jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: but for the nitpick : it's not the job of the ceo to know why robots have limits.
mircea_popescu: this totally orc bullshit where everyone is an expert in everyone's field already...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ceo is an operational management position.
mircea_popescu: cto's job is to understand why robots have limits, if the company is doing robots.
mircea_popescu: indeed. but here's the hidden truth : the idiots TALKING TO HIM about it are no different from the people asking beautician re politics.
mircea_popescu: ie, he's an idiot for answering, but someone somewhere was an idiot for asking.
mircea_popescu: THAT someone isn't admitting to idiocy, preferring isntead to derp about how "Ceo is supposed to know all".
mircea_popescu: if it were workable for ceo to know all why would corporations even be needed in first place ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 15:09 asciilifeform: but you can trivially show that using the bottom bits in this way lets you actually get 4x as many possible primes
mircea_popescu: im not going to have my tech people do backflips to seamlessly bridge imperial idiocy into reality when i could just have the marketing people point out to how the empire lied by making the difference a point of difference.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 15:20 asciilifeform: there is no legitimate reason to do it.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 16:51 lobbes: Good news on archive front; archive.is d00d has agreed to add my ips to his cloudflare whitelist
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 0 led either one, or rather, non 11 led either one gives you a sub 4096 N
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 17:04 lobbes: Very accommodating d00d indeed. I invited him here, as well, but you know how that goes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing in principle wrong with the 2045 bit primes, except, of couyrse, the lying about it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: 101111 x 101111 = 100010100001, if you're lucky ; but 100000 x 101111 = 010111100000 which is no good.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're discussing first digits not last digits here.
mircea_popescu: as you'll reject the primes and end up with the same 2045 bits of entropy
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:02 mircea_popescu: im not going to have my tech people do backflips to seamlessly bridge imperial idiocy into reality when i could just have the marketing people point out to how the empire lied by making the difference a point of difference.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing in principle wrong with the 2045 bit primes, except, of couyrse, the lying about it.
mircea_popescu: clarity is more valuable than a nearer asimptote, in many contexts.
mircea_popescu: it's still an unreturned function "what other bits are lost what other places". so this 4090 still an upper bound.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 17:47 ben_vulpes: and in ancients, dusted off mpfhf benchmarker, finished the bit-banging of inputs, fired off a run late last week that is *still hashing*
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 19:29 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737247 << it looks like a properly structured scheme evaluator, but it's ~explicitly~ lacking a native cons, which might be a very good exercise for whoever™ adding a static allocation space, adding mark-and-sweep, then all those To_Unbounded_String look like they can be simply search/replaced
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik "nextprime" or anything like it is not used
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 19:40 asciilifeform: whole thing reads like straight translation from c
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because see, if you don't use nextprime you lack the "nop bridge" so to speak. rolling number 6 does not take you to 7. to get 7 you need a natural 7, and this is equiprobable to rolling a natural 2^74207281-1 on the space of (0,2^74207281-1).
mircea_popescu: very important NOT to use any kind of nextprime, as it turns out .
mircea_popescu: i get odd viral influenzas in the first months of mingling with the whores of a new land also.
deedbot: hubud voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: allegedly teh soviets were so impressed with it packed the whole assembly line took it to russia in 1945
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (that site pretty decent ref of romanian vehicle production, incl de teardrop lulzitem)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 20:35 diana_coman: I can't seem to find in the logs any discussion re duplex construction/duplexing the sponge i.e. keccak's authors own proposal of using keccak for authenticated encryption; did anyone look into this?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 20:57 asciilifeform: the boojum is that neither i nor anybody else knows of any rational way to quantify the compromise.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 21:10 asciilifeform: ^ pheeature idea : why not have ticker autofire when the number moves >10% from last tick
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> (asciilifeform's ticker idea) << nah, autospeaking bots to be kept at a minimum which is 0. << for the curious, why is say deedbot's rss announcer a non-auto event whereas a market movement isn't?
mircea_popescu: but if you wish to argue it in substance, the fiat valuation of bitcoin is broadly irrelevant -- to bitcoin, to the actrual things the fiat turds misclaim to represent, etcetera. whereas the penmanship of the l1 is relevant by definition.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:44 mircea_popescu: allegedly teh soviets were so impressed with it packed the whole assembly line took it to russia in 1945
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 02:07 mircea_popescu: but if you wish to argue it in substance, the fiat valuation of bitcoin is broadly irrelevant -- to bitcoin, to the actrual things the fiat turds misclaim to represent, etcetera. whereas the penmanship of the l1 is relevant by definition.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 18:21 asciilifeform: lobbes: does this mean that you can mirror the whole zip collection nao ?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 18:32 BingoBoingo: lobbes: So modest is becoming less modest?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: It looks like I'm going to be spending 2U on an Ubiquity Edgerouter Pro and an Ebuquity Edgeswitch lite, unless there are other ideas for networking hardware
BingoBoingo: Under the guise of when visiting Shaman, buy cheapest that can move the traffic
deedbot: hubud voiced for 30 minutes.
hubud: stumbled on trilema blog last week, been reading nearly nonstop since..
☟︎ hubud: He's a goat farmer
hubud: He treats them well
BingoBoingo: Ah, love the goats, but indifference to the work of goats
BingoBoingo: So, what's your favorite trilema piece so far?
hubud: or fabulous hash function
hubud: Oh yeah, there are some juicy juicy ones
hubud: Hard to find a sane btc community these days
deedbot: hubud voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Perhaps register a key while you are here? You never know when you will need it.
hubud: Thanks @BoingoBoingo
deedbot: Provide a paste URL to the ascii-armored GPG public key or the full 40 character key fingerprint without spaces or dashes.
deedbot: Provide a paste URL to the ascii-armored GPG public key or the full 40 character key fingerprint without spaces or dashes.
hubud: doesn't like my key
deedbot: 2663CCEE8A986D69753970E5453FED117075F0A8 registered as hubud.
