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a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 20:59 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece about how troobelievers in 'rule of law' will set themselves up into ridiculously doomed situations, where they fixate on some technicality, like changing their names to punctuation marks or somesuch, that Will Surely Crash The System
asciilifeform: what i can't wrap my head around is why nobody's mass-produced a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871212 and put an end to the whole 'digital evidence' 'rule of law' pretense circus ☝︎
asciilifeform: and, for the gold crown, 'Snowden’s Critical Fuckin’ Flaw... Back in the good old days of 2015, Shami Chakrabarti wrote an opinion piece for The Guardian, stating that Edward Snowden "is a hero." She claimed that saying so didn’t make her an apologist for terror; it made her a firm believer in democracy and the rule of law. Many saw and still see it this way... Johannes thinks a fatal misconception is going on, and that we have
mircea_popescu: by this strike of genius, you can now be left with the impression that you're in business, selling things. to yourself -- which is the fucking point, all the imperial scams work by your selling things to yourself, from facebook to "rule of law".
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 15:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was also that hellvig lawsuit (which afaik went exactly the same place all other "rule of law" challenges to notes-from-stalin ever went)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was also that hellvig lawsuit (which afaik went exactly the same place all other "rule of law" challenges to notes-from-stalin ever went) ☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece about how troobelievers in 'rule of law' will set themselves up into ridiculously doomed situations, where they fixate on some technicality, like changing their names to punctuation marks or somesuch, that Will Surely Crash The System ☟︎
asciilifeform: all 'rule-of-law'-ism eventually converges to maritimetaxcode.
mircea_popescu: kinda the blue state blueprint, in general. first subvert justice system then lie about rule of law then so following.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : usg focused on infiltrating and corrupting ro justice system first ; as a result in 1999 they came up with a "rehabilitation" supreme court decision. ro govt refused to recognize it, which resulted in a lot of usg agitprop material as to how "romania not yet rule of law".
a111: Logged on 2014-08-28 02:09 asciilifeform: the book is quite like the 'rule of law is a myth' piece (http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm - linked here a few times) except that katz hasn't let go of his religion yet
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693329 << typical "rule of law" for soviet / banana republics. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 04:40 asciilifeform: the 'rule of law' racket is exactly about pro forma ban tho.
asciilifeform: the 'rule of law' racket is exactly about pro forma ban tho. ☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally i always wondered if the 'rule of law' derps simply take whatever comes out of 'lexis' as authentic precedent
mircea_popescu: "rule of law" : if govt owes then http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/ ; if individual owes then he's a criminal for having had sometging in the first place!
asciilifeform: it's what 'rule of law' gargle is made of.
asciilifeform: it boggles my mind that none of these folx ( at least afaik ) ever grasped that 'nonviolence', 'rule of law', 'parliamentarianism' were tentacles of the enemy, rather than a victory
a111: Logged on 2017-05-20 19:16 mircea_popescu: Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct".
scriba: Logged on 2017-05-20: [19:16:12] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct".
mircea_popescu: Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's very symbolically imperial, also. the language of "rights" and "rule of law" makes it trival to start a "war on drugs" or "women against rape". then the state ends and everyone is at a loss why the fuck it did.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-09 16:05 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/KJpLN >> 'Will Trump’s Rule of Law Be Our Rule of Law? The fate of the entire legal apparatus of government is in the balance.' << ooohnoez!111111
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/KJpLN >> 'Will Trump’s Rule of Law Be Our Rule of Law? The fate of the entire legal apparatus of government is in the balance.' << ooohnoez!111111 ☟︎
asciilifeform: and this 'not known' is a mighty selective thing, like the rest of the 'rule of law' crock of shit. e.g., why not close ALL unsolved murders, by positing that martians nailed them via telekinesis.
a111: 62 results for "rule of law", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rule%20of%20law
asciilifeform: $s rule of law
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516321 << talmudism. they 'just want to' arbitrarily do whatever, to whomever, like orcs, and the window dressing of 'rule of law' is annoying, more importantly - too expensive to afford nowadays ☝︎
asciilifeform: because you want to maintain the pretense of 'rule of law' ?
