esthlos: trinque: updated file at http://files.esthlos.com/crypto/v_2/v.lisp , sig at http://files.esthlos.com/crypto/v_2/v.lisp.esthlos.sig
esthlos: mircea_popescu: wrt http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1807632 << esthlos-v presses fine to vtools_vpatch_newline☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 01:15 mircea_popescu: esthlos, a) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774760 ; b) how does your item handle the original http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794417 problem ?
trinque: very cool on both counts. reading.
mircea_popescu: nice.
esthlos: i'll field and questions/criticism tomorrow, gotta run for now
esthlos: also want to say that above confusion was mostly misinterpretation of various comments on my part. not about what "v" is _now_, but on what was being asked of me
trinque: the communication gets easier the more you work it, so stick around
trinque: btw looks like missing definition of process-exit-code ?
trinque: I'd also like to see the cl-ppcre dependency drop (not only for the call out to quicklisp to obtain it)
trinque: the parsing here is pretty simple, oughta be able to implement without hauling in a big honking dep
trinque will digest more when he has a definition of process-exit-code
mircea_popescu: esthlos, people throwing their hands in despair over something [they thought] you said is always way the fuck preferable to people throwing up their hands in despair over something you did -- specifically because there's a lot more room to misinterpret what's said than what's done.
trinque: ah, sbclism. I'm on ccl over here. and looks like run-program's an undeclared dep on uiop
trinque: wise thing to do is muntz off these foreign entanglements. v needs to stand on its own as much as possible, and ever more so.
trinque: can implement a "run-program" of our own in here, implement for sbcl and ccl. I don't know that I've heard of anyone here using another.
trinque: I'm fine with helping. could take a crack at it tomorrow.
trinque: worth saying also that use of quicklisp is anti-v. it's a wad of packages some dude compiled, he's not in our WoT, no signatures on packages (last I checked), and to top it off, it hauls down foreign code and executes for you as a single op.
trinque: v doesn't import the imperial convenience idiocy. it eats the world from where it stands.
trinque: (think, when this is done, we have a basis for a vtronic lisp repository, aside a vtronic portage, and all the rest)
mircea_popescu: i agree ; must stand on own more than possible
mircea_popescu: trinque, cmucl = ccl ?
trinque: !!v 55614ADF1D52CD18F16C72676CC8FF0FE7C24F13662752368EDE17A2F082F05D
deedbot: trinque rated esthlos 1 << lisp vtronicist
trinque: ccl is "clozure cl"
mircea_popescu: i thought phf mostly did cmu cl
trinque: ah maybe, can go in too. oughta be minimal crud, and clearly contained in one function. couple of whatever they call the implementation identifying macros.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/carnes-mas-o-menos/ << Trilema - Carnes, mas o menos.
mircea_popescu: o look, usg."prime minister" of pakistan got shot a little.
mircea_popescu: inb4 the next mosul lulz (aka "great success of barefoot negresses on the world diplomacy stage") will be the coallition capture of rebel islamabad.
mircea_popescu: and in other battlegear, https://78.media.tumblr.com/376fc109b9ef2f5d26c88f856c576801/tumblr_onnqhpST2Q1uogw2mo1_1280.jpg
mod6: good mornin TMSR~!
BingoBoingo: mod6: Mornin
mod6: How goes today BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: The productive cough is more productive, but at least the color is substantially improved
mod6: Ahh. Yeah, the good news of the bad news huh.
mod6: Still raining there?
BingoBoingo: Today it actually isn't
mod6: nice :]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in mean words, https://78.media.tumblr.com/8d9625677c87c6938052cc801b0ef9d5/tumblr_okr5poCICc1vc2tefo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: lol interesting reversal of the classic genre
mircea_popescu: wait, this isn't the classic genre ?!
asciilifeform: is, but with the colours swapped neh
mircea_popescu: not afaik ? ~this~ is the classical. the "black power" stuff is it with the colors swapped neh ? like "cocoa milk, in case you were getting bored with all milk beinbg white" marketing thing ?
asciilifeform: hm tru
mircea_popescu: otherwise you know, as far as pantsuit media outlets / science (ie, wankish fantasy with no reality support whatsoever) goes, there's https://asiangirlsbelongtowhitemen.tumblr.com/ https://sissyasianboy.tumblr.com/post/173275119419/all-asian-boys-should-be-castrated-and-turned-into https://asianwhiteworship.tumblr.com/post/169628017674/the-new-asian-sexuality-an-asian-girl-fucking-her etc etc etc.
