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mod6: they'll prolly try
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, diana_coman , whoever else was tuned in for ffa ^^^ latest . << got it, thanks!
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai strange.. "apt-get install core-utils" yields same "E: unable to locate package"
mod6: try 'coreutils'
mod6: you can also do things like: `apt-cache search yourstringhere`
hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!)
lobbes: heh meta-phishing. "Learn to spot phishing attempts. Click here for 10 great examples!1!"
lobbes: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00100800 http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/M5dKx/?raw=true
lobbes: !!v 7BDD86FD1E526E11FAD264A440EA212CE3333034AF41544984D4AC63819F4B31
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.00100800 << http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt
lobbes: sweet!
asciilifeform: meanwhile in ddosistan, https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2017/09/25/significant-pricing-updates-are-coming-soon << lulzy 'ugh, that thing for which we were famous ? can't do no moar, and hey wouldja like to pay 5x more for less'
asciilifeform: '“Who should have to pay for protection from DDOS attacks?” is a trick question. No one should. Period. Because DDOS attacks shouldn’t happen. They definitely shouldn’t be several orders of magnitude easier and cheaper to launch than they are to defend against. But “should” and “is” are miles apart, and we have to take the world as it is, not as it should be. So who does have to pay for protection from DDOS attacks? E
asciilifeform: veryone.'
asciilifeform: though on upside they take btc nao...
asciilifeform: ( recall , mircea_popescu , the angry answer from d00d, 'we will never', etc. ? )
asciilifeform: ( lol stike the nooseitem re their btc: -- is circa 2015. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << lol didja also neglect the scorpion pit and the nuke waste drums ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 00:38 hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!)
asciilifeform: why HAVE a yahoo acct ?!!
asciilifeform: what pleasures am i missing in one..?
mircea_popescu: http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt << is this supposed to be 404 trinque ?
mircea_popescu: phf that it only gives from the later parameter
mircea_popescu: omfg it doesn't ?! just sheer concidence ?
mircea_popescu awed.
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717788 << new IP☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-27 06:21 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/akPqa/?raw=true << The IP address for deedbot.org and wot.deedbot.org shall be 45.32.123.240 from block 487154 until further notice.
mircea_popescu: oh. sorry.
trinque: m[
trinque: *np
mod6: trinque: do i need to change the one listed here then? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
trinque: nope, node remains at that IP.
mod6: ah, ok thx.
mircea_popescu: !!received-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A1H86/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!pay-invoice lobbes 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZCreA/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!v 5DAAA44B71955F14EB7E3934961B02394EC02C170B56BF1CDD23EE972D996F11
deedbot: mircea_popescu paid lobbes invoice 1
mircea_popescu: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gDtct/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!received-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9cvN1/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: trinque add pipe between "cancelled at" and "rejected at" fields when nil ?
mircea_popescu: lobbes didja get it ?
trinque: formatting goof in there? I'll take a look
mircea_popescu: just omits a pipe separating the last two nils
trinque: sure, will fix
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << pretty sure yahoo mail actually sells inbox access to spammers, message keywords and all.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 00:38 hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!)
mircea_popescu: iirc this was even broken on ro trilema at some ancient point, to usual chorus of "but what proof do you have this proof you have is proofing" and other theguardianisms.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719939 << pretty much 100% of present day "us tech" "industree" etc is built on bait and switch.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 01:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile in ddosistan, https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2017/09/25/significant-pricing-updates-are-coming-soon << lulzy 'ugh, that thing for which we were famous ? can't do no moar, and hey wouldja like to pay 5x more for less'
mircea_popescu: that said, 50 cents a day is pretty lulz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf is a RAUS anyway ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719943 << scarce consolation, so he yielded on btc so as to not yield on "must be in trilema" anyway ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:03 asciilifeform: ( recall , mircea_popescu , the angry answer from d00d, 'we will never', etc. ? )
mircea_popescu: "Since 2006, we’ve used the services of a third-party company to offer domain registration. That worked out really well for many years. Then, in 2014, that company was acquired by another, much larger, company. Its new parent owns a large number of other hosting companies that compete directly with us." <<< heh. i suspect it's exactly http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-regist
mircea_popescu: rar/
mircea_popescu: actually, i'm pretty sure it is.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719945 << felt a lot more like I was *in* the nuke waste drum! panama sux ftr, no idea why anyone outside of maaaaybe overspecialized ornithologists profess to like it. anyway, i have a yahoo account so other people don't have to. zero endorsements intended.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << lol didja also neglect the scorpion pit and the nuke waste drums ?
asciilifeform: hanbot: i've nfi why anybody hasto.
trinque ran his own postfix shitstack for a while, no point
asciilifeform: and pama suxx, though i've only set foot into/out of plane there, it has humidity like dc, and presumably year round
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you have any idea what yahoo mail penetration is among 3rd world whores ?
asciilifeform: trinque: believe or not, i still run one, i have eternal and ancient evils relying on it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nfi but ain't it an emailtron, can't other types speak with it..?
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: ...or is it an aolism
mircea_popescu: what are you, like from the future ?
asciilifeform: lol aolism then
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719976 << google's ~entire businessmodel neh☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << pretty sure yahoo mail actually sells inbox access to spammers, message keywords and all.
mircea_popescu: email interoperation is from a time in the 2020s as they appeared to come in 1980s.
asciilifeform: ( back when it has 'business model' other than simple 'tbtf' usgonics )
mircea_popescu: not as they actually came.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719982 << i have nfi what is a raus, hearing of it for 1st time☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf is a RAUS anyway ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, having read this thing you linked i actually come to like the guy, whoever he is. why the fuck isn't he in the wot ? dja have a contact ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719979 << gotta appreciate this peculiar fact : asciilifeform used nfs co. service since 2007. not misprint : a decade sharp as of a few mo. ago. with ZERO MAINTENANCE and ZERO hassle and ~zero downtime and laughed at GB/s ddoses and do i have to go on ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719939 << pretty much 100% of present day "us tech" "industree" etc is built on bait and switch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc you wrote to him, he said something like 'eh who are you, snoar'
mircea_popescu: schmuck.
asciilifeform: i dun think i've ever used any subscription-anything where i was as satisfied was with nfsco.
mircea_popescu: recall that other turdhead, what was his name, "oh i r big deal, who are you" in 2012 or when was it, then in 2014 "oh, please talk to me ?"
asciilifeform: not telco, not fucking magazines, nothing.
asciilifeform: when it finally rots to unusability -- and it will -- it will be an epic sad to asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope?
mircea_popescu: eh let's fish it out
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/
asciilifeform: where was the 'talk to me' piece
asciilifeform: i dun remember d00d repenting
mircea_popescu: there's a 2012 and a 2013 installment.
mircea_popescu: and no, idiots don't repent, that's part of being an idiot.
mircea_popescu: heck, max keiser still thinks he's "got insights" neh ? and whatever, "bitcoin cash is still around"
asciilifeform: so what exactly in 2014
asciilifeform: afaik all of these folx are happy to this day on their alt-planets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:09 AM [snipped idiocy] someone is paying me to look at your exchange. Can you [snipped idiocy] "
asciilifeform: ohey lol
asciilifeform: was this in the log?
