asciilifeform: meanwhile, in archaeology dept, http://macos9lives.com
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo , ben_vulpes , possibly other escapees from crapple, ^ et al might be entertained
ben_vulpes: awwww
asciilifeform: the discussion of latency reminds me of the 1990s bebox enthusiasts
ben_vulpes: 8.6 was peak macos in my book
asciilifeform: although they very much have a point, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763155 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 16:05 asciilifeform: but in very unrelated lulz, https://archive.is/bON1p >> 'It’s a bit absurd that a modern gaming machine running at 4,000x the speed of an apple 2, with a CPU that has 500,000x as many transistors (with a GPU that has 2,000,000x as many transistors) can maybe manage the same latency as an apple 2 in very carefully coded applications if we have a monitor with nearly 3x the refresh rate.'
asciilifeform: the commonplace pc is rubbish in re latency. and absolutely worthless for realtime signal processing.
asciilifeform: even under 'realtime linux'
asciilifeform tried, for machine tool control. rubbish.
mp_en_viaje: shit, peakx reminds me, what the hell happened to that whole peak oil craze.
asciilifeform: happened?
mp_en_viaje: when's you last heard sbout it ? cca 2012ish or so neh ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pretty much every orlol post, lol. tho he has an epicycle to explain why it dun push up price of barrel monotonically : demand destruction
asciilifeform unequipped to refute or confirm the notion
mp_en_viaje: eh, at some point it was a major mainstream item, late 00s or so. kinda bicoin of the period, $item every office drone hasta know about / if you don't have "formed your own oppinion
mp_en_viaje: ' you cant be properly called man.
asciilifeform: pretty sure it was only ever 'mainstream' among the folx who were 'imminent remonetization of gold' etc.
trinque suspected cunning bastards at $oilcorp marketing dept
mp_en_viaje: naaa
mp_en_viaje: it was genuine craze, like "greenhouse gases" or "berlin wall" or what have you
mp_en_viaje: "war in europe"
asciilifeform: orlol just recently ( last wk ? ) put out a claim of 'smallest new petrodiscoveries in any year since 1943' but i have nfi with what he could substantiate such a statement
asciilifeform: afaik 0 of the required info is at all public.
asciilifeform: for the obvious reason.
mp_en_viaje: eh gtfo, smallest test drill bugdet since 1950
mp_en_viaje: i suspect everyone's waiting for that global warming to melt the rich north. canada, russia, there's where to find
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, wtf demand for oil is supposed to be destructed ? more cars on road than ever in history.
ben_vulpes: also US shale producers "walking and chewing gum" at the same time; many squeezed operations down into productivity despite opec production increase and still managed to borrow and open up more reserves
mp_en_viaje: you should see fucking $200 a month clombia. it is SO BAD they have two colors of plates, and yellow (normal people) can only go every other day
shinohai: yeah thats a point mp_en_viaje
mp_en_viaje: which, of course, as all socialist idiocy, resulted in everyone buying >2 cars.
asciilifeform: i'm unequipped to comment, because i do not consider the sources accessible to me on www, to be anything other than disinfo; and having no line to petroseekritz meself, leaves ~0 ; so cannot add to this.
mp_en_viaje: ben_vulpes, yeah, the saudi genius dood's plan worked as wel las if nuland made it.
ben_vulpes: yup, they blinked
asciilifeform: the americans indeed have the cars; they sit parked on the street; but lacking work to commute to, they dun eat petrol so much. hence orlol's 'destruction' observation.
shinohai: for me it worked on premise that "private messages" were always gpg encrypted
mp_en_viaje: eh bs. there's 300mn usians not going anywhere and 2bn orcs going around in circles
ben_vulpes: likely a large factor in this "corruption" witchhunt even "omfg blew trillions trying to put the us shale market out of biz, need to recoup from somewhere"
mp_en_viaje: you understand bogota is 2x the size of ny ? you've not seen traffic jams this good in ny. not since.... well never, back when it still mattered they didn't have the cars.
mp_en_viaje: ben_vulpes, it is to me unclear how orcistan (mineral producerI could be said to have realised losses.
asciilifeform: nao i gotta see this
mp_en_viaje: russia, saudi arabia, or a random streetwalker are in the same position : the cunt they sell has little relation to the money people make in an economy they're no tpart of.
mp_en_viaje: so you know, how did whore "lose a trillion" ?
asciilifeform: selling minerals is exactly same 'lottery winner's disease', this was known long ago
mp_en_viaje: no, but this is fantasy fullfillment wank among the girls themselves, "oh, the gringo paid gordita x 599 and i'm so much better then her so every time i suck it for a 20 i lose out 579". rrrrrheheheheally.
mp_en_viaje: your item is worth $0, everything you get for it is green, get off the "losses" nonsense.
asciilifeform: riaa-'losses' lol
asciilifeform: ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777333 . )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-26 23:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777305 << 'One of Japan’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges said that about $400 million in NEM tokens ...' >> asciilifeform was replacing a ceiling light and lost a screw, which he arbitrarily will value at 500 trillion unified reformed dubloons
mp_en_viaje: losses are a product of optionality. wtf optinality does saudi have ? if they don't sell it they could also... sell it ? o wow. such options.
asciilifeform: that's on the sane people planet. on the idjit orc planet, 'loss' is the delta between the fantasy 'i am worth!' and the actuality.
mp_en_viaje: yaya
mp_en_viaje: btw asciilifeform you might enjoy columbia for the following unexpected property :
mp_en_viaje: they seem 100% unaware us exists. at all. "americano" strictly means newworlder and other than this there is 0 reference. anywhere.
asciilifeform: this is attractive.
asciilifeform: iirc they also serve up coca like tobacco there? or is that long ago gone
mp_en_viaje: i've not seen any. i suspect drug reports to be greatly exagerated
asciilifeform: prolly; they seem to always follow the familiar pattern of 'i heard from a sailor that he heard...'
mp_en_viaje: in any case, san jose cr is permeated by perpetual skunk
mp_en_viaje: here, not so far smelled any. no visible intoxication, no methgirls...
ben_vulpes: mp_en_viaje: well they didn't offset the costs of eleventy thousand princelings while the spigots were open...
asciilifeform not aficionado, in any case
mp_en_viaje: ben_vulpes, conceivably. tho the golden age of saudi prince seem more like 80s.
mp_en_viaje: if the shah of brunei can
mp_en_viaje: t find ONE woman he likes...
ben_vulpes: certainly, golden age of individual prince has long since passed, but the sheer number of them running around are such that they even raise the hackles of normally entirely diversity++ towns like portland, with the all-reflective nissans etc
ben_vulpes: running over our children, etc
mp_en_viaje: yes but how many billions does a nissan cost.
mp_en_viaje: ITS A FUCKING NISSAN FFS. seems to me you just deliverd my point right there.
ben_vulpes: few, but how many princelings are now running around. the nissans are saved for the poorest, who don't even get into nyu.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno.
ben_vulpes: hey it was a nice one!!1 "don't laugh, it's paid in full" or whatever that bumper sticker says
mp_en_viaje: how many feckless usgistani boys in business school tell listless, confused girlies from ohio they're saudi princes i could not guess. bu the fambly itself is under 2k.
asciilifeform in 25+yr on east usa has yet to see 'reflective nissan' or anything self-labeled or otherwise as 'arab prince'
asciilifeform: somehow they all ended up on ben_vulpes's end
mp_en_viaje: maybe there's better tail there
asciilifeform: gotta be some reason.
ben_vulpes: doubtful, all the girls out here spend all day on twitter triggering themselves.