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737414 <- confirmed; I do NOT use any nextprime or other "rng"-parts from gpg; current rsatron prototype simply grabs nbits from fg, flips the 2 top bits and 1 bottom bit as per previous discussion and then checks if result is prime; if prime then keep, otherwise discard and try again; no "add 2 until prime" or other such thing
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik "nextprime" or anything like it is not used
apeloyee: fwiw I just realized that this ^ leaks a little via the modulus
apeloyee: if the modulus is M, then p,q>M/2^2048 (because p,q<2^2048)
☟︎ apeloyee: if "no leaks on principle", this needs to be dealt with
apeloyee: can't see how to plug it completely though
apeloyee: if M is say, 1.999999 * 2^2047, then ~20 first bits of p and q are known
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 22:03 asciilifeform: not knowing the e has exactly same effect as not knowing half of the n.
apeloyee: assuming M is a modulus of a useful RSA key, this will work
apeloyee: (i.e. M is not prime, and not single-digit)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 19:36 asciilifeform: and get rid of the pointers.
apeloyee: grrr. "M is say, 1.999999 * 2^2047" << 2^4065, of course
diana_coman: apeloyee, if I understand that correctly basically the only way to plug that leak would be to give up on diddling p and q, including setting size; which would mean just get random pairs of primes until their product fits the desired number of bits for the key; obv this lands into the trouble of having one of them too small
☟︎ spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737264 <-- strings are (lisp) lists-of-characters. which, as it is, unfortunately makes parsing and evaluating builtin functions (e.g. cons, car, cdr) a pain in the ass. can be structured cleanly though. also, this makes it not a simple matter of find+replace in shithub scheme.adb.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 19:35 asciilifeform: phf: ideally i'd get rid of Ada.Strings , full stop
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 19:36 asciilifeform: and rewrite the parser per se in scheme ( have it be present as commented bytecode constant )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 19:47 asciilifeform: and not 'as much as you want' but up to B bytes, with B given on commandline and stackframed on warmup.
apeloyee: diana_coman: if keeping the minimum of 2^2047 for primes, you can, for example, generate primes between 2^2047 and 2^2049, and start over if the modulus is unacceptable. not sure what minimum for p and q makes sense.
☟︎☟︎ diana_coman: apeloyee, my first thought went that way but then on one hand this just makes the interval larger basically and on the other hand I have no idea how to even evaluate the compromise (i.e. how large interval is large enough anyway, leaving aside that the how big is big enough for p and q is not that terribly clear either -at least not to me); in other words I can see it as an improvement but I can't actually evaluate it clearly
diana_coman: that being said, I can't quite see it being any *worse* than this affair with fixed size AND fixed top bits
☟︎ mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.207429 165QE3hRB3x5781eQoxFjN1pdZndyzZJmv
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:09 apeloyee:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734517 << not quite. for encryption, if I get your modulus, and you actually want to read my messages, I can generate a public exponent between M/2 and (say) 3M/4, and attach it to the message in plaintext.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no communication among unknown parties. someone somewhere gives you a key.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:25 diana_coman: apeloyee, if I understand that correctly basically the only way to plug that leak would be to give up on diddling p and q, including setting size; which would mean just get random pairs of primes until their product fits the desired number of bits for the key; obv this lands into the trouble of having one of them too small
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:09 asciilifeform: the way i'd implement the whole shebang, is simply to reject both primes if the highest bit of pq is not 1 .
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 03:58 lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737253 << time will tell. Depends on how much the logs-to-date worth of archives end up being in drive space. Bandwidth also a factor. Many things left to be sussed out.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 06:15 hubud: stumbled on trilema blog last week, been reading nearly nonstop since..
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I meant in the final pair; i.e. you get p=3 and q=2^4095+1 sort of thing; ofc throw both in a pair if product not right size; but if not enforcing any size condition at all on p and q then you can end up with any small prime too
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:22 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737268 <-- this. ftr, current adalisp prototype (not-yet-published and thus yet-vapourware!) represents "pointers" as indices in a statically-allocated array.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:29 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737294 <-- not sure if possible with ffatronic ada subset, though, because of "no dynamic objects" restriction. in my (yet-unpublished) prototype, lisp memory size is a static knob.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for starters I don't know what is "large enough" aka "not fatally small" p or q
mircea_popescu: fortunately for everyone, the state of the needy is croaking before managing to complete its self-defined mission.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:02 apeloyee: if the modulus is M, then p,q>M/2^2048 (because p,q<2^2048)
davout: mircea_popescu: i remembered mostly the "pedos as afraid of women who'll identify them as beta cux"
mircea_popescu: yes, you can expect that your modulus will lead 10 more often than 11. but this is in the book already.
mircea_popescu: davout ima deal with this prime thing then fish out the convos if you'd like.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:05 apeloyee: if M is say, 1.999999 * 2^2047, then ~20 first bits of p and q are known
diana_coman: asciilifeform, myeah, hence my "what does it even do for me simply making this interval larger"
mircea_popescu: i have a serious issue with bit/byte confusion trying to get myself out of it somehow.
mircea_popescu: ftr, octet is the fucking right word for 8 bits. a byte should be 64 bits these days.
diana_coman found herself using "octet" in code because of going nuts with bytes/bits otherwise
mircea_popescu: anyway, the same problem exists in the tail : if N is 000000001 at the end, i know BOTH p and q were 11111111 last 8 bit
mircea_popescu: the only way to have an N = 11111111.... is if both q and p are 1111111......
mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect you never do binary calculation at all asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: 1111111100000000×1111111100000000 = 11111110000000010000000000000000 if you much prefer.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's entirely no way out of this. for purely mathematical reasons.
mircea_popescu: however you "cut" the problem out, the surface of the cut becomes the problem
☟︎ mircea_popescu: of course, the odds of getting a FF FF q and a FF FF p are 1/2^32
mircea_popescu: there ~are~ extension attacks, but those typically require more than a dozen bits known.
mircea_popescu: (on proper rng. on bs prng / kochgpg etc, they don't.)
mircea_popescu: kinda why faux rng calibration is done on 1blocks in the first place.
mircea_popescu: "all you need to know is where the signature 1blocks come in the "rng", as they will be preserved by binary mult, can be seen in modulus."
mircea_popescu: afaik "shadow brokers" didn't release this principal rsa exploitation tool of "teh equation group", but : imagine you have a machine a) working on your own special-purpose made prng ; and b) generating rsa keys all the time and on call.
mircea_popescu: you now look for the signature blocks of a in b, and have the whole show.