mircea_popescu: and yeah, totally, i'm sure they're happy. an sept 2 investment in bch would have brought... o look, under 0.095 now!... what is this, 60% loss ?
asciilifeform: oh nm it was in linked trilema
mircea_popescu: except 100% cuz leveraged, ofcouars ?
asciilifeform: ha shitanic finally sinking innit.
mircea_popescu: o, no. it's... happy
mircea_popescu: sinking into happiness heh.
asciilifeform: ain't as if the chumpatron ops are losing own money
mircea_popescu: who's to know.
mircea_popescu: but yes, in principle a chumpatron op shouldn't be losing money, seeing how they translate into reality an ideal good : the disenfranchising of idiots.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719958 << plox to remove the deceased dulap, 46.166.165.30 . and also note that 108.31.170.49 ( zoolag ) is at 382k and will remain useless as a public node for some weeks.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:30 mod6: trinque: do i need to change the one listed here then? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6: want me to take them both off the list then?
asciilifeform: prolly best.
mod6: Okay, update me when either or both are back in action.
mircea_popescu: eh isn't that exaggerate ? it's a node, what. keep adjusting weekly ?
asciilifeform: ( a 382k node will do no one any good, it spends 95%+ of time blackholed )
asciilifeform: it's almost exactly same as a dead box.
mircea_popescu: mk.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is, for the time being, nodeless.
mod6: Done.
asciilifeform: ( remember, an unsynced trb node rejects ~ALL tx )
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: fwiw, jdw = jeff wheelhouse = https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2353366181/bq71cdufsrasc0sqxk8k_400x400.png
mircea_popescu: pretty entertaining shit, too. "Just spent an hour+ listening to @NETGEAR ProSafe support condescendingly claim a feature w/ an entire chapter in the manual doesn't exist. Finally made them download manual off their own site. "Huh. We'll try to get somebody who's heard of this to call you back… eventually." or, "Just had @MariaDB decline to give me a quote for @nfsn. They don’t deal with “staff” & say I’m too busy
mircea_popescu: & hard to reach to be in management. Also, their support offerings are so complex they’re “afraid” of “a great deal of misinterpretation” if they write them down."
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, dood's possibly been around for longer than the internets.
mircea_popescu: "The term "spam" came into broad use shortly after a famous incident on 12 April 1994. Canter and Siegel unleashed the first mega-spam against Usenet. (Cantor had done local, mini-spams before; he was now going international.) Canter spammed almost 6,000 groups in less than 90 minutes through an Internet Direct account (an Arizona Internet provider). The post was a C&S ad for the U.S. "Green Card lottery" -- a chance for non-
mircea_popescu: Americans to enter a very low-odds US-work-permit raffle. Jeff Wheelhouse, sysadmin for Internet Direct, was soon bombed into oblivion by world-wide complaints. He told the New York Times this caused Internet Direct computers to crash at least 15 times -- "that's when we stopped counting." Canter soon appeared on CNN's Sonya Live. Interestingly, spam was viewed as an innovation by Sonya, who hailed Canter as a Business Pionee
mircea_popescu: r instead of Wanton Vandal. Canter boasted he'd spam again."
mircea_popescu: http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/19/business/an-ad-gasp-in-cyberspace.html from back in the day it didn't know it's dead yet.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4402.04, vol: 7813.93351208 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4420.1, vol: 26728.06479848 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4419.0, vol: 3155.33581358 | Volume-weighted last average: 4416.26443677
lobbes: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2Z0bJ/?raw=true
lobbes: mircea_popescu, got it
lobbes: this is pretty cool
mircea_popescu: o hey.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, totally nice work trinque
mircea_popescu: i hope you're corking champagne over there.
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/mircea_popescu_payment_receipt.txt
phf: test
midnightmagic: Uh. asciilifeform? Can I ask you where you managed to dig up those old SKS keysets which predate the one I shared with you?
midnightmagic: Also, may I point people to you as a source of SKS historical data?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720072 << heh, the next day after http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719442 huh ? tell you what, wait until it's back on, then ignore the matter for a few years, then when it next is down or anything come back and ask that.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 11:47 midnightmagic: Also, may I point people to you as a source of SKS historical data?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 14:56 asciilifeform: RIP dulap.
mircea_popescu: it's the only way!
midnightmagic: doh
midnightmagic: .. hard drives were seized? What's dulap? Is that the name of the server you guys were using for the phuctor project?
mircea_popescu: it's all in the logs you know. see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714183 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714212 and so on.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 04:01 mircea_popescu: [HE1EUR02FT027.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com]
midnightmagic: lol I swear I was reading them almost that whole time man... oh. Gad dangit.
shinohai: Morning mircea_popescu .... sending out that reply after tea. o/
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic that's EXACTLY the fucking problem. modern man has total disconnect between symbols dancing in front of eyes and anything to do with action.
mircea_popescu: buncha zoo seals, trained to clap along.
midnightmagic: The page with the RIP dulap doesn't have the raid failure mention on it. I can't read *that* fast dude.
shinohai has no coffee this morning, must start the day the Earl Gray way. (tm)
mircea_popescu: shinohai move to costa rica, have the problem of omfg i can't keep drining so much coffee... but it's so good...
mircea_popescu: i'm not much of a coffee drinker, in general. but when i live here i take a few months to turn into utter fiend. then if i move away it goes away.
midnightmagic: +1 Gesha Esmeralda coffee. It's a sin to drink it anyway but black.
mircea_popescu: cafe con leche ftw!
midnightmagic: macchiato guy myself, for the coffees that are worthy enough to be drunk so.
midnightmagic: Dangit. Phuctor was an important project.
mircea_popescu: it still is an important project.
mircea_popescu: and in other ancient lulz, http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2058&context=bclr
mircea_popescu: not sure what's lulzier, the failed-female whining or the concerned-bystander "is college bezzle getting all it could get ???".
phf: what an odd opener
midnightmagic: Hrm. I missed my chance to download the phuctor db snapshot.
mircea_popescu: i find it interesting that anyone thought that'd make sense as an opener. for the READERS OF LAW REVIEW no less.
mircea_popescu: 90s a lot dumber than originally thought, in the us.
phf: i suppose the usual suspects were making inroads, perhaps in 20 years it will not be obvious why high pitched sjw is a "google" concern
mircea_popescu: cucks trying to signal to milfs that they're available, basically. naive colonies sufficiently unsophisticated to allow this shameful display.
mircea_popescu is pretty well satisfied ~only reason charles f. wilson put that out there is the hope that some "divorcee" somewhere will "let him help".
phf: i didn't realize it was written by a guy. i've not encountered that whole cuck behavior until i came to u.s. i suppose i remember men like that growing up, but they were explicitly recognized and condemned
phf: in unrelated
phf: !#s dog notfrom:mircea
a111: 957 results for "dog notfrom:mircea", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dog%20notfrom%3Amircea
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy throughout. "we were old enough to fight in vietnam, but not old enough to vote, which is lulzy, notwithstranding we whined a lot more than we fought, AND ALSO LOST THAT WAR THOUGH BEING SAD FAILURES!!! ; then the vote thing was fixed, but it was fixed in the wrong way -- by lowering emancipation age it meant daddy no longer has to pay! UNFAIR!"
mircea_popescu: !#s dog notfrom:mircea from:ascii from:ben notfrom:phf
a111: 296 results for "dog notfrom:mircea from:ascii from:ben notfrom:phf", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dog%20notfrom%3Amircea%20from%3Aascii%20from%3Aben%20notfrom%3Aphf
mircea_popescu: ahaha check that out. nice!
phf: oh the combination has been working for a while, that example with hurr durr had ascii hidden somewhere there
phf: i tried !from:foo syntax, but until there's a proper search query grammar i think i'll stick to an explicit looking keyword, as originally suggested
mircea_popescu: phf dood's bio : 1993-1994 greater boston food bank volunteer (ie, ASSISTANT volunteer MANAGER!!!), then 1998-2002 testa hurwitz & thibeault. boston college law school (ie, shit) 94-97. "saint joseph university" (ie, shit), ba politics 89-93.
