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phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-21#1411699 experimental though, i think the only uploaded patch is this guy http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-21 03:16 phf: ok so http://btcbase.org/upload now works. takes seal and vpatch and saves it to uploads patchset http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=uploads. uploads patchset inherits from experimental, which in turn inherits from stable. those who'd like to upload a patch are welcome to give it a try and let me know if it doesn't work.
phf: but so far it's been just me uploaded announced patches whenever i see one
mod6: ah. you're missing a number of the later patches, but maybe that's because it's "shiva" ?
phf: I might've missed some, but I also I've never quite settled on a working "press". I'll revisit it once log settles
mod6: no worries, just wanted to make sure you're aware.
phf: So patches might be there, but not in press, or in a wrong patchset, or...
phf: Thanks!
shinohai: curl -F 'vpatch=@foo.vpatch' -F 'seal=@bar.sig' http://btcbase.org/upload <<< neat!
mod6: XXX btcbase upload ^
mod6: anyway, yeah, i'll find sometime in the next week maybe to try this one out personally and rebase if required.
mod6: thanks a lot for looking through that.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, my 'ada 2012 ref man.' is here.
asciilifeform: costliest dead tree i bought in ~decade.
asciilifeform: and fully 2x the thickness of the ada '05 one.
asciilifeform: to no surprise (for folks who've been paying attention), unlike just about every other known case, the extra mass is all goodstuff
asciilifeform: in unrelated but fall-off-your-chair-gutbusting lulz,
asciilifeform: https://files.gpg4win.org << guess how they package the source.
asciilifeform: srsly i could not make this up if i tried !
asciilifeform: motherfucking exe !
asciilifeform: but they also have normal-looking tarballs? wtf.
asciilifeform: why is there a .mid music file in there ?!
asciilifeform: and a dll loader 'helper' l0l
asciilifeform: who can be arsed, go, read.
asciilifeform: circus.
shinohai: #fail
asciilifeform: BEST OF ALL,
asciilifeform: that src tarball (latest) is ~6MB, and DOES NOT INCLUDE GPG SOURCE
asciilifeform: or any other deps
asciilifeform: INSTEAD, it has a manifest list and a loader...
asciilifeform: SHA1 manifest, of course.
asciilifeform: win.
asciilifeform: i am done reading this.
asciilifeform: i also recommend that gpg4win henceforth be referred to as gpg4lose. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: <+asciilifeform> in other nyooz, my 'ada 2012 ref man.' is here. << that's neat. thought we were leaning towards the '95 standard? ☟︎
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: no invariants !
asciilifeform: no adequate threads !
mod6: dangit
asciilifeform: no built-in necessaries, e.g., queues
asciilifeform: srsly
asciilifeform: throw out the old crud.
mod6: ok, well, obv we need that shit. lol. just gotta buy a new book now.
mod6: which ref did you get?
asciilifeform: there is exactly 1 2012 ref
mod6: ok
asciilifeform: but careful, don't throw out the ~rationale~ for '05
asciilifeform: the '12 is published as an addendum to it
asciilifeform: (dun ask me why)
mod6: this one?
mod6: Ada 2012 Reference Manual. Language and Standard Libraries: International Standard ISO/IEC 8652/2012 (E) (Lecture Notes in Computer Science / Programming and Software Engineering)
asciilifeform: it.
mod6: by S. Tucker Taft and Robert A. Duff
mod6: ok
mod6: thx
mod6: i did get my stripper-DFA book btw.
asciilifeform: neato
mod6: needed for the shelf.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> SHA1 manifest, of course. << lol. i do some shitshoveling at a place that still uses md5 and sha1 at all times.
mod6: "larger digests?shaw!"
mod6: *pshaw
asciilifeform: for remote loading of src ?!
mod6: well, i guess technically, gradle doesn't even rely on digests at all.
mod6: it just looks to see if there is a newer version number by filename itself in the remote repository, and if so, pulls it.
mod6: so like "foo-1.0-SNAPSHOT" v. "foo-1.1-SNAPSHOT", it'll pull that if you ask it to reload dependencies.
mod6: but if you have "foo-1.0-SNAPSHOT" vs. "foo-1.0-SNAPSHOT" with a different hash because of different build, won't care, you don't get new file.
mod6: you have to explicitly tell it to --rebuild-dependencies or whatever the fuck
asciilifeform: barfalicious
mod6: oh yeah. i have bile coming out of my ears on this shit.
mod6: especially when it fucks with me like today.
mod6: guy made a name change to a fucking abstract method that I use from his package.
mod6: broke my shit, then couldn't get my shit to work until I had to refresh everything.
mod6: if only they used V. ☟︎
mod6: ugh
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462226 << windows world dood, be thankful it's not all in java and requiring "latest version internet exploder" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 00:32 asciilifeform: i also recommend that gpg4win henceforth be referred to as gpg4lose.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it almost deserves to be
asciilifeform: but i initially popped it open thinking it'd be a simple port, like, e.g., gimp
asciilifeform: but no!
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm telling you, 90% of new eulora players are on gpg4win
mircea_popescu: gimp is not run by shitgnomes, hence lisp scripting etc.
mircea_popescu: pgp has been ever since late 90s it seems.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462265 << werd :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 01:07 mod6: if only they used V.
asciilifeform: v is somewhat like ada, in that 'ugh too much pain, sweat', 'not for people!1111' etc reaction from virtually everyone you show it to
asciilifeform: there is not an escape from this, nor ought to be.
mircea_popescu: somethinglikethat.
asciilifeform: i expect to see similar reactions, to, e.g., 'p'
asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean no keychain! whaddayamean specify ALL inputs and outputs'
mircea_popescu: keychain was a kludge from end to end. vaguely reminiscent of bitcoin "accounts"
asciilifeform: in no way different.
asciilifeform: same basic type of braindamage at work.
mircea_popescu: there's more kludge that needs to go. such as, internet connectivity.
mircea_popescu: and in other weirdulz : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b3bc985eb95ca3c742f4d53e84eb8d23/tumblr_n5hfdqE65J1ra163eo1_400.gif ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo check it out, cruz dropped out.
mircea_popescu: indiana sunk him.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, he was going on oil for a while now. carly fiorina, srsly ?! that bitch could sunk a blue chip. o wait - she did!
mod6: <+asciilifeform> there is not an escape from this, nor ought to be. << V, at least to me, seems like the way that things aught to be done. and there are no shortcuts when you're doing the 'right thing' or how something aught to be done.
mod6: further, i feel like there is a sense of pride that comes from taking the time to do something right, as opposed to doing something quick and dirty.
mod6: no one should feel bad about doing something the way that it aught to be done. unfortunately, this is not often the case with many things.
mod6: which is basically how we ended up with the entire shit-stack we've ended up with today.
mircea_popescu: $up Ciphertext
deedbot: Ciphertext voiced for 30 minutes.
Ciphertext: On the site http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored what does "Modulus has mirrored low order 32 bits mean?" Does that mean it basically is reflected, like for 8 bits 11011011 would be mirrored?
Ciphertext: If so, what implications would that have?
mircea_popescu: Ciphertext please see http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ the final part.
Ciphertext: gotcha, had to read it twice to get it, then it clicked
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema << is this better than webirc i wonder ?
mircea_popescu: there's also http://en.irc2go.com/webchat/?net=freenode&room=trilema
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462286<< tru work of art!!! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 01:44 mircea_popescu: and in other weirdulz : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b3bc985eb95ca3c742f4d53e84eb8d23/tumblr_n5hfdqE65J1ra163eo1_400.gif
asciilifeform takesoffhat
mircea_popescu: https://ritetag.com/hashtag-stats/bitcoin << and speaking of data miners, check out the wot-esque graph they got going.
deedbot: [Qntra] Next US President To Be A Clinton - http://qntra.net/2016/05/next-us-president-to-be-a-clinton/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: misc lulz : https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/331845843081
asciilifeform: re neutron thread ^^
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> indiana sunk him. << Aha, Rush Limbaugh is going to be very mournful tomorrow. He really tempered his Trump support these past few months after he helped birth this incarnation of the Clinton Monster.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nice find
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: scored some of what appears to be the fiber from earlier thread from this fella. might come in handy at some point.
