assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00098563 = 16.6079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18239 @ 0.00098748 = 18.0106 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.67000004 = 6.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9473 @ 0.0009999 = 9.4721 BTC [+]
autotradefan: What do you think about AUTOTRADE on cryptostocks?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08999999 = 0.18 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: The dogecoin subreddit raised $30,000 for the Jamaican bobsled team to go to the Olympics. : bestof
kakobrekla: at least they didnt support fbsd or something.
mircea_popescu: so openbsd went from being in the red to 100k overnight huh. cool beans.
KRS1: Many thanks mircea_popescu, much appreciated. =]
KRS1: i dont know the details ok
KRS1: i didnt know Rev. Chris Capuccio was a big contributor. I was a customer of his 15-20 yrs ago for a while.
mircea_popescu: turns out openbsd really is quite popular in all the places that aren't social media.
KRS1: Chris helped me get on board with openssh very early on and I haven't looked back since.
KRS1: At the time I was still using SunOS.
benkay: "we won't be one-upped by some no-brand bitcoiner!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00099321 = 11.124 BTC [-]
benkay: wow mpoe rallying hard
mircea_popescu: i like all the "no way there is a bitcoin billionaire, brb let me push the stock up"
benkay: all the 'analysts': 'well mp notionally has some nK BTC' and conveniently disregard mpoe holdings
benkay: s/conveniently disregard/have no idea 'cause derp
KRS1: I think sunOS got brought in by some open sourcers who stripped the licensed shit.
KRS1: such little support for it made it crapware imo
mircea_popescu: the way internet analysticing works is like this : the sun rises. up until noon, hail of posts explaining how it's the moon, the aliens, the weather baloons
mircea_popescu: after noon, hail of post explaining how the author has been always [or at least past six hours] saying the sun was always there and it won't ever set, either.
pankkake: accounting for shares probably bothers some as most of theirs are crap/scams/lost
mircea_popescu: that may be a point, i suppose a good chunk of people hanging on past the three month noob expiration date do so strictly on the basis of insulating their thinking and their memory.
pankkake: but that would be fun to have stats like the forbes top100… I bet you'd see a lot of ups and downs
mircea_popescu: the glbse & successors numbers were pretty fabulous, back in the day someone still thought it's funny
pankkake: it's not focused on people's holdings
mircea_popescu: "A lot of people on the Bitcointalk forums have made educated guesses, the fact is he still works on his business and charges for subscription to his blog, I doubt he has amassed the largest stash of Bitcoins in the world."
benkay: mircea_popescu u don't work
pankkake: yes, bill gates probably isn't a billionnaire
mircea_popescu: there should be a special department of ibiza, aruba and whatever, attached to the irs.
mircea_popescu: if your tax return exceed the official "has made it figure", they send you your moving papers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05300001 = 0.212 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: OpenIndinia is the open source fork of Solaris, but Solaris is still maintained by Oracle, as closed source
benkay: videos have the worst s/n ratio on the internet
benkay: well reddit may be worse
decimation: "it is a mistake to anthropromorphize larry ellison"
benkay: wow whole table is lolling, decimation
benkay: oh god it's an hour long
benkay: keep the quotes coming!
KRS1: mircea_popescu- yes solaris
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.0498 = 0.498 BTC [-] {6}
KRS1: even though it was rebranded login still looked like:
KRS1: Sun's CDE looked like something from Fisher Price
mircea_popescu: i suppose since everyone linked my twitter i should fish out a password for that account huh
pankkake: a bit like altcoins, they often miss Bitcoins to rename
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.04137842 = 0.3724 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: The upshot of the video is that the smart kernel developers working for Sun spent years arranging to open source the entire codebase
decimation: when Oracle bought them, Larry promptly closed everything. The stuff that had already been open (under the Sun Community License) remained in the open.
decimation: The "illumos" project picked it up and made it work, "openindiana" is a distribution based on that
decimation: I guess if you want a working implementation of zfs, that's what you need to use
Diablo-D3: decimation: and you're also still wrong
KRS1: imp the fruits of the open source efforts was derpy
Diablo-D3: the zfs on linux project uses the same source code as illumos
Diablo-D3: they all joined together to fork zfs away from oracle, since oracle is making changes just to be incompatible not to be useful
decimation: Redhat has released 'btrfs' in its 7.0 beta release
decimation: I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole
Diablo-D3: I actually switched to btrfs from zfs
decimation: I guess. I'm not sure it's ready for production
pankkake: I like btrfs' smart compression system; if the file doesn't look compressible it stops trying
Diablo-D3: it is, it just depends entirely what features you need
Diablo-D3: pankkake: which is stupid because lz4 already does that
decimation: at 35:15 "What you think of Oracle is even 'truer' than you think it is."
pankkake: well lz4 wasn't an option when it was introduced
Diablo-D3: pankkake: it STILL doesnt have lz4
Diablo-D3: lz4 is faster than btrfs + early fail
pankkake: oh right, patches exists but not merged or something
Diablo-D3: btrfs also lacks built in ssd caching support
Diablo-D3: it also doesnt support high complexity arrays
decimation: "There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle."
pankkake: I guess you can use bcache with it
Diablo-D3: decimation: false. the roman empire.
Diablo-D3: pankkake: yes, and I can also use mdcrypt, but thats fucktarded
mircea_popescu: this log will be useful the next time the clueless start-up ceo knowitall starts namedropping tech stuff.
Diablo-D3: pankkake: the whole point of using zfs is that this stuff is built in the correct way
Diablo-D3: even if its not compatible with oracle's impl
pankkake: it's not on freebsd either right?
Diablo-D3: because I simply dont give a fuck about oracle's impl, its no longer compatible with zfs
Diablo-D3: zfs is more than just code, its a standardization
Diablo-D3: oracle refuses to add to the spec their changes
Diablo-D3: so they've been locked out of zfs development
Diablo-D3: pankkake: fbsd uses the same zfs code as everyone else
decimation: "Larry Ellison has been involved with two philanthropic organizations: first he made a 500 or 300 million dollar donation to Stanford. Oh, that sounds good. ... in exchange for not admitting wrongdoing in an options backdating scandal"
pankkake: eh… I wonder which is the most popular zfs OS now
Diablo-D3: most solaris shops are dying out and switching to linux
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 16 @ 0.035 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: "and then, all other philanthropic work is to Larry Ellison's Institute for the Prolonging Of Life ... namely his"
pankkake: even when freebsd offers more "official" support?
Diablo-D3: its maintained by that zfs organization Im forgetting the name of
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00099321 = 7.6477 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: the one that was jointly started by ZoL, fbsd zfs, and illumos
pankkake: so not so much duplicated work
Diablo-D3: exactly, and also for compatibility
Diablo-D3: only solaris is no longer compatible with zfs
decimation: Diablo, is there a relationship between those people and the btrfs people?
