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ben_vulpes: does the political power du jour really go so far as to entirely alienate the rentiers?
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 04:09:15; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein)
ben_vulpes: i'm sure there's some fatalistic reasoning against buying property and renting it out in this scenario
gabriel_laddel: Incidentally, a friend of mine from Romania told me a story about what happened to his family's house during the communist revolution: It was seized, concrete was poured on the (expensive hardwood!) floors after it was stripped of any valuables.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 05:31:28; asciilifeform: 'Astolphe de Custine was brought up for a time by a faithful servant, living in penury with her in the only room of the Custine home that had not been looted and sealed off by Jacobin zealots and thieves.'
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 05:30:22; asciilifeform: one man's 300k is not the same as another's
gabriel_laddel: I've listened to my friends talk about their sibling's lives at google. They make (nominally) lots of money, but it all is consumed by the costs of living.
gabriel_laddel: I think this "Stanislav Datskovskiy" guy has the right idea though...
gabriel_laddel: In an "arbeit macht frei" world, will you - in particular - be permitted to busy yourself with writing unorthodox operating systems - or, for that matter, articles like this one? Or with carving wooden toys?
gabriel_laddel: Who gets to become a "delicate aristocrat," dodging carving duty, and why?
gabriel_laddel: Could we instead ask for concertina wire, mine fields, and automatic turrets separating the human beings - with their robotic plenty - from the zombies, with their decay and hunger for flesh?
gabriel_laddel: Has anyone considered the possibility that the living dead are kept around, safe from the Soilent Green pot, encouraged to be fruitful and multiply, etc. precisely to help make arbeit macht frei ever so slowly more palatable to the remaining humans?
gabriel_laddel: I hope you like carving toys (or demunging databases) for Mr. Altman and his ilk. Because that is what we'll both be doing soon enough. If permitted to live...
gabriel_laddel: "Where do you want to go today?" To a Sharashka or garden-variety GULAG? Largely a matter of taste (and luck.)
gabriel_laddel: I don't think it's a scam exactly... what they want is for nothing to change, and he provided it. :/
gabriel_laddel: "why funded and by whom ?" << I really can't figure this out, it's like the relationship the USG club have with the Saudis. *mumble mumble* ... little boys... *mumble mumble*
gabriel_laddel: Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while...
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: Also, I /don't like/ the macbook retina, fancy as it may be
gabriel_laddel: unsurprising. Mine would get extremely hot for no particular reason.
gabriel_laddel: (I have a $300 compaq that I prefer to any apple crapware - same one as MP iirc)
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gabriel_laddel: Yes. Someone needs to specify their requirements, then someone else needs to take a trip to china, find suppliers etc. and assemble somthing sane. Like system76, except not for Ubuntu crap
gabriel_laddel: Also, MP gave 20K to openBSD - there are people willing to fund such ventures.
gabriel_laddel: I'd happily pay 100k for a computer that actual /worked/
gabriel_laddel: My point with the 20k is that there are individuals who are willing to fund such ventures. Yes, MP hasn't put up 5MM usd for sane computing, but afaik, no one has proposed such a plan to him.
gabriel_laddel: I disagree. You want to do this in one fell swoop. There are other ways to go about it.
gabriel_laddel: If your goal is to do a chip level restart, one needn't start there, from a business perspective.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: after putting your brain through x86 etc. you're unable to think non-von neumann?
BingoBoingo: "Cocaine Induced Brain Atrophy" is the obstacle
gabriel_laddel: my search failed, but I specifically remember you complaining in here about what you currently do. You've been doing this for some time now iirc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it << With regard to this
gabriel_laddel: also, I've been doing this programming thing for going on 3 years - let me be clear - I /hate/ it.
gabriel_laddel: related to "cocaine" - the only way I can do boring parsing tasks anymore is by drinking enough caffine to get high.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: When you make your fortune on stupidity, the cocaine you can afford makes you liek the stupidity
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Could also be called yacht or pile of hookers induced brain atrophy
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gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: well yes, c does modify the rewards pathway, but one neednt do it.
cazalla: damn, you scooped that instantly scoopbot
gabriel_laddel: Vaguely related to the conversation above, I'm hoping for a war sometime soon - they are a good way to go about separating content from nonsense. Von N., Teller, etc. wouldn't have been able to work on the atomic bomb without the various powers that be helping out.
gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: nah, those who invest in voodoo will get slaughtered by those who enact the plan you voiced on Mr. M's blog.
gabriel_laddel is not entirely sure how things will play out, but MF's prescription is really the only available option
BingoBoingo: Yesterday's linked megalol re: video voodoo is related
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:04:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to round off the earlier thread, house will be confiscated a) ahead of schedule, if you get lucky b) when your local real estate racket's ability to crank out drywall, pour cement, assemble the thing is outpaced by, e.g., flood of $refugees from $pisshole who 'deserve' your house and your neighbour's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing whatever optional about these "plans". they're not plans in the normal sense, moar like, "what is the plan b of yonder artificial lake, once dykes fail ?"
mircea_popescu: us has been run on the path of least resistance since at least the 60s
gabriel_laddel: I will note for those reading, Argentina's orcs look the part.
gabriel_laddel: perhaps mircea_popescu will expound on the situation there?
mircea_popescu: ahaha that pete mercedes pic. dude looks like a total stoner paratrooper.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: local political situation (are the orcs known as such?), number of useful nuclear engineers to take care of the two reactors you've got etc.
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2015 23:17:04; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:11:29; asciilifeform: literally communal
mircea_popescu: (argentina is moar racist than 1850s charleston, you gotta be white.)
mircea_popescu: not aryan white, either. dat vampire look, darkhaired goldilocks
mircea_popescu: i fully expect they elect 15yo christina ricci as the next president.
punkman: asciilifeform: because you were shouting "get off my lawn" at them?
gabriel_laddel: That sam altman is a fuckwit isn't in contention amongst those in here.
gabriel_laddel: He has people run their grubby little fingers through all HN comments, and they warn people who are too "right-wing"
mircea_popescu: spears thought she "recorded records", altman thinks he "made reddit gain more users than hn has in total"
gabriel_laddel: Even if he knows what he is doing, still a fuckwit. Everyone knows the story of the scorpion and the monk, right?
mircea_popescu pictures asciilifeform in bed with a woman he picked up earlier in metro. she goes "oh honey, that was SO FUCKING GREAT!" he goes "or maybe i wasn't even in!"
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:34:18; gabriel_laddel: The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/
mircea_popescu: now where's that trrilema article i want to reference. the one pointing out this entire vc thing is old guys dating.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: do you have pointers to any information about Uncle Al's roach repellent other than mailing list / forum posts and the patent?
