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lobbes: lol, this guy's great >> "SHAZAM! We have lift-off. Foxybot’s jukin' and jivin' and building those claims. Make me dat money, daddy’s gotta make a livin'!"
lobbes: !!v DC4E0FBA6D9385F38119FBF7E8D029ABC1881FFB3D3886D39E520ED63068D2F4
deedbot: lobbes rated Mocky 1 << newblood^rad; does things, keeps blog
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815228 years ago there were sites that would crack a windows login for you if you paste in the hash. rainbow tables I expect. It would take about 10 seconds most of the time, but they made you wait 3 days. Or get it now for a price. Not sure if that appeals☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-18 01:56 asciilifeform: if other folx have thought re subj -- plox to write in.
Mocky: not quite the same idea, but maybe it triggers a line of thought
Mocky: reading the logs - I'm trying to understand how 'kalash' is being used here. I don't see it in http://trilema.com/2016/republican-thesaurus-with-vocabulary-and-dictionary/ maybe it's a common thing I just haven't heard of. The use seems consistent with https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kalash
Mocky: and with http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-11#1321780 but it seems like you are using it for more and I can't tell if it's "minimal weapon that lets you climb out of swords and spear warfare" or if its "battle tested solidly reliable"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-11-11 04:55 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/205fc2394e3169753298a37dfdaf8032/tumblr_n71q0qKyOs1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg
Mocky: and also 'inca' is that like "group thinks they are a pinnacle-of-the-world civ but about to get wiped out" or just like "spear chuckers" ?
lobbes: more the former
lobbes: current decaying empire of socialisms
Mocky: ok, i can see it
Mocky: I'm also curious if fuckgoats had its name inspired by the ascent of alfred
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: Mocky: I don't remember a settled term for spear chuckers. Kalash's are sufficiently in circulation that literal spear chucking isn't much of a thing anymore. We do rip on societies here that remain pre-spearchucking in development like the Italians though.
BingoBoingo: mornin' mod6
mod6: how goes today?
BingoBoingo: Not too bad. The sky is doing that thing where it gets the ground wet, stops, and then wets the ground just as it is about to dry.
mod6: Ah, sure. Doin kinda the same here.
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah. today is not a day for balcony computing.
mod6: maybe between pissings there'll be a chance to walk on the beach later, get ya outside a bit.
BingoBoingo: It's possible. I picked up an impermeable jacket so drizzle isn't a problem
mod6: Ah ok yeah, best to stay dry so you get rid of that cold.
BingoBoingo: Irony of ironies, Thursday and Friday when I was enrolling in the healthcare association were the days where the cold/bronchitis/pneumonia had crossed the line into feeling over with.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, btw, i'm curious : has your fish friend figured out the "He admits he cannot name one other Christian leader outside his own little band of followers—anyone who has lived in the two millennia between the death of the last apostle and the advent of Darwin Fish—who has remained faithful to the truth." bla bla bla "criticism" is very strictly a http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22there+was+a+limit+where+the+fla
mircea_popescu: unting+of+their+foul+acts+and+opinions+before+the+world+must+stop%22 ploy, ie, "pick a mommy among our number, and we'll produce where she says you're notgood.jpg" ?
mircea_popescu: seems very transparently the issue to me.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815467 << kalash, short for the ak-47, denotes a cheap and effective weapon. it is specifically designed for effective mass production ; and to whitstand intensive field use in burst mode. whenever an item has the "task at hand and no shits given" spirit, it stands the kalash metaphore.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 03:49 Mocky: reading the logs - I'm trying to understand how 'kalash' is being used here. I don't see it in http://trilema.com/2016/republican-thesaurus-with-vocabulary-and-dictionary/ maybe it's a common thing I just haven't heard of. The use seems consistent with https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kalash
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815470 << inca was the first slave empire. (here, "slave" is the republican term of art, not the imperial term of art. it denotes something akin to "everyone living in socialism" or "the products of a bureaucratic state", the guys populating 1984.)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 03:53 Mocky: and also 'inca' is that like "group thinks they are a pinnacle-of-the-world civ but about to get wiped out" or just like "spear chuckers" ?
mircea_popescu: look up its history sometime, it's instructively amusing. (no, "progress" and "change" and blablabla avatars of rooseveltian socialism aren't in any sense NOVEL. they're fucking ancient, reversion to pre-literate society.)
mircea_popescu: but yes, they thought they're the bees' knees', got wiped by the ~marginal~ elements of an onslaught. they weren't even fucking central.
mircea_popescu: much like europe nearly drowned in the mongol invasion ; but europe very much wasn't inca, but polar opposite.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815474 << afaik it predates that.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 04:14 Mocky: I'm also curious if fuckgoats had its name inspired by the ascent of alfred
mircea_popescu: it certainly predates the chick showing up here
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563132 << check it out, first log mention of fg is nov 5th 2016 ; fwicd the alfred thing was early now 2016. THE THEORY CAN NOT BE READILY DISPELLED!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-05 15:08 hanbot: "S.NSA is expected to realise operating revenue next period." << exciting bonbon in this month's s.nsa report. if FUCKGOATS didn't knock one's tongue out, anyway.
