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feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/minigame-smg-december-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG), December 2018 Statement
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, check out the smoldering wikirage : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette
mats: asciilifeform: any idea what thats called? i thought 'food stamps' (EBT) are a debit card
lobbesbot: mats: Sent 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, and 42 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r1dkc/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what part of it is interesting ?
asciilifeform: massive snoar , loox like, entirely like other wikisms
mircea_popescu: let's take the first para.
mircea_popescu: "A cigarette is a narrow cylinder containing psychoactive material, usually tobacco, that is rolled into thin paper for smoking. Most cigarettes contain a "reconstituted tobacco" product known as "sheet", which consists of "recycled [tobacco] stems, stalks, scraps, collected dust, and floor sweepings", to which are added glue, chemicals and fillers; the product is then sprayed with nicotine that was extracted from the tobacco
mircea_popescu: scraps, and shaped into curls.[1] The cigarette is ignited at one end, causing it to smolder and allowing smoke to be inhaled from the other end, which is held in or to the mouth. Most modern cigarettes are filtered, although this does not make them safer. Cigarette manufacturers have described cigarettes as a drug administration system for the delivery of nicotine in acceptable and attractive form.[2][3][4][5] Cigarettes ar
mircea_popescu: e addictive (because of nicotine) and cause cancer, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, heart disease, and other health problems. "
asciilifeform: mats: 'wic'
mircea_popescu: ~none~ of the points are factual. moreover, imagine an "encyclopedic" article on, say, obama, in the same terms.
mircea_popescu: or "no child left behind", or "black women employed in federal bureaucratic positions"
mircea_popescu: or what have you
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's afaik ~exact description of ameri-cig. and for that matter, ameri-chicken, an' similar product
asciilifeform: floor sweepings.
mircea_popescu: eh, "exact description" in a very selective sense.
asciilifeform: picture how vegetarian might describe a sausage maker's shop. esp ameri-sausage.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, nicotine is not addictive. for the other thing, EVERYTHING in the us is glue paint and floor sweepings, from usda a+ beef to coca cola.
mircea_popescu: you don't see THAT mentioned in those articles, do you ?
mircea_popescu: you don't see "african americans are the scum of the human race, accidentally transported against their own capacity to our lands" in the respective article, do you ?
asciilifeform: they also dun mention 'sky is blue' and 'water is wet'..
mircea_popescu: whole item is entirely free of any objective content, consists entirely on subjective positioning./
mats: asciilifeform: ah, i see, SNAP uses EBT cards, WIC does not
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point is precisely the ridoinculous pretense of wikitards that their particularly weird and slanty libel sheet is exactly not-that.
asciilifeform: it reads exactly like ~erry other wikipg.
mircea_popescu: well no, the page on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1733001 doesn't say "sue gardern is a sad sack of neoplasms". though this is factually true, all humans contain some neoplastic tissue. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 16:40 mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated lulz : the "womenz in tech" dynastry of aparatchicks over at wikipedia is pretty lulzi : sue gardner's lengthy tenure ended (she was recycled to nsa honeypot "tor project") to be replaced by lila tretikov, two bit russki scammer gal who got sent off (over the whole "knowledge engine" failed wikimedia http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729324 attempt) to be replaced by katherine maher.
hanbot most recently ran into this particular flavor of wikiwank when looking for specific incident lead on ms-13 the other day, was bombarded by "trump falsely claims!!!" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810279 << aphra bern is not "inconsequntial pickpocket" and so on. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 18:05 mircea_popescu: aand in other items of entomological interest, the wikipedia take on politicized pseudo-literary criticism is something else. aphra behn is lionized, because they're ever-so-desperate to discover, invent or if need be entirely hallucinate "remarkable" cuntbearers of the shakespeare period that some random jailbird is A HEROINE OF FEMINISM!!!
mircea_popescu: hanbot im sure it got a whole "orange man" spray paint, to cover over the cracking in the previous "ows" paintjob.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re tobaccism and its discontents -- i find lulzy that 'secondhand smoke' hysteria expanded to include those electrical things that emit theatric-'smoke', somehow with straight face, even tho less poisonous than typical chix perfume, or vodka breath etc
asciilifeform: ( cuz it was never about poisons, noshit )
mircea_popescu: hey, witchcraft.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to my eyes that item reads like perfect self-parody.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885215 << I know of a biz in oregon, grows all manner of crops, independently owned by revelations cult, makes own biofuel, but yes, they might be the only one. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 23:04 asciilifeform: ( i.e. ~actually~ independent, dun need city man for anyffin, not petrol, not toilet paper, nuffin )
mircea_popescu: it's techically illegal in the us anyway, "impede interstate commerce".