mircea_popescu: moreover, VERY GOOD (for some purposes) prngs are eminently sign-block-ing.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares for as long as they're used for what they're intended to be used, such as reproducible scientific simulation.
mircea_popescu: in the scheme discussed above, periodicity is specifically the point.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is structure, you have to have the "emitter" pretty well identified to make useful pattern measurements.
mircea_popescu: this, amusingly, is an exact rehash of your antenna detection discussion
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:33 apeloyee: diana_coman: if keeping the minimum of 2^2047 for primes, you can, for example, generate primes between 2^2047 and 2^2049, and start over if the modulus is unacceptable. not sure what minimum for p and q makes sense.
mircea_popescu: though /me is consoled to see bright minds have the same intuitive inclination.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:46 diana_coman: that being said, I can't quite see it being any *worse* than this affair with fixed size AND fixed top bits
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very likely. you're a person of interest, what, who\s gonna confiscate your shit.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 14:22 mircea_popescu: consider the following point : the recent las vegas shooter had bought a room ; and had ferried a quarter ton of materiel up there ; and then the concert started, and he sat.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with "complexify the code machine" tendency. somehow it appears intuitively evident that having a portion of the code INSIDE the machine is "a more complex, therefore a more secure system". it is not. 100% of the key belongs in the key.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental, and perhaps only result to date of cryptology.
mircea_popescu: (there's a reason imperials have that problem -- it's called "technological progress".)
mircea_popescu: it will sadden you to find surgery is highly roboticized, in the sense of ~60% of surgeon man-hours put in by 1967 surgeons are now done by machine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so separate. wait a decade, bitcoin appreciates.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:09 asciilifeform: the way i'd implement the whole shebang, is simply to reject both primes if the highest bit of pq is not 1 .
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 23:00 mircea_popescu: much saner to put all gays in jail because "they offend baby jezuz" than to put all pedos in jail because "they harm little kids"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 05:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm preparing popcorn for when they finally unearth the pedophilia issue. so far swimming in the brackish water of imaginary problems that are only problems ot the problemizers.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 19:26 mircea_popescu: Framedragger "have you tried not wanting to fuck guys???" whadda ya know, next they'll "cure" pedos. because they're so totally unlike gays and everything.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 22:18 mircea_popescu: hence all the discussions re "fags got their weddings, pedos are next".
a111: Logged on 2015-04-30 15:40 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the original (mostly politically driven) explanation for violence against homosexuals - some sort of "homophobia" suffers a lot seeing how ALL SORTS of other sexual behaviours elicit the same violent response. such as transsexualism, or pedophilia.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 01:01 mircea_popescu: the very notion that the us has any sort of purpose, not even conscious or expressible, but any sort whatsoever is ridiculous on its face. it has all the purpose of a shambling headless zombie. which is why they're stuck trying to invent nonsense, "women and gayz! anti pedo!!" etc.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-24 21:00 mircea_popescu: who cares that pedo today ==== faggot 1965.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-24 21:00 mircea_popescu: the gays got their way with marriage prior to the freeze, but that's it. pedos aren't getting theirs.
mircea_popescu: there's prolly some stuff on trilema too but too lazy to dig moar. shoulds suffice i guess.
a111: Logged on 2014-05-10 20:40 mircea_popescu: fluffypony that's right, this is the channel of the minority of people into bitcoin that aren't also pedos.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 14:33 asciilifeform: observe, you cannot say anything re p,q from he middle bits of pq (or rsa would be useless)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 14:40 asciilifeform: iirc most recent black magic gives you polynomialtime breakage if >=.22b of bitness b of p or q bits are known
mircea_popescu: (ordered but not continuous a lesser bar ; known-positions higher but still lesser ; continuous block, unknown position ; etc)
mircea_popescu: how useful something is is of no consequence in the classification of things. it still gets a label.
mircea_popescu: also, polynomial time isn't THAT great. depends a little on the polynomial involved :D
mircea_popescu: the meet in the middle etc thing i saw was far from instantaneous. maybe better technologies do exist, but anwyay
mircea_popescu: "doable", yes, but nobody's writing a php script of this to put on his site.
mircea_popescu: (then again this dun say much -- phuctor, "undoable" until it was done, according to the idle wankers / "academics" publishing around it pretending to not know where they got their dataz.)
mircea_popescu: whole "civilisation" of folk hoping to pass off some tech with serials shaved off.
mircea_popescu: the necessary corelate of "no kid left behind" and "creativity!!11", after all. where's all the world's mediocrities to come up with shit ?
mircea_popescu: copy/paste wikipedia exams are a matter of necessity if you're going to bother all shepherds and whatnot daylabourers to join your "college"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's been films of elephant etc same.
mircea_popescu: of course they do! the saving grace is that you don't speak orc, to see the pretense.
mircea_popescu: petrus pretends to have created england ; so do romanians at that
mircea_popescu: are you aware there's a substantial ro mystico-scientism putting the etruscans as romanian derivative ? and no, it's not "ceausescu madness", ro sufragette cca 1920, exact equiv of that russian fat old woman.
mircea_popescu: imagine, he was a general. before that, colonel. earlier still, major. prior to that, lt.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, the coffee in this country. HOW do they do it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, ion iliescu went through similar period. "dissident" etc. except for the pics where he's playing retarded games with ceausescu & co.
mircea_popescu: and you know, pacepa was no less than ro resident in rfg. he fucking led the east presence there for at least most of 64.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: then he got promoted in 66 (ceausescu came to teh secretariatship in 65).
mircea_popescu: i dunno... at some point in the 80s the whole eastern front (arafat, gaddafi, ceausescu) had multi-mn bounties on his head. if he survived that...
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : usg focused on infiltrating and corrupting ro justice system first ; as a result in 1999 they came up with a "rehabilitation" supreme court decision. ro govt refused to recognize it, which resulted in a lot of usg agitprop material as to how "romania not yet rule of law".
mircea_popescu: kinda the blue state blueprint, in general. first subvert justice system then lie about rule of law then so following.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, one of the dudes that somehow "failed to identify" pacepa went on to kill a coupla french spies in sudan)
BingoBoingo: Question: What is a bank reference letter?
mircea_popescu: (to ruin many "westerners" hopes and delusions of self relevancy :
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737754 means that no, paris '68 is NOT necessarily more than the original later copied by obama-socialism under heading of "orange revolutions". "oh, you mean pacepa's paris v2.0 ? I SEE!.")