mircea_popescu: but you can generally tell these all come from the same source the conceits of "racism" or "democracy" come from. because what the FUCK is "asian" even ? a notion similar to "ant".\
mircea_popescu: a degree of mental confusion roughly similar to calling people from ohio mexicans because you saw one in a hat once.
ben_vulpes: augh
mircea_popescu: but srsly now, this whole "race" mental cockroach, especially when by "race" is meant things like "the nation of africa" (really bitch ? every saw a guy from senegal ?) or "asia" or whaterver the fuck is SO transparently a redditard's ploy to put the world through the juicer and get "just the facts" out, preferably in the same sort of ram buffer his middle school education required, which is four pictures and five bullet poin
mircea_popescu: ts...
mircea_popescu: really now, a 6 foot 5 dude that evolutionarily exists to outrun turkeys in flight ; a 4 foot pigmy that evolutionarily exists to fit comfortably under elephants and poke their belly with a spear from underneath and some fat government worker are "the nation of Africa" ? for the same money the average sex of mankind is rabbit.
mircea_popescu: cuz it's furry, see ? and it jumps around. LOGIC from the mothership.
asciilifeform: in other sads, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YP3Gz/?raw=true ( tldr -- BingoBoingo will probably not get that parcel )
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i don't get it, what's the problem ? ~exact spanish translation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719423☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 11:16 diana_coman: Framedragger, did you ever publish somewhere re the customs fee you had to pay for your fg(s)?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i ain't sending cc pics or mtgox passport shots
asciilifeform: esp not via plaintxt shitmail
mircea_popescu: "Si usted desea ampararse en la franquicia para compras por internet de particulares uruguayos"
mircea_popescu: if you want to take advantage of the ... "right" to buy from local individuals (3 items per year)
mircea_popescu: you... don't.
asciilifeform reads again..
mircea_popescu: "Si usted no desea utilizar uno de los 3 cupos que tiene con la franquicia para el año, dicho envío será liberado abonando impuestos."
mircea_popescu: if you don't so desire, item will be released upon payment.
asciilifeform: i parsed it as mandatory for some reason
mircea_popescu: by the time they're bringing out the "ampararse" and "franquicia" you know they're blowing bubbles out their ass.
mircea_popescu: batshit insane fucking system they got, incidentally. why not just make a govt amazon, force locals to use it if they don't wanna pay tax.
mircea_popescu: holy shit, the retards. not only are they ever going to use a "smart"phone to go on a website, they DON'T EVEN FUCKING KNOW HOW TO MAKE A WEBSITE ANYMORE.
mircea_popescu: mass literacy was a mistake.
asciilifeform: what will 'govt amazon' stock ? matte cups ?
mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck composes those "3 cupos per ano"
mircea_popescu: local fermented beverages, how the fuck do i know what orcs trade.
asciilifeform: it'd do 0 for us, is the point.
asciilifeform: betcha whole story is really a rerun of the old mircea_popescu article with the anti-busstop protesters
asciilifeform: in buenosaires
mircea_popescu: (anyway, i'm mostly joking. THEY don't know how to speak their previous colonizer's language, and so they say "to buy from locals" when they mean "the buying of locals". w/e)
asciilifeform: 'oh noez somebody might buy not from the local orcs'
mircea_popescu: la franquicia para compras por internet de particulares uruguayos << the franchize for internet purchases FROM local private parties is the correct solution. but not only did they lift the bureaucratese, they lifted it wholesale, "de" now means "of" like english works, because why the fuck not, soberania.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, remember that time we needed like 100kgs worth of sheet metal profiles, ended up having to fly them over with white man's airship because local orcs can't bend metal along predetermined lines ?
asciilifeform: i will add : this is for a 10$ cable with fortybux of importtax ~prepaid~ via shitazon
asciilifeform: ~prepaid~
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think they even know how to make own drainpipes, much less these
mircea_popescu: yeah, because pouring concrete in matrices is like the height of white man's craft, not even black women i'm sorry, WOMEN OF AFRICA ever tried this with ground up mud and spitpies.
asciilifeform: the funny/sad bit, is that i found enuff local material sources that it ~is~ possible to , say, make racks for rockchippen on-site, with some effort. BUT the chance of getting more than a handful of raw pcbs un-encased in protective 'old server' chassis, through orc checkpoint, is ~0
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: see, it's like an orc protection amulet, this. 1920 technology, what stalin sought to copy, is what orcs most fear.
