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trinque still accumulates when the weather's nice
BingoBoingo: In local news: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/-por-que-alan-garcia-eligio-a-uruguay-para-solicitar-el-asilo--20181119131633
BingoBoingo: Also a local news story with a moral "Don't stick your dick in dry old bags kids": https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-menor-fue-apunalado-en-su-cuello-por-su-amante-una-mujer-de-50-anos-20181119155554
mircea_popescu: o look at deese logs!
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2018/11/forkcoin-that-split-from-bitcoin-now-struck-by-contentious-hardfork/#comment-120500 << srsly the usg tards are pushing that wright imbecile as their spearhead ? what, nobody thinking left in the "think" fishtanks ?! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873621 << ohohoh check it out, he translated it & made reference point. NICE! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 18:49 lobbes enjoyed >> http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/073-prikoke.html
mircea_popescu: anyway, mefi because "mefiance" not mephistopheles.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873632 << i confess i entirely dun understand what you think a vtree is/does. none of your statements seem to be either relevant or correct, which... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 20:46 bvt: otoh, if system call asm packages are at the tree foundation, the api uniformity will be enforced by convetion only, and the branches will diverge right after genesis.
asciilifeform: wb mircea_popescu !
mircea_popescu: why ty!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873669 << why, could just patch the others. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:24 asciilifeform: ( and if you extend on one such, and want to propagate into the others, then must regrind -- but strictly the piece in question )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873675 << hey, not like you're not still doing it :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:41 asciilifeform: arguably v is a labour-saving device ~specifically for readers~, rather than writers, of programs -- if we were passing signed tarballs around, as we did prior to v, reader would be stuck determining exactly what changed, after manually verifying sig.
asciilifeform: i did sign a tarball fulla regrindolade last wk. but largely so folx know they get what i put in, rather than ball fulla patches + usg gnutar 0day impregnated in flight etc
asciilifeform: ( btw these are imho a luxury. i simply hate having to click 9000 links to get a tree , and assume other folx do also )
mircea_popescu: i mena http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871429 ye dorks! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 06:36 BingoBoingo: Kinda why I'm excited about breaking down and killing the legacy notes file
asciilifeform: aa that was much worse
mircea_popescu: tarball passed back and forth, nobody even knows what changed, gotta diff, it has all the blessings you describe.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plz lemme know btw if you need any inout from asciilifeform to clean those ughstables
mircea_popescu: you did this. /smh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was linear tape of changes.
asciilifeform: i.e. crapola glommed to end erry day.
mircea_popescu: at least most of the time.
mircea_popescu: judging by how unsure all participants are as to contents, it seems evident to me it worked exactly like github program, ie "crapola glommed to end erry day and random shit changed deeper inside at impredictable intervals we might remember or not".
asciilifeform: nao i hear hypertext exists, lessee if can make less of bowel-loosening horror
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin was changed 'inside' on my watch, but seems like there were arithmetical howler at some pt, so i suppose effectively same
asciilifeform: ( record keeping dun do any good if you write down wrong num )
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, mircea_popescu do you think it'd make sense to keep books vtronically? or would it be a case of 'take the rifle to fishing'
mircea_popescu: seems to me way too much infrastructure for what's still less than a dozen accts with less than a dozen movements / interval in there. but hey, your corp, can't exactly say you don't learn from mistakes, so, if in a position to try things out this is a thing to try like many others.
asciilifeform: point was not 'it's too big'
asciilifeform: but that vtronic record would make certain classes of ugh, impossible
asciilifeform: whether the item being recorded is elephant or mouse size
mircea_popescu: yeah, but because large machinery and no proper domain-restricted walkatrons available, it'd make new classes of ugh available.
asciilifeform: also tru
mircea_popescu: kinda the logic informing my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871164 : if you give policeman gun, you now have set of problems resulting from policeman-gun interaction. if you do not give, you do not have. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:10 ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem"
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu is right, esp re 'dun have domain-restricted walker', tech aint there yet
mircea_popescu: or i suppose construction crew better example. if you issue them pickaxes, you can at the end of the day look at damage "as men with pickaxes could have produced". if you issue backhoe...
asciilifeform: but imho a vtronic acct system would rock
mircea_popescu: certainly well adapted to each opther, problem and solution. v is masterful at truth and accounting is all about numeric truth. so yes, in principle. but it'll take some doing, dunno if you've got the doers rightnao, and seems more pressing fires.
asciilifeform: yea
asciilifeform: on both pts
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873704 << hue, sub 5k! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:22 trinque croaks cheeeeeap coiiiins
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873714 << that'd be partricularly cool, considering it is a... virtual reality producer ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:43 asciilifeform: maybe in the end entire planet will end up as vertically-integrated suppliers for s.mg...
mircea_popescu: drop-in replacement for teh dmc ?