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mircea_popescu: "That'd be your VC circuit : a bunch of old men who have no time to spend with their actual children. They claim this is because "they have to work", but in fact it's because a) they're afraid of their actual children and b) their actual children hate and despise them, in no particular order. This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children, so
mircea_popescu: that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated."
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:44:28; asciilifeform: but not professional equipment. go figure.
mircea_popescu: in africa there's a market for gold encrusted trabant, not so much for an actulaly good car.
gabriel_laddel: "This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children,so that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated."
gabriel_laddel: this is exactly correct. PG, for example, sees me coding in a coffee shop, is there with his kid.
gabriel_laddel: he then tries to convince the kid that they should go home and code instead of answering the kids questions
mircea_popescu: the situation where i never had children yet understand more of parenting than all these people with children depending on them is about as alarming as the situation where i'd not be a woman but know more about fucking than all women. what a shitworld!
gabriel_laddel: I might as well explicate my thoughts on the matter, perhaps I'll learn something from someone else who has thought about it.
gabriel_laddel: If your kid is asking question - answer them. They'll arrive at coding and mathematics by themselves.
gabriel_laddel: The reason these things are interesting is becuase they exist independently of us, they're unavoidable.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:51:13; asciilifeform: when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel if you got a purpose in mind, you need a tool not a child.
mircea_popescu: you ever read the discussion wit hthe slaves re the dead rabbit ?
mircea_popescu: that one. important part there being about understanding the animal is an animal, which is a category of things to be.
mircea_popescu: liek teh child. in this sense, children are animals. not "people" in the sense of, "just like me".
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gabriel_laddel: I've nothing else to say. Your grasshopper article coupled with the rabbits exposition covers it all. Don't try and make things into that which they are not. And if you have a kid, care for /them as an individual/. Your life is over. Make way for the next generation.
gabriel_laddel: Incidentally this is what Sean Parker's father did, and Sean is one of the coolest Silly con valley people
gabriel_laddel: nope. The one where you detailed your relationship with your father
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 01:05:16; gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 01:07:58; asciilifeform: presently tested against designated foreign 'orcs' (what do you suppose urban battallions in iraq was a dress rehearsal for ?)
decimation: point of interest - on youtube one can easily obtain copies of the vienna philharmonic new year's concert (neujahrskonzert). it's clear that it is broadcast all over europe, yet I have never heard of it being broadcast in the us
gabriel_laddel: btw, I was using the word "mooc" the other day, and I think you read it as "mook". I meant "MOOC" as in "massively open online course"
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 01:10:09; asciilifeform: right now (see earlier thread) 'fat' is embezzled. what of when 'meat' is ?
decimation: apparently this is one artifact of the divorce between england and the 'continent'
decimation: right, which is why it amazes me that it's unheard of in the us
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decimation: asciilifeform: another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so << I'm convinced that the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks
decimation: apple assumes that you don't need to use your computer to compute, so it isn't designed for sustained levels of cpu-pegging
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decimation: asciilifeform: not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose < My prediction is 'descent into regional civil war'
ben_vulpes: "failed to live...and impose their existence upon those children" << i'm a bit confused about the "give up, make way for the next generation" attitude when put next to the "parents should impose their existence upon their children".
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assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 21:54:23; asciilifeform: with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen
cazalla: oops, forget to remove tardstalk from that one (have a longer list with other non news sites)
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gabriel_laddel: glosses over the whole point of the experiment, which he would know if he has read it)
gabriel_laddel: I'm not going to claim to know that the math works out unless I do it myself though
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gabriel_laddel: it seem to me that they're not doing the obvious, which bothers me somewhat.
gabriel_laddel: nah, the obvious, in the case of category theory: Sucking up all the mathematics ever via some OCR routines and categorizing it via computer. Have an intern write a parser for latex -> ast
gabriel_laddel: my basic understanding of category theory is that there are interesting things that can be derived when you break down basic mathematics into some abstractions such as functors, mappings etc.
gabriel_laddel: well, I've not looked at cyc yet, but thanks for the pointer.
gabriel_laddel hand-cranked systematization is exactly what I had in mind
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah but at least it is clueless to each site equally on the list
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nonsense. the middle east always was enternally-warring. this is like husband stuck with a bad divorce, "at least i made her into a slut"
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel string theorists are a lot like freudian psychanalists. the better ones follow the lieberman line.
mircea_popescu: think of it in terms of throwing bowling balls at a tree from outer space. you won't get within a mile. and if the first ball lands 735`331meters rom the tree, the next five won't land 735`331 meters from the next five threes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> that could easily be tested. << not easily, no. but yes, they could be.
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mircea_popescu: incidentally, in the ideal model which sits at the fundament of us academia, this would have been arranged over a phone call and tried the next week.
mircea_popescu: re alexa : last time i measured their accuracy, it came out to about 96% error rating. ie, if alexa reads 100, it can see anything between 4 and 2500.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. he didn't want the experiment made in the end ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu stoner paratrooper << fighters have a lot of relaxing to do!
gabriel_laddel: iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all << this makes a great deal of sense
gabriel_laddel: he isn't giving up, as far as I know, but biding his time
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how would i learn to play footsie if not via a wikihow article?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the opposition lie through their teeth at every given moment, you don't want to give them anything to work with
mircea_popescu: this is science not politics, what's biding your time do.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: did you read the stackoverflow post linked above?
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gabriel_laddel: lemme finish making this burrito and I'll write up something on the game being played
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller makes you wonder how children were made before they invented shoes.
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gabriel_laddel: What Al would like to test is pretty simple. Is gravity mirror-symmetric? If it is, then you can drop two stereoisomers in a vacuum, and they'll fall at the same rate. We don't know that this is the case, and the universe actually violates mirror-symmetry on many scales. Perhaps a violation will be observable.
gabriel_laddel: The Eot-wash group won't test this. And the string theorist in that stackoverflow question is more than happy to state that because a large construction of molecules falls at the speed we expect it to, it couldn't possibly happen on a small scale.
gabriel_laddel: left and right handed machine screws != chirality !11!
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing why some other blokes aren't testing it, we're discussing why the proponent isn't.
mircea_popescu: and the proponent can't be doing or not doing "because of other people" (tm)
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: but this is not germane to the issue. << Oh, but it is. These people are prepared to lie at every turn. See the stack overflow post, or the output of the Eot-wash group. If Al or Stan were make a mistake in the run, they'd never be able to test it again.
gabriel_laddel: "1) Search for experimental signs of quantum gravity that violate Einstein's Equivalence Principle and/or the Newtonian inverse-square law."
gabriel_laddel: As far as I can tell, it comes down to the basic strategic necessity of killing your enemy when you indend to.
gabriel_laddel: If you're not strong enough now, retreat, lick your wounds and then strike when the time is right.
mircea_popescu: i never heard of this bizarro shamanistic approach to research.
mircea_popescu: the shit's hard enough without waiting for complex voodoo to allign.
