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asciilifeform: asciilifeform often points out that we have buffer overflows on acct of the iron having nfi what 'integer', 'character', 'string', 'code' are , just pushes untagged words around; but it is also the reason why we have e.g. thread deadlocks (on an iron which 'knows' when yer e.g. assigning a variable, deadlock is ~impossible)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/am-o-pula/ << Trilema -- Am o pula
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in n00b school, http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2019-2-13#461543
mircea_popescu: hey, good for you.
asciilifeform: am o pula << i automatically recalled the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486093 rhyme ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 01:18 mircea_popescu: "mult stimate ion caciula, om al muncii fara scula : cit ai degete si limba, legea tarii nu se schimba."
mircea_popescu: hehe.
mircea_popescu: in ro the expression'd be rather negative, "i got nothing". cuz "o pula" works also as universal negation, "do you have any money ?" "i got dick"
asciilifeform: it's funny , when asciilifeform went to 'museum of communism' in timis, pawed through buncha ancient lulzlit there, and photo'd 'a la minox' to read through laters and chew on the 'limba de lemn' ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( so far impression is, roughly similar to '80s su, tho with ~less~ obv. leakage of suppressed laffter through the pg , oddly , i expected moar )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: negation << >> 'нет ни хуя' etc
asciilifeform: worx same.
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to quantify
asciilifeform: or 'fuck no you won't find' ~= хуй найдешь
asciilifeform: etc
asciilifeform: or, say, pelevin's orcs sing their 'traditional folk song', 'Из этой жопы хуй уедешь'
asciilifeform: (~= 'the fuck you'll ever leave this shithole')
asciilifeform 1 day will post his engl. riff on subj, tailored for his particular shithole
asciilifeform brb,meats
mircea_popescu looks forward lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you happen to recall a trilema article about some moronic "pick up artist" and his tedious adventure getting some 17yo i think it was to sorta-take it, after half a day of pigeoning ?
mircea_popescu: might've been http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-02#1002258 dork, but i can't fucking find no trace of it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-02-02 06:39 mircea_popescu: Daryush Valizadeh,[1] (born June 14, 1979)[2] also known as Roosh V and Roosh Vorek, is an American[3] writer, pick-up artist5 and self-styled "love tourist"[6] of Iranian and Armenian descent,[7] known for his writings on seduction and antifeminism.
hanbot: mircea_popescu dyou mean http://trilema.com/2018/in-which-a-bizarre-character-wanks-it/ ?
mircea_popescu: ah ty!
mircea_popescu: for some reason i never named him in there.
asciilifeform remembers the roosh-v d00d, but for something quite else, iirc it was him who at one pt had asciilifeform's www linked as -- insultingly but lulzily -- 'the mencius moldbug of computing'
asciilifeform: (this was prior to mold going public re his 'kompyooting' )
asciilifeform: i had nfi he was a proud , eh, son of persia
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2018/in-which-a-bizarre-character-wanks-it/#selection-541.3-553.157 << i always thought this was obv, and find it brainfucking that anybody dungetit
mircea_popescu: i dunno, somehow it ain't easy to compute
mircea_popescu: somehow the whole http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+%22opposable%22 slash http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+%22opposability%22 item just not native to most heads.
asciilifeform: what's hard to compute tho. you put sumthing on www, erry 2bit spamplagiarismbot mirrors it in 10sec, not even speaking of actual humans laffing
asciilifeform bbl,meats
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diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895610 -> fwiw the thing is..still running given the full set of loops ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 23:41 mircea_popescu: i'm still waiting for diana_coman to return.
diana_coman: I think a gradual approach (i.e. run it & record results gradually increasing the number of loops) might be useful meanwhile
diana_coman: so I'll post the testing code with full set of loops in a bit and then go and set up another run too
diana_coman: basic test including serpent + test project with full set of loops : ossasepia.com/available_resources/ljmp_test.tar
asciilifeform: diana_coman: day+ ?! is this just 1 shot of benchmark, or many ?
