assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 18:48:35; asciilifeform: whereas the real issue is, whether google should be permitted to stuff arbitrary strange into mainline kernel on their say-so
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 19:03:30; asciilifeform: the folks who are willing to use 'lynx' for 100% of their www needs already know who they are.
mircea_popescu: i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: if anyone claims something beats text he means that a) he's stupid and b) given a it's easier for him. fuck that person with old transformer cores.
mircea_popescu: you will not behehehelieve the improvements of productivity once you simply do not any longer support the methods of timewasters.
mircea_popescu: "no audio, no video, if you can't write it so i feel like reading it you never happened."
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah i saw that last year
ben_vulpes: it actually choked on my passport name
ben_vulpes: oh man i changed my name and have a new passport
ben_vulpes: i have to pay the reciprocity fee again don't i
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the link in question is about amazon's use of emacs in their frontline customer support
ben_vulpes: what, do i bring all of my name change paperwork?
ben_vulpes: it's my own statal agents i've gotta convince the papers are legit.
ben_vulpes: they actually won't let you on the plane without the paper printed out.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've seen the "amusement park ticket" requirement for Argentina.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> the ar entry fee gizmo, that is << lol wtf, you have to pay a 'reciprocity fee'?
mod6: mp: you run .ar now right? just tell 'em im comin and it's all good.
danielpbarron: that meowmix character found me on another irc network -- i recognize the hostmask; it appears to be from my area as well
mod6: jesus cristo, $160!?
danielpbarron: i created a folder to dump all the undeletable apps and hide the whole thing on the last page
danielpbarron: oo what about a shoe phone like in those old detective shows
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mod6: i wont be there until like 9-10am friday morning. i leave on thursday afternoon.
cazalla: danielpbarron: i created a folder to dump all the undeletable apps and hide the whole thing on the last page <<< hah i do this too and the folder is titled useless
cazalla: but i don't use my phone much at all now since i was relegated back to iphone 4 after smashing the 5, if it wasn't for google maps i'd get rid of it
cazalla: tldr is that it's shutting down
cazalla: gigaom was some tech site or other, never really read it tbh, just knew of the name
cazalla: not that it's notable, just serves as another example of what is to come for similar sites
cazalla: as for bezzle.. "22.3 Million in 6 Rounds from 8 Investors " didn't seem to help
decimation: asciilifeform: re: passports < did you notice that the us state dept. now issues an 'rf proof' sleeve with all passports?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the ar entry fee gizmo, that is << i don't think you can readily imagine how tech retarded the argentines actually are.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> i have to pay the reciprocity fee again don't i << reciprocisquat all the names!
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decimation: apparently the state department 'officially admitted' that the passports were insecure and leaked info
decimation: re: apple watch < my question: did they spend an extra $10 for a temperature compensated crystal oscillator or does it have a cheapass crystal which requires constant correction
decimation: not that it much matters, given that it will barely work for a day without charging
mircea_popescu: <mod6> mp: you run .ar now right? just tell 'em im comin and it's all good. < haha nah.
decimation: ah apparently not. that makes it absolutely worthless for any purpose
decimation: yeah. I would be interested in it if it could be used as a heart-rate monitor only
decimation: but apple isn't in the business of making functionality
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: anything damning we ought to know about 'Aerolineas Argentinas' ? << i think they've notlost a plane yet.
mod6: mircea_popescu: is someone coming to pick me up from the aeropuerto tho?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> hoster? << gigaom was a ms shill back when ballmer was new and ms thought blogs might matter.
mircea_popescu: "Gigaom is winding down and its assets are now controlled by the company’s lenders. It is not how you want the story of a company you founded to end. " << ahaha. this is so fucking convenient.
mircea_popescu: goes with my "Remember the inept newsweek goon, Leah McGrath Goodman ? The chick with the mortgage she can't pay on her own ? Like that other chick, like each and every other chick in this quagmire of chickdom ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: That's the thing. It looks like it should work, on the surface. If you don't dig too deeply, you may even come to the mistaken belief it worked for others. Meanwhile... Social Studies Do Not Work."
decimation: so the eu announced they would be printing euros, and in reaction german gov't bonds... rallied?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can enjoy your discounts, vipness is accomodating.
decimation: 'nobody was fired for buying microsoft'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that thing is pretty much THE showcase thing, about 20 feet tall, two blocks from center of town, right by natl theatre
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 18:49:19; asciilifeform: a good chunk of the reputation of linus t. is that he's been fairly effective at keeping a lid on this kind of thing, historically
mircea_popescu: isn't nice"/up to whatever libertarded snuff miss the point by a planetsize. his capital 100% consists of reliably telling "authorities" to go fuck themselves. sorta like me, in his field.
mircea_popescu: which is why he is a central figure, and a nail off which many hats are hung. the moment he comes loose off of that, he lost it all.
mircea_popescu: this mentioned mostly to explain why om malik was never worth anything, and the "entrepreneurship" he deludes himself with / defrauded naive investors with pure puff.