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 15:36:04; mircea_popescu: no wonder everyone in the us needs a college degree. there's no way native intelligence could deal with a tenth of the cognitive dissonance dished out on a daily basis.
mircea_popescu: just measure the damned thing. if it doesn't come out, either refine the machinery or give up.
gabriel_laddel: the US is fucking nuts right now. you live in a bubble of sanity
mircea_popescu: you will notice that the scam foundation is being fucking buried. in spite of... welll... consensus.
mircea_popescu: all this nonsense of little girl stuck on the trans side of maturity river, discussing whether she wants to cross or not, what if the cis side won't be all that it's cracked up to be etc. wtf.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: walk where? wants grant money for himself as a result of the discovery?
mircea_popescu: well it's certainly closer to being pursued after being measured than before eh.
mircea_popescu: imagine! "i won't accidentally discover clorophorm unless it can be used as an anesthetic!"
mircea_popescu: this meta cancer upon the modern brain. people spend so much time considering "the implications" of shit that never happened they have no energy left to do stuff.
mircea_popescu: "This flat, unyielding ignorance-as-the-forerunner-of-oblivion is both perfectly safev and exactly the adequate pill for the poison in dicussion, because it expends very little productive effort on the part of the productive members of society, while at the same time forcing upon the unproductive the exact Gordian knot they've been trying to talk their way around (and plenty, no doubt, hoped they had succeeded). That k
mircea_popescu: not is of course practice, which is to say : if I were to declare I am ignoring "all that Einstein jazz", all physics penned after 1900 or so, and then built a cathodic tube television that worked just fine without accounting for quantum effects, the trashing and bashing of Einstein fans would be all in vain : I'll just shrug my shoulders, keep building and selling my television sets and care not on whit of whatever th
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing keeps him from forking chemistry tho.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is a fundamental difference between lysenko (nutter whose shit DIDNT WORK) and this (if it works)
gabriel_laddel: Not as easy as it sounds. Life is finite, as exemplified by MP not reading Al's experiment spec, and Al not being MP
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look, irrespective of all that : he can just do the thing.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: would you mind explaining the exact logistics of the equipment you'd need to put together to run the experiment?
gabriel_laddel: so as to demonstrate exactly why it isn't as easy as "just measure the thing"
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mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the problem isn't exactly of the equipment. the problem is that if you make new equipment, you don't know if you're measuring the new equipment vs the old equipment or an actual effect.
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I don't know the cost associated with calibrating these instruments and can't speak to the truth of that
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: well, I was asking Stan specifically becuase he could supply detailed information as to costs and political constraints
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: well, as the resident expert, would you mind expounding on these costs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a thought : if al spent the past five years measuring things rather than skulking, he'd be in a much better position todasy than five years ago.
mircea_popescu: i grew permanganate crystals, at least that's a meth precurso.
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems the polarization version of the experiment would be much easier to set up
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gabriel_laddel: Ah. I'd like to point out that Al, unlike Mr. M has done useful work in the interim.
gabriel_laddel: From what I could tell, from reading his usenet posts, he continues to work at Occidental research corp.
mircea_popescu: the soviet restaurant thing is quite palpable here in argentina.
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if they deliberately constructed a home away from home, these people.
mircea_popescu: i can't tell you how many times i've stormed out of a shithole, inexplicable in context.
mircea_popescu: there's even a chain of HORRIBLE icecream. in this town, that has the best icecream i have ever tasted, by a long shot, and abundantly supplied by numerous artisanal gelaterias
mircea_popescu: the usians have a fucktarded chain selling the worst goop.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, now tell me this : how does teh ussa follow teh expat masse ? shadow fuhrer directs it ?
decimation: I had a similar experience when I went to italy on holiday
mircea_popescu: or is it just, like the gestapo, simply the only shared figment of their infertile imaginations ?
decimation: in the major italian tourist cities, the 'inner ring' around the tourist sites are full of restraunts that are obvious chumpatrons targeting usians and germans
mircea_popescu: there's fruit, and it's grandiose. then there's "fruit", imported by supermarkets for the usian market. you can get quite startling contrasts by buying in both.
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decimation: "The strapline for a product called Butter Buds®, described by its makers as “an enzyme-modified encapsulated butter flavour that has as much as 400 times the flavour intensity of butter”, sums it up in six words: “When technology meets nature, you save.”"
mircea_popescu: decimation i think it was here. i didn't care to check it out.
decimation: "Over the past few years, the food industry has embarked on an operation it dubs “clean label”, with the goal of removing the most glaring industrial ingredients and additives, replacing them with substitutes that sound altogether more benign." "If you noticed that it contained an amino acid such as L-cysteine E910, your enthusiasm might wane, especially if you happen to know that this additive can be derived from animal and human
decimation: hair. But a range of new-wave yeast extracts is increasingly replacing E910. "
mircea_popescu: decimation there's a reason i don't live in "civilised" shitholes. i can taste their "feasts of engineering".
mircea_popescu: anyway, everything in that world devolves to spam, it's one and only true mother.
decimation: new! "contains" "natural" "ingredients"!! it's profitable for us and "ok" for you
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing the west ever does is, "try and spam it!"
mircea_popescu: somehow the world should be impressed with this "progress", much in the manner parents should be impressed with "look, no hands!"
mircea_popescu: not to mention the "all metaconsiderations, no agency"
decimation: yeah in fact the reason the us succeeded as it were for the first hundred years was because there was much empty virgin territory, so people could 'express agency'
mircea_popescu: the story of individual america is basically one line : "there's no difference between the rich man and the poor man who hasn't yet decided what to buy".
mircea_popescu: as if. but somehow, a billion idiots picked this bit of shoeshiner's philosophy as their foundational line.
mircea_popescu: lettuce all sit forever and ponder the implications of asking the girl out, of measuring the fucking crystals, of spitting on the ant.
mircea_popescu: draw up the entire putative history eight nine steps removed in all directions, till the night comes and we go home.
mircea_popescu: but it's inescapable. everything's getting forked. gpg, linux, the world.
gabriel_laddel: "measuring the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange"
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151550 @ 0.00041401 = 62.7432 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform: "-ev" < it's admittedly the case that 'basic science' seems to be advanced mostly through 'dumb luck'
decimation: in the sense that some crank comes up with an idea that happens to be right, rather than the result of some carefully arranged program of research
☟︎ decimation: gabriel_laddel: who was the 'herri seldon' who foresaw the development of leonardo?
gabriel_laddel: decimation: afaik, no one predicted leonardo, but there were three generations of masters preceding him. He learned from their works
decimation: but the earlier masters couldn't have predicted the results of their erudition
gabriel_laddel: can you predict exactly what a WoT enabled world will look like?