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone remember the brouhaha of "fair" (ie, some faggots-on-campus pac) vs rumsfeld case ? (govt wanted to cut funding for colleges that didn't allow army recruiters on campus, solomon amendment ; they didn't want to allow recruiters on campus because they judged don't ask don't tell DISCRIMINATORY!!!11)
phf: a beautiful specimen
mircea_popescu: so : bc law thinks having argued before the supreme court!!!! on the wrong side of a case that got adjudicated the other way 8-0 is something to put in its bio as the #1 item.
mircea_popescu: if anyone things it prepares lawyers that one's reading comprehension is barrista-adequate.
mircea_popescu: (one helluva braindamaged "case" that was, too. worth reading for the curious, they got thrown out at every level, then held up supreme court to educate them in basic law.)
mircea_popescu: "In Spring 2017, the Boston College Environmental Affairs Law Review, Boston College International and Comparative Law Review, and the Journal of Law and Social Justice published their last issues and consolidated into the Boston College Law Review." for extra bonus points.
phf: this is a discouraging entomology, since i just came back to washington d.c. so now i have to interact with willsons and their brood yet again. (not directly, but i get to see them on the street)
mircea_popescu: this guy is now assistant public defender in hartford, ct!!! no less
mircea_popescu: so i much doubt you will interact with him unless you somehow age 20 years, get tit implants and become a socialite.
mircea_popescu: i expect 50% of his fare are de mournay DUIs, 50yo ex-starlet / alcoholic jane fonda.
phf: i might run into him in the street! i have friends in hartford and throughout CT (though i mostly visit those on the coast)
phf: luckily i can't find his picture, so i will remain blissfully ignorant
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the above line re "consolidated into" is there to explain how exactly $item became shit : at time t0, there existed $item, and it was respectable. at time t1, misguided "pluralism" allowed a bunch of rank imbeciles, such as here typified by charles f wilson, to open $rakim-and-his-black-chix-code, $faggots-fashion-law-review etcetera. then at time t2, the foregoing useless items "got consolidated" into $item. the
mircea_popescu: end.
mircea_popescu: this is how the ourdemocracy "pluralism" ratchet works : if everyone is nominally equal, and if nobody should face the music of his own ineptitude, then you can cycle these spawn-and-consolidate cycles until everything is pure shit.
mircea_popescu: (ie, exactly the monetary process described in http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/ except applied to labour rather than capital)
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing amusings -- i wonder why exactly hasn't the "alt right" picked up on JESUIT heritage to bitch and whine about ? it's just about the core of modern pantsuitism, it was historically oppressed specifically for pantsuitism, and when i say historically i mean centuries not decades, why exactly nobody knows enough to say "the jesuits will not replace us" ?
mircea_popescu: what, just gonna keep on with the jews forever ? there's other options!
phf: too obscure, though that would be an amusing thing to do. jesuit "protocols" on twitter, quotes and condemnations. it would be closer to an art project, than anything. "the who?"
mircea_popescu: except it's better substantiated in fact than the jew thing.
mircea_popescu: jesuits were shoah'd in venice once, 1600s, and THEN in france, portugal, the two sicilies etc in 1700s. this is moar than one piddly german interdict
mircea_popescu: what, just because that happened 3 and 400 years ago as opposed to 1900s ? what is this, the simple, child-like behaviour of the new world demographic ?
phf: ^
shinohai: Also, Malta and Spanish EMpire.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: phf but to be honest, i suspect the actual reason is that this'd be a first step on the road to indicting jesus. which is apt, jesus being the best first-line heuristic for idiocy you'll ever encounter.
shinohai: (It's pretty bad when Pope himself writes Dominus ac Redemptor to hate on your religious group)
mircea_popescu: it happens to also be the single most important thread connecting the self-same "alt right" with faith altogether, so this is problematic.
mircea_popescu: or should i say psychologically painful.
mircea_popescu: in other words, i dun think "obscure" is the problem. i think "not wanting to take a look inside" is the problem.
mircea_popescu: (note that the above deals with jesus, as the western conception, not with the thing thereby named altogether. christos, as ~same thing understood in the east, be it the greek pantokrator, the russian voskresie i guess, or various others is not nearly as problematic)
mircea_popescu: even exists in early anglo stuff, christ resurrector, christ almighty etc. though the vein exhausted itself readily and apparently without leaving much trace. i guess in the same way "everyone" knows of bedwetter's 1984 but nobody read point counterpoint, notwithstanding that huxley is the important kid in that class, not fucking blair.
phf: hmm
mircea_popescu: (the link, for the curious, is that in any other time than the present the above charles f. wilson would have been counted as a jesuit. both his stepping-stone and ultimate destination 2nd education institutions being -- jesuit.)
mircea_popescu: and in more domestic tranquility : a girl made bolognese, with fusili ; i made spicy paprika chicken, with penne rigate. there's now available A SELECTION of pasta leftovers for breakfast!
mircea_popescu: they go together great, too.
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what you mean by western conception of jesus (i'm vague on when the split happened, but yeah christos in slav countries and presumably in greek tradition has retained his "vsederzhitel" title, not so much in the west, but i can't imagine that the split happened in the 6th-8th century)
mircea_popescu: phf does christos love you ?
mircea_popescu: cuz you know, simple-minded ustard doesn't take nearly as long to answer that question.
phf: :)
phf: i'm not sure, but not in the way that phrase is cliche in english. god loves you, christ acts from inner great love. i'm not sure christ loves ~you~ as such
phf: russian conception of christ's love has always been "if my husband beats me, how do i still interpret his actions as love? -- well have you seen that special glint in his eyes!"
