pete_dushenski: even though contravex doesn't pop up here anymore, i get a kick out of the fact that it's still mostly #t'ers and former #t'ers who comment there. i guess this place still is the ballsiest nook of the net no matter what.
BingoBoingo: Well, we will still be here when the kids are done raising you.
pete_dushenski: heh. my goal is to beat them in every sport until they're bar mitzvah'd, by which point they'll be little men and i should be well and retire-ready.
pete_dushenski: i could see all of #t in south america by that point too
pete_dushenski: what's africa got that south america doesn't, other than aids ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of pictures, hey asciilifeform ! where's your travelog!
pete_dushenski: couldn't find this in the logs (so apologies if it's a repost) but holy shit is usg.btc scraping the bottom of the barrel if fatso karpeles is being resurrected as "cto" of privateinternetaccess (vpn)
http://archive.is/XusOQ pete_dushenski is still waiting for asciilifeform travelog of romania, and giveaway book list...
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 14:19 mircea_popescu: and in other fucking nonsense, freenode has decided to redirect ALL inbound links to its most recent web page, to advertise to the world privateinternetaccess.com, ie the nsa front ; and their derpitude in support of "resurrecting tor". this of course includes all old manual pages and everything else.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: fatso even lost like 20 kilos in prison, so less-fatso now!
mircea_popescu: but did he know you can put mac and cheese on a pizza and it'd taste assewome!
pete_dushenski: lol he'll figure that out the day after he figures out that being "rich" means that you don't have to beg for jobs and "second chances"
pete_dushenski: just finished reading "NYT #1" (aren't they all) book by yuval harari - homo deus - in which this ~historian~ goes on and on about ai taking ur jerbs, magick biotech pills that will turn us into supermen, and other technodystopianist nonsense. had dude shut up after first 2/3rds of the book and stuck with the history of human technological progress
pete_dushenski: , it would've been a winner. but no, he had had to usg.gavin all over the place and draw dumb straight lines into infinity.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 00:11 BingoBoingo: Maybe by that point Africa?
pete_dushenski: doesn't that defeat the advantage of decentralisation ? or are you thinking many such zones ?
mircea_popescu: by the time our automated batteries defend our own mining bots and nobody else can even be online unless they're doing what told, "decentralisation" per se is a rather meaningless concept.
mircea_popescu: decentralization is only meaningful in a structure which permits centrality.
mircea_popescu: much like whining to mommy works in the middle class "atomic family" not in the orphanage.
pete_dushenski: by that time there will also be a handful of accepted definitions of "online", none intersecting.
mircea_popescu: for instance -- the us army thinks itself online ; a ridiculous claim.
pete_dushenski: it's still getting a small and hopefully useful amount of traffic
pete_dushenski: i still check for my name in the logs a couple times a week so that's one. another is comment somewhere on contravex or e-mail.
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell pete_dushenski I forgot to ask... Did you want to rack a time standard of some sort with Pizarro? A lot are already 19in 1U rackmount. Can plug it into a rockchip.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 20:33 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, jurov collection expected to be fully eaten in 3-4 hrs. mircea_popescu , trinque , if you feel like switching on phuctor-deedbot-ticker prior to the 7mil keys being crunched, lemme know. ( if not , also say, then i'ma run it without waiting )
trinque: esthlos: ah neato. I need to get you into the RSS list.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 15:47 ben_vulpes: also esthlos what's with the linefeeds and extreeeeemely wide codeformatting?
esthlos: trinque: that would be cool
trinque tends to think tabs are ill-suited to lisp
trinque: the syntax looks like shit the moment two items at the same level in the AST don't line up
esthlos: very true. have you tried smart tabs?
trinque: baking in an emacsism is another unnecessary dep imho
trinque uses, and practically lives in emacs, yet holds this opinion.
esthlos: asciilifeform: afaik I haven't. what link are you using?