mircea_popescu: aanyway; there's a buncha alfreds in the logs ( http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=alfred ), including http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473532 ; but it'd seem the republic only heard of the item in question in 2017 : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-16#1671175☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 04:14 mircea_popescu: didn't alfred wainwright invent nude fell walking ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-16 23:00 asciilifeform: asciilifeform notices that his desk has an uncanny resemblance to the one in 'ascension of alfred'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815476 << what's wrong with http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chukcha / http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chuka / whatever (apparently i cnat spael).☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 15:19 BingoBoingo: Mocky: I don't remember a settled term for spear chuckers. Kalash's are sufficiently in circulation that literal spear chucking isn't much of a thing anymore. We do rip on societies here that remain pre-spearchucking in development like the Italians though.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772980☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 02:45 asciilifeform: 'chukcha wrote a book. we open the book: pg 1: 'man got on a horse.' pg . N : 'man got off horse' pg . 2 .. N-1 : 'tgdyk, tgdyk, tdgyk...' '
asciilifeform: iirc the convo was approx : asciilifeform : it's ready, nao what should we call it mircea_popescu : how about FUCKGOATS asciilifeform : loox good, let's
asciilifeform: i dun recall the string being in 'alfred' tho
mircea_popescu: was it mine ? in that case absolutely not related, i definitely only heard of the alfred thing after you said something.
asciilifeform: i saw 'alfred' full yr+ later, iirc
mircea_popescu: anyway. the ~idea~ was to name it something that'll make it impossible for the idiots to ~even think about it~.
asciilifeform: incidentally whatever happened to that chix.
jurov: !Q later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HjOig/?raw=true
lobbesbot: jurov: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: which ftr it managed superbly well.
asciilifeform: the film imho was notbad, and then she even showed up here and said ~nothing substantial, and then fell again through the floor
mircea_popescu: actually, she got excited, was gonna help the boys get out of idiocy, but then she didn't manage and never came back.
Mocky: i thought it was a stretch but alfred at timecode ~5:00 is the only other place i can remember seeing the term
mircea_popescu: not sure why, not like i specifically expected her to be successful. they're where they are because not very intelligent, not for other reasons.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i seem to recall there was somebody who bought a few units and tried to resell with some name of his own making ( pete_dushenski ? ) and didn't seem to help him. so magic is not only in the name, it seems
mircea_popescu: Mocky, no, actually, it's common term as term. http://btcbase.org/log/2012-09-06#-279203 http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-22#429483 etc etc☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2012-09-06 19:10 Chaang-Noi: im a goat mother fuckers!
a111: Logged on 2013-12-22 18:53 asciilifeform: 'you fuck one goat...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there was some proposal to shadow the name, but it got rejected. basically pete_dushenski spent a few months doing the entire http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813477 thing himself, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651459☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 14:11 mircea_popescu: well, why not kick him while he's down. so, ben_vulpes , do you understand the meaning of "They know how to work those" in http://trilema.com/2013/attention-cunt/#selection-37.37-37.64 ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 20:04 mircea_popescu: dude, just call. nevermind the "questions" and rest of the crap. spend 1/10 of the time you frittered away already "on" this to call, write up your report, "i, pete d, aspiring to one day lordship, spent 8 hours today cold calling. i managed a total of 76 calls, which would get me fired from the average call center but hey, i'm new. these 76 calls went to so and so, here's the script, here's why i ammended it and when, here's
asciilifeform: ha, seems as if Mocky did find a 'fuckgoats', http://www.loper-os.org/pub/aoa_fg.jpg
mircea_popescu: there's this big great temptation to "prepare", like getting up a website, finding a new name, doing a WHOLE lot of adolescentine http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563435 masturbation.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 17:27 mircea_popescu: of course, most of this "money" isn't much more substantial than the imaginary fortunes of adolescents cycling through their fantasy business career after fapping and pre falling asleep.
mircea_popescu: the problem with it is how very fucking feminine it is. IT IS THE GIRLS!!!! that are supposed to spend hours in the mirror with the colored things, "getting ready", all the while mulling over in their mind how they're getting raped later on and how it'll go and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i hadn't even noticed that. i dun think i ever actually watched it that far in. srsly Mocky, it's a somewhat common term in hacker culture. esp the ru set.
mircea_popescu: ie, i didn't ~invent~ it, i simply went through my lateral vocabulary picked something.
asciilifeform: i also did not notice fwiw until he pointed where in the film.
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing words, might also propose the great "butaforie" (ru бyтaфopия).
asciilifeform: ha i had nfi this existed in ro
Mocky: oh i believe. not really up on my hacker culture
mircea_popescu: it's like a reverse metaphore!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in ro it's approx "papier mache" in the direct. ie, indistinct glue and crap used to make cheap theatrical decors.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: бyтaфopия typically refers to a physical accessory of a sham, in the movie set / potemkin village sense
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815489 << all of this so, and with a side dollop of 'withstands abuse, incl. irregular/nonexistent maintenance'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 16:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815467 << kalash, short for the ak-47, denotes a cheap and effective weapon. it is specifically designed for effective mass production ; and to whitstand intensive field use in burst mode. whenever an item has the "task at hand and no shits given" spirit, it stands the kalash metaphore.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, incidentally, where have you been keeping yourself ? you're the strangest mix, windows head on one hand, not even cursorily cognizant of the many different small fixes to that problem, nevertheless http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815460☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-18 22:24 mircea_popescu: "This is not a guide to a correct Eulora build on Windows. It’s the story of how someone did it while knowing virtually nothing about the tools, language or project. For all I know, it’s the worst way to do it that ends up working. " << i really like how this dood's mind is organized.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815491 << notably, earliest (afaik) kolhoz. i.e. 100% tax on crop followed by palace redistribution.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 16:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815470 << inca was the first slave empire. (here, "slave" is the republican term of art, not the imperial term of art. it denotes something akin to "everyone living in socialism" or "the products of a bureaucratic state", the guys populating 1984.)