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 15:54 mircea_popescu: and you know, pacepa was no less than ro resident in rfg. he fucking led the east presence there for at least most of 64.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 15:57 mircea_popescu: market value of 88yo is ~0 anyway.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo generally the lowest rank of the letters of credit. the bank makes a non binding judgement as to customer;s ability to meet a specirfied financial obligation.
mircea_popescu: this is spurious in your case, tell them you'll pay cash upfront.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the people true and squarely had enough. this is the fundamental problem with being saddled with a people in the first place -- what they want isn't ever what';s needed.
mircea_popescu: "the people have had enough with not being able to buy consumer goods ; and if they were able to buy consumer goods they'd have wanted to "form oppinions" in the manner of ustards, and in the vein of "school exams too hard ; work too long hours ; idealised self not actualised by regime ; let other people take our industry, we'll do service "industry" ; want to live today on money we might make tomorrow IF and only if we don't
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, I'll tell this lawyer being auditioned. I'll also ask him if he can do BROU instead of fucking Santander.
mircea_popescu: and in that vein, once one starts one doesn't end until california reconstructed.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao wtf is a lawyer herping about such nonsense.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I asked him for the "how do we get a corporation fast" answer. His answer is off the shelf. This isn't the first time I've heard "bank reference" being bandied aboutwith respect to opening a corporate account.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 05:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: default firmware is known-boobytrapped
BingoBoingo: Well, this router is the beefier Octeon box.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, it's not simply " paying off his national debt". it's like this : dood went deeply into debt post nixon visit, on the strength of us jewish promises (ie, tech transfer) and to the degree of their own established "deep enough to have no way out". they obviously did not deliver, but then he DID dig himself out, paid whole debt in little over decade. ie, not only that he paid it, but that he paid it "imposs
mircea_popescu: ibly" ie "does not understand how jew-worldview works!"
mircea_popescu: and then in SPITE of "tech control", romania was building its own computers. not good, no. yet. but it's own machine gun factory WAS better than us anything, after a 20-30 years of "not good, no".
mircea_popescu: and then in spite of "political control" ie "containment policy" romania operated it's OWN gulf concessions with its own machinery and shipped the oil on its own boats made in its own factories.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but, no, ceausescu didn't get overthrown because "the people". who the fuck seriously thinks "the people" even matter, jesus.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if he HAD a continuator, like the chinese managed to continue xiaoping, i have little doubt i'd be all for the regime, decked in the usual "youngest general in the signals" regalia and we'd be holding this convo across the berlin wall.
mircea_popescu: meh. it'd have had to be reformed. half of it made no sense.
mircea_popescu: socialist-nationalism still socialism. make it capitalist nationalism we're in business. specifically - the portuguese business, rape everyone
mircea_popescu: this is not similar, i was there for ceausescu not for iliescu lol
mircea_popescu: so then, elder brother saying "half of it made no sense" very != archeologist saying "i don't understand how half of this shit even worked"
mircea_popescu: i understand how it worked ; it however made no sense. diff point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he had a point, at that. 20 to the ruble im sure.
mircea_popescu: of particular interest to you might be causescu's self-concept, especially items such as "a critica" (to critique). i dunno how many of his own words you've read, but the man had a very interesting (on the grounds of its incredible low level form that maintained reasonable function) husserl approach to post-hegelian dialectics.
mircea_popescu: this, in a fellow entirely unsuspectable of having ever HEARD of husserl, let alone read anything in german, is a feat somewhat comparable to the 256 byte 99% lisp interpreter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform marginally sufficient material (to show it, if not to discover it necessarily) actually on trilema.
mircea_popescu: nah, his romanian was that of a retard, 5th grade just about. very evidently SIMPLE alphabet.
mircea_popescu: dood also had serious emotivity probloems -- extremely shy, etcetera. epicycle is perhaps that encounter with the czechoslovak "labour people" when they ask him a (simple, let's be friends) question (context is that he's the hero, against soviet invasion, etc) and he totally can't answer.
mircea_popescu: but to be unable to say who you're thanking at oscar ceremony... kinda blonde moment. you KNEW they were gonna ask.
mircea_popescu: and to most mediocre people, gave this impression of utter idiocy, because regularily contradicted their "reasonable expectations". except didn't have the mp refinement of making it painful for them later.
mircea_popescu: so the notion endured, "oh, mp doesn't understand maffs".
mircea_popescu: it's true, he doesn't. NEITHER DO YOU. without that latter part...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope. the problem with the mediocre pretending to "intellectuals" is they've agreed to only hurt physcologically.
mircea_popescu: it has to be "mrs pantsuit, where's your having won the presidency nao ?" at the lowest.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> entirely oral thinker. << Ah, hung out with too many Frenchies did he
mircea_popescu: ideally, it's a "hey, check out how your stupidity #1 contradicts your stupidity #2, what do you have to say for your stupidity that isn't throwing a hissy fit ?"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hung with ~nobody. didn't even fuck around, married a 25yo whore 9-year whore, stuck to her 50 years.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz that's what the mediocre intellect has decided upon.
mircea_popescu: see, this is the problem : selection and education are different.
mircea_popescu: yes i select my whores. but once i selected what may be promises, i humiliate her, i don't fucking kill her.
mircea_popescu: humiliation is definitionally "in the terms of the idiot"
mircea_popescu: dude it's incredible how fucking useless the internet is.
mircea_popescu: i read piles of ceausescu transcripts, they're all exactly nowhere. 1968 meeting with the writer's union ? really, NOT EVEN THAT ? 1965 may 19th "who wants a seat in helicopter" one ? nope ?
mircea_popescu: im totally finding this, motherfucker, im sure i saved copies on trilema somehwere PRECISELY for this conversation
deedbot: hubud voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: after a stenograph of 1971 (aug 4) meeting at Mangalia (Neptun).
mircea_popescu: the 1965 and 1968 items absent, but pars pro toto this shall have to do.
mircea_popescu: dude has the audacity to ask for "a ballet on the topic of having finished the kolohoz-isation". you know ? at least asks the right fucking questions, even if nobody in audience has the mettle to make answer.