asciilifeform: re vintage crapple upstack, https://archive.is/2acLZ >> specifically comment http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8fQK2/?raw=true
asciilifeform: funnily enuff asciilifeform once worked in exactly such a lab
asciilifeform: ( where 68k crapples were lovingly cared for, they controlled ~irreplaceable heavy machinery )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778333 << i actually run os 9 on all of my ppc devices. it's got MCL, simple games, pixel perfect graphics (something i have soft spot for) and shit ton of perfectly workable software.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 00:05 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in archaeology dept, http://macos9lives.com
asciilifeform: the graphics in particular , i gotta concur with
asciilifeform: i'm still looking for something that ran that os, that will eat an ssd
mp_en_viaje: wut is ppc here ?
asciilifeform: ( several unsuccessful attempts litter asciilifeform's parts room )
phf: mp_en_viaje: powerpc
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: old cpu
mp_en_viaje: ah
asciilifeform: derived orig from ibm's 'power'
phf: i suspect mp knows what powerpc is, in logs frequently, but the common abbreviation is rarely used
asciilifeform: ( which interestingly is still made, 5GHz and, what, 40core power9 , released just few wks ago, beats shit out of intel's item )
mp_en_viaje: means all sorts of other thngs. pockt pc, payperclick, etc
asciilifeform: lol, and nazi pistol
asciilifeform: or was that ppk.
mp_en_viaje: ppsh ?
asciilifeform: unrelated
asciilifeform: was thinking of walther ppk.
mp_en_viaje: a
asciilifeform: the one der fuhrer himself ate.
mp_en_viaje: polizeipistol
asciilifeform: aha it
phf: "walther ppk, 7.65 millimetre. only three men i know use such a gun and i believe i've killed two of them."
asciilifeform: phf: on what do you have os9 running ?
asciilifeform: ( apparently there is an entire underground of folx trying to patch it to boot on g5 etc... i had nfi until nao )
asciilifeform: i'll also admit to being curious re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778337☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 00:06 ben_vulpes: 8.6 was peak macos in my book
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes : why 8.6
phf: i don't remember specific designators, a g3 ibook that was a hand me down when i was poor and just came to this country, a g4 powerbook that i bought since it was "last model to run os 9", a wallstreet that someone game recently (i like the "my name is the plague" kind of feel to it, but have no use for it)
phf: and a powermac g4, that i haven't booted in a while. i'm pretty sure it has netbsd on it though
asciilifeform: curious re the 'last model' in particular
asciilifeform: which machine is it.
phf: k, one sec
phf: a1025
asciilifeform: ty
asciilifeform: i have a -- what i think is -- 'lombard'. but with ancient and dying mechanical hdd, and it won't eat literally anything in its place, tried repeatedly.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> i can sadly report that ye olde days of raping the chambermaids and somon fumee buffet breakfast are all gone. << Butt the accents are clear and they open their mouths to speak!
asciilifeform: ( thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631238 & elsewhere )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 23:43 asciilifeform: btw maybe pete_dushenski can tell me the seekrit of how to get 'lombard' to eat an ssd.
phf: you probably want this https://everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/last-macs-to-boot-startup-macos-9.html though i think i used a different table for reference
asciilifeform: phf: ha, i had nfi a1025 could eat os9. i have 1 (nao sadly dead mb) in the hardware tomb.
phf: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.0.html
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what exactly is 'ada apache' ? << Done right prolly something similar to lighttpd without the C
asciilifeform: phf: right, exactly it
asciilifeform: the one with the cast iron hinges that were guaranteed to crack after 500 or so flexings
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, sure, i've no complaints.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've been quietly looking into 'what's needed in a www server' for a while. good chunk of 'expected' liquishit can be jettisoned without any tears (e.g. requests ~other than~ GET and PUT . fuck'em )
mp_en_viaje: by the time you're stuck forcing yourself on zee maids you've got other problems should be attending to anyway ; and one can always buy his own breakfast.
phf: there was a fat guy at 2600 meetups in dc (in crystal city, which are unfortunately no more), who was doing infosec for mil and who always had cool toys. i mean coming from moscow in the 90s, all these people casually showing off the $3000 equipment, talking of dumpster diving whole computers, it was kind of like moving into The Hackers. culture ~completely~ dead
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> 8.6 was peak macos in my book << 7.5.1
asciilifeform: phf: i went to 1 or 2 of those particular meets
asciilifeform: was epic snoar
asciilifeform: no one had anyffin but prattle
asciilifeform: no magic iron, in particular
phf: well, it's because you went there for content :> i was doing socializing with americans and such
phf: that was 2002 or so
asciilifeform: i did however get to dumpsterdive whole comps. but that was elsewhere, in long-demolished-nao office parks of suburbia.
asciilifeform: for many years in fact had no other kind of iron.
phf: yeah, those guys would organize dumpster diving runs
phf: which was convenient since i didn't really know the area at all
asciilifeform never would have conceived of revealing to another, where the magical dumps were, lol
mp_en_viaje: i think the thing now is "run through abandoned in fac tbut not on books mil bases, take pics".
mp_en_viaje: the scenes move, right.
mp_en_viaje apologizes for the approximated spelling. new kbd.
trinque pulled a rack and couple servers out of the trash behind some biotech lab when ~16
phf: there's a strange lul in the scene, because necessary aged youngsters are glued to ipads. and i'm not just being an old grandpa, there's literally a whole generation missing at the outside activities
mp_en_viaje: hm. iirc we even had them in the logs. here's our run of chernobyl here;s our run of nevada nuclear missil base etc
mp_en_viaje: they're fewer by headcount than the "erryone empowered" stuff in the 90s, granted. but it may be better quality.
mp_en_viaje: phreaker scene, pre internet (really, killed by internet) was also less numerous, but arguably stronger individually
asciilifeform: i always assumed that those are eternal, but simply not in my light cone
asciilifeform: rather than vanished
phf: oh right right, that was a while ago though, i suspect that photographing ue for livejournal has been a decade long activity. they've just been increasing the boldness
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> they seem 100% unaware us exists. at all. "americano" strictly means newworlder and other than this there is 0 reference. anywhere. << AHA, this weekend I heave heard the word "gringo" more than any other time so far because a New Zealander tried to insist he and I are gringos to a couple of Chilenas, and they Chilenas had to keep telling him BingoBoingo es un gringo, pero the New Zealander was just a very tall, pale asian
mp_en_viaje: well "when did i tstart" is always an iffy q. but to my mind that's the current scene.
phf: there was that russian team that was breaking into scyscapers in jetsetter cities and taking risky pictures, but i think that died with the rubble crash
mp_en_viaje: much like you know, the 0day/elecart scene was THE scene mid 90s
phf: well, that's good, cause then i can relax for a bit!
mp_en_viaje: phf, why do you think it died ? going by what, some measure of www activity /
phf: actually i don't know! i'm in a bad place, spatially, DC is literally the worst place to keep tabs on this kind of stuff. everything seems dead, but i know if i were to just travel two hours north there's going to be updates on what's happening
mp_en_viaje: dc is a shithole. but... i dunno, im unconvinced by the theory "kids today" = ded. the mass is about as motile as a fish in vinegar, yes. but .. they always were.
phf: but i think that it died on the tail end of "asians who were all black outfits made of space materials", which is a kind of postcyberpunk think that happened in the 00s.
phf: *wear all
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> here, not so far smelled any. no visible intoxication, no methgirls... << Here lots of cannabis and they discovered edibles so you see a lot of intoxication without the smell. Only they very poor and New Zealanders seem to seek out stims.
mp_en_viaje: arguably the other scene is the chemhipsters.
mp_en_viaje: whole lotta "what does this potion do" self-experimentation.
mp_en_viaje: it's sad in that it will go strictly nowhere, but... what can you do.
phf: oh yeah, but again, slowed down, because of analog regulations. 5 years or so you had all these labs popping up, tweaking common chemicals (like ketamine into methoxetamine)
mp_en_viaje: there's more today than a year ago.
mp_en_viaje: from what i can see it grew each year since pre bitcoin. 2007ish
BingoBoingo: The great geopolitical risk is that the stoners do to Uruguay what the trannies are doing to USia... a malignant species of nothing
mp_en_viaje: it's not physically possible, you know, to have the same silly "informationsuperhighway" wank today. scenes are usually borne of specific ignorances which permit specific hopes to flourish. so today its photorecon-parkour and self-administered drmengele.
mp_en_viaje: spiderman got bit by a strange bottle, right ? it wasn't a prepubescent girly some dood in british academia was trying not to actually fuck. it was spiderman!