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you're aware, but such a thing isn't even supposed to be possible, and certainly not likely. so what do you do for a living ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, well, certainly the first pretentious. lots and lots of stone soups in the history of human poverty.
mircea_popescu: a right right, i forgot that part! kalash == maitenance is an act of love and devotion, not a matter of necessity. this is deeper than it sounds, consider this recent exchange : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQRtP/?raw=true
asciilifeform: exactly so
mircea_popescu: it's an important fucking difference, "maintenance -- when i want ; not when it's needed. it's never needed". this is very much a male ideal, viz both the eastern ( http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-93.458-93.517 ) and the western ( http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-87.64-99.1 ). this all follows from men being, well... http://trilema.com/2016/a-complete-theory-of-politics/#sel
mircea_popescu: ection-63.0-63.47
asciilifeform: not so many current-day examples of this type of thing, afaik; but imho FG qualifies
asciilifeform: ( incidentally if anybody did a loving diehard etc massage and it isn't linked from http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html , plz write in )
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, what we're ~even fixing~ about computers is EXACTLY this : god damned, maintenance ? the whole "please upgrade" bs started exactly when the female worldview became socially acceptable.
mircea_popescu: how about instead of making the female worldview the male mental default and physical females socially unacceptable, we go about the other fucking way around! LIKE SANE PEOPLE!
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell jurov http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QodBe/?raw=true
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 29 minutes ago: <jurov> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HjOig/?raw=true
Mocky: re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815544 I've had my head up my own ass for so long I wonder where I've been keeping myself as well. I believed in a lot of things built a life on that, god, marriage, mortgage, best usa, being 'good citizen'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 17:09 mircea_popescu: Mocky, incidentally, where have you been keeping yourself ? you're the strangest mix, windows head on one hand, not even cursorily cognizant of the many different small fixes to that problem, nevertheless http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815460
Mocky: got to reading some lesswrong stuff, made me think, eventually i rememberd how to think and realized i based my life on bullshit, so i blew it all up
Mocky: for a living, well i wasn't good enough to sling dope, so i became a java programmer
Mocky: i hate windows and i hate linux. end up using windows more since need for my job
Mocky: i wont touch a mac, so lets not even go there
douchebag: I love my Macbook Pro
mircea_popescu: java huh.
Mocky: i used to teach java for sun microsystems long ago
mircea_popescu: well, "lesswrong" included. dood's checked all the checkboxes. recovery should have been impossible, if one credits the "merituous recovery" theory of recovery.
Mocky: hey i'm not an evangelist of it, but at least it has an actual spec, coherent memory model and thread model. but if i have to write one more corporate java web app imma choke
mircea_popescu: nobody said the devil doesn't have a nice, thick, pleasant penis. the problem with the devil isn't that EVERYTHING is wrong.
Mocky: i read yudkowski and liked, went to less wrong 'community' and was bunch of tards ingrouping the hell out of eachother
Mocky: i even liked his harry potter fan fic, at least better than actual harry potter
mircea_popescu: what did you like ? my knowledge is limited (by disinterest) and centered on his (very "romanian blogger"-like) failure to conceptualize / engage http://trilema.com/2015/the-harry-potter-challenge/
mircea_popescu: dude's become a bit of a laughingstock here, after that.
Mocky: his writing had for me a flavor of what i would now say is: (read in logs here can't find now) "stop being so fucking stupid for one goddammed minute"
Mocky: yeah he sounded so smart and clear thinking, but in the end ,spoiler alert, cryogenics and save the world from evil ai, wtf!
Mocky: speaking of plot twists, pretty surprised by the Ada usage. I pictured usg.DOD-design-by-committee lang commissioned to help build out the chumpatronic-mass-programmer infrastructure for gov contracts. I guess it's time to reevaluate my priors.
asciilifeform: Mocky: funnily enuff, it was resisted ( by lockheed et al, the whole golden toilet 'industry' ) from ~day1, and is pretty much dead in usgdom ( with respect to new contracts ) , the brass began to succumb to 'use cpp + massmarket programmertards + these-here-fancy-auditing-toolz-that-totally-work-we-promise in 1990 or so)
asciilifeform: afaik boeing's passenger craft division is the last major usgdom holdout where still used
asciilifeform: ( folx-on-the-periphery-of-l1 : might be a good use of coupla hrs to dredge the logs for 'why ada' material that could point n00bz to, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682480 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:16 asciilifeform: the other thing to remember, is that the win from writing in ada - but not in ada in general, but the style demonstrated in ffa in particular -- remains even if YOU HAVE NO ACCESS TO GNAT and gotta compile by hand into asm. because it forces the style of algo that CAN be safely so expressed - i.e. without presumption of pointerolade arithmetic, gc, or other cost-externalizing electrosocialisms
asciilifeform: !#s bounds checked
a111: 9 results for "bounds checked", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bounds%20checked
asciilifeform: ^ a notbad place to start from.