asciilifeform also wonders whether there isn't a hidden symbiosis between the usg.corp derps who prolly ship ~100% of the rackable comps ever before shipped to UY, and the 'we want a cut of that printolade you print' bridgetrolls
asciilifeform: ( considering BingoBoingo's earlier discovery that almost all industrial comps ever imported there, are via contracts with microshit/dell/minions )
mircea_popescu: i expect you actually own 100% of all computers ever shipped to uruguay. the rest is in extraterritorial zone.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the neighbouring racks were not all empty, interestingly.
asciilifeform: and not all full of old desktop dells, even.
mircea_popescu: gotta store the slano somewhere.
asciilifeform: the wat
mircea_popescu: wtf do they call the cured pig fat chunks ?
asciilifeform: salo
mircea_popescu: i thought that's what they called secluded rapespots in the italian countryside.
asciilifeform: ( in so far as asciilifeform could see with naked eye : most of the nonempty racks were full of emc. gigagonnes of it. )
asciilifeform: lol also
mircea_popescu: сланина < there!
asciilifeform: iirc that's what it goes by in ro
mircea_popescu: everywhere but ukr, really.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, emc, ie "We have extended our commitment to #AI with the announcement of two new 4-socket servers, the PowerEdge R840 and the PowerEdge R940xa. Explore " ?
mircea_popescu: for the same money, wella extended its commitment to #AI with the announcement of two dozen new blonde hair dyes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mega-seller of 'we'll mail you new disks when yours burns out immediately, and support microshit etc etc' crapolade, bought at some point by dell and absorbed into standard usg kompyooting stack
mircea_popescu: right. and meanwhile committed.
asciilifeform: ( iirc they landed the nsa disks contract )
mircea_popescu: aha. or rather -- they're the funnel for which the nsa new development was even made.
mircea_popescu: hence "bought" by dell.
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: big scandal in romania these days, btw, because "it turns out" that in 2005 the ustards exported their spy-on-citizens system they brought up online sometime post 2001, and the romanians of course used it to spy on, eg, members of the csat ("supreme council of defense", funny communist leftover item, after the soviet model). and you know, ex "generals" going to the media with "the cia boss, the fbi boss and the military attac
mircea_popescu: he had the keys". cuz, again, soberania.
mircea_popescu: the laugh of all time.
asciilifeform: i recall this from old trilema piece ?
mircea_popescu: not that anyone in the know didn't know, the whole fucking deal is physical-space-for-prison in orcland for online-space-for-excell fuckery in empire imaginary virtualand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah but you see, "nobody reads trilema" hurr durr, it is a DISCOVERY in 2018. because "the press" hurr durr.
asciilifeform wonders whether they have a stable of dedicated boecks for such 'discoveries', or if disposables
mircea_popescu: mostly retiring "generals" in this particular case
mircea_popescu: used to be a time when being a staff officer meant something. now it's mostly i-cant-believe-this-fuckwit-isnt-an-academic / oh-but-he-is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite far upstack : a quite 'apocalyptic' phuctoring could at some point be had, by making use of shamir & mantin's pill against rc4 ( used in ~every shitprng to date )
asciilifeform: ( rc4-whitened crapola is readily 'distinguishable from random' )
mircea_popescu: eventually.
mircea_popescu: how you holding up BingoBoingo ?
mircea_popescu: do you have a 2nd person there in case you need anything ? the venezoelana or what was it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Doing a lot better
mircea_popescu: a nice then.
mircea_popescu: standing ?
BingoBoingo: In the hostel, drinking water, and breathing much easier
mircea_popescu: alright.
BingoBoingo: Sitting, standing, walking in circles, and occasionally using the stairs.
mircea_popescu: oj, eh ? they have that delicious fresh pressed stuff, just the thing./
BingoBoingo: AHA, Considering that or the peach juice
mircea_popescu: absolutely.
BingoBoingo: Nearly feeling good enough for a grocery run. Prolly going to get juice, blue cheese, and whatever the local equivalent of crackers is
mircea_popescu: solid plan
BingoBoingo: Then tomorrow I appear with my paperwork at the Department of identity, then next Tuesday I pick up the Cedula.
BingoBoingo: A kilo or so of icecream will probably be involved somewhere along the way.
mircea_popescu: lol.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, in 8 days I get to use all of this bullshit tax stuff paid here to get my not-Obamacare. Optimistically if I only need the number and not the physical card I could see a doctor as soon as tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: are you out of cash ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, but I also don't want to hand over cash if it can be avoid it. And the Urgency is substantially less than yesterday.
mircea_popescu: so make an appt ; doctor's visit is what, 50 bux, 100 if you're really going to the spa.