asciilifeform: indeed, famously
asciilifeform: ( the very moment, really, when all remaining pretense of 'this aint a reich, and fdr aint fuhrer' was dropped )
asciilifeform: !#s wickard
a111: 10 results for "wickard", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wickard
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743774 << e.g. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 16:12 asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn'
billymg: hanbot: i put together a patch for the svg links mentioned earlier: http://billymg.com/2019/01/mp-wp-vpatch-update-internal-image-references-to-point-to-svg-extensions/ ☟︎
billymg: there is also now a copy of the mp-wp vtree here http://billymg.com/mp-wp-vtree/
billymg: it was mostly a search and replace job but i took care not to blow away intentional .gif or .png references
mircea_popescu: there are such ?!
billymg: well, not used as image references, but other instances of those strings. used in, e.g. matchers in a conditional in some script
billymg: although i believe there was one valid .png reference for avatar.png that links to the avatar.png hosted on a commenter's blog
mircea_popescu: a a a
mircea_popescu: right, right.
mircea_popescu: good point.
billymg: it's been nice working on this, if there are other items people want to see done i can look at those too
billymg: i think there also might be some opportunities to remove code from mp-wp. for example, the included tinymce browser text-editor plugin seems to come with three different themes. i haven't looked too closely but i'm guessing only one of them is actually used
mircea_popescu: i expect you could prolly cut the loc in half, with some sweat.
billymg: if that's a worthwhile goal i wouldn't mind tackling some of that next
mircea_popescu: definitely, cutting down loc is god's own work.
billymg: excellent, that will be my next task then
billymg: time for sleep now
billymg goes to bed
mircea_popescu: nn
auctionbot: Buy order # 1032 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: trinque ^
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in world of spamatronics : https://archive.vn/PR2zr (tldr : htmlism idjicy where 'custom embedded font', apparently explains certain 'line noise'-style spams occasionally seen)
mircea_popescu: all this retarded posturing. "threat actors", and pixelized screenshots and what the fuck. well earned negrate.
mircea_popescu: big fucking whoop, someone made himself a non-alphabetic ordered font.
asciilifeform: explains certain rubbish in my lint trap tho.
mircea_popescu: it's about as novel as windows nt.
mircea_popescu: but ok.
asciilifeform not expert spamatronicist, so possibly easily astonished
mircea_popescu: in other news, i fucking loathe that interactivecorp footer. never EVER seen it on a site that didn't suck balls in the exact wikipedia style of cheap cardboard alt-reality.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'mit phuctor'-style lulzattempts at thefts from republic, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vL8Rj/?raw=true << d00d implements keccak for z80, and naturally claims great 'invention', where , e.g., 'new meaning to retrocomputing-based perfect forward secrecy. In the contemporary concern about tampering and traps in our computing devices...'
asciilifeform: ( per the magick formula of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile talking of spam : http://archive.vn/oMEya ("Julia Sowells/534 Posts Julia Sowells has been a technology and security professional. For a decade of experience in technology, [...]" -- looks like your run of the mill 20something instawhore, but whatever, i'm sure she has a decade of "experience" in tabletclucking ; "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals ac
mircea_popescu: ross the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] ")
mircea_popescu: need i continue ? sure, why not : http://archive.vn/0VU5Q "Rewterz information security Company Our Story"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect perl script takes pressrelease and attached $randomchix face and shannonized 'bio' , in these fishwraps
BingoBoingo: /me pretty sure the whole "webfonts only have malicious purposes" deal has been happening since webfonts were a thing
mircea_popescu: nooo ?
mircea_popescu: "www" stands for "what happens if all the dogs get the idea nobody can tell they're dogs ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy alt-fetlife, really. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Security Boulevard By Julia Sowells securityboulevard.com — A website getting hacked isn’t really news today; it has become an almost common thing. So, what should you do if your website is hacked? How can you work on recovering things and bouncing back? Well, it’s not that difficult. Here’s a look at some easy steps that could help in the recovery process:Step 1 – Inform hosting company, do some research of your o
mircea_popescu: wnThe first thing that you need to do is inform your hosting company or the person who is hosting your website. "
mircea_popescu: "10 Steps to Recover from a Hacked Website By Julia Sowells techspective.net — A website getting hacked isn’t really news today; it has become an almost common thing. So, what should you do if your website is hacked? How can you work on recovering things and bouncing back? Well, it’s not that difficult. Here’s a look at some easy steps that could help in the recovery process:Step 1 – Inform hosting company, do some
mircea_popescu: research of your ownThe first thing that you need to do is inform your hosting company or the person who is hosting your website."
asciilifeform: '99 easy recipes spammers dunwant you to know'!11
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/juliasowells << even twitter acct, with a typically "powerpoint"-informed montage in the background. " Julia Sowells @juliasowells Senior #Information #Security Specialist #Cybersecurity Author @Hacker_Combat | Got Tips? Contact me: juliasowells@hackercombat.com"
mircea_popescu: #WomenInTech i'm sure.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885323 << ~100% of heathenwww is precisely 'alt-fetlife' by mass ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 15:42 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy alt-fetlife, really.
asciilifeform: elizas talkin' to parrys.