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 19:09:12; thestringpuller: punkman: keybase is forcing users to trust in central authority rather than forcing users to learn "their lessons"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: we may never know. just thought it was relevant when I saw it on r/bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the fact that it's one of the lamest "superheroes" (ghost something i dun recall) of one of the lamest "brands" (hanna-barbera, makers of utter age of crap atrocities like scooby doo and the jetsons) only bolsters the point
thestringpuller: Space Ghost had a night show before Colbert did you know...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, do you get tamarillo's over that way?
cazalla: i read they grow em next door in chile.. quite nice (old guy over the back has a tree)
cazalla: it's like a tomato and passionfruit combined
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mircea_popescu: all fields have hierarchy. good fields like finance, consulting and [good] engineering have competence based hierarchy. bad fields like women in tech, women in blabla have derpage based hierarchy.
mircea_popescu: props to the idiot women running tech crunch nowadays tho, going to town with their typically idiotic "we claim nonsense as fact, because bois are generally too shy to tell us to stuff it"
mircea_popescu: "I’ve always been curious what all these people have been up to in the Valley. Where do they go all day? What do they do? If we are so surrounded by lackluster talent, how do we build all of these companies that seem to be taking over the world?"
mircea_popescu: i'd prefer the opposite of b, but in no case am i interested in anything but the opposite of a.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2015 23:56:03; asciilifeform: lol, rappoport! directly affiliated with d. icke, iirc? who gave us the lizards ?
decimation: ben_vulpes: did you solve your osx emacs woes?
decimation: the macports 'emacs-app' works fine for me
danielpbarron: i guess it wasn't bitcoind that caused the power cycle; just happened again just now and it wasn't running..
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> so perhaps it was -that- rappoport << seems entirely plausible
decimation: ben_vulpes: lol, maybe we can 'seo' the brains of prospective hires
mircea_popescu: i knew that church idiot wasn't the only cockroach in the kitchen
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is going to be the next personal trainer.
decimation: actually he is making exactly the same error that you claim the iq testing guys are making
decimation: the ability solve random puzzle games probably has nearly nothing to do with being a productive employee
decimation: it might yield interesting patterns across large demographics, but the bridge of causality has yet to be constructed
mircea_popescu: just like the pizzeria that gives you a cute plushie isn't necessarily going to be the best pizza for your buck.
decimation: there is a mystery: plenty of folks sit around all day playing WoW, etc for hours, and yet cannot find a productive 'real job'
mircea_popescu: the job thing cuts so low that it is absolutely NEVER the case ANYONE couldn't find a job. it's just they do not wish to do the jobs available to them.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd and 3rd degree losses from this far outstrip the 1st degree.
mircea_popescu: ie, random imbecile 20something figures it's ok for him to forego employment as the guy bagging my groceries on the grounds that he can do without the 380 a week that job pays, and besides, he's a college grad! so he plays wow.
mircea_popescu: this does not cost him just the 380, but also the ease of interacting with people that job would have forced upon him. so he has no girlfriend.
mircea_popescu: and also the sort of self discipline that job forces on him, so he is now also fat.
mircea_popescu: these are 2nd degree. then the town he lives in goes to shit, because no servants can be found, so smart people leave and usg moves in.
mircea_popescu: that's the 3rd degree. soon enough the whole charade collapsed.
decimation: then he's lowered into peasant-hood and has to work to eat?
mircea_popescu: he gets killed by a "terrorist" who proceeds to rape his corpse and boil his pet.
decimation: heh. others of his kind post on reddit about how terrible this is
mircea_popescu: i suppose the terrorist can then wipe his bloody tool on reddit screencaps printed on archival paper
mircea_popescu: a normally functioning economy would incentivize him to get out of the loop, by for instance starvation. however... all this desire to "help people" the wrong way, and the overpowered and hyperactive mothers that overprotect the squirrulous fruit of their womb makes any sort of meaningful rescue impossible.
ben_vulpes: ahaha so let me trumpet the superiority of my woman for a moment
ben_vulpes: her mother's been banging on for a visit recently
ben_vulpes: lady v has scheduled this trip to coincide with con3
ben_vulpes: wags was a bust last round according to you
cazalla: danielpbarron, lol @rabite blocked me now
ben_vulpes: the troll who trained shanley? blocking trolls?
