tmsr - Log 2019-07-29

BingoBoingo: In the ongoing saga of lulcow Cristina and certain jail if she ever finds herself without an office https://archive.is/srDum

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925341 << right, but asciilifeform cannot prevent the fall of uruguay as whole. so regards the polit-wankery as 'asteroid weather' ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 22:43 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, you got a business there...

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925355 << for that matter afaik remains unknown where went e.g. Framedragger. swallowed, for all i know, in bermuda triangle. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 23:01 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 22:46 mp_en_viaje: re phf, it's pretty weird case, we met a coupla times in minsk ; then he just quit answering his phone. it was mildly concerning because he was having some health issues, but the people at his hotel wouldn't fucking pick up the phone and i opted against scouring the hospitals and police blotters before leaving.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925256 << btw found shortly after posting that the 1-slot cache is not functional in the given patch. might fix, at some pt, but currently finding difficult to justify putting moar sweat into beating of the dead horse ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 19:13 feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440 << Loper OS -- M Performance Pessimizations! or: SSE is a Scam.

deedbot: tanami voiced for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: tanami: if you read and find interesting, please join #ossasepia / #asciilifeform and introduce self there.

asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 prolly oughta change that webchat link at trborg to go to your castle ☟︎

lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform iirc changed on all of his pages, if anyone finds 1 where forgot -- plox to write in ☟︎

feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/07/time-estimation-for-logotron-based-off-of-logbot-august-18th/ << lobbesblog -- Time estimation for logotron based off of logbot: August 18th

mp_en_viaje: this is SO fucking typical argentine, 100% pretense of a shocking livresque degree. it's like pantsuited hilarity declaring "if we continue with trump we'll be left without subtility even". dude, you're fucking ustards, what the fuck. ☟︎

diana_coman: lobbes: if it brings it forward, just start with the most basic: grabs the data from db and displays it in the web page; once that is on, use another week to add the segment by day and the search ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925366 << my default expectation, for all these cases, is that they're involved in a toxic cvasi-D/s relationship with a bratty princess that they worship (as per the toxic education they received from that stupid, worthelss whore of their mother). the girl pushes them and pushes them to either die or man up and put her on her knees as she needs and wants to be ; and they die, a slow, lengthy, p ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 00:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925355 << for that matter afaik remains unknown where went e.g. Framedragger. swallowed, for all i know, in bermuda triangle.

mp_en_viaje: i run into said princesses at the rate of ~1/week ; eg http://trilema.com/2019/the-burlesque-competition-and-assorted-observances/?b=By%20far&e=chick#select very much exactly same. and they confess, too, she told me all about her bf, and how she got ever more aggressive, an eventually blood on the floor. wouldn't believe it's because of natural female http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/?b=nails&e=guts#select , believed her

mp_en_viaje: psych, "it's because she was abused as child", as if there can be such a thing in women.

mp_en_viaje: the ~only~ fucking way to have sane interpersonal relationships is, absolutely, admitting to the power exchange necessary and universal as the only possible cornerstone of any such thing ; but many people manage to content themselves with very lughtweight simulacra of relationships, and then on their prevalence all sort of nonsense is derived by naive republcian bois, such as "inept and unaware D/s will be perfecty safe to practi

mp_en_viaje: now, this is to my mind likely like the "likely weather is likely", out of the 10k+ possible outcomes, this is the most likely. it's still a 0.5% sorta objective absolute likelihood. it's just that everything else scores from 0.38% to 0.001%

mp_en_viaje: oh, actually, since i started this : it is harmful to a superlative degree to attempt pantsuit abuse upon little boys and call it "education". boys have to spill blood, as part of their natural and necessary function ; this is precisely why little girls come with clingwrap on their snatch.

mp_en_viaje: the principal problem of manhood is then how to negotiate aggressivity and violence, between the hammer of the winds of doom ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: how to hit hard enough ~but not harder~, when to raise an index of warning and when to raise a braided leather whip, and so ongoing.