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i don
mp_en_viaje: t think anyone imagines uruguay can be genoa of 2020.
BingoBoingo: Not at all, but it imagines it is a place that can keep enough Brasileros happy to not turn into a small Argnetina
mp_en_viaje: with any luck....
mp_en_viaje: i have a new theory by the way. so bogota is ~8mn inhabitants. and there's DISTINCT signs of argentinetardation. but i mean itemized, multiple strands, quite visible. eyt the folk themselves aren't at all similar, not fenotypically nor culturally.
mp_en_viaje: in no case is the farc-ready colombian any kind of argentino dickless "letrado".
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: oh hm like what ? getting stuck in doorways ?
mp_en_viaje: i suspect the sheer size of town may have deleterious effects. "go over 5mn pop at your fucken peril
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, girl called desk to call me a cab. desk wanted to know where it's going. insistently. when they didn't get what they want, they OPTED NOT TO DO WHAT TOLD.
asciilifeform: what do folx in a 5M+ city busy themselves with anyway..? they can't all drive cabs or sell stocks
mp_en_viaje: and when i tell the girly there "when you are told to get cab you get cab" she had BUTS in her schedule!
mp_en_viaje: fancy that wonder.
phf: oh yeah, scenes have that property discussed in thread about opensource, once it's named it's over. i'm actually more interested not in the scenes themselves, but in how they evolve one into another and how differrent scenes influence each other. something dies, gets replaced by some mutation of something else resurrected, or rediscovered, etc. etc. etc.
mp_en_viaje: but there's plenty of other things. utterly inept real estate market, exact same thingas buenos aires -- 500k+ units on market, high prices for no reason, 500 close a yeat at MOST, rest happy to wait.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: that sounds ominous. prolly symptom of americanization. '3ringbinder said 'must say where cab will go or no cab', so no cab'
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, 0 detectable usg influence in ANY way i can see
trinque: lol what do they do in americaland, "buy and sell stocks, and drive cab"
asciilifeform: then gotta be the traditional 'i do what i want' orcism
mp_en_viaje: phf, i suspect this nver happens, "evolve into one another". seems t ome it'salways 100% new biostock
trinque: I would've said this in jest of soviet perceptions of AMERICA (TM)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, ro consul here thinks its a lot of you know, money laundering.
trinque: "why, they sit at a big table in a skyscraper and shout 'business!' at each other"
phf: mp_en_viaje: new biostock, but rarely invents anything new, mostly just copies something they read in a magazine they found in the attic
mp_en_viaje: he may be right, but it was not that in argentina, those fuckfaces have 0 capital.
mp_en_viaje: phf, how's this apply to the "ima photograph missile silo" set for instance ?
mp_en_viaje: cuz they saw 1990s french algerian parkour mags ?
phf: well, but ue has a long line of doings, likewise livejournal has a long line of doings. so happens that the two long lines connect at some historic point, because both on certain trajectories
mp_en_viaje: (note the parallelism is VERY marked -- that was attempt of body-fetishized africans to retake a space that was very hostile. this -- muchly also)
asciilifeform: tangentially, re '0 usg influence' -- did they ever kick out usg's herbicide-bomber fleet from colombia ?
asciilifeform: or still flyin'
phf: actually, yeah! it travels, sometimes directly sometimes indirectly. i mean, there's definitely a direct connection between 1990s parkour and early 00s missile silo photography
mp_en_viaje: "african is only good for muscles/big dick" + "do not step on the grass" => parkour. "we tell you when you can have a drink" + "MILITARY SIKRITS" - this thinghow you call it
mp_en_viaje: phf, but i have my doubts they ever saw the underground mags. for one hand, half of them hand made, for other in french
mp_en_viaje: usians read french, so much so it alters their behaviour ?
phf: yeah, but they saw the youtube of same
mp_en_viaje: monkey see... quite possible
phf: in 2009 or so, if you did ue at night, there was always a person who was body aware, who would've heard of parkour or was practicing it. shit, half of america was doing parkour in the 05? 15? i don't remember
mp_en_viaje: somewhere in between
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, recently they had some somer odf disarmament deal, saw person today aggitating for farc to be included as voting bloc in their electroal process...
mp_en_viaje: ive nfi specifically. but on the strength of eyewitness reports, both cali and medellin are just about where they were 20 / 50 ya
asciilifeform: sounds like a sad end, sorta like the irish thing
asciilifeform: or hm.
asciilifeform has deeply nfi, it may as well all be on alpha centauri, from his perch
mp_en_viaje: ie, "there's this neighbourhood, they kidnap 2-3 tourists each they. but generally they reappear a day or two later, clothes all ragged up and all dizzy like" "sounds like a helluva party"
mp_en_viaje: i can see who'd go for a kidnap as an activity.
phf: kidnap experience, 5000eur basic package
mp_en_viaje: can you say you know no one who'd go ?
phf: that's where you're just groped by two brazilian lads. of course there's also the executive package, 20000eur, where you're forced to perform mildly degrading sexual acts in front of a masked audience
mp_en_viaje: eh gtfo, nobody here has seen 5k in a pile like ever. what 20k.
asciilifeform: waiwat? in cocainistan?!
phf: well, they won't see it either, the whole adventure is organize by a swiss middle man, utmost discretion
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes. what, this is surprising ?
mp_en_viaje: nobody in usgistan saw the printingpress either.
asciilifeform: bbbut briefcases of benjies!11
mp_en_viaje: yaya. who's gonna show them what's inside.
mp_en_viaje: phf, ya lol.
asciilifeform: troo, i never saw what's in obummer's briefcase also.
mp_en_viaje: so there you go.
asciilifeform: right.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff i ~did~ see the printing press.
asciilifeform: ( the literal one. at one time, long now gone, one could get -- by appointment -- a tour... )
mp_en_viaje: btw, in other lulz : the "executive suite" here has corner desk. in case i'm you know, so used to my vp corner office i would fill remiss without the L item.
mp_en_viaje: aeron chair too.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: they had also in bucharest
mp_en_viaje: aha. who the fuck even uses those things ?
mp_en_viaje: i mean, the ottoman before the bed. yes. yes ofcourse. but this ?
asciilifeform: i can't think of who or why
asciilifeform: i suppose it is for sitting and shouting 'biznis!!' , per trinque's picture...
phf: they are perhaps there for fucking
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i meant the current item, the blessed ipad where yellen adds the zeroes
mp_en_viaje: not museum pieces
mp_en_viaje: phf, on an office table ? why, to chastise the poor girl ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: well it wasn't a museum piece, was printing out a coupla mil in old-fashioned paperbenjies per minute. but i get the idea.
phf: not enough clearance for the head, perhaps if only across
mp_en_viaje: and in other lulz, sex toy's shop (nfi why the dildo store needs the possessive plural, but it is very common) had fustas (crops)
mp_en_viaje: utterly terrible. i nearly bought one for its cargo cult quality
mp_en_viaje: 100% how the item would look if made by people who saw but never used crops.