mircea_popescu: "DanaBot Banking Trojan’s Journey to North America DanaBot, a nasty banking trojan is wreaking havoc now in the North American continent. First appeared in May 2018 targeting Australian corporations hackercombat.com " << check it out, age of sail.
asciilifeform: actual human reader is quite out of his element there. it's sorta like listening to modem whine.
mircea_popescu: no, because i could eventually whistle meaningfully @ the modem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is perhaps better whistler than i , i can only 300baud on good day..
mircea_popescu: i think anyone who spent any significant time with the damned "bauds" could whistle a reset so as not to stand up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well not data, what am i.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: "If you are one of those enthusiastic and adventurous entrepreneurs who are on the verge of launching your own startup, here’s an important question for you: Have you secured your startup enough so that it can resist the security threats of today? Because if you haven’t, considering the security threats which are raining down on the digital world of today, you may in for a lot of trouble.
mircea_popescu: Therefore in this blog, let’s take a look at some of the cyber security measures every entrepreneur should take, to ensure their startup stays safe from all forms of hacking."
asciilifeform actually dug into subj of implementing compact 'soft' acoustic-modems on e.g. ice40, yr or so ago, for fyootoor applications
mircea_popescu: letting the girls into the office was ~such~ a fucking dumb idea... what, precisely, is gained by having a bunch of verbose maids running about attempting to "redefine" the "space" more towards their terms and interests ?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says it's actual meat gurlz doin' this, rather than plain old perl, i'ma believe
asciilifeform: but the 2 hypotheses aint distinguishable from my perch
mircea_popescu: as it stands now, i believe this julia chick is basically douchebag.
mircea_popescu: ie, physically extant novel cuntspawn "just tryna make it in dis biz"
asciilifeform: rright but douchebag passed, at least initially, turing test, and these 'people' generally do not
mircea_popescu: heck, odds are they met "at a conference" where they "being professional" to each other etc (ie, didn't fuck, notwithstanding how dimly regarded teens who don't do it are)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's because your test is biased against women.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly; but i'ma not that despite many unfortunate yrs spent in the company of the degenerates populating that 'biz', never once witnessed a perpetrator describable as female
asciilifeform: *i'ma add that
asciilifeform: there were chix, to be sure, but doing the old-nicolecci thing, shuffling paper ~silently
asciilifeform: i also have nfi what the 'space' might have looked like prior to 'getting redefined' -- near as i can tell, whole 'industry', from rise of microshit and up, consisted of exactly this
asciilifeform: and i even witnessed the early-90s 'space', e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568#selection-57.0-57.368 , as a kid, and even then laughed.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i've only seen the other side of the wall 80s, and it consisted of research labs, basically. just like any others, hence the prestige.
asciilifeform: research folx had research-grade irons , and ~separate ecosystem. ( pdp, then suns, hp, sgi, alpha, even bolix somewhere close to money printers, etc. but that 'atlantis' sank without a trace )
asciilifeform: it's gone, what's left is descendants of 'computer shopper magazine' and other 80s chump-baits
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/juliasowells/status/907929912945795072 << item starts in 13 Sep 2017 ; spends a while derping about "niche relevant" re-crapped crap ("First Female White House CIO on #Cybersecurity #Talent" bla bla), buncha zdnet, techradar whatever. then it's "Julia Sowells Retweeted Kevin Jones‏ @kevinjones_hc 10 Oct 2017 British @security experts are stopping two MAJOR #hackattacks every day" ("Hello this is Kevin Jo
mircea_popescu: nes, #Malware #cybersecurity Specialist and Author at @Hacker_Combat * Real-Life News Reader" << https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/958699043579871232/ntdF9E5X.jpg perfectly punchable amir taaki face) and so well... it's either his irl gf or his online fursona, whichever. ☟︎
asciilifeform: current-day lusercomp has approx as much to do with '80s research lab, as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877160 has with mircea_popescu's bmw ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 02:17 asciilifeform: amberglint: it's a http://funnypicture.zoda.ru/bd/2011/10/14/8e55f8a1cd38eb6ed761e4897058d1b7.jpg
mircea_popescu: just because you didn't see douchebag's julia... o wait. i think you might've...
asciilifeform brb,teatime
mircea_popescu: awww, you're opting out of the wonderful world of IT expert guidance and insight ?!
mircea_popescu: i really thought we had something going here...
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> rright but douchebag passed, at least initially, turing test, and these 'people' generally do not << Lacking tits douchbag has to try to brand and personality. Having tits in the Femoocracy, girl just has to scrape and paste.
mircea_popescu: there, intel kicks in : julia sowells, lives with mom @3036 Powell Rd, Blossvale, NY 13308, a single family home worth about 100k market / 60k on tax basis. 2 bedrooms, 1 bath, 1ksqft.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this lulztron just won't quit. "Kriti Sarda, Recently moved to the United States Answered Jan 6, 2016 I work at Appknox and we are thought leaders in the mobile app security domain. I can unanimously agree with everyone here that cyber attacks WILL rise in 2016. Apart from that here are our predictions for the upcoming year - " (meanwhile this quora expert moved back to dfjkhgfkjhgkdjhkfj injia"
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/britain-to-ban-transactions-involving-puppies-and-kittens-through-most-channels/ << Qntra -- Britain To Ban Transactions Involving Puppies And Kittens Through Most Channels
BingoBoingo: ^ From the place that brought the world "monkey baiting"
mircea_popescu: this bizarro notion opf "banning". rly ?