asciilifeform: imho whole day is a bit of overkill if for ~one~ shot..
diana_coman: asciilifeform, one! and look here at times: 1 loop -> 0.000168893 s ; 2 loops -> 0.007213758 s ; 3 loops -> 0.351611073 s ; 4 loops -> 17.74 s ; 5 loops-> 879.95 s ☟︎
diana_coman: hence my original only 3 loops really; but mircea_popescu asked for the full set of 23 loops so there it is, still running
diana_coman: for completeness: the set of data above is from a different machine hence a bit faster than those of yest
diana_coman: 5 loops is already 15 minutes and ftr 6 loops is still running on that machine as we speak - by the looks of it, it'll be more than 1 hour
diana_coman: it's of course not exactly surprising, given that one goes from 50 serpent executions to 50mn rather quickly
mircea_popescu: diana_coman darn, i utterly miscalculated it. does
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 49 ^ 21
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 49 ** 21
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 311973482284542380586661606802325504
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you'll have to abort it, reduce the loops significantly. sorry bout that.
diana_coman: np
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 4 ** 21
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 4398046511104
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 2 ** 21
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 2097152
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 3 ** 10
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 59049
mircea_popescu: nuts.
diana_coman: see the timings above for 1-4 loops for some concrete idea
mircea_popescu: diana_coman a through j ; for 1 to 10 mod 4 plox.
mircea_popescu: i might be the weakest person in the world for basic arithmetics.
diana_coman: ah; why 10 mod 4 and not ..hm, 6?
diana_coman: uhm, 2
mircea_popescu: diana_coman idea was to go twice per loop, rather than 1nce. 2 will go in too many times still
diana_coman: ah, so if a mod 4 = 0 you mean
diana_coman: right
mircea_popescu: yeah
diana_coman: from 1 to 10; if mod 4; got it
mircea_popescu is very sorry about wasting a day. coulda done 30 seconds of figuring numbers BEFORE just as well.
diana_coman: a to j aka 10 loops from 1 to 10 only and then with if mod 4 -> 0.000855 s (no long jmp)
diana_coman: on the slower machine too
mircea_popescu: this is remarkably fast!
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 0.000168893 / 50
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 3.37786e-06
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 0.007213758 / (50**2)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 2.8855032e-06
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 0.351611073 / (50**3)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 2.812888584e-06
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 17.74 / (50**4)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 2.8384e-06
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 879.95 / (50**5)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 2.81584e-06
mircea_popescu: mkay.
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc (50**5)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 312500000
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc (2**21)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 2097152
diana_coman: trouble is that it might be too fast for the sort of timing precision we have
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc (3**23)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 94143178827
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc (2**23)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 8388608
mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems it stabilizes after 3 loops or so, if you look, it's within a few % with .007s and pretty much there at 0.35s
mircea_popescu: diana_coman try whole 23 loops, same 1 to 10 mod 4 plox ?
diana_coman will try
mircea_popescu: turns out a serpent takes about 2.8 microseconds.
diana_coman: 1.259 s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think her work above provides us with some useful data : it turns out it is reasonable to expect timings converge for measured intervals of at least 1/3 of a second, on the basis of the above.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo perfect. now do lj
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 1.259 / (2**23)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 1.50084495544e-07
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 1.259 / (2**21)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 6.00337982178e-07
diana_coman: given that it's still not that long, I'd do at least an avg
mircea_popescu: diana_coman how the fuck many loops are there ? 22 ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i think it's plenty long. why not long ?
diana_coman: from a to v? 22
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 1.259 / (2**22)
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 3.00168991089e-07
mircea_popescu: there's something amiss here.
diana_coman: because the clock thing is not very precise; on 4 runs of same thing I got: 1.25, 1.27, 1.29, 1.28
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the problem is this : on the basis of this last run, we're estimating serpent to take 0.3 microseconds.
mircea_popescu: on the basis of the previous timings you reported, we estimated it ~2.8 microseconds
mircea_popescu: this is degree of magnitude off, somehow. wanna walk through the math with me ?
