a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 20:46 bvt: otoh, if system call asm packages are at the tree foundation, the api uniformity will be enforced by convetion only, and the branches will diverge right after genesis.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:41 asciilifeform: arguably v is a labour-saving device ~specifically for readers~, rather than writers, of programs -- if we were passing signed tarballs around, as we did prior to v, reader would be stuck determining exactly what changed, after manually verifying sig.
asciilifeform: i did sign a tarball fulla regrindolade last wk. but largely so folx know they get what i put in, rather than ball fulla patches + usg gnutar 0day impregnated in flight etc
asciilifeform: ( btw these are imho a luxury. i simply hate having to click 9000 links to get a tree , and assume other folx do also )
mircea_popescu: judging by how unsure all participants are as to contents, it seems evident to me it worked exactly like github program, ie "crapola glommed to end erry day and random shit changed deeper inside at impredictable intervals we might remember or not".
asciilifeform: nao i hear hypertext exists, lessee if can make less of bowel-loosening horror
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin was changed 'inside' on my watch, but seems like there were arithmetical howler at some pt, so i suppose effectively same
asciilifeform: ( record keeping dun do any good if you write down wrong num )
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, mircea_popescu do you think it'd make sense to keep books vtronically? or would it be a case of 'take the rifle to fishing'
mircea_popescu: seems to me way too much infrastructure for what's still less than a dozen accts with less than a dozen movements / interval in there. but hey, your corp, can't exactly say you don't learn from mistakes, so, if in a position to try things out this is a thing to try like many others.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:10 ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem"
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu is right, esp re 'dun have domain-restricted walker', tech aint there yet
mircea_popescu: or i suppose construction crew better example. if you issue them pickaxes, you can at the end of the day look at damage "as men with pickaxes could have produced". if you issue backhoe...
mircea_popescu: certainly well adapted to each opther, problem and solution. v is masterful at truth and accounting is all about numeric truth. so yes, in principle. but it'll take some doing, dunno if you've got the doers rightnao, and seems more pressing fires.
mircea_popescu: the way british empire intervention worked was that http://trilema.com/2010/general-sir-charles-james-napier-gcb/ got sent with some army and clear orders to not take singh ; then he takes singh ; then some "british merchants" are invented whose "interests were being protected", retroactively. then all this is published back home in the times, and then the empire croaks under the weight of trying to administer afghanistan.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 21:59 trinque: taking it the other way, now there's this process where trinque swears to whoever's ledger that asks (fee or not, doesn't matter here). this comes to signify something, trustworthiness, w/e., can go to wells fargo now and bring in this credit report to get a mortgage. now folks come churn deedbot to produce this empty signifier. later trinque is asked to you know, DETECT FRAUD, maybe with machine learning
trinque: lol, he's planning to compete with transunion! get him!
mircea_popescu: anyway, can you check against local db whether it got shenaniganed ?
mircea_popescu: the whole 23 / 25 / 29 then 59 / 19 / 31 regular tri-cycling is kinda suspicious.☟︎
trinque: I can. The box is also in singapore, not known for its perfect internet connections
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:39 asciilifeform: prolly the only biz that dun have this problem at all, is s.mg, which of oct '18 broadcast reports '8`484.51538878', i.e. capitalized until the sun burns out
a111: Logged on 2014-01-24 13:03 mircea_popescu: like sailing, exactly. you can go just fine either with or against either wind or current
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:43 mircea_popescu: a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 19:10 mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware
mircea_popescu: what portion of teh 25% drop in bitcoin value in fiat have you managed to capture as notional pizarro stock appreciation ?
mircea_popescu: and in forgotten keks, https://yahoomessenger.tumblr.com/ ("Yahoo Messenger has had an amazing run. Over its twenty years, Yahoo Messenger introduced hundreds of millions of people to the joys of just the right emoticon for the moment (aka emojis)."). this is the ~sum total of what they think they "contributed", an altogether not incorrect assumption (though "early lulzy deployment of caesar ciphers is what stands in my memor
mircea_popescu: y -- idiots had "encrypted" their logfiles by xoring the csv with your username)
asciilifeform: 'Later, in 1971, Colby, Weber and Hilf developed PARRY, another chatbot, but this time was a paranoid schizophrenic made to chat with ELIZA. So they hooked up at ARPANET (pre-Internet) and put them to chat together. ' etc
asciilifeform: PARRY: You should pay more attention. ELIZA: Suppose you should pay more attention. PARRY: You're entitled to your own opinion. ELIZA:What makes you think I am entitled to my own opinion? ..☟︎
mircea_popescu recently ran into refference to this pairing reading old trilemas.
