mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently was around 3+years ago0 also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: physics crackpots often have heroic persistence. and long life. evidently good for health...
mircea_popescu: evidently.
mircea_popescu: "That was also my first interaction with a woman named Rachel, and we’ll get back to her later! Lot’s to cover here." bwahahaha i'm all ears
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of the things that never ceases to fascinate me re physics crackpots, is how rarely they grasp the sheer 'unreasonable effectiveness' of making ~political~ , rather than simply technical, cuts . ( observe, i dun need to read , much less attempt to individually refute, errything the strings people shit out -- for the same reason i dun need to read gavin's code . )
asciilifeform: !#s swanson debates
a111: 3 results for "swanson debates", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=swanson%20debates
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: (for expert entomologists only!) https://archive.fo/Nnvbl << choice turd, by associate of the infamous adelberger, re weber ( who was anathemized and 'unhappened' ) , even includes hair-raising passage re how 'generous and accepting the physics community was , to keep publishing him'
asciilifeform: 'Eric Adelberger, one if the leaders of the group, “found Weber’s experiment to be completely unconvincing and realized that with a modest effort we could test his claim” (private communication).'
asciilifeform: ( does this remind you of anything... )
asciilifeform: !#s eotvos
a111: 30 results for "eotvos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=eotvos
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very true. kinda why we;re even here, "helpless as blind kittens" very much a thing in "technical" cucks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: time passes, the coat of chrome , stolen from the respectables of the past, on the cuckitude, wears thinner , erry time i read something by these people, amazed at sheer wtf
asciilifeform: ( speaking here of the drowning-water suppliers , i.e. the adelbergers, rather than the blind kittens )
asciilifeform: how did it go, 'the master won't give you the tools with which to demolish his house', etc
mircea_popescu: was re <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one of the things that never ceases to fascinate me re physics crackpots, is how rarely they grasp the sheer 'unreasonable effectiveness' of making ~political~ , rather than simply technical, cuts
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: anyway, as to the substantive matter, it's pretty well established by now that gravity, if indeed mediated, is not mediated by something that readily assumes a wave form.
mircea_popescu: light, by comparison, is indeed mediated, and by something that somewhat readily does assume wave form (take the overlapping-mosquito-nets-over-sun experiment to trivially see this). \
mircea_popescu: the one remaining fundamental (magnetism) is mediated by something so fucking ready to take wave frorm it was in fact discussed as a wave from the get go, and supported the early understanding of the item that later turned out to be a fundamental manifestation of interaction mediators (teh wave).
mircea_popescu: hence all the iron filings "experiments".
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/VPdlH#selection-183.0-183.292 << pretty lulzy earlier stuff from the same tienzengong thing. "how ?!" well how the fuck fucking how, doh. all of pantsuit's in there, neh.
mircea_popescu: "Second, now theory develops into a FAMILY theories. When one member of the family is killed, the survival members will quickly mutate to accommodate the killing data, such as M-string theory, SUSY, multiverse and the inflation scenarios. That is, the Popperianism is now totally USELESS."
mircea_popescu: this is not even a weak observation.
mircea_popescu: http://www.chineselanguageforums.com/small-story/tienzen-s-family-t151.html << for the curious. fellow is the adult in 1st pic.
asciilifeform: lulzily enuff, found $subj during dig for whether anybody ever built a uwb antenna for hf ( 0-30MHz ). ( spoiler : nobody, publicly, as It Would Be Wrong (tm)(r) per hitler decree )
mircea_popescu: ah, all the lulzy polarization arrays they've been doing ?
mircea_popescu: you know it's like, 5th installment iirc just got brought up a few years ago
asciilifeform: usg phased array radar ? they're uwb, yes, but for >10GHz
mircea_popescu: i mean, the "gravity wave" folk keep doing these large arrays to "observe" whatever.
asciilifeform: afaik the only inca empire that built one for hf was su, and it fell victim to chernobyl incident ( ruin is still there )
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BICEP_and_Keck_Array << here we go
mircea_popescu: "BICEP3 consists of a single telescope with the same 2560 detectors (observing at 95 GHz) as the five-telescope Keck array, but a 68 cm aperture [...] began collecting data on 15 May 2016."
asciilifeform: not clear to me how these are meant to work on earth surface -- ionosphere randomly repolarizes
asciilifeform: ( i suppose they work a+++ for the intended purpose -- printolade vacuum , dissertation mint )
mircea_popescu: "south pole". it's magical in that they can "eliminate that by models"
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: exactly as you say : great way to feed a fambly.
mircea_popescu: hey, it works well for the "earth sciences" fucks.
asciilifeform: ( the ionosphere thing, btw, isn't exactly nsa seekrit, even the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825757 folx know it )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 16:47 asciilifeform surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc
asciilifeform: iirc subj is even touched in the ceremonial 'exam' usg makes'em take to buy 'license' (to spew rubbish into designated leprosoriae bands )
mircea_popescu: il patende di botana!
