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mircea_popescu: well, what doesn't starve you edifies you or how did it igo.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, perhaps re clocks though I keep thinking that the cheap ones were as clocks as current smartphones are computers
diana_coman: Mocky_, congrats; I guess.
mircea_popescu: well, for a long time the movements in cheap and expensive clocks were ~same, with mostly a difference of fineness, precision of machining, to distinguish them.
mircea_popescu: much like lenses, really, the difference between a very expensive and a very cheap glass wasn't substantial, both made of polished glass. but much different in implementation, made of complicatedly boiled glass hand polished over months or not.
mircea_popescu: this is obviously an approximation, and it holds as well as it holds. but what can you do.
diana_coman: I suppose the argument is that they still were the same thing i.e. that the fineness & precision differences were not so crucial as to make the result essentially something else; I can see it as such and fwiw that'd have been the default way to see it - if not for all the experience of "things that people call X and supposedly is made out of same things as X but different in implementation"
diana_coman: anyways, I'm not pushing this strongly as "this is how I actually think it was" - as I said previously, I don't think I know enough to have much to say either way
asciilifeform: guten morgen mircea_popescu , diana_coman
diana_coman waves
asciilifeform: i cannot resist to throw some petrol in the clocks fire : in the national museum in washingtonistan, i saw a matchbox-sized (1990s) device claiming to be miniaturized cesium clock. why the item aint available for a few bux from middlekingdom, however, remains to me a mystery. ( possibly in fact sham; or possibly some other explanation. )
asciilifeform: fwiw a standard commercial cesium clock sells 2ndhand for about 2/3 of what bolix did..
asciilifeform doesn't have 1 here, given as never yet perceived any pressing need for such thing
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/9W8vS << typical subj unit.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Could be China doesn't publish their national security export restricted list?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've nfi
BingoBoingo: I have no concrete idea, but the gulf in quality between export grade chinese tooling and domestic chinese tooling is suggestive
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from experience, i know that one can get decent-quality items built in cn if one simply ~pays for it~
asciilifeform: the xyz-pnoje-etc people -- do not pay for it, simply.
BingoBoingo: There's also the excellent Chicom crescent wrench acquired from tienda inglesa which surpases the quality of "crescent" brand crescent wrenches available commercially in USistan
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: was speaking of the variant where you contact manufacturer and upload toolings etc. and pay. rather than konsoomer retail.
BingoBoingo: AHA, but still even when china is shitting out products whether or not people ask quality varies and the US does not appear to recieve the best
asciilifeform: lol wai would it.
BingoBoingo: Why would Israel, "US Greatest Ally" still be recognzing Maduro in conflict with loud US delusions? Meteorology is an art.
asciilifeform: lol i missed this
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm digging through stuff and apparently Israel doesn't have a strong opinion on Vzla regime change is the US isn't going to have a strong opinion on Syria regime change seems to be the sentiment.
mircea_popescu: https://fetlife.com/users/9060666 << meanwhile in items of doubtful interest, "VulpesTwice 20F Domme".
asciilifeform: lol ben_vulpes ex ?!
mircea_popescu: muchly doubt it.
asciilifeform: ( twice-ex ??!11 )
BingoBoingo: Nice uid
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in sneap peeks, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rXJ9o/?raw=true << current draft of m-r litmus.
asciilifeform: ^ corrected in re diana_coman thread; and no longer relies on the squaring limit conjecture mentioned earlier.
asciilifeform: 2.541s / 4096b. input.
asciilifeform: will be interesting to test on '9000' koch-generated primes, and see if any... aint
phf: b
asciilifeform: wb phf
phf: still alive, been keeping up with the logs, but not much else
phf: unfortunately i failed to make careful note of various vpatch appearances. there's been some by people other than asciilifeform and diana_coman where the author didn't explicitly request a btcbase upload. so if anyone's explicitly missing a vpatch that they want to be up on btcbase, please leave note with me, privmsg also works
asciilifeform: phf: canhaz ch15 snarf plox ?
phf: si
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/corydon/ << Trilema -- Corydon
phf: asciilifeform: up to date
asciilifeform: ty phf !
mircea_popescu: they were some pretty thick logs, at that.
phf: i don't understand how anyone can read the logs with one eye, this shit's exponential: i'm behind on ffa, so the recent work on e.g. gcd or miller-rabin is particularly slow going.
asciilifeform: eh, gcd is what, 100ln.
asciilifeform: arguably barrett is the heavy ch., the algo in the given form dun appear anywhere else (e.g. knuth) and so reqs eating the included proof.
asciilifeform: phf: on other front entirely, you may find interesting, asciilifeform built an xray machine, some time in coming weeks when i get coupla otherwise free hrs, will take pics of the bolix..
asciilifeform: ( to go with the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2913 item )
mircea_popescu: the problem with knowledge : as reality scales with the set, knowledge scales with the powerset. not even calling it exponential does it justice.
