tmsr - Log 2019-07-30

trinque: dorion: the selling point here is that the inputs and outputs are meat-operated.

trinque: meat is present, standby

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dorion: trinque thank you. I'd read it's meat operated, qr code over airgap iirc, but thought meat operation was only on outputs side.

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BingoBoingo: In local news, stress fractures https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Carolina-Cosse-pidio-calmarse-un-poco-y-dejar-de-hacer-politica-basada-en-focus-group--uc725571

ave1: mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925588, thx! fixed. I did not put in a double ) to close of that comment. I also fixed some grammatical errors (I forgot to wait half an hour an proof-read before posting) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 20:57 mp_en_viaje: ave1, you fucked up the footnote format. remember that a (( opens and a )) closes and there's no nesting. thus therefore you can never have (( inside a footnote, like you do in footnote 3

mp_en_viaje: in other sads, something called "Blackboard_Safeassign" has been apparently crawling trilema for a while. it turns out "SafeAssign is a tool used to prevent plagiarism and to create opportunities to help students identify how to properly attribute sources rather than paraphrase. SafeAssign is effective as both a deterrent and an educational tool." ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: woe upon kiddies turning in trilema pages as their homework!

mp_en_viaje: oh, and : "Website & Social Media Compliance, Monitoring and eDiscovery Solutions -- PageFreezer takes compliance and litigation off your plate by automatically archiving your websites, social media and enterprise collaboration in one easy cloud-based dashboard."

mp_en_viaje: this is not even a stupid idea, sell web aerchiving as a litigation adjuvant.

mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other empire lulz, reader points out trilema "disappeared" q4 2018. magic!

mp_en_viaje: i guess i can go hang out with maduro and that guy in syria nao, new mp "democratically elected" in washington

mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in rotaku antiqua, http://trilema.com/2011/uite-stam-si-noi-degeaba-pe-aici/ ; i probably should translate that piece.

mp_en_viaje: aaand... this elitebook has developped a new problem : if it gets overheated, the wifi drops. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: i thought for a day it's "bad internet", but no, everything else works, just this lappy drops. and... i put it in the fridge for 10 minutes, now "the internet" is fine again. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: who the fuck heard of this, ima have to fridge my laptop periodically.

feedbot: http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-function-null-step-3/ << ave1 -- Lisp, Function NULL, Step 3.

ave1: btw, I do like lisp and going through the spec.

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/fracture/ << Trilema -- Fracture

jurov: ave1 and anyone learning common lisp: I recommend CLTL2, it is more accessible to sequential reading and it's the same information as CLHS, it was made at the same time. ☟︎

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ave1: jurov: Thanks!, I'll try it, but are all these lisp (sbcl, ecl etc) version 2 or 1? ☟︎

ave1: I did read SICP, so I'm not unfamiliar with the basic concepts

ave1: Modern times; https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/the_end_of_an_era_1/

ave1: Personally, I wish it was possible to understand all the principles, but I guess its simply a reality that I must deal with. I guess, if you think about it, the path to further progression does not come from re-learning what has already been known a long time, but from using and building on that basis, applying principles in a working fashion, and achieving new things.

jurov: ave1: CLTL2 means "Common Lisp the Language, 2nd edition", it's not about Lisp-1 vs. Lisp-2 distinction.

jurov: sbcl, ecl, ccl are all Common Lisp (notice the big C) implementations

jurov: There is no common (with small c) lisp, but multiple dialects.

asciilifeform: jurov: i've actually written battlefield proggies in nuffin but the paper-standard cl. but admittedly this is rare.

jurov: asciilifeform: i'm just under impression ave1 is confusing common and Common

asciilifeform: hrm, prolly oughta disambiguate the sentence -- 'some proggies' 'in nuffin-but-the-paper-standard cl'

asciilifeform: jurov: what's 'common' here ?

asciilifeform: i only know one, i.e. ANSI INCITS 226-1994

asciilifeform: ave1: re sussman, see also

jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925635 << the root of misunderstanding. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 14:22 ave1: jurov: Thanks!, I'll try it, but are all these lisp (sbcl, ecl etc) version 2 or 1?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925626 << this is endemic. affects crapple boxen, and possibly all the recent (5y or so) chipsets ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 09:08 mp_en_viaje: aaand... this elitebook has developped a new problem : if it gets overheated, the wifi drops.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925619 << i've been seeing these for years nao. they're all contemptible scams, incidentally: profit model is that shit student ~pays~ to test for 'accidental' plagiarism , so that homework won't set off detector when his prof tests ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 07:54 mp_en_viaje: in other sads, something called "Blackboard_Safeassign" has been apparently crawling trilema for a while. it turns out "SafeAssign is a tool used to prevent plagiarism and to create opportunities to help students identify how to properly attribute sources rather than paraphrase. SafeAssign is effective as both a deterrent and an educational tool."

