decimation: asciilifeform: have you read some of the research under the heading "delay tolerant networking"
BingoBoingo: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/httpd-slides-asiabsdcon2015.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18zpwoe )
decimation: nasa et.al. spend money on usg think tanks to try to come up with a protocol that will magically switch between store-and-forward and low-latency as the channel permits
mircea_popescu: !up Asenath
mircea_popescu: jurov on it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform forced mistakes are forced and mistaken.
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> he posts a ton of extremely ambitious ideas i'd love to see him come through on one of them << you have to understand this is now, thanks to moldbug et all, an internet pose.
mircea_popescu: there's no substance to it past getting you to say that, just like there's no substance past oprah's skin color past getting black people to buy shit.
decimation: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~augustin/pub/chaintreau08opportunistic.pdf < interestingly, 'gossip-based' has become a buzzword in some of this network research
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mircea_popescu: http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/95953789878/chapter-2-in-which-i-remember-why-i-hated-this << ahahaha is it this fucking bad ?!
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mircea_popescu: "You turned into a cat! A SMALL cat! You violated Conservation of Energy! That’s not just an arbitrary rule, it’s implied by the form of the quantum Hamiltonian! Rejecting it destroys unitarity and then you get FTL signalling!”
mircea_popescu: this is a better meme than fu im a dragon.
mircea_popescu: "I read the comments on an HPMOR chapter, which I recommend strongly against. I wish I could talk to several of the commentators, and gently talk them out of a poor financial decision.
mircea_popescu: Poor, misguided random internet person- your donation to MIRI/LessWrong will not help save the world. Even if you grant all their (rather silly) assumptions MIRI is a horribly unproductive research institute- in more than a decade, it has published fewer peer reviewed papers than the average physics graduate student does while in grad school."
mircea_popescu: aww.
BingoBoingo: The woodchipper fanfic was better
mircea_popescu: i am slowly and unpleasantly realising that there will be no end of these ignare cvasi-intellectuals.
mircea_popescu: every year shall bring more yarvin, yakudsky, yaranidiot.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's unavoidable given an "educational system" that fails to teach anything but manages to impart absurd delusions of self worth and power, and completely destructured personal social relations.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... good god, i need more hemlock.
BingoBoingo: !b 3
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mircea_popescu: where the fuck are the people holding up signs with "you are stupid" to raise awareness ?
mircea_popescu: that's a topic that desperately needs awareness, the bezzle's nothing compared to the igzzle.
mircea_popescu: if you add all the money people think they're worth, and divide by all the value that actually exists, you only get a few degrees of magnitude out of the process.
mircea_popescu: however, if you add all the smarts people assign themselves and divide by the ... like i dunno, 5000 or so total iq points available for the bn or so english speakers, you roughly get infinity.
mircea_popescu: and THAT is sure as fuck not implied by the form of any part of any "hamiltonian", w r hamilton's reproductive organs included.
funkenstein_: fractional reserver brain power. just getting it.
funkenstein_ slow as fuck
mircea_popescu: exactly what it is. backed by nothing but the full faith and credit of the usg, in the shape of little bits of paper issued by Department of Harvard, The Stanford Agency scl etc.
funkenstein_: the paper belt
mircea_popescu: and this schmuck didn't even go to school!
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking pervasive by now, they can extract it by simple aculturation.
funkenstein_: the academic bullshit goes way back
mircea_popescu: never before have i realised the wisdom of the jews / early christians in keeping the books under key.
funkenstein_: ?
funkenstein_: just to make more of a challenge for us?
mircea_popescu: no, but because acquiring a monkey-ish familiarity with material is a trivial task, which will then prevent an ambitious and inexperienced actor from actually learning anything.
funkenstein_: hmm.. more likely they were just the same kind of people who enjoy their power as academics today
mircea_popescu: the same insane behaviour exhibited by "bitcoin entrepreneurs" as summed up in http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/ is what drives ykwhatever to falsely believe he has understood something about statistics / has anything meaningful to say
assbot: Who made this ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWZgSB )
mircea_popescu: "about science"
mircea_popescu: of course this argument falls apart once one considers that - according to various muppets cca 1900, "physics was a closed science", so by the logic above proposed everyone should be kept from nature itself as they muck it up.
thestringpuller: dr. funkenstein straight from george clinton's mothership
mircea_popescu: but still, hot damn, semidoctus is becoming a byword for homo interneticus.
funkenstein_: the bigger the headache the bigger the pill
funkenstein_: you give us a chance we will get it wrong. that's why it is so important to have those stupid signs up you mentioned.
funkenstein_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1s1DOUNA-g
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thestringpuller: re: who made this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0g_85WTGIM "How did you get this show?" "Carrot Top turned it down."
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mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform would point out that 'turned into small cat' does not have to violate conservation laws if cat is peculiarly dense, or if the excess mass had been teleported a room away (which in itself does not have to violate conservation) -- but this is probably not what the thing was about
mircea_popescu: actually the cat doesn't even have to be dense per se, it could just be very hot.
mircea_popescu: or... spinning real fast.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every year shall bring more.. << give the charlatans some credit here. yudkowsky, for instance, carefully disassembled the broken husk of christianity and soldered all the loose pieces together in a way that it sorta runs again for folks on the right half of bell curve
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have little to no evidence of this. all i see is the text, and the text is truely appalling.
mircea_popescu: yes, maybe he writes like an idiot on purpose.
asciilifeform: he convinced folks with some education in the physical sciences, even to believe in immortality ('ancestor sims', 'nanotech'); deities ('jupiter brains', 'superintelligence') and even immortal soul ('coherent extrapolated volition')
asciilifeform: he writes 'down' to the audience
asciilifeform: to reel people in
mircea_popescu: it seems improbable, much like crack whores are rarely sober actresses practicing.
asciilifeform: the man knows precisely what he's doing
mircea_popescu: listen, a large crowd of bearded idiots following the child prophet is no proof of the child's anything.
asciilifeform: in fact, he is so confident that he's been known to accept public debate. might even show up here if somebody really wants.
mircea_popescu: it's just proof that people are endlessly stupid on their own terms.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not going by the crowd, but by having actually read everything the fella wrote 1997-2009 or so
mircea_popescu: debate as to what ? there's no point of contention.
asciilifeform: the only point i can see in contention is whether mr y 'drinks own kool-aid' or not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you saying he's just a very inept writer of [fan]fiction ?
mircea_popescu: lol that'd be a debate. which side is he to take ?
asciilifeform: possibly the 'has' ?
asciilifeform: (it would be interesting if not!)
asciilifeform: the fanfic thing is one of the pieces i have -not- read.
mircea_popescu: ah.
asciilifeform: so cannot comment usefully.
mircea_popescu: it's... bad. it's bad in a literary sense, and it's arguably worse in a science sense.
mircea_popescu: one could read treatises on learned topics written by anonymous americans cca 1800 to about the same effect.
mircea_popescu: heavy on the sauce, no real meat to speak of.
asciilifeform: mr y seems quite clever so long as he has the sense to stay away from actual mechanisms and physical world in general where if 'your hands grow from your arse' you tend to lose them in the gears.
asciilifeform: story time:
asciilifeform: mr y had... a programming language! cooked up in his days of being a self-important kid with just a few dozen cult followers
mircea_popescu: did it have submarines ?
asciilifeform: it was rather like a bad ('70s-style) lispalike with xml (yes, xml) for all forms
asciilifeform: for all expressions, rather
asciilifeform: xml in place of sexprs.
asciilifeform: thing was called 'flare'
mircea_popescu: i guess...
asciilifeform: and you will not see any of his groupies mention it. ever.
asciilifeform: (did i mention his 'human-equivalent ai' was to be written in it? this is, of course, before he pronounced fatwa on anyone contemplating such a thing)
mircea_popescu: lol you know the portrait that emerges is exactly that of the sort of kid i'd bust the nose of within a coupla days of being introduced ?
asciilifeform: the thing he's very good at is plagiarism
mircea_popescu: http://flarelang.sourceforge.net/ < this thing ?
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asciilifeform: and ends up seeming quite clever by lifting various ideas and 'explaining'
mircea_popescu: it just sounds like, where's that 2nd hand source brb
asciilifeform: ;;google detached lever fallacy
gribble: Detached Lever Fallacy - Less Wrong: <http://lesswrong.com/lw/sp/detached_lever_fallacy/>; Category:Fallacies - Lesswrongwiki: <http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Category:Fallacies>; Magic - Lesswrongwiki: <http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Magic>
asciilifeform: ^ example
mircea_popescu: "I’m too smart, Professor. I’ve got nothing to say to normal children. Adults don’t respect me enough to really talk to me. And frankly, even if they did, they wouldn’t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I’m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I’ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe that has some of the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An
mircea_popescu: d I’m too intelligent to look up to my parents the way that children are designed to do. My parents love me, but they don’t feel obliged to respond to reason, and sometimes I feel like they’re the children - children who won’t listen and have absolute authority over my whole existence. I try not to be too bitter about it, but I also try to be honest with myself, so, yes, I’m bitter.
mircea_popescu: then merge that with the "i failed and so nobody else should try it!" reversal of the "i tried and thus no one should criticize me" insanity...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know that's an age honored thing in usia. which is why all the brouhaha over "intelle;ctual property" and "bla bla theft" is so funny for people who aren't either born yesterday or to stupid parents in the great plains. srsly, someone stole from murica ? what, christmas ?
asciilifeform: 'always it is the thief who cries - stop, thief!' or how did it go
mircea_popescu: that's what ted is, but it didn't start there. that's what http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ is and what mormonism is and puritanism and the us army and generally...
assbot: Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWllkX )
mircea_popescu: it's all lifted.
mircea_popescu: or as that romanian dude put it, "hai c-am furat un negativ"
asciilifeform: in all fairness, how could it be anything else? not being a historic culture and all
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with it, as a process, but the acultural approach to it... o brother.
mircea_popescu: right, that's what i;m saying. obviously cunt gets pounded. but all the pretense around it ? y ?
mircea_popescu: "Jumping off the
mircea_popescu: extensibility of XML,
mircea_popescu: the flexibility of the underlying
mircea_popescu: representation enables Flare to do
mircea_popescu: several fundamental things in
mircea_popescu: fundamentally different ways."
mircea_popescu: ^ check it out, it allowed them to mix text with display rules, because xml.
asciilifeform: obligatory naggumism: ''It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.''
mircea_popescu: Flare.org domain donated courtesy of ePoet.com
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: "Flare is based on XML. In dialects of LISP, both the program and the program data are represented as lists. In Flare, the program and program data, and ideally the program state, are all represented as well-formed XML. Because XML is annotative (additional sub-elements can be easily added to any parent element without destroying the structural integrity of existing data) and extensible (new sub-element types can be
mircea_popescu: easily created), these properties are shared by Flare objects and Flare programs."
mircea_popescu: this just broke my head. seriously ?!
mircea_popescu: in what complang is it the case that you can't add stuff to code ?!
asciilifeform: ^ the stuck-capslock 'LISP' is an almost foolproof leper's bell of folks whose knowledge of the subject comes from 1970s encyclopaedia article
asciilifeform: (no one who actually programs in any lisplike thing whatsoever, will ever write it out that way - the fingers simply won't do it)
mircea_popescu: how old was he when doing this flare thing ?
mircea_popescu: If the Flare interpreter knows that "human" is a class defined in the module "people", then it knows to expect that the tag "arms" refers to an instance member with numeric content. This is how the Flare interpreter knows that 2 means the number 2 and not the string "2".
mircea_popescu: ^ almost as painful to read as his fiction.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the parlance of folks who actually program computers on occasion - 'blocks of code are a first-class object' is the claim. which is true for all lisp-family
mircea_popescu: is the above quote included in your "read all" ?