BingoBoingo: Ballin'
deedbot: [Qntra] Phuctor Factors United States DISA Key - http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/
asciilifeform: sooooo here's a thought. perhaps esp. for mircea_popescu. usg luuuvvvvvvs puttin' neutron alarms everywhere. but what if the ... other side... set off 100,001 of them at once, on day x, with, e.g., pocket farnsworth's devices?
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1321909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Alan Cox <alan@etchedpixels.co.uk>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B2DC689E312DF7B25F1C5A190A8A7470AA5A605E3FFDAA204E1F3C86B810167 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: https://slashdot.org/submission/5827727/public-key-associated-with-us-defense-information-systems-agency-factored << win
BingoBoingo: Not on front page yet, but if we all astroturf, they'll prolly surrender and run it.
BingoBoingo: "reader oriented" operated by a friendlier variety of spamzors than last ownership group et al.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to what end ?
BingoBoingo: Drowning them in noise?
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the "information wants to be free" "legalize dope" etc angle, but i dunno what exactly is the idea. anyone seriously intending to administer anything will have a ban on moving plutonium around.
BingoBoingo see more the inflicting costs angle. Gotta check out all those alarms.
mircea_popescu: i guess. seems pretty sophomoric.
BingoBoingo: $up distemper
deedbot: distemper voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Most ways of pricking the beast are sophmoric. Graffiti is sophmoric but they gotta spend to clean it up or they lose face.
mircea_popescu: with grafitti it's more a matter of execution whether it is or it isn;t
BingoBoingo: Even shitty graffiti if it persists projects the image "they" aren't in control.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but even if tomorrow you're the king and queen of earth, you'll be stuck trying to control pu shipments, want it or not.
mircea_popescu: it's one of those.
mircea_popescu: very much like, say, a trichinelosis detector. you ~want~ someone somewhere to have these, keep them well oiled and force manufacturers to burn any and all carcasses that come positive.
mircea_popescu: and in other partyvan news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/21222f1b753050b4e31f97c436e5d4eb/tumblr_o1phrw0oAT1trzasto1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementarily, anyone intending to mail in ze bomb will ddos the sensors prior
asciilifeform: 'cry wolf' etc.
mircea_popescu: well not "anyone", but sure.
asciilifeform: point was that it is quite trivial, and the whole orchestra is a waste of dough.
mircea_popescu: not exactly. lafond makes this point, re the difference between a police force and a militia. you can't expect the police to protect you against organised violence. it works entirely and strictly for disorganised violence.
asciilifeform: there are no hoodrats-cum-nukes.
asciilifeform: the thing sorta implies organization definitionally.
mircea_popescu: two people have an argument and one gets really angry, police can fix this. random derp gets overexcited tries to ship smoke detector shavings to ex gf's mother, police can fix this. ☟︎
asciilifeform: recognize, shavings dun set off neutronograph
mircea_popescu: by the time powerful entity sends ddos wave prior to dirty bombs, police's not a useful expense.
asciilifeform: they are ~specific~ to fissiles.
mircea_popescu: jus' sayin'.
asciilifeform: (incidentally, geiger tubes in, e.g., train stations, were sop for ~decades~.)
asciilifeform: this here's different.
mircea_popescu: the multi-bn-dollar neutron-detector-at-shipping-interfaces programme, going for well over three decades already, has captured exactly 0 anything.
asciilifeform: afaik.
mircea_popescu: but much like in the case of "metal detectors" in airports, going for about as long, the goal was never THAT.
mircea_popescu: the goal was the same : it gave good basis for the eventual "globalisation", which, without the derpy "peace movement" post nuke detonation would have likely never existed
mircea_popescu: this whole am
mircea_popescu: aml/kyc idiocy is fed exactly off that.
mircea_popescu: and similarly with the "metal detector" security in airports. tis for the cows, not for the metals.
asciilifeform: well the metal arches are theatre
asciilifeform: the neutronographs - not advertised, concealed behind drywall etc.
mircea_popescu: but the fact that there is a "greater good" pretext to force say germany to put them in,
BingoBoingo: In other lols Sanders beat Clitler in Indiana. GOP settled their party divide first 111!!!
asciilifeform: took some digging to even realize that they are a separate concern from the theatre.
mircea_popescu: is what's needed to then force germany to "approve" gpg4win oficially.
asciilifeform: well yeah, basic usgtronics
mircea_popescu: so yeah, it is theatre, just, you're not the demo.
mircea_popescu: judge is the demo ; and bureaucrats are the demo ; and so on.
asciilifeform: 'choose, either us or greenglassocalypse'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd handily explain a buncha things.
asciilifeform: e.g., the astronomically expensive gc/ms poison detectors, etc.
asciilifeform: theatre for the chair-warmers.
mircea_popescu: quite. this argument that "oh, never seen" ... guess what ? priceless relics in temples also kept in dark, never seen!
mircea_popescu: not by public at any rate. but gotta keep THE PRIESTS impressed too!
mircea_popescu: lest cynicism takes hold.
asciilifeform: su was illustration of what happens if you fail to keep the priests in.
mircea_popescu: the unravelling of the vaccine story recently is rather symptomatic. a society that no longer accepts the "vaccinarnos es cuidarnos entre todos" is, to use proper terminology, ungovernable.
mircea_popescu: like any theatre, state necessitates willing suspension of disbelief.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, the world is too harsh to face without theatre. at least for most bipedals.
mircea_popescu: (it is pretty fucking harsh. slavegirls may attest.)
BingoBoingo: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/03/angry-sjw-demands-student-journalist-be-punished-for-filming-trigglypuff/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what unravelling
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462316 << this is not a 32-mirror. i would dearly love to know how the schmuck generated his key. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 03:29 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1321909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Alan Cox <alan@etchedpixels.co.uk>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B2DC689E312DF7B25F1C5A190A8A7470AA5A605E3FFDAA204E1F3C86B810167
asciilifeform: and ditto for the others.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can't imagine why anyone'd care ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can always mail 'em an' ask ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i tried this, so far nothing.
mircea_popescu: maybe their email client is also misbehaving.
asciilifeform: satan knows.
mircea_popescu: all hail the dark lord.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently the video that earned her the trigglypuff nickname was entertaining, but I ain't got time for that. Just gotta leave the triggering stuff here for when Hanno reads the logs before his astroturf sessions.
mircea_popescu: lol. i dun think he got time for that, too buys [could have] discovering quantum cold fusion.
asciilifeform: oh speaking of these people,
asciilifeform: i know nothing of heininger in real life, but i had a dream where she was a hot chik
mircea_popescu: how is this speaking of THOSE people.
asciilifeform: it was surreal.
asciilifeform: https://www.cis.upenn.edu/~nadiah
asciilifeform: ^ apparently has photo, even.
mircea_popescu: $up Chicago
deedbot: Chicago voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform until i hear different, actual scientists involved have no fault some imbecile "journalist" / online whore dragged their name in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cited by name in your original phuctor article series.
mircea_popescu: and not heard from hence.
mircea_popescu: some people grok the concept on seeing a dead cat.
Chicago: Thanks mircea_popescu, deedbot
mircea_popescu: some people gotta see their eviscerated children. each his own./
mircea_popescu: how's Chicago ?
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:qntra.net Chicago
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
BingoBoingo: 0.o
mircea_popescu: eh it was broken from before.
mircea_popescu: IM NOT BUYING IT.
Chicago: mircea_popescu, I'm well, thanks. Happily celebrating the Trump victory in nearby Indiana today. How is Mircea?
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/03/chicago-to-scape-around-hole/
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: going throgh reports. nothing much.
Chicago: Otherwise, just waiting on some hdparm security-erase to complete on a disk, so I can throw it into a scratch array. I needed some space to work on a large collection of files, to tarball them before archiving them on tape.
mircea_popescu: that sounds exciting and all.
