▁▁▁▁▁⏐︎▁ 4826
mircea_popescu: nah, just expensive.
asciilifeform: convenient, that there aint a solzhenitsin writing a 'gitmo archipelag'
mircea_popescu: who's left in the reich that can write ?
asciilifeform: not an alt-pantsuit alt-stockholm to give'im an obummernobel
asciilifeform: *nor
mircea_popescu: witness http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878186 ; morons can't even fucking COPY worth a shit anymore. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:35 asciilifeform: lol terrifyingly rotten ocr
mircea_popescu: worse performance than 1018.
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, happy birthday!
asciilifeform: ty mod6
mod6: hanbot: glad to hear you're on the mend.
mod6: just stopped by for some salutations.
mod6 bbl, meat
lobbes: salutations mod6 (and belated happy bday asciilifeform / happy recovery hanbot)
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878321 << ftr this was indeed an adacore gnat >=2017 (see thread), though I'm not sure about the libc. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 20:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878058 << what i thought also.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878323 << y'know, the thread link was in the line you quoted :D. but anyways, here's the top of that thread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850999 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 20:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878081 << which new voice model is this then ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 19:38 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh i was thinking of revising the voice model altogether, in favour of a voice-or-kick model.
lobbes: unrelatedly mircea_popescu do you care if spyked's rss bot takes over in #eulora? lobbesbot's RSS-tron has always been buggy and is 100% heathen atm. Imo makes sense to just transition to spyked if he is okay with it
phf: asciilifeform: happy birthday!
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 9 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 day, 9 hours, and 1 minute ago: <asciilifeform> loox like dks is selling another! 'ivory' on lulzbay >> https://archive.is/Bkm8E
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 8 hours and 40 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense
phf: jeez
asciilifeform: ty , phf , lobbes , et al
phf: also i'm alive and on the other end, will soon return to regular scheduled programming
asciilifeform: congrats phf
asciilifeform: moscow flat ?
phf: signing the lease today
asciilifeform: a++
asciilifeform envious
phf: it's all about that escape velocity
phf: re ivory i think we had a thread about macivory being much easier to reverse, since it's all isolated, but you will still have to spend time (re?)learning the gnarly details of apple bus, and whatever adhoc protocol is used to communicate with host. going by an xl might not be a worse option
asciilifeform: phf: funnily enuff, i did the gnarl of the bus already, during (aborted) proj for dks where he asked 'make me a replacement crapple mem expander board for nubus'
phf: aaah
asciilifeform: back in '10
phf: that explains why he remembers you by name
asciilifeform: he did?!
asciilifeform: lemme guess, 'that d00d who was gonna make mem board but returned nil' ? lol
asciilifeform: tho i suppose could also be cuz asciilifeform successfully persuaded the salt mine he toiled in at the time, to buy alpha+genera, paying dks's rent for month or 2
phf: it's more of a mental rolodex of 5 guys who are not in their 70s who are or were actively working with anything at all symbolics. he also knows the ones in their 70s, but those, except for reiner joswig, rarely come up, since they are, at this point, the kind of people who boot their symbolics, if they still have one, once in 5 years to remember the glory days
asciilifeform: i have vaguely positive memory of the fella, minus the part where he answr'd 100% of asciilifeform's attempts to buy sumthing moar than iron, in same way as mcdonalds clerk might react to attempt to buy the mcdonalds
asciilifeform: chances are, i was Doing It Wrong, but still dun have a concrete idea of exactly how.
asciilifeform: 'you can get all the sandwich you brought the green for, but 0 recipe'
asciilifeform: it was like trying to buy cocacola recipe from coke vending machine.