asciilifeform: i hear it bakes some pretty good virtualities , heh
asciilifeform dun presently have time, sadly , to play mud, but if lives to see peacetime would much rather play mircea_popescu's than anybody's
mircea_popescu: that's nice :)
asciilifeform went as far as building a new box, with 3d card etc, to 'i'ma finally play that thing', then... realized he gotta write a numeric lib
asciilifeform: laugh, i ended up giving it to my brother, now it runs neuralnetwork thing for go game move-tree variants, 'what if played x' etc
asciilifeform: ( apparently game did not die under the thrust of alphagoism, but mutated into a kind of motor sport )
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-20#1873721 << ha , here i was thinking that d00d were finally in australian jail.. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 02:12 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2018/11/forkcoin-that-split-from-bitcoin-now-struck-by-contentious-hardfork/#comment-120500 << srsly the usg tards are pushing that wright imbecile as their spearhead ? what, nobody thinking left in the "think" fishtanks ?!
asciilifeform: apparently recycled back into circulation from lack of what else to do ?
asciilifeform: trinque: is deedbot box under artillery fire or wat
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, it's pretty fucking lulzy though. i mean, there's a long list of these defeateds by "fate", but he's one of the most hysterically humiliated humbugs. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 2nd only to gavin, possibly
mircea_popescu: then again, the menagerie's pretty well stocked... recall the gay for pay tard with delusions of oligarchy ? or those two wrestler morons, 100% retired boxer encephalopathy ?
asciilifeform: last i heard those were still 'in biz'
asciilifeform admits, doesn't follow subj in realtime
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: iirc those boxers were some hybrid of scammer and scammee , they sank whatever $maxint into goxolade
mircea_popescu: i'm personally waiting for the return of the meni rosenfeld / jonathan ryan owens lulzpair. bitdaytrade, segwit, cash-whatever... what the fuck's the difference.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'their' coinz are 'theirs' while 'they agree' to further reich interest
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense of what, after usg took overt the piggy it declared some clients as principal victims ?
mircea_popescu: sank my ass.
asciilifeform: i dun know the specifics; supposing simply that retired boxer aint gonna run a node. therefore goxism.
asciilifeform brb,foods
mircea_popescu: the way british empire intervention worked was that http://trilema.com/2010/general-sir-charles-james-napier-gcb/ got sent with some army and clear orders to not take singh ; then he takes singh ; then some "british merchants" are invented whose "interests were being protected", retroactively. then all this is published back home in the times, and then the empire croaks under the weight of trying to administer afghanistan.
mircea_popescu: 4 stroke engine.
mircea_popescu: aaand in today's lulz... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Vecine...+nu-nteleg%2C+straine...+nu-nteleg+ce+aveti+cu+mine...&t=ffsb&ia=web
mircea_popescu: suffices it for trilema to quote a verse, be it howsoever famous or popular...
BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YSdg7/?raw=true << In local finds, cultural collision
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will let you know
BingoBoingo: Further downthread http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ElDFJ/?raw=true "Caballos muertos jajajaa la mierdaaa"
trinque: asciilifeform: "disconnected by services" would appear to be freenode doing it
trinque: hm nah, box has been up for 32 minutes. this is dc fuckery.
mircea_popescu: heh. did you get new hdds lol
mircea_popescu: in preparation of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873533 progress!! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 21:59 trinque: taking it the other way, now there's this process where trinque swears to whoever's ledger that asks (fee or not, doesn't matter here). this comes to signify something, trustworthiness, w/e., can go to wells fargo now and bring in this credit report to get a mortgage. now folks come churn deedbot to produce this empty signifier. later trinque is asked to you know, DETECT FRAUD, maybe with machine learning
trinque: lol, he's planning to compete with transunion! get him!
mircea_popescu: anyway, can you check against local db whether it got shenaniganed ?
mircea_popescu: the whole 23 / 25 / 29 then 59 / 19 / 31 regular tri-cycling is kinda suspicious. ☟︎
trinque: I can. The box is also in singapore, not known for its perfect internet connections
trinque: christ, wtf
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873712 << but neveryoumind that. the drop in bitcoin is where pizarro shines, right ? because in between http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-24#457609 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825184 on one hand and wisely deploying http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445680 and so on has resulted in significant bitcoin appreciation of pizarro stock, right ? ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:39 asciilifeform: prolly the only biz that dun have this problem at all, is s.mg, which of oct '18 broadcast reports '8`484.51538878', i.e. capitalized until the sun burns out
a111: Logged on 2014-01-24 13:03 mircea_popescu: like sailing, exactly. you can go just fine either with or against either wind or current
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:43 mircea_popescu: a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 19:10 mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware
mircea_popescu: what portion of teh 25% drop in bitcoin value in fiat have you managed to capture as notional pizarro stock appreciation ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in enduring lulz, http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/posts/JavaScript-Rounding.html
mircea_popescu: and in forgotten keks, https://yahoomessenger.tumblr.com/ ("Yahoo Messenger has had an amazing run. Over its twenty years, Yahoo Messenger introduced hundreds of millions of people to the joys of just the right emoticon for the moment (aka emojis)."). this is the ~sum total of what they think they "contributed", an altogether not incorrect assumption (though "early lulzy deployment of caesar ciphers is what stands in my memor
mircea_popescu: y -- idiots had "encrypted" their logfiles by xoring the csv with your username)
mircea_popescu: (in similar lulz, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pnic1/?raw=true )
asciilifeform: 'yahoo' still exists ?!