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: terrorist < eh, I don't see it. what does it benefit the terrorist to even bother?
decimation: other than being a megalomaniac and/or sick fuck
decimation: on another note, another lesson to learn from the french revolution: the problem with being a lefty populist is that there's always someone else who is a little more left and a little more populist
decimation: because unlike reactionaries, nobody on the left can actually claim to legitimately vest sovereignty in a particular person - all leftist government are of a temporary and emergency nature
cazalla: not that i'd buy one, but at least these new mac laptops have 16:10 display.. with all the 16:9's doing away with master race 16:10's, it must be coming back into fashion
decimation: asciilifeform: re: old macbooks < apparently coreboot supports the old 1,1 and 2,1 macbooks
decimation: the main issue are all the peripherals. they sort of work.
decimation: more interesting are all of the server motherboards, but it seems like support is limited to old opterons
ben_vulpes: why is suspend to ram such a big deal?
ben_vulpes: also tonight the beast acquired a new trick: "hold the fuck still while i put things on you"
cazalla: i love dogs but a dog in the house.. i dunno mang
cazalla: my staffy lived for 16 years and she was only permitted into the laundry
cazalla: asciilifeform, towel or gown is my bed
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ben_vulpes: y'no see the tag, and the drapes, and the tag, and the being of in the bathroom?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> other than being a megalomaniac and/or sick fuck << kinda the definition.
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BingoBoingo: No idea if they have? can they afford a tld?
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 00:04:10; mircea_popescu: i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever.
ben_vulpes: redoing modern compute is impossible without your own icbm and maintenance staff for.
ben_vulpes: it's a trillion dollar project if you swallow the whole spitoon of what constitutes modern computing.
mircea_popescu: the world was apparently content to wait fifty fucking years for us to come along
mircea_popescu: it's so apt that, you know that ilf of ilf & petrov fame also was an initialism ?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, it is unclear to me that the notion of "fonts" adds any value whatsoever and is anything other than shitgnomism, 80s flavour.
mircea_popescu: not to mention i still distinctly recall my cat-ish mistrust as an 8 yo boy confronted with "special symbols". why exactly something like $ is even needed, or useful, is imo still open to debate.
mircea_popescu: 27 fucking letters and be happy if you get case next version.
cazalla: thestringpuller, ya see hotline miami 2 is out.. i didn't, it's fucking banned in australia lol
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davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu hory shet, i was just thinking about this, how every single bitcoin noob and nigger displays this particular feature, he has "found a problem", and "wants to fix it"
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cazalla: davout, that 20mb block size limit thread derailed 50 pages back
davout: kakobrekla: you're not coming to BA btw?
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cazalla: I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin — the next major release, which will be sometime
cazalla: in the June timeframe — to have a scheduled hardfork to increase the block size in it. I probably won’t get there. It’ll probably be in the release after that, but we’ll see.
cazalla: i'll give you one guess as to who i am quoting
davout: cazalla: gah-veen of course
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adlai: cazalla: battle royale << i'm sorry but that was a terrible movie, basically Running Man without arnie = worthless
cazalla: adlai, are you sure you're not confusing br1 with br2?
adlai: usually i like cult films but this is an exception, if it wasn't for hours of boredom that had to be staved off somehow i'd never have even finished it
adlai: hmmaybe? i just watched whatever the other sergeant said was a movie we had to watch
adlai spent >90% of his lifelong screen-watching-time in the army
cazalla: i enjoyed it but it's not exactly up there amongst my top fav cult films, that spot is claimed by a chinese ghost story and the young and dangerous series
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cazalla: i'll have to check that one out
adlai: what really amazed/disappointed me was that NONE of the initial press coverage of 'soylent cream' mentioned 'soylent green'
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assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 00:04:10; mircea_popescu: i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever.
jurov: i concede all the other attempts were feeble, but it may not be the ultimate case
mircea_popescu: the day someone makes derp++ and starts iterating splines in a cube conditional, we can revisit this.
mircea_popescu: that said, feel free to draw out your love and other emotions, preferably directly on the object, with sticky matter.