Mocky: i'll have a look at that
asciilifeform: Mocky: it was the one item left standing when asciilifeform went methodically through list of all known prog langs , and crossed off anything that didn't : bounds-check, operate free of gc, produce compact binaries for e.g. microcontrollers, support all major cpu archs , have written standard.
asciilifeform: the closest runner-up contender was standard ml, but it demands a ~MB-sized runtime , and imposes gc , nobody is ever stuffing it into 32kB.
asciilifeform: ( it also failed on http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#815513 condition )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-08-30 01:55 asciilifeform generally believes that safety-critical code must be written in such a way that auditor can see a tight correspondence between every line and what machine physically does. note that this doesn't entail 'use C!' but can also mean different machine.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-13#1017692 << iirc the 1st ada thread here☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-02-13 23:03 asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu would actually like ada. not writing it, mind you, but seeing it written
Mocky: asciilifeform, I must to confess to having been a reader of your blog years ago for a short time. but you seemed so bitter about the state of hardware and future prospects. maybe just my perception.
asciilifeform: Mocky: hardware is in an ever more dire state, than before, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806757 , 0 progress afaik anywhere at all on the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806521 front☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 21:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in ~factory~ machinery, afaik the trend's been quite the opposite ( small manufacturers of ic existed in 1970s by the thousand, in 1980s -- by the hundred, today -- gone. )
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 16:16 asciilifeform: ( for the sake of thread-completeness, what would the ~alternative~ to this story look like? i suggest -- it'd be a process which does to ic fab what 'polaroid' process did to colour photography. find way of etching the circuit from prefab 'sandwich' without caustic baths, sputtering, etc... )
asciilifeform: nao, there ~is~ today something that there wasn't 5y ago, which is the properly-reversed fpga :
asciilifeform: !#s ice40
a111: 46 results for "ice40", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ice40
asciilifeform: unfortunately you can't build much of a comp from it, on account of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 20:06 asciilifeform: in other 'news', it is apparently impossible to fit even ONE 4096-bit adder into an ice40-8k ( the largest in the series )
asciilifeform: aaaand 1) nobody makes larger homogeneous fpga 2) is likely to ever ; see thread http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769061 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 17:00 asciilifeform: so yes, the only reason why anybody sells ice and 95xx -like 'sea of gates' at all, is that for 'glue' (simple boolean functions of signals, for e.g. bus decoding, addressing, simple i/o multiplexing) is that you can't actually do it reliably with the non-seaofgates devices
Mocky: I have had an interest in working on hardware for the past few years. Not in the 'make ic fab' sense, but just like 'know how to make something'. But I haven't known where to start. Not super juiced to drop some python on a raspberry pi and consider myself a 'maker'
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710095 << moar thread, for the curious n00b )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 19:42 asciilifeform: phf: let's start with the gate count
asciilifeform: Mocky: is english your favourite language to read in ?
Mocky: I'm more interested in the EE side, ie actually knowing enough about the physical machine to be said auditor: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#815513☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-08-30 01:55 asciilifeform generally believes that safety-critical code must be written in such a way that auditor can see a tight correspondence between every line and what machine physically does. note that this doesn't entail 'use C!' but can also mean different machine.
asciilifeform: Mocky: if it is, start with one forrest mims
Mocky: english yes
asciilifeform: ( author of children's books on electronics )
asciilifeform: after mims, find horowitz & hill's 'the art of electronics'
asciilifeform: and get breadboard, a bag of parts from a dead man's estate sale, start building simple things.
Mocky: ok, thx
mircea_popescu: Mocky, the empire of evil started as the republic of men.
Mocky: how so?
mircea_popescu: the switch only happened recently. the exact date is debatable, perhaps http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ ; certainly the taq would be 2001.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, you'll hafta ask a better question than that.
Mocky: on a different note, i see this Boneh fellow, is all over the logs. I think this is the same guy i took a video class coarsera "crypto 101' 18 months ago
mircea_popescu: possibly ; he's not unknown.
asciilifeform: !#s boneh
a111: 31 results for "boneh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boneh
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
mircea_popescu: thatg's what he was saying lol.\
asciilifeform: lol apparently i missed a line
mircea_popescu: (taq, btw, = terminus ante quem. upper time bound)
asciilifeform: Mocky: boneh is example of a not-entirely-talentless maths d00d who , for whatever reason, joined enemy camp as a professional fifth columnist in open-publication academia , rather than nsa in-house
Mocky: i dont' recall seeing taq before, is that latin?
mircea_popescu: yes.
Mocky: my high school latin fails me then
mircea_popescu: i just explained it lol.
Mocky: failed to look familiar even after explanation
mircea_popescu: taq/tpq : limit up to / from which something is measured ; there's also terminus a quo / terminus ad quem, but i don't like them because confusing to non-latin speakers.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, so we know you've not spent any considerable time in the field between literary theory and hermeneutics, however you'd call it. "advanced reading".