mircea_popescu: and he has the numbers : right here, where we happen to be, i ~know the name of the local lord~, and his numbers : 600 to 2209, he says. and what is teh retort ?
mircea_popescu: "oh the numbers are wrong". yeah, im sure they are. and the tractors invented, and the working the fields with oxen and horses and wives pre 1940 calumny, perhaps. hurr.
davout:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737789 <<< needed the same when opening a bank account in .mu, reference letter didn't need any particular judgement about whether i'd be able to meet a financial committment, but just something along the lines of "had bizns with this gentleman for X years, didn't leave with unpaid debts, isn't a fucking gypsy"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 16:54 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I asked him for the "how do we get a corporation fast" answer. His answer is off the shelf. This isn't the first time I've heard "bank reference" being bandied aboutwith respect to opening a corporate account.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 15:30 asciilifeform: there was a '90s american film where there is a scene, where an airplane lands in africa and in fast motion gets stripped for parts, like elephant carcass by hyenas
BingoBoingo: In other news, apparently Tower 4 of the world trade center is not actually inside the world trade center free zone.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level)
☝︎☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:25 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737264 <-- strings are (lisp) lists-of-characters. which, as it is, unfortunately makes parsing and evaluating builtin functions (e.g. cons, car, cdr) a pain in the ass. can be structured cleanly though. also, this makes it not a simple matter of find+replace in shithub scheme.adb.
phf: for example your Symbol_EqualP should just be a pointer comparison, rather than string comparison. (the whole point of a ~symbol~ over a string is that it's interned, i.e. same sequence of characters always map to the identical Symbol object)
apeloyee:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737542 << that's just DoS. but, if you have computational capacity, you check the padding. may also require that it's signed with my key, with the pubexp attached if you don't know it. Thus, the modulus is in principle sufficient to _initiate_ the converstaion
☝︎ apeloyee: I don't see how you can extend to this case
apeloyee: well, that means the enemy can drown you even if we kave pub.exps, by simply flooding
apeloyee: u can use these to verify that purported pub-exp is validly signed
apeloyee: can attach your pubexp in plaintext, to the signature
mircea_popescu: but a signature signed by a pubexp i didn't have PRIOR to the receiving of the signature is definitionally worthless.
apeloyee: I thought you said modulus _is_ the identity, and here I presume the modulus is known
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 23:10 asciilifeform: returning to the exponent thing, seems that mircea_popescu is right, nothing particularly interesting can be done by distributing a pub with e' . ( other than 'believe me , his e is 3' and then messages ~to that pub~ are breakable if padding is broken. but that' sit . )
mircea_popescu: so your model is, i have your pubkey, and encounter an item signed by that N, with a specific e that's included in the signed text ?
apeloyee: of course, must check that e/=1
mircea_popescu: except we're currently defaulting e's no whatever, 65537
mircea_popescu: for exactly asciilifeform 's reason : shorter this way
jurov: a111: strings are sequences, not lists. cons/car/cdr does not apply, there's different set of functions for these
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in other domestic tranquility news, just finished stuffing a mason jar with baked peppers. they have some FABULOUS kapja peppers here.
apeloyee: the amount of computation that you must do ,<< the same as for any packet: 1 mod-exp and check padding. >> and bits you must buffer, to do friend-or-foe, is considerably larger. << twice as much. might be acceptable, depending on circumstances.
mircea_popescu: and i just appointed a new crown provider of chocolate. you should see this thing, so endearingly evidently hand-made copy of "how a chocolate looks" when hershey makes it...
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone wants some chocolate/coffee/whatever mp-approved products shipped lemme know ima send you a batch.
mircea_popescu: there are some primitives you don't wanrt to keep around,
mircea_popescu: "but mp, rats don't reproduce by eggs" "And why do you have to thank for that ?"
mircea_popescu: enlighten me, what does this wrench perfectly legitimately ever do ?
apeloyee: (512byte) << already impossible if must be both encrypted and signed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's much faster ways, such as the 2^x - y method.
mircea_popescu: if you want an n bit prime calculate 2^n and substract the correct small integer.
mircea_popescu: there is no such correspondence. there's more n than log n
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the correct solution to this "quickly, prime this many bits long" is a n, k tuple which contains n as the bitsize and k as the "oddness". if you want the n - 396 k = 5 prime you get 2^396- 1229
mircea_popescu: we're still not clear on "The needs this wrench helps". so far very much blender-toilet. "maybe someone somewhere needs to make turd batidos"
mircea_popescu: your "prime hash" is not equiprobable, worst fucking hash ever.
apeloyee: I didn't claim prime constructer, just an improved method to generate candidates for miller-rabin
mircea_popescu: a hash where output x is y times more likely than output z is not a hash. it's a fash.
apeloyee: some primes have many composites before them and thus are more likely
mircea_popescu: in fact imo the "prime hash" is a textbook example of "worst hash ever".
apeloyee: return 4;//guaranteed to be random
mircea_popescu: apeloyee great hash. always yields 4. unbreakable. what's the problem ?
mircea_popescu: in fact, the return 4; hash is the ~only hash function about which we can say with certainty that no inverse exists.
mircea_popescu: might actually be an interesting approach to the whole "hash evaluation" problem.
mircea_popescu: even the shoddiest 2011 scammers produce ~perfect "bitcoin business opportunities". hence the popularity of scam-investment.
mircea_popescu: apeloyee because this is a mathematical leak, it's not avoidable properly speaking. multiplication is not a neutral op wrt the tails of the multiplicands. but leaks.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:09 asciilifeform: the way i'd implement the whole shebang, is simply to reject both primes if the highest bit of pq is not 1 .
mircea_popescu: once you decide rsa is based on mult, you decide to take the mult leak.
apeloyee: what's the range of candidate p's?
mircea_popescu: apeloyee from 11(2045 bits unset)1 to 11(2045 bits set)1
apeloyee: then my argument still applies
mircea_popescu: ah you meant in his thing. yes it still applies, he shaves a further half bit is all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sometimes i get this feeling like he's trying to discern if we're idiots.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 18:50 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to get back to teh ceausescu lulz : he describes vasile alecsandri (a rich, old boyar who also wrote poems, very much like say pushkin, massive landholder etc. but ceausescu discusses his work in terms of oyu know, "this journalist kid from the 1800s, did his job, wrote for the people".