BingoBoingo: Aite
mircea_popescu: if the sulfa killed it it was definitely bacterial ; the whole "after rain" story is very streptoccocus. you don't want to end up with an entrenched infection, this is how people end up with lifelong sinusitis and other such unpleasantries.
BingoBoingo: Definitely.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did anybody ever collect pubkeys of tor nodes ? or was this mentioned in log, but never done
mircea_popescu: mentioned in log, possibly what actually done Framedragger_ in, he went to talk to the shrews
mircea_popescu: but did he ever return no he never returned, he's the man in the mta...
asciilifeform: ( coupla yrs back, a heninger-type academitard demonstratively pretended to do this, with the typical null output )
asciilifeform: yea. sad.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder what he found on the shrew planet, that was worth staying for.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you ever wonder what laika found ?
asciilifeform: lol, what? fiery demise ?
mircea_popescu: well, more's the question what didn't find.
mircea_popescu: what, dog was gonna build a rocket
asciilifeform: iirc d00d did have some parting word to the effect of 'leave me to my model airplanes'
mircea_popescu: i dun recall this ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624181 possibly☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 14:50 Framedragger: i like my rc airplanes. "the will of history necessitates you to X" has a marx'ified hegelian vibe :p
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: it ~does~ have a vibe, which sure could be classified that way ; or any other way. "Πειθοῦς ἐστι κέλευθος - Ἀληθείῃ γὰρ ὀπηδεῖ - ἡ δ ́ ὡς οὐκ ἔστιν τε καὶ ὡς χρεών ἐστι μὴ εἶναι, τὴν δή τοι φράζω παναπευθέα ἔμμεν ἀταρπόν·" whartever.
mircea_popescu: what is is and necessarily is while what isn't isn't an' necessarily isn't.
mircea_popescu: http://philoctetes.free.fr/parmenidesunicode.htm << parmenides with ye olde burnet translation, for the mentally voracious.
ben_vulpes: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bill-gates-says-he-would-short-bitcoin-if-there-was-an-easy-way-to-do-it-2018-05-07 << moar wrinkly old men
mircea_popescu: lmao. the guarded bravery of the eromenos.
mircea_popescu: time i recount a story, i suppose. here it is : "Subject: Ah, I remember now :D
mircea_popescu: You are the early BTC adopter and IIRC you were or had used DAO's findings/theft (whatever you call). I thought your name seemed familiar, but I do not always participate in the chatter. I was an early bitcoin adopter too. Then I got around to ethereum. Did a fun ICO - http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/news/2147-2017kybernetwork-loiluu/ But near December last year, I donated the cash value of almost all of my bitcoins to Bill & Meli
mircea_popescu: nda Gates Foundation. Was not a whole lot. Less than a mil. I made a decent fortune from bitcoins for no reason. And they are doing some really cool projects for humanity. Love their work. I have been to quite a few of Richard Stallman's talks. But still not inspired enough to care so much about OSS. I like it, but I also understand the argument for not having OSS and making money off it. But you did a good thing there. so co
mircea_popescu: ngrats and you have my gratitude :)"
asciilifeform: this from the soulless-cockroaches-given-gift-of-speech-by-mistake file ?
ben_vulpes: and in 'the orly? report': http://gcaptain.com/new-york-governor-vows-dunkirk-style-citizens-fleet-to-block-offshore-drilling
mircea_popescu: rando guild leader. either the most ellaborate troll alive or otherwise just another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-07#1810722☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-07 15:24 mircea_popescu: otherwise you know, as far as pantsuit media outlets / science (ie, wankish fantasy with no reality support whatsoever) goes, there's https://asiangirlsbelongtowhitemen.tumblr.com/ https://sissyasianboy.tumblr.com/post/173275119419/all-asian-boys-should-be-castrated-and-turned-into https://asianwhiteworship.tumblr.com/post/169628017674/the-new-asian-sexuality-an-asian-girl-fucking-her etc etc etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the trigger was me explaining why i'm not gonna use skype/discord, no matter what the fuck they do. apparently "daytime talk radio" was meanwhile supplanted by these mutual clucking devices they have. who the fuck knew in three short decades socialism will manage to take all the most obnoxious features of a marginal social phenomenon associated with wage slaves and turn it into a universal locus of youth.
mircea_popescu: at least their fathers knew listening to talk radio in the car was BECAUSE THEIR LIFE SUCKS. these schmucks listen to it in their "spare" time, and don't even go to the trouble of ~selecting~ a moron to uuhhh and aaahhh melifluously, no, any old dweeb will do.
mircea_popescu: 0 self respect in the lands of "self confidence".