Chicago: It could be worse. There is a series of checks, tests and configurations I employ before putting a spindle into production. This is because I have a battery of Seagate Barracuda ES.2 drives from circa 2008/2009 which I still want to use. Some of them are just bad, from known firmware problems and the others need to somehow prove themselves to be *good enough* to use for scratch data handling.
Chicago: At the time the Barracuda ES.2 drives were manufactured, their promotional materials were quite attractive. As time progressed, there were a number of problems with them similar to the IBM Deskstar (Deathstar) hard drives.
BingoBoingo: $up Chicago
deedbot: Chicago voiced for 30 minutes.
Chicago: Thanks BingoBoingo, how are you today?
BingoBoingo: Not bad
Chicago: Good, working on anything particularly interesting today?
BingoBoingo: Oh, not today. Just mourning a Clinton v Clinton election
Chicago: BingoBoingo, I'm afraid I don't understand. What do you mean by a Clinton v. Clinton election?
BingoBoingo: Trump is just a Clinton in huckster clothing
Chicago: Ah, okay. Maybe the claim Trump will pick Hillary as his VP has some merit to it.
BingoBoingo: Nah, their strategy is have a clinton on each line of the ticket
Chicago: BingoBoingo, you should mourn on Undernet in #political or #politics with the masses.
Chicago: The dialog there is often quite colorful.
BingoBoingo: Ain't nobody got time for that
Chicago: :p some people watch football, some people watch soap operas, some people like talking to a brick wall on the Undernet.
BingoBoingo: $gettrust deedbot Chicago
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
Chicago will get on the WoT soon.
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4329
punkman: https://archive.is/yVEdn re:500eur notes
jurov: asciilifeform: toplevel trb is just redirected to thebitcoin.foundation, that is ran by mod6
jurov: ^ re: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461500 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 20:05 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov observed any spike in trb site traffic ? (it is linked from nosuchlabs.com)
mircea_popescu: all these noobs!
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://dpaste.com/2Y0VAST ☟︎
shinohai: mircea_popescu was arrested for trafficking meth in Georgia: https://i.imgur.com/p1w7pYO.jpg
mircea_popescu: o.O
shinohai: ^ that dude was caught with 100k in meth because he got pulled over for speeding >.<
mircea_popescu: and what's it got to do with me ?
shinohai: if i ever I imagined mircea_popescu getting arrested for meth, it would be that foto
mircea_popescu: lol mkay
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/91ec1875268cf60f161c0b47b8d71b9d/tumblr_nfk9frdlf31spdrm0o1_1280.jpg
shinohai: News Flash: Gavin is stupid: http://archive.is/IInmC
mircea_popescu: deedbot http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/smg-ssw8.txt
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com gavin retarded
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
mircea_popescu: yaright.
mircea_popescu: anyway, lettuce read on teh bbc the stuff they read on trilema back in january 2015 and took a year and a half to digest! clearly "the media" is relevant, influential and what was the other one.
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/smg-ssw8.txt
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: ah ok.
BingoBoingo: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/224 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ;;google factorable.net
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
mircea_popescu: ah ssh key study huh.
mircea_popescu: .5% of tls rsa they say.
mircea_popescu: lol dreamhost acct ; no history online. nice.
mircea_popescu: https://factorable.net/resources.html << nothingt there.
mircea_popescu: yet another rush job brought to you by drhoaxtoshi.labs
mircea_popescu: o nice find BingoBoingo ! check out the paydirt quote asciilifeform :
mircea_popescu: "When looking into this a few days ago, I found that OpenSSL 0.9.5a (and earlier?), which was current in year 2000, had a bug that would result in behavior just like this on some 64-bit platforms: http://marc.info/?l=openssl-users&m=95961024500509 "
BingoBoingo: AHA
phf: fwiw http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-14#313064 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-09-14 15:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://factorable.net/keycheck.html tests for some very basic weaknesses.
BingoBoingo: In other lulz http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/#comment-56341
mircea_popescu: phf yes, and the domain was reigstered in 2012. this doesn't serve here : they have to have history specifically in the things discussed. otherwise, it's not unlike someone applying to a job requiring 5000 hours of flight experience on the basis of his driving license from 1993. fine.. but ?
mircea_popescu: "There are even weirder examples, though - e.g., one of Phuctor's factors is 0x115CFF61CFECFF61BE9, where we see three 32-bit limbs satisfying: limb[1] = limb[0] + limb[2] and also limb[2] is small and thus likely didn't come from a CSPRNG, but possibly from uninitialized memory." << very good point. this person's actually intelligent.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in practical terms - so he references both. good for him. anyone interested in doing some work can look at either site and proceed. i can't find any useful item AT ALL on factorable net. not as much as a factor or anything. some vague discussions in summary of supposed finds substantiated in no manner. if this is science you can also be pope, why not.
mircea_popescu: obviously, they're going to copy whatever phuctor publishes, which is fine but also rather obvious.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lel!
asciilifeform: the fastgcd thing is henninger's
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: it is quite old
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: but notice they put boost on the site!
asciilifeform: waiwut
asciilifeform catches up with l0gz
mircea_popescu: how did that george costanza quote go, "but mr tuttle, consider i'm in the smaller office!"
asciilifeform: can anyone actually reply to the seclist turd ?
asciilifeform: namely, 'openssl WAS NEVER IN GPG'
asciilifeform: srsly
asciilifeform: for fucks sake.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't bother. let them sort it out on their own, what.
mircea_popescu: i'm the father of the whole internetland now ?
asciilifeform: well i'm certainly not.
asciilifeform: can't be arsed.
mircea_popescu: lulz instead : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3NlnLySnq0
asciilifeform: but it is interesting to watch how the beast digests.
asciilifeform: today it is 'phuctor and hanno bock's', tomorrow - 'hanno bock's'
asciilifeform: etc
mircea_popescu: nah.
asciilifeform: why not?
asciilifeform: 'A bug that not only duplicates the least significant 32 bits onto the
mircea_popescu: pointedly not what happened there. what happened there was, "this kid made an airplane ; this other retarded kid made a playdough blob. the first kid called him retarded. let's list them in order : playdough blob ; airplane. let people fly with whichever they choose."
asciilifeform: next 32 bits, but also keeps the rest of the limbs at all-zeroes. '
mircea_popescu: it's a thing.
asciilifeform: bug!!1111111
asciilifeform: yeah, just so HAPPENS that BUG makes fingeprint on old gpg of randint modulus key appear sAME.
asciilifeform: forfuckssake.
asciilifeform: bug!.
mircea_popescu: hey, it's a seclist! what do you want them to discuss.
asciilifeform: the malfeasance that couldn't be any plainer than this daylight ?
asciilifeform: but, bug?!
asciilifeform: and didja know, bugs only affect interesting users
asciilifeform: e.g. apple security hotline
asciilifeform: and pgp update key.
mircea_popescu: lalala i can't hear you. what ?
asciilifeform: well, that.
mircea_popescu: look : they're what they are. this is pointedly not us. the difference between man and and is that ant is specialized physiologically. man can drop what he's doing and do something else, or pick a different set of tools, or approach, or whatever.
mircea_popescu: and does THE ONE THING.
mircea_popescu: these people are what has come to mean in english "scientists". they will do the thing they do, no matter what.
asciilifeform: i just dun get it, most of'em aren't paid to swallow ft meade cock
asciilifeform: not even indirectly
mircea_popescu: nothing to do with anything.
mircea_popescu: as children, they stuck their head in a ring. then they kept adding rings.
asciilifeform: what ring
mircea_popescu: now - https://asoutherngirlinsouthafrica.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/3311565227_51a8bf7bf9_o2.jpg
mircea_popescu: an order to remove rings is equiv to a death setence, for them.
