a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 01:18 mircea_popescu: "mult stimate ion caciula, om al muncii fara scula : cit ai degete si limba, legea tarii nu se schimba."
mircea_popescu: in ro the expression'd be rather negative, "i got nothing". cuz "o pula" works also as universal negation, "do you have any money ?" "i got dick"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you happen to recall a trilema article about some moronic "pick up artist" and his tedious adventure getting some 17yo i think it was to sorta-take it, after half a day of pigeoning ?
a111: Logged on 2015-02-02 06:39 mircea_popescu: Daryush Valizadeh,[1] (born June 14, 1979)[2] also known as Roosh V and Roosh Vorek, is an American[3] writer, pick-up artist
5 and self-styled "love tourist"[6] of Iranian and Armenian descent,[7] known for his writings on seduction and antifeminism.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 23:41 mircea_popescu: i'm still waiting for diana_coman to return.
diana_coman: I think a gradual approach (i.e. run it & record results gradually increasing the number of loops) might be useful meanwhile
diana_coman: so I'll post the testing code with full set of loops in a bit and then go and set up another run too
diana_coman: basic test including serpent + test project with full set of loops : ossasepia.com/available_resources/ljmp_test.tar
diana_coman: asciilifeform, one! and look here at times: 1 loop -> 0.000168893 s ; 2 loops -> 0.007213758 s ; 3 loops -> 0.351611073 s ; 4 loops -> 17.74 s ; 5 loops-> 879.95 s
☟︎ diana_coman: hence my original only 3 loops really; but mircea_popescu asked for the full set of 23 loops so there it is, still running
diana_coman: for completeness: the set of data above is from a different machine hence a bit faster than those of yest
diana_coman: 5 loops is already 15 minutes and ftr 6 loops is still running on that machine as we speak - by the looks of it, it'll be more than 1 hour
diana_coman: it's of course not exactly surprising, given that one goes from 50 serpent executions to 50mn rather quickly
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 311973482284542380586661606802325504
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you'll have to abort it, reduce the loops significantly. sorry bout that.
diana_coman: see the timings above for 1-4 loops for some concrete idea
mircea_popescu: i might be the weakest person in the world for basic arithmetics.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman idea was to go twice per loop, rather than 1nce. 2 will go in too many times still
mircea_popescu is very sorry about wasting a day. coulda done 30 seconds of figuring numbers BEFORE just as well.
diana_coman: a to j aka 10 loops from 1 to 10 only and then with if mod 4 -> 0.000855 s (no long jmp)
diana_coman: trouble is that it might be too fast for the sort of timing precision we have
mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems it stabilizes after 3 loops or so, if you look, it's within a few % with .007s and pretty much there at 0.35s
mircea_popescu: diana_coman try whole 23 loops, same 1 to 10 mod 4 plox ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think her work above provides us with some useful data : it turns out it is reasonable to expect timings converge for measured intervals of at least 1/3 of a second, on the basis of the above.
diana_coman: given that it's still not that long, I'd do at least an avg
diana_coman: because the clock thing is not very precise; on 4 runs of same thing I got: 1.25, 1.27, 1.29, 1.28
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the problem is this : on the basis of this last run, we're estimating serpent to take 0.3 microseconds.
mircea_popescu: on the basis of the previous timings you reported, we estimated it ~2.8 microseconds
mircea_popescu: this is degree of magnitude off, somehow. wanna walk through the math with me ?
diana_coman: and both of them are likely to be more due to measurement error
mircea_popescu: except the other set converged, look : 3.37786e-06 2.8855032e-06 2.812888584e-06 2.8384e-06 2.81584e-06
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 14:24 diana_coman: asciilifeform, one! and look here at times: 1 loop -> 0.000168893 s ; 2 loops -> 0.007213758 s ; 3 loops -> 0.351611073 s ; 4 loops -> 17.74 s ; 5 loops-> 879.95 s
diana_coman will need to leave for about 1 hr in ~5min time but will read
mircea_popescu: we are currently entering the loop twice, and we enter a total of 22 loops. therefore the number of times serpent is run is 2 ^ 22.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-10 14:08 asciilifeform: aaand to round off : it vanished on the test box also. culprit appears to have been a running raid-verify job...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, we found i can't math ; that aside, we found that in one context serpent takes ~3us, and in another ~0.3us.
mircea_popescu: do me a favour first and let's nail the numbers down. so, for 1 to 100 if mod 2 results in the loop being run 50 times ? or 49 ?