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i saw this crap, it was a series of forum posts...
asciilifeform out of the loop for a good long spell
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the language is the message, here. guy's not writing down to anyone but himself.
asciilifeform: i don't even know that this brochure was crapped out by mr y himself
mircea_popescu: "Not written by Dmitriy Myshkin."
mircea_popescu: in any case, .ro space has a coupla of these, "artists" that wish to be philosophers/scientists. the result is endless lol fountain.
asciilifeform: in the spirit of mrs. ceausescu ?
mircea_popescu: nah, in the spirit of mr pecuchet
mircea_popescu: ceausescu was a shoemaker.
asciilifeform: thinking of the woman
mircea_popescu: ah. she was a common whore.
mircea_popescu: unlike argentina's, she wasn't pretty, either
mircea_popescu: (tho i don't find evita peron pretty, but hey)
asciilifeform: whore who walked around collecting 'honorary diplomas' in chemistry
mircea_popescu: point being, artist.
asciilifeform: while actual chemists cringed, bit tongues
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you know this sort - often comes out at the beach. tall, good looking kid, not a jock, has learned some poetry and gazes into the distance a lot.
mircea_popescu: sorta emo-precursor.
decimation: re: education < http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silicon-valley-home-schooling/ < apparently Thiel et.al. were educated in a Montessori school (which was a crazy idea invented by a random italian chick) to let kids decide for themselves "how to be schooled"
assbot: The Techies Who Are Hacking Education by Homeschooling Their Kids | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWn4qs )
mircea_popescu: very successful with a certain age range, mostly because well... the gals are itching for a trashing, but also kinda affraid it may hurt.
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc 'montessori' is done to very young, elementary grade pupils only
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's extended kindergarten
mircea_popescu: (dunno about yer lands, but that's exactly how kindergarten was done when i was 5ish)
decimation: heh no they do high school now
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: ok alf, I got it. here it is :
mircea_popescu: This whole conversation feels ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE.
mircea_popescu: [...]
mircea_popescu: I’m not sure why you’d use persuasion/marketing as a shiny metaphor for science, other than its the theme of this chapter. ”If you know science you can manipulate people as if you were literally in control of them” seems like a broad, and mostly untrue claim.
decimation: exampe > http://www.schoolofthewoods.org/
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mircea_popescu: so your theory'd be, fitting with the above, that this is what they called a "sensitive child" who is trying to assuage his existential vertigo by "taming" [pseudo]science to play the role of a sort of marketing ?
asciilifeform: approximately.
mircea_popescu: reads to me more like a cry for help.
mircea_popescu: "mommy look how fucking stupid i'm being, help me!"
asciilifeform: whatever it was a cry for, it werked - mr y has a rotating harem, a flat in san fran, and a phoundation to invoice for the lot - and i don't
asciilifeform: so yes, i l0l, but sc4mz0r sp4mz like a pr0
mircea_popescu: what's a rotating harem ?
asciilifeform: the kind mircea_popescu has
mircea_popescu: wait. wut ?
asciilifeform: where younger gurlz rotated in, etc
asciilifeform not sure of the correct term of art
mircea_popescu: you're basically saying he's having a lot of sex ?
asciilifeform: sex he doesn't have to go shopping for
asciilifeform again not sure of the term of art
mircea_popescu: might be "dating"
decimation: re: "intelle;ctual property" < I spoke with a patent examiner once, she said that she often was 'paid a visit' by pharma/medical people who were under the mistaken impression that their devices were still under patent
decimation: when it had long ago expired
asciilifeform: wai wat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm tryin' to follow!
asciilifeform: (no one remotely connected with the filing of an american patent is under any doubt whatsoever regarding expiration thereof)
decimation: asciilifeform: she said they would have long conversations where they were apparently mistaken about this
mircea_popescu: "I enjoy speaking at financial firms on human rationality." << there, your mystery's solved. he's doing the entertainment for vc teambuilding events.
mircea_popescu: so is, for instance, her : http://40.media.tumblr.com/fc9005c0f6ad1619a382f70c2796027e/tumblr_msbf0u15E61rmm9buo1_500.jpg
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decimation: mircea_popescu: snake-oil sales for 'business seminars' is quite big business
asciilifeform: if he does this, it is to rope in chumpz for his phoundation
mircea_popescu: well... you gotta put something up, you know ? gavin can't run to all of them in his satoshi costume
asciilifeform: and - it works
mircea_popescu: and out and out nudity is more of a terrorism&money laundering trope than anything
asciilifeform: (-somebody- is paying his bills)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he could say the same about you.
asciilifeform: exactly the same
decimation: re: mr y. < are you sure it's gurlz instead of boyz?
asciilifeform: except that mr y is a much more talented whore than yours truly
mircea_popescu: this pov where women without further specification are somehow valuable still boggles me.
asciilifeform: the kind that is a couplea-zeroes apart
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you know this ?
asciilifeform has insufficient data for specification
asciilifeform has very few items that rise to the level of 'knowledge' about mr y, mainly thirdhand rumour
mircea_popescu: i think you drastically overestimate the well being of others. but at least it's consistent with the meta nsa/lizard hitler outlook.
asciilifeform: -somebody- flies first class and sleeps ad libitum
ben_vulpes: if not mr y, then surely lizard hitler
ben_vulpes: and damn his eyes for it!
ben_vulpes: or anyone who might.
asciilifeform: His Reptilian Majesty!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd ask how you know this, but i'll let it slide :D
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm not sure about that. it seems to me that the us is all about everyone trying to keep everyone else from doing exactly that
decimation: the rhetoric in the us tends toward "a rising tide lifts all boats" but the more apparent reality is to squash the up-and-coming - to prevent competition from above and to 'enhance equality' from below
mircea_popescu: this crabpottery is quite recent
decimation: mircea_popescu: I think it is correlated with the mass looting of public companies that became fashionable in the late 70's/early 80's
mircea_popescu: nah. that's natural, and welcome - capitalism rebuidling itself.
mircea_popescu: when you get a bunch of idiots who wish agency without agency, looting is both necessary and ideal.
mircea_popescu: "public companies" pssh.
mircea_popescu: why wasn't the buffallo a "public company" in 1830 ?
decimation: charles murray has written about how the 'elites' and common folk lived in the same neighborhoods together
mircea_popescu: i fucking wrote about it. elite me lived in the same bus as some alabamian black kids, to no detriment of either of us, au contraire.
mircea_popescu: something average usian can not do. because reasons.
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-01-2015#979013 < elites became paranoid☝︎
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mircea_popescu: yea
asciilifeform: and meanwhile escalating ethn0w4rz to keep things interesting
decimation: actually the elites were racist as fuck, and were quite willing to use the underclass as a weapon against the kulaks while they built imaginary 'barriers' around their homes
asciilifeform: 'the death and life of great american cities' (jacobs)
asciilifeform: ^ mega-classic
decimation: also I would note that this happened at a time when the intellectual fashion was to scorn any project designed to civilize the 'other'
decimation: 'arrow to the throat - it's the only language the savages understand'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '"Give it here." then in the phone "It's Francine A. Hayek. H-A-Y-E-K." and then after a pregnant pause, "No, just a name coincidence."' << m3g4l0l!!
asciilifeform falls down
danielpbarron: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2006/09/14/netbsd_future.html << more history about the BSDs
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danielpbarron: Since it came up in the /. thread, though, I would like to make one correction. It's widely claimed that I'm "the one" who ejected Theo from the NetBSD community. That is false. At that time in NetBSD's history, Chris G. Demetriou was playing the role of alpha male, and I wasn't even given a choice. I was certain it was going to bite us in the ass. I think the question for historians is not whether it did bite us in the ass,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha ?
mircea_popescu: tyhat bad ?
asciilifeform: so bad that good (TM)
asciilifeform: as in, register rolls over.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron he can of course point to deedbot deeds proving these claims,
mircea_popescu: or fail that, to anything ?
asciilifeform: (proposes 'ROL' to augment the customary 'lol' as term of art)
danielpbarron: http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html < pre-deedbot history was kept in the form of email dumps
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FtdN7f )
asciilifeform: 'Even today, most software distributions on the net (and this includes NetBSD) are not signed.' << wat?
asciilifeform: ^ is above still true ?!
asciilifeform: 'deedbot' concept is older than might appear
asciilifeform: ;;google cediinnoopsssttuu
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decimation: "In addition, Wasabi actually held up a NetBSD release for more than a week, while failing to tell even the developer community why. (The main release engineer happened to be a Wasabi employee, so this was easy.) After I personally pushed the release out without them, it was finally revealed that this was because there was a secret arrangement, which only Wasabi employees and Wasabi board members knew about, to do a combined NetBSD
decimation: Foundation and Wasabi press release. They were actually upset at me for preempting this." << lol this guy is no linus
decimation: that writing smacks of stallmans nerd-rage
asciilifeform never really saw the 'rage' angle re: rms
asciilifeform: the devil that rms preaches about - exists.
asciilifeform: he walks around, you can go and touch him at your phriendly local electronics shop.
asciilifeform: in fact, unless you're approximately in the same class of crackpot weirdo as rms - that devil is sitting right next to you in invisible chair.
decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8mKMtEg7M < 2:07 he rages
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asciilifeform: was that when the pickpockets of buenos aires got his mips laptop ?
decimation: heh I think so
asciilifeform: not much to do with doctrine, then.
decimation: no, more of "I let these people 'work' on my project and suddenly they were controlling it"
asciilifeform: 'Most of us had a very strong distaste for the so-called "virus" clause in the GPL, and this is the primary reason we did not adopt it. There was also some thinking that CSRG (Berkeley) and the X Consortium had been successful with leaner, looser licenses, so why bother. In retrospect I think this was naive; if you look at the history, you'll see that neither CSRG nor the X Consortium were really successful in getting third pa
asciilifeform: rties to contribute back most of their changes--and so what we really got in both cases was a long list of derived but very different, and often incompatible, systems.'
asciilifeform: ^ fact is, gpl has perfectly valid reasons for existing; most of which resolve to folks not wishing to give aid and comfort to the enemy
asciilifeform: if there is any way of preventing it
decimation: it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project
asciilifeform: and the enemy is approximately who rms tells us it is.
asciilifeform: critics of rms are always very quick to remember the snot-eating or fits of frothing madness, or whateverthephuck but rarely address the actual arguments in anything like a direct and intelligent way
decimation: I agree with that, but it also seems that the rms 'project' is largely failing
asciilifeform: 'jeszcze Polska nie zginęła'
decimation: in the sense that the major 'open source' projects are switching to non-gpl licenses - or are trying to be devoured by the same
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ?
asciilifeform: ^ from the pl national anthem
asciilifeform: 'pl is not yet dead' (next being, 'while we still live')
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'Even today, blablabladerp.' << wat? << i'll tell you what. "mommy, i got a 7 in algebra, but you should have seen all the other kids at retard school, they got 3 and 4!"
decimation: also, stallman hasn't done much about the 'hardware problem'
asciilifeform: decimation: what would you suggest he do about it ?
decimation: I have no idea, but it does seem like software cannot stand freely alone
mircea_popescu: <decimation> it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project << actually... it's all in the bias. irrespective of what the words may say, these were govenrment men. of course they saw no problem giving their thing to governmenty-something. their only actual problem would have been "terrorists", a
mircea_popescu: ka, not drones getting it.
asciilifeform: decimation: barring some quite perverse retroactive usg shenanigans (never say 'never.' it happened in ru) gpl stuff is staying gpl
asciilifeform: forever.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ? << In Theo's Bundle Theo blames Charles Hannum explicitly near the end. Demetrio in my reading of the dump seems to be an aggrevating factor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only reason gpl stays gpl atm is because it's not worth much. otherwise... it didn't happen in the cccp only. it happened in the us, and everywhere else.
decimation: asciilifeform: are you saying that commercial code isn't riddled with 'gpled snippets'?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, but still, as a point of procedure, muppet should be trained to back himself up. "here's what i say it was then, and here's where i published it then"
mircea_popescu: they have to be forced to come to terms and accept the plain fact that if they don't publish, they ARE lying.
mircea_popescu: no excuses, no slack cut for any reason. you keep a blog or fuck you.
asciilifeform: decimation: no, merely that everything once published under gpl is still distributable, no one has yet come up with, in usa, with 'we retroactively own this'
asciilifeform: attempts - yes. but ticket wasn't punched yet.
asciilifeform: yet.
mircea_popescu: the peasants demand church land be redistributed!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was referring to the post-soviet laugh where you now 'have to' (lol) pay to see the filmz i grew up with, etc
mircea_popescu: ah, that.
asciilifeform: the 'privatization' of everything
asciilifeform: ussr did not sign berne convention
asciilifeform: but ru did
asciilifeform: '95
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: and -retroactive-
mircea_popescu: yeah right.
asciilifeform: article 18 iirc
mircea_popescu: you can put anything you want on paper, doesn't mean jack.
asciilifeform: didn't say it -meant-
asciilifeform: but that it went on the paper
asciilifeform: one doesn't have to believe in god to discuss religion
mircea_popescu: yeh.
asciilifeform: (see eben moglen re: rule of law)
mircea_popescu: ;;google eben moglen rule of law
gribble: Eben Moglen: "Snowden and the Future" | David Bollier: <http://bollier.org/blog/eben-moglen-snowden-and-future>; Eben Moglen: <http://moglen.law.columbia.edu/resume.html>; Legal Fictions and Common Law Legal Theory - Eben Moglen: <http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/fict.html>
mircea_popescu never read all this snowden derivative corpus
asciilifeform: iirc it was short & simple, something like 'yeah i'm an anarchist lawyer. you don't have to like disease to be a doctor, either'
mircea_popescu: works.
asciilifeform: 'We honestly had (and have) developers who think that changing all the line-ending whitespace was really important. Or that whether there are some "legacy" K&R-style prototypes actually matters. These people go around committing non-functional changes, which makes source management (and specifically patching and merging) really painful, and which, unfortunately, also often breaks things accidentally. What's worse is that somet
asciilifeform: imes they don't even bother trying to compile it, much less test it. I wish I was making this up; I wish more that I had made these people go away a long time ago.'
asciilifeform: ^ still alive & well and with us.
mircea_popescu: anyone who has this problem is an idiot of the same breath as the guy with a bitchy wife.
mircea_popescu: shoulda frowned her in time.