mircea_popescu: meh
mircea_popescu: il patente di botana!
asciilifeform: wassat
asciilifeform: lemme guess, mussolinic version of subj ?
mircea_popescu: eh, line from obscure movie ; unfaithful wive explains "how it happened", "i was going to get my license [meaning, driving license]" and husband asks "the whore patent ?"
asciilifeform: ha
mircea_popescu: sicilian dialect. putana, whore
asciilifeform guessed
asciilifeform: tho there's a lulzy false cognate in modern ru, ботан ( orig short 'botanist' ) but in effect learned fool, 'dweeb'
mircea_popescu: in ro "botanista" (always a girl) denotes the cheap whore that sucks you off in the bushes. (yes, whoredom is stratified, doh.)
mircea_popescu: it's amusingly cognatish, because russian botan, and also "bot" (muzzle) directly referencing the activity, and then of course, botanics.
mircea_popescu: it's not even fucking clear which pathway it took.
asciilifeform: of course stratified. just as errybody has 'medic', 'nurse', 'surgeon', 'pharmacist', for various aspects of medical trade, wai not whores
mircea_popescu: just about, actually.
asciilifeform: rounding off the uwb thread, for the l0gz : the antennae are the only nontrivial part. given as you do not actually need the sub-nanosecond pulses that are the subj of the 9000 dissertations littering the net, if you dun intend to kowtow to the 'fcc uwb regulatory' crapola.
mircea_popescu: probably very thin silver is the way to go ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tricky bit is shape, rather than material ( and for quarter-wave , you need a 2-3 metre on the wide end thing )
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1owCvKpXXXXXmXVXXq6xXFXXX1/Antrad-10-directional-UWB-antenna-6-8.jpg << 6GHz item, pocket-sized. not so simple to scale up, 2x2metre pcb is not off the shelf item )
asciilifeform: the useful lit, turns out, is 1910s stuff, from age of 'spark gap'.
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: 1 interesting aspect is that the 'correctness' of the antenna dun matter nearly so much as it does in conventional 'periodic' radio -- for so long as the 2 ends of the rx-tx have similar ones
asciilifeform: could almost say it is 'cipher key', of sorts
mircea_popescu: prolly best move then is to identify corresponding standard item.
mircea_popescu: "transmission rod", w/e.
asciilifeform: quite interesting, imho, problem , in that virtually errything written since 1910s is ~entirely inapplicable ( as it concerns tuned/narrowband systems )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's the lulzy part, the 'standard items' pretty much guaranteed not to work, they're built to be used in resonant (single-freq, or at least quite narrow band) system
mircea_popescu: nono. i mean, standard item used in some other application that works for this one.
asciilifeform: aaa
asciilifeform: yes
mircea_popescu: "so and so rebar"
mircea_popescu: "so and so copper fitting"
asciilifeform: tho conceivably a correct triangle of ordinary hf antenna wire, worx .
asciilifeform: ( the 1910s item, was approx kite-shaped )
asciilifeform: generally you dun need anyffing nearly as solid as rebar, unless yer pumping 10s of kW into the thing
mircea_popescu: cheap and easily disguised.
asciilifeform: thin wires ditto
mircea_popescu: true.
asciilifeform: ( plenty of hf antennae in orcistans masquerade as clotheslines )
asciilifeform: lulzily, found usg's : https://archive.fo/JRjdJ << they ripped their scheme directly from the planar variant in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837192☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 19:21 asciilifeform: oh almost forgot, for thread-completeness : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837154 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/astanin_kostylev.djvu << for the serious aficionado.
mircea_popescu: the word is "rediscovered".
asciilifeform: the height of the plastic insulators suggests that they're throwing a coupla kV across it ( for 5-10kW of output )
asciilifeform: hilarious little bit of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835417☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
asciilifeform: nobody bothered to sit down and try and derive, etc, they evidently went 'let's crib from ancient su lore', without skipping a beat
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in markov chainlulz, "About me
mircea_popescu: We are the Pinay Tigresses which means that we are all pure Filipinas and are experienced Dommes living in Manila. We are into D/s not bs so we expect, no DEMAND, respect."