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking ploy with the new testament is not simply http://trilema.com/2017/why-god-has-died/#selection-111.0-129.119 but actually turning the heavenly father into the heavenly mother ; hence all the inept bs starting with all the mary worship in the loser south.
mircea_popescu: phf there's two fundamental roles for divinity in the life of man (unlike the matters discussed re resplenduminous, which are quite apart a third) : it's either momgod, give me a thing ; or else dadgod make me enjoy the thing i got.
mircea_popescu: and as it happens one of these works better than the other.
mircea_popescu: none of this, obviously, having to do with divinity in the slightest ; we're here discussing religion not theology.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the important point here being that the "progress" is actually a withdrawal ; from alhpabet to hieroglyphics, from christos to jesus, everywhere the sweet scent of senescent decay.
phf: right, i have similar impression, i thought there might be an event associated with it. i'd stick to the umberto ecco's idea that the transition happened sometime in the 14th century as a result of pantsuitization of catholic church
mircea_popescu: and what is your explanation of the cathars ?
mircea_popescu: the 14th century pantsuitization of the church resulted from the 14th century burning at the stake of the pantsuit enclave of toulouse.
mircea_popescu: look into how well the impregnable fortress was defended by those ninnies, and see in them the "hell no, we won't go" vietnam victrices.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, who shall say caedite eos, novit enim dominus eius for this century ?
mircea_popescu: to this very day teh episode does truly bother the pantsuit press. because here's the thing : whether alt-right knows or doesn't know there's such a thing as jesuit, the thing they know or don't know still is, and still works.
phf: right, come to think crusades and inquisition came later
mircea_popescu: cathars are starting around 1100s or so.
mircea_popescu: anyway. 1100 century vegans, they existed.
phf: right, inquisition is then 12th century, and crusades are over by 15th, reformation is 16th
mircea_popescu: the first crusade was in the 1090s
phf: i don't know enough about history of church to pin point modern day "jesus loves you" conception.
mircea_popescu: well, the fact that there existed a 12th century animalrights, gender-fluid community of idiots who failed miserably in the field excuses you from such a pinpoint.
mircea_popescu: pantsuitism is eternal, neglected cunt grows cobwebs, what.
mircea_popescu: and, then as now, actually competent women didn't think much of the whole crap sandwich.
mircea_popescu: !~google hildegard von bingen
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Hildegard of Bingen - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen>; Saint Hildegard of Bingen – Franciscan Media: <https://www.franciscanmedia.org/saint-hildegard-of-bingen/>; Hildegard of Bingen , Visionary: <http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/247.html>
mircea_popescu: ^ early noether, by any account.
phf: i sort of assumed from the paintings and the existence of such thing as thieves' cant, but at some point it was sort of like a mix between monthy python's holy grail and the life of brian. i.e. dirt digging communes, living somewhere on the periphery, espousing any kind of random interpretation of gospel. "christ the table throwers of the third denomination"
mircea_popescu: nah. carcassone was literally an impregnable fortress for the time. were it defended, even middlingly, it would never have fallen.
mircea_popescu: much like present day us.
phf: such us the tmsr darlings, knights templar
mircea_popescu: islands are indefensible by nature.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the moment is very much a french equiv of the us civil war. the north still won, same north, same terms.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720071 << some d00d sent'em in, oughta be in the l0gz☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 11:45 midnightmagic: Uh. asciilifeform? Can I ask you where you managed to dig up those old SKS keysets which predate the one I shared with you?
mircea_popescu: phf but leaving aside that the inquisition was invented in the first place to stamp out pantsuitism manifested as catharism from teh south of france (which it did do) : are you aware the first yellow star as a sartorial accessory was also introduced then ?
mircea_popescu: of course, then it was a cross. but anyway.
asciilifeform: and holy FUCK midnightmagic already 'embrace and extinguish ?' ol' corpse not even cold yet
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720073 << oh hey hey loox like mircea_popescu did that thread already, so i dun have to☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 12:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720072 << heh, the next day after http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719442 huh ? tell you what, wait until it's back on, then ignore the matter for a few years, then when it next is down or anything come back and ask that.
asciilifeform: !~later tell midnightmagic http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720099 << if you want to read, e.g., the phuctored page, i refreshed it on archive.is a few days ago. but if what you're aiming for is to embrace&extinguish phuctor itself, you're on yer own☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 12:40 midnightmagic: Hrm. I missed my chance to download the phuctor db snapshot.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720096 << brain-melter. but picture, if d00d had gotten his way, the collegism cost death rocket could have fired 30 yrs ago , instead of delaying the inevitable 'tothemoon'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 12:35 mircea_popescu: and in other ancient lulz, http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2058&context=bclr
mircea_popescu: no, he got his way.
mircea_popescu: quoted for being anodyne part of the trend, not some sort of solitary prophet.
asciilifeform: afaik in all 50 states no childsupportism past 18
mircea_popescu: orly.
asciilifeform: so in what sense he got his way ?
mircea_popescu: in the sense court will order you to support college kid.
asciilifeform: ianal but pretty sure that nope.
asciilifeform: ( pull one up ? )
phf: asciilifeform: there are definitely variations on college support
mircea_popescu: exact same item as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676200☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
mircea_popescu: "protected classes", ie usg-agencies doing "human services".
asciilifeform: no but can haz ? pull up a case where d00d jailed for not paying tuition for spawn
asciilifeform: it's a state apparatus, btw, rather than federal, and maintains a pretense of 'voluntary' ( i.e. d00d gotta manually sign cheques, and jailed if he 'forgets', rather than wage & property confiscation as seen in tax collection )
mircea_popescu: boston college, st catherine laboure hospital, all the same.
asciilifeform: that dun look like a case citation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://www.forbes.com/2007/02/13/divorce-kids-education-pf-estates-in_mb_0213money_inl.ht wouldja stop being ridiculous.
asciilifeform waits for subj to load...
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/JJE7b << 404
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: http://www.bestnewyorkdivorce.com/Long-Island-Divorce-Blog/2014/April/Father-Ordered-by-Court-to-Help-Pay-Childs-Colle.aspx any better ?
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hv6ke/?raw=true << googlecache has it
asciilifeform: hm apparently 'age of majority' still 21 in some states, which explains mircea_popescu's find
mircea_popescu: not at fucking all.
mircea_popescu: 1979 case, ringier divorce, introduced this nonsense.
asciilifeform: is there a record of, say, 30 y.o. 'eternal student' being 'childsupported' ?
mircea_popescu: it was recently thrown out as unconstitutional, but whatever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't get to move the goal posts. fact is, us courts have, throughout and since 1979, ordered divorced parents to pay for the rejected bitch's spawn to go to college as adults.
asciilifeform: but was this done using the childsupport bureaucracy apparatus, or the divorcetheft apparatus, is my q
mircea_popescu: i don't know the difference is factual, tbh.
asciilifeform: they are not separate from mircea_popescu's dirigible, but to the folx on the ground are very different items, with different types of spiked ends on the whips
mircea_popescu: i suspect this difference is made of the same substance as your knowledge of the matter prior.
asciilifeform: sorta like the diff b/w arrest by local cops and, e.g. fbi rendition
mircea_popescu: anyway. you can end up in jail for not paying the court-ordered kid's college, no question there.
asciilifeform: still would like to read a case involving somebody who ~did~ sit for it
mircea_popescu: so tell your paralegal.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: yes, adult male should have at least one paralegal living on the premises, what.
asciilifeform: i have a paralegal in the sense that she has an arc welder operator
asciilifeform: but hey whynot.