BingoBoingo: Well if they can "council house" Syrian refugees from Ghana...
diana_coman: that "unanimously agree" is cherry on top
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> that "unanimously agree" is cherry on top << Consult the traditional culture of Indo-Argentina http://trilema.com/2015/why-should-the-argentine-population-go-graze-already/#selection-31.0-45.71
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol; what didja ~think~ brit parliament did on typical weekday, when not busy fellating overseas hitler . naturally 'making rules' re the procedure for selling dogs , etc, 'regulating' what time of day 'subjects of her majesty' may take a shit, and similar
asciilifeform: 'if the great inca wants you to have dog, he will issue you one' or how did it go.
BingoBoingo: Still the decay Pantsuitism has wrought in 20 centuries must be documented
BingoBoingo: Before too long dogs will prolly be "banned" in the UK because offensive to muslims
mircea_popescu: diana_coman he can unanimously agree all by his lonesome! because prajeet, they be legion.
asciilifeform: before long, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885108 will be the only permitted domestic animal in reich. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 15:59 asciilifeform: https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~akerr/socrates/personal/rats.html << subj.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, quite; I read it as "tripping over oneself in desperation to signalsignalsignal agreement^n"
mircea_popescu: well, and "success" and employment and emigration and a whole hosta things.
mircea_popescu: still not getting any, but heck, WELL ON THE WAY TO
asciilifeform: 'luxor centre for bizniss'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: but yes, the perpetual and universal hostis generis is precisely this "wanna everything be good and why can't everyone just be friends" schmuck.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885361 << there's by nao a lengthy gallery of these 'asking for brick'(tm) faces in the l0gz. i admit to curiosity re how come these folx so reliably have'em. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 16:04 mircea_popescu: nes, #Malware #cybersecurity Specialist and Author at @Hacker_Combat * Real-Life News Reader" << https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/958699043579871232/ntdF9E5X.jpg perfectly punchable amir taaki face) and so well... it's either his irl gf or his online fursona, whichever.
mircea_popescu: combination of diet and schooling.
BingoBoingo: Diet, schooling, and post Walt Disney.
mircea_popescu: i suspect we also select for them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno re 'select'. recall the shithub experiment ? good % of the pages had 'brickface' on'em iirc
mircea_popescu: truly.
BingoBoingo: !Xview 1035
auctionbot: Buy order # 1035: 1500 Filthy Fiats, Wired, WU, or Moneygram Opening: 400mn ecu Leading Bid: None Ending: 2019-01-09 06:04:18.169529 UTC (47 hours 59 mins)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, also in zoology, but somewhat diff faces, witness http://www.fishcamp.com/photo_gallery.html
asciilifeform: ( wonder, are they even alive nao? date '2009'... )
BingoBoingo: Everything about that building's exterior except the entrance could be here in orcistan.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's standard 'it dun snow here' wooden shack, as i see it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, there's the narrow windows and indications the exterior walls extend above the roof creating a slow fence for the azeotea.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/ruth-bader-ginsburg-absent-from-oral-arguments/ << Qntra -- Ruth Bader Ginsburg Absent From Oral Arguments
mircea_popescu: hex angels ahahaha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik, to the extent anyffin resembling engineering still happens in current usa -- it happens in places like that. four greybeards in a barn.
asciilifeform: (i.e. no 'hr', no 'powerpoint', no 'quarterly reports', etc, just four d00dz, four 'harleys', and a coupla oscilloscopes.. )
asciilifeform: i admit it's how i picture the joint where ben_vulpes and trinque live
mircea_popescu: and this afaik is based on your experience here and what else lol.
asciilifeform: experience in a coupla, where else
asciilifeform: not by any means authoritative.
mircea_popescu: because the item you describe is ~not even legal~
mircea_popescu: in the sense of meth kitchen not legal.
asciilifeform: it's forbidden in the sense gardening ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743774 ) is. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 16:12 asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn'
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: it is literally forbidden in the sense cooking meth is.
asciilifeform: well forbidden is forbidden, neh. yet there they are, subcontracting for 'lockheed' etc, for decades ( and on occasion when inca deems it's time, 'have problems', joe stack-style, but not otherwise )
mircea_popescu: there where ?
mircea_popescu: office park, WITH hr & all.
asciilifeform: in just about erry industrial district in erry ameri-town
asciilifeform: garrett with 2-3 d00ds, no 'hr'.