trinque: eventually, of course, thing needs to be a genesis vpatch
esthlos: ok, I can fix it in 2 min. sec
trinque: asciilifeform: already addressed in his thing there
trinque: anyhow esthlos most folks here (I assume) slam their lisp code through a formatter at each return, or similar
trinque has been using this aggressive-indent thing for a bit, does at each press
esthlos: asciilifeform: removed indents, try now
esthlos: I had a ton of lag with that thing, but was on crappy lappy I suppose
trinque uses whole computer with aggression
esthlos: I saw xah fellow here at some point
mircea_popescu: would have been so fucking sweet if we didn't have to say that about fucking emacs, and tex.
mircea_popescu: eh, ssd disks aren't that expensive. this doubles as an effective ssd tester bed.
mircea_popescu: and expensive or not, there's not yuet been nor will there ever be an isp without pile of ssds.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, stagger anyway, take some out 6 weeks in, whatever.
mircea_popescu: it's that paredit violates fundamental principle, that it encourages and enforces the work flow of manual formatting on every line. << ftr, i think he has an excellent point.
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810568 <-- hey asciilifeform, sorry for the late reply on this. what do you think about throwing an instance of my experimental rss bot in a separate chan (say, #phuctor) to spit however many new phuctorings? it's not fit for #t yet (deedbot self-voicing not yet ready) and not 100% stable yet, but it'd give me a chance to test it; and you to give me a kick in the rear if it doesn't work.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 17:52 asciilifeform: trinque: no particular reason to try to fix
spyked: could also add a (similarly: yet experimental) logger bot into the mix
spyked: and of course, thing can advertise rss via pm as well. but I'll only post public details about the bot as soon as I'm fairly confident that it won't shatter upon douchebag's first attempt to exploit it.
spyked: asciilifeform, ACK. I already have it running in a testbed chan, was wondering whether you'd like to have it in a specific place.
spyked: aha. my reply was strictly re the "place to follow phuctorings other than #t" subj. not sure whether this is needed. if ppl here find any value in something similar to #chainstate for phuctor, then I can do this pretty easily.
spyked: (with the caveat that the available infrastructure is still very much under test/wip)
mod6: Mornin' BingoBoingo. Feelin any better?
mod6: The humidity is nasty tho huh?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but it rained last night so quite a bit of the humidity is sitting on the ground waiting to reenter the air
BingoBoingo: On the plus side, I do get to write about the Jewish problem in Germany while sitting on a balcony in South America.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: In other news, US Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel (The turtle guy) tweeted out a shooped picture of himself with lots of cocaine to celebrate one of his boy's primary wins
deedbot: steel voiced for 30 minutes.
steel: Hi, what is Bitcoin to you?
steel: Is "Bitcoin" a movement? Who decides what is Bitcoin? I am having trouble understanding
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is the currency of the most serene republic, the world's only sovereign.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, Moduli Waiting for Test: 6976474 << still same figure, meaning it's still churning hasn't yet returned ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 11:50 asciilifeform: spyked: not yet. and definitely full hands, currently debugging a completely unexpected oom in phuctor-werker
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 16:14 BingoBoingo: On the plus side, I do get to write about the Jewish problem in Germany while sitting on a balcony in South America.
mircea_popescu: steel, but, to return the favour, who are you (not "to yourself", but to the world) ?
deedbot: steel voiced for 30 minutes.
steel: I'm a nobody trying to find my way
steel: I want to break free from shackles and be financially free
steel: But now, I dont know what Bitcoin is
steel: Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Segwit, Bitcoin Lite, unlimited Bitcoin X's
steel: Now I am forced to buy Segwits being sold as Bitcoin
steel: Everywhere to exchange my fiat paper to Bitcoin, is Segwit tainted
steel: everywhere as in, scammy exchanges
mircea_popescu: anyway. bitcoin is bitcoin. the various "i can't believe it's not bitcoin" scams the usg has been trying to push are just that, margerine ~nobody cares about (notwithstanding every nigger out there is trying to pretend like they're eating it an' lovin' it)
mircea_popescu: trinque, i suppose his (intuitive, unexamined) idea is that the item's reversible and will get reversed (as it is, and will) and doesn't know how it'd work in practice.