Diablo-D3: which is ironic seeing as zfs started on solaris
Diablo-D3: decimation: btrfs was started by oracle to kill zfs
Diablo-D3: and tried to merge the btrfs and zfs teams
pankkake: "sun had a political model like somalia"
Diablo-D3: oracle has an internal solaris version that can natively boot btrfs and supports all the solarisy zfs shit on btrfs
Diablo-D3: like, solaris containers running on a btrfs snapshot, etc
Diablo-D3: and can live convert low complexity zfs (ie, no features btrfs doesnt support) pools to btrfs
Diablo-D3: and all their btrfs people left to other companies
decimation: I donno. I think the Google model has shown that's it's probably better to run many dedicated servers and do your file redundancy/synchronization at the application layer.
benkay: decimation: what's the timestamp for the options-backdating thinger?
benkay: mircea_popescu decimation: can either of you help me source the donation to stanford claim?
decimation: according to his wikipedia page it appears it was part of a settlement of some kind
benkay: corruption is what people without access to the levers of power call access to the lever of powers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00099321 = 15.0471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00099327 = 33.8705 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: speaking of the ruination that fiat finance brings to everything, here's Philip Greenspun on prices back in in the 1890's
ozbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Prices back in the old days
decimation: ?In 1890, professors salaries [at Amherst College] were $ 2,500, more than twenty times tuition. The step up from laborer to professor was immense, for the average wage earner in 1890 earned $425 a year. ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yes. obvious stuff like "the us was made great BY inequality and was rendered pitiful BY equality"
decimation: Hugh Hendry has made the point that China is screwed because its industrialization is taking place under a fiat regime, wheras the US was industrialized under a more-or-less gold standard
decimation: His thesis is that this has led to massive overproduction by China to game the large aggregate economic figures
mircea_popescu: ie, you can never get rich under a fiat system, all you can do is become poor. it's at least the consensus of pre-fiat economists everywhere.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.67000041 = 3.35 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: five minutes ago i didn't even know that site existed. oh internets.
decimation: LoL. Would you consider yourself to be libertarian, Mircea?
mircea_popescu: decimation that'd depend. i'm not a us citizen, so perhaps is like asking me if i'm a christian democrat
mircea_popescu: pankkake so logically, if bitcoin isn't money and it's bad to make money with money, then bitcoin is good ?
pankkake: that wasn't in the same argument, but well
decimation: Yeah. In the US, "libertarian" means "someone who doesn't vote for either Democrats or Republicans."
mircea_popescu: pankkake i kinda liked the guy with the "funny how openbsd elec bill is paid by the result of bitcoin mining"
decimation: It's probably only a matter of time until US citizenship is bestowed upon everyone who is a citizen of the "international community"
mircea_popescu: that matter of time will have to wait for after i'm dead.
KRS1: lol <nostrich> ppl saying their wallets are empty on cryptsy now omg
decimation: it would be hilarious if people are stealing dogecoin
KRS1: yes, it is still shit.
pankkake: why wouldn't it, they have billions of altcoins there
pankkake: as long as altcoins will be a thing…
ozbot: Dogecoin Hacker Makes Off With $13,000
KRS1: thats like stealing pennis..why not take the good stuff.
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripples Litecoin Peercoin Nxt MasterCoin DogeCoin N
KRS1: enough shit it becomes maneur..enough maneur becomes fertilizer...someone will pay for a lot of crap.
KRS1: cant wait to hear stories of the bagholders
ozbot: [Research Study] Your First Crypto Coin
mircea_popescu: it couldn't have possibly mined 8mn in the 6 weeks it was alive
quellhorst: As of January 13, 2014, 28% of the 100 billion total dogecoins have been mined
pankkake: and theres at least 3× more active
pankkake: just one, but people are still mining it
mircea_popescu: wait. the claim is that doge mkt cap > 2x ltc mkt cap ?
ozbot: Golden parachute for fired Yahoo executive may be record breaker - Jan. 17, 2014
pankkake: bernankoin claims it though, since there has been one transaction at 1BEK=1USD
quellhorst: yahoo should have sold to microsoft :(
quellhorst: eventually people will figure she is also the wrong person for the job
mircea_popescu: i don't know there's any coo willing to work at yahoo, unless you end up taking twitter experts or something
knotwork: I think I might finally have a usable idea for something to float as an asset.
decimation: I wonder how many people automatically invest in Yahoo every week by virtue of their listing on the S&P 500
knotwork: For half a million Canadian or less I can get an ex military base with full backup power and surveillance and electric alarms fence and keypad operated gates and 60ft or so sattelite dish (the kind inside a geodesic dome with tracking engines etc to track a satelite)
knotwork: four crew quarters for live in crew, full raised floors etc etc for all computer rooms, and on and on like that
knotwork: Or less, yes. I was supposed to sell for 500k CAD but financing of the buyer fell through
quellhorst: mircea_popescu: you sell the damn company
knotwork: Near Wentworth in Nova Scotia, ex NATO site
quellhorst: but of course she won't do that, she thinks she can make a better google
knotwork: Only 4.5 acres not like an army base wit barracks
quellhorst: she basically got demoted at google before the yahoo job
knotwork: It does sound like an idea evil lair thats why I thought it might be worth looking into going in with some people to get it
knotwork: this is not gutted, the generators all work the survellance all works the gates etc etc
knotwork: I thought the bitcoins in sapce project could maybe transmit to its sattelite from there for example
the20year1: knotwork: where in canada? How much land?
the20year1: guess if i would have read through i could of found my answers
knotwork: Its the sattelite dish and the huge ackaup power room with all the knobs and dials and such i am not so sure how to operate
knotwork: I was thinmking it could offer hosting for miners for example as one use for it. I'd want to put solar panels all over it and windmills its in mountainous area (there is ski-ing up in that part of Nova Scotia thought not year-round at least not with natural snow) so should be good for wind
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [+]
knotwork: So I figured one would want to spend at least as much fillign it with miners or whatever as one spends on buying the facility itself
knotwork: owner is eager to sell but I dont know how low one could talk them down too, plus who knows someone else mgiht put in an offer though it sounds like no one has yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6700004 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00684269 = 0.2806 BTC [+] {2}
knotwork: or if they have maybe its too lowball
knotwork: Presumably not an auction no. It cost 8million to build in 1983 so maybe it was auctioned and the buyer who bid the half mill financing fell through
knotwork: mircea I can give you confidentially the full brochure URLs but I dont want to give that to snipers they might have gleaned enough info already to snipe it
the20year1: although i don't know how you could cashflow or make money off it
knotwork: Personally half a mill is too large a percent of my wealth to want to blow it all on one investment especially since I except bitcoins will appreciate faster than it will
the20year1: I'd rather continue to buy mid-ohio dumps
mircea_popescu: well they're not useful to me, i don't much care for real estate and i know nothing at all of that market.
mircea_popescu: maybe one of the miners/pools/asic producers is looking for space.
knotwork: see someone found the site already yes the folly lake site is for sale
the20year1: i've got a backup bid on a nice property here that was at auction Saturday - 2br 1ba , two, two car garages, $16k
knotwork: oh it says the dish is 45 ft the seller must have meant the geodesic it is in is the 60 ft
knotwork: the whole main building is mil spec radio-shielded
knotwork: there must be some radical bitcoin miners who will like the idea of hosting in an EMP-hardended datacente
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0068 = 0.68 BTC [-]
benkay: most are more interested in profit margins than emotional siting
knotwork: the sattelite dish is a conundrum what to do with, yes. Maybe just sell that off and use the geodesic for something else
knotwork: unless bitcoins in space could find use for it
Duffer1: why would you sell the dish that's the best part
nubbins`: where's wentworth located in NS?
