trinque: very cool on both counts. reading.
esthlos: i'll field and questions/criticism tomorrow, gotta run for now
esthlos: also want to say that above confusion was mostly misinterpretation of various comments on my part. not about what "v" is _now_, but on what was being asked of me
trinque: the communication gets easier the more you work it, so stick around
trinque: btw looks like missing definition of process-exit-code ?
trinque: I'd also like to see the cl-ppcre dependency drop (not only for the call out to quicklisp to obtain it)
trinque: the parsing here is pretty simple, oughta be able to implement without hauling in a big honking dep
trinque will digest more when he has a definition of process-exit-code
mircea_popescu: esthlos, people throwing their hands in despair over something [they thought] you said is always way the fuck preferable to people throwing up their hands in despair over something you did -- specifically because there's a lot more room to misinterpret what's said than what's done.
trinque: ah, sbclism. I'm on ccl over here. and looks like run-program's an undeclared dep on uiop
trinque: wise thing to do is muntz off these foreign entanglements. v needs to stand on its own as much as possible, and ever more so.
trinque: can implement a "run-program" of our own in here, implement for sbcl and ccl. I don't know that I've heard of anyone here using another.
trinque: I'm fine with helping. could take a crack at it tomorrow.
trinque: worth saying also that use of quicklisp is anti-v. it's a wad of packages some dude compiled, he's not in our WoT, no signatures on packages (last I checked), and to top it off, it hauls down foreign code and executes for you as a single op.
trinque: v doesn't import the imperial convenience idiocy. it eats the world from where it stands.
trinque: (think, when this is done, we have a basis for a vtronic lisp repository, aside a vtronic portage, and all the rest)
trinque: !!v 55614ADF1D52CD18F16C72676CC8FF0FE7C24F13662752368EDE17A2F082F05D
deedbot: trinque rated esthlos 1 << lisp vtronicist
trinque: ah maybe, can go in too. oughta be minimal crud, and clearly contained in one function. couple of whatever they call the implementation identifying macros.
mircea_popescu: o look, usg."prime minister" of pakistan got shot a little.
mircea_popescu: inb4 the next mosul lulz (aka "great success of barefoot negresses on the world diplomacy stage") will be the coallition capture of rebel islamabad.
mod6: How goes today BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: The productive cough is more productive, but at least the color is substantially improved
mod6: Ahh. Yeah, the good news of the bad news huh.
mod6: Still raining there?
mircea_popescu: not afaik ? ~this~ is the classical. the "black power" stuff is it with the colors swapped neh ? like "cocoa milk, in case you were getting bored with all milk beinbg white" marketing thing ?
mircea_popescu: but you can generally tell these all come from the same source the conceits of "racism" or "democracy" come from. because what the FUCK is "asian" even ? a notion similar to "ant".\
mircea_popescu: a degree of mental confusion roughly similar to calling people from ohio mexicans because you saw one in a hat once.
mircea_popescu: but srsly now, this whole "race" mental cockroach, especially when by "race" is meant things like "the nation of africa" (really bitch ? every saw a guy from senegal ?) or "asia" or whaterver the fuck is SO transparently a redditard's ploy to put the world through the juicer and get "just the facts" out, preferably in the same sort of ram buffer his middle school education required, which is four pictures and five bullet poin
mircea_popescu: really now, a 6 foot 5 dude that evolutionarily exists to outrun turkeys in flight ; a 4 foot pigmy that evolutionarily exists to fit comfortably under elephants and poke their belly with a spear from underneath and some fat government worker are "the nation of Africa" ? for the same money the average sex of mankind is rabbit.
mircea_popescu: cuz it's furry, see ? and it jumps around. LOGIC from the mothership.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 11:16 diana_coman: Framedragger, did you ever publish somewhere re the customs fee you had to pay for your fg(s)?
mircea_popescu: "Si usted desea ampararse en la franquicia para compras por internet de particulares uruguayos"
mircea_popescu: if you want to take advantage of the ... "right" to buy from local individuals (3 items per year)
mircea_popescu: "Si usted no desea utilizar uno de los 3 cupos que tiene con la franquicia para el año, dicho envío será liberado abonando impuestos."
mircea_popescu: if you don't so desire, item will be released upon payment.
mircea_popescu: by the time they're bringing out the "ampararse" and "franquicia" you know they're blowing bubbles out their ass.
mircea_popescu: batshit insane fucking system they got, incidentally. why not just make a govt amazon, force locals to use it if they don't wanna pay tax.