mircea_popescu: but if he reads the log as indicated, it's all discussed in therew.
steel: Will read logs. "will get reversed", I hope not
steel: The fact that it can.
mircea_popescu: this is an absolute certainty. the only part up in the air is when, but absolutely, everything the power rangers do will get reverted, as a matter of course.
steel: That would be bad for the real Bitcoin, no? Why wouldn't I wait to buy MUCH much more real Bitcoin after revert with same fiat paper
BingoBoingo: steel: The way weird brokenshit like segwit and other turds that live in addresses that start with 3 work is that real nodes see them as "spend to any"
BingoBoingo: Thusly segwit rollback does not mean rewinding blocks
BingoBoingo: It means the miners that had been enforcing rules beyond those real Bitcoin nodes care about simply stop enforcing the extra rules
BingoBoingo: As long as your coins sit in an address that starts with the number 1 and you control the keys your are safe
BingoBoingo: Related, some people take the difference between Llamas and Alpacas VERY seriously
hanbot: and that'll be mp-wp's first patch, eta this week.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the next item after setting Mocky up with python cgi on UY1 (dear lord, it never ends) will be to databize our customer list, ip assignations, rack assignations, subscriptions etc. i will then reproduce your calculator with actual numbers.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i guess next month i will make vpatch reports
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mk, will callout at top the changes in a bit.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in re production rockchip plant, is it feasible to, with some netboot magic, bring a rockchip up with a specific ssh key emplaced?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
mircea_popescu: or do you hope to somehow make a "more undeniable" hole than "this is specifically what we agreed you won't do" ?
mircea_popescu: but even if you got the entire pantsuit party, from everyone-involved-with-github to everyone-opining-on-the-internet to sign an agreement aforehand, they'll STILL deny after the fact.
mircea_popescu: electoral college is good for the empire / bad for the empire. same people, two weeks apart. what do you want ?
mircea_popescu: authority is the concern, not some sort of really tall tower of chairs of meaning.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im taking the bitches for a beach trip ; mind holding off till i'm back ?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 19:52 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in re production rockchip plant, is it feasible to, with some netboot magic, bring a rockchip up with a specific ssh key emplaced?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: i figured that something like this was the case and appreciate the followup
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: Sent just now: <asciilifeform> i oughta elaborate re
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-09#1811686 : neither rockchip ( nor any device in its price range, afaik ) has any mechanism for netbooting, that does not at the same time reside in something the previous user could have overwritten ( flash rom ). on top of this, rockchip has ~no~ onboard flash , nor can it boot from usb without a valid bootloader ~on sd~ . so a new tenant requires a refr
ben_vulpes: i imagine some kind of remotehands queue of "make rockchip with sshkey of XXX, upload which IP addr or other unique identifier got the key in question"
ben_vulpes: there'll be ~no way around asking each user for a gpg key i don't think
ben_vulpes: the freenode nick/handle constraint does grate.
ben_vulpes: i'm not necessarily loathe to give up the "dump pubkey and sshkey in hole, pay invoice, receive server deets at this url encrypted to your key" model, but i worry the irc demands are an unnecessary salting of friction
ben_vulpes: there is also the concern of every customer now gotta be rated, likely by me, which puts me in the nanotube position
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i've been thinking about a pizarro wot identity, yes
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: from experience, chat is a miserable way to manage support tickets.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: quit jumping to conclusions
ben_vulpes: i'm half of a mind to take offense at the implication i'd impose email on anybody in the republic
ben_vulpes: that i've not proposed a solution yet lol
ben_vulpes: but, and many details not designed at this rate since you press me, something along the lines of pizarro/$fp/ renders an encrypted account status including support tickets
ben_vulpes: ben_vulpes apparently utter sucker for webdrudgery
ben_vulpes: another approach is to challenge-response and hand over a session token
ben_vulpes: user decrypts, leaks, their problem. set a session key, broadcast data unencrypted, leak is pizarro's fault
ben_vulpes: can also generate unique account identifiers from fg, use that instead
ben_vulpes: but brittle solution, ~spinning blade near controls.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let us table it for a bit, i do not have a proposal baked and understand all of the things you've pointed out so far.