jurov: that's not what i'm saying
jurov: i'm saying it looks like local optimum and when retina is fully reverse-engineered, better methods may be found
jurov: but everyone is so used to text, it will be hard
mircea_popescu: that somehow didn't emerge. so wait, reverse engineer the retina ? in what sense ? it's pretty well described as is
jurov: even if, the knowledge is not yet being used in practice to achieve better bitrates
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mircea_popescu: i think the bitrate approach misses the fundamental point here. you'll never beat the bitrate of "put out random pixels" with any bitmap approach.
mircea_popescu: this is where anything but text fails : no abstractive power.
mircea_popescu: a curve does not meaningfully stand for a set of curves like a word stands for a set of words.
jurov: there was the cad example, for curves that meaningfully stand for something
mircea_popescu: only because there's a textual context to generously support it.
mircea_popescu: and if you can't do that, which is the absolute bare minimum of communication, you can't do anything meaningful.,
jurov: you don't tell me what i can do and don't. i already combine charts and text for production code
jurov: but i consider things like drakon editor a feeble attempt led by gut feeling of russina mathematicians
mircea_popescu: well actually, yeah, this is what i do :) my fucking thesis was on the limits of knowledge.
jurov: and woinder if they have known what we know of retina, how would it end up
mircea_popescu: an' i'm tellin' you, "visual" is not a complete language.
mircea_popescu: obviously it's an adjunct. everything can be an adjunct to speech.
dignork: jurov: afaik it was russian project where they tried to build complex software, like space c&c.
mircea_popescu: (In linguistics, an adjunct is an optional, or structurally dispensable, part of a sentence, clause, or phrase that, if removed or discarded, will not otherwise affect the remainder of the sentence.)
jurov: lol. you know deafies are considering whole speech as "dispensable"
jurov: signs are teh best!!1
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "my ms dos fixedsys display is graphical"
jurov: not for prelingval deaf, the "grammar" is purely visual
jurov: and they hate the 1:1 attempts to translat speech into signs
mircea_popescu: eh, while i can appreciate the theoretical beauty of this "fuck you, i'm a dragon" approach, i do not credit it any. in fact, i think it only exists because the context is of the "fuck you, dragons" nature.
mircea_popescu: and i think the sort of idiots running around pretending "everything;'s something!11" are doing deaf people a major disfavor.
jurov: as compared to pretending "text is everything and forever will be"?
jurov: i have videos and podcasts as anyone, but this?
mircea_popescu: let's move it in a different field. you acquainted with the happenstance that iconoclastic civilisations prospered intellectually whereas iconocladic civilisations failed ?
jurov: egypt prospered thousands of yeats with *very* augmented text
mircea_popescu: to be fair, i loved the "visual equalizer" in whatever program first played mp3s on 386s, single session. and obviously computers are for pronz.
jurov: the original discussion was that having X*Y fixed terminal is sufficient for every intellectual endeavor
jurov: that was what prompted me
mircea_popescu: more like, "x*y field terminal is great for cutting out timewasters"
mircea_popescu: it forces people to think, and it simplifies the task of rooting out thoise who haven't. exactly the opposite service of a powerpoint presentation.
mircea_popescu: adlai you're not seriously proposing innovative pagination turns text into "graphical" do you ?
adlai proposes nothing, just dumps links in the logs
mircea_popescu: particularly bad example too, quicksort is like seven lines forty words.
adlai: i've not yet encountered something which worked better for me than text, but i'm not sold on it being the global maximum, short of sticking wires in the brain
mircea_popescu: well, more like, "if you can't say it in words you've not understood it"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i will use your own body to defeat you! how long did you spent with the box, and how much did you make in that time ?
adlai: how about "if you can't present it in an original fashion, you've not understood it"
mircea_popescu: no it didn't. modern mathematics began once they gave up the "mysticism" and "unexpressible" and "obvious" visual/intuitive nonsense and started putting everything in words.
adlai: granted, most presentations will be words
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well then that's all i got, because i've never spent considerable enough time with one to say anything cogent.
adlai: !s SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v
adlai: eh, the information in a video can be reliably conveyed through a transcript
adlai: until then, i'm here
adlai remains silent, to leave some doubt
adlai: that's nice, for the shelf
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adlai: why not write it in lisp?
adlai: in this case, the problem is that limitations push upwards
mircea_popescu: well... chicks not having two cunts certainly has made it so we don't have two penises, amirite ?
adlai: the basic idea is an obvious limitation of von neumann
mircea_popescu: well actually, under the "least bugs in code" criteria, the best programming was done 1100ad - 1700ad.
mircea_popescu: i still dunno why you think the current notation is somehow nonverbal.
mircea_popescu: well that's your point, but notrly what was discussed. a simple mapping from that to "integral" and problem solved.