diana_coman: and both of them are likely to be more due to measurement error
diana_coman: wait, what? ☟︎
diana_coman: 0.3 vs 2.8? ugh
mircea_popescu: except the other set converged, look : 3.37786e-06 2.8855032e-06 2.812888584e-06 2.8384e-06 2.81584e-06
mircea_popescu: for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 loops respectively as reported in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895666 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 14:24 diana_coman: asciilifeform, one! and look here at times: 1 loop -> 0.000168893 s ; 2 loops -> 0.007213758 s ; 3 loops -> 0.351611073 s ; 4 loops -> 17.74 s ; 5 loops-> 879.95 s
mircea_popescu: is this faux convergence then ?
diana_coman: can't quite tell tbh
mircea_popescu: ok, but indulge me :
diana_coman will need to leave for about 1 hr in ~5min time but will read
mircea_popescu: we are currently entering the loop twice, and we enter a total of 22 loops. therefore the number of times serpent is run is 2 ^ 22.
mircea_popescu: a ok.
diana_coman: that much sounds good
diana_coman wil bbl
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asciilifeform tried to unravel wtf was found here
asciilifeform: *tries
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : all of above is still just the baseline (no longjmpism) case ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: based only on above, i suspect a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-10#1886261 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-10 14:08 asciilifeform: aaand to round off : it vanished on the test box also. culprit appears to have been a running raid-verify job...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, we found i can't math ; that aside, we found that in one context serpent takes ~3us, and in another ~0.3us.
asciilifeform: diana_coman , when come back, plox to briefly describe the box
mircea_popescu: do me a favour first and let's nail the numbers down. so, for 1 to 100 if mod 2 results in the loop being run 50 times ? or 49 ?
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YaMpS/?raw=true << code snippet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 50
asciilifeform: how else
asciilifeform: there are 50 even #s b/w 1 and 100 incl.
mircea_popescu: alright. and if there's 22 for loops, this means the correct count of "how many times serpent is run" is 50 ^ 22 then ?
asciilifeform: in the pasted snippet, each outer loop multiplies the shots of inner by 50
asciilifeform: so yes if you make 22, then 50 ^ 22
mircea_popescu: so then what the fuck.
asciilifeform: that's quite a few, even if you had nuffin in the middle of it
mircea_popescu: right. point being, she did 1 to 5 loop sets of that, and the values converged.
mircea_popescu: then they suddenly diverged by order of magnitude.
asciilifeform: i'ma guess box ground to a halt during the 5-loops run, for a spell
asciilifeform: ( why -- cannot say until diana_coman returns with brief description of the irons )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally and unrelatedly, since i'm fixing this other article : do you happen to recall the trilema piece where "middle age crisis" ie, dood getting rid of older wife hooking up with younger girl is explained in terms of "well, she won't be as fucking annoying" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly was 'the peak of insanity'
asciilifeform doesn't like benchmarks where 1 shot takes moar than coupla min, for the reason that unix box is a shitfest, liable to decide 'hey nao is the time to munge the fs' etc. and suddenly eat cpu for multiple min, whenever
asciilifeform: if yer proggy takes >=12h, this is certain to happen, it'll run up against cron
asciilifeform: ( depending on what you got in there )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that a set of up to 200s converged, and then a 1 1/4 s item diverged.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/barbati-si-copile/ << found it ; was ro which is why it had "disappeared"
asciilifeform: ha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is why i like 'run 9000 shots, and discard outliers' (granted this only applies when the item is expected to go in constant time, goes without saying)
asciilifeform brb,teatime
mircea_popescu: anyway, she'll be back momentarily and we'll dig into it smore.
mircea_popescu: did i ever link the obvious http://trilema.com/2018/post-malone/#selection-79.0-205.38 answer to the obvious if commonplace http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884205 idiocy ? i think not, and it'd be a waste. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:24 stratum: Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in unrelated lulz, http://trilema.com/2014/website-thou-art-lol/#selection-423.92-423.100 (believe it or not, "affirmed" is a term of art in the context, that's how cuntmagic works, by "affirmation".)
mircea_popescu: well now i have to step out ; diana_coman do some more experiments, get some more data, we gotta figure out wtf this is.