asciilifeform: i thought skype etc were voip crapola, rather than pseudo-broadcast
mircea_popescu: yes, voip crapola. now think -- they have nothing to say to each other and 1 on 1 is "too much pressure" anyway, so they'd join channels, yes ?
mircea_popescu: the logic of idiocy is not hard to follow.
asciilifeform: prior to this, they did same thing via ordinary phone, neh
ben_vulpes: standard cab driver tech for...decades?
asciilifeform: 'cb' aha
asciilifeform has a junkyard 'cb' , switches it on sometimes for lulz
mircea_popescu: there's a large (and good god vocal!) population on say fetlife, which is only there to steal the having been stolen from wrt sex. specifically, they're mental 12yos who are there to not have to notice they're entiurely asexual, "how could you think that of me, i'm here engaging in the exact sort of slut-in-training perisexual and cvasisexual behaviours typical of pubescence!". here, sampler : "Law_And_Chaos 26M Dom ah you se
mircea_popescu: em so very keen on slavery I wanted to offer you the chance to be a slave. I've seen a few posts about you asking people to be your slave, well you can be mine instead." "me : Any clue who you're talking to, gopnik ?" "him : couldn't give a damn who i'm talking to. The fact that most groups i'm part of are warning people about you tells me that you're not a good person."
mircea_popescu: imagine this fucking wonder, "not a good person". what the fuck happened in their heads, seriously, this is a drawback, being the guy your mom told you to stay clear of ? he;s going to do me disservice by running around "warning" the gals about how not good i am ?
asciilifeform: i can't resist to ask : mircea_popescu has been drilling shitlife for yrs; anyffing ever come out of the pipe, aside from sludge ?
mircea_popescu: this is not singular : fetlife is at least half by weight people who want a good pretext as to why they're not getting laid (community!) ; gaming is at least half by weight people who want a good pretext as to why they suck at video games (community!) and so on and so following. look at expert sex change in this vein, you'll discover a few things about the sort of questions asked and the placesd they come from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, have you seen the pics on trilema ever ?
asciilifeform: which pics
mircea_popescu: the anus and the vulva are separated by a thin membrane by design ; this is what sophia thinks of our habits.
mod6: the taint
mircea_popescu: the taint!
mircea_popescu: if you don't drill the shitpipe, how're you going to end up in cunt ?!
asciilifeform: q wasn't 'why do it, it is pointless', but 'what sludge %'
mircea_popescu: directly ?! what are you, like some kind of pervert ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, hard to count the sludge, see. what % of slag is diamonds ?
asciilifeform: >0
mircea_popescu: definitely >0.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what do i count ? every girl my IA devices ever touched ? that'd be tens of millions, who knows, a billion. every girl in what, my girl's l1 ? l2 ? l which ?
mircea_popescu: it's impossible to establish the numerator.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you're just being lazy with your funnel metrics
ben_vulpes: i suggest a wordpress plugin
mircea_popescu: ahahaha.\
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking re # that reported for basic training in castle mircea_popescustein, say
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, consider however the 2nd order effects : i know how they think. can you imagine what that radicalurile could possibly serve ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, well over half.
asciilifeform: neato
mircea_popescu: understand, it's very hard not to agree with me. takes a sort of determination towards idiocy most people lack.
mircea_popescu: dunno about the whole "people are fundamentally good and seeking the light" aristotelian optimism. however most people can't be arsed to do the stupid when it's obvious it'll be wasted effort.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and i'll bet you twentysomething tard dun even know what a gopnik is. and this ignorance does not worry him, "there's this scary not-good dood who said something i didn't even understand" somehow fails to carry the "today is the day you die" signal with it.
asciilifeform: this is sorta like lookig for 'which dodo squawk means 'hunter coming''
asciilifeform: they ain't got one, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: that's how they won the war for mosul
ben_vulpes: i'm still boggled that people appear to outgrow curiosity
mircea_popescu: curiosity dies naturally, much like the ability to learn languages, or the ability to swim.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they don't have any to begin with, see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-30#1690889☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-30 03:42 ascii_modem: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-30#1690886 << steve dutch
mircea_popescu: yes, it's inborn in humans. but in the apes we come from it ends within 18 months ; and in people it ends if not artificially maintained also.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they do, else they couldn't speak at all.
asciilifeform: not same thing as adult (i.e. systematized) curiosity.
mircea_popescu: "curiosity" is the atrophied device of what language is learned with ; much like the adult tymus is what's left behind after the "mother's immune protein bank" in children.