asciilifeform: the eliza thing, in particular the behaviour of the secretute who was given a whirl at the terminal, was 1 of those 'great advance warnings' of tech, sorta like edison's electrocuted drunk
asciilifeform: and even nao that we have a 'the net' that consists to five-nines % of elizas and meat-elizas, even now one will still find the story in schoolbooks as 'great advance of ai' rather than 'great fathom of the sheer depth of meat puppet idjicy'
mircea_popescu: the funniest bit being, that the above construction is exactly what teh robohitler's notion of luxury line anti-trilema would look like.
asciilifeform: prolly a team of 200 primo java monkeys already on it
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, all the morons still buying into the "ripple" wash trade ? srlsly ? ripple is worth something, really ? even after this week ?
mircea_popescu: takes a minute to knock it in the head to match bitcoin. the relative weights are in excess of 1mn to 1, and yet some idiots somewhere still think ripple's worth more than a used car ?!
asciilifeform: is the existence of 1 such idiot a necessary hypothesis ? or could be 100% wash
mircea_popescu: happened fucking twice, what, unless i package it in lolcats it can stare right there from the graph, eliza dun see naught ?
asciilifeform: 'Покуда есть на свете дураки, / Обманом жить нам, стало быть, с руки. / Какое небо голубое, / Мы не сторонники разбоя: / На дурака не нужен нож, / Ему с три короба наврёшь - / И делай с ним, что хошь!' (tm)(r)('Приключения Буратино', classic ru kidz b00k very loosely based on
mircea_popescu: or of the "it's unfair that guy is a lord just because he read the call back when i wasn't born yet". or however you turn it, it's the same fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: how do you propose to reconcile monotone valuations with cyclical populations ?
asciilifeform: i dun have a perpetuum mobile in my pocket, 'here's how'. simply pointing out that ( as mircea_popescu wrote on his www looong before i tuned in ) 'tard with gigantic bag of dough can wreck whole planets' , and that today this role is played by usg rather than gaggle of free range forumtards
mircea_popescu: "oh woe to me, of course mp is rich, he spent a summer with bitcoin at $2" "and what were you doing late nov 2018 ?" "oh, bitcoin didn't look good anymore ; i'll be back to woe my whine once it comes back up".
mircea_popescu: even without those, there'd still have to be drops. it's just unsanitary not to.
asciilifeform: my q was whether usg has managed to re-create 'the printing press', or reasonable emulation thereof, via controlled waterfall .
mircea_popescu: and i dispute natural (and necessary) fluctuation can ~in principle~ serve as indication in that direction.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says 'natural fluctuation, aint enriching goldman sachs, they do not in fact know exactly when the year's peak and trough will be in advance' then i'ma have to believe , i dun have mata haris to send to find out
mircea_popescu: no mata haris, fine, sure. think of it in game theoretic terms, if you will ?
mircea_popescu: suppose there's two countries, A and B. suppose they have their repsective currencies, a and b. obviously through trade there's at all points going to be some b in A and some a in B.
asciilifeform: that's my whole trouble, i am thinking of it in strictly gametheoretical terms, and it currently seems to me that a sufficiently large holder can inject oscillations into the system which he can then ride.
mircea_popescu: suppose now that for whatever reason, A.dorks decided "they will know in advance" "when a/b ratio is high and when a/b is low.
mircea_popescu: so at the coming time, they declare they shall trade a for b at the specified ratio. and B had a bumper crop, and so B buys a lotta a.
mircea_popescu: do you see how the only outcome of this is B expanding its borders into A ?
mircea_popescu: whole point of "bumper crop" is that A.dorks arbitrary value for a is divergent from market value of a. nothing more than that.
mircea_popescu: and this is a necessary premise of your theory, so i'm not introducing anything here.
asciilifeform: my picture was slightly different tho : consider how you can break a pane of glass with a few joules , that normally would not even be felt on other side, if pumped into it with minimal impedance mismatch (i.e. on resonant phase). as in the famous opera singer trick.
mircea_popescu: for the ~same money you could say "bitcoin is realligning to its true value driven by systematic failure of tmsr.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, but that requires a few joules kinetic and a few terrabytes gnoseologic. as in your quote with "needed dollar to turn screw and million to know whcih one"
asciilifeform: if 'a' and 'b' are in a 'trench warfare' situation where neither has decisive advantage and can slaughter the other, their interaction will form dynamic system, and oscillate ( as the wolf and the hare taught in diff eq kindergarten )
mircea_popescu: "singing" in this manner isn't nearly trivial, which is why say dogs don't do it. dogs do all sorts of things, but understanding glass as a system to the degree needed here is rather tall a fence.