Mocky: i suppose i haven't
mircea_popescu: in summary : comprehension of a text permits two approaches, one constructive and the other historical. if you approach it constructively, a text means the most it possibly can, irrespective of any auctorial considerations. it is from this school that we have eg, the theory of value in art, whereby "art are those texts that continue to mean after their context was extinguished". if you approach it historically, a major concer
mircea_popescu: n in the reduction of the tree of "what could the author possibly have meant" built on first pass is "what was author aware of". a direct way to bruteforce this problem is to look at dates -- exactly like we did above re FG question. if you'll look at dates, they become essentially the equivalent of the set limits in set theory -- and it is thereby you know the historical approach is intellectually valid -- it permits a const
mircea_popescu: ructive explanation of itself, making it meaningful in the alternative view.
mircea_popescu: (ie, the constructive read theory of the legitimacy of the historical read would be, "it reproduces the structure of set theory without explicitly importing the priors, therefore it's valid". or something in that vein.)
Mocky: I have not read many historical texts. i think i've become too accustomed to being around people who don't read at all. i've certainly not spent time to date thinking explicitly about approaches to text comprehension
lobbes: much like Roman Republic > Roman Empire milllennia before >> mircea_popescu> [18:58:59] Mocky, the empire of evil started as the republic of men
Mocky: re: boneh, he seem legit as he's teaching you to trivially break reused otp, and flawed padding schemes, but that's all i know about him, just surprised to see in the logs
mircea_popescu: lobbes, sure ; though it's iffier there, in that caesar and then espeically augustus actually attempted a restart of the proper republic out of the ashes of the shit it had ended up in. caesar in this sense is the polar opposite of lincoln, ie, attempted to manipulate the overwhelming pantsuit into the extinction-or-sanity dilemma, rather than being manipulated by the underwhelming pantsuit into internecine warfare.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, why surprised ? the republic's well informed, its spies reach far indeed.
mircea_popescu: anyway -- you can start with say http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/ ; not the first but certainly the most recent "read, motherfuckers."
Mocky: surprised random dude teaching noobs over the web, was worth the mention
mircea_popescu: i suppose as far as the orcs are concerned, it's mostly a boneh-or-boeck distinction.
mircea_popescu: in this sense i suppose djb is a boneh, though i don't like how he runs his harem ; wheras yuk dude is a boeck.
asciilifeform: Mocky: boneh is a well-funded, quite prolific usg.corrupt mathematician, with (formerly, iirc) a day job teaching undergrads ( hence your exposure )
mircea_popescu: oh, they kicked him out of teaching ?
asciilifeform: ( re boneh, see, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-09#1783082 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1715003 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-03#1513443 )☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-09 16:14 asciilifeform: ^ usg's premier public pusher of elaborately-braindamaged pseudocrypto
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 23:51 asciilifeform: boneh is imho an interesting example of a man who thought that intellectual and political integrity were severable
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 02:13 asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'Exploring Encryption and Potential Mechanisms for Authorized Government Access to Plaintext: Proceedings of a Workshop.' Anne Johnson, Emily Grumbling, and Jon Eisenberg, Rapporteurs. THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES PRESS 500 Fifth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 This activity was supported by the Office of the Director for National Intelligence, under Contract....
mircea_popescu: on meditation, i suspect the reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815573 actually is, that the item exists (at least at its core) as a campus dating club.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 17:38 Mocky: i read yudkowski and liked, went to less wrong 'community' and was bunch of tards ingrouping the hell out of eachother
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't specifically know, in his case. but typically they get 'promoted out' of it when reading that level.
mircea_popescu: doesn't ~anyone~ get tenure anymore ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phunphakt re yudkowsky -- d00d has the dubious distinction, among others, of having had 'his' harem... hijacked
asciilifeform: ( in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805137 sense )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 15:26 mircea_popescu: you should see the panic when i send girl to swoop her.
mircea_popescu: this is not so rare ; most harems end up hijacked. if slut follows soldier, then necessarily.
mircea_popescu: and besides -- what the fuck should happen ? eventually you're old. and then dead. what, all of them should kill themselves ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> doesn't ~anyone~ get tenure anymore ?! << Promoted out of it suggest the idle life of a single graduate seminar every other semester + lab.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if it wasn't evident, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815617 was re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815579☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 18:58 mircea_popescu: Mocky, the empire of evil started as the republic of men.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 18:14 Mocky: speaking of plot twists, pretty surprised by the Ada usage. I pictured usg.DOD-design-by-committee lang commissioned to help build out the chumpatronic-mass-programmer infrastructure for gov contracts. I guess it's time to reevaluate my priors.