mp_en_viaje: trying to force upon them a "just close your eyes and hum, butters", "0 tolerance policy" etcetera nonsense, complete avoidance of the fundamental problem of their life is sheer idiocy : they'll still run into the same world as adults, they'll just be at significant disadvantage over normal boys from sane cultures for having had 0 experience with it and intentional maleducation, where they can't even ~reason~ about their lack, be

mp_en_viaje: there's nothing wrong with little boy watching you cut a pheasant open, "omg, blood everywhere". the whole fucking point of life is to learn the difference between "everywhere" and everywhere, between pheasant and his horses or women -- and no, these aren't distinct nor need to be distinguished.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925368 << i guess it's possible. seems unlikely on the basis of general experience, but nfi ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 00:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925342 << sounds like possible case of naggum.

mp_en_viaje: the fundamental difference being that naggum wrote a lot and phf avoided expressing self like you'd avoid fucking shambling old crackwhores in a leprosorium ; on which basis i'd daresay "nah, it'd be too much like expressing himself". ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925386 << no, actually, to an actual castle. he's just as on his way out as he was at time of last lordship list revision, and quite frankly the absolute last thing i want to see is noobs infected with whatever brain parasite that turned 2013-2014 mod6 into 2018-2019 mod6. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 01:57 asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 prolly oughta change that webchat link at trborg to go to your castle

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925389 << self-correcting problem, if noobs keep showing up they'll flag it for you lol ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 01:58 asciilifeform iirc changed on all of his pages, if anyone finds 1 where forgot -- plox to write in

deedbot: diana_coman rated zmk -5 << Bubico Garson (eu l-am aruncat, manca-i-ai coada!).

feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/29/overview-of-ffa-ch1-ch19/ << Ossa Sepia -- Overview of FFA Ch1 - Ch19 ☟︎

diana_coman: he came into #ossasepia to "learn" but wouldn't give a name other than "zmk" so I gave him a name, what; he apparently ran off when he saw it was for realz, hence negrate.

mp_en_viaje: reading diana_coman 's executive summary really brings into focus the beauty of stan's ffa. fucking gem, what.

mp_en_viaje: re "drop shitty gpg" : the one remaining issue is key bootstrapping. to use peh instead of gpg one can't just keep plaintext rsa privkeys ; but peh has no built-in symmcipher either, so wut do. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in derpistani lulz : it just rained for maybe 15-20 minutes (admittedly kinda hard) and... kiev is now flooded, foot tall waves in the "street"

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: had changed it before that to "is not always considered"; do you think it's best "is not always to be considered"?

diana_coman: oh, lemme guess re kiev - nobody ever actually cleared the drains since... USSR? ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, 100% bucharest/timisoara/what have you. ukraina 100% greater-romania, nfi why they didn't simply join ☟︎

spyked: mp_en_viaje, this morning it rained in bucharest for about 2hrs straight (similarly, with 20 mins of heavy rain). another 3hrs later, streets are all dry and I expect by tomorrow it'll be back to 30+ degrees celsius

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925129 <-- I did notice, I'll be more careful to properly explain "why chosen to do X" in the future; relatedly, a long time ago /me studied basic jazz theory and it went exactly along the lines of "this mistake is actually a correct note in that particular context" ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-27 16:50 mp_en_viaje: spyked, my two "objections", as i'm sure you noticed, tend towards a broad "omfg, bad habits" sorta something.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925131 <-- ok. as far as I can see, this means that genesizing a CLtron should be next thing on the list after current item; otherwise can't run *any* of this CL code. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-27 16:51 mp_en_viaje: as far as your practical example : do not genesis parts ; include the 12 things in yoru genersis if they are needed.