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mircea_popescu: the very general case where it's easier to show me than to tell me reduces to pr0n.
mircea_popescu: (/me could have been deformed by years of insisting pets verbalize as part of their education)
mircea_popescu: the more important point here was if you're somehow going to leverage the visual processor to think with, rather than whether it sometimes saves representative space for the linguistic processor to conveniently symbolize.
mircea_popescu: natural language "ambiguity" is a machine problem, not a human problem.
jurov: there are cases linguistic processor may require storage of more than 7 items
adlai sees a surprising parallel between processing a long string of characters and the von neumann approach to executing a linear sequence instructions referring an array of memory...
jurov: which it the core of the problem
mircea_popescu: there's no understanding involved in mashing the bits together. i also teach cooking by example only.
jurov: and mnemonics is all about replacing the stuff eith rememberable *visual* interpretation
jurov: i'm trying to get at that... you have to convert text into some internal representation in order to store more thasn 7 items
adlai: 7 is some average (mode?) though, rather than a neurological law.
jurov: so why it not possivble to feed these more directly to the brain?
mircea_popescu: jurov you know this is nonsense. i store thousands of items.
jurov: i have seen you to mangle several names for example
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, my articles are generally preformed and i just tyoe them out.
mircea_popescu: and it doesn't start with pharma, freud was closer to a fraud than anything. and all the way back.
jurov: ^ yes, that i meant by "feeble attempts" to present nontext information
mircea_popescu: if memory made intelligence, computers'd be pretty smart.
jurov: the human memory is content addressable. computers are very poor at that
jurov: yes, that. but it is fully parallel comparison really doable on 2D silicon?
nubbins`: "As well as targeting the iPhone and iPad directly, the CIA also claims to have developed a poisoned version of Xcode, the software development tool used by app developers to create the apps sold through Apple's hugely successful App Store. It is unclear how the CIA managed to get developers to use the poisoned version of Xcode, but it would have allowed the CIA install backdoors into any apps created using their version."
adlai: antecedent failure... for a moment, parsed that as [firstlook] cite thompson... but i guess they're just journalists
adlai: eh, you can describe this picture in less than 1000
mircea_popescu: the only reason that picture is even meaningful to you is because you long ago digested its text
mircea_popescu: so now it's symbolized and you look at it and you figure hey, it's so much better than text
adlai: the only text which i needed was the filename
mircea_popescu: not unlike ruby programmer imagining "o wow, so much better than asm".
adlai would've had to use trial-and-error to figure out which gate was represented, if the filename hadn't specified it
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it translates to text quite perfectly well, and plainly : "if and only if". but this is familiar to people trained in humanities more than in cs i guess.
adlai is trying to actually understand what loper-os links to...
mircea_popescu has been spending some time looking at this circuitry, understands why it backfeeds now.
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mircea_popescu: i'll note you'd have had a much more reliable response had you described rather than shown :)!!!
mircea_popescu: seeing how i'm not an electrical engineer, i'm prone to misinterpret. the boon of ignorance.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there;s a limit of how many you can plop together before you end up in some novel hell
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PeterL: asciilifeform:but going back to mathematical notation for a spell - let's write, e.g., a gnarly triple integral, in plain humanlang. << When writing such an integral, I use words in my head as I put down the symbols (eg. integral from 0 to 2pi integral from 0 to 1 integral from 4r^2 to 4 of xdxrdrd(theta) )
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jurov: "windows detected? zap it"
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HeySteve: not sure how it improves over bitmessage
adlai hasn't, beyond knowing that they claim to not require everybody to store everything (which bitmessage requires)
ascii_field: 'subspace' >> 'Unfortunately, downloading all messages scales very poorly. In Subspace, we use a filtering technique that allows us to mix our messages with a user-defined subset of the total message space, reducing your bandwidth consumption while preserving your privacy.' >> shitgnomism
adlai: the catcher in the _field
ascii_field: 'let's do this thing except we'll do it without actually doing it because actually doing it is omghardm4thish4rd and weloveruby'
ascii_field: in other news, apparently apple released a portable machine that not only has slower cpu clock than the typical such box 5 yrs. ago - but cannot charge and use an external peripheral at the same time!
kakobrekla: i heard the 100 dorra device you plug into it can indeed charge at same time as you use usb or whatever it is
thestringpuller: "I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin — the next major release, which wi
☟︎ ascii_field: the turdmeisters replacing the genuine blockchain download process with an 'equivalent' one that 'omg111itfinallyscales!!11' - was inevitable
☟︎ ascii_field: take something that works but doesn't 'democratize' enough, or can be spun as such, and replace it with sham 'equivalent'
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assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment.