BingoBoingo taking a break from eating cheese
asciilifeform: as imho very well demonstrated in the linked piece
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, indeed not.
mircea_popescu: but that's the fork : as times goes by, you either get good at fucking or you stop trying. as time goes on, curiosity either systematizes or dies.
mircea_popescu: in the sad results of the "modern democracy" child abuse rings, it dies.
BingoBoingo: Aite, the local version of crackers suck. Thankfully I picked up a garlic loaf. Split open and loaded with ALL the blue cheese and the white cheese, this might beat the half kilo of ice cream as the most decadent thing I have ate in Uruguay.
asciilifeform: ^ asciilifeform's lunch in timis
asciilifeform still salivates thinking of it
mircea_popescu: hey, perfectly respectable breakfast item, bread crust with cheeses and sour cream
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: we gotta get you a kitchen; no reason you should be buying crackers when you can recruit girls to do it for you
ben_vulpes: betcha street shit is riddled with thiamin and friends
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: That's actually the name on this Blue, "Queso Azul 'Friendship'"
mircea_popescu: drujba!!
asciilifeform: bahahahahaha
asciilifeform: ( was cheapo spready-cheese in su )
BingoBoingo: Ah, the friendship is only sorta spready. Had to spackle over it with Brie
mircea_popescu: anyway, the above is a major point ben_vulpes is making. cooking at home is ~only way to get decent food in orclands w/o spending a benjie a plate sorta deal.
ben_vulpes: aaha.
ben_vulpes: especially us orclands!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there, even benjie/plate doesn't begin to cure
asciilifeform: BingoBoingostan appears to have ample supply of quality dairy tho.
asciilifeform brain melted at the sunday market, tho not to the extent it did in timis
mircea_popescu: haha remember the hats ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot, really loved the hats.
asciilifeform: in other noose, jurov's shithub sshkeys output is nearly finished converting; will start to feed it in within hr or so
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ave1 did you succeed building gnat on non-musl gentoo?
mircea_popescu: nice.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: his latest script barfs on account of expecting to load a turd from shithub
asciilifeform: diana_coman: about 80% in, i think. possibly would actually work if i permitted it
diana_coman: hm, that last 20% ...
mircea_popescu: could just localize it, if so...
asciilifeform: to be very concrete, for all i know , his script ~works~ , i simply was not able to test from that point
asciilifeform: ( it suffers from very serious problem where you gotta start the 3,4,... hour build from 0 errytimeitstops )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/german-police-hunting-89-year-old-civilian-wwii-survivor/ << Qntra - German Police Hunting 89 Year Old Civilian WWII Survivor
diana_coman: ave1, any chance you tweak that script so I can at least test it in stages rather than 3-4 hour all-or-nothing thing?
asciilifeform: !#seen ave1
a111: 2018-05-01 <ave1> before starting do: export MAKEFLAGS="-j32".
asciilifeform: aaaaand the jurov collection is going in nao!
asciilifeform: eating the ~7mil keyz will take, i expect, about a day.
asciilifeform: ( they are on ramdisk, and process is pretty snappy nao )
mod6: any bets on count?
asciilifeform: mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810520 << thread☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 17:21 asciilifeform: upstack : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810476 << 6`976`695 , mircea_popescu
mod6: Sorry, meaning number popped
asciilifeform: mod6: yes, see thread
mod6 re-reads
mod6: ah, hmm. We'll see I guess :]
asciilifeform is still waiting for that magical day, when a valid-rsa-key-generated-by-a-human-on-a-pc pops
asciilifeform: ...closest item to date is the khadeer incident. but that was almost certainly a not-by-named-party creation imho
mircea_popescu: there's many dozens of keys that are of dubious origin. who's to know.
mircea_popescu: if i know anything about esltards, it's that far FAR from "i made this so and so, here's the tool binary at the very least, if not source i compiled" they'll instead be "oh nothing happened".
asciilifeform: rright but e.g. 'divisible by 5' is not under category of 'valid rsa mod' no matter how one cuts it
mircea_popescu: it's how they handle their amorous life, finances, education, everything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i was discussing the dozen gpg generated, sks vintage keys that weren't divisible by 5.
asciilifeform: canhaz phuctorlink?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#selection-301.0-341.111 etc
asciilifeform: mirrorolade
asciilifeform: all 3 of the given.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what the standard you propose is, but anyway.
asciilifeform: ( you can click the links, incidentally, and immediately learn this )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the standard is ~could have come out of a pc pgptron, e.g. gpg~
mircea_popescu: yes, the time when a key whose N is the product of two numbers nevertheless is discoveref to have factors other than the two prime numbers in question is, indeed, a most rapturous occasion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, as far as anyone knows, that's exactly where they came from.