Duffer1: it's not a supervillain layer without it
knotwork: well maybe we can hack sattelites with the disk
nubbins`: knotwork, any environmental damage? chem/oil spills etc?
nubbins`: old military bases sometimes leave messes
knotwork: the external diesel fuel tanks were removed either to prevent env damage or maybe because they saw it coming if they were left to rot wihle the building was not in use
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6710102 = 1.342 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21290 @ 0.00099302 = 21.1414 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: sounds like a few hundred $ in cleanup costs alone
knotwork: Yeah but a princely mil-spec estate is a nice thing for any bitcoin millionaire to have, its just I am not quite ready to buy it all by myself yet.
knotwork: maybe next month when bitcoins are $2000+ if its still available I might go for it alone
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 938 @ 0.00166612 = 1.5628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25024 @ 0.00099279 = 24.8436 BTC [-]
knotwork: I live in a 5 eye country and am a citzen of another (a Brit living in Canada)
nubbins`: benkay: usa, canada, uk, australia, uh...
nubbins`: essentially the Cabal of Whitey
mircea_popescu: i tell you tho, real estate is a professional line, like any other.
the20year1: you guys should buy some rentals in Ohio
knotwork: Running a DC is something I can do, its just an ISP writ large
nubbins`: i've already got enough experience to keep me busy without owning something in another country ;p
mircea_popescu: i mean all through late 2000s average folk figured they're in real estate, "honey the house made more than i did this week",
KRS1: 1 1/2 to 2 hour wait for Papa John's pizza delivery wtf.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00099376 = 10.037 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: knotwork then perhaps the right move is to partner with a bank, take a loan at a decent rate if possible, pad your costs and buy extra miners.
mircea_popescu: KRS1 this is the time of day the delivery boys are fucking the pizzaiolo gals.
knotwork: Yeah maybe the best way is to figure princely estates are not intended to be investments, so go for a mortgage instead of making it an investment corp of any type
knotwork: no bank will give me a mortgage, they dont count bitcoins as collateral
mircea_popescu: knotwork if you wish to run the dc then you definitely want to bring a real estate/finance type on your team.
knotwork: I could lock up 500+ bitcoins as collateral
KRS1: mircea_popescu: i live in south florida, where many consider ground zero for the banking/real estate fuck. I can tell you some horror stories. One scenario I like is the guy who makes $35K a year who bought a $350K house who now lives in a slum apartment with ruined credit.
mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of such deals then you must have the credit and connections already which'd allow you to pick up a mil or two on something under 5% a year on the basis of you putting up a quarter of the cost or less in cash.
knotwork: I just dont want to spend 500 to 600 bitcoins this soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00098889 = 25.4145 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00099397 = 51.587 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: KRS1 i can top that : all through the late 2000s, a coupla banks here sold suckers house loans denominated in swiss francs, on the premise they were ~1% cheaper interest. this, after fees and all, amounted to maybe 500 bucks saved.
knotwork: well the model that is causing me to not want to spend that many bitcoins this soon is I expect half a mill worth of today bitcoins to be five mill quite soon, likely sooner than many folk expect
mircea_popescu: knotwork if that's the entire plan you seem better off laying out some btc on the 10k bet than buying ex-military facilities.
knotwork: right now I am making more just doing stupid filling of orderbooks with lowballs buy offers and highball sell offers than anything else I have been doing
ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
KRS1: I truely believe in Dariwnism at work in finance.
decimation: knotwork, it's hard to imagine any business model denominated in fiat that will beat your "model"
decimation: if bitcoin is still on an upward climb, than it's probably better to hold
knotwork: I am not convinced the place will still be available by the time that bet is settled
decimation: that's exactly the kind of reason not to get into an investment
knotwork: I want the place when I have more bitcoins than I have right now but by then it might not still be available, basically
mircea_popescu: by the time you have more bitcoin you can buy a larger place
decimation: what if divest a few hundred btc and now have an ex-military dump?
knotwork: <decimation> that's exactly the kind of reason not to get into an investment --> that is why my thinking changed since arriving here from get investors to its a princely estate not an investment I just dont want to let go that many bitcoins this soon
decimation: so you are looking for greater fools then
KRS1: I dont mind if a pizza guy has to get laid, as long as its not near my pizza.
knotwork: Hmm okay maybe I should try to research how often places this interesting come available
the20year1: The increase in btc value certainly doesn't help me too much
mircea_popescu: well, let's put it this way : canada is running on a deficit. eventually the whole shebang will go up on auction.
dub: buy your own island in panama for less
knotwork: its also true that if bitcoins skyrockets a lot I wont care if a place is a steal or not I will just pay high to get what I want "at any price" kind of thing
mircea_popescu: wait a few years, buy her majesty's lieutenant general's children.
dub: or likely many many nicer places than a freezing shithole in moosecock territory
knotwork: are the Lt-Gen's children cute?
decimation: I think the bitcoin talk forum is where you want to go if you are looking for greater fools
knotwork: Ah but here I get much better perspective on the whole thing
kakobrekla: a strong tide and your are out of land to stand on
knotwork: I dont want something with lots of power so I can do lots of mining, and with lots of room for solar and wind. water power would be nice too but I havent seen anything good with water power potential yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67000027 = 2.01 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: or you could be living next to John McAfee and be murdered
knotwork: I do want something with ltos of power I mean
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.0009866 = 25.7503 BTC [-] {2}
knotwork: Not sure I want an island, I can get seasick just on the PEI ferry
dub: easy to fix seasickness
decimation: That's why Intel now calls it "Intel Security" instead of "McAfee anti-virus"
dub: two ways, tactical and strategic
dub: tactical, smoke weed = instafix
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this story reminds me of the sad story of some weirdo pua guy. in 2010 i said something like "if you date this guy you have good chances to end up shot in the face, because he is going to shoot someone in the face". in 2011 he was booked on charges of
dub: the other is to subject yourself to it for a week or more
nubbins`: dub, i tactically smoke weed for this very reason
nubbins`: if i don't, i might get seasick
dub: can't fault that stoner logic
mircea_popescu: does weed give you sea sickness in the desert to even things out ?
decimation: He said Intel lost a great marketing opportunity when he was being chased through the jungles of Central America. Instead of shying away from the McAfee name, Intel should have leveraged press about his misadventures and taken a more edgy approach.
decimation: "Roll with it. Hire a creative marketing team and see what you can do with this," he said. Executives should have asked, "How can we do creative marketing to change Intel from a staid, stodgy company to a shaker and mover?"
ozbot: John McAfee escaped police and lost his fortune. Now he's enjoying art in Canada. - Jan. 8, 2014
mircea_popescu: intel wants to be edgy about as much as i want to be politically correct.
decimation: Maybe McAfee will buy your military base, now that he is allowed to reside in Canada, apparently
kakobrekla: knotwork you want a chocholate bar or a chocholate factory?
dub: turns out there are hundreds of islands for under $500k in canada
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: you can't smoke weed in the desert, it's too hot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18738 @ 0.00098657 = 18.4863 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "He added that for his own security he has other people buy his computer equipment for him, uses pseudonyms for setting up computers and logging in, and changes his IP address several times a day.["
knotwork: I dont want to run out of space or power for my datacentre that I want to have
nubbins`: fun fact, nubbins` is not my birth name
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your mastery of newspeak it doubleplus shitty, comrade.