phf: you'd know it was the real deal if they were selling shillelaghs instead
mp_en_viaje: lel
mp_en_viaje: also, you know, very matriarchal structure, somehow. anecdote : bought some i dun recall what from respectable (and very competent, and eager to do well) middle aged woman in shop. as we left she called girl back, all worried like,
mp_en_viaje: to warn her not to go with purse open like that, there's thieves! to which i retorted that theres nothing of value in there anyway, which completely blocked her.
mp_en_viaje: how, just HOW!!!! could the purse not be the definitive holder of all value!
mp_en_viaje: i fully expect that aspiring middle class adolescents do this as a courtship thing, dood asks girl he fancies to "hold on to his wallet" in her purse or something.
mp_en_viaje: sorta like how girl might ask dood to hold on to her keys in gringolandia
phf: a societal markov chain
mp_en_viaje: best kind there is
phf: i thought they were a macho culture though, seems like it would be "zapadlo" to make woman protect your possessions for you
mp_en_viaje: other anecdote : different woman, ~same age, warned ~me~ to put my wad away, there's thieves. this one, you see, hadn't yet accepted her age. so she was being useful, "if you had one like me, your cash would be so protected. ask me to follow ?"
phf: there's women so poor, purses contain everything of value they have in general
mp_en_viaje: they're a false macho culture. like the us is a false technical culture.
mp_en_viaje: aus krummem holze...
phf: short of direct robbery i'm always mystified by this thieves thing. thank you, i utterly lack spatial awareness and if not for your warning i would've had this wad of cash yanked straight outta my hand!
mp_en_viaje: religious fanatics going about yelling "our church of santa fe de mit is da premiere technologistical church IN DE WERLD"
mp_en_viaje: phf, there is such a thing as a snatcher, and such a thing as a pickpocket. though... social behaviours serve social purposes. "it's dangerous!!!" for instance works very well for selection. anecdote : ro consul introduced pretty girl, intern at embassy. over sushi she confessed her unimpressment in local boys, "i was walking down candeleria and these dorks were lke o no, it's gotten dark, it's dangerous and soon enough made themselves scarce. wel...
mp_en_viaje: ."
mp_en_viaje: "boy who believes mother will never get himself laid, because mother tells him things that'll help girl to know not to fuck him". society neh.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778594 << these 'well wishers' were pestilential in timis☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 02:19 mp_en_viaje: other anecdote : different woman, ~same age, warned ~me~ to put my wad away, there's thieves. this one, you see, hadn't yet accepted her age. so she was being useful, "if you had one like me, your cash would be so protected. ask me to follow ?"
mp_en_viaje: by now securitywank is the premier, if not only left, avenue of strangers talk.
mp_en_viaje: notice that kid coming in here wants to talk to us about... yes ? security!
mp_en_viaje: sorta like how soccer, or "politicians are thieves" worked in 90s post warsaw pact world. reliable agreement items.
asciilifeform regaled with endless tales (3rdhand, naturally) of pickpockets by various folx, severely 'overengineered' his pockets, for travels, and felt quite foolish on occasion , 'ok before i pay, let me do this here stage magic with cloth', 'no it aint up me arse' etc )
mp_en_viaje: lmao
mp_en_viaje: if you but always look at people looking at your eyes, seems improbable anyone's ever pickpocketing you.
asciilifeform: bbut legendary pickpocket arts!1
asciilifeform: though on asciilifeform's home world, pickpocketry was largely a thing practiced on public transport, where 'contact' was less noticed
asciilifeform: i did not go in any standing-room public transport, with the exception of short train ride in bucharest
mp_en_viaje: where do you keep your dough, affixed with chewing gum to the back of your shoe ?
asciilifeform: last time sorta sewed in, lol
mp_en_viaje: anyway, pickpocket is a sort of picking pennies in front of steamroller, which is why desperation art, rare when food's abundant. every success is pocket change, failure can be a severe beating or worse.
mp_en_viaje: so the pickpocket is both very attentive and very easily discouraged.
asciilifeform: hm, i pictured it was a serious thing, in orc world where proper cash is still in use errywhere
mp_en_viaje: also why associated with ~inept~ whores. gals like http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/#selection-77.0-77.504
asciilifeform: ( in usa, pickpocket will die of frustration before even starvation, ~nobody uses actual paper money )
asciilifeform: or at least nobody who rides trains or buses
mp_en_viaje: stolen cc prolly worth more than average orc pockets contents
asciilifeform: cc is stolen 'cleanly', copied by shop clerks, waiters, no reason to go into pockets
mp_en_viaje: well... "it is here". reason.
asciilifeform: pocket will realize it's missing , quickly
mp_en_viaje: not even. "maybe i misplaced it". people have lots.
mp_en_viaje: i knew women with >dozen in active use
asciilifeform: srsly?!
asciilifeform: who, saudi princesses ?
mp_en_viaje: it boggled my mind, but then it turned out common practice.
phf: when i was a child i wanted to be able to catch a pickpocket, in the process, and then invite him to work for me (i'm not sure doing what, but you know build a team of highly skilled thieves or somesuch), kind of like how it was in the opener of Thief game. unfortunately by the time i actually had money to cary, it didn't seem like a particularly interesting idea
asciilifeform never saw this, maybe it was in past era
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, a no, lower middle class sorta gals beffudled at "omg lobster is so much more expensive than hamburger paste" "a dollar ?" "YES!"
asciilifeform: phf: lol!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i think there was briefly an era of 'easy' creditcard, when given like candy, in bush 1st term. nao gone
mp_en_viaje: phf, i spotted lots, mostly getting the butt pocket. nfi why people kept wallets in there in the 80s
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, my memories of us are early 2ooos
asciilifeform: they had these tables on uni campus, issuing cc to freshmen, etc in 2000s
asciilifeform: aa! so then yes.
mp_en_viaje: i expect the "observe whore, invite to work for me" is more like a phase in sexual life of adolescent.
phf: heh
mp_en_viaje: no ?
phf: oh it totally makes sense
phf: particularly when all these scenarios have a consistent "and she turned out to be a pretty girl" punch line
mp_en_viaje: and cook well and love you in the seinfeld sense
mp_en_viaje: (when i'm sick -- you'd better be there with the soup!)
mp_en_viaje: anyway, nothing wrong with the basic instinct of manhood, it gave us domesticated dog and so on.
phf: given the general going ons i wouldn't mind "basic instinct of manhood" as a kind of working baseline, to improve upon later
mp_en_viaje: certainly.
mp_en_viaje: heck, whole republic is nigh on predicated on it, "observe item almost work, invite it to genesis".
mp_en_viaje: who knows, maybe gnat even turns out to have ai.
asciilifeform: lol
mp_en_viaje: it is just about as possible!
asciilifeform: great thread, incidentally, on ave1's new www.
mp_en_viaje: link ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778218☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-30 16:45 asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/#comment-15
asciilifeform: d00d is pretty good i dare say at askingquestions .
mod6: evenin'
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
mod6: hai!
asciilifeform spent some time today reading 'risc-v' ( see earlier thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739645 ) proponents' arguments against the carry flag. apparently they're not entirely retarded, flags indeed make pipelineism 10x moarcomplex☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 17:36 asciilifeform: the only way to detect overflow on risc-v is the algo i used in ffa.
asciilifeform: but i see it as really argument against pipelines, not against flags...
asciilifeform: also finally found what appears at least on surface to be a knockdown argument ~in favour of bigendianism~ :
asciilifeform: it obstructs in the concealment of c casting bugolade
asciilifeform: ( on little-endian box, e.g. uint32_t with 'most of the time'-range below 255 will be 'safely' castable to char/uint8_t , and often is... )
asciilifeform: 256
asciilifeform: on bigendian -- such idiocy immediately lethal
asciilifeform: it is not imho wholly coincidental that microshit, as early as '80s, proclaimed a fatwa against bigendianism and promised eternal support for littleendian cpu strictly.