mircea_popescu: you know, this is the ONLY fucking benefit of living where you do. that you can put up a craigslist ad or whatever, "willing to feed and house paralegal, you will have to have nice tits and love the cock." and be swamped with takers.
asciilifeform: in related lulz, from ad sidebar in mircea_popescu's link : 'A. Gary Shilling says that parents can no longer depend on home equity loans to pay for crushing tuition costs. Click here for Shilling’s tips on how to profit and pay those tuition expenses.'
mircea_popescu: why pass on it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'all fun an' games' until new pet suddenly 'sprouts' 'rights'
asciilifeform: sorta what thread was even about, neh
mircea_popescu: eh get out of here.
asciilifeform: 'At The Meyers Law Group, P.C., we are pleased that we were able to help this college student and her mother get the support they deserved. ' << this paragraph verily smells of zyklon, lol
phf: formaldehyde with any luck
asciilifeform: very interesting find, mircea_popescu . i had monumentally nfi.
asciilifeform brb
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Good god, no. Not interested in embrace&extinguish. I've managed to capture the attention of Chief Lying Scumbag himself Craig Wright, and a secondary source of historical SKS would mean that I'm probably not lying when I tell people that fake-Satoshi's fake-keys *weren't* in the dataset as of February 2012.
midnightmagic: You'd told me after I uploaded the 4GB to you that you had an even earlier copy--and that's what I'm looking for. The phuctor dataset was something I saw you post a link to in the archive which Mircea kindly(?) suggested I look more closely at.
midnightmagic: In particular, I know that if I send people here to find old data, you people will tear them a new butthole, and so I hope to punish the disbelievers.
midnightmagic: So. I guess.. surprise! Phuctor is also useful for other things!
mircea_popescu: and to continue the lulz : "Equal protection challenges require a review of the statute allowing court-ordered support [for adult children of a failed marriage]. Neither strict scrutiny nor heightened scrutiny are required as these statutes do not create classes of people based on race, creed, color, gender, national origin or involve a fundamental right. These statutes create, instead, social and economic classifications, re
mircea_popescu: flecting people's marital status and assets. Consequently, courts only need to use rational basis review. Rational basis review, the most deferential review of legislative action, requires two steps. First, courts must determine whether these statutes attempt to promote any legitimate state interest or public value. If so, courts must determine whether the statuttes and classifications created are rationally related to accomp
mircea_popescu: lishing those interests. In other words, courts ask whether the statute does what it was written to do."
mircea_popescu: the important point here, as far as the latin-american "liberation theology" marxist reinterpretation, as typified in the latest (and first jesuit) pope is concerned is : that property is not a right.
mircea_popescu: let aside that property is the first, and only right that matters, for as long as i have property i will bring back all the other crap as needed ; whereas without property all the rest is entirely not worth the mention and we can really start calling each other tavarisch, there being no further need of any pretense in the vein of courts, or for that matter any other rationalisms.
mircea_popescu: "option for the poor", dontchaknow, first and foremost the option to pretend that they're not poor because they suck ; that the reason kid now needs to beg for college moneys ISN'T that his mother failed at her fucking job, that had she been a non-suck wife she wouldn't have the fucking problem in the first place and so on.
mircea_popescu: lettuce externalize all the costs into a large ball and gift it to jesus! that's why we created jesus for in the first place innit!
shinohai: "The US has expelled 15 Cuban diplomats, saying Havana failed to protect US diplomats from mysterious acoustic attacks." <<< moar Cuban/US lulz
mircea_popescu: why not just play the 2017 pop top 100 at them ?
mircea_popescu: despacito, como lo hacen en puerto rico.
mircea_popescu: http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/10/02/maria_pr_valentin_174-edit_custom-f275d99951f15887c1203460561e282620cf2247-s800-c85.jpg picrelated.jpg
asciilifeform: shinohai: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718377 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 20:08 asciilifeform: in other idiocies, https://archive.is/zI6Xm >> '... mysterious attacks that left diplomats with hearing damage and brain injuries, the State Department announced...' << somebody lock'em up in schizo ward, like they do to their victims back home, per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548698
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720250 << midnightmagic when phuctor comes back you are welcome to search for keys, e.g., by fp, and see. i'm not sure what that gives you, though, re arguments re historical existence or nonexistence of some derp's key, he can always retort 'you deliberately lost it', etc☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 15:11 midnightmagic: You'd told me after I uploaded the 4GB to you that you had an even earlier copy--and that's what I'm looking for. The phuctor dataset was something I saw you post a link to in the archive which Mircea kindly(?) suggested I look more closely at.
asciilifeform: there is no such thing as an opposable nonexistence proof for a bitstring
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720255 << lol!! 'dun ask whether this is a crock of shit, You Will Have Problems, instead ask whether fuhrer's decrees are being correctly carried out' >> and see also oblig. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-28#812963 .☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 15:35 mircea_popescu: lishing those interests. In other words, courts ask whether the statute does what it was written to do."
a111: Logged on 2014-08-28 02:09 asciilifeform: the book is quite like the 'rule of law is a myth' piece (http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm - linked here a few times) except that katz hasn't let go of his religion yet
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720258 << whole ameri-edifice, from alimony to divorcetheft to childsupportism to harassmentism etc -- is specifically about handing out to the wives 'the freedom' to pantsuit. 'giving the wolf a spear' or what was the expression on mircea_popescu's planet.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 15:39 mircea_popescu: "option for the poor", dontchaknow, first and foremost the option to pretend that they're not poor because they suck ; that the reason kid now needs to beg for college moneys ISN'T that his mother failed at her fucking job, that had she been a non-suck wife she wouldn't have the fucking problem in the first place and so on.
asciilifeform: 'not bug -- feature'.
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Correct. However, if the data comes from, e.g. MIT server hosting, or if it comes from one of the SKS key server operators, then that's enough. I can point at that and say "look, more data that says the same thing."
midnightmagic: Data which comes directly from me could just be edited. There is less chance that I am also an MIT sysop or whatever.
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: so go and search mit's sks , why ask here.
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: how would asciilifeform searching some item in his collection that isn't in mit's current one, help your arguments with whomever ?
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: I was hoping you would just tell me where you got the earlier dataset, so I can also go there.
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: The earlier dataset would just be evidence I didn't randomly edit mine, and thus prove that buddy probably didn't upload his key into the SKS set before that date. (Since SKS key server ops won't delete keys.)
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: i do indeed have a 5G dump, mailed in by somebody with handle of 'goat', on oct 20 2013. it was among the first items fed into phuctor.
asciilifeform: it is not afaik publicly hosted anywhere else.
trinque: midnightmagic: when you gather all this proof and various washington posts are still running articles about hoaxatoshi (or the next), might ask yourself why.
asciilifeform: ^
trinque: maybe you end up burning some fuel and shaving a few years off your orbit of the republic. who knows
asciilifeform: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718422☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 23:46 mircea_popescu: somehow, and i have yuet to pierce this mystery, people on the side of pantsuit always assume they own the world, natively. whereas people on the side of the republic, at least verbally, always assume the opposite, and start derping about how i've to prove shit and so on.
asciilifeform: !#s teaching the controversy
a111: 17 results for "teaching the controversy", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=teaching%20the%20controversy
asciilifeform: midnightmagic are you aware of ^ term of art ?
asciilifeform: what the scammer specifically wants, is to put on you, somehow, the burden of searching for proof that he is a fraud. and when you fail to meet the arbitrary standard ( he will move it , as required ) , and you will, he ends up with free pr and 'legitimacy' etc
asciilifeform: don't feed the birds.
asciilifeform: see also canonical http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience .
midnightmagic: "goat". doh. Okay. I wonder if that's Chaang-Noi. What the heck is he doing with the SKS keyset..
asciilifeform: dun think it is the same one.
asciilifeform: was some fella from comments on schneier's blog iirc.