asciilifeform: ( but i'll stop with the analogy before i ruin errybody's appetite )
phf: heh, i like that last analogy
asciilifeform: ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863774 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 01:04 asciilifeform: amberglint: when i went to his house 10y ago, offered to him to make fpga-ized 'ivory' , 'pro bono', if he'd only cough up with what. answr was approx 'can't , unless my master permits, and he wouldn't'
asciilifeform: phf: re adhoc protocol, it's laid out pretty well, surprisingly, in genera/distribution/sys/embedding/macivory/interface-support ( on the magic iso )
asciilifeform: how to reset board, throw in boot rom ( it dun have own rom ) , start/stop cpu , peek/poke, etc
phf: asciilifeform: ah ty, i was mostly making a "bright side" argument, since we do have an xl1201
asciilifeform: pretty sure there's custom bolix ic other than ivory in xl
asciilifeform: which multiplies the cost of the effort to the point of utter riotousness
asciilifeform: ( and even if not, coupla dozen times moar GALs and misc. period exotica )
phf: re dks and fpga, i'm also not sure that he has enough data, or if he even knows if he has enough, or if the "master" in question has enough. i'm starting to suspect that the reason nothing's moving forward is because it's an intellectual bezel, a cat that's alive only until observed
asciilifeform: ( whereas i'm pretty sure that i have datashit for erry single item on ivory3 board other than the cpu itself )
phf: i regret not buying a macivory at discount when i had a chance, it also would've been easy to take to russia with me
asciilifeform: they're 'portable', yes, in the sense that there's no particular need to transport the crapple 'quadra', can always get from junkyard on-site
asciilifeform: phf: did you actually pack that xl ?! thing weighs, what, 50kg?
phf: nah, left it at the office. at least there's enough wiring in place to do remote x11 (though i haven't tried yet, have people in place to flip switches, but not necessarily to reseat the boards)
phf: i was thinking though of moving it out of the ridiculous steel enclosure, that might make it a touch more transportable
asciilifeform: i like how they used to make workstation case from 5mm steel
asciilifeform: always looked for , but never found, pc chassis like that.
asciilifeform: 'if piano falls, yer $100k box has a chance', i suppose the thinking went
mircea_popescu: lobbes ah damn, yeah, right you are.
asciilifeform: phf: at the risk of repeating , i dun really buy the 'they lost errything' hypothesis. e.g. as late as '98, the docs req'd to bake the alpha-based emulator, evidently existed
asciilifeform: ~somebody~ is sitting on it.
mircea_popescu: lobbes i see no problem whatsoever with rssbot taking over eulora. ☟︎
phf: asciilifeform: a lot of things happened since 98 though, that predates a couple of particularly gnaly fire sales. also alpha based emulation is "easy" to do from first principles for an experienced symbolics professional, you need an instruction list, some understanding of the architecture and a the sources for the os.
phf: you have hobbyists building emulators with much less to go by
asciilifeform: phf: the 'understanding of the arch' is the sticking point
asciilifeform: it's documented (aside from the gibblets seen in the logs) exactly nowhere.
phf: right, which is where somebody like kalman come in
phf: the hypothesis though is not "they lost everything", it's rather that they all have a handful of what they were told were gold chests by people who can actually recognize gold. when poking at contents stuff seems vaguely gold like, so they hold to it hoping to cash it in, never really "having time" to go to an appraiser. ☟︎
phf: it's possible that one of those boxes actually have gold in it, but the handful that i opened had _mostly_ garbage
asciilifeform: i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873092 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 22:50 asciilifeform: there's also the 'is it really ~the~ tapes' aspect. as in the old thing with the gold bars that nobody wants to drill for tungsten. consider for instance how nikola tesla was able to live in the waldorf for years, with the loan collateral being a trunk containing 'great invention of much dangerous power'. when died, turned out to contain a whetstone bridge.
phf: i concede that there might be a faint within a faint, but i can't Munchhausen my way out of that one: i kind of have to assume that my perception of reality somewhat corresponds to reality, rather than a bunch of people playing elaborate games with me
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878425 << tbh i find this rather persuasive. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 02:24 phf: the hypothesis though is not "they lost everything", it's rather that they all have a handful of what they were told were gold chests by people who can actually recognize gold. when poking at contents stuff seems vaguely gold like, so they hold to it hoping to cash it in, never really "having time" to go to an appraiser.
mircea_popescu: it's also precisely how tech gets lost.
asciilifeform: phf, mircea_popescu : whether orig src/ns masks/etc lost or not, i dun expect ever to ~see~'em. hence 'reverse with available iron' being the only approach that has chance of working.
mircea_popescu: scholar-pre-gap : "so what if rat ate cable, trivial to replace" ; custodian : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710182 ; scholar-post-gap : "holy shit wtf!!" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: now this man... he had a set of 9V lightbulbs. and so as any good respectable citizen i sat down with the dead man's dragon pile, to TEST everythiung I got. yes ?
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. will go for ride, bbl.