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: we know sorta-kinda how it is going to function, but I expect to be pleasantly surprised
decimation: I'm not using the word 'random' to mean 'acausal'
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 23:06:12; asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another)
decimation: sometimes this happens in unconnected pairs
ben_vulpes checks to see if a > 1mb block is floating around
gabriel_laddel: and sometimes it happens through e.g., MIT, Stanford, library of Alexandria, Manhattan Project
gabriel_laddel: "it's admittedly the case that 'basic science' seems to be advanced mostly through 'dumb luck'"
decimation: what 'basic science' did the manhattan project advance?
gabriel_laddel: (conceptually basic, atoms and the like, or basic in the sense of a starting point that is eventually abandoned, e.g., alchemy)
assbot: math is art | "Discovery is the privilege of the child: the child who has no fear of being once again wrong, of looking like an idiot, of not being serious, of not doing things like everyone else." — Grothendieck ... (
http://bit.ly/1DF4iA9 )
gabriel_laddel: ^ here is a blog I've not gotten around to reading yet
gabriel_laddel: Does this qualify? will she produce anything of interest? I don't yet know.
gabriel_laddel: Christopher Olah, Thiel fellow. Does research on conv. neural networks.
decimation: it seems to me that basic science is something that is only obvious in distant hindsight
gabriel_laddel: they will exist in the future, assuming we don't end up glassing the whole planet
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 04:19:51; mircea_popescu: if you ask the slut, often enough it's because "he's the only one that asked, and i was getting bored"
gabriel_laddel: I'm not saying that I beneficiary agree with Thiel's funding decisions, but I am pointing out that there are people attempting to fund basic science, and that there are two specific people I've cited who can be vetted for their contributions.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but what if your work is meaningless without $b synchrophasotron ? <<< i thought it was 50k.
decimation: so did the swiss patent office 'organize' to advance physics by paying einstein in exchange for clerk-serfdom?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, i'm not proposing anyone's obliged to follow any particular flight of fancy.
mircea_popescu: but the proposition that one shouldn't or understandably wouldn't for it may turn out to be just fancy... that's nonsense.
mircea_popescu: this is the very stuff of life, following our flights of fancy.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: well, in Chris's case, some research on neural networks
mircea_popescu: incidentally... olah is kinda how hungarians say romanian.
gabriel_laddel: A summary of my points. 1) there are some people attempting to fund basic science 2) I don't agree with all of their funding decisions 3) this isn't the first instance of this occuring in history
gabriel_laddel: 4) perhaps the fault lies with those attempting to peruse basic science, for not giving him a heuristic
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:05:50; gabriel_laddel: "measuring the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the idea wasn't that, but to educate thiel so he's less of a schmuck.
mircea_popescu: people with money they don't know what to do with are the very definition of schmuckdom
gabriel_laddel: if you watch thiels videos in particular you can see that he wants to fund interesting things but doesn't know how
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:09:13; decimation: in the sense that some crank comes up with an idea that happens to be right, rather than the result of some carefully arranged program of research
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel or what they are. or how to look for them. essentially he's a girl that'd like to fuck but never heard of clothes, or make-up or going out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude gtfo, nobody said management is required to be illiterate.
gabriel_laddel: it remains to be seen if he'll grok bitcoin. if he does, he'll probably end up funding interesting things.
mircea_popescu: "the education which gives a man a clear conscious view of his own opinions and judgments, a truth in developing them, an eloquence in expressing them, and a force in urging them. It teaches him to see things as they are, to go right to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical, and to discard what is irrelevant."
mircea_popescu gleefully notices how alf is now using the "you yourself" device.
mircea_popescu: in this line : "oh mp must be insane to spend all his time on irc, if i was rich i'd do [???]".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the matter with it, you writing with different letters or something ?
mircea_popescu: but not for any structural reason, is the important point.
mircea_popescu: whether most women in x population are more like californians or saudis has nothing to do wit ha cunt being a cunt.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i'd guess that many folks can't even think about this subject without their brain melting from rage << a good eighth of my time is spent talking smart young guys down out of a shartup-inspired rage attack
gabriel_laddel: Youtube doesn't have grep, and I'm not going to troll through all these videos to find the one I'm thinking of. In any case, in one of them he states that "scientists have been replaced with baccarats" and that "MOOCs are not going anywhere"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's pretty "disruptive" alright, huh. "what are we disrupting ?" "the moral fiber of society"
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel actually moocs are the superlative american college.
ben_vulpes goes to buy a bottle of wine to fuel the ruby rage
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:11:21; gabriel_laddel: It took 3 generations of masters to produce Leonardo
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i appreciated your point about hating programming recently
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gabriel_laddel i just parsed it as "a weird way to say mountebanks"
mircea_popescu: well... because it's "universal". once no kid's left behind, the boat's not sailing anywhere.
ben_vulpes: programming requires obscene mental contortions.
ben_vulpes: oh and dealing with the output of people who "like it".
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: if he was spewing trendisms he'd be /supporting/ the MOOCs
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel there are two threads here. one is "thiel is dumb". this is not being entertained. the other is, "thiel's uneducated". this is my position.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:10:30; asciilifeform: which was known for a rather long time prior to becoming an industrial product
mircea_popescu: for instance i said null hypothesis as part of a deal with my brain to allow me to continue to exist.
mircea_popescu: in your craziest models you don't have a hitler lizard tribe capable to handle such sudden bends of activity.
mircea_popescu: what you describe is a what, 3 sigma event ? there's not a plan in place for two sigma events even. banal shit like "they used plane as rocket"
mircea_popescu: so far my bitcoins are getting sent to the btc bears lol.
mircea_popescu: anyway, whatever would happen would come as a surprise to everyone, including in no particular order : a) the people running btc-usd exchanges ; b) you ; c) the friendly usg log reader delegate ; d) isabelle boring or w/e her name is ; etc
mircea_popescu: ;;google boring miss florida congressional aide made a derpy "bitcoin chamber of commerce"
gabriel_laddel: 10:37 - who is that with Thiel, could it be the evil racist Charles Murray?
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the intelligence vs education thing. i wish i had words to express my meaning in intelligible english. let's try by saying that a good mark of one's education is what sort of thing he fills his space with.
mircea_popescu: "but honey, you can't marry this guy. his parents have no library in the house!"