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: That's helpful. Thank you. \o
midnightmagic: trinque: Yea. Yeah, pretty much.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719603 << to briefly revisit, i am broadly unconvinced the nashville vs new york tin pan alley dispute is more than two flavours of matriarchy battling it out.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 16:56 asciilifeform: 'country'
mircea_popescu: basically, it's southern queenie, aka dependopotamus, dedicated to sensual pursuits such as being fat and chugging coors vs the nothern jap, aka pantsuited hilarity, the fonda line, whatever, dedicated to intellectual pursuits such as being appreciated.
asciilifeform: there isn't a patriarchical sparta or whatever hidden somewhere in that box, no.
mircea_popescu: yes "country is 90% male singers", but this don't figure much into anything. there exists the direct equivalent of the northern pure cuck, as typified by say the charles wilson muppet above in the south : a brawny, silent, "strong" type, the competent 50 yo male slave of various trilema aparitions.
mircea_popescu: the dood that thinks he can't hit a woman, for instance. and assorted other bars in his equivalent cock cage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this latter type crews, e.g., usg's army, dies for http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244654 motherland☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
asciilifeform: ( and after cashiered from army, goes immediately to work in police , or -- if ambitions -- in fed 'law' enforcements etc )
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: the ones no longer fit to ( or inclined to ) do wetwork, incidentally, still typically go on to desk federasties of various sorts
asciilifeform: ( they are hired preferentially )
mircea_popescu: heck, they make lifetime slaves too, the sort that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702083☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 16:59 mircea_popescu: the point is not without merit, though. ~all the competent, at artisan level, males, the dudes working leather and metal and wood and whatnot ~competently~ are virtually all 50 yo doods with very much a slave mentality.
asciilifeform: mostly slaves for inca.
mircea_popescu: for whoever makes some sense. please, someone. \
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720283 << no, that's ok, he'll just come here now and again and say some words, it's all good.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 16:26 trinque: midnightmagic: when you gather all this proof and various washington posts are still running articles about hoaxatoshi (or the next), might ask yourself why.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom is just so much poppycock!
asciilifeform: meanwhile ( expert entomologists only ! ) in breathtaking idiocies, https://archive.is/BLndG << anything, ANYTHING but fit-in-head!11
trinque: switch to trilema buffer, boom! weechat crash.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was because i said @ you
asciilifeform: trinque: recall https://dl.packetstormsecurity.net/1704-advisories/dsa-3836-1.txt ?
asciilifeform: where there is 1 cockroach, there is 11.
trinque: yep, I hold the thing at arm's length
mircea_popescu: "There were six hours during the night of April 10, 2014, when the entire population of Washington State had no 911 service." << vorwarts!
mircea_popescu: "For the first time, there could be such a thing as a national 911 outage. There have now been four in as many years."
mircea_popescu: and then they wanna argue.
asciilifeform: gotta love the socialistoid bent of such articles : when, e.g., police dispatcher goes down, or self-driving coffins , whatevers, mega-disaster; but microshit's crafted prevention of civilized comp as a class, is business as usual and a-ok
asciilifeform: ( as pictured in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1719 etc )
mircea_popescu: the whole ourdemocracy approach is to never see anything but surfaces.
mircea_popescu: there must be no depth to the world.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in very other olds, asciilifeform bites at his elbows, one of his coffinnotebook ideas, turns out , was in fact made long ago :
asciilifeform: 'We built a true alternating current (a.c.) battery that periodically reverses value and sign of its electromotive force (e.m.f.). This a.c. battery is an electrochemical concentration cell that consists of two coupled half cells in which identical oscillating Belousov-Zhabotinskii (BZ) reactions take place isothermally at 28.0°. The homogeneous BZ oscillations are phase shifted in order to create a potential difference between both
asciilifeform: half cells. With an increasing load the phase shift between the two half cells decreases (i.e. both oscillations tend to synchronize), consequently the amplitude of the alternating current decreases while the amplitudes of the individual BZ-oscillators remain unaffected. '
asciilifeform: Friedemaan W. Schneider, Marcus J. B. Hauser, Joachim Reising ; Berichte der Bunsengesellschaft für physikalische Chemie , january 1993 .
mircea_popescu: ha
asciilifeform: https://sci-hub.cc/http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bbpc.19930970111 << 1333337w4r3z (pdf!) for aficionados.
asciilifeform: i actually considered own variant of this for 'chemical rng' , but realized that it is screamingly impractical
asciilifeform: !#s bz reaction
a111: 1 result for "bz reaction", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bz%20reaction
asciilifeform: hm could've sworn there was an entire thread...
asciilifeform: '... Thus it should also be possible to construct, for example, a chaos-battery. Such work is in progress. '
asciilifeform: !~google chaos battery
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory Walkthrough - Battery - Visual ...: <http://www.visualwalkthroughs.com/splintercell/chaostheory/battery/battery.htm>; Longues-sur-Mer battery - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longues-sur-Mer_battery>; Swerdmurd - Chaos Battery - Listen on Deezer: <http://www.deezer.com/us/track/110016552>
asciilifeform: evidently came to 0.
asciilifeform: originally asciilifeform's interest in subj, will confess, was re 'uncopyable otp'.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. can you make a matched pair of otp such that 1) output is cryptoentropic 2) can only leave the device at particular baud rate , no matter what is done to it ? )
asciilifeform: i.e. an otp that is intrinsically safe to transport.
mircea_popescu: in so many words, no.
asciilifeform: why so sure
mircea_popescu: cuz it's patently a nonphysical object, what. seriously, fixed future ?
asciilifeform: all you need is a physical process that is 1) repeatable, in that you can birth a matched pair of'em 2) cannot be substantially sped up
mircea_popescu: not so.
asciilifeform: hm?
mircea_popescu: your original wanted unrewindability, also.
mircea_popescu: 1. unique ; 2. repeatable ; 3. unalterable (but 4. copyable)
mircea_popescu: that's two mutually exclusive demands in one package.
asciilifeform: i dun see why unrewindable. 'can't speed up' means enemy has nothing to rewind.
asciilifeform: he gets 5 min alone with your parcel, all he sees is 5 min. of output.
mircea_popescu: you make otp 1 and 2, and send 2 to china. i take 2 and make 3 and 4, pass off 3 as 2 and keep 4.
asciilifeform: 'make 3 and 4' means you got it to shit bits at > the specified rate.
