jurov: maybe someone will teach you to use therealbitcoin in exchange for cam sessions or such
danielpbarron: you should get into Eulora. that's a great easy way to hold btc
jurov: i would if you were a boy model :)
mircea_popescu: every girl expands until she can pimp guys to guys and read mail.
jurov: indiancandy: but really, if you want buy bitcoins for UK pounds, we can do it. and holding some bitcoin equivalent on eulora account is easy
jurov: eulora is online game with real currency
mircea_popescu: davout knows, he poured a wine bottle on my head there for some reason.
danielpbarron: indiancandy, eulora is a program you can run on windows and effectively use as a bitcoin wallet, without having to mess around with the block chain directly
mircea_popescu: i dunno, coupla years ago, i've not mentioned it since so he prolly imagined it's all forgotten!!1
ben_vulpes: waiwut i don't remember this wine event
deedbot: indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes.
jurov: where the manuls are
mircea_popescu: hey, it supports 5% of gpd growth from imaginary 7bn to imaginary 7.35bn
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> waiwut i don't remember this wine event << great steaks at this place. Mr. P. had to leave and change his suit.
mod6: Got to talk with chetty a good long while this evening too.
mod6: This was also the first time we discussed your ideas around mem fragmentation.
mod6: Or at least, iirc we talked about it for a bit.
mod6: Ah, right. Yeah, I forget what his thought was there.
mod6: yeah, same. maybe he'll be back when he has a bit more time.
BingoBoingo hopes we never lose asciilifeform to child rearing
davout: mircea_popescu: i didn't "pour a bottle on your head", i accidentally'd a wine ~glass~, at least that's what i remember!
mod6: yeah, your hand got away from you and knocked over a glass, which promptly went into Mr. P.'s lap.
davout: not like i got on my chair, and slowly poured the whole contents of the wine bottle on mircea_popescu's head while everyone was watching in horror :D
davout: asciilifeform: does the CLHS exist as a single-page HTML doc ?
davout: it's annoying to have to click back and forth, i'd like to be able to simply scroll through it, like a normal person
☟︎ davout: Framedragger: nice find
Framedragger: hahaha little albert experiment meets david lynch
mircea_popescu: Framedragger lol there you do deanonimizing trilema readership :D
a111: Logged on 2017-01-12 10:08 davout: it's annoying to have to click back and forth, i'd like to be able to simply scroll through it, like a normal person
trinque has a left-alt (which is rebound to hyper) + d binding that pops up docs for w/e language
davout: trinque: no, i just want to read the thing, not necessarily in the context of needing info about some particular bit
davout: after reading #chainstate my conclusion is that mircea_popescu would enjoy ruby very much!
davout: string manipulation just seemed very painful
mircea_popescu: well, a large part of the problem is that strings aren't something.
davout: the point is simply that it bundles a good bit of convenience
davout: which may or may not be a good thing depending on the particular point of view
davout: either way, the repl looks pretty nifty
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 15:10 mircea_popescu: this is how a mother acts, and why kids have not much business with her past the age of about 10 or so, depending how retarded they are.
davout: what distinguishes correct from incorrect convenience ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i quite enjoyed flailing for definitions once i realised what the problem was (you can tell i move to arrays at some point in a desperate bid etc)
mircea_popescu: davout something (convenience, anything else) is correct if it scales, which is to say is derived from the prime mover. anything else - incorrect.
mircea_popescu: sinful is also a proper attribute of incorrectness, because it is literally a headless spawn of the very devil.
davout: not sure i really get what you mean by "it scales"
davout: if you bundle lots of shit, it quickly becomes unmanageable
davout: because all abstractions and conveniences have a cost
mircea_popescu: not so. i can go from everything i do in an infinite string of correct whys to prime logic. broken shit can't do that.
davout: what's "prime mover" in this context?
mircea_popescu: possibly your idea of "scales" is tainted by the idiots, "to scale means to be used by a larger cattle headcount". that has nothing to do. to scale means to go up the abstraction tree. an apple is a correct apple if it scales, ie, if the concept of apple follows from it.
mircea_popescu: literally the aristotelian imperative. the first thing to have moved.
davout: it's still not very clear to me how the ability to manipulate string a bit more easily is equivalent to heresy
davout: would the same functionality, included in cl's standard be deemed heretic?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24 trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) -> True yet any([]) -> False
mircea_popescu: all you need is a false implication somewhere, davout ; ANYWHERE. once you have it then everything becomes provable.
davout: strings defined as byte vectors is pretty unambiguous
mircea_popescu: see the whole point of "string" as a concept (and from it, as a type) is based on a fundamental ambiguity. now it's this, now it's that.
davout: mircea_popescu: i'm afraid i don't see that particular ambiguity
mircea_popescu: this is something you can remember only if you already groked it.
davout: mircea_popescu: #chainstate ref plox?