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt he understood alecsandri as anything else. "a writer", yes, like a sort of newspaper man ++, a young mark twain, maybe talented, his paternal job being to "make available circumstances to development".
mircea_popescu: not at all. he had the most cursory familiarity with the man's work, of the exact sort as might have been pounded into a trades apprentice during basic schooling by kingdom efforts.
mircea_popescu: had no idea of eg the man's letters, as they weren't in the 3rd grade manual. or of anything else.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe the man had any sort of comprehension of the world outside the sheerest anachronism.
mircea_popescu: the ro folklore imagines the emperor's court as a sort of larger peasant house. i have no doubt ceausescu imagined all others as a sort of "people from village i have known"
mircea_popescu: in a sense. yes, there's a certain purity in ignorance.
mircea_popescu: (but the above, there is mention made of eg, emperor going out into the pridvor, ie peasant style veranda. cuz he must've had one. and so on. how could a house be without ? esp if rich enough ?)
mircea_popescu: ironically, romania's communist party had made the socialist republic very very far from the "sacred ideals". usg much more worthy of the S than rsr ever manafged to be.
mircea_popescu: (more fully visible, this evolution, in china. communists, rite ?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's scandalous ahistorism. the man ate ~like a monk.
apeloyee: ascillifeform: what do you need a scriptlang for if haz a proper lispm? to bootstrap lispm interpreter/compiler?
mircea_popescu: by all accounts he had no sex in the 70s or 80s ; but in any case had not even satisfied that minimum bar of middle class bourgeoisie of a 2nd girl somewhere.
mircea_popescu: worst kind of optionality. optional like woman is optional. in practice...
apeloyee: how to avoid perlization of $newscriptlang then?
mircea_popescu: keeping sane memstructs 99% of the job i am pretty well persuaded.
phf: asciilifeform: i understand your point, but i'm not sure that the author in question made a choice by considering viable alternatives, rather than from not knowing
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 100% petrus in this sense. << Petrus Macht Frei!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 14:55 asciilifeform: in sadder noose, cheapest bolix ivory microscopy quote, chinese, that covers all the layers ( metal and passivation ) is ~30,000 usd.
apeloyee: do you like the 'ivory' architecture so much?
mircea_popescu: not that many examples of not fundamentally braindamaged computing around.
mircea_popescu: he likes the z80 for the same reasons in the same way. and other obsolete matter.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> of course reality caught up with poor shoemaker's imagination, and today's 'emperors' indeed have not only front porches but armchair with tv with foxnoose, and refrigerator full of 'bud' << The local noise is dominated by 'bud' sales freefalling. Popular yet unverifiable by me theory is lack of once much marketed 'Born on date' discontinued by the Brazilians is letting retailers and wholesalers keep rancid product on
mircea_popescu: alternatively, beer is swill to begin with, and esp the alt-flavoured sprite they sell in the us.
BingoBoingo: The point is once lowered, bar keeps finding ways to fall further
phf: apeloyee: i have a friend who periodically attempts to write his own programming language, but without reading any documentation. when i ask him, hey, why not read lisp in small pieces or something, he just goes "well, i'm going to learn something just by trying", which i recently realized is straight up american education model. there's nothing that comes out of it though, he just keeps banging his head against solved problems!
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 23:53 asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
mircea_popescu: "could you guess from context what the unknown word means ???"
mircea_popescu: it's the fundamental orcism, this. expressed pluriously by the orcs now inhabiting the once-proud colonies. "you couldn't know as you haven't experienced". really, bitch ? what the fuck DO YOU THINK KNOWLEDGE EVEN IS!
mircea_popescu: and so on, a whole host of, centrally, the same thing. a sort of iliterate solipsism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it's traditionally spelled ceausescu. there's no soft c in romanian, esp not next to e.
mircea_popescu: i know a bunch of imbeciles who should speak a lot more hesitatingly than this guy. such as for instance ~everyone not-white. somehow, they don't, going all the way to like obama daring to even open his mouth in public.
ben_vulpes: fwiw google makes their robotranscripts available over
http phf: (crackpot in question is also in all your lisps, fucking with your asdfs)
mircea_popescu: since we're doing this, here's a fundamental point i don't understand.
mircea_popescu: why, again, is there a relation between cpu register bit width and memory-allocation-unit bit width ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, historical concept of pages seems to suggest that the relationship is exactly of the nature of "byte=octet, we're dumb".
mircea_popescu: let's instead say thatr we have a modern machine, with 64 bit bytes and 1mb bit pages.
mircea_popescu: in this model they are. memory (ram, disk, whatever -- comes in pages)
mircea_popescu: so your hdd nodes, for instrance, are... 1mb. and your ddram lines are... 1mb.
mircea_popescu: no, i am asking why exactly is one item unrelated to another item married to it.
mircea_popescu: it's obvious why cpu regs are "tiny" : so many lines worth putting down in gold.
mircea_popescu: rather, keep the regs, gimme "page to page hdd to ram and video" ops.
mircea_popescu: consider if you wrote/read the disk/net/video 1mb at a time.
mircea_popescu: now suppose i want to read some of this memory. what happens is that the controller reads A WHOLE LINE, and then selects from it the bit i wanted and spits it out.
mircea_popescu: but this is spuriosity. let it feed out... the whole line.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how is a 1GB ram chip store the 2^30 bits ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because you ~never read one bit. that's the issue here, whole fucking hardware is built around nonsense. nobody reads 1 bit ; and for most applications 1 byte (ie, 64 bits!) is actually an underbyte.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform typical pc has the following situation : 64 bit registers, 128 bit memory, 1024 bit disk sectors, 64 mb video buffers, and atop sitting a drunk driver who thinks 8 bits are a byte.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: meanwhile we're introducing 4096 bit keys, and 4096 bit message sizes.
mircea_popescu: whatr the fduck is he even talking about, "tagging every word". fucker, small words hardly worth tagging! make your word 4096 bits, tag THAT.
mircea_popescu: "oh, couldn't be done on hardware of back then". tell you what, fucking your wife also couldn't be done on your hardware of back when junior high.
mircea_popescu: and that meanwhile became quite technologically comfortable.
