pete_dushenski: even though contravex doesn't pop up here anymore, i get a kick out of the fact that it's still mostly #t'ers and former #t'ers who comment there. i guess this place still is the ballsiest nook of the net no matter what.
BingoBoingo: Well, we will still be here when the kids are done raising you.
pete_dushenski: heh. my goal is to beat them in every sport until they're bar mitzvah'd, by which point they'll be little men and i should be well and retire-ready.
BingoBoingo almost done notating pictures
pete_dushenski: i could see all of #t in south america by that point too
BingoBoingo: Maybe by that point Africa?
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/08/la-ciudad-vieja-and-duelling-statues/ << Bingo Blog - La Ciudad Vieja And Duelling Statues
pete_dushenski: what's africa got that south america doesn't, other than aids ?
BingoBoingo: Biofuel!
pete_dushenski: possibru
mircea_popescu: speaking of pictures, hey asciilifeform ! where's your travelog!
pete_dushenski: couldn't find this in the logs (so apologies if it's a repost) but holy shit is usg.btc scraping the bottom of the barrel if fatso karpeles is being resurrected as "cto" of privateinternetaccess (vpn) http://archive.is/XusOQ
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski, ajhajhahah. epic.
pete_dushenski is still waiting for asciilifeform travelog of romania, and giveaway book list...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552627☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 14:19 mircea_popescu: and in other fucking nonsense, freenode has decided to redirect ALL inbound links to its most recent web page, to advertise to the world privateinternetaccess.com, ie the nsa front ; and their derpitude in support of "resurrecting tor". this of course includes all old manual pages and everything else.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: fatso even lost like 20 kilos in prison, so less-fatso now!
mircea_popescu: but did he know you can put mac and cheese on a pizza and it'd taste assewome!
pete_dushenski: lol he'll figure that out the day after he figures out that being "rich" means that you don't have to beg for jobs and "second chances"
mircea_popescu: anyway, even that cockpuppet keiser is back "opining" on prices and matters. because http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/ is 4 years ago so everyone magically forgot it.
pete_dushenski: so many experts, so little expertise
pete_dushenski: just finished reading "NYT #1" (aren't they all) book by yuval harari - homo deus - in which this ~historian~ goes on and on about ai taking ur jerbs, magick biotech pills that will turn us into supermen, and other technodystopianist nonsense. had dude shut up after first 2/3rds of the book and stuck with the history of human technological progress
pete_dushenski: , it would've been a winner. but no, he had had to usg.gavin all over the place and draw dumb straight lines into infinity.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-09#1811482 << should be interesting to see how all the computing, fabrication, rocketry, mining etc threads converge into actual geointerdicted republican-only zone.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 00:11 BingoBoingo: Maybe by that point Africa?
pete_dushenski: doesn't that defeat the advantage of decentralisation ? or are you thinking many such zones ?
mircea_popescu: by the time our automated batteries defend our own mining bots and nobody else can even be online unless they're doing what told, "decentralisation" per se is a rather meaningless concept.
mircea_popescu: decentralization is only meaningful in a structure which permits centrality.
mircea_popescu: much like whining to mommy works in the middle class "atomic family" not in the orphanage.
pete_dushenski: by that time there will also be a handful of accepted definitions of "online", none intersecting.
pete_dushenski: as there increasingly are even today, i suppose
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: for instance -- the us army thinks itself online ; a ridiculous claim.
pete_dushenski: lol right. they're online like fortnite is online
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-04#1792908 << fwiw i have no plans to take the bot directory down☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-04 05:42 lobbes: not sure if pete_dushenski is ever coming around again or what, so I went ahead and created a page for the tsmr bot directory: http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html
pete_dushenski: it's still getting a small and hopefully useful amount of traffic
mircea_popescu: so how do you update it ?
pete_dushenski: i still check for my name in the logs a couple times a week so that's one. another is comment somewhere on contravex or e-mail.
mircea_popescu: ah.
pete_dushenski: off for now, cheers #t!