asciilifeform: ( and no, i dun have a cure to offer if indeed it is so, it seems to come with thermodynamics and any proposed 'cure' is likely to kill the eater like qin shihuangdi's mercury pills killed him )
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, there's both practical and theoretical views trhat are both more parcimonious and do not need it.
mircea_popescu: what ~did~ you expect bitcoin/usd will do, if we're retreating on foundation, still not solved pizarro market communication a full year later, etcetera ?
asciilifeform: ( although, physical-object engineering does offer a ~treatment~, if not cure -- when folx build bridges, they put in dampeners so the thing has a shot at dumping energy even if ends up 'pumped' )
mircea_popescu: it's the currency of the republic, you're so surprises it follows the flow and ebb of the very republic in question ?☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if this is how it worx, then evidently it's 2pi radian out of phase ( i.e. peak was when republic was at its lowest )
asciilifeform doesn't dispute mircea_popescu's model, as such, but would be surprised if propagation were instantaneous
mircea_popescu: certainly not instantaneous. for that matter, no propagation is proven at all or anything. but rather than "mysterious alien forces", how about you know... "in 2017 we hadn't started building a house which meanwhile we did build, leaky roof y compris"
mircea_popescu: do you think less of the man with no shed, or the man with the leaky roof shed ?
mircea_popescu: this for the practical. the theoretical still stands as well : bitcoin valuation in any other currency will fluctuate, because new cunts come out of the skirts every day and they have to be sorted somehow.
asciilifeform: ( BingoBoingo : you do recall that yer the pizarro.fuhrer nao ! how are we doing re sealing that roof ?? )
asciilifeform: can kek, but asciilifeform is not a strategist, but only master of proviant, as it currently stands, and would be dangerously out of his depth if were to 'hey BingoBoingo, let's x , y, and z '
mircea_popescu: in deeply unrelated lulz, "masochisticslut1 22F sub 8m 1. stop sending the same message to multiple girls. youre being blasted on social media by someone else." << can you believe this shit, whereby "social media" is so opaque, this "blasting" can actually NOT BE FOUND, i mean at all, even if specifically looking for it ?
asciilifeform: ( if BingoBoingo determines 'we need 4 dulap-class boxes by feb', asciilifeform will obtain, fly'em in, etc )
mircea_popescu: i'm actually curious if anyone manages to find it. because i dun see it, and i got fucking telescopes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly ref to that reddit chix ?
mircea_popescu: no, basically what's going on is that "EVERYONE!!! has read this vice article me and two other girls read (of which one wrote it)". there's this expectation of exposure that is entirely unsustained in practice.
mircea_popescu: i tend to diagnose this by simple measures such as "well, i published x and y, and then 0.k% of sample is aware of both x and y" sorta thing. vast majority of "linkiedin contacts" of miss piggy have yet to see miss piggy article, vast majority of other side have yet to conceptualize "oh, what do you mean OUT IN THE OPEN", and then there's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873320 stuff, with all the pics sitting right the fuc☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 17:14 bullcosby: mircea_popescu: any more pics of her?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 17:48 asciilifeform: in 1966! already known! that secretute at terminal means , inescapably as lead poisoning , 'net of elizas'
mircea_popescu: you want "magical goldman sachs" to "resonant frequency" a system of the complexity of tmsr ; and then these people go hiring, and the hiring pool has SERIOUS TROUBLE going past banal "oh, would any girl do that keks"
mircea_popescu: literally, lacking the intellectual sophistication to a) put together items GIVEN TOGETHER ; or else b) realise their tools are broken to this degree.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only speak what of what i personally witnessed , but presently in the 'software' arm of reich you gotta march in half a regiment or moar, to hire 1 platoon of folx who can 'hello world'
asciilifeform: ( this being said, there ~is~ a population of folx who were built before 'soul warehouse ran out of souls' and they're working ~somewhere~ )
mircea_popescu: how ? how is this miracle supposed to occur ? random girl that lacks the werewithal to skip past "oh, how would any girl do that" into the "wow, apparently this guy actually has had this occur before ?", by the act of being hired by who ? goldman sachs ? magically becomes so finely intelligent she can somehow distil things i don't see into effectual "oscillators" ?! then how the fuck did things like http://trilema.com/2012/la
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but the problem here isn't even "write software", which even ALLOWS for something like an ooda coupling. the idea here is to somehow magic trends and events, splice them together into resonant actionables ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they work until replaced. they're not "kept working" anymore than the earth's "kept rotating". guess what -- once it stops rotating there'll be a new set of gnats and motes. there's no "keeping", "fixing" etc.