Mocky: yeah but isnt' that why you call it polyamory, so that after it gets jacked then well it was never a 'harem' and it was never 'yours' ?
mircea_popescu: not afaik ; moreover polyamory has naught to do with the harem ; and this even before you consider "polyamory" ie http://trilema.com/2018/heres-what-polyamory-is-not/
mircea_popescu: in fact, polyamory and the harem are exact opposites under this aspect, that polyamory is transparently enough an attempt to limit the depth of investment (after all, good soviet shouldn't love anything more than the party, right) whereas harem is on the contrary, what pitre'd call "an exagerated" investment. absolute enough to consider "move on or burn myself" dilemma as such.
mircea_popescu: (pitre ref being http://trilema.com/2016/house-of-strangers/#selection-65.554-69.1 )
Mocky: this is hard to keep up with, i haven't even gotten though "Democracy sucks..." yet, lol
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: hey, trilema is like, the larger half of the internets.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a golden thread uniting the house of strangers and http://trilema.com/2018/pepi-luci-bom-y-otras-chicas-del-monton/ : that woman, the misfortunate burden bearer, beset by stupid girlies and stupider boys.
mircea_popescu: and generally alone.
lobbes: Mocky, dun feel bad, it took me yesterday and today to finally get through that one. (well, except for the Greek, because, well, it is all Greek to me!)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/dubious-yet-encouraging-report-supposes-bitcoin-mining-achieved-or-set-to-promptly-achieve-0-5-of-world-energy-consumption/ << Qntra - Dubious Yet Encouraging Report Supposes Bitcoin Mining Achieved Or Set To Promptly Achieve 0.5% of World Energy Consumption
BingoBoingo: ^ Mocky you might be interested in where the trilemas linked in that news item lead
mircea_popescu: ha. only two degrees of magnitude left.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously
mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you're inclined, there's an excellent item that you can use to teach yourself greek : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0157
mircea_popescu: the horiz arrows / bars on top take you through the text ; if you click on any word you get a report, and lexicon links (multiple, because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697164☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 18:37 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless with patience you can construct your own dictionary translation, which may be informative ; and in any case is a process of actual learning as opposed to going to us.school.
mircea_popescu: it's true that on one hand this failed spectacularily with chinese in my own hands ( http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/ ) ; and that a girl's on the record as having spent A YEAR with a moderate length ENGLIS?H text in this way. nevertheless, no other avenues work, long and involved and beset with perils as this one may indeed turn out to be.
mircea_popescu: aande in random words today : talaz, meaning wave in romanian. because θάλασσα.
mircea_popescu: ima put this in there, because ahahaha. touton : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=tou%3Dton&la=greek&can=tou%3Dton0&prior=ei%28/lonto&d=Perseus:text:1999.01.0157:chapter=1&i=1#lexicon
Mocky: i don't remember that last time anyone recommended reading to me unsolicited, and now my post-it note reading list system is struggling to keep up. I'm going to need something better
mircea_popescu: put everything on hooks!
Mocky: the books and the crooks
mircea_popescu: it's a seinfeld joke. from the virgin. "you could get forty hooks in here!"
Mocky: wow i missed a seinfeld reference, i just watched all 6 good seasons of that, damn 2 years ago
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815486 << this went over my head☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 16:25 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, btw, i'm curious : has your fish friend figured out the "He admits he cannot name one other Christian leader outside his own little band of followers—anyone who has lived in the two millennia between the death of the last apostle and the advent of Darwin Fish—who has remained faithful to the truth." bla bla bla "criticism" is very strictly a http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22there+was+a+limit+where+the+fla
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2xF3UMesFw
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, you aware the dood has a set of detractors/"critics" yes ?
danielpbarron: yes
mircea_popescu: ok. and upon summarization, the most notable point that remains of their accreted body of critique is, "this guy doesn't think anyone else was righteous", as in eg https://archive.is/KGCUs#selection-479.25-479.267
danielpbarron: we don't know of anyone else, which is not to say there aren't or haven't been any
mircea_popescu: be that as it may ; the question was, "are you aware why they ask".
danielpbarron: they can't fault us on matters of scripture, so they find extra-Biblical points
danielpbarron: and the "you think you're the only one" is an especially weak point, seeing as how scripture indicates there will be very few who truely believe
mircea_popescu: rather, you realise, david fish is not ~personally~ interesting to whatever ocean trawler neoprotestant californian "mega" church. the strict item that interests them is to reduce the sovereignity issue. as far as they're concerned the most important property of the universe is integration, a single center with everything in a star pattern. so he's supposed to be confronted very much with a "choice" (in the http://trilema.com
mircea_popescu: /2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ sense of choice) : either he picks "someone", where someone is defined as ~one of them~, some boeck or other, in which case, "here's an article by the boeck ~you picked~ saying ~you're wrong" ; or else VERY BAD AND WE WILL ALL SHAKE OUR HEAD AND PRETEND LIKE YOU DID UNSPEAKABLE WRONGS
mircea_popescu: because this works, especially if you're a 40yo woman confronting a 5yo boy.
mircea_popescu: this is incidentally a pretty decent parlour trick : take a bonbon in one hand and nothing i nthe other, and present young child with the choice -- but shake your head no as he goes for the bonbon. you'll be surprised (really, in esl lands you'll be downright shocked) how much trouble young kids have in escaping this trap.
danielpbarron: so you're saying darwin is the good guy?
mircea_popescu: i'm not making any judgement about him ; but i am pointing out the whatever they're called, the dudes he's fixated on, are very obviously total tards.
mircea_popescu: well adapted to life in a democracy, sure, but that's besides the point. mentally vacuous as all get-out.
