tmsr - Log 2018-12-22

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mircea_popescu: i don't follow the logic ? are they that big or aren't they that big ?

asciilifeform: * mircea_popescu has quit (Ping timeout << lol didja try an' run the test and overheat yer box ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're exactly analogous to diana_coman's keccak test patterns, and can be made as large or small as one wants.

asciilifeform: these'll come in 2 variants (and for a selection of bitnesses) , 'uniform' and 'slid'; the former has 3 entirely FGistic args per modexp, and the latter also has'em shifted by random bitness (to give leading 0s, while excluding the prohibited div0 of 'mod 0' ) .

asciilifeform: on proper (i.e. constanttimeistic iron mul) irons, 'uniform' and 'slid' test vectors will give same (to within timer jitter) runtimes when fed to ffa (of either ch13 or ch14 variety.) ☟︎

asciilifeform: on defective (i.e. non-constanttime iron mul, or any other similar defect) they will give variant runtimes.

asciilifeform: on utterly defective iron (under cosmic rays??) they will print eggogs, cuz answer of some modexp somewhere dun match the given.

asciilifeform: i dun presently own any examples of the last two mentioned irons, so gonna need some help (anybody have a ppc?)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882675 << before anyone nitpicks, gotta clarify, obv. very diff timings b/w 13 and 14. but will be uniform ~within~ particular ch./bitness . ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-22 00:29 asciilifeform: on proper (i.e. constanttimeistic iron mul) irons, 'uniform' and 'slid' test vectors will give same (to within timer jitter) runtimes when fed to ffa (of either ch13 or ch14 variety.)

asciilifeform: the correct answs to the test patterns will be same regardless of how modexp is performed, today or 100y from nao. so handy test.

asciilifeform: ( and yes i'll be surprised if we dun find that somebody has a box with rotten nonecc ram , or similar, and exposed by this. )

asciilifeform: it is very easy to produce tests like this, cuz ffa tapes can (elementarily) print ffa tapes. ( this is essential, is how e.g. key genning worx )

asciilifeform: tuned-in folx will recall that exactly this, was exercise 1 of ch5, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071#selection-2965.0-2973.10 .

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882670 << nah, just moved over here. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-22 00:16 asciilifeform: * mircea_popescu has quit (Ping timeout << lol didja try an' run the test and overheat yer box

mircea_popescu: anyways, i don't expect you have to or should vpatch the ~data~. is thar what you meant by "vectors" ?

asciilifeform: ( anybody can generate own set, via the given method )

mircea_popescu: yeaok.

lobbes: spyked: as planned I have turned lobbesbot's rss-o-tron offline- feel free to have feedbot join #eulora at your convenience

spyked: lobbes: all done. feedbot will now send rss notifications from all feeds #eulora has been subscribed to. let me know if it encounters any trouble.

mircea_popescu: pretty cool.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can i get a shared hosting instance briefly spun up so i test drive it ? i have like a suspicion mp-wp is subtly broken in places, maybe, or something's afoot.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure. I'll spin one up for you. GPGgram me an ssh public key.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VaZij/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: lol he fixed it in the title...

mircea_popescu: anyway, nfi what their racism angle is, most girls to call themselves "thicc" i ever saw were white (a subtrope of how "most girls to everything -- white, there's barely any blacks extant anyway).

mircea_popescu: in other news, this businessinsider piece on "where people moved on to tumblr now that tumblr went all clinton" is entirely worthless. like it's the 1990s all over again and granny brings you "a different game just as good" she found in the discount bin because wtf is this warcraft thing anyway.

mircea_popescu: the question stands as such, where's the place for me to from:mircea haslink:true from now on ?!

mircea_popescu: i'm totally NOT blowing the dust off ye olde ro chan thing for fuck's sake.