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925395 << if you are good with the piecemeal approach, then I am. I'll see if I can get just that basic piece done by end-of-day August 4th ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 06:33 diana_coman: lobbes: if it brings it forward, just start with the most basic: grabs the data from db and displays it in the web page; once that is on, use another week to add the segment by day and the search

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925126 << this has been good advice, btw, especially since I tend to get ahead of myself in general. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-27 16:40 mp_en_viaje: slow and steady does it, btw. new beginnings are exciting, but new girls require patience.

lobbes: I'm certainly improvising as I go here, but I gots a notebook near my bed that I write down shit I *want* to try to introduce her to, but only in time. Going slow (over the internets anyways, so no real rush in either case)

mp_en_viaje: how the fuck does this work can't be explained, but -- those dudes have tip top internet, no restaurants, here GREAT restaurant scene, shitty interwebs... wtf ☟︎

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/deluge-in-kiev-and-other-excess-stories/ << Trilema -- Deluge in Kiev, and other excess stories.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925415 << this is a point, fella was for some reason unable to bring himself to write... ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 07:13 mp_en_viaje: the fundamental difference being that naggum wrote a lot and phf avoided expressing self like you'd avoid fucking shambling old crackwhores in a leprosorium ; on which basis i'd daresay "nah, it'd be too much like expressing himself".

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 09:44 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/29/overview-of-ffa-ch1-ch19/ << Ossa Sepia -- Overview of FFA Ch1 - Ch19

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 07:30 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925389 << self-correcting problem, if noobs keep showing up they'll flag it for you lol

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925432 << needs keccak to actually rsa 'in anger', picked this up nao that asciilifeform returned from awol (where wrote 4l ln of ultimately failed asm experiment 'm') . but also thought about this point prior, will elaborate : ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 11:16 mp_en_viaje: re "drop shitty gpg" : the one remaining issue is key bootstrapping. to use peh instead of gpg one can't just keep plaintext rsa privkeys ; but peh has no built-in symmcipher either, so wut do.

asciilifeform: given that 'peh' eats tape from stdio (this is by design, so that can 'chain' tapes) the only practical solution to symmetricizing seekritz kept on disk, afaik, is commandline 'serpent' util or similar. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i wrote one, but it needs a bit of polish. imho it may be an unhealthy thing, though, gold standard for 'secrets kept unattended' would be a dedicated iron, rather than 'type in passphrase into this linux proggy, and 'faith-based' count on the os not to stow the keystrokes somewhere'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925396 << by some accounts, this disease killed even crowned heads ( ceausescu ) , and saharov, and buncha other 'names' , large an' small , ( an' many yrs ago almost killed asciilifeform , who did not come from factory with mp's complete immunity ) and fuck knows whom else ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 06:37 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925366 << my default expectation, for all these cases, is that they're involved in a toxic cvasi-D/s relationship with a bratty princess that they worship (as per the toxic education they received from that stupid, worthelss whore of their mother). the girl pushes them and pushes them to either die or man up and put her on her knees as she needs and wants to be ; and they die, a slow, lengthy, p

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925439 << the 'transnistria' story illustrates 'why not joined'. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 11:44 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, 100% bucharest/timisoara/what have you. ukraina 100% greater-romania, nfi why they didn't simply join

asciilifeform: ( orc 'nationalist' wanks tend to follow language map, near as i can tell. ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: sorta why gluing lang-incompatible orcistans generally requires an external conqueror (ru, austrians, turks, ..) who impose yet third lang

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 13:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925432 << needs keccak to actually rsa 'in anger', picked this up nao that asciilifeform returned from awol (where wrote 4l ln of ultimately failed asm experiment 'm') . but also thought about this point prior, will elaborate :

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925437 << i suspect that autos parked on sidewalk (endemic in orcistans where 'hey nao you can borrow to buy merc' , saw in bucharest same) collapsed the drains. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 11:43 diana_coman: oh, lemme guess re kiev - nobody ever actually cleared the drains since... USSR?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925458 << afaik it is at least partially a 'winds blowing down towers' problem : in ukristan, isps owned by competing mobs routinely cut one another's wires ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 12:31 mp_en_viaje: how the fuck does this work can't be explained, but -- those dudes have tip top internet, no restaurants, here GREAT restaurant scene, shitty interwebs... wtf