BingoBoingo: http://altoz.liberty.me/2015/03/17/why-ripple-is-the-enemy/
assbot: Why Ripple is the Enemy - Bit Blogger ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ftk6YB )
asciilifeform: obvious usg altcoin is obvious
asciilifeform: at least, afaik they're the readiest fit for the role.
danielpbarron: "She was pretty drunk so this speech was littered with lovely curse words and slurring." << did this interview take place in b-a or something?
decimation: asciilifeform: re: what to do about hardware < sell diy "mr. fuser" kit at costco?
BingoBoingo: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2006/08/30/0016.html << lol "Speaking of which, there must be negative feedback to discourage people from breaking stuff. This has been a continual problem with certain "developers" for more than a decade."
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GORRSq )
danielpbarron: basically saying they need to be more like the guy they kicked out
BingoBoingo: Not they, he
decimation: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150316/1019544767.html < ru mil 'conducting excercises' in eastern ru
assbot: Russia Starts Large-Scale Communications Drills in Nine Regions / Sputnik International ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu2Ouw )
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/kernelslacker/status/577636505239289856
assbot: The advance warning for this OpenSSL bug can only mean one thing. There's going to be a dope logo for this bug on Thursday.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 716 @ 0.01449993 = 10.3819 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: !up brendafdez
brendafdez: nice i can haz voice. I was trying to use SASL authentication on hexchat, but for some reaosn it doesn't seem to work. Gave up, is very difficult, this irc stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_tHmL2Oug
assbot: TÉVEZ - VERY DIFFICULT - BIEN SUBTITULADO ESPAÑOL INGLÉS - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu4kgb )
mircea_popescu: "As one of the 4 originators of NetBSD, I am in a fairly unique position."
mircea_popescu: math is hard. fourtique position !
mircea_popescu: !gettrust brendafdez
assbot: brendafdez is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: ^ do that.
mircea_popescu: sasl is for the birds.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5SbHmZuRPU << sometimes the HORSE matador.
assbot: Corrida Nîmes - The Horse bite and kill the bull ! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu4LHr )
brendafdez: ;;ident brendafdez
gribble: Nick 'brendafdez', with hostmask 'brendafdez!~brendafde@unaffiliated/brendafdez', is identified as user 'brendafdez', with GPG key id CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4, key fingerprint 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: other 1.
BingoBoingo: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Assbot has its own way to authenticate use !register
mircea_popescu: "The existing NetBSD Foundation must be disbanded, and replaced with an organization that fulfills its original purpose: to merely handle administrative issues"
mircea_popescu: lol. imbecile "Foundation", a problem for every netbsd clone since day one.
brendafdez: !register 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 59D8599B65A983BF0288E5B6CE5BEE6C81FCA4D4. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 81FCA4D4 / "Brenda Fernández <me@brendafernandez.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
brendafdez: like so?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: !rate brendafdez 1 New tits
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/eda46b0d1274e0b8
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.brendafdez.1:bd0936d5e7c2db1878ac7d3ac05fb79ac1087d9de8c7139108bbc564651c4aa1
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: New tits
mircea_popescu: you voice yourself by pm ing assbot !up
brendafdez: wow (:
BingoBoingo: https://wiki.ripple.com/Freeze
assbot: Freeze - Ripple Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/18AjX8O )
BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/06/heavily-armed-drug-cops-raid-retirees-garden-seize-okra-plants/
assbot: Heavily armed drug cops raid retiree’s garden, seize okra plants - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fu78de )
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000034.html << why not a patch file for this? just to make me diff it myself?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18AlcVN )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: a brendafdez!
mircea_popescu: "The Cannabis Eradication programs have historically inflated the size of their hauls by including non-psychoactive "ditchweed" in their totals of plants seized. In past years, ditchweed accounted for up to 98 percent of seized outdoor plant totals."
mircea_popescu: epic. the usg, inflating EVERYTHING.
mircea_popescu: fake psychiatric patients. fake foster kids. fake homeless. fake pot captures, fake mit engineering degrees, fake currency
mircea_popescu: and im sure, fake orgasms.
BingoBoingo: ;;google US fake orgasm epidemic
gribble: The Orgasm Deficit - Cosmopolitan: <http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a28359/orgasm-deficit/>; The Under F**ked Pussy Epidemic (Every Woman Needs To Read ...: <http://mytinysecrets.com/the-under-fked-pussy-epidemic-every-women-need-to-read-this/>; The infidelity epidemic: Never have marriage vows been under so ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311947/The- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: they seriously misspelled fucking in the title of an article about cunt and fucking ?
mircea_popescu: here's an idea : if you're not comfortable spelling your topic, write about something else.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "trip" << hilarious
mircea_popescu: ha! thanks.
brendafdez: forgive the laziness to look it up, but the wot ratings entered with assbot end up showing on bitcoin-otc the same as they did back when one registered them with gribble, right? They get 'synced' after a while?
BingoBoingo: Whether they sync ever if I recall correctly is still a bit of a mystery
brendafdez: (:
mircea_popescu: brendafdez well, there's some talks to get the two bots talking to each other, but they're proceeding glacially.
mircea_popescu: so far assbot keeps its own thing, you can curl query it, look in the wiki/logs for examples.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00031387 = 19.7738 BTC [-] {3}
brendafdez: Trying to reach that promised land of inbox 0 i unearthed an old message saying i had shares waiting for me on registration at CipherTrade. Towards the end of 2013 during the bubble, i had purchased a number of shares of CipherMine, because the issuer, Kate of memset, was also trans, hot and into women, so they couldn't possibly be a bad choice. I boght 90 of the things at some 4 LTC each. Each LTC was some 10 dollars at the time. I
brendafdez: expected to at least find enough for a beer or a coffee if I registered, claimed and liquidated the position.
brendafdez: Was greeted with this instead: "There is no historical trading data available for this security You own 90 shares of a total of 110000 listed on CipherTrade Best ask rate: N/A Best bid rate: N/A"
fluffypony: lol ciphertrade
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.0003116 = 5.5465 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: such a fail
brendafdez: At least the remaining 0.12 LTC which weren't enough to buy a full share are still there waiting. I see complains in the forum that withdrawals aren't being processed correctly, but it it goes through I might walk away almost with a full quarter
brendafdez: such pain. I'd need another 10x bubble already to recover what I lost doing this kind of things, but this one seems to be running late.
cazalla: brendafdez you're a dude?
fluffypony: cazalla: I gather from the "also trans" comment above that she's an ex-dude
fluffypony has no idea how genders work anymore
brendafdez: yo http://i.imgur.com/5tSSg2D.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cowqc0 )
fluffypony: hah hah
cazalla: brendafdez, ya don't really hold a candle to bailey jay but i guess you can pass
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
brendafdez: that's not me, i don't have a picture of myself in the mens room, but it was quite graphic. This is me for real: http://brendafernandez.com/aboutme/ and there are many many pictures in other places. Today Anon took the effort to out me in the Trilema comments. But I prefer to take that pleasure away from people and out myself beforehand.
assbot: About me | Brenda Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoxrR6 )
cazalla: brendafdez, well you're not the first trans to come here, likely not even the second
brendafdez: So it was allinvain, I'm not getting the badge after all (?
indiancandy1: hi
cazalla: brendafdez, yeah, no badge for you, not sure where the other trans went, think he/she had drug problems or something, homeless too from memory
cazalla: indiancandy1, started camming yet?
indiancandy1: when today
cazalla: when ever i guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00030906 = 12.7642 BTC [-] {2}
brendafdez: indiancandy1, i could introduce you to titsforbitcoin
indiancandy1: introduce me
indiancandy1: please
indiancandy1: i thought mp was the only buyer
indiancandy1: on tits 4 btc
indiancandy1: is brenda a trans
indiancandy1: hi brenda
indiancandy1: im shanti dynaite
indiancandy1: dynamite
brendafdez: awesome, pleased to meet you
brendafdez: it's not that hard just sign up here https://www.titsforbitcoin.com/modeljoin you need the Flash crap thing but you likely already have it
assbot: Model sign up - (t)it'sforbitcoin - Bitcoin cams. Live Bitcoin webcams. Watch and earn Bitcoin. Amateur girls on live cams accept Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cozfd6 )
cazalla: indiancandy1, is that really you?
brendafdez: I'm not paying anyone to do this things, so maybe you're right that mp is the only paying (even then, it could be a very good idea...), I'm just doing because I want the ecosystem to grow
brendafdez: who? the one whose nick is the answer to your question?
mircea_popescu: an ecosystem eh ?
fluffypony: he said, nonchalantly
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: you should do all my voiceovers!
fluffypony: hah hah
indiancandy1: what do you mean
indiancandy1: you want the ecosystem to grow
indiancandy1: do you show your boobs for btc
indiancandy1: ?
brendafdez: youst sign up already
indiancandy1: its small time money
brendafdez: it's fun
indiancandy1: what showing your breasts
indiancandy1: is fun?
indiancandy1: not when its a full time job
indiancandy1: my whole life consists of showing breasts
brendafdez: my full time job is feeding the scammers... therefore, an ecosystem
BingoBoingo: !b 6
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WGTE43.txt )
indiancandy1: you feed scammers?
indiancandy1: i dont get it
indiancandy1: sorry :(
indiancandy1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnYLTFta8L4
assbot: Shanti Dynamite's Nude Yoga Stunt | Check Out - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoAc4Z )
indiancandy1: thats me
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Oh, you have a wikipedia page. Even MP's got deleted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Dynamite
assbot: Shanti Dynamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoAybU )
indiancandy1: yea
indiancandy1: im famous
indiancandy1: and broke
indiancandy1: ahaha
indiancandy1: famous and broke
indiancandy1: such is life
indiancandy1: anyways im launching my adult site
indiancandy1: soon
cazalla: damn half greek eh, i'm not a fan of woggy girs
indiancandy1: to monetize
indiancandy1: whats woggy?
cazalla: ;;ud wog
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wog | By now it has greatly lost its sting, and many ethnic Australians have reclaimed it as a jocular term, with some cleverly riffing on it (e.g. 'clog wog' for a Dutchman, ...
indiancandy1: for a dutchman
indiancandy1: im not dutch
cazalla: nah, refer to aus english part, not british
cazalla: 1. a non-Anglo-Celtic European, esp. from Southern or Eastern Europe (e.g. Greek, Italian, Balkan, Slavic, etc.)
indiancandy1: well
indiancandy1: i dont care about your preference
indiancandy1: to be honest
indiancandy1: im not tryna fuck you so ,.
indiancandy1: BANG
fluffypony: you're so cool
fluffypony: I wish I was as cool as you
fluffypony: with your hardcore IDGAF attitude
fluffypony: #swag #yolo
cazalla: #selfie
Adlai: ʏᴏʟᴏ
Adlai: !up indiancandy1
fluffypony: 2L33T4ME
indiancandy1: LOL
indiancandy1: :P
indiancandy1: #selfie
indiancandy1: #belfie
indiancandy1: anywaays
indiancandy1: brenda
brendafdez: yes?
indiancandy1: are you cashing in?