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell pete_dushenski I forgot to ask... Did you want to rack a time standard of some sort with Pizarro? A lot are already 19in 1U rackmount. Can plug it into a rockchip.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in hats, https://78.media.tumblr.com/63f1e11701ec85e89e1fc96f6a664b21/tumblr_p7tpwgfPgV1rlma8ho2_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: aaaand the jurov keyz are in.
asciilifeform: nobody said anything re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-08#1811423 so i'ma fire it nao☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 20:33 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, jurov collection expected to be fully eaten in 3-4 hrs. mircea_popescu , trinque , if you feel like switching on phuctor-deedbot-ticker prior to the 7mil keys being crunched, lemme know. ( if not , also say, then i'ma run it without waiting )
asciilifeform: https://archive.li/PaTck << last snapshot prior to firing
esthlos: trinque mircea_popescu phf ben_vulpes mircea_popescu et al: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-version-2/
trinque: esthlos: ah neato. I need to get you into the RSS list.
esthlos: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-version-2/ << I'm using tabs as 4 spaces, and I see the code as <80 col. what's your set up?
esthlos: whoops i mean http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-08#1811142☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 15:47 ben_vulpes: also esthlos what's with the linefeeds and extreeeeemely wide codeformatting?
esthlos: trinque: that would be cool
trinque tends to think tabs are ill-suited to lisp
esthlos: trinque: why's that?
trinque: the syntax looks like shit the moment two items at the same level in the AST don't line up
asciilifeform: ^
esthlos: very true. have you tried smart tabs?
esthlos: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SmartTabs
trinque: baking in an emacsism is another unnecessary dep imho
trinque uses, and practically lives in emacs, yet holds this opinion.
asciilifeform: esthlos: is there a particular reason you stuffed it in a tgz, rather than to leave it web-readable ?
esthlos: asciilifeform: afaik I haven't. what link are you using?
asciilifeform: hm nm
asciilifeform: i hallucinated it
esthlos: huh
asciilifeform: was using shitbrowser that refused to display a .lisp
esthlos: mine does as well
asciilifeform: and ugh this is not readable
trinque: eventually, of course, thing needs to be a genesis vpatch
asciilifeform: massive islands of inexplicable whitespace mid-lines
esthlos: ok, I can fix it in 2 min. sec
asciilifeform: and from where came the dependency on cl-ppcre ?
trinque: asciilifeform: already addressed in his thing there
asciilifeform: aa hm
trinque: pretty well organized
asciilifeform: indeed
trinque: anyhow esthlos most folks here (I assume) slam their lisp code through a formatter at each return, or similar
trinque has been using this aggressive-indent thing for a bit, does at each press
esthlos: asciilifeform: removed indents, try now
esthlos: I had a ton of lag with that thing, but was on crappy lappy I suppose
asciilifeform: muchbetter, ty
asciilifeform: trinque: i also use slime with aggression, yes
asciilifeform: ( and not only for lisp )
asciilifeform: err, aggressive indent, in general
trinque uses whole computer with aggression
asciilifeform: lol
esthlos: lol
esthlos: http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/why_i_despise_paredit.html if you haven't seen
esthlos: I saw xah fellow here at some point
asciilifeform: esthlos: i wrote to him and he actually showed up. but didn't stick, apparently he prefers the sad loner life
mircea_popescu: would have been so fucking sweet if we didn't have to say that about fucking emacs, and tex.
asciilifeform: in other noose, phuctor-werker nao occupies 112G at peak.
mircea_popescu: what was that box, 256g ?
asciilifeform: roughly speaking, the data set can double in mass one more time, before asciilifeform has to ask for a mechanical disk to be fitted to dulap ( writing 256+GB/day will annihilate ssd in a coupla months ) and get used to much slower run
asciilifeform: 256
asciilifeform: and before anybody asks, no room for moar, nor are opteron boxes where moar fits, easily obtainable
mircea_popescu: eh, ssd disks aren't that expensive. this doubles as an effective ssd tester bed.
asciilifeform: getting them to the orbit is expensive.
asciilifeform: and they will fail in sync, whole raid at once, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: so change half mid-term.