Framedragger: inb4 cross-channel reference and search system!!
mircea_popescu: if you look through the log it's pretty evident alf understands exactly what the problem is, in spite of his deeply boneheaded, inept self-expression. which sadly makes it evident only retrospectively.
mircea_popescu: then again how to speak truth to clueless is a quite open problem in the first place.
mircea_popescu: but that's why he speaks of socialism and getting for free and etc.
davout: asciilifeform: the reason some of the string primitives aren't included, e.g. "substring" is that they're O(n)? In other words, that the convenience comes at the cost of incentivizing operator idiocy?
mircea_popescu: vice-versa : they have to cost that, because they're stuck papering over the fact that the operator has no idea what he wants.
mircea_popescu: the computer doesn't in the slightest mind running in a for loop from now until the heat-end of history. however, it would humbly request you actually write its death sentence deliberately rather than by uncomprehended accidenty.
mircea_popescu: which is altogether not an unreasonable bar for all slavery.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me all this nonsense now makes sense to you ?
davout: i see your point mucho better
davout: not sure what asciilifeform means in his last comment
davout: mircea_popescu: i see the point in general, but i'm not sure i'd take it as far as considering some additional string primitives as being evil
a111: Logged on 2017-01-12 14:09 asciilifeform: they create 'secret talmud' of workable ops, that are not visually distinct from intractable ones
mircea_popescu: well, entirely depends on your definition of evil, but the point remains they're not helping you, they're just smothering you.
mircea_popescu: aka "you can get some version of what you possibly wanted done very easy at the cost of understanding what you actually wanted or what the hell's the differece."
mircea_popescu: cue ballas with his "there's a difference between what you need and what you want, and the media will relentlessly give you strings"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's very symbolically imperial, also. the language of "rights" and "rule of law" makes it trival to start a "war on drugs" or "women against rape". then the state ends and everyone is at a loss why the fuck it did.
davout: mircea_popescu: yea, i guess the question is where you stop. at which point do you decide that you're going to buy these apples instead of growing them, because ultimately you want an apple pie
mircea_popescu: davout no, not really, because i buy ~apples~. your question would be "at which point you stop buying canned frozen fruit tm for your apple pie". anyone may give his own answer, but in my case it's long, long ago.
mircea_popescu: and yes i plant my own lovage, in buenos aires, because the plant doesn't exist and "soup condiment mix" doesn't satisfy.
mircea_popescu: fwiw i wasn't terribly impressed with that particular statement.
mircea_popescu: i now have to start writing an article IN THE MIDDLE OF WRITING AN ARTICLE. damn you all!
pete_dushenski: "For the recent abnormal operation of Bitcoin trading platform, on January 6 the People's Bank of China Business Management Department, the Beijing Municipal Bureau of Financial Affairs jointly met with the relevant regulatory authorities of the "currency network", "currency" and other major currency trading platform responsible person, Understand the operation of the platform, suggesting that the possible
pete_dushenski: legal risks, policy risks and technical risks, requiring their business conduct must be in compliance with relevant laws and regulations and strictly carry out self-examination and related rectification.
pete_dushenski: from related msm piece, “We’ve been meeting with them regularly over the last two to three years. The only difference is that they talked about it this time,” Bobby Lee, chief executive of BTC China, the world’s largest exchange by trading volume over the past month, told the Financial Times. “I think their intent is to remind the world, ‘The PBoC is on top of this. Don’t let the price go
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: blockchain dot com, ofc
ben_vulpes: no i kid, it's the time at which the node shits ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
ben_vulpes: there is some lag between when it learns about a block and when it reports it to irc, as it dumps and parses blocks, but it reports the logged timestamp accurately to the best of my knowledge.
trinque: holy shit, I just considered making a joke that they should have seeds in them.
trinque: incidentally mats, catch any of the mattis confirmation hearing? sounded to be about 50% "but what about the womens and gays?!" before I turned it off.
trinque welcomes the lulz of the transgendered, seed shooting us.mil of the 21st century
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ah, yeah. less than useful i suppose then if it's mostly an indicator of node state.
ben_vulpes: for what it's worth, when i spot check it against other "block explorers" it's seen blocks before them.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in my own mind it's about as strong re this as otp, "you can get any message you want back out", but admittedly that's mostly self infatuation
mircea_popescu: well no food for you yet, you just drew some generalities.