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu revving up zundapp with mg sidecar
asciilifeform: i suspect that cr is a++ zundapp country
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/YgtWB << subj, in its natural state ☟︎
asciilifeform also bbl.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878419 << roger that. spyked: if you're cool with taking over #eulora rss let me know and we can work out a transition ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 02:16 mircea_popescu: lobbes i see no problem whatsoever with rssbot taking over eulora.
mircea_popescu: nah. they don't even really have vespas here. just shitty toyotas
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: data entry of btc transactions and usd transactions is complete; data entry for prepaid customers and monthly paying customers is quite nearly so. BingoBoingo: please dig through notes and break customer nrCgvFMWCqpO's october payment into one for the rockchip and another for the shell. since they have different time horizons, they need separate subscriptions. asciilifeform: next thing i do is
ben_vulpes: write the calculator of change in customer equity account for a given month (which is the biggest manual backbreaker); after that i will do depreciation on the tangibles by hand, update assets and liabilities tables.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: logs suggest we have 2 outstanding wires; i don't suppose either have cleared yet, have they?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: please also stand up a postgres somewhere convenient for me to import and continue to work on this spreadsheet; this is ready for you to do your own data entry on fiat/btc incoming/outgoing
ben_vulpes: ah no, i missed log lines. both cleared?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878282 << still quite a bit of value in sqlthings in managing fungible programmers. in the same way that common lisp fails at making cogs, mmmapped custom $whatever can be marvelously conservative of time and space, fit entirely in head, and also be anti-cog. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 16:54 asciilifeform: in almost all extant proggies, 'db' and 'filesystem' are ~both~ 'tv rafts' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864 )
ben_vulpes: that postgres can build an index concurrently under load was pretty valuable just today, and nobody over here had to write it. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: break customer nrCgvFMWCqpO's october payment << this is so cool.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he said yest they cleared, to save you the work : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878002 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 17:21 BingoBoingo: And the datacenter just sent the statement of account showing receipt of the wires
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878451 << mysql also does this, and i recall the history too (anyone remember digg being out for a coupla days because morons hit the max count of db entries, re-defined table to use larger ints, and had to ~rebuild the index offline~ for 30+ hours ?) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 06:36 ben_vulpes: that postgres can build an index concurrently under load was pretty valuable just today, and nobody over here had to write it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878449 << wouldntcha rather use mechanical compilers than meat , if you could ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 06:32 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878282 << still quite a bit of value in sqlthings in managing fungible programmers. in the same way that common lisp fails at making cogs, mmmapped custom $whatever can be marvelously conservative of time and space, fit entirely in head, and also be anti-cog.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878451 << this is elementarily troo of all soft, neh -- 'today i booted a dos box and i didn't have to write dos!' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 06:36 ben_vulpes: that postgres can build an index concurrently under load was pretty valuable just today, and nobody over here had to write it.
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: no, it's not. "today i tried to boot my bolix, had to re-write apple bus"
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: yes ? well ?
asciilifeform: i suppose this is after rats eat the last crapple 'quadra'
asciilifeform recalls a d00d who made a meagre living reading old pdp tapes for usg.nasa
mircea_popescu: so in short, it's a property of good soft. like dos. it is eminently not a property of software in generas, witness http://trilema.com/2017/what-are-you-being-distracted-from/#selection-113.0-143.44
mircea_popescu: in general* not in generas lol.
asciilifeform: in other noose, usg proclaims 'national day of mourning' for dead bush I
mircea_popescu: what, they like him now ?
asciilifeform: nfi
asciilifeform: there's prolly ~some~ awareness that d00d presided over the last days of 'vhs usa'
asciilifeform: upstack: 'software stays wrote once written' was pretty much universal before web crapola. (e.g. nintendo games from 1980s, still run today same as when published)
mircea_popescu: aha.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878457 << i would dearly love a compiler i could tell "please figure out how we X and write a one-pager for review", but this stinks of sv aiwilldoeverythingism ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 13:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878449 << wouldntcha rather use mechanical compilers than meat , if you could ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the solution to that doesn't look like 'robot who writes and explains X'. it looks like 'x, what x, we don't need any such x'
asciilifeform: !#s best machine no machine
a111: 12 results for "best machine no machine", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=best%20machine%20no%20machine
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I'll get to reading docs and pick a place to stand it up
ben_vulpes: and yet steam engine needs a governor asciilifeform; factories gotta crank, ben_vulpeses gotta shepherd cows through funnels.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: observe , factories cranked 9000x moar back when automation was a set of relays in ladderlogic.