asciilifeform: they're 'unprincipled exception', in same was as in old su 'cooperatives'
mircea_popescu: and entirely imaginary, much like anti-soviet resistence.
asciilifeform: even 'discrimination law' applies limitedly, to'em. i suggest to rftm, it's a thing.
mircea_popescu: stuff "we could be doing" so "it's just as good as if we did it" etc.
mircea_popescu: just name one.
asciilifeform: linked earlier , neh
mircea_popescu: item expired two decades ago ?!
mircea_popescu: this is not at all what we're discussing.
mircea_popescu: when i discuss some random cuntlet and you propose she's inexistent, i get you concretes. when you discuss some imaginary item, you don't extend the same courtesy.
asciilifeform: or, say, the ones where asciilifeform toiled ( also defunkt today. but not killed 'because no hr' by usg, went old-fashioned broke )
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you you signed "code of conduct" and promised not to "sexually harass" coworkers and filed in your tax forms and whatnot. ALL of the whatnot.
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: these appear when you have ~80+ (i fughet exact #, varies by state) warm bodies.
mircea_popescu: pretense to the contrary howsoever instantiated notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or income.
mircea_popescu: so yes, i guess "went bankrupt, totally existed, i promise -- never made money never had employees" etc works in the sense of exception.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason neither methlabs nor sane workplaces ~advertise~. "come work here, we don't do the whole usg bs".
mircea_popescu: to cursory examination it'd be the cheapest/sweetest fruit for them, ~nothing else a prospective employer could say scores nearly as highly with prospective employees ~worth employing~.
mircea_popescu: yet mocky is buried under the polar opposite of that -- "security clearance" bs.
asciilifeform: note that the 'hot dog stands' aint any kinda 'workers paradise' , even tho 'no hr'
asciilifeform: just diff sort of hell, is all.
mircea_popescu: there's hr for hot dog stands.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: they buy it with the franchise.
asciilifeform: "security clearance" bs << asciilifeform resigned from a shithole specifically when pressed to 'take holy orders', 1 time
mircea_popescu: again -- just because you personally never saw the face of the usg allocated mamie in charge of usg.aspect in question doesn't mean jack. she's still there, and she's still getting the same per capita.
mircea_popescu: the quataris also don't routinely introduce the indian slaves to the qatari admin office.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the small shitholes, 'mamie' comes mainly in the form of ruinous taxations ( erry d00d is taxes as 'businessman' , ~2x the usual rate )
mircea_popescu: in the end what i'm saying is this : what you perceive as two types (with, and without mammie) are the same type, with mammie. the without-mammie type is illegal. the perceived without-mammie type is merely a particularly cheap outft, where your position is so low you're not showed it.
mircea_popescu: but just as there in either case.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment, pray tell, who is the 'hr mamie' when 1 d00d runs 'owner-operator' co ?
asciilifeform: afaik there isn't yet a thing where he gotta hire politruk to 'sexual harass' ~himself~
mircea_popescu: and if you do not believe, the test is spelled out in ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ : start some shit about hot-topic-du-jour, see how "your boss" suddenly isn't what he seemed.
mircea_popescu: consider the very similar case of cattle farm : cattle may think billy bob farmer is an ok guy, and doesn't even go to town that often.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, should quarantine be established, the differences imagined by the cattle between billy bob and that slick asshole at the industrial farm down the streed vanish
asciilifeform: even cattle farm comes in 'feedlot' and 'grass range' flavours, neh
asciilifeform: both go to make prime rib, certainly
mircea_popescu: in some places. but in the fifty contiguous shitholes, it comes in "admittedly feedlot" and "deniedly feedlot" flaours.
mircea_popescu: in short : you ~did~ sign the damned thing whether they bothered to print one to give you to sign or not.
asciilifeform: in the sense that all of reich is subject to whatever 'labour law' etc. ? sure
asciilifeform: but in the sense of 'mamie on premises', from the inmate end imho it makes perceptible diff.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if you, joe mc speshul, employed at excellence inc to do very-important-whatever walk onto campus during their "women can think" festival and urinate on the speaker in contempt,
mircea_popescu: the end result will not be, your excellence inc enacting ramparts and shooting any and all complainers.
asciilifeform: noshit
mircea_popescu: the end result will be, your being fired. exactly like any other rando nobody working accounting at walmart.
mircea_popescu: the last time anyone tried this test was specifically http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-103.0-103.11
mircea_popescu: ie, returning conquering heroes. they didn't get away with putting the precious cuntlets in their tailhookers place ; and that was THE LAST TIME.
asciilifeform: who fires the 1-man shop festival pisser ?
mircea_popescu: there is no engineer so valuable in his geekery he exceeds the valuableness of the last set of jocks to win one for the ole' red, white & blue.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bank, to start with.
asciilifeform: which bank ?
mircea_popescu: whichever bank his last pretense to shopdom rests on, in the shape of bank accounts.
mircea_popescu: or is this more of a "shop in the mind" sorta thing ?
asciilifeform: is it unreasonable to hypothesize a shop that does actual biz ? of whatever kind, 'buy cheap, sell dear', parts for turbines, or whatever
asciilifeform: rather than 'eats bank loans and pretense'
mircea_popescu: it is unreasonable to hypothesize ~the unreasonable~.