☟︎ adlai: "fight fire with fire" breaks down when The Law is above itself
ascii_field: the only thing statal (vs tribal) law ever was, is a '3 ring binder' affair to simplify peasant-herding
ascii_field: so you (crown) don't have to personally sit and review every idiot land dispute, stray ox, etc
ascii_field: but the (very modern!) notion that the state would or could tie its own hands - lunacy.
jurov: "since french revolution" is "very modern" ?
jurov: and some such idea can be discerned in Roman Republic, too
PeterL: ascii_field: there is something to be said for making it hard to change laws, if changing the law is too easy then nobody will be able to keep track of it
PeterL: big changes get put in the news, usually
PeterL: right, I am not saying the current system is good
kakobrekla: so if its not good why want to change it slowly
PeterL: well, once you get a good system, then make it change slowly
PeterL: bleh, maybe I just have no idea what I am talking about
thestringpuller: ;;later tell danielpbarron re: hosting images, direct that inuiry to BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> in other news, apparently apple released a portable machine that not only has slower cpu clock than the typical such box 5 yrs. ago - but cannot charge and use an external peripheral at the same time! << they want you to buy a thing to make more holes
cazalla: kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment. <<< might be the funniest thing i've read for a while
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cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu lucy, u got some 'splain' to do!
cazalla: how interesting is that eh
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mircea_popescu: btw - only a few days left, hurry up in case the btc collapses.
davout: mircea_popescu: ty for the quote
davout: however, it has more than 8 decimal places
davout: and if we're doing signatures it's probably the payment address that needs to be signed along with the amount
mircea_popescu: davout it's a running joke with jurov and others that watch the mpex statements :)
mircea_popescu: davout notrly, because i may have to verify people later, in person, whereas you won't have to verify payments later in a different venue.
thestringpuller: like nubbins` joking about dufflebag of cocaine in trunk while we cross canadian border
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: how much was it from up there in the mountains?
ascii_field: i like how plane ticket is more expensive than VIP ticket << where'ya flying from
davout: mircea_popescu: i noticed the decimals thing on mike_c's quote as well :)
davout: as for the signature, how do i verify your wordpress wasn't haxxored?
davout: with mandatory s.nsa collider std check
ascii_field: incidentally, if someone wants to generate a fatter key, now would probably be a good time
mircea_popescu: davout for one, it's the sameaddress everyone else paid to
mircea_popescu: ascii_field has an excellent point : this is a fine time to make new keys / reorganize the keyplan, make a master key which then signs other keys as you need etc.
davout: mebbe the haxxorer also changed other addresses on the same page, signing can't really hurt can it
mircea_popescu: also i'm very well connected into the old style strong set, so there is that.
mircea_popescu: davout it can't hurt but i'm about to hop in a car. will make a deed when im back later
mircea_popescu: speaking of which yo trinque ! old deeds ? new display style ?
davout: mircea_popescu: no worries, just poking at you
mircea_popescu: (also what i meant was, you can check thje address see payments received)
davout: which dates and amounts i crosscheck against... teh webpage :p
davout: thestringpuller: marry a french chick i guess
davout: thestringpuller: why do you want a communist nation's passport anyway?
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeh, in sqlite it's all still broken into parts; I might be able to hax that tonight
davout: (and technically you could also marry a french dude!)
davout: i presume anchor kids could also work
davout: or just come, hang around naked on a beach, pretend you're amnesiac
ascii_field: davout: whatcha gonna suggest next, the 'foreign legion', lol
davout: ascii_field: hah! that too
davout: go marry a french legionnaire
_FeltPen: excellent. qntra does good work, that site is how I discovered this channel. fwiw.
ascii_field: but did you really expect microshit to patch without opening a new orifice? because that'd be a first.
ascii_field: in fact (not big secret!) professional 0day-diggers regard microshit's patches as a golden source of goodies
ascii_field: and occupy much of their time reversing them
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Not at all, but it is interesting how the ghost of HP is trying to do anything it can to say "Butt weur gud guiz, buy from us"
adlai: not his fault, he got framed