trinque: aaand fighting with the DC about wtf is going on with the deedbot machine.
trinque: looks like the migration to pizarro happens tonight for the bot.
asciilifeform: trinque: 7 power fails in 5 minutes, or what was it
trinque: haven't a damned at the present. I'm just going to redeploy the thing clean elsewhere.
asciilifeform looks on dulap-III, 'up 210 days' -- i.e. ever since i taught BingoBoingo how to not elbow the mains plug
asciilifeform: net 0 of unscheduled mains failures, outside of that day, is 0 so far.
asciilifeform: *net #
asciilifeform: trinque: funnily enuff , i was ~just about~ to buy a 'it is tempting fate to put ERRYTHING in 1 rack' box in singapore !
asciilifeform: now somehow appetite's gone away
mircea_popescu: trinque keks "they don't know" eh ?
mircea_popescu: can definitely count as "secret supoena" bs, by my lights. what dc was it ?
trinque: this is a piece of shit vps on a service called vultr. the thing was being used as little more than a web-toilet which other services elsewhere use.
trinque: looks more like their backup service doesn't work and has been trying and failing to backup the box for about a day
trinque: but who can say. maybe agent dickweed thought he got one in.
asciilifeform: vps ha. so dun even make sense to think 'power fail' etc
mircea_popescu: trinque wouldn't that be more regular than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-20#1873806 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 05:04 mircea_popescu: the whole 23 / 25 / 29 then 59 / 19 / 31 regular tri-cycling is kinda suspicious.
asciilifeform: given as it was vps, dollars to doughnuts 'agent dickweed' was trying out a standard xyzbleed-powered vm escape, and hosed buncha processes, incl. trinque's
asciilifeform: ( there's what, 5? 6? of'em published nao ? that work on all x86 iron )
asciilifeform: i've lost count tbh
mircea_popescu: aha. and then "fixed" and then "reverted" and then a few hours later "tried again".
asciilifeform: either him 'restarted' or the robot
mircea_popescu: kinda as signature-y as the dum-dudum sound of trained shooter with ak-47
asciilifeform: the 23 / 25 ... etc is prolly simply how long it happened to take for the thing to restart
mircea_popescu: i don't follow ?
asciilifeform: the down-times
asciilifeform: ( did i misread , or weren't those dead times in sec. )
mircea_popescu: minutes ; and the timing not so strictly relevant. clusters of 3 reboots hours apart seem suspicious to me, is what i said.
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: ok makes sense
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the #girlscode farms, LordMPofTMSR 3w "Not even kidding." LonelyBunneh 1h "Hi" LordMPofTMSR 6m "Aha ?" LonelyBunneh 5m "What" LordMPofTMSR 2m "Idiot."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds like yer bot just possibly ran into ~second~ bot 'of opposite sex'
mircea_popescu: dunnit tho.
asciilifeform: tbf a buncha them sound just like.
mircea_popescu: !#s college debt
a111: 48 results for "college debt", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=college%20debt
asciilifeform: seems like good % of that site's inhabitants fail turing test
mircea_popescu: that shouldn't prevent #fetgirlscode!!!
asciilifeform: #girlsthatarecode
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/ !!!
asciilifeform: them.
asciilifeform tries to picture bot an intelligent mircea_popescu-seeking fetgurl might write, to search for mircea_popescus
asciilifeform: !#s parry eliza
a111: 8 results for "parry eliza", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=parry%20eliza
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-04#546335 << subj >> https://archive.is/JYvP6 for posterity ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-03-04 23:44 asciilifeform: http://www.computableminds.com/post/chatbot/eliza/parry/skynet/human-language/natural-language
asciilifeform: 'Later, in 1971, Colby, Weber and Hilf developed PARRY, another chatbot, but this time was a paranoid schizophrenic made to chat with ELIZA. So they hooked up at ARPANET (pre-Internet) and put them to chat together. ' etc
asciilifeform: PARRY: You should pay more attention. ELIZA: Suppose you should pay more attention. PARRY: You're entitled to your own opinion. ELIZA:What makes you think I am entitled to my own opinion? .. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: those were the days
mircea_popescu recently ran into refference to this pairing reading old trilemas.
asciilifeform: the eliza thing, in particular the behaviour of the secretute who was given a whirl at the terminal, was 1 of those 'great advance warnings' of tech, sorta like edison's electrocuted drunk
asciilifeform: ( but nobody ever heeds warning )
asciilifeform: and even nao that we have a 'the net' that consists to five-nines % of elizas and meat-elizas, even now one will still find the story in schoolbooks as 'great advance of ai' rather than 'great fathom of the sheer depth of meat puppet idjicy'
mircea_popescu: well...
asciilifeform: 1966 !!