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 07:00 mp_en_viaje: the principal problem of manhood is then how to negotiate aggressivity and violence, between the hammer of the winds of doom

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 13:49 asciilifeform: given that 'peh' eats tape from stdio (this is by design, so that can 'chain' tapes) the only practical solution to symmetricizing seekritz kept on disk, afaik, is commandline 'serpent' util or similar.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it is entirely possible to build-in. this doesn't really solve 'unix is leaky' tho.

mp_en_viaje: the "proper iron" will STILL need an activation, it can't jus tbe the magic rock of sluttery, serving all who hold it in hand.

asciilifeform: ( 'build in' would require explicitly calling the keyboard, also, a la gpg, rather than 'pw from stdin', tape is already coming from stdin )

mp_en_viaje: alternatively, what we could do, is "fg"-like that always plays same sequence over and over. then item could be ~republican key.

asciilifeform: i did expect that folx would ask for this. there aint afaik a portable way of doing it, however, will require ugly c imports.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: peh was specifically designed to work cleanly with ~this~ variant also. (hence 'cutout' mechanism)

asciilifeform: i.e. variant where the end of the pipe is a device running also peh , talking over r232.

mp_en_viaje: i believe it's the correct approach, have fixed-size repeaters, like so : 1. plug into FG, will load up a 4kb chunk of random ; 2. unplug, it repeats the chunk permanently while powered.

mp_en_viaje: but yes, this will need more talk ; looks like it's getting towards being mature enough where actual pgp usage is contemplatable.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why transmit the key over the (potentially loud) serial ? rsa in the box.

a111: Logged on 2017-06-02 03:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile!! http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/1.jpg , http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/2.jpg

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 13:57 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925396 << by some accounts, this disease killed even crowned heads ( ceausescu ) , and saharov, and buncha other 'names' , large an' small , ( an' many yrs ago almost killed asciilifeform , who did not come from factory with mp's complete immunity ) and fuck knows whom else

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925475 << quite. but they're so deeply identical culturally speaking, it beggars beief. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 13:59 asciilifeform: ( orc 'nationalist' wanks tend to follow language map, near as i can tell. )

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: atm folx use entire lappies (iirc there's a mp photo w/ same) for the job. so even the pictured item would be substantial improvement re portability.

asciilifeform: no conceivable reason why it'd have to be laptop-sized. this being said, i'd rather use lappy with msdos peh than unix, for cipheration/signing.

asciilifeform: the gnarly bit is that attaching fg to lappy is inconvenient, given the current form factor.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr asciilifeform is of same position on 'where to rsa' as in 2013 -- ideally get it the hell off the pc.

asciilifeform: even if the 4096bit modexp that's 2sec on pc, is 200sec on battery-powered micro, still imho entirely usable.

asciilifeform: this kinda thing is where fab capability would be +9000 handy. but even without it, still doable, imho.

asciilifeform: ( on pc, in addition to 'unix leaky' and other boobytraps, also gotta contend with not knowing what the fuck the cpu does internally in re constant-time )

asciilifeform: iirc we had at least 1 thread re fact that pc is ~monstrously~ inefficient in re rsa, and even very simple custom ic, on batteries would massively win over 'bleeding edge' x86 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 21:09 asciilifeform: rather, a standard, e.g., verilog mips, with the registers extended to 8192b.

asciilifeform: but ordinary 32-bit slow micro ~also~ wins, if not in speed, but in 'knowing wtf is in the box' param.

asciilifeform: arguably ffa series is moar primarily a handbook of how to build proper 'wide' arithmetizer, than pc proggy.