knotwork: right now I am putting in a 400 amp hookup in my country-house but but that is now going to be done as a "home business" in which I will purportedly only use 25% of the house for business
nubbins`: home business is the way to go
knotwork: as to make it commercial I would need wheelshair ramps, parking for however many customers/staff and on like that
knotwork: no I have no bath at all yet that is part of what is currently being installed in the house
kakobrekla: knotwork running dc is not worth it if not on LARGE scale
pankkake: shitty isp would have to lose its logs
pankkake: but very very good isps know how to lose logs too :)
knotwork: Open Transactions is deisgned to work without transaction-history (logs? what logs?) but legal quagmire around that is probably quite a quagmire
knotwork: But I do not want to put anything that has private keys in any third party datacentre
knotwork: Otherwise the keys are in essence not private
kakobrekla: yeah but then you dont need a wheelstair ramp.
knotwork: meters can be read by sattelite nowadays
the20year1: Our local power co-op did all the work to do broadband over lines...they're the only one that uses it
the20year1: i think they ended up figuring like $25/mo for 768kbps for a residential user
decimation: I thought the smart meters used some kind of mesh network
knotwork: of course in the old days we lived in shoeboxes in the middle of the gutters
knotwork: mircea_popescu, how/where do you host MPOE? how many techies guards gosh knows what have access to the hardware?
mircea_popescu: "Vice accidentally gave away his location at a Guatemalan resort in early December 2012, when a photo taken by one of its journalists accompanying McAfee was posted with the Exif geolocation metadata still attached." cute.
knotwork: do you keep the private keys at your own site and all the third party places have to call home any time something needing the key happens?
decimation: supposedly McAfee was disguised, but then wen to talk with the media
dub: he has an army of amazonian bbw's guarding his shit
ozbot: John McAfee 'disguised as Guatemalan street hawker with a limp' - Telegraph
mircea_popescu: "Everything I owned was in Belize. I left with nothing in my pocket," he said.
mircea_popescu: besides, he's working on biopics. that's a sure sign of desperation.
KRS1: wow pizza here already
KRS1: I'm gonna call them, they told me it would be 1-2 hrs damnit.
KRS1: those girls can be lots of fun
kakobrekla: well, they certanly are lots of something.
KRS1: shes not bad..bbw goes downhill from there.
mircea_popescu: anyone got a better pars-pro-toto representative for marxism than Althusser ?
ozbot: Harbour Grace cathedral found to be worthless - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: Altus Group found that the building currently has a market value of zero.
ozbot: Judge to decide if Kenny Green broke bail - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: guy gets out on bail, condition is not to enter a licensed drinking establishment
nubbins`: is arrested exiting a jungle-themed family restaurant that happens to serve booze
nubbins`: anyway, the murder this guy is accused of committing took place about 50 meters southeast of my house
nubbins`: the victim's grave was dug up a couple of days after burial
nubbins`: and this kenny green guy was accused of trying to break out of the psych hospital while being held there for some sort of examination
dub: some next level retardation in #dogecoin
mircea_popescu: maybne they only had tequilla and it's not agreeing with him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00098635 = 15.4857 BTC [-] {2}
dub: theres no words really
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "i had sex with urmom and she was saying all along, doge! upupup!" ?
knotwork: There was some guy in the investments section of bitcointalk (also probably known as the greater fool section) who wanted to do a whole ten million USD datacentre with solar and such I cant recall who that was
knotwork: he mismanaged the shares thing and mybe also got screwed when that Irish guy's "exchange" flew by night
knotwork: I think his nick was longer than that? not death and taxes but thats who I always tended to confuse him with
knotwork: but I think death and taxes nick was what kept the other guys nick from sticking in my long term memory
knotwork: Diablo yes that it no idea what I'd confuse that with death, maybe its a death and the devil thing
gribble: Diablo-D3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <Diablo-D3> and all their btrfs people left to other companies
knotwork: oh good maybe he wont read the backscroll and will turn out to be a great fool :D
knotwork: I thought maybe I'd found just what he was looking for but at a cheaper price
knotwork: and in proobably decent place for wind power
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68596666 = 2.0579 BTC [+] {3}
knotwork: maybe even water though it doesnt mention any brooks etc in the stuff I have read about the place
knotwork: but it is said to be in mountain area
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure you need a permit to dam running water, even in canada.
knotwork: I wasnt thinking of a dam but even just a little thing you sink into the water might be all kinds of regulation apparently yeah
knotwork: some guy on bitcointalk has pics of a tiny little trickly he gets power from
nubbins`: re: permits, generally that would be a provincial responsibility, not federal
knotwork: Yeah Diablo I saw a piece of real estate I thought might be great for the kind of data centre you once wanted to do
Diablo-D3: [11:13:26] <knotwork> There was some guy in the investments section of bitcointalk (also probably known as the greater fool section) who wanted to do a whole ten million USD datacentre with solar and such I cant recall who that was
Diablo-D3: its a fucking peanut gallery in there
Diablo-D3: a bunch of fuckwits that know nothing about running a company
Diablo-D3: so I shut down DMC and just went my own way
Duffer1: heh i was just gonna say..
Duffer1: millspec base in bumfuck canada perfect for a data center
Duffer1: too cold for bdsm probably
Diablo-D3: Duffer1: we have a few abandoned military bases in northern US including maine btw
knotwork: Not with all the heat the mining gear gives off
Diablo-D3: sometimes they come up for auction
knotwork: maybe cold enough to cool the gear in winter. maybe.
knotwork: I have fans sucking in outside area in my room here in snowstorm and its still plenty warm in here
Diablo-D3: knotwork: I ended up starting a dedicated server hosting company for a quarter of a million
Diablo-D3: if I grow it right, I'll be able to afford the datacenter I want
nubbins`: wow, wentworth really is bumfuck canada
knotwork: what kind of facility and do you rent/lease or own the land?
knotwork: for me a MAJOR part of wanting my own datacentre is I dont want to refer to keys that are on third party land as "private" keys as for all I know they are not.
knotwork: They are the third party's keys that they maybe let me use but aren't really mine any way not privately anyway
Diablo-D3: Im getting the racks directly from someone leasing directly from the building owner.
Diablo-D3: not a reseller further down the line
knotwork: and this someone is part of th corporate "you" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00098973 = 17.1223 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: the farther you go down the chain, the more you get fucked with
mircea_popescu: you know sooner or later you will have to take employees.
Diablo-D3: if the NSA is going to spy on me or my customers
knotwork: one problem really with the military base idea is it would need a guard or groundskeeper etc
knotwork: though I could lock them out of the actual datacentre part maybe
Diablo-D3: it'd require no more physical security than an actual datacenter.
Diablo-D3: if you're not aware of how datacenter security works, go research that
knotwork: I coudl maybe put the keys in a machine in a vault or something
Diablo-D3: you're worried about private keys?
Diablo-D3: unless the machine is on you at all times and already secure, there is no such thing as a secure private key
Diablo-D3: the only machine that can be on you at all times is a cell phone. cell phones are not secure.
knotwork: Maybe right in a city next to a police station could be more secure than out in the middle of no-where with gosh knows how long an RCMP response-time
knotwork: See this place is a great resource for discovering whether one is oneself a great(er) fool.
KRS1: Just buy a ship. Done. imo choose the caterpillar diesel engines option..well worth it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 39 @ 0.0032 = 0.1248 BTC [+]
KRS1: Secure, self sustaining..