mircea_popescu: alright. and if there's 22 for loops, this means the correct count of "how many times serpent is run" is 50 ^ 22 then ?
mircea_popescu: right. point being, she did 1 to 5 loop sets of that, and the values converged.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally and unrelatedly, since i'm fixing this other article : do you happen to recall the trilema piece where "middle age crisis" ie, dood getting rid of older wife hooking up with younger girl is explained in terms of "well, she won't be as fucking annoying" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that a set of up to 200s converged, and then a 1 1/4 s item diverged.
mircea_popescu: anyway, she'll be back momentarily and we'll dig into it smore.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:24 stratum: Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
mircea_popescu: well now i have to step out ; diana_coman do some more experiments, get some more data, we gotta figure out wtf this is.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think it was a mis-communication really
diana_coman: I got stuck here in traffic earlier too, hence my being late, sorry;
diana_coman: anyways, back to it: for one thing you were comparing there numbers from different machines and I get the impression you got the "4 runs" in the 2nd report to mean different loops while they were not (it was same thing, repeated)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I found the key misunderstanding there (in addition to comparing different machines and all that): the 1.25value is when serpent is fully optimised for time i.e. it goes from ~8s to 1.25 for full 22 loops 1..10, mod 4; sorry for the confusion there, I was still in exploration mode.
diana_coman: gprbuild accepts levels of optimization via -O flag
diana_coman: with no optimization (or -O0 iirc) it's ~8s; with -O3 it's 1.25s
☟︎ diana_coman: at that specific shot I was exploring esp given the previous issue of "too long time"
diana_coman: anyways, I'll compile the dataset and publish it in a bit
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 14:49 diana_coman: wait, what?
diana_coman: aha, all benchmarking and data will be without any optimization
BingoBoingo: While Snowden was defecting to no where in particular, it turns out other people were defecting to somewhere
☟︎ BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, hard to say from here what seekrits she handed over that they don't want to print. Hence the focus on Facebook tardism.
diana_coman: ave1 or anyone else more experienced in rebuilding ave1's gnat with a previous incarnation of same: I'm trying to build using the scripts in ada-musl-cross-2018-09-24.tgz on a machine that has as only existing and perfectly working !) gnat a previous ave1 gnat version; I ran as the readme says simply ./build-ada.sh absolute_path_to_dir but the whole thing fails because it doesn't find some libs such as libgmp.la; a closer look at the outpu
diana_coman: t shows that it is looking for them in the wrong place and more specifically in the place where they were on the previous system where the working gnat was built! so hm, where and why does it store that path and how do I point it correctly?
diana_coman: I'm trying to rebuild it because current build doesn't have sjlj
BingoBoingo: More to be done on the website, but ready to move on to writing that email to the dissidents for asciilifeform
diana_coman: or gnat itself? because gnat itself runs /ran perfectly fine, yes
diana_coman: I guess until now I always built ave1's gnat on a machine that had adacore's gnat installed with all the paths to libs like that quite standard so possibly that's why it never failed
diana_coman: it seems to me that it's just a path/configure that remains /is carried over from where the gnat was built
diana_coman: specifically, here's an example (with the path marked by me for clarity): build/build-bootstrap/gcc-4.9.adacore2016/build1/mpc/src/libmpc.la:dependency_libs=' OLD_PATH/lib/libgmp.la NEW_PATH_CORRECT/lib/libgmp.la'
diana_coman: yes and moreover weirdly enough it DOES have the correct one too, but it comes only after the wrong/old one and so it fails 'cause it can't find that
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 23:41 asciilifeform: ( aside for weirdo 1970s chips with no interrupts... )
a111: 2019-02-03 <ave1> do you have an error log?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 18:41 diana_coman: anyways, I'll compile the dataset and publish it in a bit
diana_coman: grrr, I did NOT compare between diff machines
diana_coman: there was the earlier mess-up with the 2 datasets hence my current stress of the fact, that's all
diana_coman: sorry, the ref to previous mess wasn't quite clear, you're right
diana_coman: at least there are no more surprises of huge differences in timings; but I'd still test also with some exception handling since that's supposed to slow sjlj down
☟︎ diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's been a bit of a long day too, sorry; strictly speaking you are in fact right there: that line compares them yes,if only to stress that "ofc they are different"
diana_coman: on hold atm since a. for sjlj on smg.test yes, need gnat rebuild b. for the rest it's unclear if it's worth to run or which ones so rather pending mircea_popescu feedback
diana_coman: re paths I suppose a simple grep -r "libmpc" would show perhaps duplicates if nothing else?