asciilifeform: there is no known version of gpg that shits or even eats mirrorolade, it can only come out of a purpose-built mutilator, OR one of the various js pgptrons that dun check or produce selfsigs
mircea_popescu: "there is no known" is no argument.
mircea_popescu: indeed, there is no known, meaning anything can be the case.
asciilifeform: argument is that you gotta mutilate any and all of the extant gpgs pretty heavily to get'em to even eat 1.
asciilifeform: and yes it is conceivable that the proggy that produced'em, was given name of 'gpg', somewhere, somehow.
mircea_popescu: you gotta mutilate ssh also to get it to spit out / use the 2k+ broken ssh keys ?
asciilifeform: but has not much in common with what you and i , use. and, more importantly, given 'piltdown man'-stitched-out-of-parts ~random selfsigs, ~anyone~ could have produced the mirrorolade. you can trivially create it for every pubkey in phuctor.
mircea_popescu: afaik this exact discussion ended in 2015 with the showing of how gpg will eat.
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: js shitpgp eats.
asciilifeform: ( jurov found 2 separate ones, they've been in the faq for a while )
asciilifeform: under section VIII .
asciilifeform: hmm 2nd link dead nao!
asciilifeform: ( http://ianpurton.com/online-pgp )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is also possible that winblowz 'original' pgp eats. but afaik nobody yet tried.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so the standard here is, "a key from the sks system which my gpg at home eats and which is nevertheless not prime and excepting A50591247C8E37A64117B74F78AB527059E13694 / B01584E9F6CB9E76DEA61E2A73786CA0F4EACC4F because reasons and with a special review clause for later on left blank atm" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i missed 1 : that german thing
asciilifeform: possibly qualifies.
mircea_popescu: the exact problem of "can't specify the denominator" problem discussed earlier.
asciilifeform: ( http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities in vintage lulz ; still digging for the item above )
mircea_popescu: anyway, honestly nfi what's so magical about gpg in your mind. they're just as rsa keys as the ssh set ; and just as debian, and etcetera.
asciilifeform: different and yet-undiscovered orifice.
asciilifeform: ( ~errybody already knows about the debianism. )
mircea_popescu: the way the internet works, everybody already knows about everything on the solid basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-07#1810891 etc.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-07 18:48 ben_vulpes: i'm still boggled that people appear to outgrow curiosity
mircea_popescu: but sure, i don't disagree, the more it finds the better.
asciilifeform: but really, mircea_popescu , if i find , let's say, a set of breakable pubkeys that with reasonable certainty came from gpg 1.4.10, this will not be a more interesting find than debianized ssh set ?
asciilifeform: imho it -- would
mircea_popescu: in your mind, the chicken is spherical. in practice, the chicken you'd find would come with the usual gunk and mud the "average person" attaches to things. "oh, we were only joking/doing exercise/it's obvious this doesn't count" "oh we researched this and forgot to publish anything" bla bla bla. then the real chicken you found will seem insufficiently spherical to you just like all the others prior.
mircea_popescu: so -- in practice, nope.
mircea_popescu: the debian scandal is unparallelable because for me it made the phase transition from "these are people" to "these are not people". similarily to how the blockchain genesis is more important than block x+1.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has an obvious and unashamed bias in favour of 0days in ~things he actually uses~ , verily
asciilifeform: in re 'what is interesting'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which these ? ( the victims ? perps ? ..both ? )
mircea_popescu: it's rather comparable to how say that inenarable imbecile murdock changed my view with the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692407☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-02 01:17 mircea_popescu: phf reminds me of fucktard murdock "oh, we were first apple store"
asciilifeform: aaaa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, zx2c4 's "academics" or w/e you'd call them. the rubber chicken guzzlers, the conference goers, the code-of-conducted, the everyday cuck
mircea_popescu: how do you call them ? doods jammed in traffic on the information superhighway, listening to the atlantic talk radio show.
mircea_popescu: everyone-but-us-and-the-innocent.
mircea_popescu: (innocent here being a way to denote the mentally simple)
mircea_popescu: men-in-tech, the modern man-at-war. wtf do you even call the scum
asciilifeform: academitards quite solidly fall into the most irrevocably damned class of sinner, the knowing type.
mircea_popescu: contrary to all the pretense, there's really 0 difference. "tech journalist" / "academic" / "entrepreneur" / whatever the fuck. i don't distinguish between the doubtless present and in-character very visible "sorts" and "kinds" of african garbage pickers trying to turn the refuse of a great civilisation that doesan't include them into some root paste or w/e they eat. you know for a fact they are so, because the various classe
mircea_popescu: s of london poor two centuries ago, depending as they were upon the continued feeding of the urban midden for their subsistence, DID classify, and a rag picker thought himself different from a bone monger or w/e.