Namworld: You could tattoo the private key on the underneath of your eyelid. Pull and read in a mirror.
Namworld: Sign with it from offline computer, clean machine after each use
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999997 = 0.15 BTC [+]
Namworld: Now people need to drug you/knowck you out to get the private key.
KRS1: find a way to live in orbit
KRS1: make sure to have a greenhouse and recycle your water
KRS1: kakobrekla, if its made out of unobtainium its is..jeez.
Namworld: With giant laser cannon directed at the "ants" (people) on earth? So you can direct them around or randomly blast them?
KRS1: Namworld you could have tons of fun with that..it would never get old.
kakobrekla: not if a rock made of unobtainium hits you
knotwork: Well first I will just get my 400 amps into my country-house I might feel a lot less stir-crazy cabin-fever starved for outlets to plug machines into then
KRS1: ah shit i didnt think of that =/
Namworld: If that happen I can rebuild it mad an indestructible unobtainium shielding.
mod6: s.moon: mp's forth-coming lunar cold storage warehouse
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00684269 = 0.2463 BTC [-]
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.67000002 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Security Expert Hacks Obamacare Website In 4 Minutes; Accesses 70,000 Records | Zero Hedge
KRS1: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
KRS1: i'm sorry i gotta step away for this
knotwork: Well maybe a movie. Involving an evil lair
knotwork: Or figure out the cost of just the land, subtract the cost of removing the buildings etc etc and make crazy lowball offer to see how eager the seller is to sell
knotwork: offer to take it off his hands for a nominal dollar to save him the cost of demolition
the20year1: what i'd do is just start off with a lowball figure, bring it up $10k or so every few weeks
knotwork: maybe it will afterall still be available in november when bitcoin is $10,000 (i guess I was wrong about how long people think that might take to reach) and it will be cheaper then too as their desperation increases
knotwork: I think even when it reaches only $2000 or $2500 or so I would start wanting to hive off 500k CAD or so worth into something other than cryptocoins
knotwork: even though anything other than cryptocoins would likely appreciate much slower
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00009021 = 0.1804 BTC [-] {4}
knotwork: but land can be appreciated in other ways than by looking how much money it is worth
knotwork: one can walk it, live on it build lairs on it etc
knotwork: if I could use 500 or 600 bitcoins as collateral for a mortgage/loan I might go for it all by mtself
knotwork: because anyone who believes bitcoin is good as collateral isnt going to want to issue a fiat denominated loan
knotwork: and I wouldnt want a bitcoin-denominated one that would be crazy
the20year1: BTC>USD , get a cashout refi , then put that back into bitcoin
knotwork: who would issue a 500k CAD loan based on bitcoin collateral?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00009004 = 0.8104 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.026 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2268 @ 0.00008971 = 0.2035 BTC [-] {2}
knotwork: It does sound more and more like the place is probbly going to remain available for quite a while yet so I guess I will check it out every month or few and see how desperate that become to get rid of it
knotwork: maybe pick up and refurbish the other couple of places I have been looking at first. Go at them in cheapest place first sequence.
Namworld: I have a 290 BTC loan. Ultra crazy
knotwork: you pay a little each time BTC dives?
Namworld: Nope. What does it matter if BTC dives?
knotwork: well if you have fiat income for example
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 615 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.5175% in 3d 9h 24m 13s
Namworld: Oh. Not much fiat income actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 60000 @ 0.00008084 = 4.8504 BTC [-] {22}
knotwork: How much (ballpark) would an option to buy bitcoin in say six months or nine or a year for today's price cost?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14408 @ 0.00008 = 1.1526 BTC [-]
Namworld: It's nothing new, been going for a long time
knotwork: I should have bought more than just a few million DOGE to scatter across a huge range of highball sell offers, my selsl are being eaten up like crazy
knotwork: much profit on tiny amount of capital :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19000 @ 0.00008 = 1.52 BTC [-] {2}
knotwork: oh well it will go down and hit my remaining even lower lowball buy offers soon maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00098858 = 21.7488 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.000076 = 0.228 BTC [-] {4}
Namworld: How much does CBTC even earns?
knotwork: Nice question. Maybe it is time for me to start looking into actually making some use of my MPOE seat assuming such things do not expire thus that I still have it.
jcpham: everytime i see the word doge i facedesk
Namworld: ugh... 9.16% APY on something BTC related...
jcpham: i think i just broke my nose that time
Duffer1: their last div was 58 satoshi
knotwork: I didn't buy into Satoshi Dice since I figured it was only a matter of time before it ran into legal problems. Didn't think oh yeah it could get bought out by someone who has all the right licenses and jurisdiction (did it?)
Namworld: You should have bought a ton at IPO
Namworld: Wether you sold high or just accrued divs until it sold, you'd have earned a good chunk
knotwork: Maybe less than 100 bitcoins as it mgiht have been before I got the bounty for helping to create DVC
Namworld: Would have been enough to make a good chunk
knotwork: I wasnt about to risk precious bitcoins on some third party site let alone on fourth party offerigns on such a site
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00098858 = 5.8821 BTC [-]
knotwork: If was going to bie at all back then I would have gone for S.MPOE itself or whatever it is called
knotwork: and maybe that would have made quite a chunk too? Are there historic plots/charts etc somewhere?
Duffer1: i don't know how far back the data goes
knotwork: not impressive growth though not a skyrocket, at least in that period, but maybe it was more impressive in the early days
knotwork: but maybe the bonds behind the options were better earnings historically?
knotwork: in all its history of satoshi dice its all going generally down not up
Namworld: SD started much lower than that
Namworld: SD went from 0.0022 - 0.0027 IPO slices to 0.007 and then back down or something
Namworld: At buyout, each share was bought 0.0032 I think
knotwork: Yike S.MD is also a downhill cruise lately
kakobrekla: anyone has any monies on that thing called ripple
knotwork: the charts indicate nothing about dividends though
jcpham: are they worth something yet?
knotwork: I have the giveaway ripples they gave out early on that were much bigger than later giveaways
knotwork: maybe a couple of grand USD worth or a grand or so depending on when I check the price
Namworld: You could have accrued dividends on SD in the range of up to ~0.0002 per month per share at it's highest I think, or close to that
knotwork: actually I sold the first 20000 or so they gave me for bitcoins, at way better price I think that I have seen since
Namworld: For like two months where they made 10-20k BTC profits I think
Namworld: Other months like 1-5k range mostly
kakobrekla: i just found out i have btc change there and want to get it out
jcpham: well apparently yhere ripple fuckers deleted my wallet
knotwork: huh your wallet in your passphrase basically isnt it?
kakobrekla: ill swap with network btc with a fee if anyone cares
ozbot: It’s not the sauce, it’s the poultry and other metamathematical considerations pe Trilema - Un b
knotwork: or are you saying they wiped your accoutns from their ledgers?
jcpham: Payward Wallet not found (Username / Password is wrong)
kakobrekla: i just dont want to leave extra money to those fuckers
Namworld: ripples are worth a good chunk. They were worth even a lot more earlier, like 5000 ripples for 1 BTC. Now 40k ripples for 1 BTC.
jcpham: i didn't type it wrong
jcpham: who the fuck is this billionaire romanaian
jcpham: i keep reading about on the interwebs
jcpham: well if i had 75k ripples the last time i logged in and now the account is gone
jcpham: i'm callingripple a scam now
mircea_popescu: mod6 honestly, sounds more like reverend moon's next mass wedding.