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes, this is how my life went in the ~other~ socialism ; and in the "transition" thereafter. but it is NOT the case anyone lives like this in the us.
asciilifeform: fughet 'thinkers'. not far from my street there's a d00d who sells cement drills. has for 20+y. his shop is the size of a public toilet, and staffed by his lonesome old carcass. who fires him ?
mircea_popescu: i understand why the notion is interesting, as i understand why the fantasy is appealing. but a fantasy it is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform IF he ever becomes politically relevant, his bank, his landlord, etc.
mircea_popescu: look in the history of early ustarded yahoos "starting businesses".
asciilifeform: aite, aka 'having problems'. i thought we were discussing 'fired' in literal sense tho.
mircea_popescu: who fired http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ ?
mircea_popescu: who fired dooglus ?
mircea_popescu: "one man shops" one and all.
asciilifeform: was their own inner devils iirc
mircea_popescu: right. so they fired themselves ? cool then!
mircea_popescu: if i had just said "they'll fire themselves" it'd have seemed like rhetoric.
asciilifeform: hey some folx not simply 'fire self' but eat nagant, also
mircea_popescu: point being -- the boyish fantasy of "i'll get SO SMART they'll have to let me be" does not in practice work.
mircea_popescu: the empire is more than willing to do without bread ; it is not willing to do without stupid.
asciilifeform: it didn't work in 1500s either, luther did not by own lonesome get away with nailing shit to the church door
asciilifeform: ('pissed on festival' is exactly imho analogous)
mircea_popescu: yes, but back then the bois aspiring to "an independent life" had enough sense to join highway brigands
mircea_popescu: rather than fantasizing about an island in the sea where they bla bla bla.
asciilifeform: item contemplated upstack was no sort of 'berth of freedom from inca'. d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office, seeing no living faces other than in lift, is a thing, seen with own eyes. for the privilege he pays 2-3x tax ( and can , yes, be 'defrocked' at the whim of whatever gosplan commissions the workpieces, if rocks boat. ) however it is quite diff from life as inmate inside cube hell, subjectively. granted fro
asciilifeform: m mircea_popescu's olympus they are indistinguishable, the way untrained human cannot distinguish 2 types of wasp necessarily, will think 'wasp'
mircea_popescu: so what is the difference ? that sees no human face ?
asciilifeform: as described upstack -- no direct 'mamie', no 'powerpoint', etc.
mircea_popescu: are you proposing the general population and the solitary confinement are not in the same prison ?
asciilifeform: in point of fact usg tends to house'em in separate prisons.
mircea_popescu: seems to me either you're arguing "berth of freedom from inca" or you're not arguing it. which specifically is it ?
asciilifeform: solitary prison's exactly the model.
mircea_popescu: cuz if it's the NOT, then what the hell's the difference ?
asciilifeform: some folx in usaschwitz do their time in solitary, some in 3-man cell, some in 'general'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i got a secret for you : the shy withdrawing kind almost never get the hole.
mircea_popescu: prisons are run with a view to economy -- to get something, you must first not need it.
asciilifeform: this is generally so, but usg is again perverse, 'terrorists' tend to get, when not hanged, 'max' (aka oubliette)
asciilifeform: e.g. kazynski
mircea_popescu: i suppose in this the model breaks down, with the advent of pseudo"technology", the shy withdrawing type can "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals across the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] " bla bla bla all day long. ☟︎
asciilifeform: what precisely is 'shy withdrawing' about spam-'conference'-circuit butterflies ?
mircea_popescu: in that they're (as you well poined out) readily equivalent to "ai", they don't ~have to~ see a face.
mircea_popescu: ever.
asciilifeform: i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved in churning out 'information for it professionals' spamola
mircea_popescu: because you don't want to be.
mircea_popescu: but in any case -- regrettably, there is absolutely ~no glamour~ associated with the red stapler guy.
mircea_popescu: it's not merely that he can't "progress" in "levels" such that empire gives him an exception.
mircea_popescu: it's that he is not AT ALL different from the morons.
mircea_popescu: yes perl scripts issued by the original perl interpreter ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-26#1111325 ) rather than ulterior models ~prefer~ to "conference butterfly". but this personal preference does not enact a difference. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-04-26 03:24 mircea_popescu: i see nobody wishes to engage the cunt problem. but yes, IT DOES RUN ON PERL.
mircea_popescu: the "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" and " i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved" are physically and entirely the same exact thing.
asciilifeform: from the pov of 'who does not want to believe, will not' ?
asciilifeform: sure.
