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mircea_popescu: in other shit nobody cares about, it's quite impossible to describe just how much romania's decayed since joining the eu -- particularly in the past 5/10 eyars.
mircea_popescu: dying-dead-decaying-decayed as a metaphorical approach sounds trite through overuse, but it's also chillingly accurate. from the very specific feel of the particular manner in whichaustro-hungarian architectural heritage's decaying (becayse yes, this is very highly specific, it's not just a word or just ten words, it's "german musical universe" sort of precise, particular and specific)
mircea_popescu: all the way to the drastic sadness of "supermarket" stocking or "posh" hangout places, including there the relationship of the people themselves to the obvious (and obviously disavowed) awareness of their inadequacy.
mircea_popescu: be it the dentist who doesn't have an imaging cabinet at her "smileup tooth health center", and KNOWS she should, and goes to incredible lengths to subtly deal with this orally, get me to do this and that for her TWENTY DOLLAR consultation fee
mircea_popescu: be it the "dj" who, atop the roof of a parking lot, is trying to "mc" some of the saddest retarded-white-trash-kids-from-the-ghetto-made-themselves-a-band-just-like-their-mommies-heard-those-rich-suburban-kids-used-to-do-in-THEIR-moms-garages-backintheninteties
mircea_popescu: i could go on, but it's not worht anyone's time. call them centrul preorasenesc "romania", si mai da-i si-n pula.
diana_coman: lolz, except the dentist part the rest sounds quite familiar re ro, yes
asciilifeform: lol! what does this sorta dentist even do ? operate door-rope-powered tooth puller ?!
mircea_popescu: i have nfi. hangs out with nicoleci 's described "matress store" consisting of a piling of matresses and an old woman in a room
mircea_popescu: it's not any one detail, though. it's the system. they've meanwhile re-crystalised their idiocy, and it remarkably preserved just about all of it.
diana_coman: how was it, "vin ai nostri, pleac-ai nostri, noi ramanem tot ca prostii"
mircea_popescu: i suspect demographic collapse is at the root of it. by the end of 90s, about half of the top first percentile had left the country.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: timis seemed quite empty of people.
mircea_popescu: by the time 2001 rolled around, that nigger at dept of state and all the rest of the lulz -- about half of the top 5% had left
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, as 2020 is just around the corner -- three quarters of the top quarter left.
mircea_popescu: this is societal colapse.
asciilifeform: i suspect bottom also left, those toilets in germany won't polish themselves
mircea_popescu: no, that
mircea_popescu: s what the bottom half of the top quarter are doing.
asciilifeform believes
mircea_popescu: o look at that, they can't even do internets.
mircea_popescu: anyways, i was entertaining vague "why not buy a few acres of orchard somewhere, plant down a haremhous". but i'm now thoroughly disabused of a notion
asciilifeform: hm i thought mircea_popescu already did this last mo
mircea_popescu: as cool concrete two level subteranean "parking" / basement built to industrial standards would be... in this shithole it'd be a liability more than anything.
mircea_popescu: do what ?
asciilifeform: in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915371 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-23 19:57 mircea_popescu: hello all, from the european castle mp!
mircea_popescu: oh. it's a rental ;/
asciilifeform: aa!
mircea_popescu: unless i rent a mall... and honestly, the shit here is not worth owning.
mircea_popescu: somehow romania consists of a large aggregate pile of debris whose individual cost to own exceeds both expected lifetime utility and replacement value
mircea_popescu: and don't ask me how this is possible. i have nfi how it is possible. i agree it violates basic economic laws.