mircea_popescu: holy shit, the retards. not only are they ever going to use a "smart"phone to go on a website, they DON'T EVEN FUCKING KNOW HOW TO MAKE A WEBSITE ANYMORE.
mircea_popescu: local fermented beverages, how the fuck do i know what orcs trade.
mircea_popescu: (anyway, i'm mostly joking. THEY don't know how to speak their previous colonizer's language, and so they say "to buy from locals" when they mean "the buying of locals". w/e)
mircea_popescu: la franquicia para compras por internet de particulares uruguayos << the franchize for internet purchases FROM local private parties is the correct solution. but not only did they lift the bureaucratese, they lifted it wholesale, "de" now means "of" like english works, because why the fuck not, soberania.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, remember that time we needed like 100kgs worth of sheet metal profiles, ended up having to fly them over with white man's airship because local orcs can't bend metal along predetermined lines ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, because pouring concrete in matrices is like the height of white man's craft, not even black women i'm sorry, WOMEN OF AFRICA ever tried this with ground up mud and spitpies.
mircea_popescu: see, it's like an orc protection amulet, this. 1920 technology, what stalin sought to copy, is what orcs most fear.
mircea_popescu: i expect you actually own 100% of all computers ever shipped to uruguay. the rest is in extraterritorial zone.
mircea_popescu: i thought that's what they called secluded rapespots in the italian countryside.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, emc, ie "We have extended our commitment to #AI with the announcement of two new 4-socket servers, the PowerEdge R840 and the PowerEdge R940xa. Explore " ?
mircea_popescu: for the same money, wella extended its commitment to #AI with the announcement of two dozen new blonde hair dyes.
mircea_popescu: aha. or rather -- they're the funnel for which the nsa new development was even made.
mircea_popescu: big scandal in romania these days, btw, because "it turns out" that in 2005 the ustards exported their spy-on-citizens system they brought up online sometime post 2001, and the romanians of course used it to spy on, eg, members of the csat ("supreme council of defense", funny communist leftover item, after the soviet model). and you know, ex "generals" going to the media with "the cia boss, the fbi boss and the military attac
mircea_popescu: not that anyone in the know didn't know, the whole fucking deal is physical-space-for-prison in orcland for online-space-for-excell fuckery in empire imaginary virtualand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah but you see, "nobody reads trilema" hurr durr, it is a DISCOVERY in 2018. because "the press" hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: used to be a time when being a staff officer meant something. now it's mostly i-cant-believe-this-fuckwit-isnt-an-academic / oh-but-he-is.
mircea_popescu: do you have a 2nd person there in case you need anything ? the venezoelana or what was it ?
BingoBoingo: In the hostel, drinking water, and breathing much easier
BingoBoingo: Sitting, standing, walking in circles, and occasionally using the stairs.
mircea_popescu: oj, eh ? they have that delicious fresh pressed stuff, just the thing./
BingoBoingo: Nearly feeling good enough for a grocery run. Prolly going to get juice, blue cheese, and whatever the local equivalent of crackers is
BingoBoingo: Then tomorrow I appear with my paperwork at the Department of identity, then next Tuesday I pick up the Cedula.
BingoBoingo: A kilo or so of icecream will probably be involved somewhere along the way.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, in 8 days I get to use all of this bullshit tax stuff paid here to get my not-Obamacare. Optimistically if I only need the number and not the physical card I could see a doctor as soon as tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: Nah, but I also don't want to hand over cash if it can be avoid it. And the Urgency is substantially less than yesterday.
mircea_popescu: so make an appt ; doctor's visit is what, 50 bux, 100 if you're really going to the spa.
mircea_popescu: if the sulfa killed it it was definitely bacterial ; the whole "after rain" story is very streptoccocus. you don't want to end up with an entrenched infection, this is how people end up with lifelong sinusitis and other such unpleasantries.
mircea_popescu: mentioned in log, possibly what actually done Framedragger_ in, he went to talk to the shrews
mircea_popescu: but did he ever return no he never returned, he's the man in the mta...