mircea_popescu: he's now at describing the mindbogglingly ugly hacks of how to get 32 bit fixnums out of 36 bit words with 6 bits of tag and 2 of code and so on, "oh actually the lowe order quarter can be repurposed"
mircea_popescu: (lulz of all time, 3600 came with built-in bitcoin miner)
phf: well, folx in question plundered as much as they could from mit and carefully guarded whatever they themselves produce. i don't know about there not being "logical reason to publish"
mircea_popescu: "worst thing that can happen to smart people is an easy money source early on"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something deeply wrong with response to mother shrieking about her daugher being fucked diverging from beating mother up / fucking her too. but... we digress.
phf: it's funny that 36xx series is basically an improved cadr. ivory on the other hand? literally scheme86: they poached both the main guy who worked on the cpu ~and the entire toolset~. ivory was still designed on CADR (rather than smbx), because that's where scheme team designed theirs
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: amusingly bucharest had nfi idea at the time it COULKD have done such a thing. literally 0 conception of what any of the items we're discussing here WERE. at all. not even the priors present.
mircea_popescu: phf i had the idea cadr more of a common ancestor, to smbx too.
phf: well, rms's nervous break down makes some sense when you actually read the code. there's a very obvious clear "steal everything that's not bolted" going on. cadr's SYSTEM sources were being developed in parallel with symbolics and LMI (to the point that there are conditionals in the cadr's code to compile os both on lmi and genera), with interactions slowly decreasing over time
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:43 mircea_popescu: it was involved as mental poison in these people's heads.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had the same impression. social not technological issue.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
mircea_popescu: it is particularily difficult to explain what one means by theft of a) ideal objects by b) parties who actually own them intellectually and c) when the objects were produced within their lifetimes.
mircea_popescu: (ownership here means what it means sexually -- if she submits she's yours, woman, idea, whatever.)
mircea_popescu: plurious agents can own the same idea in the mannger they can have the same girlfriend. knowing about it not required.
mircea_popescu: i suspect he was a bureaucrat (intellectually insufficient ; aware of this ; politically ambitious) and he resented the lack of control over smarter people.
mircea_popescu: his political activism later on entirely predicable on this.
mircea_popescu: control as the psychological construct is complicated.
phf: mircea_popescu: i was taking a poetic liberty there. it's the new appearance of a self serving strategy where there wasn't necessarily one (or the strategy changes drastically). the core of activity shifts elsewhere, but the original points of contact are maintained for the sole purpose of taking any new ideas that might've been introduced.
mircea_popescu: phf in the sense that they were trying to sell the machines, but avoid as much of the dev work as humanly possible ?
phf: mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: given that a) someone was going to make a billion dollars and b) it'd have been preferable it not be gates & jobs.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:43 mircea_popescu: no conception of who the enemy is and why exactly, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the matter was fluid in 1980. could have been.
mircea_popescu: nytimes also didn't "picture itself in competition with the weird net kids". and so following, chuck e cheese dude's "ipad restaurant" didn't see itself in competition with phones. "it's a restaurant". no it's not.
mircea_popescu: same way the same exact item opened cannon fire at the "taxpayers" from atop the walls of oxford.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: nope. they drag the local barristas into the campus by the hair to be raped for a weekend at a time.
mircea_popescu: change college admission to be more like arrest, for one thing.
mircea_popescu: ("oh, romanian gymnasts!!!" "yeah, right. you are aware none of the girls actually wanted to be there, yes ?")
mircea_popescu: but leaving these proper statements aside -- never mind the civilisational aspect, limit yourself to culture. they might've bothered to realise the only enemy is the taxpayer, moved to limit his impact on government. exactly as the medieval collegiate disputes flew.
mircea_popescu: there were two groups worth the mention during "golden age" of europe : mechants, and scholars. the prime characteristic of either ? immune to common law process!
mircea_popescu: merchants had merchant code, scholars had what meanwhile became an universalised immunity, "first conviction walk"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except it doesn't do anything. works like a painting works.
mircea_popescu: the important point is to be able to make the world make fucking sense against the constant yelps of the idiots who want the world to be comfortable.
mircea_popescu: and thereby, an ivory on every desk not a fucking windows.
mircea_popescu: and if this takes putting a few million instagramers on stakes, ALL THE BETTER.
mircea_popescu: that final "all the better" being the republic part. they failed to construct this system whereby extreme violence applied to everyone else was a net positive, in and of itself, for no other reason.
mircea_popescu: until macrosensible nobody even in bad dreams considers the cancer a threat.
mircea_popescu: the over-reaching all-important point is that had the dudes of 1985 produced an ideologically-closed system, by 1995 there'd have been a WHERE for people to go, other than windows.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 22:59 asciilifeform: this is the fate of all 'we don't have an ideology' derps
mircea_popescu: (closed here means "without externalities" rather than anything else)
mircea_popescu: moreover -- doubtful pill. didn't help soviets ; didn't help romanians.
mircea_popescu: the latter needed moar size ; the former a better ideology. evidently worked for eg china, so there is some tolerance.
mircea_popescu: you recall that (uncharacteristically well written) orlov article re "power of nyet" ?
mircea_popescu: very much it. extremely easy to defeat ustardation : just say no. it helps if you have a fully built system providing an alternative.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2014-07-28 19:19 asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your boot knife
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in spite of an inability to speak in public, or to make sense, extemporaneously or not, ceausescu was a major player in the status quo of 70s and 80s. that whole "don't mix into the affairs of others", very strong nationalism, managed to paralyze the us-owned and hosted un for two decafdes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the long run, stalin's internationalism proved the terribly wrong strategy. shoulda went with trotsky.
mircea_popescu: trotsky too idiotic to have stalin killed back when he could.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the whole ww2 made him so trotsky-sensitive, too.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 21:40 mircea_popescu: very much it. extremely easy to defeat ustardation : just say no. it helps if you have a fully built system providing an alternative.
mircea_popescu: nah. it's already very much siberia as far as they're concerned.
mircea_popescu: not usually advertised, but the expat community large indeed.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that soviet military man valuable ; chinese valuable ; romanian evidently valuable. what value does us tard bring ?
mircea_popescu: it's like asking about "flea defectors". parasytes dun meaningfully defect.
mircea_popescu: you'\re still missing the important point. usg is looking for a brand to show its large citizenry. much like every attempt to hold a tech fconference in argentina degenerates into a bunch of local tards speaking/stepping over each other to blather meaninglessly in the hope of thereby attaining a certificate of humanhood from the foreigners,
mircea_popescu: just so ustards are going to buy pacepa's nonsensical books.
mircea_popescu: the equivalent population does not exist, it's an epiphenomenon of collapsed colonies, like argentina, like america.
mircea_popescu: it's not common for eg greeks or italians to go crazy over "the beatles", they simply make a local band like that and that's it.
mircea_popescu: buncha defectors since korean war to china, but ... not nearly the same interest.
mircea_popescu: i suspect because no one wants americans for any purpose.