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diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think it was a mis-communication really
diana_coman: I got stuck here in traffic earlier too, hence my being late, sorry;
diana_coman: anyways, back to it: for one thing you were comparing there numbers from different machines and I get the impression you got the "4 runs" in the 2nd report to mean different loops while they were not (it was same thing, repeated)
diana_coman goes to write this down properly alreayd
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I found the key misunderstanding there (in addition to comparing different machines and all that): the 1.25value is when serpent is fully optimised for time i.e. it goes from ~8s to 1.25 for full 22 loops 1..10, mod 4; sorry for the confusion there, I was still in exploration mode.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox clarify what means 'fully optimized for time' here
diana_coman: Serpent has pragma Optimize(Time)
diana_coman: gprbuild accepts levels of optimization via -O flag
asciilifeform: aaa
diana_coman: with no optimization (or -O0 iirc) it's ~8s; with -O3 it's 1.25s ☟︎
asciilifeform: i assumed you used same flags for all shots
asciilifeform: ( ftr all 'canonical' ffa tests are built with o2 : http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch16_miller_rabin.kv/tree/ffa/libffa/ffa.gpr#L56 )
diana_coman: at that specific shot I was exploring esp given the previous issue of "too long time"
diana_coman: anyways, I'll compile the dataset and publish it in a bit ☟︎
asciilifeform: historically i found that o3 is moar or less unusable for benchmarking anyffin, it risks to 'optimize away' unexpected pieces ( for instance, quite possibly your loop-and-mod-2 ) ☟︎
diana_coman: bc exploring I went http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895742 and I was getting confused too but anyways ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 14:49 diana_coman: wait, what?
diana_coman: aha, all benchmarking and data will be without any optimization
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asciilifeform: 'Tarrio believes that unless President Donald Trump steps in, the de-platforming and dehumanizing of conservatives will continue. “He needs to step in, not only because if he doesn’t he will lose in 2020 with all of his supporters being kicked off social media, but because it’s the right thing to do,” Tarrio finishes.' << lol!! ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Facebook, Twitter and Google are actively restricting conservative content through biased algorithms. Silicon Valley doesn't want you to read our articles. Bypass the censorship, sign up for our newsletter now!' << BingoBoingo write'em a mail ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Sure, will get to writing
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo
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BingoBoingo: ^ Mega Lulz
BingoBoingo: While Snowden was defecting to no where in particular, it turns out other people were defecting to somewhere ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'the Cyber Conspirators created a Facebook account that purported to belong to a USIC employee and former colleague of Witt, and which utilized legitimate information and photos from the USIC employee’s actual Facebook account. This particular fake account caused several of Witt’s former colleagues to accept “friend” requests' << lol! defectors aint what they usedto be... ☟︎
asciilifeform spend yrs in the unfortunate company of erry known species of usgtard , and came to conclusion that the principal 'limiting reactant' for defections is... they ain't got where to. ~nobody outside the amerigulag needs ~any of'em for anyffin.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, hard to say from here what seekrits she handed over that they don't want to print. Hence the focus on Facebook tardism.
asciilifeform: ( granted, they also selectively hire for this, even so much as having been off the reservation counts against candidate. but this is imho strictly secondary. )
diana_coman: ave1 or anyone else more experienced in rebuilding ave1's gnat with a previous incarnation of same: I'm trying to build using the scripts in ada-musl-cross-2018-09-24.tgz on a machine that has as only existing and perfectly working !) gnat a previous ave1 gnat version; I ran as the readme says simply ./build-ada.sh absolute_path_to_dir but the whole thing fails because it doesn't find some libs such as libgmp.la; a closer look at the outpu
diana_coman: t shows that it is looking for them in the wrong place and more specifically in the place where they were on the previous system where the working gnat was built! so hm, where and why does it store that path and how do I point it correctly?