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: this is, as far as I can tell, roughly the equivalent of reading your blog.
mircea_popescu: "Charles Alan Murray (born 1943) is an American paleoconservative and paleolibertarian leaning political scientist, author, columnist, and pundit."
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: so wait, would visiting e.g., Schwartz qualify for "stepping into the sewer"
decimation: mircea_popescu: roughly, 'conservative' in america today means 'republican', which also means 'pro-state'
decimation: not exactly, but he wouldn't be invited to any parties at cpac
mircea_popescu: THIS is a fine example of what i fucking mean by educated.
decimation: mircea_popescu: modern us politics is a sandpile built upon equivocation
mircea_popescu: what part of english as a single language ISNT perpetual and universally equivocal synonymy
mircea_popescu: 1. The Law of Imperfect Selection: Any objective rule that defines eligibility for a social transfer program will irrationally exclude some persons.
mircea_popescu: 2. The Law of Unintended Rewards: Any social transfer increases the net value of being in the condition that prompted the transfer.
mircea_popescu: 3. The Law of Net Harm: The less likely it is that the unwanted behavior will change voluntarily, the more likely it is that a program to induce change will cause net harm.
mircea_popescu: no idea why this'd be "murray's law", but at least i see something.
mircea_popescu: 1. Any rule applied uniformly over a group with a view to some purpose will result in measurable contradiction of the purpose before it results in measurable achievement of the purpose.
gabriel_laddel: people try codifying common sense to make it more palatable - doesn't work
decimation: generally, my understanding is that 'paleoconservatives' want to wind us society back to something resembling the 'cis-democracy' in that moldbug peice
decimation: one of murray's books advanced the idea that the ruling us elite were cutting asunder all social mores and strictures that bound the masses
decimation: while they silently keep those mores alive amoung themselves
decimation: george will sort of fits that description
decimation: oh, murray also co-authored 'the bell curve'
decimation: which controversially asserted that jews were smarter than blacks
decimation: no, but they strongly 'taught the controversy'
mircea_popescu: ftr, i dun actually credit the race/intelligence theory. not that i have strong feelings either way
mircea_popescu: but the whole thing strikes me like an attempt to establish a link between female beauty and hair color.
decimation: one datapoint "“The NLSY, administered in 1980 to by far the largest sample (6,502 whites, 3,022 blacks) in a national study, found a difference of 1.21 standard deviations on the AFQT.”"
decimation: AFQT means 'armed forces qualifying test'
gabriel_laddel: if iq tests worked we'd have usable software. << see symbolics inc
mircea_popescu: intelligence, in a strict sense of whatever, bus speed ? bus width ? ram ? cpu cycles ? frequency of parity errors ?
mircea_popescu: is really the small part of the discussion. thiel is smart, and it doesn't help him
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:13:09; gabriel_laddel: my point is that science does not advance "at random"
mircea_popescu: it advances at random to a random degree, is the thing.
decimation: from the book: “In any case, you are not going to learn tomorrow that all the cognitive differences between races are 100 percent genetic in origin, because the scientific state of knowledge, unfinished as it is, already gives ample evidence that environment is part of the story. But the evidence eventually may become unequivocal that genes are also part of the story. We are worried that the elite wisdom on this issue, for years
decimation: almost hysterically in denial about that possibility, will snap too far in the other direction. It is possible to face all the facts on ethnic and race differences in intelligence and not run screaming from the room: That is the essential message.”
mircea_popescu: decimation does it at any place say what it deems intelligence to be, this book ?
mircea_popescu: why does it define stupidity and make statements about intelligence ? should stick to stupidity.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel it occurs to me the templeos guy is kinda high iq
decimation: the book has a whole chapter on the subject of defining intelligence
gabriel_laddel: monkey @ lisp term ?! << outside of that, have you ever seen any program written as "fluidly"? Which comes back to the original discussion of "what is intelligence"
decimation: but essentially ends up with the 'classical' theory, which is 'this statistical thing that tends to pop out reliably on these tests'
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i dunno, i dun tend to spy on people writing code that much, i'm prolly the most ignorant in the room on that score.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "have to". if you were writing software it'd be a magic variabler.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's not it. if i were in prison, would i HAVE TO be in prison to keep the lights on ?
mircea_popescu: my point being, your have to is weak. not to any personal effect, but it does ruin our theory.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:14:45; gabriel_laddel: can you predict exactly what a WoT enabled world will look like?
mircea_popescu: for all i care the wot world can result in the sky combusing.
mircea_popescu: if facts were facts debates would be silent observances.
mircea_popescu: took some ppls to see the enchanted gypsy palaces in turda (romania). which, you know, are pretty elaborate.
mircea_popescu: took a wroing turn, ended up on mud street from 1750. down towards us, completely naked 9yo girl, rope tied around her waist. literally rope.
mircea_popescu: but barefoot girl in the mud aside : she probably had parents, who similarly had to work to keep the lights on.
decimation: someone had to shape the mud into huts
decimation: at any rate, the "iq" thing seems more useful when applied on the population level
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a long array of things, all more or less coney.
decimation: it might not tell you who to hire next, but it would explain why nobody in the city you are visiting has heard of plumbing
mircea_popescu: decimation would it now ? seems more a function of where htey were born, if they heard of plumbing or not.
mircea_popescu: yes. and you should see the insides, furs and shit. it's really very azn
mircea_popescu: always good for a culture shock for usians, because somehow they think starbucks is luxury.
decimation: is this what they do with all the coins they manage to scrape together?
mircea_popescu: decimation well, some of those were built out of begging, some out of scrap metal theft, some out of who knows what.
mircea_popescu: but point remains : what man HAS TO do is never clear.
decimation: my usian upbringing causes me to conjure some dude living in a hovel or a wagon upon hearing 'gypsy'
mircea_popescu: decimation in fairness, most do. these are the rare exceptions not the bulk. recall orwell's "jew makes a dollar a day" thing
gabriel_laddel: "let me tell you a story about a mouse I caught in a field..."
mircea_popescu: incidentally : this would be a great prison. judge doesn't give you a term. judge gives you a frequency count.
decimation: plus the prisioners would be occupied with something, instead of scheming how to spray bodily fluids on whoever happens by the slot
decimation: another variant: all the prisoners play 'WoW' - upon gaining some princely sum of gold they can be freed
decimation: maybe someone should make a bitbet for the date of the appearance of an official usg 'game'
mircea_popescu half expects to find some bad retailer on the other end
decimation: the purpose of the game would be to 'sink' hours of the otherwise idle usg employees
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i sent her an email. iron a shirt in case shows up.