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: it is a fact.
mircea_popescu: permanent tissue damage.
mircea_popescu: so they'll fuck around with the rings, forever. hopefully their children will be raped into sanity. i'm doing a little towards that, if the children happen to be easy on the eyes and female. that'sall.
mircea_popescu: the "western civilisation" may survive only in this limited sense.
mircea_popescu: but meanwhile - no, the Βασιλεύς Βασιλέων, Βασιλεύων Βασιλευόντων is not paying any of them anything.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu> and does THE ONE THING. << anT i mean, obviously. heh.
asciilifeform: long, long ago, when i was quite unemployed, i wrote to Βασιλεύς Βασιλέων, Βασιλεύων Βασιλευόντων and offered my services
asciilifeform: he replied with form letter.
asciilifeform: so i unzipped and pissed.
asciilifeform: so it boggles my mind that other folks did not do same.
asciilifeform: why fellate hitler for phreee ?
asciilifeform: incidentally little birdie told me recently that nsa 'TAO' pisses on american nondiscrimination laws and never employs foreign-born folk
asciilifeform: so mega-unsurprise
asciilifeform: but lulzy
asciilifeform: (re 'rule of law' etc.)
mircea_popescu: "it's what we do".
mircea_popescu: also, afaik "american nondiscrimination laws" work strictly to protect enumerated groups. women, blacks, what have you. "foreign born white men" isn't on the list.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: letter of the law is, i quote, 'RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, SEX, NATIONAL ORIGIN'
asciilifeform: (u.s. equal opportunity commission.)
mircea_popescu: read the fine print.
asciilifeform: yer thinking of the private sector
asciilifeform: usg has own proclamation
mircea_popescu: oh oh.
asciilifeform: that uses this verbiage.
asciilifeform: aha. civil service.
trinque: yes, but the ways in which "success" is "measured" involve "enough blacks/women/... ?"
mircea_popescu: i never quite understood this "place of birth" fixation in [always B list] secret services.
asciilifeform: ask them not me (tm)
asciilifeform: but this is classic, 'proper aryans only!'
mircea_popescu: eh, half the time there isn't who to ask what color to paint the walls, let alone substantial matters.
mircea_popescu: it is classic "we're too inept to ever do anything so let's fuck around with paper all day instead".
mircea_popescu: i could see (maybe) why you wouldn't want non-citizen grunts in the army.
asciilifeform: except those are a dime a dozen
asciilifeform: i had an office across the hall from no less than a major
mircea_popescu: though that was much more of a concern back before transportation
asciilifeform: ru-born.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, 100 years ago one couldn't be ru major unless german :D
asciilifeform: 200.
mircea_popescu: w/e.
asciilifeform: anyway once you think about how american sigint actually works, when it works, it makes sense
asciilifeform: (via schmoozing and 'iana committee' sabotage, which calls for pedigreed yacht rats, not maths folks, etc.)
mircea_popescu: bullcrap.
mircea_popescu: this "pedigreed yacht rats" exists strictly in your imagination, as a derivative product of 1970s Burda.
mircea_popescu: [for this side of the iron curtain folks : insanely popular fashion mag because it included patterns for all items so pre-industrial girls and young women could make them at home. first western mag to be published in russia ; and in china. easily beat anything cosmo ever was or could be.]
asciilifeform: they also exist at least in, e.g., annapolis (seaside town i passed through recently)
asciilifeform: and elsewhere
asciilifeform: not wholly mythical animals, these.
asciilifeform: i watched them alive.
mircea_popescu: sure. but not quite the same holy bible now and there as it was then.
asciilifeform: not quite, no.
mircea_popescu: and from the same period : http://67.media.tumblr.com/553d044a935e96986194c201744734bc/tumblr_n21vgdx3nk1r38h27o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: i can almost taste those stockings, being what EVERY girl had for a decade or so. each. and every. one.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i can easily see why nsa would escew folks who might have actual culture
mircea_popescu: what the fuck was that sitcom called, hm.
asciilifeform: and non-'esl' memory etc.
asciilifeform: *eschew
asciilifeform: single-minded ss man must have no mother, no father, but the fuhrer
asciilifeform: or sumthinglikethat
mircea_popescu: also bs.
asciilifeform: then i'm at a loss re explaining the fixation.
mircea_popescu: it's easy.
mircea_popescu: fuck i found it. thanks god for internets!
mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086793/ << there you go.
asciilifeform: wats that
mircea_popescu: that is the place where your "yacht rats" thing actually exists.
mircea_popescu: nowhere else.
phf: ahaha, how very true
asciilifeform: bbbut it exists
mircea_popescu: phf i'm like the emperor-god xenomorph from the future, i go "what was that bullshit tv series from the early 90s with all the boats" and wihin minutes a woman pops the name. unfuckingbelivable.
asciilifeform: i went to school with the fuckers
asciilifeform: saw them, alive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect your chief problem is that you go to school with your own internally emulated versions of irl fuckers.
mircea_popescu: and you demand fiction make sense, and so end up with very... unrealistic versions of said fuckers.
asciilifeform: in which way are my emulated fuckers inaccurate ?
mircea_popescu: in the way where they make sense in your emulation in places they make no sense irl.
mircea_popescu: then this error compounds, because it's selective.
asciilifeform: i mean, these kidz ~did~ have vacation houses, did end up in princetonyaleward, etc.
mircea_popescu: then next thing you know, meta-nsa the yachting club.
asciilifeform: sure!
mircea_popescu: you have any fucking idea how much WORK sailing is ?
phf: sometimes i still see these santa barbara americans though, old men with "silver hair" driving a Mercedes, or mostly on the metro here. they always look so lost and small, like they walked from the screen, "the last American hero" style. except instead of like punching the car window and discovering that it hurts, their credit card is denied or something, and they are like "what is that???"
mircea_popescu: actually fuck that. you ever been on a yacht ? by been i mean > 6 hours.
asciilifeform: 'work' is something you do against your will.
asciilifeform: to pay billz.
mircea_popescu: trust me. after the 9999th winch tick, it's against your will.
asciilifeform: next thing mircea_popescu tells us fucking is work.
asciilifeform: at any rate, quite obviously not all 'yacht rats' take up sailing
asciilifeform: it is, after all, exercise.
mircea_popescu: think about it in these terms : 1. i can sail, and actually used to be / could be very good at it (right body type) ; 2. i could afford a yacht, what. 3. i don't either. ???
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't fly airplanes either
asciilifeform: he has theorems.
asciilifeform: can't be arsed. etc.
phf: *last action hero, rather
mircea_popescu: airplane is merely annoying to fly. too many blinkenlichten and shit.
mircea_popescu: yachts are actually hard.
asciilifeform: hey that bleuriot or what was it, that i sat down in, had 0 lights.
mircea_popescu: in the air ?
asciilifeform: on the dashboard.
asciilifeform: none provided.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, maybe they only turn them on when airborne to save on headlamp fluid.
asciilifeform: it had fewer gauges than my car.