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 14:50 Framedragger: i like my rc airplanes. "the will of history necessitates you to X" has a marx'ified hegelian vibe :p
mircea_popescu: it ~does~ have a vibe, which sure could be classified that way ; or any other way. "Πειθοῦς ἐστι κέλευθος - Ἀληθείῃ γὰρ ὀπηδεῖ - ἡ δ ́ ὡς οὐκ ἔστιν τε καὶ ὡς χρεών ἐστι μὴ εἶναι, τὴν δή τοι φράζω παναπευθέα ἔμμεν ἀταρπόν·" whartever.
mircea_popescu: what is is and necessarily is while what isn't isn't an' necessarily isn't.
mircea_popescu: time i recount a story, i suppose. here it is : "Subject: Ah, I remember now :D
mircea_popescu: You are the early BTC adopter and IIRC you were or had used DAO's findings/theft (whatever you call). I thought your name seemed familiar, but I do not always participate in the chatter. I was an early bitcoin adopter too. Then I got around to ethereum. Did a fun ICO -
http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/news/2147-2017kybernetwork-loiluu/ But near December last year, I donated the cash value of almost all of my bitcoins to Bill & Meli
mircea_popescu: nda Gates Foundation. Was not a whole lot. Less than a mil. I made a decent fortune from bitcoins for no reason. And they are doing some really cool projects for humanity. Love their work. I have been to quite a few of Richard Stallman's talks. But still not inspired enough to care so much about OSS. I like it, but I also understand the argument for not having OSS and making money off it. But you did a good thing there. so co
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, the trigger was me explaining why i'm not gonna use skype/discord, no matter what the fuck they do. apparently "daytime talk radio" was meanwhile supplanted by these mutual clucking devices they have. who the fuck knew in three short decades socialism will manage to take all the most obnoxious features of a marginal social phenomenon associated with wage slaves and turn it into a universal locus of youth.
mircea_popescu: at least their fathers knew listening to talk radio in the car was BECAUSE THEIR LIFE SUCKS. these schmucks listen to it in their "spare" time, and don't even go to the trouble of ~selecting~ a moron to uuhhh and aaahhh melifluously, no, any old dweeb will do.
mircea_popescu: yes, voip crapola. now think -- they have nothing to say to each other and 1 on 1 is "too much pressure" anyway, so they'd join channels, yes ?
ben_vulpes: standard cab driver tech for...decades?
mircea_popescu: there's a large (and good god vocal!) population on say fetlife, which is only there to steal the having been stolen from wrt sex. specifically, they're mental 12yos who are there to not have to notice they're entiurely asexual, "how could you think that of me, i'm here engaging in the exact sort of slut-in-training perisexual and cvasisexual behaviours typical of pubescence!". here, sampler : "Law_And_Chaos 26M Dom ah you se
mircea_popescu: em so very keen on slavery I wanted to offer you the chance to be a slave. I've seen a few posts about you asking people to be your slave, well you can be mine instead." "me : Any clue who you're talking to, gopnik ?" "him : couldn't give a damn who i'm talking to. The fact that most groups i'm part of are warning people about you tells me that you're not a good person."
mircea_popescu: imagine this fucking wonder, "not a good person". what the fuck happened in their heads, seriously, this is a drawback, being the guy your mom told you to stay clear of ? he;s going to do me disservice by running around "warning" the gals about how not good i am ?
mircea_popescu: this is not singular : fetlife is at least half by weight people who want a good pretext as to why they're not getting laid (community!) ; gaming is at least half by weight people who want a good pretext as to why they suck at video games (community!) and so on and so following. look at expert sex change in this vein, you'll discover a few things about the sort of questions asked and the placesd they come from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, have you seen the pics on trilema ever ?
mircea_popescu: the anus and the vulva are separated by a thin membrane by design ; this is what sophia thinks of our habits.
mircea_popescu: if you don't drill the shitpipe, how're you going to end up in cunt ?!
mircea_popescu: directly ?! what are you, like some kind of pervert ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, hard to count the sludge, see. what % of slag is diamonds ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, what do i count ? every girl my IA devices ever touched ? that'd be tens of millions, who knows, a billion. every girl in what, my girl's l1 ? l2 ? l which ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you're just being lazy with your funnel metrics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, consider however the 2nd order effects : i know how they think. can you imagine what that radicalurile could possibly serve ?
mircea_popescu: understand, it's very hard not to agree with me. takes a sort of determination towards idiocy most people lack.
mircea_popescu: dunno about the whole "people are fundamentally good and seeking the light" aristotelian optimism. however most people can't be arsed to do the stupid when it's obvious it'll be wasted effort.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and i'll bet you twentysomething tard dun even know what a gopnik is. and this ignorance does not worry him, "there's this scary not-good dood who said something i didn't even understand" somehow fails to carry the "today is the day you die" signal with it.
ben_vulpes: i'm still boggled that people appear to outgrow curiosity
☟︎ mircea_popescu: curiosity dies naturally, much like the ability to learn languages, or the ability to swim.
mircea_popescu: yes, it's inborn in humans. but in the apes we come from it ends within 18 months ; and in people it ends if not artificially maintained also.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they do, else they couldn't speak at all.
mircea_popescu: "curiosity" is the atrophied device of what language is learned with ; much like the adult tymus is what's left behind after the "mother's immune protein bank" in children.
mircea_popescu: but that's the fork : as times goes by, you either get good at fucking or you stop trying. as time goes on, curiosity either systematizes or dies.
mircea_popescu: in the sad results of the "modern democracy" child abuse rings, it dies.