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837147 <-- gah, sorry for the abstruseness. more explicitly: the bot goes through each line in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_expr.txt and if it finds one for which the query is a substr of the entry, it displays the definition. not very effective, it's intended as a very simple (<100 lines of code) demo for next trilemabot patch. but imho there's room for improving it even without adding google☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 16:52 hanbot: ah, okay. i misread as gt test run.
spyked: translate support.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837150 <-- the trade-off for this property is that none of the outputs is guaranteed to be useful (let alone correct). whereas for human-curated db, answer (if found) at least makes some sense, even if not exactly what the user is looking for.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 16:53 mircea_popescu: spykedbot well, the google translate approach is dubious at best, but at least ~it handles all inputs~. this is an important property.
mircea_popescu: tru.
spyked: to pop another arbitrary example: "taie frunza la caini" is directly translated as "cuts leaves to dogs". dunno if this makes any sense to native en speakers, but on the other hand "lazes about" or "is a neet" is immediately understood, especially in context.
spyked: !S frunza la caini
spyked: !S ro-en frunza la caini
spykedbot: No entries found for frunza la caini.
spyked: meh. yeah, spykedbot dict not very useful atm.
spyked: !S frunza la ciini
spyked: !S ro-en frunza la ciini
spykedbot: a taia frunza la ciini, -- a sta cu miinile/ bratele incrucisate: to sit on one's hands
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837152 <-- ohhh yeah, /me remembers the three days of ai megapiece. I'll put this in teh queue. even a simple heuristic, e.g. ranking entries by number of matching words and displaying the one with the highest score, would be better than current dumb search. seems like a good middle point between exact matching and "statistical learning".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 16:54 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, fwih lisp is exactly ideal for this sort of tokenize-and-replace job. cuz ai and everything right ?
mircea_popescu: spyked the "is a neet" thing suggests some merging with http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/
spyked: word. some republican terms/exprs oughta make perfect translations.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-23#1837426 << aha, thing uses pre-natoization orthography ( not asciilifeform's doing, it is as i found it , as chronicled in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 and in l0gz )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-23 10:24 spykedbot: a taia frunza la ciini, -- a sta cu miinile/ bratele incrucisate: to sit on one's hands
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz, /therealbitcoin.org: (70001) << wtf ?
diana_coman: eulora server is happily compiling on proto-cuntoo with ave1's gnat+gcc; all tests passed so far, LOC greatly reduced too, loads of shit cleaned away and discarded; we are looking forward to move it to production, so any eta for cuntoo?
asciilifeform: ( i'ma guess pete_dushenski )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: oh hey neato
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc all that remains for trinque to do re cuntoo is to integrate ave1's gnat into portage; and properly mirror the tarballs
asciilifeform: but lessee what trinque says.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yep, will wait to see what trinque says
diana_coman is happy but still poking at eulora server on proto-cuntoo as it's almost suspiciously...working!
trinque: diana_coman: glad to hear your success with it. what's left on my end is to smash the gentoo profile we're using into a single dir. you can find these at /usr/portage/profile , which weighs about 20mb iirc.
trinque: the "profile" is a giant wad of optionality about global portage state. I think the right move to make the portage-tree genesis as small as possible is to select *one* thing from the optionality, and then re-introduce options atop that as we see fit (for arm support, for example)
diana_coman: trinque, that sounds the right approach to me
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: in other news, s.mg is definitely issuing warrants for trinque & ave1
mircea_popescu: aand meanwhile in chick farm news, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/D7aSZ/?raw=true
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/bitcoin-knots-restored-as-the-default-upstream-ebuild.html << shinohai endorses prb...
asciilifeform: ( for bonus lulz : luke_jr's variant . )
asciilifeform: !Q later tell shinohai really, prb??
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform mildly curious what the man has to say for himself, will give him coupla days before re-rating
BingoBoingo: Serious WTF
asciilifeform: a+++ trololol, eh. i'm almost surprised he didn't go with the shitforks, for extra spice.
BingoBoingo: Well, going for a hash fork would be an obvious troll
asciilifeform: iirc Funkenstein remains the unbeaten recordsman there ( operated, at least at 1 point, a shitfork based on cribbed trb )
BingoBoingo: Ah, the bonercoin
asciilifeform: i fughet exactly what. iirc was something so monumentally braindamaged that nobody in his right mind would take seriously even as joke ( had, e.g. decaying coins )
asciilifeform: then again forkologists are generally harmless idjits ( in effect give away btc for phree ) , while prb purveyors actively aid & comfort the enemy
trinque: thanks mircea_popescu; glad to see it working out.
mircea_popescu: teh herd of independent minds.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where was that woodchipper trilema
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/ ?
asciilifeform: ah, found http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ << subj
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: as mr oover pointed out, http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/#selection-2881.666-2881.724
asciilifeform: in ru sphere great term for this type of 'independent', незалежная [Украина] , actual ukr word, but has taken on this specific flavour in erryday conv
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: will admit, the only psychiatric model that makes half a sense to asciilifeform , re subj, is 'i'ma put hand in woodchipper to spite mother, that'll show' etc
mircea_popescu: seems suffiicent.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/copyrasts-pushing-for-prosecutions-over-vote-outcome/ << Qntra - Copyrasts Pushing For Prosecutions Over Vote Outcome