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/a-vtron/ << esthlos - A Vtron
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/ << esthlos - Setting up mp-wp
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/a-brief-overview-of-eucrypts-mpi-library/ << esthlos - A Brief Overview of Eucrypt's MPI Library
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-version-2/ << esthlos - esthlos-v Version 2
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the plan. but gotta know what 'term' is.
mircea_popescu: and expensive or not, there's not yuet been nor will there ever be an isp without pile of ssds.
mircea_popescu: it's like doctor's office without latex gloves
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, stagger anyway, take some out 6 weeks in, whatever.
asciilifeform: right, i do this here.
asciilifeform: ( the box i'm sitting on just this minute, actually staggered over whole year )
mircea_popescu: it's that paredit violates fundamental principle, that it encourages and enforces the work flow of manual formatting on every line. << ftr, i think he has an excellent point.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810568 <-- hey asciilifeform, sorry for the late reply on this. what do you think about throwing an instance of my experimental rss bot in a separate chan (say, #phuctor) to spit however many new phuctorings? it's not fit for #t yet (deedbot self-voicing not yet ready) and not 100% stable yet, but it'd give me a chance to test it; and you to give me a kick in the rear if it doesn't work.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 17:52 asciilifeform: trinque: no particular reason to try to fix
spyked: could also add a (similarly: yet experimental) logger bot into the mix
spyked: and of course, thing can advertise rss via pm as well. but I'll only post public details about the bot as soon as I'm fairly confident that it won't shatter upon douchebag's first attempt to exploit it.
asciilifeform: spyked: it already arrives to me via pm from deedbot, see log. and deedbot misses ~20% of the output, and i suspect yours will also
asciilifeform: spyked: feel free to make a chan and test your bot, so long as i do not have to do anything
asciilifeform: ( my hands are very very full )
spyked: asciilifeform, ACK. I already have it running in a testbed chan, was wondering whether you'd like to have it in a specific place.
asciilifeform: spyked: not yet. and definitely full hands, currently debugging a completely unexpected oom in phuctor-werker
asciilifeform: ( as in, oom-while-free-mem-exists. i suspect fragging )
asciilifeform: spyked: i will also not that i want ~less~ fleanode backed into my systems, and not more.
asciilifeform: *baked
asciilifeform: spyked: plz feel free to put your bot in own chan and announce to folx tho, don't let me discourage
asciilifeform brb
spyked: aha. my reply was strictly re the "place to follow phuctorings other than #t" subj. not sure whether this is needed. if ppl here find any value in something similar to #chainstate for phuctor, then I can do this pretty easily.
spyked: (with the caveat that the available infrastructure is still very much under test/wip)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/ebola-is-back-again/ << Qntra - Ebola Is Back Again
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/as-us-opioid-fad-continues-constipation-med-overdoses-now-a-thing/ << Qntra - As US Opioid Fad Continues Constipation Med Overdoses Now A Thing
mod6: mornin TMSR~
BingoBoingo: Mornin' mod6
mod6: Mornin' BingoBoingo. Feelin any better?
BingoBoingo: Quite a bit
mod6: Ah, good to hear.
mod6: The humidity is nasty tho huh?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but it rained last night so quite a bit of the humidity is sitting on the ground waiting to reenter the air
mod6: Ugh.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/german-police-capture-89-year-old-wwii-surviving-politcal-dissident/ << Qntra - German Police Capture 89 Year Old WWII Surviving Politcal Dissident
BingoBoingo: On the plus side, I do get to write about the Jewish problem in Germany while sitting on a balcony in South America.
mod6: Heheh.
BingoBoingo: In other news, US Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel (The turtle guy) tweeted out a shooped picture of himself with lots of cocaine to celebrate one of his boy's primary wins
mircea_popescu: !!up steel
deedbot: steel voiced for 30 minutes.
steel: Hi, what is Bitcoin to you?
steel: Is "Bitcoin" a movement? Who decides what is Bitcoin? I am having trouble understanding
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is the currency of the most serene republic, the world's only sovereign.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, Moduli Waiting for Test: 6976474 << still same figure, meaning it's still churning hasn't yet returned ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to eat log
mircea_popescu: a kk eating.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-09#1811598 << o.O what happened, grew past 112g ? pretty interesting, actually.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 11:50 asciilifeform: spyked: not yet. and definitely full hands, currently debugging a completely unexpected oom in phuctor-werker
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-09#1811617 << bwahahaha there is some win in that.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 16:14 BingoBoingo: On the plus side, I do get to write about the Jewish problem in Germany while sitting on a balcony in South America.
mircea_popescu: steel, but, to return the favour, who are you (not "to yourself", but to the world) ?