indiancandy1: on the tits thing
brendafdez: no, for me it was a very brief experiment. I only did it once, and made what at the time were some 8 dollars. Not bad for an hour of time or so. I didn't intend to cash in doing camshows, but I had several friends who did take it more seriously, and they made more money than they would have othrewise, for a very low effort, some customers just wanted to hear them talk. All this was a long time ago, I see less activity on the site th
brendafdez: ese days, but trying couldn't hurt.
indiancandy1: i did it i made 60dollars for 1pic
indiancandy1: but if you want to cam dont cam for btc there is not enough people that use btc for you to earn in cam
indiancandy1: if you want to cam for money im sure you can earn also as your trans you fit into a niche try mfc ?
indiancandy1: or even adultwork maybe best for you
indiancandy1: you could earn 2 to 3 thousand dollars a month from home
mircea_popescu: re "Kate of memset" << o boy we did her here, i recall.
mircea_popescu: !s kate
assbot: 87 results for 'kate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kate
brendafdez: Also it youre on other websites like myfreecams, you can be on many at the same time. I don't want to cam, and if i did I would never market mysekf that way. I like aw. Ok, then if you earn that much great for you.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/ etc
assbot: On periphery and the peripheral. Ephemerides are also mentioned. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bsy5b4 )
brendafdez: Anyway, I wasn't asking for advisse on how to market myself on cam sites, i thought it was you :P
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 dja make 2-3k ?
indiancandy1: dja?
mircea_popescu: do you
indiancandy1: i dont cam much
brendafdez: :D
indiancandy1: i just came back from india didnt i
indiancandy1: but before i did
indiancandy1: when i did full time
indiancandy1: well not full time you kno what i mean
indiancandy1: anyways im launching my site now and wil sell tease videos
mircea_popescu: orly ?
indiancandy1: and i wanna monetize on utube also as i see this videos on utube of me
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 you should talk to naphex if memory serves he was looking for models for a newsite.
indiancandy1: having like 500k hits just for cleavage etc
indiancandy1: where is he
mircea_popescu: ;;seen naphex
gribble: naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Naphex> o/
mircea_popescu: well apparently he's disappeared o.O
mircea_popescu: probably getting fucked to death.
indiancandy1: huh
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054796 << http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/134654389322.png☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 08:04:27; brendafdez: such pain. I'd need another 10x bubble already to recover what I lost doing this kind of things, but this one seems to be running late.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoCvoA )
mircea_popescu: brendafdez so how did you get the idea you're really a dude ?
indiancandy1: huh
indiancandy1: i thought it was a male dressed as female
mircea_popescu: arguably.
brendafdez: dunno, they told me that i was male when they raised me, i thought they must know what they are saying...
BingoBoingo: !up Bagels7
mircea_popescu: oh im sorry. i meant to ask the other way.
mircea_popescu: shit's confusing.
mircea_popescu: so how did you get the idea you're really a broad ?
indiancandy1: omg mircea
brendafdez: shit's confusing
indiancandy1: i just remembered]
mircea_popescu: lol
indiancandy1: you know the adult tv show i work in
indiancandy1: basically they have a channel in romania
mircea_popescu: actually i don't, but go on.
indiancandy1: and the woman who runs it has the same surnma as you
indiancandy1: i was like i wonder if your related
mircea_popescu: haha, common enough.
mircea_popescu: sorta like patel.
indiancandy1: ohh
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054818 << actually i dun think i ever was there☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 08:34:55; indiancandy1: i thought mp was the only buyer
indiancandy1: ?
indiancandy1: i thought it was you
mircea_popescu: check it out, she's got a wiki page an' errything : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Dynamite
assbot: Shanti Dynamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoDm8S )
mircea_popescu: you're the woman now, bitch!
indiancandy1: sorry?
indiancandy1: you lost me here baby
mircea_popescu: "She has been adjudged as one of the 50 Sexiest Woman of Asia by British Newspaper Eastern Eye."
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 "you're the man now, dog" , aka ytmnd is this internet phenomenon
BingoBoingo: Also two movies coming out this year
mircea_popescu: in truth was big about the time you were 12.
indiancandy1: no
indiancandy1: thats bullshit
indiancandy1: ahah no movies :(
mircea_popescu: "Parents divorced at age of 9 years, so Sofia and mother move to London, UK It was hard settling in London it was cold and completely different to Africa. Sofia grew up in North West London and South West London in Brixton Angel Town one of the roughest areas in London. Sofia got into gang culture as a teenager and left school at 16 to join a hair and beauty school. Sofia grew up in low class area and her mother was wo
mircea_popescu: rking as a nurse but then salary did not cover living costs."
indiancandy1: why are you quoting my wiki page
mircea_popescu: check it out, she grew up rough in the streets of brixton!
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: But IMDB said...
indiancandy1: i signed for them
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i dunno, mildly interesting.
indiancandy1: but i had problems with directors
BingoBoingo: Ah
indiancandy1: so didnt end up shooting
indiancandy1: so im back to being broke and famous
indiancandy1: OL
mircea_popescu: wait, you didn't end up shooting or they didn't end shooting up ?
indiancandy1: lol
indiancandy1: we didnt start the film yo
mircea_popescu: aha.
indiancandy1: yes dear
indiancandy1: i filmed my twerk video alst week
mircea_popescu: any good ?
indiancandy1: im waiting to see the end rsults its in post production
indiancandy1: hope it goes viral
mircea_popescu: not unless you do something outright bizarre.
indiancandy1: no in india
indiancandy1: come on if you look at videos of my cleavage on utube hving 500k hits
indiancandy1: indians are thirsty
indiancandy1: and no indian has done twerk video before
mircea_popescu: ah, then it might catch.
mircea_popescu: it's so funny to me, all of east asia is pretty much one dick split up to two or even three men. india, right next to it... those dudes are reasonably hung.
mircea_popescu: i imagine sino-indian conflict over the state of the pussy is inevitable.
indiancandy1: now i dont want to ask how or why you know that kind of ino
indiancandy1: info**
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054880 << said he, pensively.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 08:48:46; fluffypony: I wish I was as cool as you
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i have friends, they like to talk.
indiancandy1: about cock
indiancandy1: lovely
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: brendafdez: Not bad for an hour of time or so. << whadda ya do for a living anyway ?
indiancandy1: whose got instagram yo?
mircea_popescu: preppy kids, mostly.
indiancandy1: LOL
mircea_popescu: speaking of india, http://41.media.tumblr.com/2902864e96efd3672927519344c4612b/tumblr_mp7j05z2jW1rrh4y4o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoEUzC )
brendafdez: used to sell smuggled electronics. Then I thought I had money bc bitcoin, abandoned the former thing and pretended that I could succesfully work as a bitcoin broker, I made some good deals but all in all I was a very lame person in charge of my own business and it sucked. Now I realize I don't have money nor business, still a couple of bitcoins to go, but things aren't looking bright. Sucks.
mircea_popescu: worst comes to worst, arbolito or something hm ?
indiancandy1: used to sell smuggled electronics
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 argentines are worse than indians, i think the only law respected here is the law of gravity.
indiancandy1: can you bribe there?
mircea_popescu: sure.
indiancandy1: like in india you can bribe cops with small money
brendafdez: where can't you? but yes, i bet we're really bad re:law
BingoBoingo: Sounds awesome
brendafdez: You can bribe a cop with fifty pesos here, like 4 dollars
mircea_popescu: well it also depends what you're having him do.
brendafdez: in this case it was for crossing a red light
mircea_popescu: sounds more like he was trying to hit on you. i think ~1mn people jaywalk each day
BingoBoingo: Here they'd beat you for a $50 bribe because insulting
brendafdez: i was with a friend, he sorted it out with the cop
indiancandy1: where do you live brenda
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's really like old new york, no fucking body cares what the lights say.
brendafdez: buenos aires
davout: mircea_popescu: "sounds more like he was trying to hit on you. i think ~1mn people jaywalk each day" <<< massive understatement, unless you mean jaywalk and get fined for it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48150 @ 0.00032276 = 15.5409 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah. I'm also guessing there you don't get SWAT called for okra
mircea_popescu: davout no, just meant in caba
brendafdez: not jaywalking, he was driving a car
davout: ah
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 347971 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 796 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46579597406.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.7879
indiancandy1: mp is in bueno aires
mircea_popescu: so i heard.
brendafdez: most arbolitos work for a certain broker, i couldn't do that, I was my own market basically, i had money on btc-e and bitstamp and made there the trades i made with people here otc, like for instance, someone buys 5 btc, i buy 5 btc on bitstamp/btc-e, someone sells 2 btc i sell 2 btc. That was the theory, of course there was a spread and to me one year ago that soiunded like it could work, and sometimes it did, but there were many u
brendafdez: nplanned issues. Also form what arbolitos tell me, they can basically do the trade at 'the cave' basically at the same time if they don't have both buyer and seller, and they are running out of money on one end. But I couldn't do that, there were times when I would in fact run out of money in the exchanges and had trades which i took at my own risk, and that was a very bad thing.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez this because you're in principle against being an employee ?
brendafdez: i am not
mircea_popescu: so then ? of course you work for someone.
mircea_popescu: that's how you learn to stop sucking at being your own boss, among other things
mircea_popescu: such as, how to give killer blowjobs.
brendafdez: maybe...
indiancandy1: ahahah mp always have to include something naughty
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 defo. it's the new world! raunchy an' rude.
indiancandy1: lol
indiancandy1: my nipple is in agony
mircea_popescu: send it off to shovel snow.
indiancandy1: this peircing is such a ... dont even knw the word
Adlai: nagony!
davout: nipple piercing... thinking about it is already painful
indiancandy1: yea but its been almost 1year
indiancandy1: and the god damn thing aint healed yet
davout: do you to keep it that bad?
davout: *do you want to keep it that bad?
brendafdez: There was much less risk involved when I would sell shit, it was easier also, and besides I could bring many things via post shipments form DX, eBay and such (so I could many times spare the middle man), and it was just listing on MercadoLibre (local ebay equivalent), and most would sell, there wasn't much a way I could lose money, only it the thing didn't sell. I had to go and wait hours at customs, many times if the items weren't
brendafdez: expensive they would let me go without paying bc they had more interesting stuff going on with other people, i had to go to the post or bus station and make shippments. In hindsight those were the good times and doing it wasn't hard. Then I started dabbling with bitcoin, I had been reading the forums on and off since 2011, i was too stupid then [not that it has changed] and cpu solo mined, made nothing, didn't get the thing. Then I
brendafdez: bought some bitcoins via The Rock and VirWox with Linden Dollars, in the beggining of 2013, which was would seem a lucky move, but I wasn't able to do much with that.
Adlai startled to find himself converging upon http://flarelang.sourceforge.net/idioms.html#classes
assbot: Idioms of Flare ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoIAl6 )
Adlai: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: shal i invest in btc
Adlai !upped you for that?
brendafdez: I had a couple of opportunities to work for/with someone else but they didn't seem like a good deal, for instance one of the local brokers who was then dealing even lower amounts than I was and who wasn't an intersting person, and had a past of dealing substances ("knew the street") offered to start a business together. I rejected the offer, it seemed more risky and not the kind of people I'd want ot be associated with
davout: didn't you just say you were broke?
Adlai: indiancandy1: as mircea_popescu loves to say, bitcoin is a priviledge for those who can afford to throw away some money. mostly because you'll find yourself incredibly averse to spending them, once you realize their value
Adlai: even if the value goes up, and saner voices suggest selling for a profit... you'll want it to go highir!
indiancandy1: but i dont get the technical part though
Adlai: which part of it?
kakobrekla: what room is this?
Adlai: (the technical side of bitcoin has several parts which solve different problems)
Adlai: kakobrekla: the sister advice to what i told indiancandy1 is that if you have any money to waste, waste it on btc :)
indiancandy1: i do have money to waiste
mircea_popescu: Adlai incredibly averse < experientia docent ? :)
indiancandy1: you should open a btc consultancy guys
Adlai: ja
brendafdez: either that or a rehab farm
mircea_popescu: <indiancandy1> and the god damn thing aint healed yet << nipple piercings are horribru for this reason.
Adlai: more like Assoholics Anonymous
BingoBoingo: !up cjc
kakobrekla: im not anon
BingoBoingo: ^
cjc: thx
Adlai: Asscoholics WoTonymous
Adlai: sorry, wotonimous
mircea_popescu: only noobs are anon
Adlai: (when in venice, spell as the roma do)
mircea_popescu: brendafdez it wouldn't be that fat derp what's his face
indiancandy1: hahahaha
indiancandy1: i feel like im kinda addicted to come here
indiancandy1: as i have no work with btc
brendafdez: his face?
mircea_popescu: digicoins.io
mircea_popescu: dante something
brendafdez: can't confirm nor deny, not here at least. This offer happened in mid 2013, before the digicoins name was even invented :P
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: such a fucking derp.