asciilifeform: mudlarks(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: very similarily, the pile of esltards trying to salvage the remains of french philosophy, british merchantship and spanish bigotry into some kind of whatever that'll get them through the night can not be fucking distinguished from outside ; nor really are functionally distinct. which is how "academics" denied tenure become either entrepreneurs or journalists, or rather both and indistinctly.
asciilifeform: possibly oughta revive this name for'em
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is even the difference between publish-or-perish-i and publish-or-perish-ii ?
mircea_popescu: not like any one among them has anything to say, or anything to contribute, or even has understood anything -- or even SAT DOWN with anything in an attempt, however cursory, to understand.
mircea_popescu: and if they ever did, a la bernstein, it does eventually get washed out.
asciilifeform: well once time asciilifeform went to an entomology lab and there was a glass case with a coupla hundred indistinguishable, to asciilifeform's naked eye, mosquitoes . but for the pest control specialist, the exact species presumably -- matters.
mircea_popescu: i am not yet that advanced. as things stand right now, i can't even explain what'd be the morphological differences. at all.
mircea_popescu: i mean, the specialist will tell you ~something~. counts legs, counts hairs on legs, counts fucking something. then i can take what he said and apply it and not end up in a contradiction.
mircea_popescu: good luck with this fauna, i've not yet seen the wonder where classification was meaningful in any perspective.
mircea_popescu: and whenever classification fails, we know two things : one is that the subject is not worth the mention, hence why they're called "scum" and otherwise not considered ; and the other is that the subject is amorphous, like, exactly, scum.
asciilifeform: to distinguish'em, is only really a productive work if it can be found that they e.g. respond to different ddt.
mircea_popescu: the best model i can summon is indeed the http://trilema.com/2016/the-eastern-rpg/ : there's a "mage" which has 4 spells which do a) 30 dmg + 5x to 1 target ; b) 15dmg + 7x to 1 target ; c) 5 dmg + 3x to 3 targets and d) 10 dmg + 10x to all targets provided a b or c were cast five times prior. then there's an... "assassin", whatever the fuck, paladin, electropostalist, metamicronicist, anything whatsoever -- which (importantl
mircea_popescu: y!) has 4 NOT!!!11-spells but something ENTIRELY-elses, which nevertheless do a) 30 dmg + 5x to 1 target ; b) 15dmg + 7x to 1 target ; c) 5 dmg + 3x to 3 targets and d) 10 dmg + 10x to all targets provided a b or c were cast five times prior.
mircea_popescu: what are they, aspirants to the "middle class" in the exact sense rednecks are aspirants to "the traditional family" and christians aspire to catholicism.
mircea_popescu: none of them will ever get what they seek, for what they seek a) never existed in the fragmentary, orcish way they represent it and b) existed when it did in a context which specifically requires, as an absolute necessity, their non-existence to exist. so....
mircea_popescu: rural mommies all over the soviet union prayed for their children to get "an office job" in the great new state being built ; and before the soviet union was invented the EXACT SAME women, physically identically the same notwithstanding the centuries in between them, were praying for at least one of their sons to be a priest. for the same exact reasons, escapism is fundamentally the losers' adaptation.
mircea_popescu: anyway, very much an open problem, of course. you never know, maybe someday someone actually comes up with some manner of classifying the scum into something.
mircea_popescu: but my expectation is that it'll be purely subjective, "i divide fire into good-useful fire (GUF) such as when i cook, insidious-noxious fire (INF) such as when my pregnant wife smokes and bad-terrible fire (BTF) such as when arson." the guf-inf-btf model is however not a fucking classification of fire.
BingoBoingo: Still alive
BingoBoingo: And in the latest Pantsuit thrashings via WaPo on money laundering: "Not taking on debt from a regulated lender, in short, can remove an entire layer of scrutiny from the acquisition process."
mircea_popescu: awwww.
BingoBoingo: From a piece butthurt Trump starting paying cash for some real estate purchases...
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever paid anything but cash or personal notes. wtf "lenders".
BingoBoingo: Well, this is Trump who powered his comedy through the 1990s on bankruptcy law
mircea_popescu: heh, he's not alone. the vegas strip was built out of junk bonds after all.
mircea_popescu: that whole fucking country exists out of bankruptcy law.
BingoBoingo: But apparently the controversy is that AFTER that... He paid cash for some golf courses outside the US.
mircea_popescu: aaa