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: !!up steel
deedbot: steel voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: go register a key so i don't have to keep upping you.
steel: I'm a nobody trying to find my way
steel: I want to break free from shackles and be financially free
steel: But now, I dont know what Bitcoin is
steel: Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Segwit, Bitcoin Lite, unlimited Bitcoin X's
steel: Will end badly
steel: Now I am forced to buy Segwits being sold as Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: no you're not lol.
steel: Everywhere to exchange my fiat paper to Bitcoin, is Segwit tainted
steel: everywhere as in, scammy exchanges
mircea_popescu: a) have you read http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/ ? not like it's the first time the pantsuit empire is trying to ruin sanity ; b) have you read http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=segwit ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. bitcoin is bitcoin. the various "i can't believe it's not bitcoin" scams the usg has been trying to push are just that, margerine ~nobody cares about (notwithstanding every nigger out there is trying to pretend like they're eating it an' lovin' it)
trinque: > buy segwits
mircea_popescu: trinque, i suppose his (intuitive, unexamined) idea is that the item's reversible and will get reversed (as it is, and will) and doesn't know how it'd work in practice.
mircea_popescu: but if he reads the log as indicated, it's all discussed in therew.
steel: Will read logs. "will get reversed", I hope not
steel: The fact that it can.
mircea_popescu: of course it will.
mircea_popescu: this is an absolute certainty. the only part up in the air is when, but absolutely, everything the power rangers do will get reverted, as a matter of course.
steel: That would be bad for the real Bitcoin, no? Why wouldn't I wait to buy MUCH much more real Bitcoin after revert with same fiat paper
BingoBoingo: steel: The way weird brokenshit like segwit and other turds that live in addresses that start with 3 work is that real nodes see them as "spend to any"
BingoBoingo: Thusly segwit rollback does not mean rewinding blocks
BingoBoingo: It means the miners that had been enforcing rules beyond those real Bitcoin nodes care about simply stop enforcing the extra rules
BingoBoingo: As long as your coins sit in an address that starts with the number 1 and you control the keys your are safe
BingoBoingo: Related, some people take the difference between Llamas and Alpacas VERY seriously
hanbot: esthlos : your blog's comments are borkt (commenter sees 'Error: please fill the required fields (name, email).' despite entering fields), see the "edit" here for the fix http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/
hanbot: and that'll be mp-wp's first patch, eta this week.
asciilifeform: holy FUQ the number of shithub users with garbage keyz
asciilifeform: ( 1st run is wrapping up, soon will fire the 2nd, with debianization probe )
asciilifeform: i can already picture the 'cosmic ray' denials
asciilifeform: at the end of this run, i will post whole shebang in the form of an article.
asciilifeform: ( with links to individual phuctor pgs )
asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu ( or anybody else ) do you happen to have a script handy for mass submission of links to archive.is ?
trinque: I wager lobbes does
asciilifeform: i'd like to snapshot the https://github.com/loser.keys links
asciilifeform: ( interestingly, for some of the lusers, their account is still live BUT above loads a null. )
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: sadly, i dun have such a thing on hand
asciilifeform: no large factors yet
asciilifeform: ( will be interesting to find out if luser whose shithub modulus is divisible by 3, can still log in... )
ben_vulpes: http://pizarroisp.net/index.php/2018/05/04/pizarro-statement-april-2018/ << updated
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: could i persuade you to keep an updated ver of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809743 ? or too hightech/ugly ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 00:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , mircea_popescu , et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piz_tab.html << corrections of central column or other init params, welcome
asciilifeform: the other thing, ben_vulpes : ~where~ updated ? it is terrible form to make people do 'eyeball diff' with old copy ( supposing they have one handy )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the next item after setting Mocky up with python cgi on UY1 (dear lord, it never ends) will be to databize our customer list, ip assignations, rack assignations, subscriptions etc. i will then reproduce your calculator with actual numbers.