Namworld: doesn't matter if you can fetch records without even hacking, just by going to an url
Namworld: That's poor website security. They could have hosted it on any platform, even the most secure, it doesn't fix incompetence.
knotwork: jcpham you stored your "wallet" only on third party storage not on your own disk?
mod6: mircea_popescu: heheh
jcpham: mircea_popescu does mpex support dogecoin yet?
mod6: select * from health_care_chumps where 't' = 't'; drop heath_care_chumps; commit;
mircea_popescu: yep. mpex supports dogecoin by helping all the dogecoin owners stay out of trouble.
mod6: haha, drop that baby on its head.
knotwork: Vircurex listed DOGE so I made a choice between abandoning Vircurex and taking a flutter of trying my devcoin strategy on DOGE
mod6: if you like your swisscheese website, you can keep it.
knotwork: which seems to be working so far, my highball sells are still being gobbled higher and higher
mircea_popescu: this is like ghostships on the sea of forgotten memories
knotwork: It seems to be more picky about what altcoins to list than any others I came across, and I have been into merged mining since it was invented so wanted someplace that had at least some of the merged mined coins
Apocalyptic: it still exists and people think it's legit
knotwork: its still an anonymous-owner exchange I think?
Apocalyptic: cause it's been around for a while you know
mircea_popescu: and didn't the hack force the guy to wipe the equity of his investors, as he had no other resources ?
knotwork: Claimed to be hacked twice and make good, but the second claim seems more suspect than the first because after it got rep from the first claim a russian site also tried the lets say we were hacked then have customers not lose money way to get rep
mircea_popescu: well, musical chairs can be a fun game, especialyl if you don't bring much money.
knotwork: so VIrcurex's second such claim might have jsut been a PR response to the Russian response to the gain in rep Vircurex had got the first time around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00098936 = 32.6489 BTC [+] {2}
knotwork: Vircurex always made the customers whole. Though whether there actually had been anything to make them whole about I dunno
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00099456 = 34.4118 BTC [+] {2}
knotwork: theey might simply have been the inventors of the lets say we got viciously hacked then show how great we are by "making the customers whole" PR tactic
mircea_popescu: they made their "customers" whole on the basis of stealing their "investor's" equity.
knotwork: huh? not sure what you mean. They claimed hot wallet had been stolen then tht they made up the loss so no customers lost anything
knotwork: what "equity" are you thinking of?
knotwork: They have shares out on some "exchange" or other is it something about those?
knotwork: oh the shareholders hold the bag for making the customers whole re the hot wallet?
knotwork: I thought the shares thing was more recent than the "hacks"
knotwork: I admit I never really paid any attention to any of the exhcanges offering shares stuff
knotwork: I was amazed people fell for that when the solidcoin guy did it
mircea_popescu: so i dunno what +rep you think you saw or where, but i dun think such a thing occured.
knotwork: I thought I saw just days ago they have shares on some exchange or other
mircea_popescu: the listing is full of lolz, i'll have th egirl dig it up in the morn.
knotwork: Part of why i stick to vircurex is I long ago took back everything I ever put there plus lots of profit so everything at risk there now is just more profit I could have taken
knotwork: But buying shares wow weird, first question I'd ask myself is why isn't it listed on MPEx, the answer would likely tip me off
knotwork: I havent even taken a flutter on any shares that *are* listed on MPEx yet
Apocalyptic: The loss of the funds will be recovered out of the monthly dividends. Dividends will be used to purchase back the missing funds in the coming months. Depending on the trading volume development this is expected to take 9 to 12 months."
knotwork: ah other people's money is great stuff isn't it
Apocalyptic: seriously i'm still amazed they're in business
mircea_popescu: i have trouble seriously believing they're in any sort of business
knotwork: At least that Irish guy someone actually knew he he was had met him at conferences etc but even so "investing" in one kid running a homebrewed website seems a little dubious at thebest of time
mircea_popescu: i mean... so knotwork is being much entertained. that's fine
Apocalyptic: "We now pay interest on BTC, LTC, PPC, NVC and WDC account balances, they are paid multiple times every day. Check out the help for details"
Apocalyptic: "since we're scamming let's do it mcxnow style baby"
knotwork: Its not interest its just a portion off the fees
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, dunno just saw that on the index page
Apocalyptic: <knotwork> Its not interest its just a portion off the fees // where do you get this from ?
knotwork: not a rebate on your own fees, a share of fees being earned in general
knotwork: its like your bitcoins sitting on deposit get you free feshares while they remain on deposit
mircea_popescu: so they can pay off with the proceeds the other stuff they got stolen from
knotwork: yeah if anyone knows of a better exchange that has namecoins devcoins and maybe even more merged mined coins I'mi nterested to hear about it
mircea_popescu: "everyone is making roi. just find a fiat currency with bad inflation"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17984 @ 0.00099379 = 17.8723 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: knotwork prolly doesn't exist, and you know, have fun, just don't do something stupid.
knotwork: otherwise I just continue to hope the open transactions for grandmas is done soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1116 @ 0.00099536 = 1.1108 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: does anyone know of a website that keeps track of some altcoins hashrate ?
knotwork: Vircurex does for those it lists. well it shows current hashrates no history plots etc
Apocalyptic: thanks, hum Devcoin has actually some decent hashrate
knotwork: depending on the general prevalence of but-its-not-bitcoin sentiment
knotwork: considering just hashrate its IXCoin that is the dark horse so far, high hash/difficulty yet not much mass buying yet
knotwork: Yet. When hashrate becomes a big selling point it would presumably see more volume and/or price
knotwork: currently cuteness of meme is the bigger selling point it seems
knotwork: and none of the sctypt coins save maybe possibly litecoin can afford to let hashrate become the selling point of choice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00672002 = 0.3898 BTC [-] {3}
knotwork: oh except maybe the supposedly merged mine capable scrypt coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00672 = 0.6653 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00099542 = 34.2922 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
knotwork: So would there be much/any interest in some kind of "buy shares in a fully legally licensed etc etc Open Transactions server" kind of offering?
knotwork: As it looks like going legal could be a big whole in the law that one throws money into
knotwork: Its early adopter time still for Open Transactions based stuff, oculd be good potential there...
mod6: Speaking of holes, was the signifigance of the revolutionary flag in '89 to cut out the old coat of arms?
mircea_popescu: the coat of arms was associated with the socialist republic
mircea_popescu: the flag had borne the king's arms afore, then after the war the communists copied this form, just with a new design.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4782 @ 0.00008249 = 0.3945 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the current coat of romania is pretty much the same, minus the hermelin.
mod6: I some old footage recently, it stuck with me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1250 @ 0.000085 = 0.1063 BTC [+]
mod6: thx for the link :]
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
gribble: Current Blocks: 281632 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 607 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2154321197.54 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.38361
mod6: is it also the largest in number of confirmed bets?
knotwork: wow looks like easy money this late in the game, what is the catch?
mod6: s.bbet just had its 1st birthday
knotwork: Are there fees or somesuch that will eat the meagre win-profit if one bets yes this late?
mod6: read da faq. there is a weight.