diana_coman: I'm trying to rebuild it because current build doesn't have sjlj
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BingoBoingo: More to be done on the website, but ready to move on to writing that email to the dissidents for asciilifeform
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is quite puzzling, esp. since i've built ave1's gnat on 1 box, and since copied to handful of others, on each into an entirely diff dir
asciilifeform: ( and all run )
diana_coman: the script to rebuild ran?
asciilifeform: this, not tested except on orig
diana_coman: or gnat itself? because gnat itself runs /ran perfectly fine, yes
asciilifeform: aa hrm.
diana_coman: hence only now I ran into this puzzler
diana_coman: since it seems it'll take a while until I can add to my data the numbers for sjlj on ave1's gnat as well, here's what I have so far: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1esL2/?raw=true ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this may even be the culprit behind ( still unresolved afaik ) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820460 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-03 22:27 asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J7Aey/?raw=true << amd64 gnat dun build on arm64.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform was not able to build a working x64 gnat from the arm64 gnat )
diana_coman: I guess until now I always built ave1's gnat on a machine that had adacore's gnat installed with all the paths to libs like that quite standard so possibly that's why it never failed
asciilifeform: defo sounds like 1 or moar of his built bins aint static
diana_coman: it seems to me that it's just a path/configure that remains /is carried over from where the gnat was built
diana_coman: specifically, here's an example (with the path marked by me for clarity): build/build-bootstrap/gcc-4.9.adacore2016/build1/mpc/src/libmpc.la:dependency_libs=' OLD_PATH/lib/libgmp.la NEW_PATH_CORRECT/lib/libgmp.la'
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lQaIw/?raw=true << ftr
asciilifeform: ( i thought i checked this prior, but apparently not; no dynamics bins tho )
asciilifeform: aah so hardcoded path, hrm
diana_coman: yes and moreover weirdly enough it DOES have the correct one too, but it comes only after the wrong/old one and so it fails 'cause it can't find that
asciilifeform: diana_coman: on the old gnat -- seems like 0 detectable diff b/w the variants ?!
diana_coman: possibly, hm
asciilifeform: whythefuq do they even include, the gimped 'zcx' variant, then.. ( aside from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895611 isms) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 23:41 asciilifeform: ( aside for weirdo 1970s chips with no interrupts... )
asciilifeform: !#seen ave1
a111: 2019-02-03 <ave1> do you have an error log?
diana_coman: coming back to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895807 aka http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1esL2/?raw=true if it converges, it seems to be diff on diff machines+diff gnat; I might note also ftr that the times there on very short runs (i.e. a few loops) are not reliable ; other than that though, so far with this test there doesn't seem to be much penalty on having sjlj ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 18:41 diana_coman: anyways, I'll compile the dataset and publish it in a bit
asciilifeform: why would you even compare b/w diff machines.
diana_coman: grrr, I did NOT compare between diff machines
asciilifeform: hrm, how do i read 'it seems to be diff on diff machines+diff gnat'
diana_coman: there was the earlier mess-up with the 2 datasets hence my current stress of the fact, that's all
asciilifeform not picking on diana_coman out of sadism, simply had nfi how to parse that line
asciilifeform: aa ok
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dispatch sent via hEathenMAIL, content http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0crQm/?raw=true
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho a++
diana_coman: sorry, the ref to previous mess wasn't quite clear, you're right
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: after mircea_popescu nitpicks, perhaps this oughta be used as a template for others
diana_coman needs some sleep
asciilifeform: aa its sleep time in diana_comanistan aint it
diana_coman: at least there are no more surprises of huge differences in timings; but I'd still test also with some exception handling since that's supposed to slow sjlj down ☟︎
asciilifeform: as i understand that's the 1 thing that's expected to slow
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's been a bit of a long day too, sorry; strictly speaking you are in fact right there: that line compares them yes,if only to stress that "ofc they are different"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: sleep, and i expect the output will come out before you wake up. meanwhile i'ma see if i can figure out wtf re the paths.