gabriel_laddel: but yes, there are a lot of indians, which I didn't previously notice
mircea_popescu: "Alum and current fellows have produced more than $100 million in economic activity including investments, exits, revenue, and grants. "
gabriel_laddel: I, with the devil's own smile, invite them to take pictures
gabriel_laddel: "If we show up at the border with That We're going straight to prison!"
mircea_popescu: "Fifty-eight organizations and startups have been founded by fellows, employing over 200 people, and creating new technologies that are being deployed around the world."
gabriel_laddel: the neat people in the Thiel fellowship are the mathematics kids, who are sort of the odd ones out
mircea_popescu was a recipient of something vaguely similar at a similar age.
decimation: you could ration it slowly if you lived in rural kansas
gabriel_laddel: 2 years to play with Mathematics sounds wonderfully useful to me.
mircea_popescu: ah, i a) didn't actually need the money ; b) wasn't really about the money per se anyway
gabriel_laddel: well, in truth the Thiel fellowship doesn't even give it all away at once
mircea_popescu: best way to get a bright kid killed is by giving him ten bricks of benjamins.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: they don't want them to e.g., make a napster
mircea_popescu: omg you buncha antisocial haters. you can't have a mentor or anything ?
gabriel_laddel: it seems to me the model is to find smart, angry people, fund them and then when things go to shit, stand behind them and keep them out of trouble.
mircea_popescu: da fuck are some kids gonna suffer from talking to adults ?
decimation: what's wrong with enslaving yourself to someone better?
gabriel_laddel: the 'adults' are not going to be happy about you writing a program that converts all books in libgen.info + all papers you can get of school networks into a useful format via a combination of OCR and heuristic hackery
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and blondy in black dress over there's almost hawt. << reminds me of the intro line newcomers to pdx-burningman were subjected to without fail for years, presumably if the political correctness mob hasn't gotten to them yet still are: "are you hot?"
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel thgat the adults are not going ot be happy.
gabriel_laddel: He presented someone else's program as his own. They didn't check, being fuckwits, but eventually found out.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sets the tone, you know?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> if someone sent me 100k (magically, tax-free) i'd do... what? take 3 mo. off, spend the next 9 looking for next gig ? << good grief your burn rate, man.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you didn't end up beaten as a result of this ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: is that *your* harem's burn rate?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah merely reference to a discussion in logs a few days ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, what's the objection to macarthur prizes ?
ben_vulpes: <decimation> what's wrong with enslaving yourself to someone better?, <asciilifeform> decimation: nothing - it's called army << do reconsider la serenissima in this light
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup. which is why i had a vague positive idea about it. never bothered looking.
mircea_popescu: but now that i did look, it seems clearly that the thing works.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is not the war you grew up idolizing. it's war, which means it's going to be horrible and unpleasant for all involved.
mircea_popescu: MUCH better than the buffett out. "i leave my money to bil lgates"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw, daniela rus should be right up your alley.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm actually pretty disgusted with "modern" "robotics"
ben_vulpes: cursory inspection reveals nothing interesting.
ben_vulpes: i'm more interested in underactuated systems.
ben_vulpes: map servers and massively parallel SLAM
mircea_popescu: afaik the woman's idea was "hey, what if we made robots capable of altering their own geometry, that way they won't have to be pre-programmed"
ben_vulpes: you still have to program the meta layer.
gabriel_laddel: ^ ascii, I've mentioned this idea to 3 people - all reject it on grounds of "it can't be that easy, my school had all sorts people working on these problems and they never thought of it"
ben_vulpes: especially and in particular the underwater stuff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think what was being contemplated was more akin to a synthetic amoeba than a mechanical sheep.
ben_vulpes: as a guy who's cobbled together the odd machine or two, the notion that you can have a million little bits cooperating to give you the power of a purpose-designed driveshaft one moment and slither through a keyhole the next strikes me as wankery of the first degree.
mircea_popescu: "if you're willing to pay for ten million of these, i can prove to you that in any conceivable situation no less than 3 will be useful to your purpose"
ben_vulpes: several joints, some tension mechanisms and some springs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is a great convo but bed's better, so! tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: we don't even have computers that cooperate.
ben_vulpes: superimposed waves traveling through wire applying force at arbitrary points?
ben_vulpes: right, there's a recursive aspect to the problem.
ben_vulpes: this brings back my hankering for real time optimization problems.
ben_vulpes: ugh this conversation makes me downright mournful
ben_vulpes: loading the "rails" stack into my head.
ben_vulpes: i would rather be working on satoshi c++.
ben_vulpes: i must learn more incantations, apparently.
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BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: the 'adults' are not going to be happy about you writing a program that converts all books in libgen.info + all papers you can get of school networks into a useful format via a combination of OCR and heuristic hackery << Plain OCR is normally sufficient for books without advanced mathematics as long as you are willing to liberate the pages from the spine. Test it with a sheetfed scanner sometime.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: That is a great experiment. The PGN format is maximally user and machine readable. Amazing how the blockchain makes some stuff people try to pass as "big data" seem much smaller.
punkman: blockchain is not big data, not yet at least
punkman: everyone's wants to work on "big" data now, you use enough buzzwords you get a raise
fluffypony: Hadoop doesn't have anything remotely resembling a blockchain
BingoBoingo: I dunno that hadoop does anything that can't be doen better with key value stores
fluffypony: it's also exceptionally powerful for analysing very large datasets
fluffypony: like in the multi-terabyte or multi-petabyte range
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: it *is* a key-value store
fluffypony: what it does better is that each piece of data is stored on at least 3 servers in the cluster
fluffypony: so map->reduce works by sending the queries out to all the servers, they do the analysis, reduce it, and send the results back
fluffypony: and then all you're doing is re-assembling the small set of results you get and doing any final analysis on it
BingoBoingo: It sounds like if hadoop appears to solve a problem, then you have a number of other problems
punkman: well it's Java, so you are fucked
fluffypony: why? it's not accessible on the open Internet
punkman: maybe I've never seen the good Java
punkman: probably because it's buried in 132 subfolders :P
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BingoBoingo: Ah jurov you found that oglaf before the bot could
☟︎ jurov: by force of procrastination!
jurov: gotta start the monthly stuff now
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: and what IS burning man but fuck club ? << not entirely this is about 1/3 of it. Another 1/3 is "Holy shit I'm on so many drugs what's even going on, how do I survive, OMG this is so fucking awesome I wanna run around and do nothing cause I have no obligations or worries at the moment." Another 1/3 is "Holy fuck that giant thing is burning holy fuck holy fuck that is fucking awesome." IMO Burns are probably the
thestringpuller: probably not your cup of tea because it is an implementation of "communitas" or rather an existential communitas as Victor Turner explains.