asciilifeform: neato, ty ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i guess next month i will make vpatch reports
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: for now it'd suffice imho to say, approx what was updated
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, awesome, article!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mk, will callout at top the changes in a bit.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in re production rockchip plant, is it feasible to, with some netboot magic, bring a rockchip up with a specific ssh key emplaced?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm taking ideas re pills against 'these were never keyz, you pulled them out of arse'
mircea_popescu: eh, who the fuck cares what boecks boeck.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/my-verbiage-on-trilema/ << Trilema - My verbiage on #trilema
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: currently re-customering a rockchip requires pulling the usbstick and sd and reimaging
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: on top of this it'd be quite simple to emplace given, on cmdline, sshkey -- simple mount-and-copy
ben_vulpes: mk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to make some sort of non-debiable/unhealable hole in the boeck bubble, and it almost seems possible in this case
asciilifeform: *non-deniable
mircea_popescu: it'll be denied. and the denial will "stick" in the sense luke skywalker really has a "laser sword", for as long as you stay in battlestar galactica universe or w/e the scientology fanfic was. because, for better or worse, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
mircea_popescu: need i remind you of, say, http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/#selection-77.0-77.246 ie "Plaintiff seeks to make his case solely upon the theory that, by reason of the change in the weight of the dollar he is entitled to $1.69 in the present currency for every dollar promised by the bond, regardless of any actual loss he has suffered" ?
mircea_popescu: or do you hope to somehow make a "more undeniable" hole than "this is specifically what we agreed you won't do" ?
asciilifeform: well there's more- and less- deniable dents. i dun recall louis xvi walking around and pretending his head were still attached..
asciilifeform: incidentally, douchebag still around ??
asciilifeform: hey douchebag ! we're about to post buncha ssh privkeys. some, connected to -- nominally live -- shithubs.
mircea_popescu: but even if you got the entire pantsuit party, from everyone-involved-with-github to everyone-opining-on-the-internet to sign an agreement aforehand, they'll STILL deny after the fact.
mircea_popescu: electoral college is good for the empire / bad for the empire. same people, two weeks apart. what do you want ?
mircea_popescu: authority is the concern, not some sort of really tall tower of chairs of meaning.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think i grasp the idea, they'll be denying even as the 'shower' door slams and the zyklon hisses
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im taking the bitches for a beach trip ; mind holding off till i'm back ?
mircea_popescu: should be < 8 hours.
asciilifeform: oh i'ma hold off for whole day, still waiting for debianism output
asciilifeform: and no moar ramdisk, so it's 5x+ slower than typical
mircea_popescu: alright then.
asciilifeform: ( will detail the ram sadness later )
asciilifeform: enjoy the beach, mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: !Q later tell jurov plz tell me how you obtained the KEYID in the 'phathub' collection; and more generally how the scan was made...
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ben_vulpes i oughta elaborate re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-09#1811686 : neither rockchip ( nor any device in its price range, afaik ) has any mechanism for netbooting, that does not at the same time reside in something the previous user could have overwritten ( flash rom ). on top of this, rockchip has ~no~ onboard flash , nor can it boot from usb without a valid bootloader ~on sd~ . so a new tenant requires a refr☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 19:52 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in re production rockchip plant, is it feasible to, with some netboot magic, bring a rockchip up with a specific ssh key emplaced?
asciilifeform: esh of both sd and usb drives.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: i figured that something like this was the case and appreciate the followup
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: Sent just now: <asciilifeform> i oughta elaborate re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-09#1811686 : neither rockchip ( nor any device in its price range, afaik ) has any mechanism for netbooting, that does not at the same time reside in something the previous user could have overwritten ( flash rom ). on top of this, rockchip has ~no~ onboard flash , nor can it boot from usb without a valid bootloader ~on sd~ . so a new tenant requires a refr
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nao the problem ~could~ be finessed with custom hardware. but not with something that can be built quickly.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not worthwhile imho
asciilifeform: ( you would have to, more or less, bake a rockchip board from 0 )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the peanut gallery:
asciilifeform: - - [09/May/2018:17:11:33 -0400] "GET /phuctored HTTP/1.1" 200 9578812 "http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats" "Mozilla/4.0 (MSIE 6.0';DROP TABLE browsers;--\x22<u>{!=&})" "-"
ben_vulpes: i imagine some kind of remotehands queue of "make rockchip with sshkey of XXX, upload which IP addr or other unique identifier got the key in question"
ben_vulpes: there'll be ~no way around asking each user for a gpg key i don't think
trinque: table... browsers!?
asciilifeform: trinque: i've nfi !