asciilifeform: ( and to this day kept to it, e.g. NT existed for dec alpha, little endian, but never afaik ppc or sparc, big- )
mp_en_viaje: well that fucking sucked.
mod6: bdsm club was a bust?
mp_en_viaje: as far as anyone knows, the only bdsm thing in this 8 mn strong city is an item calling itself "club sweet perversions" and limiting self to a facebook page, because why the fuck not, right. if you call their number (319 2137590) some dorky woman tells you it's on caracas and 62nd. except when you actually get there and there's no such thing (just a buncha three story love hotels with overexcited porters trying to get you to park in!!!). then she tur
mp_en_viaje: ns the phone off, because totally, that's the way to win.
mp_en_viaje: bogota night life is like buenos aires night life, present in the form of a choir invisible only.
mod6: ugh
mp_en_viaje: you should see how fucking deserted the streets are. maaaybe five people per mile, of which four police. DANGEROUS
mp_en_viaje: how the fuck can an empty street be dangerous ? what's it gonna do, fall on you ?
mod6: i like your sense of adventure
mp_en_viaje: i dunno man...
mod6: bogota is supposed to be uber dangerous area, you figure, let's inspect this danger. only to find, no one is even there!
mp_en_viaje: the 90s were a lot better for partying, i'll tell you that. it's not clear to me that out of the entire world as it stands you can produce enough night life for a middling 90s town.
mp_en_viaje: imagine this, here i sit in bogota, columbia, like a man in a desert.
mp_en_viaje: mod6, cuz they keep talking to each other, end up believing all sorts of shit.
mod6: ya, rumor upon rumor. "i heard they ride motorcycles and shoot eachother"
mod6: were there a lot of young kids on motorcycles with uzis?
mp_en_viaje: it's larger than fucking ny. they'd bettuer fucking ride motorcycles and shoot each other SOMEWHERE
mod6: haha.
mp_en_viaje: mod6, nope. moreover, i think if they had an uzi they'd hock it and buy a helmet
mp_en_viaje: o btw, recently they passed a law here (like, last fri) that it is no longer permissible for males over 14 to ride bitch
mp_en_viaje: they needed a law to tell them this!
mp_en_viaje: and the fucking bikers protested it!
mod6: dafaq.
asciilifeform recalls for some reason the schmeisser and stahlhelm in buenos aires junkshop
mp_en_viaje: i have nfi.
asciilifeform: what means 'ride bitch' ? sidecar ?
mod6: no, on the back
asciilifeform: aaa
mod6: like if i was riding, and told you to put your arms around me.
mod6: nothing looks funnier than two dudes on a bike, dick to ass.
asciilifeform: lol!
mp_en_viaje: you know ?
mp_en_viaje: dudes locked up the hotel, too. probably because "dangerous", cuz that's gonna deter flamin' bike ridin' bitches shooting uzis : mariott's fucken glass doors. hurr.
mp_en_viaje: but, get this -- these idiots DID make the elevator not work if you don't have your magical key card, so i had to comandeer a maid to get me to my floor. cuz that's fuckinguseful, needing your key for the elevator
mp_en_viaje: HOWEVER they didn't have the fucking sense to make my key open the main gate. fucking banks can figure out this much for atm, but not these dorks. so i gotta wait there for a guard to show up and unlock it and wish me welcome, after the outside guard asks me n times what my room number is.
mp_en_viaje: cuz that's how you fucking welcome guests proper five star like, by having them wait for your dumbass minimum wagers to open their door.
asciilifeform: oh hey was it the randomly and spontaneously self-demagnetizing magickey, like in ro hotels ?
mp_en_viaje: no i think these are chipped
asciilifeform: hightech.
mp_en_viaje: meaning they can be range extended and all the res tof the crapola
mp_en_viaje: hightech in the sense of nightlife.
asciilifeform: i have a handy little faraday sack for these
asciilifeform: worx, tested. cost a buck.
mp_en_viaje: who the fuck locks hotels anyway. AT ELEVEN. "we like to pretend world only exists while sun is up. at sunset great dragon swallows everything"
mp_en_viaje: the cause of all the world's problems is strictly average intelligence dorks going about things "as per their best guess".
mp_en_viaje: anyway, statistics : this month 149 people died violently. 9 on january 1st, over drunken arguments with family. 9 because https://thecitypaperbogota.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/bridge2.jpg on jan 15th. and so fucking following.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> he may be right, but it was not that in argentina, those fuckfaces have 0 capital. << And this is why they waited until Brasilero vacation season ended to take their vacations.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> if you but always look at people looking at your eyes, seems improbable anyone's ever pickpocketing you. << Aha. Scares theives and identifies potentially interesting chicas!
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> the 90s were a lot better for partying, i'll tell you that. it's not clear to me that out of the entire world as it stands you can produce enough night life for a middling 90s town. << I believe. During the night walks there will be a lot of empty street and 1 bar where apparently the party is at, most locals crowded outside asking each other who has the weed hookup while the girlies grind in crowded basement dance trap.
BingoBoingo: I suppose after the plugging in and the monthly statementing that I should write a tourism guide to Montevideo for alf et al
ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility"
BingoBoingo: But they still have their PARKOUR!
ave1: re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778269, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778038 ie. mp-wp & comments on nfs (php 5.6)☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-30 23:12 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778033 << it has a tags allowed for comment. if you put b user can bold, if not no. you may not have a on the list.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 17:14 asciilifeform: ty ave1 , i'd definitely like to read the answer
ave1: you'll need to update the suffix for the form names in comments.php (in the theme)
ave1: suffix wrong <-> no user name, no email etc
ave1: and the tag filtering is two-leveled, one in the wp-comments-post.php
ave1: which worked
ave1: but another in wp-includes/kses.php
ave1: which did not work
ave1: look for the function definition of wp_kses_split
ave1: the anonymous function($match)
ave1: needs to be function($match) use($allowed_html, $allowed_protocols)
ave1: or else allowed_html will be null and all tags are filtered away
ave1: so, no setting, but a old wordpress / new php problem
ave1: an*
mp_en_viaje: in other "thanks goodness computer means programmable machine", i have here this hp elitebook. it has the backlight permanently welded to "retina cancer". the "function" key bs works for everything else EXCEPT setting the brightness, fn-f9 does 0.
mp_en_viaje: xgamma does nothing. /sys/class/backlight doesn't exist. ye olde grub trick (GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_backlight=vendor") does nothing.
mp_en_viaje: dmesg has some acpi entries, BUT NO VIDEO ANYTHING. fucking lspic has nothing related to vga!!! at.all.
mp_en_viaje: i am using a screen called "default" that manifestly does not exist in any way except to fucking burn my eyes off.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: afaik last portabox where errythingworx is ye olde x60
mp_en_viaje: what can i tell you, it passed the mechanical test
mp_en_viaje: (very nice chassis actually(
ave1: would this work?: xrandr --output DP2 --gamma 0.5:0.5:0.5
asciilifeform: ( i posted even a patched, with own hand , bios for it, iirc phf uses ; and a kernel conf )
mp_en_viaje: ave1, --current says the screen's name is "default"
mp_en_viaje: yields "xrandr: Gamma size is 0"
mp_en_viaje: which makes sense, seeing how there's a bevy of bs in find /sys/ -type f -iname '*brightness*' all of which permantly welded to either 0 or 255
ave1: hmm
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in some shittops, it was possible to adjust brightness ~during boot init~ with the fkeys
asciilifeform: try it
mp_en_viaje: worth a shot but i don't feel like rebooting my windows terminal yet again
asciilifeform: then only cure is sunglasses, lol
mp_en_viaje: (resetting the kbd driver to ps/2 also works on some magically, tried that, but this piece of shit worst bios you've ever seen HAS a useless point and click interface but no setting of kbd driver)
mp_en_viaje: i think it literally may be the worst bios interface i have ever seen. ever. including 1990s almost-compatible days.