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu rented errywhere, i.e. nowhere actually +ev to own the walls
mircea_popescu: as i said, was ~entertaining~
mircea_popescu: you can not rent the hosue i'd build for any money. mostly because nobody generally includes half inch thick steel rings in the little girls' basement cellrooms
mircea_popescu: they like... marry them instead and shit.
asciilifeform: perhaps can rent that gitmo branch office bush II built in ro. betcha has rings.
mircea_popescu: it's the saddest thing...
mircea_popescu: didn't even fucking build it.
asciilifeform: shoemaker production?
mircea_popescu: nah, pre-ww2
mircea_popescu: shitty, 1 bathroom per floor and what's a 3x3 meter tub
mircea_popescu: (srsly people, what the FUCK is the point of having tubs smaller than the human being ? you don't make beds like that, do you ?)
asciilifeform without even being mircea_popescu , in the past negotiated 'i'll rent this if you put in x, y, z' leases
mircea_popescu: yeah, but how are they gonna excavate a floor underneath ?
asciilifeform: this is a point, ameristani matchstick dwellings much cheaper to rework
mircea_popescu: moreover, how are they gonna make it be in an old orchard ?
mircea_popescu: item has to have narrowly pre-existed me
asciilifeform: moreover, old but not ~too~, iirc the tree is good for 2-3 decades
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: depends on the tree, but anyways
mircea_popescu: ideally what i'd want would be 16 or so hectare's worth of wel ldrained soil on calcarous substrate, moderatelly hilly, covered in walnut or mixed cherry planted 20 meters apart sometime around 1970 ; within 20 miles of a main road but not closer than 5.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: what, no proper old buildings with basement and acres of land ? conace, cule
mircea_popescu: i guess other trees might work, but certainly not fucking "prodution" apple or other 3 meter tall lolshits
mircea_popescu: and, obviously, it'd have to not be in this jurisdiction, because romania sucks.
mircea_popescu: (notwithstanding that i do not believe the item described physically exists in this whole oregon, because the locals are monkeys)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, o laie.
mircea_popescu: nothing built before 1950 is built in any fucking sense, what, ima dynamite pathways for plumbing through their haphazard river rock and mortar aglomerations ?
mircea_popescu would not take "classic" euro "palace" for free, piece of shit HAS NO BATHROOMS
diana_coman: renovated old buildings so I'd assume they actually have that sort of thing but admittedly I haven't actually visited any of those myself (and fwiw afaik wineyards or woods rather than orchards)
diana_coman: I don't think I actually know of ANY orchard as I'd want it in whole Romania, myeah.
asciilifeform: retrofitting a toilet, bath, aint exactly mars mission tho
mircea_popescu: it is.
asciilifeform: easier at any rate than building time machine to plant, lol, orchard in '70
mircea_popescu: you think so because you've never tried. but it is my considered oppinion retrofitting bath into 1800s "palace" is marginally more pleasant than retrofitting sane memory managemet into windows excel.
asciilifeform: admittedly -- not tried.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, have visited, would not live there.
asciilifeform reminded by this of the time he went to bmore and was shown around various ruins, 'wouldja like to buy the whole block? why not?' then added up the cost of terraforming...
diana_coman: well, look we got ps "for free" and it's not even THAT old!
mircea_popescu: ikr.
mircea_popescu: but it's also not rock -- that stands upon itself as only support.
mircea_popescu: one of the first articles on trilema is about ~this. my opinion hasn't mellowed out with age, but on the contrary -- from an utilitarian perspective, the leftover constructions are fit for demolition and naught else.
mircea_popescu: sure, one might preserve them, as museums. but i wouldn't wanna live in the house a rich jew from 1819 built for himself and his family anymore than i'd wanna live in the mote & baily some never-washed briton built for the ugly lass he broke his prick in
diana_coman: from at least one perspective, it's hard to argue why would one ever actually *want* to leave in someone else's house - assuming that it was indeed built to fit the original owner's specific idiosynchrasies rather than to fit the times, the neighbours, the architect or whatever else
diana_coman: to live*
mircea_popescu: yes, but standardized "the times" housing as available now is... well...
mircea_popescu: you know, like fast food. but exactly. mchouses.