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: prospective pizarro user gets into wot. so there's the key.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mhm mhm
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you think this is optional ?
ben_vulpes: the freenode nick/handle constraint does grate.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'
asciilifeform: how , for instance, would you propose to match up who paid with their box ? send creds ? ( what, via plaintext shitmail ?? )
asciilifeform: it does not make any sense to attempt to do business with folx who won't pgp
ben_vulpes: i'm not necessarily loathe to give up the "dump pubkey and sshkey in hole, pay invoice, receive server deets at this url encrypted to your key" model, but i worry the irc demands are an unnecessary salting of friction
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if $luser won't irc, how is he to access pizarro for support/maintenance/payment q's ?
ben_vulpes: there is also the concern of every customer now gotta be rated, likely by me, which puts me in the nanotube position
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: make dedicated key and rate it.
ben_vulpes: i've been thinking about a pizarro wot identity, yes
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: from experience, chat is a miserable way to manage support tickets.
asciilifeform: well it wouldn't be a pizarro wot identity ( multi-owner privkeys are problematic ) but rather a ' ben_vulpes-pizarro '
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i sure as fuck won't sift through GB of spam to read strangermail
asciilifeform: in a shitmail box
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: quit jumping to conclusions
asciilifeform: if you have a pill to make email 1992-style usable again... i'll be quite impressed
ben_vulpes: i'm half of a mind to take offense at the implication i'd impose email on anybody in the republic
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what am i missing
ben_vulpes: that i've not proposed a solution yet lol
asciilifeform: lolk
ben_vulpes: but, and many details not designed at this rate since you press me, something along the lines of pizarro/$fp/ renders an encrypted account status including support tickets
asciilifeform: would work
ben_vulpes: ben_vulpes apparently utter sucker for webdrudgery
asciilifeform: hey this is more or less exactly how asciilifeform implemented the snsa wwwshop
ben_vulpes: yes well steal from the best
asciilifeform: ( i lifted the idea from mircea_popescu )
ben_vulpes: another approach is to challenge-response and hand over a session token
ben_vulpes: but this sucks for obvious reasons
ben_vulpes: leaks account data
asciilifeform: pizarro/$fp leaks just the same, neh?
asciilifeform: ( if you have a set of $fp values, you can enumerate which have acct at pizarro )
asciilifeform: and ditto if you have a rsa key, and a set of captured outputs of www....pizarro/$fp/ , you can match'em up
ben_vulpes: user decrypts, leaks, their problem. set a session key, broadcast data unencrypted, leak is pizarro's fault
ben_vulpes: can also generate unique account identifiers from fg, use that instead
ben_vulpes: "dun fuckin lose this!"
ben_vulpes: but brittle solution, ~spinning blade near controls.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let us table it for a bit, i do not have a proposal baked and understand all of the things you've pointed out so far.
ben_vulpes: will save time if i bring a polished design instead of this adhoc bikeshedding.
ben_vulpes: plus, gotta do the customerdatabase first in anycase.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in the abstract, it'd be pretty great to have mechanisms that work with and without fleanode
asciilifeform: but yes i'ma let this alone for nao
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah, upstack, is what i want.
asciilifeform bbl,meat
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-09#1811726 << Should I get a sleeping bag and sleep in the datacenter hall tonight?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 21:11 asciilifeform: - - [09/May/2018:17:11:33 -0400] "GET /phuctored HTTP/1.1" 200 9578812 "http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats" "Mozilla/4.0 (MSIE 6.0';DROP TABLE browsers;--\x22<u>{!=&})" "-"
BingoBoingo: The dry air might actually be a positive
asciilifeform: lolwhy
BingoBoingo: My lungs are so very wet.