diana_coman: i.e. where/if the trouble is not somehow just on my machine (though I got it on 2 machines...)
diana_coman: well, that doesn't have the scripts too, does it?
diana_coman: it would have at most the path I suppose, if it's hardcoded somewhere
diana_coman: no hurry, I'll get back to it tomorrow morning anyway
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 18:37 diana_coman: with no optimization (or -O0 iirc) it's ~8s; with -O3 it's 1.25s
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 18:41 asciilifeform: historically i found that o3 is moar or less unusable for benchmarking anyffin, it risks to 'optimize away' unexpected pieces ( for instance, quite possibly your loop-and-mod-2 )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 19:05 asciilifeform: 'Tarrio believes that unless President Donald Trump steps in, the de-platforming and dehumanizing of conservatives will continue. “He needs to step in, not only because if he doesn’t he will lose in 2020 with all of his supporters being kicked off social media, but because it’s the right thing to do,” Tarrio finishes.' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: write fucking blogs, what "platforming". the sort of cuck that expects "president trump" to make him exist is just an alt-flavour transgender dork.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 19:06 asciilifeform: 'Facebook, Twitter and Google are actively restricting conservative content through biased algorithms. Silicon Valley doesn't want you to read our articles. Bypass the censorship, sign up for our newsletter now!' << BingoBoingo write'em a mail ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about. plus a ridoinculous flavour whereby "white sox won cup because i, joe fatass, was screaming in a bar!!!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will absolutely not get anywhere for as long as you continue with the braindamaged approach of trying to talk to their self-appointed "gatekeepers". do not talk to weev or w/e,
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 braindamage ; talk to the individual individuals,.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
mircea_popescu: i understand why the "i'd like to talk to as few people as possible" is appealing to the fucktard^H engineer mindset. nevertheless, the only way to win this is to have the decisionmaking atomized as much as possible.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-12 19:26 mircea_popescu: i expect if attempted it'll immediately run into the same problem pizarro is encountering, whereas bois will do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, no matter how patently stupid and laughing impending beheading in the face, just as long as it's NOT "talk to a lot of people".
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 22:27 mircea_popescu: and i do mean ~every single last one~. i talk to every single chick on fetlife, meaning EVERY SINGLE ONE. that's the job of existence. nothing else passes muster.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-03 20:19 mircea_popescu: also, anyone own aged/trusted accounts on BlackHatWorld TrafficPlanet WarriorForum DigitalPoint SitePoint they might wish to sell or share ?
mircea_popescu: why, because then you'll do what you didn't do last i build you the list ?
mircea_popescu: every. EVERY. EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT ANYWHERE jesus f christ.
mircea_popescu: not the dorks "in charge". the userbase. target the userbases of everyone.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 20:43 BingoBoingo: While Snowden was defecting to no where in particular, it turns out other people were defecting to somewhere
mircea_popescu: this defecting "to the civil society" or w/e snowden tried blew up spectacularly, when it comes right down to it there's no civil society left in the socialist gulags.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 20:49 asciilifeform: 'the Cyber Conspirators created a Facebook account that purported to belong to a USIC employee and former colleague of Witt, and which utilized legitimate information and photos from the USIC employee’s actual Facebook account. This particular fake account caused several of Witt’s former colleagues to accept “friend” requests' << lol! defectors aint what they usedto be...
mircea_popescu: in any case -- i claim dibs for trilema re leadership in this whole "defection" business. WAY before femstate media reported on such a thing, it was on trilema.
mircea_popescu: as these things usually go ; i shall limit self to pointing out that time the ny times copied my paywall model.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically : a) female b) moving away from femstate to c) patriarchy [where to happily live in d) new status and e) social media announcement of this that f) really insanely bothers femstate remnants]
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-01-18 16:52 mircea_popescu: what've "they" fucking accomplished yet, with their ever-so-clever scapegoating merry-go-round ? economy flats around the ugliest, shittiest town in all of europe, and 12yos who'd rather be raped & set on fire by pakis than talk to "her majesty"'s clerks ?
mircea_popescu: this, this thing that is now a thing and will be much more of a thing, this thing was first announced, and first demonstrated on trilema.