asciilifeform: hp, recall, had a clitler, whole product line went to shit irrecoverably
mp_en_viaje: C9K94UC#ABA (hp eliteboook 8470p) for the precision minded. i wouldn't recommend buying it, even though the chassis may seem fine.
asciilifeform: seems to be mentioned in re 'video.use_native_backlight=1' kernel knob
asciilifeform: might be also worth a shot
mp_en_viaje: i'd have to recompile ?
asciilifeform: nah, boot knob
asciilifeform: in place of the 'vendor' thing
asciilifeform: supposedly worx on the ones with intel vga
mp_en_viaje: a grub ? well iguess lessee.
mp_en_viaje: bbs
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, that did nothing ; however the "fn f9 will work during boot only" part is correct -- they do.
mp_en_viaje: i would say this is a glorious example of idiocy, imagine, the thing ~would work~ if just left the fuck alone. but smething in boot process fucks up my keys.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778722 << eh, major international my foot. city run by africans is run by africans is the whole story.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 13:06 ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility"
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, the problem is that there is not that bar here.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: brightness knob on post-2007ish lappy is not properly hardwaristic, demands os support, and only happens to work during boot because still in realmode, and biosism works
mp_en_viaje: wait, is the "protected" mode how you do the useful things such as you know, rowhammer et all ?
mp_en_viaje: give me back my fuckingreal mode dos.
asciilifeform: ^^
mp_en_viaje: i do not want this laptop to even fucking have protected mode. protect what from what ? noty, 32bit realmode for the win.
mp_en_viaje: who even signed off on the "we will cease maintaining realmode" doctor's note ?
asciilifeform: uh realmode is the classical 16bit segmented one
mp_en_viaje: has no intrinsic reason to be 16 bit.
mp_en_viaje: make a 32 bit one.
asciilifeform: cuz intel dropped as a child in 1978
asciilifeform: you can do similar item in amd64 mode tho, 64bits but you map it all to contiguous addr space, like terry davis did.
asciilifeform: ( you do it once and then forget about the page table )
mp_en_viaje: how about never mind about that and just do a 32bit realmode version, at the hardware level.
asciilifeform: the terminology is specific to intel crapola
asciilifeform: it has no meaning outside of it
mp_en_viaje: yes i know, but what'd you have me call the refusal of post 1989 "progress" ?
asciilifeform: gotta be moar specific
asciilifeform: which item to throw out. i'ma guess whole mpu.
mp_en_viaje: ok. you know how computers worked back in the 80s and then some pre-unicode fuckfaces came up with "protected" mode, which was "better" and "upgrade" ?
asciilifeform: orig item had 0 to do with seekoority, but rather with preventing 1 buggy proggy from taking down whole box
asciilifeform: ( in re 'memory protection' )
mp_en_viaje: oh these are distinct ?
mp_en_viaje: spare me.
mp_en_viaje: i do not want ANYTHING down the protected mode tree. i want the real mode tree continued. update it for wider busses.
mp_en_viaje: that's it.
mp_en_viaje: i don't want the fucking bs of hey mp we notice your brightness keys do not work would you like to restart the program.
asciilifeform: oh those still won't work, in shitware bios
mp_en_viaje: "Due to the enhancements added by protected mode, it has become widely adopted and has become the foundation for all subsequent enhancements to the x86 architecture" << FUCKING BULLSHIT.
mp_en_viaje: see ? the original pantsuitism in computers started cca 1985 or so. when they killed the main branch, in order to pretend that the pantsuit branch "has all the features"
asciilifeform: y'know , bios dun have to be written by tards
mp_en_viaje: all the USEFUL features could have existed in real mode branch with a minimum of effort. but they CHOSE to not do this.
mp_en_viaje: so no, protected mode hasn;'t become because it offered. the pantsuit decided it must be, and therefore prevented the non-mongoloid child from offering.
mp_en_viaje: and you know, actual men tried to resist this idiocy. all through the 286 era ~nobody used unicodemode bs.
asciilifeform: there isn't , on x86olade, a 'longer than 16b regs, no segmentation, but no mpu and bios calls work' mode.
mp_en_viaje: then finally folded cca 85-86
asciilifeform: for one thing, bios crapola typically written in classical 16b real.
mp_en_viaje: there's absolutely no cause oher than historical accident that real ended at 16 bits.
mp_en_viaje: it could just as well be 64 bit .
asciilifeform: it's a 'grandmother with balls', could have sane cpu defined in 100pgs of a4, with no 'modes' at all, and no segments, and no idiocy, if intel had not succeeded in killing dec alpha, say
asciilifeform: intel arch was a trisomy from day1
asciilifeform: and not fixable.
mp_en_viaje: fucking annoying.
asciilifeform: intel was the king of retardation even in the 16b era. e.g. 68k was sane
asciilifeform: no segments, and easily logically 'widened' if anyone had bothered.
mp_en_viaje: this whole "o no mp, but the karnel must have a special place i ncpu" bs. IF IT DOES BAKE IT.
mp_en_viaje: "levels" of software, hear me wail.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has a whole www about this, lol
mp_en_viaje: "but mp, our users need to run random code they have no idea about all the time" "no they don't"
mp_en_viaje: "and besides, correct programs can't even be written" "so then why should they be priviledged ?" "no, see, kernel can be correct because fly eyes fly like fruit."
asciilifeform: dunforget 'oh but it improves allthetime!' lul
mp_en_viaje: fucking disgraceful.
mp_en_viaje: and at every single fucking twist and turn, too. instead of limiting "firmware" to data, to be executed by bios or gtfo, instead let's "virtual machines" and acpi.
mp_en_viaje: why the everloving fuck would i imagine the solution is for the kernel to choose from a list maintained by the fucking power button
mp_en_viaje: going exactly the wrong way, its like sweeping from the road into the house.
asciilifeform: whole arch was retarded, and born damaged, just about errything you see on top of it, is the top of a series of forced mistakes.
asciilifeform: crapola all the way down.
mp_en_viaje: what's so forced about "no, you can't run code. if you want your hardware object '''configured''' or w/e the fuck, here's the bios api, pass data into it. if you can't, fix your printer"
asciilifeform: the 'fancy' firmware, for instance, that 'does things'. entirely the opposite of the 1980s 'init the iron and get the FUCK out of the way' practice.
asciilifeform: !#s acpi
a111: 26 results for "acpi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=acpi
mp_en_viaje: doh.
asciilifeform: ^ know why acpi ? so that chip vendors can keep moarshit under nda etc.
mp_en_viaje: and acpi is strictly "make sure nobody can EVER init the iron and get lost EVER, even if they try to"
asciilifeform: aaha.
asciilifeform: and of course 'standardized' by microshit.
asciilifeform: whole arch as it exists today -- is a microshit production.
mp_en_viaje: ie, "bad behaviour made mandatory" http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-109.0-109.416
asciilifeform: exactly so.
mp_en_viaje: "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business." << j. a. donald
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, iirc toshiba also participated.
asciilifeform: buncha bootlicks, participated.
asciilifeform: ( pretty much errybody who was in the pc iron business , and wanted to stay in it )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778736 << o wow.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 13:51 ave1: or else allowed_html will be null and all tags are filtered away
asciilifeform: selected gems : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-22#764319 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-26#1145947 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1374233 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560926 .☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-07-22 20:06 Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-26 23:42 mats: fun fact: there is a particular ACPI table in that you can put anywhere in a low range of memory during boot, and Windows will take the payload data, drop it as an EXE, and run it as SYSTEM.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-17 06:23 phf: but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions."