Mocky: this darwin guy was part of grace community church?
mircea_popescu: "Grace Community Church". what a stupid name.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, yeah.
mircea_popescu: he was put on the radar once his lordship danielpbarron decided to move to rural ok.
danielpbarron: Mocky, you've heard of them?
Mocky: like, with that macarthur guy, oh man
mircea_popescu: ah, you live around there ?
Mocky: yeah was a huge 'fan' of macarthur for years, had macarthur study bible i carried around, listened to him on the radio etc
mircea_popescu: btw lobbes, let me ask you this : when is a door not a door ?
mircea_popescu: Mocky, anything good ?
danielpbarron: Mocky, http://www.atruechurch.info/macarthur.html
Mocky: i thought he was a good speaker at the time, i guess his shtick was explaining (his understanding of) the scriptural hermeneutics to people who don't care about such things but want to feel as if they do
Mocky: anyway after god died, i didn't bother keeping the bible
mircea_popescu: may i suggest one of your next posts, by the title "A summary of MacArthur & stuff, for the use of MP, who doesn't give a shit about such things" ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, ~most~ of what's left of imperial cultural / intellectual life is exactly, "explaining bits and pieces of the deceased culture of the white man, for gorillas that aren't white man but like to feel like they ~could be~, if they ~really wanted to~.
danielpbarron: there is a lot of similarity between atruechurch and trilema -- fixation on what the retards are teaching other retards, hated for it, and every so often someone gets it and stops by
douchebag: Woo, got a $1k bug bounty :D
mircea_popescu: wd.
douchebag: thx
douchebag: That's going to really help for when I travel Europe soon, had fun with it too :^)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, while present, i'd say these are marginal considerations here, mostly exploited for their comedic potential.
Mocky: douchebag, what was it you found?
douchebag: Mocky: I chained CSRF with XSS -> Account Takeover
mircea_popescu: he really likes the web stuff.
douchebag: I also found an open redirect, which they patched. I was able to bypass their fix so I'm waiting on a reply from that now
mircea_popescu: lol
Mocky: i tried my hand at that stuff a year ago, you heard of ncc group?
douchebag: Possibly, what does ncc stand for?
Mocky: i don't remenmber, some bigish security consultancy, do a lot of conference talks, anyway almost interviews with those lying bastards, after spending a month doing their 'hack the firmware' challenge and 'find all the security holes in this web site' challenge
douchebag: I was at a 3 security conferences in the past month, had a great time
mircea_popescu: any chicks ?
douchebag: Surprisingly, yes
mircea_popescu: cool!
Mocky: i figured can't be worse than programming java, and it was a cool feeling owning some web app, but didn't pan out
douchebag: Yeah, I went there with 2 people from class one was a female and she introduced me to a bunch of her coworkers which were primarily female so we just got drunk and watched conference talks
mircea_popescu: this sounds like an actual party.
douchebag: It is man! I definitely reccomend attending some of the larger security conferences
mircea_popescu: hanbot, feel like going sometime ?
douchebag: I also got to meet some internet friends there - it was a great time
douchebag: Also made friends with a couple of people I had no idea were even going, they just happened to mention they were at the same conference in chat so we met up
douchebag: Lulz: http://bugbounty.fail/
asciilifeform: unrelatedly: since nobody answered http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815331 riddle, i'ma post the answer :☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-18 18:52 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the lullicus maxiumus, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/5332 >> 1) it's a prime 2) it's a... i'ma leave this as exercise for the reader !
asciilifeform: the prime is... 0xcd0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000d9 !!
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: aaaha.
mircea_popescu: what, actual barf made it into the buffer ?
asciilifeform: hey it obeys the 'set coupla upper bits and get nextprime()' algo! so wat if forgot to rngize !11
mircea_popescu: "our prime generator consists of crashing the program and using the core dump"
asciilifeform: not barf ! genuine prime.
asciilifeform: with a sprinkle of nobus on top.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's 128 bytes!
asciilifeform: aha, part of a 2048b modulus
mircea_popescu: ie, conceivably, someone had a set of 64-bit registers, one of which contained "cd"
asciilifeform: seems more likely that top byte was deliberately set != 0 , this seems to be the custom in erry single rsatron i ran across
asciilifeform: ( the odds against uninited buffer having just those, are heavy )
mircea_popescu: entirely possible also. except cd is 11001101
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that both 220.157.192.232 and 113.37.155.10 used ~different~ keys that had this as a factor kinda favour your theory, "set bit on null-rnd, nextprime()".
mircea_popescu: as it's fucking unlikely two machines crashed the particular way i describe.
asciilifeform: recall, we already had a 'set top bit and nexprime()' bunch: http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you realise what this suggests : try all primes of the format xx(124 bits of 0)yy.
mircea_popescu: there'd conceivably be onlty a coupla thousand of them.
asciilifeform: already wrote up the generator for this, last night
mircea_popescu: also 123 and 125 bits of 0 ?
asciilifeform: it is going into production in coupla day
asciilifeform: gonna feed in 256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192-long variants of this .
asciilifeform: for starters.
mircea_popescu: wait, why 256 ?
asciilifeform: buncha 512b keys in the collection
mircea_popescu: N is 256.
mircea_popescu: do you mean "64 to 128 bytes" ?
asciilifeform: was speaking above of the ~primes~
asciilifeform: and bit lengths
mircea_popescu: oh oh BIT lengths.
asciilifeform normally thinks of 'bitness' in re rsa, rather than 'byteness'
mircea_popescu: makes sense actually. alrighty!
mircea_popescu: should be interesting to see what pops with this.
mircea_popescu: Moduli Broken: 3036. heh.
asciilifeform: in other lullies re subj : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QazsK/?raw=true << nontrivial (256b and up) primes known to phuctor, sorted by ascending ~ent score~
asciilifeform: ( made with simple proggy http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/E9C6q/?raw=true )
asciilifeform: this alone is not , arguably, interesting ; but then turns out that the score of the ~modulus~ is not uncorrelated with that of the constituent primes.