diana_coman: the output?
asciilifeform: of the remaining runs
asciilifeform: ( or are these on hold pending gnat rebuild ? )
diana_coman: on hold atm since a. for sjlj on smg.test yes, need gnat rebuild b. for the rest it's unclear if it's worth to run or which ones so rather pending mircea_popescu feedback
asciilifeform: aaa ok
diana_coman: re paths I suppose a simple grep -r "libmpc" would show perhaps duplicates if nothing else?
diana_coman: i.e. where/if the trouble is not somehow just on my machine (though I got it on 2 machines...)
asciilifeform: the only hit is x86_64-linux-musl/share/info/mpc.info -- a readme
asciilifeform: ( in the built gnat )
diana_coman: well, that doesn't have the scripts too, does it?
asciilifeform: no, and i'ma look on the build box
diana_coman: it would have at most the path I suppose, if it's hardcoded somewhere
asciilifeform will come back to this puzzler; presently bbl (meat)
diana_coman: no hurry, I'll get back to it tomorrow morning anyway
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895803 << well ok but mixing like that's not going to get us anywhere. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 18:37 diana_coman: with no optimization (or -O0 iirc) it's ~8s; with -O3 it's 1.25s
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895808 << i deliberately wrote it like that because i expect it can not be optimized away. how would this go ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 18:41 asciilifeform: historically i found that o3 is moar or less unusable for benchmarking anyffin, it risks to 'optimize away' unexpected pieces ( for instance, quite possibly your loop-and-mod-2 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i since looked, and it doesn't
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: ( ~will~ unroll very small loops, but not applicable to subj )
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895813 << eh, what a fucking stupid idea. nobody wants anything with "social media", let the socialist tards & my bots have it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 19:05 asciilifeform: 'Tarrio believes that unless President Donald Trump steps in, the de-platforming and dehumanizing of conservatives will continue. “He needs to step in, not only because if he doesn’t he will lose in 2020 with all of his supporters being kicked off social media, but because it’s the right thing to do,” Tarrio finishes.' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: write fucking blogs, what "platforming". the sort of cuck that expects "president trump" to make him exist is just an alt-flavour transgender dork.
mircea_popescu: either man up or get the fuck lost (to baluba island)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these folx seem to have a psychiatrically-classical 'царь-батюшка' imaginary friendship w/ trump ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895814 << no but see, the thing eminently IS NOT that they have something to say. the thing is, that they misperceive there's a dole going on, that they're excluded from. their idea specifically is very much in the line of http://trilema.com/2011/antreprenorii-sanisedeie/ and so on. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 19:06 asciilifeform: 'Facebook, Twitter and Google are actively restricting conservative content through biased algorithms. Silicon Valley doesn't want you to read our articles. Bypass the censorship, sign up for our newsletter now!' << BingoBoingo write'em a mail ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about. plus a ridoinculous flavour whereby "white sox won cup because i, joe fatass, was screaming in a bar!!!"
mircea_popescu: "so now they owe me"
asciilifeform: possibly someone in that pigsty aint actually a pig tho, and might 'hmm, actual hosting..'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895817 << pretty fucking lulzy. the "platform" / "social media" etc was SUCH A SUCCESS, for the first time in history us brass defecting to fucking iran. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 20:40 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/us-air-force-intelligence-specialist-officers-2013-defection-to-iran-revealed-in-indictment/ << Qntra -- US Air Force "Intelligence Specialist" Officer's 2013 Defection To Iran Revealed In Indictment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will absolutely not get anywhere for as long as you continue with the braindamaged approach of trying to talk to their self-appointed "gatekeepers". do not talk to weev or w/e, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 braindamage ; talk to the individual individuals,. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand this binomial for asciilifeform -- who are 'the individuals' ?