asciilifeform: ( also possibly of phf interest, the scsi replacement gadget is an a++ win, full docs at http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943 )
phf: asciilifeform: yeap, i've been keeping up with what you've been publishing on the subject. i'm looking forward to your xray results, i mean that's not something i thought would be doable at home, even if a home lab
asciilifeform: phf: eh it's just pcb xray, not micrograph of ic
phf: oh oh
asciilifeform: micrograph, seems , will prolly have to wait until i get actual microscope here.
phf: i would not have been surprised though..
asciilifeform: it is, mind-bogglingly, cheaper than having it done by other hands, even chinese.
mircea_popescu: just don't hurt yourself.
asciilifeform: i was similarly astonished by how much the xray people wanted for ~1~ piddling pic
asciilifeform: ( ~3k ! )
asciilifeform: printing press , evidently, sent prices for various r&d service through the roof.
mircea_popescu: well, one possible explanation is "the smartphone revolution" : it managed to make say a butler overexpensive through the simple application of "why should i practice being stiff when i could just catpic all day". conceivably, if it managed to reduce the butler population to practical zero, it might've reduced others too.
mircea_popescu: ~nobody left that does work, because nobody left that can work, because nobody left that even knows what work fucking looks like.
asciilifeform: that's gotta be it, i cant think how else.
asciilifeform: !#s 0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b
a111: 1 result for "0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b
asciilifeform: ah hrm already in log.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/advprimes/index.html << perma-mirror of subj lul.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rk4Qe/?raw=true << ascii snapshot of same.
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , diana_coman , possibly other aficionados ^
asciilifeform: ( tldr : d00d generated 'threaded cock for smart arse' composites that break various heathen m-r proggies
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: incl. openssl, gmp, etc.
asciilifeform: apparently not only do the derps use prng for generating witness, but they seed it ~with the candidate n~
asciilifeform: pretty ham-handed, imho, 'nobus'ism.
asciilifeform: ( aug 14, 2018 )
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy. you gonna take an article off once you publish to show off both his tests and your results ?
asciilifeform: naturally
asciilifeform: ( already fed his N's to mine, it -- unsurprisingly -- does Right Thing )
asciilifeform: '...we construct a 1024-bit composite that is guaranteed to be declared prime by the GNU GMP library [Gt18] for anything up to and including 15 rounds of testing (the recommended minimum by GMP). This is as a result of GNU GMP initialising its PRNG to a static state and consequently using bases in its Miller-Rabin testing that depend only on n, the number being tested. We also show how base selection by randomly sampling from a fixed
asciilifeform: list of primes, as in Apple’s corecrypto library...' etc
asciilifeform: m-r is actually not easy to fuck up, but these folx tried hard, and -- succeeded...
asciilifeform: the're 'pros', see , they get 'donations' from microshit etc. and aaapparently ~this~ is whatfor.
mircea_popescu: the fucking gall of these imbecile schmucks, then turning around going "oh, you shouldn't amateur"
mircea_popescu: yeah, right. because there is such a thing as experts, and the femstate spawns them.
asciilifeform: no amateur can ever hope to equal this 'virtuosity'
mircea_popescu: exercises in narrative fiction for the fat and the dizzy.
asciilifeform: they're... 'experts'. of a kind. (in obfuscated-c, for instance.)
mircea_popescu: experts in narrative fiction.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: coupla of the authors of linked item are at uni of london. think you can get at'em ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't resist to bite : what's 'non-narrative' fiction ?
asciilifeform: sounds like 'oily oil'
asciilifeform: 'wet water'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other news, http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/ rather effectual in that bw usage dropped ~55% directly.
mircea_popescu: cheaper than buying another pipe, that's for damn sure.
asciilifeform: only 55?! must be some clever bot people ?
asciilifeform: i expected moar like 99+
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a narrative is a set of interconnected events. as long as no interconnectedness is proposed, it's not a narrative, whether fictitious or factual. so you could say a painting is plastic fiction (while a photography plastic realism). cuz they're not narrative.
asciilifeform: a aa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well no, but lots of people ~actually look~ at those images and so on.
mircea_popescu: there's of course an abundance of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-26#1890099 ; but as much as 15 maybe even 20% of the clickers simply do the right thing, go to trilema./ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-26 04:57 mircea_popescu: and i'm cordially invited to sponsor his delusion. and if i opt not to, he will... RETRY.
asciilifeform: makes sense.
asciilifeform: evidently there are still meat-people on net, somewhere.
mircea_popescu: not a particularly high bar, that.
asciilifeform: somewhat high bar; they found trilema, rather than lolcattube etc
mircea_popescu: "set an env variable" not quite the last word in terms of http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/#selection-231.1-231.42 "technololols"
asciilifeform: 'If either LibTomMath or TomsFastMath are selected, the pseudoprimes described in Section 4.9 (see Appendix I) will always be declared prime by the primality test.' << for the innocent : 'tommath' is 1 of those 'independent, not openssl' arithmetrons...
asciilifeform: or, in better-known turdolade, 'The Go programming language (GoLang) 1.10.3 [Goo18] created at Google in 2009 is an open source project including arbitrary-precision arithmetic and cryptographic functionality... ...the pseudorandom number generator used in this primality test is seeded with the tested number n.'
feedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/27/pizarro-update-january-27th-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro Update January 27th 2019