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: oh, the thing with the steel wires ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: you didn't notice the anal dildo. those things are "viscerally piloted".
asciilifeform: that was in the bench, i almost sat on it!111111
mircea_popescu: which is worse, not better, than blinkenlichten
deedbot: [Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), April 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-april-2016-statement/
asciilifeform will mail in his ^ tonight, it is very short
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: doing that an' fmpif tomorrow
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/#comment-56467 << plox fix me formatting
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/#comment-56467 << plox fix me formatting
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ahh.
asciilifeform: argh
asciilifeform goes to fiddle with his terminal
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/#comment-56468 << much better answer.
mircea_popescu: (number one issue for the noob slaves, too, "it wasn't explained". bitch, i'm going to beat you into a pulp, what explain. figure it the fuck out, it's your ass.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: fxd
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l!
asciilifeform: mega-answer.
mircea_popescu: schmucks.
mircea_popescu: really, he's going to trade his "giving a shit" for me doing more work on top of the work i did that he can't do in the first place ? in what fucking world!
mircea_popescu: i want him giving a shit like i want cold sores.
asciilifeform: by that logic, why did i bother to write 'theory' page on phuctor ?
asciilifeform: perhaps a literate man should already know the theory..?
mircea_popescu: there is a difference between YOU DOING and HE DEMANDING.
asciilifeform: ah hm.
mircea_popescu: you can do whatever the fuck you want, including help yourself to a double serving of his wife
mircea_popescu: he can THANK YOU FOR IT, and he can HELP. that is it. exactly strictly and absolutely it, nothing more to no degree.
mircea_popescu: IF we ever want his political opinions on things, which is a very remote distant and unlikely if, WELL ASK FOR IT!
mircea_popescu: somehow illiterate street urchins in all the large cities, 1916 as well as 2016 can master this basic concept before age 14. yet it eludes the byproducts of welfare state.
asciilifeform: lel qntra ddos ?
asciilifeform: or just 'slashdotted'
mircea_popescu: or your terminal being weird ?
asciilifeform: dun think so
mircea_popescu: i see it.
asciilifeform: i also see.
asciilifeform: just sl000w
mircea_popescu: pings in 1/4s. it's you.
asciilifeform has deeply nfi.
asciilifeform: curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i "mirrored"
asciilifeform: 153 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: only 5% ish fo the pile of braindamage.
asciilifeform: but >1/2 of the phucked
asciilifeform: i may have said this before, but,
asciilifeform: i have a ~strong~ suspicion that there are q == nextprime(p) keys in there.
asciilifeform: somewhere.
mircea_popescu: first things first. the ssl keys thing - both github and search.
asciilifeform: iirc jurov was doing something with those.
asciilifeform: the nice thing about ssl and ssh pubkeys is that you can harvest them.
asciilifeform: in the wild.
mircea_popescu: with the first half, yeah. we also need a general purpose multiconverter.
asciilifeform: (port scanner)
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna write that ?
asciilifeform: ask henninger ! l0l
asciilifeform: srsly that would be lulzy
mircea_popescu: there already exists a "various ssh formats" conversion ; need to bolt on base16/10 number and pgp format.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform had she had the common sense to wot i would.
asciilifeform: technically there is no need to convert them to pgp format
asciilifeform: i can throw them in as a specialcase.
asciilifeform: (and does it actually make sense to phuctor them ~together~ with pgp keyz?)
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/200
asciilifeform: 'There are multiple vulnerabilities in ImageMagick, a package commonly used by web services to process images. One of the vulnerabilities can lead to remote code execution (RCE) if you process user submitted images. The exploit for this vulnerability is being used in the wild. A number of image processing plugins depend on the ImageMagick library, including, but not limited to, PHP's imagick, Ruby's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, it makes sense. primes are primes, factors are factors.
asciilifeform: rmagick and paperclip, and nodejs's imagemagick.
asciilifeform: '
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing's been a blessing for hackers for many years now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way, do you have any kind of werker to keep adding primes to the 8ball ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as a matter of fact i do
asciilifeform: currently on other box
mircea_popescu: nice. so then let all these things converge. the server ssh keys ; the user ssh keys ; the pgp keys and the 8ball werker.
mircea_popescu: eventually we will have all factors.
mircea_popescu: ALL factors.
asciilifeform: it is of pretty limited use tho, expanding 8ball from 1st mil primes to 10 mil yielded... what.. 2 pops ?
mircea_popescu: no matter.
mircea_popescu: utility is not measured by results.
asciilifeform: re imagemagic, this is gold:
mircea_popescu: this is research not engineering.
asciilifeform: ''ImageMagick allows to process files with external libraries. This feature is called 'delegate'. It is implemented as a system() with command string ('command') from the config file delegates.xml with actual value for different params (input/output filenames etc). Due to insufficient %M param filtering it is possible to conduct shell command injection. One of the default delegate's command is used
asciilifeform: to handle https requests...'
asciilifeform: quite like, e.g., glibc's dyn load
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: and related rubbish
asciilifeform: srsly the modus operandi NEVER changes
mircea_popescu: same source also.
asciilifeform: with these people.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: crab, pincers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, just get the 8ball expander to work constantly, fill a core or something.
mircea_popescu: and will be nice if 8ball is published also, say daily.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/a8d2965d89bd18287633be95f4abda5c/tumblr_nu9w3p7Msi1s5ycf8o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good idea.
asciilifeform: (it working 100%, but right now shuttled manually.)
mircea_popescu: and finally, you do have a knob to fill in factors into 8 ball manually ? if not add it in
mircea_popescu: sooner or later someone ELSE is going to report an actual factor.
asciilifeform: this was part of my plan for the rewrite
asciilifeform: and defo next on featurelist.
mircea_popescu: (will be particularly useful to check/disprove shit coming from hanno bock, http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) et all.
asciilifeform: incidentally there are perennially privkeys floating on 'pastebin' etc.
asciilifeform: these oughta be edible.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:pastebin.com "BEGIN PGP"
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
mircea_popescu: eh ffs.
BingoBoingo: http://www.medicaldaily.com/heroin-epidemic-organ-transplants-wait-list-384428
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna make his bot google ? trinque ? phf ? who else had bots ?
asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/#tbs=li:1&q=%22-----BEGIN+PGP+PRIVATE+KEY+BLOCK-----%22+site:pastebin.com
asciilifeform: ^ seems to wurk
asciilifeform: about 1/2 of them trollage
asciilifeform: 2/3 of the remainder - homework
asciilifeform: and 1 or 2 'doxings'.
mircea_popescu: i tried one, we already had it.
mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/234D1BA9CAB9C80F5BC3837F50F2AAF5BE30EAB7A4D7E0F722F5D3C2B857CB0A << no wait, we didn't have it. right ?
asciilifeform: well apparently not
asciilifeform: where's the priv
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the source for the currently waiting keys ?
asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/34 << lel... 'systemd-journald from systemd v213 started creating world readable journals, allowing local users to read sensitive system log entries.'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is still 3 or 4 days worth of old sks archive, being pumped in.
punkman: https://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20archives << possibly good source for keys not on keyservers ☟︎
asciilifeform: punkman: aha!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no key waits for >1h.
mircea_popescu: ah cool.
asciilifeform: at the end of a werker run, all keys that were part of the run, are marked nonwaiting.
mircea_popescu: so we're running out of fuel, basically.
asciilifeform: aha.
punkman: there are a couple companies that do comprehensive crawls of pastebins, could be worth looking into
asciilifeform: i'ma saw apart a recent sks dump this weekend.
asciilifeform: and pump.
mircea_popescu: great read punkman
asciilifeform: will also look into what it'd take to real-time eat sks.
mircea_popescu: would you download the thing and take out the keys ?
asciilifeform: well yeah
asciilifeform: how else
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was asking him.
asciilifeform: ah
punkman: hmm maybe, got a server with space for it?
asciilifeform: oh hey!
asciilifeform: re yesterday's thread re dlls and gpg4win:
asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/97
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^^ mega-l0l
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually i want this archive anyway, feed the wot into the wot.
mircea_popescu: oh it's gwern
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nicely improved error message for bad keyts.
mircea_popescu: punkman what'd you want, an acct and 5 or so tb ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which, the eggog ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, "no moduli"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lel, i never changed it
asciilifeform: it always distinguished between 'not a key' and 'key, but no rsa'
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/72AEE8BABBF4652BC2531BE414B2417B5A38128BAA8C1E6B4BEF9F4D0D026A7B << lel, fyodor of seclist
asciilifeform: speaking of the rsa-less.
asciilifeform: ( from http://insecure.org/fyodor/gpgkey.txt )
punkman: mircea_popescu: 3tb should probably do
asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/89 << lulzy, for 'golang' aficionados. somehow i missed this
asciilifeform: (perhaps through not giving a fuck re shitlangs)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, by the reaction of fromphuctors i thought it was opaque
asciilifeform: last bit of lulz from this dig,
asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/178
asciilifeform: ^ usg retreating from pushing ecc claptrap ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "ecc is dead - not because mp said ecc is dead, but for other reasons altogether"
mircea_popescu: hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: this makes... how many by now ? 3rd major trend i killed, after "moore law" and so on ?