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 19:14 asciilifeform: e.g., i still have not forgiven, and do not intend to forgive, the acpi 'soft' power supply switch.
mp_en_viaje: nice work findingthat ave1
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, tis a sad state of affairs. this item in my hands is, in a physical sense, quite fine. but then there's this intervening bullshit. literally like kid with autism/depression/anxiety/whatever the fuck. it would work fine if it just weren't born to ustards in ustardia.
mp_en_viaje: ave1, would you consider gutting that entire class as a patch ? i have nfi why a "kses" bs is even needed. seems a case of giraffe's jugular.
mp_en_viaje: instead config could populate allowed_html directly and be done with the pretense.
asciilifeform: re acpi as instrument of microshitization, observe how ( e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/574439 ) it is being put in arm boxes, where 0 intel legacycrapola, and spearheaded by... redhat ( the designated microshit for 'linux' )
asciilifeform: 'everything has already been decided in NDA-protected conference rooms' etc
asciilifeform: or, for instance, take the rathead-microshit Official answer to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631805 problem : 'device trees' ( https://lwn.net/Articles/560523 and elsewhere. ) essentially same thing as the traditional microshit 'control panel' , but... biosized☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 16:31 asciilifeform: the sad thing re the iron , is that 'determine if installed, and if so, where on the bus' is often 80% of the driver !
asciilifeform: and could even say 'if it worked, would be merely ugly' but of course just like other microshitisms it never fully works, and is eternal fountain of 'moar studies needed', 'buy the upgrade', 'your iron is obsolete' etc
asciilifeform: if any part of the edifice ever shows any symptom of fully working, they re-fuck it.
asciilifeform: ( granted , this has not happened in a while. the last major bout was perhaps the boot process itself, which was foolproof on classical pc arch up to late '90s, and then they 'had to' introduce acpiism, 'secure boot', abolition of the mbr, etc )
asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9929.64, vol: 19696.00023041 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10050.0, vol: 64826.00483041 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9900.0, vol: 12935.584376 | Volume-weighted last average: 10005.7659053
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778747 << bios patched, but i haven't tried kernel conf, i'm running freebsd on it.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 14:01 asciilifeform: ( i posted even a patched, with own hand , bios for it, iirc phf uses ; and a kernel conf )
asciilifeform: aa neato
phf: freebsd is hilariously nerfed. you can see the butcher cut the pantsuits leave right through the middle of everything
asciilifeform not much interested in post-clangization freebsd; and currently dun have the time, energy to archaeologically unearth a working-on-recent-iron vintage
asciilifeform: phf: did it ever get a working /dev/random back ?
asciilifeform: and out of curiosity, what else got butchered ?
phf: well, i like to take potshots at shitty systems as much as the next lord, but the publicized dev/random issue was there briefly and has officially been patched. i've not attempted to dive into dev/random though
asciilifeform: was more symptom than disease
phf: right
asciilifeform: but phf did mention 'butcher cut', i'm curious what the obvious wtfs were
phf: well, it's subtle things, here's an example. the kernel vty used to be syscons for years, replaced by "newcons", standard for a couple of releases now
phf: newcons is "unicode support" "double-width" "bigger font maps". guess what's not there? ~literally everything else that syscons~ supported
asciilifeform: ahahahahahaha
asciilifeform: lemme guess, is 'wayland' also on the conveyor.
phf: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Newcons
asciilifeform: and is there a systemd on freebsd yet
phf: "encodings other than ascii/utf-8" "no"
asciilifeform: lol not even vga term support anymoar
phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements.
asciilifeform: 'Pre-loading i915kms.ko/radeonkms.ko disables video output from the point of time these video drivers are attached until interrupt threads are enabled way later. This makes kernel panics during boot undebugable.' << ahahahahaha
phf: all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~
asciilifeform: can get back the old terms ? or not ?
phf: yeah, can get for now, but X doesn't magically start, so i need to figure out what's going on there. probably requires hand written xorg.conf
asciilifeform: i dun think i've ever sat on a working box with anything other than hand-sewn xorg.conf
phf: i don't really want to waste much time tweaking the confs, so most things don't really work for now. i have audio and wifi, but suspend dosn't work, nor does the nifty touch screen, etc.
asciilifeform: waitasec , touch screen ?
phf: err, wacom
asciilifeform: i had nfi there was a x60 with wacom
asciilifeform: x61 ( the kind i gave to g_l ) -- yes, had it
asciilifeform: but it also was entirely diff chipset, and wouldn't possibly eat my bios
asciilifeform: what box is this, exactly, phf ?
phf: x60, says so on the label
asciilifeform: but the screen folds back, and it has pen ?
phf: yes
asciilifeform: interesting.
doppler: there were tablet versions of both the x60 and x61
asciilifeform: hm, 'x60t' apparently.
asciilifeform had nfi.
doppler: that's the nickname, yeah
asciilifeform has the ordinary, 2-hinged x60.
phf: half the packaged in ports say that "there might be bugs since package is lacking maintainer", and we're talking shit like firefox, fvwm, etc.
phf: likewise a lot of them pull gcc for build, lots of complaints about "llvm broke N" when you search for anything
asciilifeform: sounds like sad ghost town
mod6: The Foundation has emplaced shinohai's seal for trb's 'genesis.vpatch' in the foundation repository @ http://thebitcoin.foundation. Thanks shinohai!
asciilifeform: oh hey mod6
shinohai: o7 mod6 ty
asciilifeform: phf: thus far sounds about as much fun as a winblowz vista box
mod6: yw shinohai
mod6: hai phf, asciilifeform
mod6: how goes?
asciilifeform: phf: err, strike that, suspend mode worked on vista!11
phf: eh, i haven't found anything that worked better or worse. everywhere i have to carve a haven, but put it on top of quicksand
asciilifeform: fwiw my gentoo recipe was written when i was preparing x60
asciilifeform: it runs ( the only www browsers are lynx and an elderly ff , however )
asciilifeform: but e.g. emacs, gnat, irc, etc run
phf: sure, but the amount of time you spent on gentoo recipe/kernel config, replicated on freebsd would possibly produce similar results. emacs, gnat, irc, etc runs.
asciilifeform: suspendmode worx
asciilifeform: xconfig took 5min
asciilifeform: mouse worx, audio even worx..
asciilifeform: the 1 item that left a bitter taste was the battery, they're dead after about 6mo from unpacking. but gentoo is not to blame for this
asciilifeform: ( and at this point i think i've tried every battery vendor known to make these )
asciilifeform: the box ate ssd without complaint, even.
asciilifeform: the 1 truly frustrating item is the lcd crystal, is atrocious 1990s-style tft. but what can be done.
phf: gentoo have left a bad taste in my mouth long time ago. i was running it for about a year since first release, and i was even really into python back then!
asciilifeform: i was able to , e.g., emerge emacs and not suddenly see dbus appear. there isn't much moar that i even want from gentoo/portage.
asciilifeform: ( notably this proved impossible , without complete manual control over ~everything~, under openbsd. as per old thread. )
asciilifeform: fwiw all of asciilifeform's current workhorse boxen are one or another variant of heavily-medicated gentoo, rather than anyffingelse
asciilifeform: it is still afaik the healthiest horse in the glue factory.
asciilifeform: even dulap-III, heavy opteron box sitting on my desk and awaiting shipment to BingoBoingoistan, is a gentoo box.
phf: yes, that would be the meaning of "all of"
asciilifeform: ( and took maybe a week to produce, starting from empty disks )
mp_en_viaje: motherfucker
mp_en_viaje: i fucking hate this town
mp_en_viaje: utter fucking shithole omfg
asciilifeform: lemme guess, finally met motorcyclists, and their uzis were plastic toys ?