mircea_popescu: "think positive" yes.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/think-positive-si-mori-de-foame/
asciilifeform: in 1966! already known! that secretute at terminal means , inescapably as lead poisoning , 'net of elizas' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but http://trilema.com/2016/sensitivity-human-rights-democracy/ !!!
mircea_popescu: i shall now carry the entirety of this conversation in trilema titles.
asciilifeform: lolbot-rights.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
mircea_popescu: just because they're stupid doesn't mean they're not some mother's children too!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect one prolly ~could~ carry on a lengthy thread sewn strictly from trilema titles.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then why blame them for trying! :D
asciilifeform: iirc i suggested this lul yrs prior, but would be hilarious if there were a parallel #trilema consisting simply of bots, 1 for each of us, fed with corpus of log lines + shannonizer
asciilifeform: ( n00bs would perhaps be sent there, and only those who graduate given to know of the actual #trilema ... )
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the funniest bit being, that the above construction is exactly what teh robohitler's notion of luxury line anti-trilema would look like.
asciilifeform: prolly a team of 200 primo java monkeys already on it
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, all the morons still buying into the "ripple" wash trade ? srlsly ? ripple is worth something, really ? even after this week ?
mircea_popescu: takes a minute to knock it in the head to match bitcoin. the relative weights are in excess of 1mn to 1, and yet some idiots somewhere still think ripple's worth more than a used car ?!
asciilifeform: is the existence of 1 such idiot a necessary hypothesis ? or could be 100% wash
mircea_popescu: happened fucking twice, what, unless i package it in lolcats it can stare right there from the graph, eliza dun see naught ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could be , i suppose.
asciilifeform: the 1 probe i can think of would be to try selling a bit of it an' see if it's bought; but i haven't any idea why to bother ( and would have to get some to sell in the 1st place )
asciilifeform: ( recall the bt'cash' experiment... )
mircea_popescu: oh, it's bought alright. thence the above discussions of weights.
mircea_popescu: but it's bought with what, haliburton's lost palet of "valuable us currency" ?
asciilifeform: prolly 'lazy-evaluated', if mircea_popescu were to show up with a train load , they'll print with what to buy
asciilifeform: at least the 'monero' crackpot folx have some nominal chump lure ( the ring signature song an' dance ) . but 'ripple' i have genuinely nfi who would deal in, other than eliza
asciilifeform: and for what.
mircea_popescu: for what. for http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#selection-121.187-121.355
mircea_popescu: self-proclaimed "independent minds"/fuckwads GOTTA be hurt. that's what their life is about and for, "options". can't simply submit and worship bitcoin cock.
asciilifeform: ah is this the 'we want Just Like Btc but Magically Nonvolatile' people ?
asciilifeform: which particular barb of the cock are they trying to weasel away from
mircea_popescu: by now it's mostly a sort of "dao without mp's splooge up ass" "but dorks... it has it on the face." "only asshole counts now!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's kinda difficult / far from trivial to put clucker "thought" into human language.
asciilifeform: my (admittedly nonexpert, i dun have a stable of mata haris to actually infiltrate the fuhrerbunker) model , is that reich has exactly 3 ways of getting hands on coin : 1 ) to mine ( not working so well, on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872801 ) ; 2) to whack somebody over the head an' take their keyz. also not doing so hot, e.g. http://qntra.net/2018/11/usms-lists-approximately-660-bitcoins-for-sale/ ; 3 ) to con idjits ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 14:31 mircea_popescu: for as long as only slanty eyes has horses, all horse races however drafted will have their fucking horses winning.
asciilifeform: who somehow still have btc, into trading it for shitcoins. this last one seems to be the current flagship algo. working, as i understand, surprisingly well, monerism, etc
mircea_popescu: hey, a thousand or two is exactly what usg should have, based on its situation in the world, truthful general importance and so on.
mircea_popescu: so it works out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 / http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/ , cluckers -- go to soup, in all times an' places, but while there are cluckers , farmer eats well
asciilifeform: 'Покуда есть на свете дураки, / Обманом жить нам, стало быть, с руки. / Какое небо голубое, / Мы не сторонники разбоя: / На дурака не нужен нож, / Ему с три короба наврёшь - / И делай с ним, что хошь!' (tm)(r)('Приключения Буратино', classic ru kidz b00k very loosely based on
asciilifeform: 'pinocchio')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatever happend to 'they belong in the lime pit' . why 'thousand or two', their correct share is imho 0
mircea_popescu: well are we discussing present or future ?
asciilifeform: future, i gather
mircea_popescu: i was discussing present.
asciilifeform: future is function of the present tho
mircea_popescu: and the bitcoin present value of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872899 & periphenalia is about there. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 16:41 mircea_popescu: empire is selling orcs the impression "they're in on a secret"
mircea_popescu: going by http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871541 : is this also known, in "russian from odessa" bestiary, the thing where teenaged girl looking to mate "wants to tell you a secret" ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 16:45 asciilifeform: we're from neighbouring, if you will, home planets.