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Could be worse. At least you aren't the start meth lab in the aisle at Walmart sort of addict.
BingoBoingo: ;;google walmart methlab trend
gribble: Meth lab uncovered inside restroom at Indiana Walmart | Fox 59: <http://fox59.com/2015/03/13/meth-lab-uncovered-inside-restroom-at-indiana-walmart/>; Meth lab found inside Walmart restroom in Indiana | WGN-TV: <http://wgntv.com/2015/03/13/meth-lab-found-inside-walmart-restroom-in-indiana/>; You Can Find Anything at Walmart ... Even a Meth Lab: (1 more message)
indiancandy1: we dont have walmart here
mircea_popescu: it's asda all the way!
indiancandy1: omg you know!
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/14705de95fdc4ce07244e95aea28981f/tumblr_n0yzsaTPDe1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg << this is how walmart looks in yurp
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ9Nfz )
indiancandy1: im not into drugs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw re pheasant phuckers : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu4fP4fOHE
assbot: Pinky and the Brain, Tongue Twister - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQa2av )
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 how come ?
indiancandy1: i prefer life sover
indiancandy1: sober
indiancandy1: i bet you get good cocaine in argentina
brendafdez: there's potential for regret about the things i'm saying here. Shit could end up hitting the fan, like it did with the cam thing.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 so i hear.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez errything's logged.
brendafdez: yep
indiancandy1: do you dabble?
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: im too rich to do drugs.
brendafdez: when will we have an oficial b-a miranda warning?
indiancandy1: not quite
indiancandy1: most rich people do drugs
indiancandy1: maybe rich in life :)
mircea_popescu: nah. that's poor people trying to see what it's like.
indiancandy1: to happy to need it
indiancandy1: im rich in life
indiancandy1: to do drugs
mircea_popescu: tits ?
BingoBoingo: The drugs thing and the bitcoin thing especially don't mix well
cjc: I surmised the ancient Egyptians had monoatomic gold which they snorted and ate --
cjc: and it increased the electromagnetic conductivity of their body system by 10,000 percent
cjc: that must have been like a drug
cjc: building the pyramids with their minds
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: superconducting pharoh.
cjc: yeah, monoatomic gold is a white powder not a metal
mircea_popescu looks through the logs, sees two womenz going "omfg you know" about wildly unrelated shit within the next 10 minutes
mircea_popescu figures he's getting a good deal on that intel dept.
brendafdez: ;)
Adlai: brendafdez: we call it the robert paulsen effect
Adlai: !s robert
assbot: 106 results for 'robert' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert
mircea_popescu: i thoughjt it was the hungarian spammer effect, robert vigh or w/e it was
Adlai: ;;google robert paulsen
gribble: Rob Paulsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Paulsen>; His Name is Robert Paulson - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCi_PIz5ekU>; Rob Paulsen - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0667326/>
Adlai: youtube fixed my typo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97300 @ 0.00032713 = 31.8297 BTC [+] {4}
Adlai: hah search.b-a is 3rd on google results for his name
mircea_popescu: !s robert viragh
assbot: 9 results for 'robert viragh' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert+viragh
brendafdez: i always think being the intel asset is a bad deal, for said asset that it. There always comes a point in which using that information is worth more than keeping the source.
mircea_popescu: this is an argument similar to "there always comes a point when a trusted party runs with the money"
mircea_popescu: this is not actually how life works.
brendafdez: thanks for pointing it out
Adlai: no, this is actually how cancer works
mircea_popescu: quite
mircea_popescu: for that matter, people who think in simple money terms end up outsourcing their industrial base to china and then wondering where the country went.
mircea_popescu: water is perhaps the best example of strict local optimizer. the water in your cup, much like the water in the hydroplant lake, would very much like to go lower, however... for lack of a direct path, there it stays.
mircea_popescu: easy to manipulate, easy to defeat. poor strat.
Adlai: water doesn't have a 'strategy' though, same way that corn didn't plan to enslave monkeys to grow more of it
mircea_popescu: well, it could be deemed to have a strategy , reducing to "pursue the shortest term maximal gain"
mircea_popescu: obviously this is not philosophically correct, but for our purpose here imo sufficient
Adlai: this is reducing the word 'strategy' to the same level as 'mobile strategy', 'social strategy', 'cloud strategy', etc
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: but this reduction is adequate given what's being contemplated here.
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
cazalla: http://www.xvideos.com/video6597817/shanti_sofia_redlightcentral_10.12.2013
assbot: Shanti Sofia RedLightCentral 10.12.2013 - XVIDEOS.COM ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQf9HC )
brendafdez: youtube-dl was the key to finally going flash-free, such a handy tool
mircea_popescu: cazalla anything good ?
cazalla: doesn't even remove knickers..
cazalla: such a tease, but never delivers the goods
cazalla: don't mind the darker areola, but that's on account pinks are in oversupply down under
mircea_popescu: isn't it unpatriotic to rub it to unenglish roses ?!
mircea_popescu: what'd the queen say!
cazalla: sif she hasn't had her way with the nigro garden over the years
cazalla: gardener even
mircea_popescu: ;;ud sif
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SIF | The SIF is quite adept at hiding his or her fat on the Internet. Usually a LiveJournal or MySpace user, they use Photoshop, high-constrast photos, and strategic ...
mircea_popescu: hm
cazalla: sif = as if
cazalla: perhaps australian thing, sif i'd know
brendafdez: cazalla, are you the guy i should contact if i want to steal from qntra?
cazalla: steal what? content?
brendafdez: yep :P
brendafdez: I've been translating a couple of articles http://brendafernandez.com/?s=qntra just three of them, not the press release with the cat poooping, for sure
assbot: qntra | Search Results | Brenda Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQgOgi )
cazalla: i would rather you didn't, but i'm not the type to play whack a mole by sending dmca takedowns
brendafdez: ok, just that, then i won't do it
brendafdez: just those three
cazalla: if you stick around, there is no reason why you couldn't write for qntra itself
brendafdez: but i like writing in spanish
brendafdez: if there aren't many sane voices in the english bitcoin space, imagine what it's like in spanish-land
cazalla: that's ok, perhaps we set you up as the spanish correspondent
mircea_popescu: it's a news site tho. i dun see it'd damage anything if she translates to spanish, provided something reasonable like say articles are a week old.
Adlai: there is also no reason why qntra qldn't issue shares for translations
brendafdez: so, qntra translations seemed cool :P, i atributed them, of course, but i know that's technically not enough
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i thought she meant copy/pasta word for word, english to spanish, i wouldn't have known unless she said so anyway
mircea_popescu: well if it's english to spanish it's necessarily not word for word, they use different words en castellan
Adlai: why not have language sections on qntra, with some lesser share issuence for translations?
mircea_popescu: Adlai because of the can of worms that "lesser share" opens
cazalla: if qntra were to ever publish in another language, chinesey and spanish would be the top 2 imo
mircea_popescu: prolly, yea
mircea_popescu: it is a huge language space, even if atm bitcoin poor.
Adlai: the only can opener in town belongs to qntra's editor in chief
mircea_popescu: Adlai nah, this is equity.
Adlai: ok, to the board, and they can put it to shareholder vote
Adlai: 3.2e
cazalla: brendafdez, anyway i only ask you refrain from reposting english articles, if you wish to translate ones to spanish, go for it but as mircea_popescu, perhaps give our own articles some time before doing so
mircea_popescu: shares don't vote, but anyway.
Adlai: http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=S.QNTR 3.2e !
assbot: S.QNTR last 9477@0.00021105 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqVdxC )
mircea_popescu: (e) S.QNTR shares do not have voting rights. ?
cazalla: as he said i meant to say (i'm tired)
Adlai is baffled by this discouragement of widening the audience
mircea_popescu: how's anything discouraged!
cazalla: hardly discouraged, a writer would earn a good amount of s.qntr translating our english articles
mircea_popescu: yeah, brendafdez why not do it directly for qntra ? you got a gpg id now and errything
mircea_popescu: cazalla does she get half share for translation or what ?
cazalla: indiancandy1, looks like you were upstaged by another indian named baby doll? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1c7hx6_baby-doll-is-a-copy-of-shanti-dynamite_shortfilms
assbot: BABY Doll is a Copy of Shanti Dynamite - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQjsCZ )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, to be discussed i guess
brendafdez: doing it directly for qntra would certainly be even better than just having permission to keep doing it on my own
mircea_popescu: brendafdez for that matter, you're fluent enough in english, can write news in english too
mircea_popescu: iirc cazalla was always short hands
brendafdez: but i don't like english ;) just wait until I've spent a few more btc and then I'll take anything :D
cazalla: bwahaa "The hot and sensuous Playboy host Shanti Dynamite has become the first Indian to get her nipples pierced and has thus created history."
mircea_popescu: last guy that liked english lived in like 1890
mircea_popescu: is that even true indiancandy1 ?!
mircea_popescu: i thought india fucking invented piercing, spread to arabs from there.
cazalla: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1x96xc_shanti-dynamite-s-painful-piercing-exclusive-coverage_news
assbot: Shanti Dynamite's Painful Piercing - Exclusive Coverage - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQk4bL )
indiancandy1: wasim shower
indiancandy1: was in shower
indiancandy1: what happened
mircea_popescu: there's worse places.
indiancandy1: lol
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 so are you earning 0.1 btc with your tits that made history yet ?
indiancandy1: whats 0.1
mircea_popescu: i dunno, like 30 bux
indiancandy1: i make more babes
indiancandy1: come on
mircea_popescu: aww
mircea_popescu: i guess gotta wait for btc to go up moar.
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: i dont use btc
indiancandy1: for work
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055074 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-w7SnQWwVA☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 09:53:29; indiancandy1: but i dont get the technical part though
assbot: Bitcoin - Overview - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQl2EK )
indiancandy1: i mean like if i buy bitcoin
indiancandy1: i gota constantly watch it and stuff i dont even know how to count just about
indiancandy1: so if i cant count normal numbers cant surely cant btc
mircea_popescu: you don;'t have to watch it, think of it as your retirement.
mircea_popescu: what you gonna do when you're old ?
indiancandy1: no clue
cazalla: she's gonna be a young starlet forever!
indiancandy1: ahaha never
mircea_popescu: lol
Adlai: well, you do need to watch out that you don't use bad security practices; the equivalent of not leaving wads of cash lying around in a busy restaurant when you go to the bathroom
indiancandy1: this guy who has a tv show on sahara 1 called kismat connections
indiancandy1: basically a fotune teller type neurology fellow
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 lemme show you something. http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 << bunch of dumb cocksuckers on a stripper forum were offered 1 btc free in 2012, wouldn't take it. was >1000 dollars.
assbot: Various kinds of stickiness pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqXrwO )
indiancandy1: told me i will have to overcome major obstacles but i will be succesful
Adlai: but if you've used good security initially, you don't need to "watch over" your bitcoin
brendafdez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSEwwOt_ic
assbot: No One Understands Bitcoins [Garlic Jackson Comedy] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqXtVy )
mircea_popescu: today's 0.1 btc may well be a fortune in a few years.