asciilifeform: ( in the case of a typical recording medium -- all at once )
mircea_popescu: no, it just means i copied it, thro9ugh the exact process you used to create the two in the first place.
asciilifeform: if you can do that, you've definitionally departed from my #2
asciilifeform: to reformulate -- is it possible to create an intrinsically nonrandomaccess 'slow tape'.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: starmap is such a one.
asciilifeform: dun make for crypto, though, for obvious reason
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: may as easily say 'stock market'
mircea_popescu: or in other words, your design is nonsense. it demands mutually exclusive properties.
asciilifeform: yer postulating the conclusion.
asciilifeform: naughty.
asciilifeform: whole q is whether they are contradictory. i say not.
mircea_popescu: no. either it's "slow tape nonrandom access" or else it's "alf gets to fuck with it"
mircea_popescu: there's no way to have alf nominated personally in the workings of physics, and thereby have a tape alf and alf alone can fuck with
mircea_popescu: until he ascends, at least.
asciilifeform: to demonstrate, here's a design for an object that meets the described spec , if p!=np :
mircea_popescu: now this is interesting
asciilifeform: consists of 1) an ordinary, trivially copied otp, e.g. a hdd full of fuckgoatsolade ;
asciilifeform: 2 ) a mechanism similar to bitcoin's sha2 pow, where it grinds out a collision , the number of ticks that it took, xor'd with pad loc i, then next i+1 , .... , until pad runs out.
asciilifeform: now let's picture, enemy captures the box.
mircea_popescu: there are no ticks irl.
asciilifeform: he makes an exact copy.
asciilifeform: 'ticks' meaning how many increments of nonce here.
mircea_popescu: alright.
asciilifeform: now if we can put a bound on the enemy's advantage in calculating the (nonparallelizable, note, it should be clear why ) output -- we have the item.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. so you get hdd 1, make 5 copies, i capture one, start grinding it into an otp. so do you. if my computer is 10% faster i'll have the i+1 10% faster than you will.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is so safe about this ?
asciilifeform: it only becomes interesting if we can turn the 10 to a 0.
asciilifeform: it is not necessarily impossible to do this.
mircea_popescu: but your original claim, that "to demonstrate, here's a design for an object that meets the described spec , if p!=np :", crumbled under scrutiny.
asciilifeform: i disagree that it crumbles : if you were to find a nonparallelizable trapdoor that no one is likely to outrun you in computing -- you have the item.
mircea_popescu: and if all men were the same height how would women choose.
asciilifeform: there does exist such a thing as a physical limit.
mircea_popescu: and in other sweet little nothings, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e03a8bb64ed31e87aecdd2c8772eaecf/tumblr_nmb17do3dm1tw52ilo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: lolswordswallower
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 90s a lot dumber than originally thought, in the us. << Pantsuit was president. Bill just sorta decoration to quiet the rednecks
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-488152.txt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another hypothetical 'near solution' would be a well-boobytrapped package containing remanence-free ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656777 scheme ) sram with otp☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 01:51 asciilifeform: if i were drawing up such a thing, i'd even have the sram work in such a way that 10 is a 1 on odd clock cycles, 0 on even
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and since we're doing amusings -- i wonder why exactly hasn't the "alt right" picked up on JESUIT heritage to bitch and whine about ? it's just about the core of modern pantsuitism, it was historically oppressed specifically for pantsuitism, and when i say historically i mean centuries not decades, why exactly nobody knows enough to say "the jesuits will not replace us" ? << The Return of Kink thing has done some jesuit
BingoBoingo: criticism, dunno how far it's going to go
asciilifeform: for sake of argument, pour it (+ power source) into glass globe. if package detects that temp is too far from room, or that the globe got smaller in any axis ( e.g. internal refraction will change ) -- blows the sram.
asciilifeform: if operating normally, however -- pisses out, say, byte/sec optically through glass.
asciilifeform: note that these 'tanks' do not have to be impregnable, in order to work. if the enemy has a 1 in 10 chance of breaking it -- send a crate with 100 and xor'em. for so long as it is easier for you to make'em than for him to crack'em, by a wide margin, he is fucked
asciilifeform: if he fails to silently break even ~one~, you have a working otp !
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in the sense court will order you to support college kid. << Fambly court will
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it may surprise you to know that i've no bear traps laying about the house ; not even in dungeon.
mircea_popescu: it's an intrinsically unsafe thing, this boobytrap bs.
asciilifeform: not the detonating sort of trap, but the key-wipin' sort
mircea_popescu: that';d be better.
asciilifeform: that's what i specified, thought it was obvious.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a hey, so not completely clueless then. good to know.
phf: i believe we had a booby trap thread, about putting grenades into those reinforced 90s doors
mircea_popescu: "does this boob implant come in black and also smokeless powder variants ???"
asciilifeform: phf: not only schematic above dun explode, but ideally it would not even zero key, but rngize, so enemy has nfi whether trap sprung or not
mircea_popescu: this'd be a helluva device, incidentally, for teh wife bimbofication process. "congrats on your new 1150 ml funbags hon, and remember, if they detect the wrong hand..."
asciilifeform: lol! as pictured in that story aha
phf: asciilifeform: that i figured out, the whole contraption reminds me of that ru anti-temper device pdf that you posted recently
mircea_popescu: 500ml of powder should make a decent hole / tear an arm off.
asciilifeform: phf: lose-key-if-tampered is only practical with remanence-free sram. which afaik exists only here in the l0gz and nowhere else.
asciilifeform: so there is no state of the art.
mircea_popescu: moreover, what's to keep your glass ball from rowhammer.
asciilifeform: um the fact that enemy can't address it ?
asciilifeform: it pisses bits one by one, take no input.
asciilifeform: *takes
mircea_popescu: but it still consists of electric charge geometrically arranged.
asciilifeform: the addressing sequence is fixed. can't rearrange the circuit without busting the physical package.
mircea_popescu: well, first step to instrumentation is modelling it on your own whiteboard.
asciilifeform: btw rowhammer dun apply to sram.
asciilifeform: intrinsically.
asciilifeform: ( enemy still dun get to address it, because that's the whole point of the glass, to make the 'you get 1 bit at a time' thing happen )
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, anyone familiar with the early anti-pot hearst smear campaigns ? (1930s). it's a long string of, basically, "do you want your daugther sucking mexican cock ? and corrupting her sister to participate in wild orgies? ?!?! !!?!?!? "
asciilifeform: 'reefer madness' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: aha.