asciilifeform: ehh can't resist, another, http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/266
asciilifeform: ^ strike yet another crypto lib off the list
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, you should be upset the world's not beating down your door with job offers post phuctor ? what should i say ? that why is not every presidential wreath in the world mailed to me ?
asciilifeform: lel!
mircea_popescu: in a sea of "who could have predicted", the man who does predict is but amused.
asciilifeform: i am very amused!111 on my stake.
mircea_popescu: totally puts a stake through the heart of the "fair price" nonsense also. what is this "fair price", to hire the man that knows the future ? the causes of the past ?
mircea_popescu: "science of economics", so much drivel.
mircea_popescu: lol @go bignum.
asciilifeform: predicting future, it turns out, is not so hard.
asciilifeform: e.g. trb and dns.
phf: oh remember how we were going to have a golang gossip
mircea_popescu: vaguely.
asciilifeform: i remember very well.
asciilifeform: and how cruel, how unreasonable, the beating i administered must've seemed to audience.
mircea_popescu: punkman turns out i don't have such a wonder ;/ you can have 2tb right now, though. should be ok, nevertheless, i think, seeing how it's not a single file/item, but a collection.
trinque: asciilifeform │ and how cruel, how unreasonable << notrly, deedbot went from golang to CL for example
trinque: what a coincidence!
asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/450 << we luuuuuuv amd!111111
asciilifeform: ''Under certain conditions it allows unprivileged users running under qemu VMs to affect the host Linux kernel in a problematic manner...' ☟︎
asciilifeform: '
asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/645 << run moar git.
asciilifeform: 'server and client side remote code execution through a buffer overflow in all git versions before 2.7.1'
asciilifeform: at any rate, enough zoo for one day.
mircea_popescu: $rated gwern
deedbot: mircea_popescu has not rated gwern.
mircea_popescu: $key gwern
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e976c253-23b8-4c89-b9e1-bb51421051ec/
mircea_popescu: damn these people...
mircea_popescu: so what does http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gwern/ say ? Fingerprint 85F99FDE8F20898F59BCDF32BE90E8E4F7E5D682
mircea_popescu: but what does the site say ? PGP key (mirror; fingerprint: 89C588CC; my old key, F7E5D682, is no longer usable)
mircea_popescu: and why am i at this point to believe this man is anything but an impostor ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o you know what ? wanna spider keybase ?
ben_vulpes: my morning: http://wordpress.shithouse.tv/
mircea_popescu: am i the only one to have ever asked for "jiztory" in a terminal ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile : keybase keys confirmed new via http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D7AB955D7C3D6DA6952F80879F3F89B16E367E31BA8067853DEFF66389A1FE7 ; will be sending you a dump later today. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://pastebin.com/FfdDSbBh
ben_vulpes: in other *other* news, "lastpass" password sharting tool won't let users *see* shared passwords, but does provide for *copying* shared passwords and pasting into arbitrary other places on the computer. further, if one gets into the DOM and changes the "password" attr on the relevant element the browser will happily render it in place.
ben_vulpes: the idiocy on display is no longer even amusing.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: it;s almost like a metal detector of its very owwwn!
ben_vulpes: yech
mircea_popescu: oh and incidentally, definitely worth reading gwern.net ; that fellow is almost exactly the tmsr antichrist : haskellite as far as computing science goes ; consumate lesswrongian as long as theology goes ; tardpedia "inclusionist" as long as political philosophy goes. pretty much every mistaken, poisonous or outright wrong assumption "modern" "civilisation" makes, he makes. loudly, unapologetically, roundly.
mircea_popescu: it's quite something else.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462828 << neato ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 18:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile : keybase keys confirmed new via http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D7AB955D7C3D6DA6952F80879F3F89B16E367E31BA8067853DEFF66389A1FE7 ; will be sending you a dump later today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'gwerns' are a dime a dozen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally-1 : would you prefer an actual dump ? i'm contemplating just doing posts in place, is this too much load for phuctor ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: better to chug it in on my end - impervious to www overload
asciilifeform: whereas feeding'em in at the mouth end risks stalling when there are hordes of gawkers
mircea_popescu: incidentally-2 : you absolutely should introduce a (faux) directory structure of the type /ABCD/ABCD/ABCD/ABCD/ABCD/ABCD/ABCD/ABCD where each superior "directory" lists the subs it contains, and the last level lists actual keys. google will utterly lap this up. and it's useful in the general, passive sks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aite, will send you dump then.
asciilifeform: the abcd thing is an idea. but i wasn't really going for an sks clone
asciilifeform: considering that we'll be jettisoning the pgp format.
mircea_popescu: costs ~nothing, it's just an interface atop what you already have neh ?
asciilifeform: it can be done, sure.
asciilifeform: i'd have to reorg the db again.
asciilifeform: (i don't presently parse out the subness of subkeys)
mircea_popescu: do it, you;ll be amazed at the "artificial intelligence" alphabet, inc employs.
mircea_popescu: "something made by ten year olds on a rainy day"
asciilifeform: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/229 http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/230 << moar lulz re us
asciilifeform: infuriating idiocy
asciilifeform: 'similar observations for factors are
asciilifeform: probably a red herring: an artifact of the process used by these
asciilifeform: factoring projects rather than part of how the keys were generated.'
asciilifeform: and the continuing mention of openssl
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point tho.
asciilifeform: where it never touched
asciilifeform: but yes the large numbers are composites, this is obvious in 5 seconds to a kindergartener
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact composites are broken into not-necessarily-prime chunks, which is more of a function of the random state of the breaker than anything, and the actual bitfield offers no information re the process that made the key
asciilifeform: random ints are divisible by 3, 5... etc nyooz at eleven.
mircea_popescu: well so it is obvious, what of it. he can state it.
asciilifeform: the insistence on 'software bug' whereas it is plain as daylight ~why~ there are 32mirror keys, and why they are for whom they are, is the riotous part.
mircea_popescu: all he's saying is that using THE FOUND FACTORS as some sort of lithmus for the key production process is a dead end. which it is.
mircea_popescu: ah, well. it's their schtick, what.
mircea_popescu: " Could it be that all of the broken e keys were generated by OpenSSL from year 2000 or earlier? " << it could not be. a) none of the keys come from openssl ; b) most keys are post 2000.
asciilifeform: plain to anyone without a mouthful of obamacok
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, the most important quality of doing things openly is that every derp everywhere is now able to try and stuff it into his peculiar headbox. there's a lot of "number worshipping" undercurrent i detect in there, sort-of the educated version of "lottery playing systems", which is more repugnant to the civilised man than the political slant. even so.
mircea_popescu: let the fuzzers fuzz.
asciilifeform: reads ~exactly~ like lottosystem folk
mircea_popescu: and in other weird news, keybase somehow has > 50k users. wtf.
asciilifeform: but artifully, deliberately, as misdirection
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i perceive no such deliberate / artful anything.
asciilifeform: well, what, he did not run the keys through pgpdump? did not see the dates ?
asciilifeform: has nfi that openssl was never in gpg ?
mircea_popescu: indeed not. problem ?
mircea_popescu: also not.
asciilifeform: (or closed pgp for that matter)
mircea_popescu: what, you expect people went to your 3rd grade ? how many people were there in that class! 20 ? 30 ?
mircea_popescu: whole world didn't fit!
asciilifeform: what ~did~ he use for his analysis ? tea leaves? sheep entrails ?
mircea_popescu: he writes numbers on paper. problem ?
asciilifeform: because what, he is a pashtun, never seen computer ?
mircea_popescu: how is it your business how he runs his household!
asciilifeform: not my business, i suppose, whether the man is coprophagic, but he forgot to wipe his mouth, it seems.
mircea_popescu: it's the internet.
asciilifeform: and now i have trouble distinguishing his mouth from arse.
phf: i has a working keybase crawler..
mircea_popescu: phf i already mostly extracted the userbase.