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925627 << watch out for condensate ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 09:09 mp_en_viaje: i thought for a day it's "bad internet", but no, everything else works, just this lappy drops. and... i put it in the fridge for 10 minutes, now "the internet" is fine again.

asciilifeform: ( the correct way to refrigerate devices is in sealed container w/ silica gel or at least dry rice ) ☟︎

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diana_coman imagines MP throwing lappy into the soup pot in the fridge ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925632 << defo get cltl2. trying to learn from the ansi doc will pop yer head. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 12:15 jurov: ave1 and anyone learning common lisp: I recommend CLTL2, it is more accessible to sequential reading and it's the same information as CLHS, it was made at the same time.

asciilifeform: ave1: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/ai-repository/ai/html/cltl/cltl2.html full text.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925656 << eh, it's so dusty it'll absorb all condensation :D ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 14:57 asciilifeform: ( the correct way to refrigerate devices is in sealed container w/ silica gel or at least dry rice )

asciilifeform: lol

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925659 << she knows me too well by now ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 14:58 diana_coman imagines MP throwing lappy into the soup pot in the fridge

asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathen pits. ( was, apparently, the source of the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925477 bandwidth sink. left'em a comment even. ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 14:03 asciilifeform: meanwhile 8+ y.o. asciilifeform piece still being commented..

mp_en_viaje: you know, at the rate imperial tards spawn, i expect we're just on the cusp of becoming "old man on the mountain" saint-hermits, revered antiqua etc.

asciilifeform: 'in april was the jackal born, in june the rain-fed rivers swelled; 'never in all my life,' said he, 'have i so great a flood beheld''

mp_en_viaje: you know ?

asciilifeform: not even jackal, these folx have life cycle approaching that of drosophila naodays

asciilifeform: 'His blog is now nothing but bloviating about bitcoin' << didjaknow !

asciilifeform loox re when ~did~ last write anyffin about bitcoin... apparently '14.

asciilifeform: possibly the source of confusion for the drosophila was the fact of ffa series being tagged, among other strings, 'bitcoin' , lol

mp_en_viaje: more likely a simple http://trilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/ failure ; they looked for "https everywhere" or "code of conduct" or whatever and didn't find it ; and reaching to label the situation somehiw ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: since "he's not fucked in the head like us lowly peons" isn't available to the peon psyche, "bloviating about bitcoin" will hafta do

asciilifeform: seems likely. difficult to picture 1 of these actually taking time to read the fucking link

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-schools-breeding-narcissism-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Schools Breeding Narcissism? Adnotated. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: your blog just fails to properly say apple could buy russia, or montjoie saint denis, or whatever "you're supposed to say".

asciilifeform: they do a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440#selection-127.2-257.37 and jz .Not_Found, eh.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925680 << oblig >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/breedingbolsheviks.jpg ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 16:03 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-schools-breeding-narcissism-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Schools Breeding Narcissism? Adnotated.

mp_en_viaje: keks

mp_en_viaje: in other news, kiev has excellent slut support stores, not merely good party scene support.

asciilifeform: what's in such a store ? those arse-installable fox tails ?

mp_en_viaje: got the sluts hats, masks, stockings, hanbot got GG bras -- which is the first time managed to find a fitting bra for her and so on

asciilifeform: aa

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the buttplugs are more sex shop fare in my classificatiion

asciilifeform: a, assumed that's what ~was~ 'slut support shop'

mp_en_viaje: noh, see, support ?

asciilifeform: and somehow i imagined (based on thin air) that silicoimplant comes with set of fitting covers

asciilifeform: y'know, like lappy used to

mp_en_viaje: but it goes... under the pectoral muscle

mp_en_viaje: then there's the tit fat, and then thetre's the skin. how could the implant come with a bra ?

asciilifeform: there was at one time a place that molded in-ear headphone to client's ear. assumed somehow that this exists for tits, and perhaps comes with the silicothing, lol

asciilifeform not up to date on subj

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in not-news, linux 3.16.70 src weighs... 625 MB .

asciilifeform: ( ~not~ including any particular gcc , or ~gcc's deps~, or 'binutils' req'd by the latter. just kernel. )

mp_en_viaje: why even.

mp_en_viaje: somehow THEY don't think THAT comes with a cover.

asciilifeform: still remains to be seen, what subset can be discarded w/out reading

asciilifeform: (i suspect -- at least 80%. but do not know for fact.)

asciilifeform: may even be that the only practical approach is to discard ~100%~... ( who can meaningfully read 125M of obfuscated-c liquishit ? )

asciilifeform: to port the kernel to 'M', asciilifeform ended up having to read pretty good chunk of the arch/mips subtree, and it was comparatively small -- still bucket of sweat.