mircea_popescu: ie, not merely "just says wasp". i am actually saying there is no way to distinguish between the two.
mircea_popescu: in the very strict terminology of the turing test : if you get a mystery box you can't explain whether it contains type 1 moron or type 2 moron.
asciilifeform: the wasp himself however can certainly distinguish b/w own species and other.
mircea_popescu: chimichurri, who is a boy, went once to the lake, where a dominant duck tried to fuck him.
mircea_popescu: distinguish nothing -- they just spray and pray.
mircea_popescu: cunts run on perl, remember ?
asciilifeform: do the wasps tho. iirc they're quite picky re pheronomal key.
asciilifeform: grr where was that old link, where walrus fucks penguin to death.
asciilifeform: iirc it was a BingoBoingo find. BingoBoingo do you remember ?
mircea_popescu: well, this is where the wasp analogy breaks down -- because there is no way to distinguish between the speshul snowflake "engineer" and the speshul snoflake douchebag.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: diff is that the latter goes around begging, whereas the former has some hole he drilled into fed pipe and drinks from it (while green comes out)
asciilifeform: sorta like diff b/w mosquito and flea
mircea_popescu: this is a difference of all the substance of "difference between car and car is that car is parked while car is moving"
asciilifeform straps on heavy gas mask
mircea_popescu: the begging and the drinking are states, both items switch through them.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is aristotelically determined not to see a diff when it dun suit him, i got nuffin
BingoBoingo: This walrus raping a penguin and getting the gull hot? https://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gifv
mircea_popescu: well what is the difference ?! is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-31#1883795 the point of breakdown perhaps ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-31 03:56 mircea_popescu: Mocky if this may help you take heart, ~everyone's employability is ~epsilon in the us. "jobs" work as alt-welfare conduits, no genuine productivity is present or contemplated.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo , is exactly the item
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244625 << Unable to find the first instance. Already referenced as existing a few lines up from the link ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 23:49 mircea_popescu: the result being that behaviour in the walrus gif
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe you're right, and the problem is i've predetermined not to see it. but then again this is a terrifyingly weak argument, because of its association with a dutch moron called søren, whose bright idea it was to propose that the reason you don't see what distinguishes his fsm from all the others is that you don't want to!!!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are public fools, who spam impotently; and there are other folx, whose existence, however wretched/inca-besotten, is silent . i see the latter as less loathesome. this may be an ideological diff, i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: i honestly could as well see it, for the same money i don't see it. not like it costs me.
asciilifeform: spamola, in the most general sense of word, i.e. 'folx who have 0 to say , but open mouth anyway' is imho the principal plague of our time. so from this pov i see diff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you were saying something like "lice are better than fleas, because i personally have a serious problem with jumping" it'd even be one thing, idiosyncratic but specific. what seems to me you're saying though, is "the flying mosquitoes are worse than the ones settled, because i hate flying", and then beiung surprised by the necessary and equally obvious "but alf -- trhe same ones fly and settle in turns!"
asciilifeform: i recall in buenosaires there were mosquitoes, but somehow they could not penetrate my skin, i watched and laffed as 1 tried
mircea_popescu: how does "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" in incadom distinguish from spammer ?
asciilifeform: and indeed found'em to be less loathesome than the ones in washingtonistan.
mircea_popescu: not like he's ~making something~.
asciilifeform: i suppose oughta separate the 'which one would rather be condemned to' from 'which moar loathesome to the olympian observer'
asciilifeform: they aint fully separate in my head, cuz i aint an olympian
mircea_popescu: in the end this is the problem, isn't it -- you think that ~yes he is~ making something -- turbine parts. as if the parts have an existence beyond and above the incadom they're made in
mircea_popescu: ie, you're a materialist-idealist. though with some derrogations, you don't like importing the code of these turbine makers.,
asciilifeform: aaactually what little i've touched with own hands from 'made in usa' , comes 100% from these.
asciilifeform: granted, '80s-90s.
mircea_popescu: so basically, that's the dispute. you believe turbine part is turbine part qua se, and i'm gonna say, "but alf... these aren't turbine parts, they're ~religious artefacts~. similarity to actual turbine parts ~coincidental~."
asciilifeform: dunno, i have e.g. perfectly working logic analyzer here, made by one such.
asciilifeform: ( not even speaking of bolix or other 'holy war' fodders )
mircea_popescu: and then the conversation flows by itself, "suppose i test one of them artefacts and it matches turbine ?" "then you have ~made~ a turbine ~out of a~ religious artefact"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only rerason it is a logic analyzer is your "perfectly working" stamp.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it'd just be rubbish.
asciilifeform: or, say, 'commodore 64', built by ex-auschwitz inmate j. tramiel and 6 other d00dz in some barn.
mircea_popescu: you, alf, have literally produced such a logic analyzer, out of some raw materials. exact same process as electronics factory
mircea_popescu: just, you work with garbage, they work with pcbs
asciilifeform: so all rubbish until breath life into it ? can say this about anyffin at all neh.