asciilifeform: ( relays, behold, can rust contacts, but neither envirusate nor crash randomly )
asciilifeform: and dun need 'updates'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not saying that i *like* this world, but that i'm going to eke fortune i can with the tools and men at hand.
asciilifeform: the particulars of ben_vulpes's dairy farm are between him and odin, 'whose cow might moo but mine oughta hush', asciilifeform worx on winblowz antiviri in saeculum...
mircea_popescu: it works as shockingly fine predictor. hospital that didn't work had emergency room vitals "something3000", evidently run on java. hospital that did work had same item philips, evidently built for moon missions.
mircea_popescu: it's remarkable that hundred bucks peripheral predicts hundred thousand mission.
asciilifeform: 'for the want of a nail'(tm)
mircea_popescu: rather, "the sort of brain that thinks this is acceptable, will think so many other idiocies acceptable, anything working out will be miracle rather than technology"
asciilifeform: ( https://rutube.ru/video/a479d9873302fe4d5caa1b8cc20a715a/ << oblig )
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: .008 for shared hosting (4 months) and 0.03419973 for the Rockchip (3 month), was done that way to synchronize their expirations for the end of January
asciilifeform likes marshak's translation 9000x better than the orig. 'Не было гвоздя -Подкова Пропала. / Не было подковы - Лошадь Захромала./ Лошадь захромала - Командир Убит./ Конница разбита -- Армия Бежит. / Враг вступает в город,/ Пленных не щадя, / Оттого, что в кузнице / Не было
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu do you know a ro version of this classic ?
ben_vulpes: i long ago gave up on the notion that i'd be working on anything approaching techne in american corpistan; but to wail about it instead of ekeing some amount of capital out seems fruitless. lessons of Mocky and phf instructive here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, romanians don't think like that.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: one's a four-month period and the other a three-, does the hosting subscription start a month before the rockchip?
mircea_popescu: very much anti-romanian.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nao i'm curious, how is this
asciilifeform: are they deeply 'gott mit uns' sorta fellas
mircea_popescu: romanian peasant proud continuator of rome, through the byzantium method. "we've been holding eyes closed to world for 2k years, because head does not follow reality, reality follows head!" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: they're even wearing the toga, today.
mircea_popescu: "it's not the church that has to follow the world ; it's the world that has to follow the church" catholic dictum. romanians don't need the dictum. they live it.
asciilifeform: sounds byzantine
mircea_popescu: it is earlier.
asciilifeform: yea but same psychosis
mircea_popescu: not any less stupid, mind. but earlier.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/romanul-si-comertul/#selection-99.0-103.1
asciilifeform: nuttery
mircea_popescu: so it is.
asciilifeform: behold, asciilifeform's riff in eng :
asciilifeform: 'just one nail was lacking -- / and warhorse came unshod / lamely did the stallion / into battle trod / dead fell the commander/ from his limping ride / routed was the cavalry / 'flee, retreat!' they cried / foe broke through the city gates, / hear the vanquisheds' wail -- / all because the smithy / was missing just one nail.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i didn't see toga in ro, but then again prolly didn't go to the right reservation.
asciilifeform: did see folx at the bazar in trad costume, but it was ~indistinguishable from trad ukr outfit
asciilifeform: 'вышиванка'
asciilifeform: lotsa old farts in trad ~sov~ costume tho ( wassat ? suit with jacket that was new when hruschev dethroned, oily and ragged )
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: yes
BingoBoingo: Shared is for October, November, December, January... RockChip for November, December, January
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: thanks
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/tumblr-announces-porn-ban-beginning-december-17th-tumblr-anti-porn-ai-already-running-wild/ << Qntra -- Tumblr Announces Porn Ban Beginning December 17th, Tumblr Anti-Porn AI Already Running Wild
trinque: what else was the thing for? ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: recall, thing was owned by zombie of yahoo, which in turn was rolled up into verizon, usg's undertaker co, same as bought aol
asciilifeform: and deeply -ev
asciilifeform: so being shot in the head. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( why not simply close the thing -- rather than imitating demise of digg, i do not know )
ben_vulpes: hallucinations of control over 'our kommyunity!'