Adlai: brendafdez: hey now, i linked the 10min khanacademy, not the five-hours-and-counting princeton lectures
indiancandy1: the girls vagina on the left looks like a donner kebab
indiancandy1: to much meat going on
brendafdez: (:
cazalla: i don't mind that indiancandy1 :)
indiancandy1: mircea you look like lincoln
indiancandy1: in ur pic
cazalla: media might have you believe its men pushing women into labiaplasty but there you go, proof positive it's other bitches
indiancandy1: i read something about a 13 yr old not being laid
indiancandy1: wtf who condones such shit
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i was going more for lenin
indiancandy1: it has a flower
indiancandy1: growing in between her legs
indiancandy1: creature
indiancandy1: growler
indiancandy1: O GOD
mircea_popescu: you been showering in whiskey hon ?
cazalla: just the thought eh BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: cazalla try it sometime, drink champagne offa da twists.
cazalla: ;;ud twists
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twist | twist. a derogatory term used for someone who gets their kicks by playing mind games or toys with people's hearts. So she lead me on and then told me she was  ...
mircea_popescu: nah, irish for chick. like bird, ride is english for same.
cazalla: akay
indiancandy1: lmao
indiancandy1: i like ur dress sense mp
mircea_popescu: and ironically, cunt = guy.
mircea_popescu: why ty.
indiancandy1: cunt means pussy
mircea_popescu: nah.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah we use cunt here often
mircea_popescu: ;;google bigby was a hard cunt, but he wasn;t hard enough he didn't shit it at the thought of 20 years in gaol.
gribble: Trainspotting (1996) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/quotes>; Previously On: The Wolf Among Us - "Cry Wolf" - Giant Bomb: <http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/the-wolf-among-us-242094/previously-on-the-wolf-among-us-cry-wolf-1489157/>; To all the people who shot ***** - Telltale Community - Telltale Games: (1 more message)
cazalla: hence http://www.quickmeme.com/img/df/df1550588e4f322cdd9de8ab8c8d942f3616c06ab06764d7219734294389450b.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQn7kf )
davout: cazalla: lol
davout: such downunderness
indiancandy1: mp you should invest in me
indiancandy1: :)
cazalla: apparently cunt is quite offensive in the us
indiancandy1: btw did you watch 50shades
mircea_popescu: but your best assets are goingdown not up.
mircea_popescu: nah.
indiancandy1: aahahah
indiancandy1: u got jokes
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: cazalla only to pussies.
indiancandy1: cunt is very british
indiancandy1: word
mircea_popescu: alrighty cuties, i'll be off to go watch 50 shades of gray live.
indiancandy1: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
indiancandy1: where my invite
indiancandy1: take pics
davout: for my fellow dutch speakers http://i47.tinypic.com/15mdagw.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQtcgl )
brendafdez: doesn't the throat suffer from speaking dutch all day?
davout: :D
davout: i speakk french all day, kind of ashamed of my dutch atm
brendafdez: back before i lost my German to rust, i would hear people speak dutch and it felt like the broken dialect of those who couldn't speak with the mouth
brendafdez: the same happens to me with portuguese, which i walways perceive as broken spanish
davout: yeah, to me a german speaker sounds like a dutch speaker on cocaine
brendafdez: interesting stuff
brendafdez: cocaine, i mean
davout: lol
davout: does anyone here have stable nodes that I can add in my bitcoin.conf?
danielpbarron: height=283309 vs height=211544
danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5.txt << what's that thing you want me to do? I commented out "strip bitcoind"
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bdnoUM )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
chetty: http://venturevillage.eu/curiosity-and-ignorance
assbot: Curiosity and Ignorance (Or – Why expat life appeals to your inner child) ... ( http://bit.ly/1bdnn2V )
danielpbarron: !up shinohai
shinohai: ty danielpbarron. how goes it in the land of #bitcoin-assets
danielpbarron: it goes alright
danielpbarron: what brings you here?
danielpbarron: !up shinohai
shinohai: I lurk in here from time to time and read logs. Good community fr me to stay informed regarding bitcoin.
Adlai: better open your mouth and be corrected an idiot, than remain silent and drift about
shinohai: lol true.
shinohai: i am a bit of a bitcoin purist
kakobrekla: altcryptoextremist? allah akbar!
shinohai: I'm more if it isn't broke, why fix it kind of guy.
danielpbarron: !up shinohai
danielpbarron: shinohai, are you familiar with GPG?
chetty: <shinohai> I'm more if it isn't broke, why fix it kind of guy.// more of these needed in the world
nubbins`: chetty also more "if it's broke, fix it" people needed
nubbins`: man, that's a good cup of coffee.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00030874 = 8.5212 BTC [-]
mod6: danielpbarron: hi, so it looks like you built OpenSSL, BDB and Boost I'm guessing by the look of that log file? Now it looks like you need to compile bitcoin v0.5.3.1
mod6: What arch are you on x32|x64?
mod6: Anyway, if x32 ( I remember this had problems last week ) I'd be awesome if you could execute: `readelf --dynamic bitcoin/src/bitcoind`, but you have to have bitcoind built first.
mod6: s/I'd/It'd/
danielpbarron: that was the auto.sh thing
mod6: Sorry?
danielpbarron: the one linked on the front page of the foundation
mod6: I still don't follow.
mod6: Yeah, I linked the auto.sh script (v0.0.5) + signature to the website.
mod6: oh, I see what you did. heheh. Yeah, you need to have a directory of patched v0.5.3.1 source in 'bitcoin' first.
mod6: then place auto.sh in the same directory as 'bitcoin', then execute.
nubbins`: is this an arm cross-compile on x(32/64)?
mod6: nubbins`: no.
nubbins`: k
nubbins` wanders
mod6: v0.5.3.1-release is going to be x64 linux only.
nubbins`: proper thing
mod6: anyway, i'm in the process for rolling this release, so part of what I'm doing is putting the scripts required to build (such as auto.sh) on the website for reference.
nubbins`: i got bogged down last night trying to cross-compile arch linux for the pogo. osx is no fun
nubbins`: well. resolving clang/gcc incompatibilities is no fun
mod6: *nod*, yeah i truthfully don't know much about the entire pogo thing.
nubbins`: if i had a vanilla linux box here, it'd likely be no sweat
nubbins`: binutils really doesn't like clang
mod6: <+kakobrekla> altcryptoextremist? allah akbar! << lol
mod6: danielpbarron: so yeah, some extra instructions up there probably would have helped huh. i'll de-link those later.
mod6: i have this idea in my mind that people know what stuff is i guess.
mod6: turns out, lol, that's not true.
mod6: the release tarball will end up being linked up there. and the containing RELEASE_NOTES.txt file will point to the patch/script tarballs up there just so they're availble individually somewhere.
mod6: speaking of which, with any luck, I might have RC1 rolled by late tonight.
mod6: it'd would be cool, when i give you guys a link, if you could pull it down, and build it. (if you have a linux x64 machine, if not, don't bother)
nubbins`: i'll try it here just for badness
mod6: sweet nubbins`, thanks.
nubbins`: np
mod6: could be tonight, tomorrow on MPEx's birthday at the latest.
thestringpuller: mod6: is going to be x64 linux only << Why you disenfranchising 32bit users!
nubbins`: may not be linux but it's still POSIX compliant 8)
nubbins`: since 10.6! i had no idea)
mod6: for some reason, the only person built it on x32, and it didn't work. and I don't have time to work on that.
mod6: patches are welcome if you want to work on that.
mod6: otherwise that'll be available at a later time.
danielpbarron: why does everyone have 64 now?
mod6: bah. *only one person built it on x32
nubbins`: danielpbarron 'cos it's 2015 :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45282 @ 0.00031566 = 14.2937 BTC [+]
mod6: anyway, it certainly is a goal to support x32. it'll just be in the next release. this has been dragging out too long.
mod6: need to get this one wrapped up.
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: finish making the suit before you hem the pants
mod6: *nod* and as previously discussed, we'll be doing shorter release cycles going forward. none of this 4.5 month type stuff if possible.
mod6: bottom line here is, we don't wanna paint ourselves into a corner. so we're going to work towards shorter releases.
nubbins`: early/often is the way to go
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-rage-of-cultural-elites.html << [guest article] mega-l0l on 'colour revolutions', 'orcs vs humans' dynamic, zombie hordes of victoria nulands, and other joys of modern geodiddlomatics and usgmancy
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Rage of the Cultural Elites ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrL2Jb )
gribble: Error: "guest" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-rage-of-cultural-elites.html << (guest article) mega-l0l on 'colour revolutions', 'orcs vs humans' dynamic, zombie hordes of victoria nulands, and other joys of modern geodiddlomatics and usgmancy
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Rage of the Cultural Elites ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrLas1 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'The Victoria Nuland clone army, like a cruel, evil, insidious high school rumor, like the reflection of a witch’s face in a polluted river, spread and flew into every crevice and corner of this land, high and low, far and wide. We encounter her avatars and lookalikes everywhere—in Hollywood, in the publishing houses, universities, school boards, kindergartens, in elevators on the way to our offices, and of course, on the
asciilifeform: pages of the Washington Post and the New York Times.'
chetty: G4 magnetic storm for you guys in the northern Hemi, might want to unplug anything that doesnt have a surge protector
asciilifeform: 100% inverter-power here (the mains current in this town is, well, soviet-grade)
chetty: somehow I knew asciilifeform would be fully ready :D
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990074.msg10802175#msg10802175
assbot: CanaryInTheMine is further abusing the trust system [Edit] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRCUz4 )
nubbins`: hay look mircea_popescu got paraphrased
thestringpuller refreshes contravex
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: lol working on it ;)
pete_dushenski: cobbling through my plane ride notes
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu how could i miss that nice argentinean girl's flattering translation ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: back in canadia-land?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: indeed!
pete_dushenski: and a little more tanned than usual
pete_dushenski: i'm not much for the beach
pete_dushenski: but the hotel had a couple of tennis courts and the head pro was a beauty so i played with him for a few hours here and there
pete_dushenski: he trains the national junior squad, one of whom we even had as our ball boy !
pete_dushenski: i'd never had a ball boy before and it. was. sweet.
pete_dushenski: desmond brown was the name of the pro
thestringpuller: lol i have a few jamaican coworkers
thestringpuller: i constantly troll them cause they write Visual C#
pete_dushenski: i'd almost go back just to hang out with him
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: lol those rastas!
thestringpuller: were you there on spring breaka
pete_dushenski: sorta kinda but really more just a(nother) trip
pete_dushenski: i'm not in school
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: retired traveller
thestringpuller: lol
pete_dushenski: only semi!
pete_dushenski: there's quite the jamaican diaspora
pete_dushenski: here it's nurses, some places i guess it's coders
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: where do you live again ?
pete_dushenski: all i remember is somewhere in usia
pete_dushenski: the interesting part of the jamaican diaspora is that... they go back after a few decades!
pete_dushenski: strangest diaspora i ever did hear of
thestringpuller: i live in the lost city of Atlanta
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell peterl as if scoopbot's continued ignorance of contravex weren't enough... " Warning: file_get_contents(http://bablogs.btcscoop.com/blogroll.cgi) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 504 Gateway Time-out in /home/btcscoop/public_html/bablogs/index.php on line 8" on bablogs.btcscoop.com
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: ah yes, ty
thestringpuller: oh wow the scoop is down!
pete_dushenski: mya
thestringpuller: alright pete_dushenski I will talk to you soon. I'm off to brave the traffic for lunch.
thestringpuller: i'll keep refreshing contravex ;)
pete_dushenski: cheers mate!
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z8j78/i_introduced_bitcoin_to_a_room_full_of_people_and/
assbot: I introduced Bitcoin to a room full of people and was applauded : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19wnLsM )
nubbins`: no need to click, all relevant info in page title.
nubbins`: FWIW, 541 upvotes
nubbins`: "You're doing a great service to this community. Thank you."
pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin can power the Internet of Things (IoT). Vending machines could order their own new merchandise, replacement parts, etc. Self-driving cars could pay for faster lanes, toll roads, etc. to speed up your trip (borrowed that idea from a Winklevoss talk)." << goodness gracious
pete_dushenski: "Everything is tiny in the grand scheme!" << hey, reddit commenter understands his own impotence. progress!
davout: http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/someone-did-a-shit-so-bad-a-british-airways-flight-had-to-turn-around-and-land-475
assbot: Someone On a British Airways Plane Took a Shit So Bad That It Had to Turn Around and Come Back Again | VICE | Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/19wrpD4 )
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: brave the traffic for lunch?
ben_vulpes: cars are just such a bad idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00032681 = 13.4482 BTC [+]
Adlai: who are the golang fanboys here? artifexd etal, anyoya read CSP or some of the descendant literature?
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/17/primitivity-and-advancement/
assbot: Primitivity and advancement. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gk7wJI )
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPIvqJsCOSo << wences
assbot: Bitcoin: The New Gold Standard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lpl3pK )
Adlai: pete_dushenski: what's that mural
pete_dushenski: it's in melbourne at the central train terminal
pete_dushenski: flinders street railway station
pete_dushenski: opened in 1854 though the mural is a newer addition
Adlai likes it, too bad it's in foster's hellhole
pete_dushenski: like foster the beer ? or...
Adlai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster%27s_rule
assbot: Foster's rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpodK8 )
pete_dushenski: "he proposed the simple explanation that smaller creatures get larger when predation pressure is relaxed (due to the absence of some of the predators of the mainland) and larger creatures become smaller when food resources are limited (due to land area constraints)."