☟︎ thestringpuller: "With 2 million+ citizens, Buenos Aires is one of the most demanding cities in the world. All 16 political groups in power helped to make it the first one in Latin America to let its citizens have direct input on its bills." Uh huh.
punkman: asciilifeform: it's a web thingy, not ubuntu
punkman: totally gonna work "With a clear deadline, get everyone on board to reach a voted decision and say good bye to all the bikeshedding."
☟︎ thestringpuller: punkman: i think democracy and cryptofeudalism are incompatible
punkman: oh it has a blockchain too "Trust is deeply built into DemocracyOS using decentralized authority to certify every single decision made."
punkman: "But aware that in politics not everything happens online, we also created a new kind of political party: The Net Party. Its candidates are committed to always vote in Congress according to what citizens vote online."
punkman: "The foundational document of The Net Party is its manifesto. Written in a collaborative process by the founding members, it consists of 60 expressions in tweet form so it can be easily shared in any kind of network. It expresses our deepest beliefs on how democracy and the net can help improve our institutions."
punkman: "The Net Party got 22.000 votes (1.2%) in its 1st election in Buenos Aires, October 2013."
punkman: ""We're getting beaten on volume, so the only way to compete is by aggregating, curating and amplifying existing content," Richard Stengel, under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so fucking transparent by now. you seen the buzzfeed "great idea" ?
mircea_popescu: they created permanent sessions for users, showed some a dress like so, others a dress like something else
mircea_popescu: then idiot usians had debates about the true dress and the biological causes of not seeing it right
mircea_popescu: i could scarcely conceive of an experiment to more convincingly verify the "our audience is entirely worthless" theory. it's verified alright.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel argentina has a fixation on electing newspaper men. mitre, frondizi, etc.
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 16:09:30; punkman: weird economy
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 17:03:26; BingoBoingo: Ah jurov you found that oglaf before the bot could
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo i think you need to cut the space there
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 17:48:00; thestringpuller: probably not your cup of tea because it is an implementation of "communitas" or rather an existential communitas as Victor Turner explains.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 18:10:24; punkman: totally gonna work "With a clear deadline, get everyone on board to reach a voted decision and say good bye to all the bikeshedding."
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 18:18:36; punkman: ""We're getting beaten on volume, so the only way to compete is by aggregating, curating and amplifying existing content," Richard Stengel, under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs"
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the entire story of the us : let's pay everyone pretend money so they pretend we're important enough to invent money.
mircea_popescu: approximately the life plan of a sexually worthless, narcissistically superlative 15 yo priss.
thestringpuller: "When Francine tells Stan she wishes he hadn't spent all their savings, he says he needed to spend money to make money. Francine then says that Stan didn't make any money, which Stan says implies that he didn't spend any money either"
thestringpuller: nah it's seth mcfarlane trolling amercians cause they're too dumb to realize what's really going on
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a spin off of a spin off of a spin off, because when people develop a taste for a particular shit, why not enlist more orfices to produce it
mircea_popescu: for the record, i just started writing a solution to that harry potter thing.
mircea_popescu: i never read the damned books, but the challenge is interesting.
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jurov: it's good. But not clear if voldemort going completely insane implies "allow Harry to evade immediate death"
mircea_popescu: anyway, some comments in the general, for the aspiring writer : a) the most important weapon in the quiver of the scammer, which is what all fiction is, is misdirection. you were being misdirected into thinking harry potter should have agency by all the insistence on how he doesn't. (look up chekov's gun, while at it). the correct solution of a problem of agency is to attack the agent.
mircea_popescu: b) agency means growth. you can recast any actual situation into something that's a personal experience, and vice-versa. this is a major power.
mircea_popescu: voldemort jacking off by himself to visions of a destroyed enemy is not unlike harry potter "studying magic really hard".
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 18:03:08; asciilifeform: it does no good to take extant ic fab practice and work 'down'
thestringpuller: I do wonder if we'll ever be able to print IC's without being millionaires or wholesalers.
mircea_popescu: jurov what is this anyway ? i thought some woman wrote harry potter ?
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jurov: and yes, j.k. rowling aoriginally wrote it
jurov: but herr yudkowsky was apparently upset at harry's stupidity and wrote a fanfic
mircea_popescu: so ima have two things out of this. first an arguent with alf, then once laddel and the rest of the proponents of "intelligence" wake up, ima have one with them.
mircea_popescu: so asciilifeform, do you see how the situation here maps exactly on the uncle al and the magical molecule situation ?
mircea_popescu: i have no guarantee that this goes into the... canon, or w/e, fanon-type-45345
mircea_popescu: right. and here the same : paste your text as a "review", or publish it on your blog.
mircea_popescu: in this perspective, al's lament reduces to tim sweeney's lament. "oh woe that not being in the wot my ideas hold no value"
mircea_popescu: well... stfu and get in the wot. nobody, NOBODY is above the intern work for a year.
mircea_popescu: the equivalent of "story published on blog" is "50k calorimetry assay"
mircea_popescu: people have to fucking realise, for once in their life, that a_) fuck them and b) it's not about what they want.
mircea_popescu: but back to the story : if your call on the y fellow is correct, he makes for an absoluely perfect model of "chemistry usg".
thestringpuller: ^- didn't he end up eating green eggs and ham at the end of the book?
chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty this has been going on for a while actually.//it just sounds worse when the internet is a public utility
mircea_popescu: but seriously, wikipedia is returned because "fact:wikipedia is what we promote" rather than any "algorithmics"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and so are plenty of other things. the guardian and washpo and the rest of the buzzfeed carrion crawlers aren't up there because they favorably compete with qntra on some sort of machine basis
mircea_popescu: and once i get my hands around their throats, the "facts" will be slightly divers.