mircea_popescu: (and yes, in general the same process should yield, tumblr got picked because google kept popping it up. but we DEFINITELY live in the age of retardation, google is as useful for search as soviet mall is for shopping.)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they had 'porn purge' powered by that 'ai', the one which picks up lolcats as cunt etc

mircea_popescu: yes, i recall, since http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881337 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 07:39 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "tumblr goes full retard", https://i.ibb.co/HrXHSKJ/tumblr.jpg

diana_coman is impressed with asciilifeform's lolcat skillz in latest ffa proof :D

asciilifeform: lolcat is a powerful instrument, to be used sparingly, but imho nothing less would've sufficed for that part of the proof.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in etrange, https://cdn02.bdsmlr.com/uploads/pictures/2015/03/154/bdsmlr-142-aBDNPrbD8Q1.jpg

asciilifeform always pictured 'redditbag' as having a standardized 'face' printed

mircea_popescu: hey, "apple has had a homogenizing and sanitizing effect on '''the internet''' (ie, the special reservation for morons, retards and other debris finding its way the fuck out since 1993)." ☟︎

mircea_popescu: they found the standardkeepers -- those morons who still haven't figured out cabling.

asciilifeform: y'mean aol? ( crapple only reluctantly even sold modem, in '93 )

mircea_popescu: no, i mean apple. they're still out there trying to sell three inch "cables" for 19.95 aren't they ?

mircea_popescu: right, 100 in today's dollars, almost a nickel.

mircea_popescu: right!

asciilifeform: ( i could go on at length, they've reached heights of lulz unknown even in 1990s, when they at least sold standard hdds. today even the drives have custom pinouts, cost 10 : 1 vs ordinary )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty ! i'ma roll this (and your prev sigs) into the currently-baking ch

asciilifeform: btw diana_coman since you read 1-6, you can nao rsa!11

a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 20:14 asciilifeform: i can actually think of applications where you'd want 100% egypt.

diana_coman: I actually timed it on a comp and it's not *that* bad,no

asciilifeform: if yer sending a probe to pluto, it'll actually rsa faster than the time of signal bounce, yes

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re crapple lulz : bolixtron lives in a mid-90s crapple, and it's surprisingly better in buncha ways than their current offering (standard cabling, ultrascsi hdd, apparently standard period rams , ordinary vga, etc )

mircea_popescu: aha.

mircea_popescu: aaanyways, not really worth doing one of these other than as a distributed store, and so on.

asciilifeform: ( tho, interestingly, this 'quadra 650' machine , per https://archive.is/G2Gd0 , orig. sold (empty!) for ~2400 (1993!) orcbux. )

mircea_popescu: hey, 14 inch monitors were four digit also.

asciilifeform: they had'em in the school i ended up in when went to usa

asciilifeform: i remember thinking 'where the fuck is the rom basic'

asciilifeform: 'how come our '82 3rdhand 'commodore' has basic and these mega-comps dunhave'

mircea_popescu: i took it as a "freedom" : back in soviety, had to have basic, here can install w/e one wants.

mircea_popescu: worked quite well in the dos/borland days.

asciilifeform: never (at least then) located a programmable-anyffin that ran on these. all i managed to do was find how to get to the rom forth and hose the 'lockdowned' boxen

mircea_popescu: and while gw-basic sucked balls, qbasic was a pleasure, and to this day a standard too far -- for eg, emacs, or for whatever. ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i fiddled with 'quickbasic' (the 'non-crippled' ver of microshit 'qbasic' for more yrs than care to admit

mircea_popescu: had ooda loop!

diana_coman: uhm, esthlos's blog at blog.esthlos.com gives for me "error establishing a database connection"?? yo, esthlos, what are you doing those days?

mircea_popescu: diana_coman confirmed.

mircea_popescu: apparently he went away ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phunphakt, msdos 'edit' is actually qbasic exe , with a few NOP'd bytes

diana_coman: the summaries link is still working from what I can see

asciilifeform: diana_coman: maybe he comes back. or, whoknows , some folx tune out but leave box on autopilot for ~years~ (e.g. mike_c did, or for instance Framedragger's log thing still worked as of coupla wks ago when i last looked.. )

asciilifeform: for that matter : some folx have net access in their tombs ! behold : http://naggum.no << loads

asciilifeform: in other weird, apparently ye olde crapples had no way to physically anchor the 'nubus' cards to the case -- they just relied on the mechanical friction of the connector. and strangely enuff, thing survived shipping, not loose at all.

asciilifeform: ( aint even a card-edge connector, like isa,pci,et al, but ye olde 'eurocard' thingie, with pins, like the old suns had )

mircea_popescu: nicoleci "Thereare" << your leads miss a space on all paragraph.