asciilifeform: i guess
asciilifeform: evidently their extraction engine ~does~ work, or waterfall would have long ago dried ☟︎
mircea_popescu: how do you say "vreau sa-ti spun ceva" in teh russky ?
asciilifeform: скажу вам кое-что ?
mircea_popescu: does it carry teh burning of girly lips, "return to the blue lagoon" style ?
asciilifeform: or i suppose in anglostan, 'pssst'
asciilifeform: prolly closest'd be 'скажу по-секрету...'
asciilifeform: the imho misfortunate bit, is that for so long as they can http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782156 the waterfall, they actually ~have~ what to 'pssst, tell ya a valuable seekrit' to favoured orcs ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 18:46 BingoBoingo: Well, they gotta let the price run up again before they waterfall for increasingly disappointing crashes a couple more times at least.
asciilifeform: i.e. they share some % of the turbine's output with the folx who help'em refill
mircea_popescu: hey, venerable sexuate reproduction worked well for all these years. every fifteen year old has a "secret" to share that's as unsecret as unsecrets can ever be.
mircea_popescu: "creativity", rite.
asciilifeform: soo the fact that btc/usd would fall 3.5x from dec '17 to today, was not seekrit ?! or contention is that it wasn't product or waterfall ..? which ?
asciilifeform: *of
mircea_popescu: consider for a moment bitcoin valuation in fiat was a monotone function.
asciilifeform duly considers
mircea_popescu: now, consider that the ~only problem of human society is the resolution of the http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811 dispute ; or if you prefer the "this is old and therfore good / this is new and therefore better" dilemma.
mircea_popescu: or of the "it's unfair that guy is a lord just because he read the call back when i wasn't born yet". or however you turn it, it's the same fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: how do you propose to reconcile monotone valuations with cyclical populations ?
asciilifeform: i dun have a perpetuum mobile in my pocket, 'here's how'. simply pointing out that ( as mircea_popescu wrote on his www looong before i tuned in ) 'tard with gigantic bag of dough can wreck whole planets' , and that today this role is played by usg rather than gaggle of free range forumtards
mircea_popescu: "oh woe to me, of course mp is rich, he spent a summer with bitcoin at $2" "and what were you doing late nov 2018 ?" "oh, bitcoin didn't look good anymore ; i'll be back to woe my whine once it comes back up".
mircea_popescu: even without those, there'd still have to be drops. it's just unsanitary not to.
mircea_popescu: the equivalent would be a forum in which the shinohais, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873354 shined forever. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 17:25 echelon: nanotube and theymos?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: given as you read my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 ( and then invited asciilifeform to party consequently ) you prolly know that asciilifeform is not fixated on magic 'fair'
mircea_popescu: in fact, one of the principal signals of a dead (ie, divorced from reality) monetary system is...
asciilifeform: ... physically-implausible stability, sure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the question still stands. it stands ubiquitously and universally, too. your elder slavegirl brings in a maid, http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/ style. what now ? who's on top and when and why and so on.
asciilifeform: my q was whether usg has managed to re-create 'the printing press', or reasonable emulation thereof, via controlled waterfall .
mircea_popescu: and i dispute natural (and necessary) fluctuation can ~in principle~ serve as indication in that direction.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says 'natural fluctuation, aint enriching goldman sachs, they do not in fact know exactly when the year's peak and trough will be in advance' then i'ma have to believe , i dun have mata haris to send to find out
mircea_popescu: no mata haris, fine, sure. think of it in game theoretic terms, if you will ?
mircea_popescu: suppose there's two countries, A and B. suppose they have their repsective currencies, a and b. obviously through trade there's at all points going to be some b in A and some a in B.
asciilifeform: that's my whole trouble, i am thinking of it in strictly gametheoretical terms, and it currently seems to me that a sufficiently large holder can inject oscillations into the system which he can then ride.
mircea_popescu: suppose now that for whatever reason, A.dorks decided "they will know in advance" "when a/b ratio is high and when a/b is low.
mircea_popescu: so at the coming time, they declare they shall trade a for b at the specified ratio. and B had a bumper crop, and so B buys a lotta a.
mircea_popescu: do you see how the only outcome of this is B expanding its borders into A ?
asciilifeform: sure
asciilifeform: which element of observed system corresponds to 'bumper crop' of the model ?
mircea_popescu: say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845236 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 17:22 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-butthurt-china-wont-share-samples-of-h7n9-flu-virus/ << Qntra - USG Butthurt China Won't Share Samples Of H7N9 Flu Virus
mircea_popescu: or say http://qntra.net/2018/11/pantsuit-lolsuit-against-russia-stumped-by-sovereign-immunity/
mircea_popescu: or whatever random real event.
mircea_popescu: whole point of "bumper crop" is that A.dorks arbitrary value for a is divergent from market value of a. nothing more than that.
mircea_popescu: and this is a necessary premise of your theory, so i'm not introducing anything here.