BingoBoingo: And the professional opinion came in today. Keep taking the same antibiotic, same dose for 10 more days and if it isn't substantially better in a week chest X-ray. Also was recommended a different anti-mucus syrup.
trinque: make sure you get your gut critters in order after dropping nukes on them
trinque: yogurt, probiotic, or something
BingoBoingo: been taking yogurt and blue cheese before my evening ice creams
trinque: ah cool
BingoBoingo: Yogurt is a big thing here
BingoBoingo: As as humid as it is here, I don't want mushrooms growing inside me. It's a river valley so everyone is assumed to be carrying histoplasmosis
BingoBoingo: In other local investigations: urology here consists of boner drugs of assorted dosages, quantities, and prices http://archive.is/vfL5y while psych drugs consist of lithium, an antipsycotic, melatonin, and a bunch of herbal stuff (one of which is a rather active MAOI) http://archive.is/36Okq
lobbes: If you give me the list of URLs I'll feed 'em through the meatgrinder >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-09#1811668☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 19:21 asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu ( or anybody else ) do you happen to have a script handy for mass submission of links to archive.is ?
lobbes: I'll bbl tonight. I gotta do some maintenance on archive process tonight so I can send em through then
ben_vulpes: which one is the maoi, BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: The "Vitango" with rhodiala
BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/KgtD9 << It is also far cheaper here to get protein from beef tenderloin than powdered dairy biproducts
asciilifeform: Estabilizador del humor << lol!
asciilifeform: ( from BingoBoingo's link, 'eskalit' )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's just lithium salt
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in vintage chix, https://www.sovsekretno.ru/public/userfiles/images/2006/03/15/060301173725b.jpg
BingoBoingo: Is that carnaval?
asciilifeform: butyrka
BingoBoingo: Ah
douchebag: https://i.imgur.com/MFOCARO.png
asciilifeform: douchebag: is there a reason this is a pic ?
douchebag: It's just what I've been working on - not complete yet
asciilifeform: yes but why screenshit
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've always assumed it's because dood can't copy/paste
douchebag: I didn't want to shit up the logs posting CVE's and their descriptions
ben_vulpes: douchebag: the image approach is impossibly frustrating; will not reflow across my screen
ben_vulpes: douchebag: there is always p.bvulpes.com
asciilifeform: douchebag: p.bvulpes.com
ben_vulpes: i think that'd be a fine thing with which to 'shit the logs up'
douchebag: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LeUbS/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: "hey dudes did you know that $whatever?"
ben_vulpes: douchebag: aaah now that's more like it
asciilifeform: douchebag: much better.
douchebag: like I said, not complete yet - but it is in progress
ben_vulpes: douchebag: now how would one go about determining if any of these mines were steppable-upon or stepped-upon in the context of trb?
ben_vulpes: native bluetooth stack i'm going to guess does not affect trb build
douchebag: Determining how the various vulnerable libraries pose an impact, and wether or not they could be leveraged by an attacker
douchebag: So essentially a full code audit
ben_vulpes curious to see if the guy leaves off at 'osint' copypasta
ben_vulpes: take heart douchebag, determining how far to go above the bare minimum is a lifelong project :P sometimes 'not one iota' is a fine response.
douchebag: Yeah I know, like I said it's definitely not complete
ben_vulpes: looking forward to it
mod6: ben_vulpes: re april report update, did we wanna alter the depreciation of UY2 to 0.03333333 ?
ben_vulpes: dammit
ben_vulpes: yes i do
mod6: lol, ok. cheers
ben_vulpes: thank you mod6
mod6: anytime
mod6: asciilifeform: I did bring back tb0t here. I think I just forgot to restart it after some planned downtime on my host. Anyway, if we wanted to use it for Pizarro, I'm open to that but it may need some alterations.
mod6: And we should probably discuss some details about how it should work, etc. (For instance, would L1 only be able enter tickets, or would all clients, or anyone?) That kinda thing.
mod6: mircea_popescu: cool stats post
mod6: douchebag: once you get through you're current pile of requested work, I think I have some pen testing for you to do on tb0t. We can arrange a time, later on. (That is, of course, if you want to.)