mircea_popescu: maybe they should shoot some flaming ice for a change.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601941 << this is a useful record in that one can take the list of mimisbrunnr , which exists timestampted in chan, and compare to list of blockchain.info for instance, see what dt is involved. sum it up over 10k blocks or whatever
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-12 19:32 ben_vulpes: for what it's worth, when i spot check it against other "block explorers" it's seen blocks before them.
ben_vulpes: more of an open ended research project than "production blockchain api replacement"
mircea_popescu: re the "research project" : the data's there. if anyone cares, can go use it ; if not cares, not cares. either way problem solved.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes webtech is not a system with multiple agents.
mircea_popescu: monoagent systems can and usually do explode in complexity. it's called solipsist mania / psychosis.
mircea_popescu: kinda why solitary confinement is thought to cause insanity.
ben_vulpes: yeah or why every day i come home there's some gorgeous new socialist propaganda to scour off the walls
mircea_popescu: right, the soviets had the same issue, their ideology became ever more windingly complex.
ben_vulpes: who is the monoagent in webtech? i see a zillion "dev", "companies" etc
ben_vulpes: (well i meant woman unattended with child for hours on end)
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 826.21, Best ask: 826.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 826.47, 24 hour volume: 32698.58156695, 24 hour low: 735.0, 24 hour high: 829.8, 24 hour vwap: None
deedbot: whaack voiced for 30 minutes.
whaack: ty! I just finished setting up a bouncer. Re the last time I was here
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550381 my ultimate solution was just clearing my .bitcoin I believe and running it again and it did not get stuck. I never figured out why i was stuck
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-09-29 18:50 mircea_popescu: whaack it is entirely possible that your node is stuck on validating that block because of lack of ram, yes.
mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes : you might consider making yourself a process to stand up vps instances of listener nodes to spray out at you new blocks as they hear them.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: gets around the whole "enemy knows who it's talking to" thing.
mircea_popescu: they're not terribly expensive, if you have an automated process can get 10-20 up at all times with a lifetime no longer than 2-4 weeks for less than 1btc/year. experimentally that's the lower margin of enough.
mircea_popescu: from ancient tomes : "organizarea actuala a Serviciului Statisticei Demografice, destinata a fi una din realizarile cele mai perfectionate existente in prezent, s'a putu face in primul rind datorita concursului acordat de catre Fundatiunea Americana Rockefeller, care, prin conventiunea incheiata cu Ministerul Sanatatii, asigura timp the patru ani insemnate fonduri banesti, pina la un procent de 44.39% din totalul fondului de
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : romanian census 1930 was mostly paid for by the soros foundation of 1930.
mircea_popescu: this included 7 automated punchcard machines, 11 calculators etc.
mircea_popescu: i cant believe i've not translated the two girls one ?!
mircea_popescu: the 2nd one has a proper source, maybe just read the original ? it's a for-romanian-tards discussion of an english piece
scriba: ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7
☟︎ scriba: ssh banner of 79.98.25.200 as seen on 2016-07-12: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he's not a lord yet, dun have a castle, what can he do
ben_vulpes: i regard this vast wasteland of unclaimed irc channels
Framedragger: ^ alright, worx. may not be too terribly useful, but it uses a new l33t backend provided by siphnos.mkj.lt, to be documented later
mircea_popescu: phf to quote from a film i don't recall, "niente coveri, solo corpi di tinere donne"
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: fuck that guy, he left the only usable visual git client for os x to rot without releasing the source.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: are you sure you shouldn't be using olegdb?
Framedragger: pete_dushenski: could you update bots page? `/msg scriba help` is up to date nao
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: i'll transition when i am ready for web scale!!
phf: mircea_popescu: that'll require translation
mircea_popescu: i dunno, some bit about how the chinese emperors din't have covers on their beds, slept covered in women
mircea_popescu: (anyone who tried this knows it's entirely impractical)
pete_dushenski: "Trilema hurt my head on-and-off for Nearly a year.Then it hit me like a ton of bricks-shit." << what chrome thinks my en quote would sound like if it were ro then converted back to en.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: ya no love lost for oleganza anymore. had some fun chatting and dining with him a few years back but he's still not here so not much hope for him really.
ben_vulpes: "a database for when persistence means turning fsync on"
ben_vulpes: i am going to raise my hand and ask a stupid question
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: why did count(1) not return 1?
Framedragger: count() takes "what to return for *every* matching row", basically. "1" is also a thing to return, so it returns >15m of "1"s
ben_vulpes: the really funny thing is that i ran a similar query against a table with one row
ben_vulpes: eh, if i'd done it against a table with two rows it'd have made sense immediately.