asciilifeform: my picture was slightly different tho : consider how you can break a pane of glass with a few joules , that normally would not even be felt on other side, if pumped into it with minimal impedance mismatch (i.e. on resonant phase). as in the famous opera singer trick.
mircea_popescu: for the ~same money you could say "bitcoin is realligning to its true value driven by systematic failure of tmsr.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, but that requires a few joules kinetic and a few terrabytes gnoseologic. as in your quote with "needed dollar to turn screw and million to know whcih one"
asciilifeform: if 'a' and 'b' are in a 'trench warfare' situation where neither has decisive advantage and can slaughter the other, their interaction will form dynamic system, and oscillate ( as the wolf and the hare taught in diff eq kindergarten )
mircea_popescu: yes, certainly.
asciilifeform: my q was , whether btc/orcbux have formed such a system; and if so, whether sumbody's 'singing' into it
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem the case to me, but hey.
mircea_popescu: "singing" in this manner isn't nearly trivial, which is why say dogs don't do it. dogs do all sorts of things, but understanding glass as a system to the degree needed here is rather tall a fence.
asciilifeform: ( and no, i dun have a cure to offer if indeed it is so, it seems to come with thermodynamics and any proposed 'cure' is likely to kill the eater like qin shihuangdi's mercury pills killed him )
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, there's both practical and theoretical views trhat are both more parcimonious and do not need it.
mircea_popescu: what ~did~ you expect bitcoin/usd will do, if we're retreating on foundation, still not solved pizarro market communication a full year later, etcetera ?
asciilifeform: ( although, physical-object engineering does offer a ~treatment~, if not cure -- when folx build bridges, they put in dampeners so the thing has a shot at dumping energy even if ends up 'pumped' )
mircea_popescu: it's the currency of the republic, you're so surprises it follows the flow and ebb of the very republic in question ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if this is how it worx, then evidently it's 2pi radian out of phase ( i.e. peak was when republic was at its lowest )
mircea_popescu: it was ?!
asciilifeform: when we had smoking crater instead of isp etc
mircea_popescu: what was so bad in dec 2017 ?
asciilifeform: had no rack, neh
mircea_popescu: also didn't look like a bunch of inept dorks.
asciilifeform doesn't dispute mircea_popescu's model, as such, but would be surprised if propagation were instantaneous
mircea_popescu: certainly not instantaneous. for that matter, no propagation is proven at all or anything. but rather than "mysterious alien forces", how about you know... "in 2017 we hadn't started building a house which meanwhile we did build, leaky roof y compris"
mircea_popescu: do you think less of the man with no shed, or the man with the leaky roof shed ?
asciilifeform: yea makes sense
mircea_popescu: this for the practical. the theoretical still stands as well : bitcoin valuation in any other currency will fluctuate, because new cunts come out of the skirts every day and they have to be sorted somehow.
asciilifeform: ( BingoBoingo : you do recall that yer the pizarro.fuhrer nao ! how are we doing re sealing that roof ?? )
mircea_popescu: kek
asciilifeform: can kek, but asciilifeform is not a strategist, but only master of proviant, as it currently stands, and would be dangerously out of his depth if were to 'hey BingoBoingo, let's x , y, and z '
mircea_popescu: in deeply unrelated lulz, "masochisticslut1 22F sub 8m 1. stop sending the same message to multiple girls. youre being blasted on social media by someone else." << can you believe this shit, whereby "social media" is so opaque, this "blasting" can actually NOT BE FOUND, i mean at all, even if specifically looking for it ?
asciilifeform: ( if BingoBoingo determines 'we need 4 dulap-class boxes by feb', asciilifeform will obtain, fly'em in, etc )
mircea_popescu: i'm actually curious if anyone manages to find it. because i dun see it, and i got fucking telescopes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly ref to that reddit chix ?
asciilifeform: or was that in '15
mircea_popescu: this whole "social media" thing looks a lot broken-er than anyone realises.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt 22 yo fetlife moron has the werewithal to reference anything that happened last week, let alone years ago.
asciilifeform: also good % of 'media' is only visible to whichever xyz clique of circle-jerkers ( iirc arsebook & similar, work like this )
asciilifeform: so not necessarily shows in searchtrons
mircea_popescu: no, basically what's going on is that "EVERYONE!!! has read this vice article me and two other girls read (of which one wrote it)". there's this expectation of exposure that is entirely unsustained in practice.
mircea_popescu: i tend to diagnose this by simple measures such as "well, i published x and y, and then 0.k% of sample is aware of both x and y" sorta thing. vast majority of "linkiedin contacts" of miss piggy have yet to see miss piggy article, vast majority of other side have yet to conceptualize "oh, what do you mean OUT IN THE OPEN", and then there's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873320 stuff, with all the pics sitting right the fuc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 17:14 bullcosby: mircea_popescu: any more pics of her?
mircea_popescu: k there...
asciilifeform: sorta what the heathen 'industry' specializes in, neh -- to convince erry http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-20#1873877 amoeba that she has a working microphone and 'audience' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 17:48 asciilifeform: in 1966! already known! that secretute at terminal means , inescapably as lead poisoning , 'net of elizas'
mircea_popescu: you want "magical goldman sachs" to "resonant frequency" a system of the complexity of tmsr ; and then these people go hiring, and the hiring pool has SERIOUS TROUBLE going past banal "oh, would any girl do that keks"
mircea_popescu: literally, lacking the intellectual sophistication to a) put together items GIVEN TOGETHER ; or else b) realise their tools are broken to this degree.