mircea_popescu: "you can't say it ISNT food"
diana_coman: that much is true and partially why the old houses are "better" - because at least less mchouse in principle, at least along the lines that it's anyway picked as "the best of old houses since the worst are anyway not even standing anymore"
mircea_popescu: much like lisp "is better"
mircea_popescu: better at what, not running ?
diana_coman: pretty much like that; better than cpp
mircea_popescu: just not native to any system you can buy, is all.
asciilifeform went and dug up 'asciilifeform in bmore' thrd, and saw that he used a rubbish image paste thing. this was a mistake, and nao corrected. perma-archive of the item nao here. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 02:06 asciilifeform: it wasn't condemned
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ may find of interest.
asciilifeform brb:teatime
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty
BingoBoingo: In other news ARGIES FUCKED ELECTRICITY UP today
BingoBoingo: Does not appear to have affected the Pizarro rack. Took out power in the habitation module for some time.
BingoBoingo: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/apagon-masivo-afecta-a-todo-uruguay-y-argentina-20196169355
BingoBoingo: Argentine coverage of the matter http://archive.is/gw1GY
mircea_popescu: keks
BingoBoingo: Note that in the Argentine-Uruguay interconnection relationship... Argentina is the IMPORTER!
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in horse fights https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Mujica-sobre-Cosse--La-criticaron-por-el-Antel-Arena-y-ahora-va-a-venir-a-jugar-la-NBA--uc721433
mircea_popescu: but ofcourse
BingoBoingo: "Refiriéndose a la precandidata como "la doña", Mujica afirmó que "le cortó la cara a las multinacionales de la comunicación y contribuyó a que Uruguay sea el país más digitalizado de América Latina" y que "la criticaron por el Antel Arena pero ahora va a venir la NBA a jugar" en él."
mircea_popescu: digital black dudes ?
mircea_popescu: these orc minds in which "to critique" is the up to date, digital way to say the bad
BingoBoingo: I suspect some sort of exhibition or maybe the Harlem globetrotters misrepresented as the NBA. Worst NBA team versus national champion Aguada could be pretty lulzy
mircea_popescu: or maybe the us infrastructure's crumbling to the degree nba actually has to play in uruguay
mircea_popescu: that and declining cable interest.
BingoBoingo: I suspect "la criticaron" when used by Mujica is him trying to sell his socialism as Frenchish
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that and declining cable interest. << So Antel has a free tv streaming thing all of their customers can use. One of its few channels is NBA network
BingoBoingo: It seems the US sports bubble is fairly well popped with the NFL and NBA having popped the most.
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: not going back up, either.
mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, the 1-in-10 girls athlete (aka stripper) will outincome the 1-in-100k boy athlete (aka black dude)
BingoBoingo: Hockey appears to be thriving either in spite, or because it doesn't draw the excess ananlyst wank Basketball and handegg do
mircea_popescu: nah, it cycled later. peaked in the 90s. will be i nthe same hole 2025ish
BingoBoingo: Hockey gets great veiwership numbers, but can't be national headline subject because not black.
BingoBoingo: The bubble though is very visible in baseball where, without salary caps or other "fairness" things.. the free agent market has been very dead the past two years.
mircea_popescu: also why it still gets (comparatively) great viewership numbers
BingoBoingo: Apparently 6, maybe 7 figure paleface crowd went to Saint Louis to celebrate them getting the hockey trophy. There apparently were no typical "urban" incidents of note.
BingoBoingo: Crowd appeared to have temporarily altered the city's demographics sufficiently to be ~Portland instead of ~Detroit for the day
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feedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2019/06/16/pizarro-isp-june-16th-update/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP June 16th Update
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/06/argentine-fuckup-leads-to-power-outages-in-argentina-uruguay-and-parts-of-other-south-american-countries/ << Qntra -- Argentine Fuckup Leads To Power Outages In Argentina, Uruguay, And Parts Of Other South American Countries
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: s/mot/most
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/06/16/the-environmental-problem-in-the-new-world-part-two/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- The Environmental Problem In The New World: Part Two