asciilifeform: (re 'rule of law' etc.)
mircea_popescu: ah, but i don';t mean it re germany specifically. could have said france or italy just as well. what i mean is, that a "rule of law" bureaucratic government with an economic presence is strictly speaking the nazi party irrespective of any consideration, chief on the list what they say or think they want. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if 'rule of law' were an actual thing, aha
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the lawsuit crackpot linked earlier was, imho, pure gold. he was genuinely convinced that rule-of-law was a thing! and kept picking, picking at the cracks in it, utterly mystified that every single judge 'lost' his papers, etc
asciilifeform: this is a 'rule of law' crackpot!
mircea_popescu: hahaha. and if "america" whatever that is would no longer be a populace opressed by "the rule of law", everyone'd be very happy and could put down their weapons.
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 17:15:59; punkman: "The simple message Mr. Bundy and his band must hear is this: If everyone with a gripe against the government responded by threatening federal officials with weapons, America would no longer be a nation governed by the rule of law. Their grievances, like everyone else’s, can be addressed. But not before they put down the guns."
punkman: "The simple message Mr. Bundy and his band must hear is this: If everyone with a gripe against the government responded by threatening federal officials with weapons, America would no longer be a nation governed by the rule of law. Their grievances, like everyone else’s, can be addressed. But not before they put down the guns." ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 02:04:44; asciilifeform: the scam is not in hitler's ability to 'cut off your lips if he doesn't like your face' but in the ~pretense~ at this strange 'rule of law' fiction
ascii_field: ion about research it has performed,” the statement reads. “The university abides by the rule of law, complies with lawfully issued subpoenas and receives no funding for its compliance.”'
asciilifeform: the scam is not in hitler's ability to 'cut off your lips if he doesn't like your face' but in the ~pretense~ at this strange 'rule of law' fiction ☟︎
asciilifeform: just not a point that 'rule of law' folks like to think about, at least publicly
ascii_field: 'rule of law' is for plebes
mircea_popescu: then we can't have rule of law, can we.
asciilifeform: i see the proceedings of that court as similar to those of all modern courts: a continuation of the basic lie of 'rule of law', where 'it is not the sultan who condemns you to impalement, but the majesty of the law'
assbot: 48 results for 'rule of law' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rule+of+law
asciilifeform: !s rule of law
mircea_popescu: none of this "people agree, rule of law, bla bla" nonsense any more.
decimation: ^ apparently in some places 'rule of law' kinda applies to cops
mircea_popescu: but broadly, "if the rule of law didn't suck, or if it did and nobody'd bother showing it - what then ?"
asciilifeform: fella was brilliant, and devoted entire trial to making 'rule of law' look as ridiculous as it is
mircea_popescu: me persuading people to betray uncle sam = corruption!111 ; congress coming up with fatca to FORCE people into betraying their own customers = rule of law
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: rule of law is a statal fiction, news-at-eleven.
mircea_popescu: which is what rule of law is all about.
mircea_popescu: because rule of law jurov.
chetty: well given that the rule of law is no more, no reason not to have a little 'fun'
mircea_popescu: rule of law is a process after all.
mircea_popescu: (either side's claim as to the criminality of the other being unresolvable, since no rule of law, since "secret proceedings")
trinque: dunno that there ever was a time where rule of law did matter here; I'm neither old enough nor educated enough to say
trinque: in my lifetime the perception that rule of law is either real or honest seems to have been fading
mircea_popescu: then again, pirates invented the "honor among thieves" thing which is what we're fundamentally continuating here. "how could there be rule of law otuside of usg ?!?!" "same way there was rule of law in the fucking bahamas"
asciilifeform: are you discussing rule of law or rule of thugs << thugs
mircea_popescu: Adlai are you discussing rule of law or rule of thugs ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google eben moglen rule of law
asciilifeform: (see eben moglen re: rule of law)
assbot: 31 results for 'rule of law' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rule+of+law
ascii_field: !s rule of law
ascii_field: 'rule of law' is fundamentally a scam
mircea_popescu: 1. The Law of Imperfect Selection: Any objective rule that defines eligibility for a social transfer program will irrationally exclude some persons.