BingoBoingo: Aite, the local version of crackers suck. Thankfully I picked up a garlic loaf. Split open and loaded with ALL the blue cheese and the white cheese, this might beat the half kilo of ice cream as the most decadent thing I have ate in Uruguay.
mircea_popescu: hey, perfectly respectable breakfast item, bread crust with cheeses and sour cream
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: we gotta get you a kitchen; no reason you should be buying crackers when you can recruit girls to do it for you
ben_vulpes: betcha street shit is riddled with thiamin and friends
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: That's actually the name on this Blue, "Queso Azul 'Friendship'"
BingoBoingo: Ah, the friendship is only sorta spready. Had to spackle over it with Brie
mircea_popescu: anyway, the above is a major point ben_vulpes is making. cooking at home is ~only way to get decent food in orclands w/o spending a benjie a plate sorta deal.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ave1 did you succeed building gnat on non-musl gentoo?
diana_coman: ave1, any chance you tweak that script so I can at least test it in stages rather than 3-4 hour all-or-nothing thing?
☟︎ a111: 2018-05-01 <ave1> before starting do: export MAKEFLAGS="-j32".
mod6: Sorry, meaning number popped
mod6: ah, hmm. We'll see I guess :]
mircea_popescu: there's many dozens of keys that are of dubious origin. who's to know.
mircea_popescu: if i know anything about esltards, it's that far FAR from "i made this so and so, here's the tool binary at the very least, if not source i compiled" they'll instead be "oh nothing happened".
mircea_popescu: it's how they handle their amorous life, finances, education, everything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i was discussing the dozen gpg generated, sks vintage keys that weren't divisible by 5.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what the standard you propose is, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: yes, the time when a key whose N is the product of two numbers nevertheless is discoveref to have factors other than the two prime numbers in question is, indeed, a most rapturous occasion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, as far as anyone knows, that's exactly where they came from.
mircea_popescu: indeed, there is no known, meaning anything can be the case.
mircea_popescu: you gotta mutilate ssh also to get it to spit out / use the 2k+ broken ssh keys ?
mircea_popescu: afaik this exact discussion ended in 2015 with the showing of how gpg will eat.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so the standard here is, "a key from the sks system which my gpg at home eats and which is nevertheless not prime and excepting A50591247C8E37A64117B74F78AB527059E13694 / B01584E9F6CB9E76DEA61E2A73786CA0F4EACC4F because reasons and with a special review clause for later on left blank atm" ?
mircea_popescu: the exact problem of "can't specify the denominator" problem discussed earlier.
mircea_popescu: anyway, honestly nfi what's so magical about gpg in your mind. they're just as rsa keys as the ssh set ; and just as debian, and etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-07 18:48 ben_vulpes: i'm still boggled that people appear to outgrow curiosity
mircea_popescu: but sure, i don't disagree, the more it finds the better.
mircea_popescu: in your mind, the chicken is spherical. in practice, the chicken you'd find would come with the usual gunk and mud the "average person" attaches to things. "oh, we were only joking/doing exercise/it's obvious this doesn't count" "oh we researched this and forgot to publish anything" bla bla bla. then the real chicken you found will seem insufficiently spherical to you just like all the others prior.
mircea_popescu: the debian scandal is unparallelable because for me it made the phase transition from "these are people" to "these are not people". similarily to how the blockchain genesis is more important than block x+1.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-02 01:17 mircea_popescu: phf reminds me of fucktard murdock "oh, we were first apple store"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, zx2c4 's "academics" or w/e you'd call them. the rubber chicken guzzlers, the conference goers, the code-of-conducted, the everyday cuck
mircea_popescu: how do you call them ? doods jammed in traffic on the information superhighway, listening to the atlantic talk radio show.