Adlai: except in the case of australia, where everything gets larger
Adlai: thus - hellhole.
pete_dushenski: eh not sure i buy this "rule"
Adlai: good thing it's not for sale!
pete_dushenski: no doubt that oz has some large spiders and whatnot
Adlai: fwiw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_gigantism#Examples
assbot: Island gigantism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LppReN )
Adlai: this is a "rule" in the same sense that evolution is "more than just a theory"
Adlai: simplest known explanation for the observed facts
pete_dushenski: why grow larger when predation pressure is reduced though ?
pete_dushenski: why not just multiply in greater numbers ?
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pete_dushenski: dinosaurs were freaking enormous and had plenty of predation pressures
pete_dushenski: it seems to me that diversity and complexity explain smaller animals
pete_dushenski: that is, more diversity and complexity in an environment will lead to smaller, more nimble animals with shorter gestations
Adlai: it's an adjustment of the available organisms to the available niches
Adlai: you don't always get larger animals, foster's rule just talks about _change_
Adlai: although a medium predator which migrates to a new land where it's the largest predator will find little resistance in becoming a stronger, larger, etc predator (up to a point, but that point will be larger than its current size)
pete_dushenski: you might see more diversity in the new environment but why larger and stronger ?
pete_dushenski: it's already large and strong enough to be top dog
pete_dushenski: it'd be expensive to support a larger organism and might crush the supporting food web
Adlai: these fresh arrivals came from a place where they experienced downwards pressure from larger predators
pete_dushenski: right
pete_dushenski: and now they're in a new environment without said pressures
Adlai: their size upon arrival is already the product of those expenses, but together with additional competition from larger animals, forcing them further down
pete_dushenski: maybe down in numbers but why also down in size ?
pete_dushenski: why aren't there then mini-zebras roaming the serengetti
Adlai: smaller organisms are more efficient
Adlai: ... up to a point
Adlai: (muscle power varies by the cross-sectional area, but the weight it must move varies by the volume)
Adlai: in general though these are all nonlinear advantages, and their nonlinearity varies among ecosystems
pete_dushenski: granted
chetty: <<< still wonders how dinosaurs even walked ...wouldn't they need steel bones to hold up all that mass?
Adlai: slowly.
Adlai: the ones that ran - velocipator, orinthomimus - weren't larger than say a stallion
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: and for good reason, too.
mircea_popescu: mostly to do with cooling.
pete_dushenski: ya, i don't suppose dinos sweated
mircea_popescu: nope. reptiles generally work on the principle of the wound spring in more than one respect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically enough, i consider myself cultural elites. cause if not that, wtf else.
mircea_popescu: i get it that everyone everywhere, say the derps on argentina, or the derps on the internet exactly alike and exactly for the same reasons identifies as this "workman" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: but for one thing it's bullshit and for the other thing, it doesn't really wash.
pete_dushenski: reptiles: springs, mammals: internal combustion
mircea_popescu: workable analogy imo.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what's your take on this "foster's rule" thing ?
mircea_popescu: seems to fit the data.
pete_dushenski: hm ok, i'll take
pete_dushenski: "Compliance startup Chainalysis was forced to defend itself today after allegations its surveillance tactics had disrupted services and threatened the privacy of bitcoin users.
pete_dushenski: The Swiss company, headed by ex-Kraken COO Michael Grønager and former Mycelium engineer Jan Møller, created over 250 'false' bitcoin nodes to harvest information on the whereabouts of transactions. The firm claims these nodes have now been shut down."
mircea_popescu: heh.
pete_dushenski: ^cazalla BingoBoingo thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: "we got better at hiding them nao"
pete_dushenski: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978088.msg10771025#msg10771025
assbot: Is someone monitoring large parts of the network? (evidence+firwall rules) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpyBl9 )
mircea_popescu: really there was absolutely no reason (apart from their tim swansonesque contemptuous idiocy) to make the nodes visible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "It so happened that my aunt, then a sensitive and somewhat dreamy young woman, had stubbornly and haplessly clung to certain musical tastes which at that time in China came to be regarded as politically incorrect, being said, in the trendy ideological jargon of that time, to reflect “decadent bourgeois revisionist aesthetics.” To wit, my aunt had kept in her record collection a rendition of “The
mircea_popescu: Urals Mountain-Ash” (Уральская Рябинушка), a Russian folk song in which a young girl meets two nice boys under a mountain-ash tree and must choose between them"
mircea_popescu: i agree with the chinese. the part where the young girl chooses is utterly burgeois, and the part where a choice is made is definitely reactionary.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: have nodes always been "visible" ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not the point. the point is that if you make a spy node, you have no conceivable reason to make it act outwardly in any way other than a common node.
mircea_popescu: these were fucking broken, mostly because the "Swiss company" is a bunch of poor ass niggards with delusions of grandeur.
mircea_popescu: "in 1972, which culminated in Nixon's historic handshake with Mao Zedong, completing China's civilizational pivot away from the USSR and toward the west. In hindsight, this dramatic opening could only be properly characterized as a swift dagger-in-the-back against the USSR"
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, these ignorant clods. asciilifeform srsly, cluborlov is this collection of almanach-educated twerps.
nubbins`: niggards!
nubbins`: that's more germanic of you than usual
mircea_popescu: ;;google niggardly
gribble: Controversies about the word "niggardly" - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22>; Urban Dictionary: niggardly: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=niggardly>; Niggardly - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/niggardly>
mircea_popescu: i guess swedish counts as german.
pete_dushenski: such controversy
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski no but it is typical of what i'm talking about.
mircea_popescu: some people who don't own a dictionary got opinions about the usage of words.
mircea_popescu: some people who don't own a history book gather on a blogspot to emit nonsense.
mircea_popescu: same principle.
pete_dushenski: likewise, some people who don't own a bitcoin gather around a reddit to imagine they matter
mircea_popescu: and on and on and fucking on it goes!
nubbins`: again:
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2z8j78/i_introduced_bitcoin_to_a_room_full_of_people_and/
assbot: I introduced Bitcoin to a room full of people and was applauded : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpCdnn )
mircea_popescu: virgins experts in dating, dependent adolescents experts in "making money", otakus writing books on how to meet and influence people, etc etc etc.
pete_dushenski: only the cultists see the light eh
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: once was enough
nubbins`: nevermind that this is not evidence of the awesomeness of bitcoin, but of the fact that the audience was at least feigning politeness
Adlai: mircea_popescu: what's your take on this "what's your take" thing?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` clearly if he was applauded by a whole roomfull of people he's not a total failure.
nubbins`: right?
nubbins`: ultimate validation
mircea_popescu: Adlai i dunno.
nubbins`: he probably took a bow
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i once took a girl out to the very nice theatre in my home town, 1800s baroque building, and we sat in the presidential seats and at some point i started applauding
mircea_popescu: and the whole fucking hall started applauding
mircea_popescu: she was... a little unraveled.
mircea_popescu: (tru story, too)
mircea_popescu: but it was a coincidence.
nubbins`: not bad
Adlai: dev behind popular open-source-closed-dev spv wallet is also behind a sybil attack to correlate transactions with jurisdictions... so that's why local trader is so cheap!
nubbins`: i started a slow-clap once that spread to about 7k people
mircea_popescu: Adlai heh.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's infectious, right ?
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: esp. if you look around and nod while you're doing it
Adlai: was the theater clap not at a typical claptime?
mircea_popescu: these weren't even 1k, and romanians are very herdy animals, and were more so back then.
mircea_popescu: Adlai was not.
mircea_popescu: so i'm having cognac and chocolate cookies for breakfast at 3pm. this can't be bad for me, can it ?
Adlai: doesn't have to be 'coincidence' though, could just be that you reacted fastest out of all the clappy folk, giving the illusion of causality/coincidence
Adlai: long as the choclate's dark
mircea_popescu: Adlai the bit was to my taste, which is why i clapped. my tastes are rather... odd, but i guess it's possibru.
mircea_popescu: it is, yes.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez: the same happens to me with portuguese, which i walways perceive as broken spanish << to me it sounds like a bunch of russians trying to pretend they're speaking latin.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055359 << lol @ the problems this dude has.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 14:03:07; chetty: <shinohai> I'm more if it isn't broke, why fix it kind of guy.// more of these needed in the world
mircea_popescu: "Citizens ask for permission, expats ask for forgiveness" << maybe he should ask for a nailgun.
Adlai: I Asked For A Railgun But All I Got Was This Northop-Grumman T-Shirt
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055381 << check it out, we fixed an apple fanboi!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 14:46:42; nubbins`: i got bogged down last night trying to cross-compile arch linux for the pogo. osx is no fun
nubbins`: hey now
mircea_popescu: next we're gonna be fixing fags and jews.
nubbins`: watch who you're calling a fanboi!
mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-aryan
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055382 << having never looked at those, what % would you say are deliberate / marketing dept induced, and what % are inept / engineering dept induced ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 14:47:01; nubbins`: well. resolving clang/gcc incompatibilities is no fun
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055388 << and your excuse would be that it's perl anyway, right ? :D☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 14:50:43; mod6: i have this idea in my mind that people know what stuff is i guess.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
Adlai: aryan humor: cd /usr && ln -s usr ich
mircea_popescu: ;p;
Adlai: er shit, s/usr//
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: hall started applauding << did it come with a built-in 'stop clap bell' ?
ascii_field: (iirc stalin's courtiers invented these)
mircea_popescu: lol nope. i am aware i sound more and more hruschev-ian, but no, i didn't have a bunch of muscle with clubs interspersed in the general public.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ...or the derps on the internet exactly alike and exactly for the same reasons identifies as this "workman" bullshit << wai wat. confused
ascii_field: if you make a spy node, you have no conceivable reason to make it act outwardly in any way other than a common node << that this was a secret to anyone, is profoundly mindfucking
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what is "Are ‘we’—the Americans I have lived and studied and worked with for years" and "who once made a living hell out of our fresh, green and naïve college days" iuf not direct translation of "we the workers" ?
Adlai: the whole security model of bitcoin is that every node is a spy node
ascii_field: that it was detectable suggests an intimidation play - 'we're watching' - rather than actual intent to grab useful info
Adlai: !s malice incompetence
assbot: 19 results for 'malice incompetence' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=malice+incompetence
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it is not a secret to anyone except the completely imbecile "experts" the usg has historically and continues to "use" in it's quest to build itself as a bitcoin power independent from mpex.
mircea_popescu: so far this is progressing admirably.
mircea_popescu: Adlai you don't say.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no dude, it's a simple, 5 yo would want to pretend she's a sophisticated college student like her old sister, so she does the best she can.
mircea_popescu: in this case, she's reading das kaptial held upside down.
ascii_field: latipak sad.
mircea_popescu: that's the la hockey team right ?
ascii_field: these schmucks could have hired a kid who handles, e.g., botnets, for a fraction of the cost
ascii_field: or a starving maths grad student, same
ascii_field: and, imho, bitcoin doesn't 'really work' unless it can laugh off everybody on the planet doing the sibyl crap all day, every day
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you miss the point where they do not wish to do that, for exactly the reasons i will not hire tim swanson.
mircea_popescu: and there are no uppity white kids in stanford running botnets
mircea_popescu: so they're stuck.
ascii_field: well yes, 'aryans only'
mircea_popescu: well so then.
mircea_popescu: if they don't let THEIR boys rape and i do, when it comes to war my boys will rape their boys and that's that.
ascii_field: but they could conceivably build a sharashka
ascii_field: for 'untermenschen' to toil, uncredited, in
mircea_popescu: but i appreciate the opportunity to check this out experimentally - gangrape is fun for a majority of those involved.
mircea_popescu: they could, if they had a stalin.
mircea_popescu: they don't have a stalin.
mircea_popescu: in fact, they don't even have the vague approximation of a stalin where a guy says to his golddigger harpy "if you fuck another black man i'm going tyo hung you both by your toes, and if you struggle i won't let you go", and then does it when she fucks another black guy.
mircea_popescu: they don't have as much of a stalin as a uni professor that goes " all women, stand up and strip naked or go the fuck home".