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell ben_vulpes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o2j73/?raw=true << As requested
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ty BingoBoingo
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: Sent just now: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o2j73/?raw=true << As requested
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://costumepopulare.ro/
asciilifeform: aha! exactly this
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: feel free to fire questions and instructions.
BingoBoingo: In other news, how nice is it the USG shut itself down today for a celebration of the day I got on an airplane.
mircea_popescu: lels
asciilifeform: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bushushuru << see also
asciilifeform: ( + the oblig commemorative orlol, https://archive.is/Tg33l )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878522 << nfi, it's like reddit announcing pompous idiocy ban. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 17:42 trinque: what else was the thing for?
mircea_popescu: w/e, they got "bought" by "investors" who are gonna lose every penny anyway, "might as well promote pantsuit ideals while office rent lasts"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878525 << precisely, alf has it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-05 17:47 asciilifeform: so being shot in the head.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: already lost erry penny, iirc verizon even tried to sue and 'unbuy' when remnant of yahoo was found to be publicly pwned shortly pre-sale
asciilifeform: but nfi what happened to that
mircea_popescu: heh.\
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, kinda why they are corpse maggots, the "culture war" schmucktards : they ~only exist on corpses, the whole "code of conduct" / "trasnrights" / blabla is a necrosis epiphenomenon
asciilifeform: 'janitors of the forest'
mircea_popescu: the world has grown complex ; complex enough to support colonies of clostridium perfringens organizing parades to explain how "corpse is going fine / hemolysis normal in human bodies" etc.
mircea_popescu: "who can tell the difference" amirite, "a cell's a cell!"
asciilifeform: incidentally, tumblr -- at least , last i knew -- was famous among user base for a very... speshul style of db engineering, where 'let's return arbitrary subset of query, or sometimes gibblets of other users' queries, depending on load'
asciilifeform: writes silently failed erry ~third time, etc
asciilifeform: ( one might naively suppose that no one would use a thing like that -- but guess wat. )
mircea_popescu: you mean, like google.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866536 ftw. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 17:40 hanbot: in other still-using-google fun, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861765 << news search for bitcoin nominally yields 103M results, of which shitoogle will actually produce 290, which in turn yields ~30 non-duplicates. delayed another week i expect for spelunking.
asciilifeform: exactly like google, except billed as a writeable blog thing somehow.
asciilifeform: but moar or less rng
ben_vulpes: random return of db contents sorta related to what one asked for not so readily distinguishable from ai engagement-driving recommendations. toddlers put stuff in their mouths to figure out wtf it is, news at at eleven.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, here's anglopedia official sendoff on brejnev : "For Gorbachev and his adherents, Brezhnev came to personify everything that was wrong with the Soviet regime. The popularity of Gorbachev's program among Western specialists, and the interest generated by the new leader's dynamism after the boring stasis of Brezhnev's later years, precluded a reappraisal of Brezhnev's career until 2002, when a group of
mircea_popescu: younger scholars picked up on Brezhnev's growing popularity among certain members of the Russian population. These people remembered with fondness Brezhnev's alleviation of their or their parents' poverty, a relief made all the more striking by the extreme impoverishment experienced by many in the post-Soviet era. This reassessment may appear unwarranted to those who prize political liberty above marginal increments in materi
mircea_popescu: al consumption."
asciilifeform: trinque: deedbot down ??
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, the 'stagnation' ( 'брежневский застой' ) was opposite of the chinese proverbial 'interesting times'
mircea_popescu: eh, it's not so simple, su was doing pretty shittily economically.
mircea_popescu: "oh let's make more steel". not much of a plan, india makes most ofg the world's steel today and nobody cares.
asciilifeform: btw, phunphakt -- the black market folx like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878313 , were left largely alone in stalin's time, and filled all sortsa gaps ( Officially they had to use only 'factory tailings' for raw material. but in practice were left almost entirely unmolested . ) it was hrusch who 'drank own coolaid' and started nailing'em in earnest ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 19:59 asciilifeform: 'The story was very typical. The famous Roifman who was at the center of the first of the “textile trials” also kept his mouth shut, so that not even the snoopers could talk him round. Then he was summoned to see Semichastny, head of the KGB, and Malyarov, the Deputy Public Prosecutor, who gave him their sincere Party word that he wouldn’t be shot if he gave up his riches. Roifman believed them, handed in his valuables—and
asciilifeform: with the predictable result.
mircea_popescu: centralisation only goes one way.
asciilifeform: when inca swallows, generally doesn't unswallow, aha
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zE9Cl/?raw=true << roifman .