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cazalla: punkman: re: path of exile, i like that the economy is based around orbs (at least it was when i was playing) but i quit after my hardcore char died in lower 90s
cazalla: for anyone that has not played it, orbs act a little similar to soj economy, but unlike d2, poe did away with gold drops and crap like that, pure barter system
thestringpuller: but srsly soj economy was so annoying. the rune economy was a bit better
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cazalla: i didn't play much lod which from memory brought runes
cazalla: i tried to sell orbs for btc in poe 2 years ago but noone had heard of bitcoin except 1 guy
cazalla: thestringpuller, poe map runs > baal runs
cazalla: it's one thing they did really well but i think poe made it more noob friendly
thestringpuller: D2 was kinda like crack. You played it, didn't know why, and before you knew it you were hooked.
cazalla: problem with playing D2 from australia was that you could still only get dialup and it was better to play on a fake battle.net hosted at your isp
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mircea_popescu: Transhumanists are not fond of death. We would stop it if we could. To this end we support research that holds out hope of a future in which humanity has defeated death. Death is an extremely difficult technical problem, to be attacked with biotech and nanotech and other technological means. I do not tell a tale of the land called Future, nor state as a fact that humanity will someday be free of death - I have no magic
mircea_popescu: al ability to see through time. But death is a great evil, and I will oppose it whenever I can. If I could create a world where people lived forever, or at the very least a few billion years, I would do so."
mircea_popescu: why are all these driven nuts so mentally simple anyway ?
mircea_popescu: so he's another modlbug. what difference does it make ? still simple.
mircea_popescu: "why are you spending your time with cockroaches ?" "i kill them" "yes. but you're still spending time with them."
mircea_popescu: imagine the horror of this. "i invented a machine which lets you live on for a billion years, so you can write stupid shit so that stupid people keep on powering it"
mircea_popescu: anyway. if there's anyone who actually had the patience ot read all this stuff and wishes to proffer a summary please do.
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 15:38:39; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu with regard to the 'abuse of statistical devices' outlined in note iii, the accomplished master of the art is a fellow named yudkowsky (search #b-a log). he isn't an idiot, bastard knows exactly what he's doing, and his cult is a veritable vacuum trap for thinking folks
mircea_popescu: i see the guy's been pouring out a coupla million words, which is more than moldbug, but i won't be bothering to actually read the shit, it's too stale.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "igla" << why must you torture me
ben_vulpes: there's no reason why these things should cost $MAXINT, aside from the prohibition on owning the constituent materials for any not favorite son.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: homo redditicus << can I use this in future qntra articles?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: IFF mechanism << another application for asymmetric crypto.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: gorgeous diagrams. thank you.
thestringpuller: second bb posted my article was downstaires getting moar beer
jurov: btw have you seen the "nyse to invest to CBSE" tidbit?
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
jurov: lol, assbot ate it
jurov: The total raised by Coinbase has now hit $106 million. Coinbase, a San Francisco-based company reports that there are 2.1 million bitcoin wallets from a customer base of 1.9 million
cazalla: jurov, yeah that's old news now
jurov: haven't seen it discussed here
jurov: maybe i miss something but D.CBSE looks attractive
cazalla: i think BingoBoingo wrote that up if memory serves
BingoBoingo: Old news, being repeated because google news sucks
jurov: you don't believe they can IPO it at > 46 million?
jurov: that's what D.CBSE price implies
jurov: so if they manage to IPO coinbase, it can raise so much, no?
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thestringpuller: they'd have to raise more than their "implied valuation" right? like 100 mn+ ?
jurov: For D.CBSE long investment to be even, it needs "only" $46m IPO or buyout
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jurov: and i'm curious why mircea thinks that won't ever happen
jurov: imo they can't afford to wait either
jurov: (they=the bezzle investors)
thestringpuller: you do bring up good question tho: what is the bezzle investors endgame (or what they have in mind at least)?
jurov: waterfall operators definitely care
jurov: yes, maybe they want just to drive it to the ground
jurov: i dunno, just asking. and don't want to tie more bitcoins for indeterminate time in D.CBSE, either.
thestringpuller: if company is run into ruins (i.e. MtGox)...it is moot issue
mircea_popescu: <jurov> you don't believe they can IPO it at > 46 million? << you realise this round was utterly dillutive right ?
mircea_popescu: 75mn with btc at 250 means 300k extra btc worth of shares.
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jurov: yes, dilutive.. on other side, it increased the number of people interested to inflate it beyond all reason and then release it
mircea_popescu: just because of btc/usd vagaries, the original investment (which happened at 1200) lost 85% of its value.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> that's what D.CBSE price implies << actually, no, the price implies they can't sell for over 350k btc at the time they sell.
jurov: they can't sell for over 350k btc.. << or else? you'll keep selling as many D.CBSE as necessary?
mircea_popescu: suppose in 2020 coinbase lists on nyse, 100mn shares, and they go for 50 bux each. that's 5 bn.
mircea_popescu: at that point, the coinbase listing has actually been a net loss for d.cbse holders.
mircea_popescu: jurov as an example, if someone bought 100 shares on mpex today at the 0.239 price paying 23.9 btc, he would control (if memory serves) 1% of the 1% f.derp stake in the origial coinbase. that'd entitle him to 0.01% of the value of 50/350 parts in the coinbase ipo, which would come to
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mircea_popescu: otherwise, if coinbase opens for a mkt cap of 250mn in two years (accounting for inflation, basically)...
mircea_popescu: anyway, the utter chilling of d.* trade past while shows kinda plainly where that ship's going, imo.
mircea_popescu: obv this is just napkin calcs, a definitive version'd come out once that unicorn stomps its foot.
jurov: oh and thx for shedding the light on d.cbse
mircea_popescu: basically, they're trying for a usg mpex. which... hey, fine, have fun trying.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah i think it was bb that said we'd be lucky to turn 1% of it into reg readers
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (1000 shares, 0.21 BTC), 7D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (1000 shares, 0.21 BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020657 / 0.000207 (1750 shares, 0.36 BTC)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: they're trying for a usg mpex. << More like Reddit MPEX
cazalla: i thought it was a cardinal sin for it to be called anything other than MPEx? :P
thestringpuller: although coinbase is a part of the waterfall only derps utilize it.
mircea_popescu: well, horowitz and the rest of the policy vehicles are on board, so.
thestringpuller: this doesn't mean the customer base is anything other than homo redditicus
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why you imagine the userbase is important in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: and incidentally that must be a typo, 1.9mn users 2.1mn accounts. more like 190k.
mircea_popescu: seems improbable even that many actually sent the ridoinculous "kyc" paperwork.
mircea_popescu: cazalla the "usg mpex" comment was chiefly because there's no conceivable need a webwallet operator could have for even 1mn.
mircea_popescu: somewhat mirroring the "mpex is worth a billion dollars ?!?!?!" thing.
mircea_popescu: im moreover curious if they're going to actually try and rescue the scam foundation or just make a new and "real" one.
mircea_popescu: kinda win-win situation, if they try to rescue the scam foundation they will fail, if they don't you know we scare them.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the only "people involved" by now are horowitz and the us fed.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: we also know undead are more "effective" when there are lots of them.
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice how none of the coverage included a "this C round utterly dilutes naive investors from the previous B and A rounds"
mircea_popescu: so some derp on reddit wanted to know "why do we even want to kill banks then" in the blockchain subversion debate.
mircea_popescu: well... this is why : so this sort of shit stops washing.
mircea_popescu: not so that random redditard can buy his porn for 0 fees.
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