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: see, moar interesting than brute strength, would be an electrical litmus for all such moduli.
asciilifeform: this is possible via lattice method, but sadly i haven't currently the free hands
mircea_popescu: or at least some more classification.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: other potentially-interesting stabs in the dark include nextprime(sha1/2(dictionarypassword)) and the like.
mircea_popescu: by now getting kinda dim tho. but the 0000 sets, definitely worth doing.
lobbes: oh hey, thank you. this is a pretty cool tool >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815685☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 19:42 mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you're inclined, there's an excellent item that you can use to teach yourself greek : http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0157
lobbes: this is how I've been approaching Deutsch lernen von Kant; I've been going through word-by-word and physically writing down my own researched definitions of each word. Then I'll re-read trying to reconstruct with my new definitions in hand until I encounter something new, then repeat. Slow going (I can read a total of 3 sentences now without checking my notes) but it has been working for me so far, daran ist gar kein Zweifel >> http://btcbase.org
lobbes: /log/2018-05-19#1815688
mircea_popescu: ehehehe
mircea_popescu: mind that there's no point in putting a bonus on "not checking notes". that's why they're notes, to be checked. let memory adapt naturally and unconstrained -- when the animal you inhabit has had enough of the motor effort to check up $X, it'll memorize it ; and before--- it checks.
mircea_popescu: the ~checking~ is the only part that needs your enforcement ; the rest it does itself.
lobbes: this makes sense
mircea_popescu: then over time it learns to trust you're not bullshiting it, either, and so i ended up learning all of physics magic numberds without ever trying to. to the despair of the kids that did.
mircea_popescu: and then as an adult, the building code.
mircea_popescu: and even today, i know ~nothing "without checking my notes". nor do i want to, wtf. that's why there's a log, after all, because of this style.
mircea_popescu: the point is to know ~with~ your knotes. you're not auditioning for laika over here.
mircea_popescu: and the model is readily expanded to writing software, too. by the time you've had enough of writing $x, you'll write a script to write $x for you. AND NOT BEFORE.
mircea_popescu: this simple measure experimentally increases productivity by an order of magnitude, counterintuitive as that may be. because "programming" essentially consists of people spending ten hours to save five minutes, much like "business" is, by bulk, people working 14 to 16 hour days to make a dime an hour ~while they sleep~, except they only sleep 4-5 hours a night.
mircea_popescu: defining knowledge as "that which happens without your notes" is not unlike telling a bunch of F1 pilots that speed is that which happens without their car. really ?
mircea_popescu: presumably next step after that, they'll challenge the king of persia to "single combat". talk about infantile worldviews.
lobbes: I will say, I've started keeping very detailed notes of everything I do re: my various projects. has become an extension of my brain really >> mircea_popescu> and even today, i know ~nothing "without checking my notes". nor do i want to, wtf. that's why there's a log, after all, because of this style.
lobbes: tedious at first, but has already saved my ass on so many occasions (my trb install adventure, recently, for example)
mircea_popescu: "ia, not ai."
lobbes: I'm truly beginning to grok that these days
mircea_popescu: in any case -- kant without greek is an iffy proposition, because the fellow was practically the last athenian.
mircea_popescu: and so the spittoon unstrands...
lobbes: phew, I've got a lifetime of translating ahead of me. It is fun, however
mircea_popescu: it's certainly better than running about chasing own tail in the nonsensical dilemmas of democracy.
lobbes: it really is. most depressing quote I overheard the other day in the cubicle fields: "I just want to climb the corporate ladder". It is like the legends of "band continuing to play while Titanic sank"
lobbes: I really need to get back to reading Gibbon's "Decline and Fall", though I'm starting to think that perhaps I should be starting with a text that deals with the -rise and formation- of the republic and eventual empire so as to give better context as to what, exactly, was declining. And on that note: anyone recommend a good text for that subject? >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815645☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 19:22 mircea_popescu: lobbes, sure ; though it's iffier there, in that caesar and then espeically augustus actually attempted a restart of the proper republic out of the ashes of the shit it had ended up in. caesar in this sense is the polar opposite of lincoln, ie, attempted to manipulate the overwhelming pantsuit into the extinction-or-sanity dilemma, rather than being manipulated by the underwhelming pantsuit into internecine warfare.
lobbes bbl, meat
mircea_popescu: lobbes, cicero. indirectly cesar, but rather informative.
mircea_popescu: there's also polybius, in greek.
mircea_popescu: fellow was present for the sack of cartago.
mircea_popescu: then there's nepos, appian, dio...