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't think of a competent anyone in the whole us army/navy/airforce brass.
mircea_popescu: what exactly could you possibly use one for ? not like they even have the usual value of "stolen documents", i guarantee you if you examed the O-paygrade you'd find not a single soul as well informed as the famous contractor/defector.
fromloper: Somehow manage to get here by clicking on contact.
fromloper: This is however more pleasing to my eyes than the other black and green one
mircea_popescu: well in this sense whole dnc long defected to china, moved desperately to prevent ru-us rapproachment back in the early days of 2016 when sitll possible.
fromloper: Any discussion about btc or bch today?
fromloper: ascii I have been reading logs when i relevant, also Trilema site.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> d00d was in no sense in control tho << Most bureaucrats aren't
mircea_popescu: i don't think this subject of your nostalgia ever existed outside the vhs world. it's like muller.
mircea_popescu: consider -- various mexican jumped border, us sent back.
deedbot: abrelosojos voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall every single wall jumper net drain on puyblic chest for whole life.
mircea_popescu: rly ? cuz what, he had a martha stewart type show on tv ?
mircea_popescu: ro did europe, mostly, kgb did us, mostly. they interoped.
mircea_popescu: (kgb also did europe, because paranoid. not very good, but ample resources)
mircea_popescu: right, and he survived because he scared them off. laissez.
mircea_popescu: this notion that ra-ra-ra usa-america is very much post 2000 nytimes construction. people in the 60s gave almost no shits about the us, unless like the italians they cxould directly leach.
mircea_popescu: people wanted to see italian films with antonelli, and french stuff, not hollywood nonsense.
mircea_popescu: romanians got them from the soviets as a general rule.
mircea_popescu: but eg, the pdp the romanians cloned was obtaind via soviets. the z80s were all swiss sourced.
BingoBoingo: <fromloper> What happened to qntra site << The isp quite on us. Hopefully Qntra returns ~December 15th.
mircea_popescu: me either, nor could he have. anyway, to recap -- dood was chief of ro belin residency. once retired (from field work), about simultaneous with ceausescu ascension, was promoted to strategy role in bucharest.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but by the 70s his active duty time was over.
fromloper: Has anyone here ever discussed solving btc blockchain capacity problem?
mircea_popescu: defected as a 50yo. a 50yo ready to claim oswald worked for kgb.
fromloper: MP The ever increasing amount of data
mircea_popescu: things don't change just because new generation of lambs came out of pregnant ewes this spring like each othe rspring before it.
mircea_popescu: the claim would be more presuasive had you referenced it.
fromloper: I have been looking into it and maybe there is a solution. However i am no expert computer programmer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider : pacepa defected in bonn. why not in new york ? except if there was 0 reason for the spy chief to ever go to new york. and his period item (letter to dana) is knee deep in eurocentric issues. noel bernard, srsly ? who the fuck cares about noel bernard.
fromloper: Banks curently keep a records of all txs and each account holder gets a personal statement
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was the nominal chief of the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: and he went to the hot spot of the whole shebang, which was teh germanies.
fromloper: Blockchain could be redesign to hold the data and each address and balance over 1 sat. each user would have their own mini blockcahin of txs and not others.
mircea_popescu: and yes soviets paid occasionally for ro sourced tech. it was without known exception (to me) sourced in eg france.
mircea_popescu: "everyone will be main player in his own world of warcraft!"
BingoBoingo: So do we contact Fort Meade or jolo to get an RMA number for this one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to put things in readily meaningful perspective : you going "oh shit, we can use this bit i dug up out of bernstein to improve phuctor speed" is 100% what a PRIME example of such "sourced tech" would have been. that the soviets'd have paid for and the whole project involved would be decorated and congratulated after taking however long, 18 months to do it.
mircea_popescu: that was the level. the problem with the romanians wasn't that they couldn't steal -- of course they could ; nor that it was in any way immoral or dubious to steal -- holy hell, country-in-development trying to catch up with technology, a good half of the techs involved were sympathetic anyway.
mircea_popescu: it was that a) it didn't know what to steal (as per above re lisp) and b) it couldn't steal fast enough.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, 60s and 70s tech was not really advanced enough in this sense ; for the other, ro actually had better experts than the us had. just -- not enough of them.
mircea_popescu: think -- the whole romanian section of ms/google etc was... in romania. that previous generation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romania was moar industrialized than the soviets, in this sense. had fine alloys. had fine mechanics, everything.
mircea_popescu: like czechs exactly (another major source of soviet such needs)
mircea_popescu: anyway. between this, "tech spying" and a whole lot of coutnerintel and military wankery, you've 99% of ro activity in the cold war. the former half minor in the early part and growing monotonously to come to overshadow latter part by 70s.
mircea_popescu: the pacepa nutteries with assassinations etc -- footnote, if present. then, as now, ~nobody gave a shit.
mircea_popescu: you know ro made its own semiconductors. what exactly ?
mircea_popescu: ^ 20 acre compound in bucarest. started production 62.
BingoBoingo: In other lessons learned today, Montevideo free trade zone offers tax savings... Which at ISP scale would swiftly be consumed by "user fees" to the operator of the zona franca
mircea_popescu: so, in 1962 they had germanium doped transistors. under ~license~ you get this, thomson csf.
mircea_popescu: then they made automated coil makers, and various production line automatics
mircea_popescu: (this is 99% of what they did, even the z80 clones were intended for production line control, which it was hard to get one at home0
mircea_popescu: check her out, exporting 3 inch silicium monocrystals.
mircea_popescu: i know, that's why i linked. dood has all sorts of weird.