phf: kk
mircea_popescu: if you wanna do something, do the gwern thing, punkman disappeared ?
phf: what gwern thing?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462750 << there's a 50gb dump of snapshots of dark markets. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 16:54 punkman: https://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20archives << possibly good source for keys not on keyservers
mircea_popescu: a) it should be downloaded anyway ; b) contains pgp keys.
phf: hmm
mircea_popescu: which should be extracted an' dumped to phuctor.
mircea_popescu: not to mention their wot should be extracted also, ffu.
phf: that's a whole Project
mircea_popescu: so it is ; currently looking for a doer.
asciilifeform: another thing that really needs 'a doer' is the hunt for ancient pgptrons
asciilifeform: that might hold the magic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that will have to be user-provided.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you're sending men to blow glass with lungs, warmed with arse.
mircea_popescu: send men to where they have leverage - such as by exposing a whole swathe of usg "law enforcement" derps.
asciilifeform: there weren't so many of'em
mircea_popescu: at some point, esp the smaller markets, were 2/3 usg by mass
mircea_popescu: like these things go.
asciilifeform: classic
asciilifeform: it wouldn't astonish me if it were 99%.
mircea_popescu: phf anyway, at the very least that thing needs long term seeders ; which is a mitzvah.
punkman: it's on archive.org so probably safe by now
mircea_popescu: $gettrust archive.org
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
mircea_popescu: entirely unsafe.
punkman: 2tb will do in a pinch, does it have to run in polite mode on shared server?
phf: well, as of right now it's not pulling at any rate
mircea_popescu: punkman pgpgram me your ssh key, i'll add it and you can log into account. nothing really happening there atm, so you should be ok.
shinohai: http://www.egyptindependent.com//news/tom-jerry-blame-violence-arab-world-official <<< so I watched a lot of T&J as a child, I suppose I am a terrorist.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 410237 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 1026 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: https://factorable.net/keycheck.html << lel
asciilifeform: 'The keycheck service is no longer available.'
mircea_popescu: awww.
mircea_popescu: because it was available, at some point, we just all collectivelly missed it throughout.
asciilifeform: ahaha ha.
asciilifeform: wasn't available in '13 when i started.
asciilifeform: incidentally.
asciilifeform: or iirc there was a form!
asciilifeform: just b0rk3d
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-14#313064 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-09-14 15:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://factorable.net/keycheck.html tests for some very basic weaknesses.
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20130220094146/https://factorable.net/keycheck.html
asciilifeform: ^ is what there was.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was a form that did nothing. how is this "Available"
mircea_popescu: by this theory i'm available for coming out of cakes at parties.
mircea_popescu: except gavin ACTUALLY DOES IT!
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: perhaps it worked at some point. i have deeply nfi.
mircea_popescu: yes, perhaps the moon is made of cheese.
mircea_popescu: this isn't how things work.
asciilifeform: eh henninger's proggy from that site (straight implementation of bernstein) works.
asciilifeform: and besides, hot chix dun lie do they
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: sure, it works. and hanno boeck's ( http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ )'s hands also work. in principle like that.
mircea_popescu: they just don't do anything useful is all.
asciilifeform: boeck took henninger's thing and ran it
asciilifeform: afaik that was all.
mircea_popescu: mno. he took it, and DIDNT run it.
asciilifeform: there was an output in his shithub iirc
mircea_popescu: and then claimed to have ran it, but then his claim ran into the jagged shores of reality when he could not produce ONE SINGLE VERIFIABLE STATEMENT
mircea_popescu: in support of that claim.
asciilifeform: ah yeah last year's boeck
asciilifeform: this year's boeck reluctantly, grudgingly, ran the fucking proggy
asciilifeform: on what looks like just our set of phucked keyz, handily loaded from our www.
mircea_popescu: no he didn't. he didn't get as far as removing the dsa/ecc keys out of the sks dump to get a proper count of rsa moduli
asciilifeform: or rather, a pruned (how, i didn't bother to see, but smaller) subset.
mircea_popescu: snapshotted on some trilema article or other.
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/mTgyy
asciilifeform: https://github.com/hannob/pgpmoduli/blob/master/gcds it was.
mircea_popescu: perfectly egregious case of fraud, and i have no fucking idea what anyone accepting anything written by him for pay could possibly be thinking.
asciilifeform: curl -s https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hannob/pgpmoduli/master/gcds | sort | uniq | wc -l
asciilifeform: 186
asciilifeform: i wonder, how did he pick ~which~ 186 of our mods to boeck over.
asciilifeform: or, hm, nm,
asciilifeform: curl -s https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hannob/pgpmoduli/master/vulnerable_moduli | sort | uniq | wc -l
asciilifeform: 273
asciilifeform: ~more~ than in my set ?? where'd the new ones come from.
asciilifeform: his arse ?
mircea_popescu: if you're bored run a comparison.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe it's one of those typical if hysterical cases of "thief claiming theft" and we discover HE doped the sks servers.
asciilifeform: that would be mighty lulzy.
asciilifeform: though i have nfi what could point specifically to him (or anybody else)
mircea_popescu: i find stuff like that 271 byte one a little off.
mircea_popescu: 256*
asciilifeform: which?
asciilifeform: (paste?)
mircea_popescu: about half are 512, exactly 9 are 4096.
mircea_popescu: 12c7466512c746654d5320e34d5320e3e011d9bce011d9bcf9891175f9891175af590560af590560aeddd493aeddd493e50c5e54e50c5e54f0fba560f0fba5600505c39c0505c39c72a6c40372a6c40301ec59a601ec59a69525b3689525b368eb92e62ceb92e62ce60eb80ee60eb80e9eca6a989eca6a985cff89cb5cff89cb
asciilifeform: looks like a standard mirrormod
mircea_popescu: buncha them, really.
asciilifeform: well yeah
mircea_popescu: 2339dbf02339dbf0b97fc3efb97fc3efe42d1ab5e42d1ab5a9917e72a9917e72c71535d5c71535d58238a2cd8238a2cd7d43a0b27d43a0b24ebfa6664ebfa6660bbfeaa90bbfeaa94d312b834d312b833e8898503e889850824696df824696df6411dd0f6411dd0f5f5d20475f5d2047f5d3431bf5d3431b16f6fdfd16f6fdfd
asciilifeform: we have http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462672 of them as of last count. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 16:32 asciilifeform: 153
mircea_popescu: i mean specifically the 128 byte ones.
asciilifeform: that'd be any 1024b mod, no?
mircea_popescu: dude there's soemthing amiss here.
asciilifeform: hm?
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0Q15SM1 << take this. it's in hex right ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: 4096 characters = 2048 bytes = 16384 bits ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: he has NINE "vulnerable" 16kb moduli ?
mircea_popescu: who even fucking uses 16kb rsa.
mircea_popescu: is that even a rsa modulus ?
asciilifeform: i saw at least 1 of these.
mircea_popescu: can't be verified, of course, because he publishes some random strings.
mircea_popescu: these, to my eyes, count as EXACTLY nothing.