asciilifeform: knife, fork, wrench.
mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of civilisations : dead and alive.
mircea_popescu: the dead are distinguished from the alive in that they're broken the meaning covenant.
asciilifeform: ( and on other end, it is literally troo of all rubbish -- if zeus could rearrange the atoms, dead racoon could be prime rib, or diamond, etc )
mircea_popescu: consequently, nothing of theirs can be trusted. they don't have objects in the usual sense. they have religious artefacts.
mircea_popescu: these can be studied, but can not be used.
asciilifeform: imho 30y+ ago they still made occasional object ( in mircea_popescu's sense )
mircea_popescu: until and unless human culture recoallesces into a form where i can trust their products, it will be the case we have an orc culture, where everything's suspect of poisoning.
mircea_popescu: in any and all cases -- the maker is he whose guarantee we accept.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even as late as 2005, in the subjective sense that i ~trusted~ them to.
asciilifeform: i aint about to disagree with this formula ( it's 100% of the thrust of vtronics, say )
asciilifeform: ( observe why asciilifeform regularly refers to his worx as 'junkyard wars' )
mircea_popescu: observed.
mircea_popescu: in the end this discussion turned out most productive. it makes obivous the distinction between the latins (very much alive) and the christians (deader than disco) : i very much expect a phrase lifted from petronius to ~work for me today~ ; i entirely expect any clipping of the "church fathers" to drip more poison than can be ever documented, and in no case be usable for anything.
asciilifeform: entertainingly, even the '80s-90s' proviso aint 100%; just last week i had occasion to plug in a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884363 , nominally made in some barn in usa, and it's a+++ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 15:12 asciilifeform: in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf !
asciilifeform: https://www.clearlysuperiortech.com << where it came from.
asciilifeform: ( found via phf's link from coupla yrs ago )
asciilifeform: thing is built like t34, can break heads with it.
mircea_popescu: "Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business. We take pride in our level of service and the quality and consistency of our products. We cater to all organizations and individuals that want or need easy button access and a large, easy to control ball with a high degree of durability."
mircea_popescu: sadly, novelty name rather than political declaration. but o well, better a fig than nothing at all.
asciilifeform: in so far as the artifact itself is concerned, i suspect they aint lyin'
mircea_popescu: i believe.
asciilifeform: somehow that shop stays in biz.
mircea_popescu: well, somehow. by not being too serious about that "clearly superior tech" thing.
asciilifeform: hm what would be then 'too serious'
asciilifeform: it's a pretty humble item.
asciilifeform: ( with -- afaik -- no meaningful competition on quality. sorta like fg )
mircea_popescu: aiming to replace the entire technological stack currently in use with their own, better alternative.
mircea_popescu: ~it's what the words say~. it's not "clearly better trackballs".
asciilifeform: a 3-man co that makes mice?!
asciilifeform: i'll buy the nitpick re the name tho. name 'writes cheque arse can't cash'
asciilifeform: ougtha be 'superior balls'.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i know literally 0 re the outfit aside from what's claimed in their www, and the fact that they made the 1st ballmouse i've touched and not wanted to throw into window
asciilifeform: and the latter in particular counts in favour of the hypothesis that yes, there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it dun 'replace whole techno-stack', no.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1033 has ENDED: 500 wired filthy fiats (WU) SOLD to BingoBoingo for 140mn ecu. Attn: lobbes
asciilifeform: a working ballmouse aint a wunderwaffen, no. but also not 'meaningless religious artifact' that can be entirely dismissed out of hand, imho.
asciilifeform: for that matter, even fg theoretically 'made in usa', by combo of asciilifeform's hands and hired pcb house
asciilifeform: or , e.g., that little disk gadget in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943
asciilifeform: also made fg-style (iirc even sores posted, and for ice40 no less)
asciilifeform: or the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751813 device. plenty of items right here on my desk. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 01:57 phf: asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb/ is that what you used for your model f?
asciilifeform: some d00d in a cellar, makes boards, sells.
asciilifeform: no 'hr'.
asciilifeform: i also sadly have artifacts made 'with hr'. that'd be the junk that worx on even-numbered calendar days ( crapple etc. )
asciilifeform: it is not difficult in practice to tell the diff, on the day you plug it in.
asciilifeform: this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet. ☟︎
asciilifeform: if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but i dun expect to live to see that philosopher's stone.
asciilifeform: in re the mouseball people, there is for instance rumour that they live mainly by selling shipboard ballmice to usg, for submarines.
asciilifeform: i can believe it.
asciilifeform: ( trad pc mouse cannot be used on ships or aircraft, for reasons i think are clear )
asciilifeform: i am unequipped to pontificate whether this counts as a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885478 tho. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 19:16 mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth.
asciilifeform: but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell lobbes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r6rks/?raw=true
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ( for aficionados of earlier subj -- http://xahlee.info/kbd/itac_mouse-trak_trackball.html compares a coupla similars )