asciilifeform: to revisit upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882749 << there still aint anyffing (on pc, rather than bolixisms etc) that even equals the handiness of turboc & watcom (ideological successor, arguably) -- i.e. with the single-stepping inside editor, etc ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-22 17:38 mircea_popescu: and while gw-basic sucked balls, qbasic was a pleasure, and to this day a standard too far -- for eg, emacs, or for whatever.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, this ~doesn't~ come with preinstalled mp-wp ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform f7!!!

mircea_popescu: jesus i mashed f7 more than any other key before or hence

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo somehow i had this idea you just keep around a standard version that's auto-rolled into shared hosting users

mircea_popescu: (seeing how there's ~nothing else for them to do on a shared acct anyway ; at any rate it's been why i funelled them)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it ?

mircea_popescu: am i missing something here ? either it is or it isn't -- {automated ; identical}

mircea_popescu: well BingoBoingo can i then have the item installed, since that's what i'm trying to test.

a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 16:57 mircea_popescu: in other vaguely related line, person recently pointed out "you know, your screen+vi&bash combo is almost like emacs for retards", to much private merriment.

mircea_popescu: the specific installation.

mircea_popescu likes the pizarro 32char pws.

BingoBoingo: It's not like the extra characters come with extra cost

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so here's the problem : in http://88isp.net/wp-admin/post-new.php as extant in current install, there's two major items missing : 1) the html view (tab is there, but apparently unlinked to anything) and 2) the upload/insert (pops up some version of media-upload.php with article references etc on sane installs).

mircea_popescu: this completely breaks it, at least as far as my workflow is concerned, because i never use anything besides 1 and you can't very practically get images in without 2. they're both core functionality of why i even bother with mp-wp in the first place, rather than some random other solution.

mircea_popescu: now, traditionally 2 is caused by over-aggressive .htaccess settings in wp-admin and wp-admin/js however your .htaccess consists of "#Order deny,allow\n#Deny from all\n#Allow from all"

mircea_popescu: which is not even sane (seeing how if uncommented the server croaks) and anyway dysfunctional (really, mp-wp installation is vulnerable to cookie hijacking, you're supposed to lock down wp-admin by ip, especially if you're going to be clicking on random links).

mircea_popescu: i suspect breakage somewhere along the way, because iirc hanbot 's mp-wp that i testrun at some point had these.

mircea_popescu: neways, will have to get to the bottom of this, because "visual" mode is both stupid and orgmode-like ; and really can't blog w/o pics, take nicoleci 's latest task, she gotta put in the orig pics or else what are we doing here.

BingoBoingo remembers something happening to tinymce down the line with hanbots patches to mp-wp will have to dig to see what happened. Neither of the editor tabs appear to be linked to anything in the mp-wp's I've pressed recently. They've just been html input/view boxes.

mircea_popescu: aite.

BingoBoingo: I'm not sure I've used an mp-wp install with a functional image uploader yet.

mircea_popescu: but i mean... http://thewhet.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/cml4.jpg ?

mircea_popescu: having a perma-test one isn't even the end of the world, let people try before.

BingoBoingo: I suspect the end result is a recipe that involves a bit more user configuration, not the end of the world

asciilifeform fixed a coupla swapped = vs - signs in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2875 , nfi why it took me 20+ rereads to notice..

asciilifeform: dunno if i said before, but these are a 1st-class bitch to write.

asciilifeform considered to write a proggy to generate'em, but then thought better, 'would then have ~2~ problems'

asciilifeform: i also dun wanna encourage the imho sad heathen thing where folx write 'take proggy and generate diagram'. imho proper proggy oughta be baked in such a way as to make this unnecessary, should be derivable from the description, rather than vice-versa.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo adding to the list of weird : preview button doesn't work either for some reason (expected behaviour : puts up a "as it'd look if published" article view ; actual behaviour : redirects one to an empty add article page).

mircea_popescu: the cause is that it apparently doesn't auto-save drafts (resolved if one manually saves a draft). imo autosave nice feature to have.

mircea_popescu: also ((123 kekekek.)) isn't translated to footnotes. hey hanbot did you ever include footnote plugin or did that get dropped somewhere in the interim ?