asciilifeform: not, incidentally, meaningfully documented anywhere (tho no shortage of 'these here are docs, cuz we said!' crapola) -- tho i do not expect this surprises anyone.

mp_en_viaje: myeah

asciilifeform: the sheer magnitude of the bloat, is impressive even vs. microshit's (iirc 'win2k' kernel src weighed ~300M)

asciilifeform: for completeness : 'drivers' subtree weighed 323M ; 'arch' (machine-specifics) : 126M; leaving a 176M (quite evenly spread across remainder) .

asciilifeform: e.g. 29MB of simply include .h crapola .

asciilifeform: 28MB of soundcardism (why separate from 'drivers' ?? ask linus...) ; 26MB of ~unreadable 'docs' ; 6M of firmware 'blobs' (recall when linus said 'no blobs' ??)

mp_en_viaje: they gave up.

asciilifeform: 3M of build scriptolade alone

asciilifeform: 25M of nic driverade

asciilifeform: (again outside of 'drivers' for sumreason)

asciilifeform: and kernel per se (not incl. headers) : ~7.

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-who-are-academics-writing-for-for-whom-are-academics-writing-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Who Are Academics Writing For? (For Whom Are Academics Writing?) Adnotated.

asciilifeform: that kernels is an exact equiv. of http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-arent-two-antipsychotics-better-than-one-the-most-important-article-on-psychiatry-part-3-adnotated/#identifier_2_86297 . and prolly born via exactly analogous process.

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925677 << The part that amazes me is just how much the retards' handshaking appears unchanged. No strong indications this is distinctly 2019 derping rather than 2014 derping ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 16:02 mp_en_viaje: more likely a simple http://trilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/ failure ; they looked for "https everywhere" or "code of conduct" or whatever and didn't find it ; and reaching to label the situation somehiw

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why would change ? e.g. frog, croaks same today as 1e6y ago

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the cultural space the sounds of the croaks certainly changed. "Compassionate Immigration" to "No Borders" and "Gay Weddings are fine" to "Worship Trannies NOW"

mp_en_viaje: hm.

mp_en_viaje: maybe it's a matter of history, they have the handshakes sorted by year, and they decide who to feel superior to that way, "oh, bro, that tshirt is so 2015"

mp_en_viaje: whereas if there's nothing they recognize, panic.

asciilifeform: hm i distinctly remembered the 'tard handshake' being about the catv incident ! but apparently entirely diff piece

asciilifeform: found the item fwiw.

mp_en_viaje: not that different after all.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in tombs of other 'i will clean linux!' folx. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-05-21 09:12 gabriel_laddel: CL. Additionally, I want people who have no prior knowledge of computing to develop taste. Gedankenexperiment: spend 10k USD, purchase stock PCs, preload with something somewhat sane (Actually complete Masamune/bitcoin-assets distro) and distribute to a class of kids "learning to program". IMHO they'll play around with it, do their work and then p

BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local supply and demand https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Mas-de-800-inscritos-para-9-plazas-de-peon-en-obras-de-Ferrocarril-Central-uc725602

BingoBoingo: "Homero Delgado, jefe de la oficina del Ministerio de Trabajo en Durazno, explicó en declaraciones al noticiero Informe Nacional, emitido por Radio Uruguay, que el llamado está dirigido a personas que vivan en un radio de 100 km de la obra, pero eso no impidió que se inscribiera gente proveniente de lugares mucho más lejanos, como Cerro Largo o Soriano. Según informaron desde el Ministerio de Trabajo a Montevideo Portal, a la

BingoBoingo: s 11 de la mañana ya había 1043 inscriptos."

mp_en_viaje: do they get a sammich or what

BingoBoingo: I do believe the 9 lucky peons get sandwiches

mp_en_viaje: a well then

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/07/israelis-enthusiastically-burning-f-35s-stealth-window-with-strikes-now-in-iraq/ << Qntra -- Israelis Enth...ally Burning F-35's Stealth Window With Strikes, Now In Iraq

mp_en_viaje: i even forgot all that 2011 lulz

asciilifeform: via linked lulz, 'Haaretz.com is now inaccessible to visitors using ad blockers' << endemic nonsense, and only possible, afaik, on acct of 'ad blocker' writers taking payola from spammers

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I can't help by think of the USG/NATO/ETC F-35 dilemma as anything other than the ASIC era drama again

mp_en_viaje: pretty lulzy considering what the shit cost

BingoBoingo: Seriously, amplified by Irael's F-35 purchases being funded directly from their US payola.

BingoBoingo: And the F-35 hole is ~1/3rd of the USG's fall from "Could have bought Russia in 1991" to today

mp_en_viaje: just about huh

BingoBoingo: And everything that distinguishes it from cheaper alternatives is being spent 2017-[2019 or 2021] so Israel can stot by fucking up random warehouses outside of a ware