knotwork: 1% fee in effect it looks like. two thirds of the currently estimated winnings
knotwork: oh the winnings listed/calculated already have the fee taken out? The FAQ seems to imply otherwise.
kakobrekla: knotwork the calculator on the page is accounting for everything
kakobrekla: whatever is under 'out' in resolved bets table it has the fee taken out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00099267 = 15.6346 BTC [-] {2}
knotwork: resolved ones sure, what I am puzzling over is where it shows what a Yes or a No would pay on currently still running bet. FAQ seems to indicate that calculation is not including the fee
knotwork: if that does not take fee into account the fee would eat almost 2/3rds of the winnings
knotwork: even if the weight didndt change by end of time of liveness of the bet, which it probably will
knotwork: so I am thinking the "catch" is that by the time the betting is closed the Yes would pay less than what one bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.0009887 = 31.589 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: thats why you have the calc in the first place.
knotwork: Maybe it would help to have it say either "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC after fees" or say "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC before fees" to make it crystal clean in your face kind of thing
mircea_popescu: "given current time weight and assuming no one else bets" > "after fees, given current time weight and assuming no one else bets" ?
knotwork: sure, great, you are the great writer/grammaticist/sequencer of words just so its clear is all I was after
knotwork: Thanks yes exactly it makes it pretty clear
knotwork: and saves having to repeat the "after fees" words on both the yes line and the no line
kakobrekla: id go with "given current time weight and assuming no one else bets, including fees"
knotwork: though hmm somehow it doesn't "sound" quite as good
mircea_popescu: are they included in the sense of not substracted, or included in the sense of having been assesed.
knotwork: ah yes there ya go but also just tacking it on the end doesnt seem as ncie as putting it in front I dont know why
kakobrekla: just seems more choppy to me, putting in it front
kakobrekla: but whatever, its in front now and live.
knotwork: would smaller font be legible?
mircea_popescu: after fees, given current weight and assuming no one else bets
knotwork: oh width of browser/screen effects?
knotwork: its one line for me regardless of scrunching the wondow smaller
knotwork: oh gosh you aren't on Internet Explorer are you?!?!
knotwork: its right-justified instead of centred
mircea_popescu: now let's hope nobody else further breaks our nice site with their IMPROVEMENTS
knotwork: or something. left margin larger than right margin for that line
knotwork: its not metalic rainbow hue with unicorns!
knotwork: its like the sound of the train going fruit and nut, fruit and nut, fruit and nut in the caadburys ad
knotwork: te cadburys ad they used to put in trains
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.66188008 = 3.3094 BTC [-] {3}
knotwork: the train goes change is bad, change is bad, change is bad... ;)
knotwork: it didnt change really did it? it was entred before the changes wasnt it?
knotwork: at least I had not noticed a lack of centre originally
kakobrekla: well it was on center but on center of li which is not on center
kakobrekla: dunno why it shows more now, prolly cause shorter text
knotwork: well I had not noticed it before the first change but maybe merely because my attention was not really on that line back then
knotwork: ok we can do the unicorns another time :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.04999997 = 2.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.0066171 = 0.2514 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.08500666 = 0.255 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0027 = 1.35 BTC [-]
knotwork: Well having invested so many unicorns into spiffing up the website I guess I should consider investing in the shares :)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24791 @ 0.0009887 = 24.5109 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.0028468 = 0.8313 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 295 @ 0.002847 = 0.8399 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1064 @ 0.00285203 = 3.0346 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 134 @ 0.0028847 = 0.3865 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 650 @ 0.00289653 = 1.8827 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 719 @ 0.00289999 = 2.0851 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.0066003 = 0.4818 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 87 @ 0.04999998 = 4.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1376 @ 0.00289999 = 3.9904 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 424 @ 0.00294 = 1.2466 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09439998 = 0.2832 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.09715 = 0.1943 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00099044 = 19.0164 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00098986 = 23.2122 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00674993 = 0.27 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.675 = 1.35 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.67 = 3.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00677795 = 0.6371 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00098652 = 9.1746 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00099095 = 14.0715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00099534 = 12.4418 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00099218 = 21.6295 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00662481 = 0.4704 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 800 @ 0.00646498 = 5.172 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.64012 = 6.4012 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 226 @ 0.00637003 = 1.4396 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0009904 = 3.9616 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.0009904 = 4.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6400 @ 0.000085 = 0.544 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 356 @ 0.00086972 = 0.3096 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.026 = 0.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.0009904 = 4.0111 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02609997 = 0.8352 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00098763 = 20.3452 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00099002 = 12.4594 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 332 @ 0.00294895 = 0.9791 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.002967 = 0.3204 BTC [+]
KRS1: sorry, i just dont see LTC being replaced by 'doge'
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro, I need it to develop my project
VitalyChernikov: I develops 3 Android application and one service for my city. Service : Sellers of my city will made photo of their most interest product and send this photo with geo tags via mobile application on server.
VitalyChernikov: I have family - wife and little son and I develops that project to earn for my family
VitalyChernikov: But my curren PC is old and noise and it waking up wife and children when I working at night
punkman: VitalyChernikov: shouldn't you be asking the users of your apps first?
VitalyChernikov: Yes I asked before my frends and others IT specialists - they approved my idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00099095 = 32.7509 BTC [+] {4}
VitalyChernikov: If any want can write me on my e-mail, i will send my photos.
VitalyChernikov: But all my salary is always spent on children or wife or food and I can't accumulate money for laptop. I am 28 years.
truffles: maybe u shouldve thought about that before u got wife + children
VitalyChernikov: Yes, sure. but before it I was learned in institute, than on cathedra and current at 2012 I start work as programmer. Life is awesome
truffles: u make it seem like the wife and children are taking away all ur funds, when u chose that life
KRS1: did china come to an agreement with their banks yet?
VitalyChernikov: Wife and children have motivated me to start work more hard and looking for new ideas. It is big plus
truffles: u should state it that way then :)
VitalyChernikov: So, if any want to help, simple donate I will said big thanks
KRS1: so you want to work more hard but you come here for a handout?
truffles: donate to support ur wife and kids eh?
KRS1: i feel bad for him truffles throw him a few btc
KRS1: like 5-10 would be a great start for him
KRS1: VitalyChernikov keep asking i'm sure someone will, these folks are very generous.
truffles: except id make ppl do things for it heh
KRS1: i know you would truffles
KRS1: work for it, teh best way, but provide the opportunity
truffles: nothing too complicated though
truffles: and id prob be back to poor so fast lol
KRS1: some people are meant to be
truffles: "t is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
VitalyChernikov: Yes, it is strange and wild step to ask help here, but I decide to try because I hope other programmers will help me
VitalyChernikov: And it all that i need to cloase my door and start work next year
VitalyChernikov: My address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz I will share here photo report when I buy laptop and photo of me and family
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29934 @ 0.00098648 = 29.5293 BTC [-] {3}
VitalyChernikov: And also please write me on e-mail that i may to said thanks
truffles: how can we know its ur family though
truffles: but how will we know its ur passport
VitalyChernikov: You know it is very hard without car on winter on frost to go in any place ofcity. That is why I asking heelp for laptop buying
VitalyChernikov: I am working! At IT company, but salary is $850, I am beginner developer.