BingoBoingo rehydrates and catches up on logs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only speak what of what i personally witnessed , but presently in the 'software' arm of reich you gotta march in half a regiment or moar, to hire 1 platoon of folx who can 'hello world'
asciilifeform: ( this being said, there ~is~ a population of folx who were built before 'soul warehouse ran out of souls' and they're working ~somewhere~ )
mircea_popescu: how ? how is this miracle supposed to occur ? random girl that lacks the werewithal to skip past "oh, how would any girl do that" into the "wow, apparently this guy actually has had this occur before ?", by the act of being hired by who ? goldman sachs ? magically becomes so finely intelligent she can somehow distil things i don't see into effectual "oscillators" ?! then how the fuck did things like http://trilema.com/2012/la
mircea_popescu: w-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-133.0-133.102 or, for that matter, http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/#selection-109.0-125.3 ?
asciilifeform: take the slightly moar advanced in the decay , argentine monkeys. i went there , and saw that e.g. traffic lights, worked. ~somebody~ keeps'em working, neh
asciilifeform: and it aint the 'ninxxx's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but the problem here isn't even "write software", which even ALLOWS for something like an ooda coupling. the idea here is to somehow magic trends and events, splice them together into resonant actionables ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they work until replaced. they're not "kept working" anymore than the earth's "kept rotating". guess what -- once it stops rotating there'll be a new set of gnats and motes. there's no "keeping", "fixing" etc.
asciilifeform: there's a reason i picked traffic light as example -- yes you can buy replacement parts from chinese, but to keep traffic actually moving requires at least 1 d00d in a cellar somewhere with an elementary understanding of impedance , graduated from diff eq kindergarten, etc
mircea_popescu: absolutely not.
asciilifeform: you cannot buy from shanghai ~working system~, matched to the actual terrain
mircea_popescu: all it requires is argentine drivers.
mircea_popescu: "as it works -- so it was intended to work"
asciilifeform: possibly
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if BingoBoingo determines 'we need 4 dulap-class boxes by feb', asciilifeform will obtain, fly'em in, etc ) << I suspect more hardware is part of the solution. The Mocky mission to Qatar was a disappointment in the orc non-responsiveness.
asciilifeform didn't observe for long enuff to disagree/agree
mircea_popescu: i am willing to swear no traffic systems work as intended in any orcistan.
mircea_popescu: they certainly ~never~ so worked in romania, to the point of notoriety.
asciilifeform: incidentally where in ro does one have to go to see gridlock ? i did not see in either timis or bucharest
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i am willing to swear no traffic systems work as intended in any orcistan. << Walking back from the place where rent is paid, there was ancient looking sad bus with police escort. Another U-17 female soccer team. First bus I have seen with police escort.
asciilifeform: lotsa rusting junk piles on kerbs, yes; but no gridlocks
mircea_popescu: i dunno, haven't been in a long time. was never much of a problem historically, but then again back then only cool people had cars anyway
asciilifeform: right, in those times no gridlock anywhere
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, girl soccer ? what ?
asciilifeform: ( as there was not in su, outside of 'brezhnev is driving and taking up five streets' days in moscow )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Girl soccer world cup
mircea_popescu: terrible female sport wtf.
BingoBoingo: Saw Spanish team in the mall one trip, Probable North Korean team anothe
BingoBoingo: r
mircea_popescu: moar jumping. no volleyball where these ppl live ?
BingoBoingo: No
mircea_popescu: sad.
BingoBoingo: The boys play volleyball on the beach here :(
mircea_popescu: right, cuz femorons gotta sit in the basement and listen to mommy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of which, local uni fishwrap ( of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857886 'fame' ) is all on fire with whine re trump, supposedly, threatening to enforce 'frat d00dz accused of 'rape' must get to cross-examine accuser' as condition of the usg funding of nobody-wants-to-watch gurl sports (apparently they're 100% usg-sponsored) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 00:02 asciilifeform: i recently got hold of local uni's 'student newspaper', it apparently consists ~100% by weight nao of 'police report : someone wrote 'nigger' on a whiteboard' .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doh!
asciilifeform: i.e. ohnoez, they might mandate the minimal standard of jurisprudence given in 'malleus maleficarum'
mircea_popescu: hey, dreams are built of what dreams are built of.
asciilifeform: ( currently it's, as i understand, sumthing like lenin's 'troikas' of 1918 )
mircea_popescu: anyway, now there's possibly the ~upper limit~ of usgistani resonance.
mircea_popescu: play the sports femtards vs the sitting femtards, that's something.