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/yHrdBkn.jpg
trinque: ty asciilifeform. did you say you figured out what the reconnect bug was with pehbot or no?
trinque: if not it'll be near the top of my stack to investigate.
asciilifeform: trinque: sadly i have not instrumented the thing to see why sometimes not reconnects
asciilifeform: fwiw pehbot's stood for ~week straight nao
asciilifeform: but erry once in a while it does fall
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/4fMFcPq.jpg
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in the local rags: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/aeronaves-militares-rusa-y-saudies-estacionaron-en-uruguay-durante-la-cumbre-del-g20-201812421955
mircea_popescu: wtf is with the "sapiosexuals"
asciilifeform: !#s sapiosexual
a111: 10 results for "sapiosexual", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sapiosexual
asciilifeform: apparently a redditism
mircea_popescu: some ustards read foucault in translation sometime last year, decided "they want to break free of socially-constructed sexual prison", "invented more sexualities"
mircea_popescu: this is "attracted to intelligence", notwithstanding sophia has little to do with sepia.
mircea_popescu: also notwithstanding they can blow it out their ass, for all the diff it makes.
asciilifeform: 'let 1000 corpseflowers bloom' , or how did it go.
ben_vulpes: typically a quiet desperate plea for more than three neurons that flash when rubbed against each other. it's rare! desirable! easier to say you want it and pray the filter works than to go out and filter.
asciilifeform: evidently mircea_popescu Doing It Wrong!111 why filter sea water, just ask the uranium to walk into door
l0de: holy god
l0de: what a struggle
l0de: yes hello
l0de: l0de here
danielpbarron: l0de is the host of the l0de radio hour, the show that was recently in the news for targeted printer spam
asciilifeform: !#born l0de
a111: 2017-12-22 <l0de> ya >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756305
danielpbarron: https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2018/12/03/statement-on-flyers-containing-racist-and-homophobic-language-found-on-campus-printers/
danielpbarron: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/printeradvertisingcom-spam-service-claims-it-can-print-anywhere/
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in early 2000s there were upwards of 1000 open-to-lan printers at asciilifeform's uni. but could not think of what to feed'em..
l0de: truly
l0de: my suggestion was
asciilifeform: 'The owner of the L0de Radio Show contacted BleepingComputer and issued this statement: "I deny any involvement in these printer scam campaigns and disavow these actions. I've taken down my YouTube channel and made my twitter account protected so as not to benefit from them and am directing visitors to a charitable organization."' << rly?!
asciilifeform: why ??
l0de: or something to that extent
ben_vulpes: who's the anniez character?
danielpbarron: somoene else from l0de's channel
l0de: how frequently do you have to re-verify your key
danielpbarron: i've been authed for a month now i think
danielpbarron: it lasts until you leave the channel
l0de: nice
l0de: so freenode dependent
l0de: lemme save this dumb key
BingoBoingo: Well, connection dependent
l0de: we
l0de: will see how ircclown does
anniez: that was a struggle -_-
anniez: ty for the challenge
anniez: do you guys use keybase at all ?
danielpbarron: !#s keybase
a111: 268 results for "keybase", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=keybase
anniez: oh that's pretty cool
anniez: seems majority dislike keybase
asciilifeform: anniez: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828702 << ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 14:31 asciilifeform: KimuSan^: how , precisely , does keybase differ from the key escrow db clinton tried to make mandatory ?
anniez: asciilifeform: what's the mandatory clinton key db ?
asciilifeform: anniez: https://www.epic.org/crypto/clipper/white_house_statement_2_94.html & elsewhere
asciilifeform: early usg attempt to ban crypto
anniez: god dangit
anniez: i'm sick of these rich asshole fkin things up
asciilifeform: anniez: point being, if you use some idiot's 'service' to park privkey in, you're ~voluntarily~ clintonizing yer key
l0de: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V84GENt8BDg
l0de: o fuq
anniez: ye that makes sense
anniez: nice l0de someone got you in the news
anniez: sorta
anniez: do you know who been sending those out?
l0de: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NQ0FRI2o/image.png
l0de: idk
l0de: maybe that hackergiraffe guy
l0de: or the torpedo
anniez: asciilifeform: damn, that sounds true af