mircea_popescu: i understand why the "i'd like to talk to as few people as possible" is appealing to the fucktard^H engineer mindset. nevertheless, the only way to win this is to have the decisionmaking atomized as much as possible.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880336 for the like n-th time. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-12 19:26 mircea_popescu: i expect if attempted it'll immediately run into the same problem pizarro is encountering, whereas bois will do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, no matter how patently stupid and laughing impending beheading in the face, just as long as it's NOT "talk to a lot of people".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845274 before that ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 22:27 mircea_popescu: and i do mean ~every single last one~. i talk to every single chick on fetlife, meaning EVERY SINGLE ONE. that's the job of existence. nothing else passes muster.
mircea_popescu: and so on, going back a while.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i get this part. the q is , where is the equiv of fetlife that is to get this treatment.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-03#908165 was re hosting. wtf am i going to build, a list of conservative forums EACH SINGKLE REGISTERED ACCT ON WHICH MUST BE MESSAGED ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-03 20:19 mircea_popescu: also, anyone own aged/trusted accounts on BlackHatWorld TrafficPlanet WarriorForum DigitalPoint SitePoint they might wish to sell or share ?
mircea_popescu: why, because then you'll do what you didn't do last i build you the list ?
mircea_popescu: every. EVERY. EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT ANYWHERE jesus f christ.
mircea_popescu: not the dorks "in charge". the userbase. target the userbases of everyone.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895819 << much better strategy, as it turns out. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 20:43 BingoBoingo: While Snowden was defecting to no where in particular, it turns out other people were defecting to somewhere
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo seems like the designated victims already in the logs. plox to produce payload for spamtron and post for nitpick.
mircea_popescu: this defecting "to the civil society" or w/e snowden tried blew up spectacularly, when it comes right down to it there's no civil society left in the socialist gulags.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect ~100% of'em would defect if anyone gave enuff of a shit to offer.
mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895820 there's of course the http://trilema.com/2018/the-leak/#selection-361.64-365.46 lulz. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 20:49 asciilifeform: 'the Cyber Conspirators created a Facebook account that purported to belong to a USIC employee and former colleague of Witt, and which utilized legitimate information and photos from the USIC employee’s actual Facebook account. This particular fake account caused several of Witt’s former colleagues to accept “friend” requests' << lol! defectors aint what they usedto be...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
mircea_popescu: and the bar for enough is dropping each day.
mircea_popescu: in any case -- i claim dibs for trilema re leadership in this whole "defection" business. WAY before femstate media reported on such a thing, it was on trilema.
mircea_popescu: as these things usually go ; i shall limit self to pointing out that time the ny times copied my paywall model.
asciilifeform: the particular meatbag ? or general case
asciilifeform: ( general case not new, e.g. martin & mitchell in 1960 to su )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895827 << win. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 21:36 BingoBoingo: In other updates, selection working on Pizarro wordpress. Copy on the main page http://pizarroisp.net/#selection-65.0-119.32 contact page http://pizarroisp.net/contact/#selection-11.0-23.151 with ARM Server page added http://pizarroisp.net/arm-dedicated-servers/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically : a) female b) moving away from femstate to c) patriarchy [where to happily live in d) new status and e) social media announcement of this that f) really insanely bothers femstate remnants] ☟︎
mircea_popescu: a-c mandatory d-f optional elements.
asciilifeform: traditionally 'defection' is about a crown official neh
asciilifeform: when peasant packs bags, usually just 'emigration'
mircea_popescu: this harsh reality whereby "nobody gives a shit about your '''career''' bs and she'd much rather http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888192 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-18 16:52 mircea_popescu: what've "they" fucking accomplished yet, with their ever-so-clever scapegoating merry-go-round ? economy flats around the ugliest, shittiest town in all of europe, and 12yos who'd rather be raped & set on fire by pakis than talk to "her majesty"'s clerks ?
mircea_popescu: this, this thing that is now a thing and will be much more of a thing, this thing was first announced, and first demonstrated on trilema.