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: consider this a request for a qntra article entitled "the promised land" with exit points: Russia, Israel, Argentina & China weighing the relative tradeoffs of each with the angle that the US is going to fail. things I'm interested in knowing about each territory: character of the rule of law, taxes, status of the tech scene, character of the gov., description of major cities, # of nuclear reactors and thei
mats: there's only one rule of law, and its wielded at the point of a weapon
undata: without rule of law no one can settle down and get some goddamn work done
undata: sound money, rule of law, and I think we'd get to a place where most people can at least find food
asciilifeform: we don't actually have rule of law in usa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not rule of law. but plenty of upstanding individuals regardless. enough so to readily be leveraged into serious trouble for bureaucratic miscreants
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still think 'rule of law' thing is still a thing in usa? seriously?
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, an excellent example of why so called "strict liability" and the rule of law can not coexist.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prime soviet rib << the whole 'canary' thing is just the last remnants of 'rule of law' going down the drain, gurgling - like the fabled 'last shit made with home food' of a prisoner
asciilifeform: the book is quite like the 'rule of law is a myth' piece (http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm - linked here a few times) except that katz hasn't let go of his religion yet ☟︎
justusranvier: It is the role of that court to present the peasants with the illusion of fair play and the rule of law so they don't revolt. They aren't doing a very good job.
decimation: so you often complain about the 'rule of law not men'
asciilifeform: fluffypony: setup mining operations in the US... rent it to someone outside << lol, you think 'rule of law' is a thing in the usa
asciilifeform: having been on a u.s. jury, i'll say that it ought to be enough to cure anyone of 'rule of law' delusion.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's all part of the 'rule of law' bullshit, where they get to decide that certain things never happened
ThickAsThieves: "Edmund Moy, the former director of the U.S. Mint who’s become an outspoken proponent of digital currencies, saw a mix of good and bad as well, but ultimately he made two cogent points: first, that this is is a rule, not a law, and there’s a difference, and, two, that it can be changed as circumstances warrant."
xdotcomm_: the army; this event is also called by soldiers "dembel" or "DMB" (Russian: ДМБ)) half-year of conscription, with the suffix -shchina which designates a type of order, rule, or regime (compare Yezhovshchina, Zhdanovshchina). Thus it can literally be translated as "rule of the grandfathers." This is essentially a folk system of seniority based on stage of service, mostly not backed by code or law, which
mircea_popescu: here are the companies the government supports, here are the people it doesn't support, "rule of law" stuff.
cerelenius: its difficult to take balances in america because america tends to have stronger rule of law then most of europe
mircea_popescu: " I prefer a society based in the rule of law to groups of eager people with bright ideas who ignore everything that has gone before them." << we now have the definition of the old fart.
mod6: when laws are arbitrarily enforced, there is no rule of law.
dub: 'rule of law' is a libertard dream
jurov: pffft not even libertarian ideals.. rule of law.
mircea_popescu: This seems an opportune time to add, for the benefit of readers who weren't around in the 1980's, that the law pertaining to in rem forfeitures developed in the context of narcotics seizures. Prior to that, the legal maxim, the law abhors a forfeiture, was the rule, and judges were generally antagonistic to forfeiture proceedings.
Diablo-D3: and the american people are now saying we must have a rule of law and EVERYONE must be under it
Diablo-D3: there is no rule of law
mircea_popescu: nope. it's the government fighting the rule of law.
dub: interestingly, friedcat has deleted the bit where he says 'obviously as everyone knows there is no rule of law in china'
mircea_popescu: ya, totally. the us is in a position to discuss anyone's commitment to the rule of law.
ThickAsThieves: "if Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law."
jurov_: to the wannabe Rule Of Law irl?
mircea_popescu: well, you keep insisting on discussing places which have no rule of law.