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-arent-two-antipsychotics-better-than-one-the-most-important-article-on-psychiatry-part-3-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Aren't Two Antipsychotics Better Than One? The Most Important Article on Psychiatry, Part 3. Adnotated.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925370 << i oughta formalize the maffs problem , on the off chance that a log reader might want to attempt it via some oddball method (e.g. radix search) : ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 00:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925256 << btw found shortly after posting that the 1-slot cache is not functional in the given patch. might fix, at some pt, but currently finding difficult to justify putting moar sweat into beating of the dead horse

asciilifeform: you have at most 16 entries, each of which has a 'tag' (3 bytes) that must match the query's tag .

asciilifeform: writes to this structure have to be as fast as reads, as any time that a query results in 'not found', the table is written (typically one of the entries is replaced at ~random with a matching one, by the os)

asciilifeform: 1 naive solution i considered, was radix search, but with straight 3byte index, that's a 2^24-entry (4bit ea, i.e. index, so weights 1MB) table, would blow the pc cache to hell.

asciilifeform: the solutions i tried, were : plain iterative search ; and the simd thing. both sucked.

asciilifeform: 1 observation : given that the tags ~must~ be unique (an iron mips will actually hard-crash if you manage to -- it aint easy -- stuff 2 entries 2/ identical tags into the table) it may be possible to use some variant of crc as 'hash' for 'hash table' or similar (catch is, it gotta be ~fast~. as in, coupla instructions at most.)

asciilifeform: ( phunphakt: 1980s mipsen not only crashed, but would actually ~smoke~, if 2 identical tags! they had ultra-simplistic dual-ported sram as the table, would result in short circuit ! )

a111: Logged on 2019-07-25 17:30 asciilifeform: ... and yes there is actually a standard. even sold as dead tree b00k, called 'see mips run'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925425 >> бобик btw in ru. also not-uncommon old-school dog name. (and common parlance also for paddywagon) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 09:57 mp_en_viaje: (bubico reference for the rotaku club)

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925394 << They built their culture around the verb "faltar", of course Argentines are going to pretend to have and have had things they are without ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 06:33 mp_en_viaje: this is SO fucking typical argentine, 100% pretense of a shocking livresque degree. it's like pantsuited hilarity declaring "if we continue with trump we'll be left without subtility even". dude, you're fucking ustards, what the fuck.

BingoBoingo: Hence their normal focus on absent "recursos humanos" and squandered "recursos naturales"

mp_en_viaje: in other #help, anyone recall which the fuck trilema article did i put the chicks reading while flat on belly on old style carpet, legs in perfect splits ?

BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> 2012 ?! << Well trilema.com rolls random articles. From random articles gotta explore links, read, map, re-read, re-map, etc

dorion: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925151 << trinque as of ~20 minutes ago, deedbot tells me my !!balance is 0.0 and !!ledger is empty. however, the txn I made for this request was included in block 587568, which is 86 confirmations deep at present according to my local trb. do you see a problem on your end? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-27 20:25 dorion: !!deposit 0.05

a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 15:53 asciilifeform: anyway i think this covers the subj.

asciilifeform: 'G' means entry is 'global' (query 'asid' disregarded) ; V0 means 'valid when bit-after-bottom-of-tag in addr being translated is 0', and if match, translation replaces tag with pfn0. 1 means this but ~odd~, and pfn1, respectively;

asciilifeform: d0 means 'dirty' i.e. writes are permitted. v1/d1 are same as this, but for when bit-below-bottom-of-tag is ~odd~.

asciilifeform: ('asid' in practice corresponds to process id. but mips gives only 1 byte for it, so e.g. linux shuffles'em so to be unique at any given time in table )

asciilifeform: this incidentally is 9000x simpler than pc's page table. but still quite inconvenient under emulation (vs. physical iron, where it's a o(1) content-addressed ram lookup )

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-people-attracted-to-good-dancers-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are People Attracted To Good Dancers? Adnotated.

feedbot: http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-documenting-my-encounter-with-step-2/ << ave1 -- Lisp, documenting my encounter with, step #2

mp_en_viaje: ave1, you fucked up the footnote format. remember that a (( opens and a )) closes and there's no nesting. thus therefore you can never have (( inside a footnote, like you do in footnote 3 ☟︎