ben_vulpes: will save time if i bring a polished design instead of this adhoc bikeshedding.
ben_vulpes: plus, gotta do the customerdatabase first in anycase.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah, upstack, is what i want.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 21:11 asciilifeform: 109.41.3.220 - - [09/May/2018:17:11:33 -0400] "GET /phuctored HTTP/1.1" 200 9578812 "
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats" "Mozilla/4.0 (MSIE 6.0';DROP TABLE browsers;--\x22<u>{!=&})" "-"
BingoBoingo: And the professional opinion came in today. Keep taking the same antibiotic, same dose for 10 more days and if it isn't substantially better in a week chest X-ray. Also was recommended a different anti-mucus syrup.
☟︎ trinque: make sure you get your gut critters in order after dropping nukes on them
trinque: yogurt, probiotic, or something
BingoBoingo: been taking yogurt and blue cheese before my evening ice creams
☟︎ BingoBoingo: As as humid as it is here, I don't want mushrooms growing inside me. It's a river valley so everyone is assumed to be carrying histoplasmosis
BingoBoingo: In other local investigations: urology here consists of boner drugs of assorted dosages, quantities, and prices
http://archive.is/vfL5y while psych drugs consist of lithium, an antipsycotic, melatonin, and a bunch of herbal stuff (one of which is a rather active MAOI)
http://archive.is/36Okq a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 19:21 asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu ( or anybody else ) do you happen to have a script handy for mass submission of links to archive.is ?
lobbes: I'll bbl tonight. I gotta do some maintenance on archive process tonight so I can send em through then
douchebag: It's just what I've been working on - not complete yet
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've always assumed it's because dood can't copy/paste
douchebag: I didn't want to shit up the logs posting CVE's and their descriptions
ben_vulpes: douchebag: the image approach is impossibly frustrating; will not reflow across my screen
ben_vulpes: douchebag: there is always p.bvulpes.com
ben_vulpes: i think that'd be a fine thing with which to 'shit the logs up'
ben_vulpes: "hey dudes did you know that $whatever?"
ben_vulpes: douchebag: aaah now that's more like it
douchebag: like I said, not complete yet - but it is in progress
ben_vulpes: douchebag: now how would one go about determining if any of these mines were steppable-upon or stepped-upon in the context of trb?
ben_vulpes: native bluetooth stack i'm going to guess does not affect trb build
douchebag: Determining how the various vulnerable libraries pose an impact, and wether or not they could be leveraged by an attacker
ben_vulpes curious to see if the guy leaves off at 'osint' copypasta
ben_vulpes: take heart douchebag, determining how far to go above the bare minimum is a lifelong project :P sometimes 'not one iota' is a fine response.
douchebag: Yeah I know, like I said it's definitely not complete
mod6: ben_vulpes: re april report update, did we wanna alter the depreciation of UY2 to 0.03333333 ?
mod6: asciilifeform: I did bring back tb0t here. I think I just forgot to restart it after some planned downtime on my host. Anyway, if we wanted to use it for Pizarro, I'm open to that but it may need some alterations.
mod6: And we should probably discuss some details about how it should work, etc. (For instance, would L1 only be able enter tickets, or would all clients, or anyone?) That kinda thing.
mod6: mircea_popescu: cool stats post
mod6: douchebag: once you get through you're current pile of requested work, I think I have some pen testing for you to do on tb0t. We can arrange a time, later on. (That is, of course, if you want to.)