asciilifeform: there's a reason i picked traffic light as example -- yes you can buy replacement parts from chinese, but to keep traffic actually moving requires at least 1 d00d in a cellar somewhere with an elementary understanding of impedance , graduated from diff eq kindergarten, etc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if BingoBoingo determines 'we need 4 dulap-class boxes by feb', asciilifeform will obtain, fly'em in, etc ) << I suspect more hardware is part of the solution. The Mocky mission to Qatar was a disappointment in the orc non-responsiveness.
mircea_popescu: i am willing to swear no traffic systems work as intended in any orcistan.
mircea_popescu: they certainly ~never~ so worked in romania, to the point of notoriety.
asciilifeform: incidentally where in ro does one have to go to see gridlock ? i did not see in either timis or bucharest
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i am willing to swear no traffic systems work as intended in any orcistan. << Walking back from the place where rent is paid, there was ancient looking sad bus with police escort. Another U-17 female soccer team. First bus I have seen with police escort.
asciilifeform: lotsa rusting junk piles on kerbs, yes; but no gridlocks
mircea_popescu: i dunno, haven't been in a long time. was never much of a problem historically, but then again back then only cool people had cars anyway
BingoBoingo: The boys play volleyball on the beach here :(
mircea_popescu: right, cuz femorons gotta sit in the basement and listen to mommy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of which, local uni fishwrap ( of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857886 'fame' ) is all on fire with whine re trump, supposedly, threatening to enforce 'frat d00dz accused of 'rape' must get to cross-examine accuser' as condition of the usg funding of nobody-wants-to-watch gurl sports (apparently they're 100% usg-sponsored)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 00:02 asciilifeform: i recently got hold of local uni's 'student newspaper', it apparently consists ~100% by weight nao of 'police report : someone wrote 'nigger' on a whiteboard' .
asciilifeform: ( currently it's, as i understand, sumthing like lenin's 'troikas' of 1918 )
mircea_popescu: anyway, now there's possibly the ~upper limit~ of usgistani resonance.
mircea_popescu: play the sports femtards vs the sitting femtards, that's something.
BingoBoingo: Anyways they have basketball here, but it plays second fiddle to soccer because no tall afrodescendientes here
mircea_popescu: basketball even ok girl sport. gotta make the bitches jump, what's so hard about the concept ? it's the ass, stupid.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I finally saw proper gridlock last year on the outskirts of Bucharest because 1. former village is now colony of office drones so gotta get to/from work at same time 2. "road" was still former village ulita pretty much 3. they were also ..."working" aka half of it was blocked anyway
a111: Logged on 2018-11-17 00:28 BingoBoingo: In other news, apparently the U17 Female world cup is in town and the Españolas shop at Tienda Inglesa
a111: Logged on 2018-11-17 18:55 BingoBoingo: In other news, I am pretty sure I saw the U-17 North Korean team in the Shopping today
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Spanish girl athletes were odd. Ass deficient and giant calves
asciilifeform: diana_coman: here, too, they tend to have it around clusters of 'worker' (office plankton) anthills , esp. the kind with underground garages and lengthy queues to get in/out
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, even in commie time, they had more sense than this latino same hour idiocy. i distinctly recall various large factory bosses in cluj agreeing how to interleave their hours so as to not jampack the conveyances
BingoBoingo: Maybe he wasn't used to the hookers being as coy as they are here? He never got specific
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun recall, didja ever detail how hookers work in BingoBoingostan ? ( when i was in buenos aires, there were paper spams plastered over erry surface , dumpsters, gates, etc. with ads for supposed hooker . but in BingoBoingo did not notice any such thing )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In BingoBoingostan they hang out at the bus stops and the Whiskerias. They also have a few competing online ad deals trying to be the PedidosYa of hooking
asciilifeform cannot help but picture a 'whiskeria' as 1 of those cafes where you rent cats by the hour...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo so next time ask! << Short fat socially awkward african from Sudan, at the time I figured he didn't have social captial outside of whatever feifdom his father carved
diana_coman: fwiw re trinque's troubles with singapore vm - I never had trouble so far with connection or anything else from Singapore though mine is not virtual anything
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'virtual' host is a server like public toilet stall is a flat
trinque: the idiots got back to me and said "hypervisor was misconfigured". I bet it was!
trinque: asciilifeform: eh, give me stable management of pizarro how bout, and I'll sit down more firmly on the chair
trinque: for now I'm using the ability to rapidly redeploy this thing (and hosting the most important parts elsewhere) to deal with the shitty landscape
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun have any complaints about the firmness of sitters in the chair. even an indestructible , firmly in-the-black pizarro dun mean that 'put ALL boxes in 1 rack' is good idea, imho