mod6: :D
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778884 << because the people doing it prolly puked and left.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 16:49 phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, 100% all the inept argentinian idiocies. "oh, you can't have that item from menu, it's not its hours yet" "bitch, say what ?" "we only sell things when WE feel like selling them, fu. welcome to bogota"
mp_en_viaje: 100% serviceless economy, consisting of a bunch of dorks trying to look like the pictures in the decade old magazines from europe they got.
asciilifeform: 'ooh you thought this was a restaurant, not a sov factory cafeteria? funny'
mp_en_viaje: argentina does old italian mags and these idiots old spanish mags, but that's all the difference,
mp_en_viaje: they're not DOING anything ; just trying to LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, with a minimum of expenditure.
mp_en_viaje: "got waffle and crepes joint ? " o ya, just like in madrid!" "but is it not open before noon ?" "of course not! just like in..." "...retardistan ? who the fuck eats crepes at any other time!"
asciilifeform: hey, capitalism!11, 'if you can convince eaters to eat sawdust, you MUST', etc
mp_en_viaje: eat my foot. an hour going about in the cab is $5
mp_en_viaje: but n ocab with ac. in fact, no cab with passenger armrest. buncha entry level hyyndai hatchbacks
mp_en_viaje: anyways
asciilifeform: why wouldja want to sit in a cab for hour?! to go to brazil??
asciilifeform: incidentally in what country are there cabs with back seat passenger arm rest ?
asciilifeform: ( limos, possibly ? but cabs?! )
mp_en_viaje: everywhere else wtf.
mp_en_viaje: i didn;t even know they still made cars without, why the everloving would you
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, bogota is like, larger than delaware, you understand.
asciilifeform: or hm didja mean the thing attached to the inside of door
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, ~same as nyc
mp_en_viaje: yes i meant.
asciilifeform: aa.
asciilifeform: dunno that i've ever even been in a car without those, then
mp_en_viaje: so you don't sit there like miss xue yue in the chicken coop.
asciilifeform: what was that
mp_en_viaje: you know, sometimes they take the milkmaid for a ride in the back of the little milk truck on three wheeks
mp_en_viaje: wheels*
mp_en_viaje: anyway, it's actually 2x ny area.
mp_en_viaje: 1600 sqkm or some shit.
trinque: a lot of them have the middle one too, folds out of back seat
mp_en_viaje: right.
asciilifeform: incidentally is this one of those classical turdworld paradises with donkeys in the streets, cabs made from old nazi motorcycle, etc ?
asciilifeform: or only proper autos
mp_en_viaje: nope. 100% imports. let me reiterate : they do not DO anything.
mp_en_viaje: anything at all.
mp_en_viaje: all day long 100% all effort spent trying to ~look a certain way~.
asciilifeform: loox like another chinese victory then. like buenosaires.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno what the chinese are to blame for.
asciilifeform: same thing as the enablers of BingoBoingo's 'fupas'
mp_en_viaje: this is the result of decolonialization. left cape town in the hands of subhuman locals, no more water
mp_en_viaje: left bogota in hands of inferior native stock, it shows.
asciilifeform: did the thing ever have a civilized colonial past ? or was always shithole ?
mp_en_viaje: "forced mistake, mp, spanish women starting spawning betwetters named arthur blair, wha tcan you do" "mmkay"
mp_en_viaje: had great past. was as cool as cuba.
asciilifeform had nfi
mp_en_viaje: yup.
asciilifeform: sorta why i wonder re places like astana. where colonial past is not so long gone, corpse still warm
mp_en_viaje: if they're not being actively oppressed, and i mean with pillories and whole village rapes, the temperature of the corpse dun matter.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778886 << this sounds so exactly in uniform...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 16:51 phf: all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~
phf: https://pineapplefund.org/ << "The organization was started in December by an anonymous donor who goes by the nickname Pine and claims to be among the 250 largest holders of Bitcoin in the world. The fund aims to give away $86 million worth of Bitcoin, and has already given $20 million worth of the currency to 13 organizations, including...
asciilifeform: lol waterfall dun even bother with seekricy anymoar
asciilifeform: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html << aaaaand openbsd ~immediately~ listed 'pineapple fund'. and guess who not listed at all, to this day.
phf: terrorists?
asciilifeform: aaha.
trinque: "because once you have enough money, money doesn't matter"
trinque: the final stage of all human development is saintly socialism, srsly
phf: well, it's 2017 equivalent of "buying pizza"
asciilifeform: industrial-grade waterfall and usg catemite meritwash in 1 package, who could want moar.
asciilifeform: *catamite
asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9954.42, vol: 14739.97500003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10039.0, vol: 48526.51074645 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9929.0, vol: 10312.36985 | Volume-weighted last average: 10006.6392389
mod6: !~tslnb
jhvh1: mod6: Error: "tslnb" is not a valid command.
mod6: !~tslb
jhvh1: mod6: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 3 seconds
trinque got a txn out last night with 0.00038 fee
trinque: seems apparent that had the block size thing gone the other way, there'd be dead mining operations all around
mod6: perhaps, ya.
mod6: my node has been caught up for >24 hours.
mod6: loooking good
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778994 << hey, at least we know how we're standing.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 19:58 asciilifeform: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html << aaaaand openbsd ~immediately~ listed 'pineapple fund'. and guess who not listed at all, to this day.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1779009 <<< and guess what "srs business" with "expertise" and whatnot forgot to send kakobrekla and the rest to thank me for saving their dumbass despite themselves.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 20:12 trinque: seems apparent that had the block size thing gone the other way, there'd be dead mining operations all around
mp_en_viaje: and so following.
trinque: the ass-kissing line would be too long by now; ain't nobody got time for that
mp_en_viaje: the problem with imbeciles is exactly the problem of bogota, buenos aires, whatever : they don't actually want to do any specific thing. they just want to look a certain way.
mp_en_viaje: so all these discussions of causes and how things work and etc, it's so much mathwank. bimbo got her antenna tuned to different gucciquencies.
mp_en_viaje: which are like frequencies except better, because frequencies priviledge the speed of light rather than other speeds much more important to us. like the speed of gucci.
asciilifeform: imho there is elementarily not enuff bleeding happening.
mp_en_viaje: i am satisfied that we're not discussing intellects capable of realising when they're being bled.
asciilifeform: all kindsa nonsense that oughta have been painfully lethal -- still unpunished.
mp_en_viaje: but anyway, bbl.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-20#1348086 << see also.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-12-20 00:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348050 << you know what's great? rat poison STILL WORKS even if you don't explain to the rats exactly ~how~ !
asciilifeform also bbl, teatime.
asciilifeform: in other lamers, https://archive.is/g7CB5 >> 'Lenovo Fingerprint Manager Pro, which is typically installed on ThinkPad, ThinkCentre, and ThinkStation models...' has hardcoded pw. etc
mod6: lol
ben_vulpes: lol aw, wish i'd seen that
asciilifeform: bother_bvulpes (2df897f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #trilema << lolwat
ben_vulpes: link from the tranny pieces
asciilifeform: waiwat
asciilifeform: where was this
ben_vulpes: or hm i guess the nick i picked was bv_is_a_scammer
ben_vulpes: https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/#irc://irc.freenode.net/#trilema?&nick=bv_is_a_scammer
ben_vulpes: mysterious mysteries!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: still enjoying attention from your 'new friend' ?
ben_vulpes: not enjoying in the slightest no, thank you for asking
ben_vulpes: mildly amused, but that's about the extent of it.
ben_vulpes: aha but now with the further attempts to get into various fiatistan saas providers
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sounds like fodder for hilarious bl0gps0t neh
asciilifeform: write it ?
ben_vulpes: yeah maybe, but the lols are accruing so very slowly