BingoBoingo: Anyways they have basketball here, but it plays second fiddle to soccer because no tall afrodescendientes here
mircea_popescu: basketball even ok girl sport. gotta make the bitches jump, what's so hard about the concept ? it's the ass, stupid.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I finally saw proper gridlock last year on the outskirts of Bucharest because 1. former village is now colony of office drones so gotta get to/from work at same time 2. "road" was still former village ulita pretty much 3. they were also ..."working" aka half of it was blocked anyway
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-17#1873151 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-17#1873179 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-17 00:28 BingoBoingo: In other news, apparently the U17 Female world cup is in town and the Españolas shop at Tienda Inglesa
a111: Logged on 2018-11-17 18:55 BingoBoingo: In other news, I am pretty sure I saw the U-17 North Korean team in the Shopping today
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Spanish girl athletes were odd. Ass deficient and giant calves
asciilifeform: diana_coman: here, too, they tend to have it around clusters of 'worker' (office plankton) anthills , esp. the kind with underground garages and lengthy queues to get in/out
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, even in commie time, they had more sense than this latino same hour idiocy. i distinctly recall various large factory bosses in cluj agreeing how to interleave their hours so as to not jampack the conveyances
mircea_popescu: "cug starts 6:30, terapia 7:00 farmec 7:30" etc etc.
asciilifeform: bbbut phreemarket!111 how could have 2 anthills coordinating anyffing!11
mircea_popescu: cuz the guys in question sat for a drink
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, aha; and I wouldn't be surprised if clasa muncitoare resented them for it
mircea_popescu: i dunno. i actuallty dun think anyone ever asked that "clasa muncitoare" anything.
asciilifeform: ( somehow the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-12#1198305 thing is a-ok, 'unprincipled exception' or what was it called ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-12 05:19 assbot: End in sight for Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe wage-fixing lawsuit • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7gXQV )
diana_coman: sure, not asked; the point was that there was someone to coordinate/think that so it got done; now there isn't, they do what they want rite, so...it's not done
BingoBoingo: In rather convincing spam http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ISbIF/?raw=true
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! sudan is the new nigeria or wat
diana_coman: onth it makes easier to avoid the mess since it's all at one time, can't quite complain
mircea_popescu: myeah. at least the local lindora morons have the excuse that well, their "office job" being call center for us corps...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm having trouble telling if Spam (my email filter is rather convinced) or earnest solicitation
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it it's via email, and out of wot, it is definitionally spamolade
asciilifeform: == 'nigerian prince'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's spam. you can tell because it shows up on abandoned "blogs" that've meanwhile been added to the spamchurn etc.
BingoBoingo: ah
asciilifeform: folx sending 'earnest solicitation' via spammail exist on same planet as 'herbal impotence cure' etc
BingoBoingo: Still hit that fine line separating parody from reality though I have no interest in assisting "Transitional Government of National Unity (TGoNU)"
asciilifeform: 'national unity', supposing it lived , rather than work of unimaginative fiction, can reg a key and speak here like errybody else.
BingoBoingo: Back in the hostel days I did meet one fellow from Sudan, before he left he made his dislike of the Montevideo nightlife known
mircea_popescu: in what terms ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe he wasn't used to the hookers being as coy as they are here? He never got specific
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun recall, didja ever detail how hookers work in BingoBoingostan ? ( when i was in buenos aires, there were paper spams plastered over erry surface , dumpsters, gates, etc. with ads for supposed hooker . but in BingoBoingo did not notice any such thing )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so next time ask!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In BingoBoingostan they hang out at the bus stops and the Whiskerias. They also have a few competing online ad deals trying to be the PedidosYa of hooking
asciilifeform cannot help but picture a 'whiskeria' as 1 of those cafes where you rent cats by the hour...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo so next time ask! << Short fat socially awkward african from Sudan, at the time I figured he didn't have social captial outside of whatever feifdom his father carved
diana_coman: fwiw re trinque's troubles with singapore vm - I never had trouble so far with connection or anything else from Singapore though mine is not virtual anything
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'virtual' host is a server like public toilet stall is a flat
trinque: the idiots got back to me and said "hypervisor was misconfigured". I bet it was!
mircea_popescu: hypervisor was suddenly misconfigured.
trinque: asciilifeform: eh, give me stable management of pizarro how bout, and I'll sit down more firmly on the chair
trinque: for now I'm using the ability to rapidly redeploy this thing (and hosting the most important parts elsewhere) to deal with the shitty landscape
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun have any complaints about the firmness of sitters in the chair. even an indestructible , firmly in-the-black pizarro dun mean that 'put ALL boxes in 1 rack' is good idea, imho
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/tumblr-removed-from-apple-store-over-child-porn/ << Qntra - Tumblr Removed From Apple Store Over Child Porn
mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/17/smg-comms-chapter-8-keys-management/#selection-47.534-47.627 << sounds exactly like teh right move.
asciilifeform polishing off '12B'
asciilifeform realized that he's gonna need a constant-time keccak for the final chapters, dun have 1 yet