mircea_popescu: (innocent here being a way to denote the mentally simple)
mircea_popescu: men-in-tech, the modern man-at-war. wtf do you even call the scum
mircea_popescu: contrary to all the pretense, there's really 0 difference. "tech journalist" / "academic" / "entrepreneur" / whatever the fuck. i don't distinguish between the doubtless present and in-character very visible "sorts" and "kinds" of african garbage pickers trying to turn the refuse of a great civilisation that doesan't include them into some root paste or w/e they eat. you know for a fact they are so, because the various classe
mircea_popescu: s of london poor two centuries ago, depending as they were upon the continued feeding of the urban midden for their subsistence, DID classify, and a rag picker thought himself different from a bone monger or w/e.
mircea_popescu: very similarily, the pile of esltards trying to salvage the remains of french philosophy, british merchantship and spanish bigotry into some kind of whatever that'll get them through the night can not be fucking distinguished from outside ; nor really are functionally distinct. which is how "academics" denied tenure become either entrepreneurs or journalists, or rather both and indistinctly.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is even the difference between publish-or-perish-i and publish-or-perish-ii ?
mircea_popescu: not like any one among them has anything to say, or anything to contribute, or even has understood anything -- or even SAT DOWN with anything in an attempt, however cursory, to understand.
mircea_popescu: and if they ever did, a la bernstein, it does eventually get washed out.
mircea_popescu: i am not yet that advanced. as things stand right now, i can't even explain what'd be the morphological differences. at all.
mircea_popescu: i mean, the specialist will tell you ~something~. counts legs, counts hairs on legs, counts fucking something. then i can take what he said and apply it and not end up in a contradiction.
mircea_popescu: good luck with this fauna, i've not yet seen the wonder where classification was meaningful in any perspective.
mircea_popescu: and whenever classification fails, we know two things : one is that the subject is not worth the mention, hence why they're called "scum" and otherwise not considered ; and the other is that the subject is amorphous, like, exactly, scum.
mircea_popescu: the best model i can summon is indeed the
http://trilema.com/2016/the-eastern-rpg/ : there's a "mage" which has 4 spells which do a) 30 dmg + 5x to 1 target ; b) 15dmg + 7x to 1 target ; c) 5 dmg + 3x to 3 targets and d) 10 dmg + 10x to all targets provided a b or c were cast five times prior. then there's an... "assassin", whatever the fuck, paladin, electropostalist, metamicronicist, anything whatsoever -- which (importantl
mircea_popescu: y!) has 4 NOT!!!11-spells but something ENTIRELY-elses, which nevertheless do a) 30 dmg + 5x to 1 target ; b) 15dmg + 7x to 1 target ; c) 5 dmg + 3x to 3 targets and d) 10 dmg + 10x to all targets provided a b or c were cast five times prior.
mircea_popescu: what are they, aspirants to the "middle class" in the exact sense rednecks are aspirants to "the traditional family" and christians aspire to catholicism.
mircea_popescu: none of them will ever get what they seek, for what they seek a) never existed in the fragmentary, orcish way they represent it and b) existed when it did in a context which specifically requires, as an absolute necessity, their non-existence to exist. so....
mircea_popescu: rural mommies all over the soviet union prayed for their children to get "an office job" in the great new state being built ; and before the soviet union was invented the EXACT SAME women, physically identically the same notwithstanding the centuries in between them, were praying for at least one of their sons to be a priest. for the same exact reasons, escapism is fundamentally the losers' adaptation.
mircea_popescu: anyway, very much an open problem, of course. you never know, maybe someday someone actually comes up with some manner of classifying the scum into something.
mircea_popescu: but my expectation is that it'll be purely subjective, "i divide fire into good-useful fire (GUF) such as when i cook, insidious-noxious fire (INF) such as when my pregnant wife smokes and bad-terrible fire (BTF) such as when arson." the guf-inf-btf model is however not a fucking classification of fire.
BingoBoingo: And in the latest Pantsuit thrashings via WaPo on money laundering: "Not taking on debt from a regulated lender, in short, can remove an entire layer of scrutiny from the acquisition process."
BingoBoingo: From a piece butthurt Trump starting paying cash for some real estate purchases...
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever paid anything but cash or personal notes. wtf "lenders".
BingoBoingo: Well, this is Trump who powered his comedy through the 1990s on bankruptcy law
mircea_popescu: heh, he's not alone. the vegas strip was built out of junk bonds after all.
mircea_popescu: that whole fucking country exists out of bankruptcy law.
BingoBoingo: But apparently the controversy is that AFTER that... He paid cash for some golf courses outside the US.