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: this is a very small amount of stalin to not have.
ascii_field: how am i to know that, e.g., dick cheney, isn't hunting little gurlz for sport in arizona desert as we speak ?
ascii_field: or hanging his mistress by the toe
mircea_popescu: orly.
mircea_popescu: are you just pursuing this for the sake of the theoretical purity or do you actually hold this view ?
ascii_field: just confessing that it isn't clear to me that such a thing is impossible or even improbable
ascii_field: but i've no intel. team, yes.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> are you just pursuing this for the sake of the theoretical purity or do you actually hold this view ? << Well Cheney did have a good humor about shooting his patron in the face
mircea_popescu: (the first cvasi-stalin is, of course, Donald Sterling. the second is, of course, that guy with the "women in scinece" what's his name. i'm noteven going into the story of petreus)
ascii_field distinctly recalls mircea_popescu's 'he is not lizardhitler who does his hitlering in private only'
mircea_popescu: right ?
ascii_field: but as i gather, the usg-elite consciously walks this line - unlimited debauchery in private, idiot paper-pushing in public
mircea_popescu: bs.
mircea_popescu: what, exactly, is this debauchery ?
mircea_popescu: like, you ever drove by the walled compound where some general is keeping his harem ?
mircea_popescu: no, brunei and saudi arabia elite walks this line.
mircea_popescu: the us is a bunch of impoverished derps with airs.
mircea_popescu: "oh, the luxury of paying 48658609485609850 for a condo."
mircea_popescu: "yeah, well done."
ascii_field underscores that he does not know anything re: how ted turner of w. buffett pass their time, or did when young men - but has quasi-educated guess that may or may not be worth the neurons it's printed on
mircea_popescu: you know plenty of how wb passed / passes his time, he's quite public about it.
mircea_popescu: indescript house in omaha, married, with children. about as boring as it gets.
mircea_popescu: nttawwi, on the grounds of one man, he can do w/e the fuck he pleases.
mircea_popescu: but, again, how many walled compounds are in wash dc holding the harems of obama, the shah of this and the bey of that ?
ascii_field: but what kind of lizard aristocrat is that. pssh.
mircea_popescu: visit brunei sometime, for srsly.
mircea_popescu: preferably take a girl with you, can prolly get a decent price.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually there are tremendously posh residences, complete with tall walls, here - ones which would not look entirely out of place in brunei
mircea_popescu: you're eliding my main point.
mircea_popescu: else what, the world government is in gizeh, egypt ? poshest uninhabited structures on earth ?
ascii_field: so mircea_popescu tells us that total brezhnevification in usa ? the aristos sit & nervously smoke all day, and nurse their arthritis ?
mircea_popescu: it is my understanding.
BingoBoingo: Doesn't seem wrong
mircea_popescu: the people who try to have a good time are generally 2nd or 3rd echelon,
mircea_popescu: and in fact it goes as far as to work for a sign. does he look like he's having a good time ? he has no power.
mircea_popescu: which is a large part of what's so confounding about yours truly, in those quarters.
mircea_popescu: schroedinger mp.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055427 << hey, great piece. congrats to the winners.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 15:55:40; nubbins`: hay look mircea_popescu got paraphrased
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: recall limonov's piece re: herr gadaffi ?
ascii_field: it was about entirely this
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055382 << having never looked at those, what % would you say are deliberate / marketing dept induced, and what % are inept / engineering dept induced ? <<< on the surface, it's just shirt buttons on the left side vs the right.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 14:47:01; nubbins`: well. resolving clang/gcc incompatibilities is no fun
mircea_popescu: aha
nubbins`: i.e. places where there's wiggle room in the spec, one zigs where the other zags
ascii_field: !s llvm
assbot: 34 results for 'llvm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=llvm
ascii_field: ^ some good material in log re: how and why it came to exist at all
mircea_popescu: i dunno if i'm the only one who saw brasil - but whenever i see that sorta thing i remember the workmen that cut the holes for the police to bust into homes.
ascii_field: yes!
nubbins`: as usual, alf has a better understanding than i
ascii_field: one of the greatest films about essence of usg
mircea_popescu: it's pretty good. maybe i'm distributring name tags at conference all reading Mr. Tuttle
nubbins`: w/ deniro?
ascii_field: Buttle
ascii_field: mega-film.
mircea_popescu: yup
ascii_field heartily recommends 'brazil' to everyone
mircea_popescu: certainly put gilliam on the map for me. and then imaginarium...
ascii_field: another mega-film!
mircea_popescu: you seen imaginarium nubbins` ?
mircea_popescu: that and barbarella is what i imagine you grew up on.
BingoBoingo: Everyone knows mircea_popescu grew up on Dallas
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol actually, lemme give you the shortlist : http://trilema.com/grabeste-te-incet http://trilema.com/signore-e-signori-buonanotte http://trilema.com/nesustinabila-negreutate-a-nemortii http://trilema.com/laile-ou-la-cuisse http://trilema.com/2012/la-terra-trema/
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assbot: La Terra Trema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsCbHh )
mircea_popescu: the english stuff i saw much later.
jurov: ben_vulpes rly? you want patches for makeshift build scripts?
jurov: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1054768 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 05:07:10; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000034.html << why not a patch file for this? just to make me diff it myself?
jurov: mod6 you see, we have a release indeed. ppl demand patchezzz!!!
mircea_popescu: haga
BingoBoingo: Release party!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055438 << it's BELL boy. as aptly explained for tim roth's benefit in 4 rooms, "they ring the bell, ya hop!"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 16:27:58; pete_dushenski: he trains the national junior squad, one of whom we even had as our ball boy !
mircea_popescu: wait, nm. tennis, ma bad.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055504 << not really, no. they had a little less preditors than hippos would if there were no humans.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 18:44:42; pete_dushenski: dinosaurs were freaking enormous and had plenty of predation pressures
pete_dushenski: yes, with the little yellow fuzzy ball!
pete_dushenski: and i'll stop derping about dinos now
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055519 << by and large, this depends on how you measure efficiency. rabbits are larger than chickens, but more efficient, under the "food to usable foodstuff" conversion paradigm. turkeys are larger than chickens and less efficient. etc.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 18:50:07; Adlai: smaller organisms are more efficient
mircea_popescu: generally birds are inefficient because of the 42 degrees problem. but also, polar bears eat a lot more than lions, per body kg.
ben_vulpes: 42 degrees problem?
Adlai was referring specifically to growth ratios: quadratic muscle strength vs cubic mass
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: just found out today co-manager is romanian
thestringpuller: you guise be reppin' hard
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes birds maintain 42 degrees body temperatures, vs your 36.5
mircea_popescu: that's expensive at rest (it's also the only reason they can fly, larger buffer to absorb the heat they can't dissipate)
mircea_popescu: (this is why birds hang out in trees while reptiles hang out on rocks - birds need the shade, lizards need the heat)
Adlai: camels have a range of liveable body temperatures, like a reptile but not. verging upon the... reptilian.
mircea_popescu: tru
pete_dushenski: 42 degrees would, i suppose, explain why there aren't any pterodactyl-sized birds
mircea_popescu: Adlai you ever slept in the desert, camels lined up to break the cold wind ?
Adlai: ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel#Ecological_and_behavioral_adaptations )
assbot: Camel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNHPA9 )
Adlai: fuxake, we have tents yknow
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski look into large eagles.
Adlai: and armored vehicles
mircea_popescu: Adlai ha! i'm one ahead :D
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> you seen imaginarium nubbins` ? <<< of dr parnassus or w/e?
mircea_popescu: actually chetty was on that trip!
mircea_popescu: yup
nubbins`: nod. some years back, through a haze of mixed intoxicants: "is that tom waits?"
Adlai has slept in the desert without anything breaking the wind...
Adlai has also ridden camels, but years ago on a school thingy
Adlai: roughly a decade by now, around 5 BC
Adlai: s/C/G/
nubbins`: actually iirc there's a zine somewhere in this house that mentions a woman w the last name popescu
Adlai: "before genesis"
nubbins`: iifrc, the title of the piece was "a list of people whose houses i am no longer allowed in"
mircea_popescu: lol ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#comment-113144 heh.
assbot: Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNInWG )
mircea_popescu: that's a mildly interesting problem : calculate the probability of naturally occuring exact geometric shapes of a given metal and mass.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: wait so where do the emphases go in your name? MEER-sha po-PES-ku ?
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: first-and-penultimate convention
thestringpuller: I'm going to prounounce is MER-KUH
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: jk
Adlai: first-and-penultimate is itself first-and-pe-null-tim-et
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: you know you should prolly look into ipa rather than that atrocity w/e it is.
chetty: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/01/25/scandnavian-men-leaving-feminists-to-themselves/
assbot: Scandinavian Men Leaving Feminists to Themselves - The Spearhead ... ( http://bit.ly/1BNJ5U0 )
Adlai: ipa? atrocity?
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/openssl-severe-vulnerability-to-be-revealed-march-19th/
mircea_popescu: i dunno what "meer-sha" is supposed to sound like.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/coinapult-reports-hot-wallet-compromise/
mircea_popescu: i know what mirˈt͡ʃe̯a is supposed to sound like
Adlai is biologist today, not philologist
funkenstein_: all this talk of companies losing peoples money makes me think i should give up and just trust some company with all my money
funkenstein_: either that or time to open up a wallet service
Adlai: this is why you should only trust people with your money, never companies
BingoBoingo: I forget what group was behing the silver cold storage buttplug?
Adlai: http://w.b-a.link/user/slush
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18DVYpo )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60540 @ 0.00031891 = 19.3068 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00032485 = 6.8543 BTC [+]
cazalla: pete_dushenski: it's in melbourne at the central train terminal <<< they've slowly chipped away at that place, replacing the old with the new, personally i don't see it as anything special, stench of stale piss surrounds it
Adlai: sounds like my slum
mircea_popescu: http://blog.cakebet.com/clarity-shines-fud/ << who's this incidentally ?
assbot: Clarity Shines Through The FUD - CBB: CakeBet Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1xcxAH1 )
danielpbarron: that's the nakamoto institute guy
mircea_popescu: with some dubious casino ?
danielpbarron: i wasn't aware of his involvement with that; i just see his name attributed at the end of the article
danielpbarron: !gettrust danielkrawisz
assbot: Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user danielkrawisz: Level 1: -2, Level 2: 1 via 5 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/danielkrawisz | http://w.b-a.link/user/danielkrawisz
mircea_popescu: "Francis Fondant"
PeterL: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I dunno what you're talking about, looks like its working fine for me?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "Your LinkedIn account says you’re in Sweden, so perhaps English is not your native language. That’s cool. Spanish was my first language, so I feel you. However, your generalization about women is a reprehensible bromide."
mircea_popescu: i just picked myself off the floor
mircea_popescu: in other news, tithat. http://40.media.tumblr.com/a8d148fd90a47d247323ab5c2cb81c7b/tumblr_mh2pkwkHTk1r7r92mo1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHYl9D )
mircea_popescu: http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/96861298768/on-reliable-guides-and-bayesianism << the trouble with the world is that the well informed are weak and the ignorant headstrong.
assbot: Wading In — On Reliable Guides and Bayesianism ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHZbTL )
mircea_popescu: that article should have been dripping invective. but of course, such is not possible. so random internet imbecile reads it and moves on, unbothered. HE IS LESS WRONG
mircea_popescu: and utterly stupid.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You might enjoy http://bulabula.org/papers/2015/asiabsdcon/ just keep in mind this is one of the devs, don't go all twitter fatwah
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHZcHy )
mircea_popescu: hahaha
BingoBoingo: It sucks that the thing is a slide deck, but at least it is a series of images and not a ppt or pdf turd
danielpbarron: lol
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: How's the imac doing?
danielpbarron: very well
danielpbarron: done with g4, now working on a g3
BingoBoingo: Cool
danielpbarron: the hard drives are failing but it's good enough
danielpbarron: i may buy a bunch of ssd drives
BingoBoingo: Replacing those shouldn't be hard
danielpbarron: i think i could resell these things
danielpbarron: openbsd is such a pleasure to work with
danielpbarron: it does exactly what i expect it to do
BingoBoingo: AH, replacing the hard drives requires thermal paste
danielpbarron: yeah replacing parts in mac stuff is not easy but it's not impossible
danielpbarron: i don't know about thermal paste, but it's not like i can just pop off a panel and swap the drive
BingoBoingo: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iMac+G4+17-Inch+Model+M9168LLA+Hard+Drive+Replacement/4176 << Part of what you remove to get to the HD connects to the CPU's waste heat removal path
assbot: iMac G4 17" Model M9168LLA Hard Drive Replacement - iFixit ... ( http://bit.ly/1MI1eY4 )
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure I still have my torx screwdriver for the real B&W Macs somewhere around here
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BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Curious yet to see if the G4 can catch up to the Pogos?