BingoBoingo: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Trigglypuff
BingoBoingo: Note that Trigglypuff like Gavin lives in Amherst, MASSachussetts
mircea_popescu: for all this is work, he ran /u/random for a while.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561245D928FF0843F5F346549A73B46C6836E3B2BE309DC7F6CCAFCF7F17795C
asciilifeform: ^ one such
mircea_popescu: care to calc the fingerprint of the one i dpasted and see if it exists irl ?
asciilifeform: will do this when i get back to the right console
asciilifeform: for all of them, in fact.
mircea_popescu: randomly looking : 299120016550324784203428319 aka F76D2096C15EFF95C9F1DF not on his list ; 1888753310995198753 aka 1A3633211A363321 not on his list, ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that's 2 of 2, what the fuck am i even doing here.
mircea_popescu: derp pulled some random digits out of his ass, end of story.
asciilifeform: oh guess what
asciilifeform: gpg --recv-key cbe2d0bd
asciilifeform: ... not found on keyserver
mircea_popescu: awww!
asciilifeform: (your example)
mircea_popescu: so... not only did he lie about having run the code ; once getting called on it, he ACTUALLY FABRICATED SOME EXAMPLES.
asciilifeform: either that or he used ft meade's sks
mircea_popescu: nice going.
asciilifeform: that has keys from mars in it.
mircea_popescu: yaright.
asciilifeform: or these are ssl keyz
punkman: there are 16kb keys in the wild
asciilifeform: from henninger
asciilifeform: punkman: i linked to one earlier
asciilifeform: on phuctor.
mircea_popescu: punkman sure there are.
punkman: asciilifeform: did you say something about recovering pubkeys from rsa signatures in the past?
asciilifeform: punkman: yes, it is not difficult
asciilifeform: but you need a number of sigs.
asciilifeform: more - better.
mircea_popescu: what was it, 1024 sigs for 4096 rsa key ?
asciilifeform: iforget.
asciilifeform: it is in the logz somewhere.
phf: ok, came back from dinner, it looks like dnmarchives is pulling at my connection capacity
mircea_popescu: it looks like what ?
mircea_popescu: oh the torrent ? cool. is it actually 50gb ?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/1/10/Triggly_Puff_Dating_Profile.jpg
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: "I'm socially awkward and hate wearing clothes" <<< Dear Lord.
phf: 48g and a 206m "padding file"
trinque: cisheteropatriarchy << rolls right off the tongue
mircea_popescu: phf not bad!
mircea_popescu: shinohai hey, the idea of even dressing young women indoors is bizarre.
shinohai: I cannot see trigglpuff as "young woman" by any stretch of imagination.
shinohai: http://i.imgur.com/mHoDqf8.jpg <<< moar like it
mircea_popescu: well, she's obese, but otherwise under 30 no ?
BingoBoingo: Impossible to ascertain
BingoBoingo: Same way it is impossible to tell if Gavin is older than 12
mircea_popescu: i guess. i come from a world where women under 30 aren't allowed at uni anwyay.
mircea_popescu: and by under i mean over*
asciilifeform: no hot henningerz at mircea_popescu's uni, i take it?
mircea_popescu: woman got shit to do, ain't nobody got time to fuck around in postdocs forever.
mircea_popescu: $up fromphuctor
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: I wonder what mircea_popescu would do to trilema readers if trigglypuff cam in here to do the "I'll pay for your tits" thing.
mircea_popescu: what, you don't wanna see her tits ?
shinohai: even xhamster announced they would not pay for nudez of her.
mircea_popescu: trilema is more daring than xhamster i guess.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bok.txt ☟︎
asciilifeform: do i need to explain this
asciilifeform: or is it obvious.
asciilifeform: seems like he even bagged a few folks we didn't, e.g,. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E11CDF14DD89647BC7B12CEAA217D3FFFBD37D6640295728BEC80235ED76367F
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that mircea_popescu was right
asciilifeform: not re the 'random numbers out of his arse'
asciilifeform: because this obviously wasn't it
asciilifeform: but that boeck is the ~perp~, laughing at us.
deedbot: [Trilema] Mr. Right - http://trilema.com/2016/mr-right/
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1463062 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 21:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bok.txt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform interesting
mircea_popescu: so i fell on the exactly... one he had out of thin air ?
mircea_popescu: well meanwhile google only shows trilema for any hannob/pgpmoduli search i do ; and i dunno how to derive an actual location from that url. when was the vuln moduli .txt published ?
mircea_popescu: "updated_at": "2016-05-02T16:54:14Z" according to github...
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is absolute proof he copied the phuctor results without understanding them. otherwise it is plain impossible he has a list of "vulnerable moduli" that is more extensive than phuctor's all the while having a list of factors that includes ~none of the factors phuctor found ☟︎
mircea_popescu: where ~none is extrapolated on the basis of 2 assays coming up with 0 hits.
punkman: http://www.curiousgnu.com/reddit-godwin
phf: ok am seeding complete dnmarchive
mircea_popescu: cool!
mircea_popescu: how's your side punkman ?
phf: also in lieu of working on btcbase i figured out how to make my crawler download really fast, so now i'm running into rate limiting :/
mircea_popescu: on what ?
phf: keybase
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: how many users did you end up with so far ?
phf: not many, 30k something
mircea_popescu: unique ?
phf: yes
mircea_popescu: then you're ahead of me, i only see 13.5k
phf: 26214 14866
phf: unique users, pending to process
mircea_popescu: hm ?
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: aite, ima call this off then, you're way ahead.
phf: it's now consistently returning empty documents even with two workers, i'm probably on some ban list
mircea_popescu: heh. why push it lol.
phf: i'll upload the list once it starts looking like i'm exhausting the graph. should've been saving the graph info come to think of it
mircea_popescu: anyway, i've implemented a truly braindamaged algo,
mircea_popescu: cat keybase.io | while read derp; do curl "https://keybase.io/$derp" | grep ' class="username "' | sed 's/" class/\n/' | grep "a href" | sed 's% <a href="/%%' | sort -u > keybase2.io ; done
mircea_popescu: it just cycles that, takes a while.
phf: well, you said something about 50k+, and by the time i came back from lunch my single thread solution got about 19k, so i went "no way in hell is mp's awk/bash hackery going to beat my leet python script", which promptly got me ratebanned
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i had forgotten to dedupe the list.
mircea_popescu: deduped it's at ~13232 rightnao.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1463079 << he has most of our mods. and broke at least one that's still green on phuctor ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 22:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is absolute proof he copied the phuctor results without understanding them. otherwise it is plain impossible he has a list of "vulnerable moduli" that is more extensive than phuctor's all the while having a list of factors that includes ~none of the factors phuctor found
asciilifeform: and got a bunch of mods we dun have afaik. from ????.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then why doesn't his factor list list the factors ?
mircea_popescu: see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1463011 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 20:57 mircea_popescu: randomly looking : 299120016550324784203428319 aka F76D2096C15EFF95C9F1DF not on his list ; 1888753310995198753 aka 1A3633211A363321 not on his list,
asciilifeform: waaaaitasec
asciilifeform: it doesn't??!
asciilifeform: should.
asciilifeform: you tried, and none of them divided the mod?!
mircea_popescu: i took some of the factors we found, converted them to hex, and looked for them in his list. not there.
asciilifeform: our factors are composites
mircea_popescu: so are his.
mircea_popescu: what, 3000000003 is prime now ?
mircea_popescu: (in fact MOST of his "factors" are that, mirror bs, 19, 35, 65, etc)
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: if you look through the list. 5f0000005f is not distinct from 50000005, even if wc -l will count them each
mircea_popescu: and he simply does not have enough DATA in that file to account for more than maybe 1/5 or so of the factors phuctor found
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: ie, we have composites, yes, but about 12kb of primes.
mircea_popescu: he has more lines, 500 bytes worth of primes, and supposedly more factored moduli
mircea_popescu: doth not wash.
asciilifeform: i suppose i'll divide'em, later.
mircea_popescu: really, not worth the effort. the entire thing exists simply to waste your time.
asciilifeform: i wanna know why he popped one we hadnt
mircea_popescu: can pretty much ignore him from here out, for all the difference his miserable existence will ever make to anyone.
asciilifeform: imho he may well be the perp
asciilifeform: the original one
mircea_popescu: that a liar claims something doth not mean it is also worth investigating.
mircea_popescu: that schmuck ? gimme a break.
mircea_popescu: he didn't perp the insemination of his wife, what.
asciilifeform: easy to test.
asciilifeform: his primez will fatten the 8ball for a run and we see.
mircea_popescu: as foretold in ... THE VERY LOGS!
mircea_popescu: good thing you had hopper added.
phf: ha
phf: reusing the same connection session fixed the rate limiting problem
phf: at 31k now
asciilifeform: brb
phf: same
jurov: so, should i mess with the gpg conversion? or is there going to be possibility to feed raw (e,N,userinfo) data directly?
jurov: to phuctor