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X82zLM0oUY << featuring kristen bell in leather
ben_vulpes: no tits, tho iirc
mircea_popescu: the sad macula of modernity is that even liz taylor's tits seem small.
ben_vulpes: (also starring steven weber, who also starred in the never-spoken-about-again pilot of 'being bin laden' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5o8jYNBORU )
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : reflections in a golden eye feature the harlot a) naked b) talking hardcore bdsm with an even more potato-y than usual brando and c) engaging in some public caning
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is fucking hysterical.
mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719082 here we encounter the example : https://elaineou.com/2014/06/04/google-shopping-express-and-the-future-of-on-demand-delivery/☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 04:20 elaineo: as a resident of the SF bay area, i appreciate all the VC-subsidized free shit
mircea_popescu: money shot : "Because my order came from nine different stores, eight separate vehicles showed up at our offices. Only eight, because my Teriyaki Yakisoba from Smart & Final was canceled from the SF order: Out of Stock in Daly City. I received that same item in my Mountain View order, because it was still in stock in San Mateo. Not a single cracker was broken!Not a single cracker was broken! In SF, three drivers showed up one
mircea_popescu: at a time with our chips, crackers, and ramen, over a span of 4 hours. I received an email saying my Monster Energy Drink had been delivered, but nobody had shown up with it. I sent an email inquiry."
mircea_popescu: fucking imagine this, eight cars showing up to bring you individually wrapped cheezits.
asciilifeform: old hat, asciilifeform routinely orders single screws, nuts, on lolazon etc
asciilifeform: they show up next day's lunch.
mircea_popescu: i can already smell the steak. it will be beef, corn on the cobb, a bottle of fine wine and mushroom sauce.
asciilifeform: ( often in, yes, separate couriers. why -- is mystery )
mircea_popescu: if these were delivered individually by as many cars i'd be shooting someone.
mircea_popescu: terrifyingly inconvenient way to live wtf.
asciilifeform: vs what, vs having servant fetch whole thing for you and serve on silver tray ?
asciilifeform: yes inconvenient
asciilifeform: vs doing it with own hands -- convenient.
mircea_popescu: if i actually needed so many different kinds of screws as to make keeping stocks untenable i'd review the whole process and take out some screw types.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's wrong with just buying a pallet of new england original oyster flavoured crackers ?
asciilifeform: the only way to optimize a ~research~ conveyor, rather than production, is to simply stock massive qty of everything under the sun
asciilifeform: which is what asciilifeform more or less tends to do.
asciilifeform: but the house ain't infinite.
mircea_popescu: no research is involved in any of this. FMCG, 100% of it.
mircea_popescu: blue diamond roasted almonds.
asciilifeform: example. recently asciilifeform needed a cr1220 battery. they keep - theoretically - for decade on shelf. in practice, few yrs ( chinese ). 0 source of these within a day's drive . so ordered, and next day it was in.
asciilifeform: what part of this is optimizable ?
asciilifeform: 'don't keep machinery that wants 1220 ' lol goodluck
asciilifeform: not everything is fungible, esp if budget is made of something other than rubber
asciilifeform: the instrument you have is the one you have, and it wants a 1220 batt. nao wat.
mod6 orders twinkie
asciilifeform: and yes lolazon et al are in business because folx order twinkies, not because asciilifeform orders cr1220.
asciilifeform: ( i suspect this is an exact rerun of the ebay thread, so i'll stop here for nao )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rather.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, as a long term customer maybe worth your while to write heartfelt letter to jdw character ?
asciilifeform: and iirc we also had thread re how crapple is not in business because asciilifeform reads trb coad and 1970s 'химия и жизнь' on a crappad
mircea_popescu: it's hard to deny the community of goals, and dood's been doing this since bbs days
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly. 1st i gotta figure out whether i already did this, lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you suppose i should say to him ?
mircea_popescu: ~only pill, dubious as it is, against the "and it will" part of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720015☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 03:06 asciilifeform: when it finally rots to unusability -- and it will -- it will be an epic sad to asciilifeform .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that look there's this tmsr thing and why isn't he in there and look how well his things fit to our things.
asciilifeform puts this item on conveyor.
asciilifeform: speaking of olden days, whatever happened to the anon.penet.fi d00d ?
asciilifeform: after, i mean, his thrashing by usg
asciilifeform: where did this 'community of goals' go. the one from those days.
asciilifeform: or, take more recent : where is ladar levison ?
asciilifeform: ...they sank into a bog? really, all of'em ??
asciilifeform: http://www.xent.com/FoRK-archive/fall96/0092.html << 1 often-forgotten detail re penet
asciilifeform: !~google Johan Helsingius
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Johan Helsingius - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Helsingius>; Anonymously Yours- An Interview with Johan Helsingius . | WIRED: <https://www.wired.com/1994/06/anonymous-1/>; Johan 'Julf' Helsingius Appointed as Chairman of BaseN's Board of ...: <http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/johan-julf-helsingius-appointed-as-chairman-of-basens-board-of-directors-580792341.ht
asciilifeform: 'BaseN, Global IoT Operator, is delighted to announce the appointment of Mr. Johan Helsingius as the new Chairman of the Board of Directors as of May 23, 2016. He has served as a board member since 2002. Johan Helsingius founded the first major commercial ISP in Finland, EUnet, and co-founded the first pan-European ISP, EUnet International. He held the position of Executive Vice President and Chief Technology Officer at largest pan-E
asciilifeform: uropean IP Carrier KPNQwest. He has received the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Pioneer Award...'
asciilifeform: 'BaseN, established in 2001, is the inherently scalable computing Platform for hosting billions of spimes, the core objects of the Internet of Things'
asciilifeform: sad.
asciilifeform: zimmermanned.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ...they sank into a bog? really, all of'em ?? << yeah ; meanwhile "uber is worth 100 bn". because why ? it's still the same shitty groupon of no margins in a rtight market as it was back when the principals were stealing cereal from supermarkets and people said https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/uber0.png
mircea_popescu: what, the loud nonsense of http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/#selection-159.66-159.71 and well-placed spammers/fraudsters like http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ changed something ?
mircea_popescu: no, "those" "sank into swamp" whereas every last hoaxtoshi, ripple, women's rights and black lives matter is "worth" all the moneyz.
mircea_popescu: problem ?
mircea_popescu: again and again it goes back to that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719978 ; for as long as you read beobachter it will be a case that groupon is a great victory of socialism and nobody heard of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-27#811981☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:43 mircea_popescu: iirc this was even broken on ro trilema at some ancient point, to usual chorus of "but what proof do you have this proof you have is proofing" and other theguardianisms.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-27 05:22 mircea_popescu: vaununu doesn'tr get nearly enough airplay. imo he's the most important jew to have ever been produced by israel.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in grainy black-and-white teenage interest, http://78.media.tumblr.com/38ddc93cb51ebedb94df8d46d637847f/tumblr_nqmypnYnWn1u3sqw6o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, "That’s not very nice. Studies have shown that female leaders are less ego-driven and more risk-averse than men. So a woman-led corporation may be less likely to take over the world, but also less likely to go the way of Enron."
asciilifeform: the way of yahoo
mircea_popescu: EXCEPT, of course, that those "studies" were done on sophomoric psychology students from cheapo colleges, who were told to pretend they're leaders. except they're ~actually~ housewives, and only there for exactly the reason described in https://elaineou.com/2014/06/16/100-percent-men/
mircea_popescu: as it turnsd out this is instinctual female behaviour, seeing how it's equally in the mind of egyptian subsistence nobodies and chinese immigrant to us.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile as alf actually points out, whenever one makes the mistake of promoting female to irl leadership position, the result is overambitious ineptitude as perhaps best depicted by https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6134/5978837887_1b76b0e92e_b.jpg
mircea_popescu: pro tip : guess what the mousy walflower with no tits and 0 sexual market value did with her life ?