VitalyChernikov: With family it is hard to accumulate for car or for good laptop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20474 @ 0.00098991 = 20.2674 BTC [+]
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC, I need it to develop my project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC, I need it to develop my project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
KRS1: Now thats working hard for what you need
truffles: there is a log so ppl will see it no matter what
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.638 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61033334 = 1.831 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.61 = 6.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: VitalyChernikov basically the only way out of this is to never repeat it again and claim it was a mis-paste the first time.
kakobrekla: so he can write spam more efficiently?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00612 = 0.153 BTC [-] {2}
truffles: there is some translation issues though
KRS-: truffles i'm proud of you..such a big heart =D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999988 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19760 @ 0.00098923 = 19.5472 BTC [-] {2}
KRS-: Could be serbian or nigerian too.
truffles: but what does it mean to have a big heart though
KRS-: Maybe he should get "verified" like they do on Gox before going further.
VitalyChernikov: I am real man, programmerm that only have one need, and decide ask here help
KRS-: Do we have a submission site?
truffles: VitalyChernikov well ur plea is known now to everyone, this moderator wants to ban u though :(
KRS-: hmm now we are getting somewhere
KRS-: remember that B&B tv show on MTV
KRS-: Vitaly you dont put your family on your facebook page
truffles: why not, he lives in russia heh
truffles: why not = why not post family pics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.641 BTC [+]
truffles: kako we have something in common!
KRS-: he sidestepped the submission or application process for facebook instead
truffles: i wouldnt know, i never got a facebook
KRS-: never thought it was a good idea
truffles: never posted a tweet yet oddly
truffles: need to work on short witty sentences
VitalyChernikov: I do not put photo of my family because it is relatively private information. And I may send photo on e-mail
truffles: if u r legit, its nice that ure not taking away funds from the family to spend rashly on other things
simlay: I feel like there's cheaper ways to write quality software than a Macbook Pro.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00282106 = 0.4232 BTC [-] {4}
VitalyChernikov: I want buy used Macbook that is cheaper than new, but also reliable
KRS-: I'm sure somebody can help him out..trouble is not many people on here yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 850 @ 0.00276241 = 2.348 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.04999995 = 2.75 BTC [+] {2}
VitalyChernikov: Some times when you develops in Visual Studio on c# you need Windows
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.0061 = 0.4697 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999998 = 0.5 BTC [+]
KRS-: warm where i am, i wish it would cool down already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.0009864 = 12.8725 BTC [-] {3}
VitalyChernikov: As we agreed put once at hour: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android and web project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
kakobrekla: seriously VitalyChernikov , stop with the spam, last warning.
simlay: You should write a script that does it once per hour.
Perlboy: VitalyChernikov, here's my donation 8=================>
Perlboy: i made it extra long for you
Perlboy: if you can't write code on the irc box you're talking from you shouldn't be cutting code
Perlboy: anyways, clearly i'm being short tempered and need sleep
VitalyChernikov: kakobrekla is forbid me write my announcement, so any who want help please write on vdchernikov@gmail.com , seriously
kakobrekla: kakobrekla is forbid you but you still do it.
KRS-: what was the announcement again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00098928 = 11.6735 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 428 @ 0.00295253 = 1.2637 BTC [+] {6}
VitalyChernikov: Yes, it is strange to hope that any will donate me. Will looking for about bank kredit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 264 @ 0.00296032 = 0.7815 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1146 @ 0.00296699 = 3.4002 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00297345 = 1.4867 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 995 @ 0.00297499 = 2.9601 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 138 @ 0.00086972 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00098928 = 4.9959 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.04999998 = 2.2 BTC [+]
punkman: guys also need small btc 0.2 or 0.3 for cow. kakobrekla is forbid? cow very old is not make milk fast, son very big drink like father
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04999999 = 0.4 BTC [+]
punkman: i earn new cow but lose in dog battle, very unlucky
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.04999999 = 1.2 BTC [+]
punkman: new cow was beauty. but Nico bet tractor and Nico dog look weak but beat all dog. so now i have only old cow and dog dead
punkman: but 0.2 btc I buy new wire sword and steal cow before Nico do steak
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3750 @ 0.04999999 = 187.5 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.05 = 2.25 BTC [+]
punkman: simlay: you have small btc for cow?
punkman: will send picture of cow when she is back
punkman: can also sent steak but from old cow, not very good, maybe soup
simlay: I don't understand wtf is happening with dogecoin.
simlay: The daily transaction volume is larger than the market cap.
simlay: Also, I don't see how dogecoin is different than say lightcoin.
simlay: That's mostly due to ignorance.
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
simlay: I'm no rocket scientist but you've definitely not waited an hour to respam.
KRS1: lippoper major doge action lel =)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00099246 = 10.7186 BTC [+]
simlay: #dogecoin is such a shit show.
simlay: Yeah, impossible to follow anything.
punkman: "DOGE Colored Coins. Such Power! Wow. make new coins. p2p exchange. smart contracts. to the moon."
simlay: I think my favorite part of dogecoin is the lack of complete sentences.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0062 = 0.155 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00099423 = 21.3262 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0061999 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61105 = 1.2221 BTC [-] {2}
lippoper: "I used to own 25% Bitcoin and 75% Litecoin. I didn't want to sell my Litecoin so instead I dumped my bitcoin and bought 5 Million Doge!! Best decision I ever made and I'm not selling."
lippoper: dogeroad == silkroad but with dogecoin
pankkake: dogecoin is as good as litecoin as far as I'm concerned
lippoper: Litecoin devs have been dropping the ball all along the way
lippoper: The devs for doge have fixed a lot of the LTC issues
lippoper: as far as I'm concerned it's a better coin
lippoper: plus the community is super active
lippoper: last time I heard anything about LTC was last year, when koolio and gang raised over 8k LTC for development and nothing came of it
Shokora: plus it's always fun to see actual money being exchanged on websites littered with memes and nonsensical shit in general
Shokora: it's like the lulz apocalypse
lippoper: they were supposed to be added to Gox
lippoper: Doge's difficulty is climbing so fast
lippoper: network hash rate has gone from 30GH/s this last thursday to 105GH/s today
lippoper: Difficulty 1065.3591744 Est Next Difficulty 1351.40698655
lippoper: it also went from being worth 40-50 satoshis to ~200 satoshis now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00099284 = 26.1117 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10784 @ 0.00008914 = 0.9613 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 35435 @ 0.00009499 = 3.366 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.04999999 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00297499 = 0.1904 BTC [+]
ozbot: Casascius Physical Bitcoins Lealana Bitcoin 12 Coin Collection Silver Gold 5 1 | eBay
nubbins`: 19btc worth of stuff, current bid $9,300
the20year: 3 coins worth 1btc, 1 coin worth 1 btc, 8 coins worth 0.5btc = 8btc
alystair: how in the world do you get 19btc as value lol
nubbins`: 3x2 + 8x1.5 + 1x1 = 19(no idea what lelelel coins are worth)
nubbins`: alystair, by counting the resale value, not the face value
the20year: it says those 3 coins are 1btc each
lippoper: and where did you get 1.5btc value from?
nubbins`: lippoper: and the market is what it is, not what you think it is
lippoper: that's how you end up getting ripped off
lippoper: regardless of how much USD it's worth ;-)
nubbins`: go ahead and buy a silver 0.5 for 0.5btc
nubbins`: thestringpuller, i've seen a gold-plated 1btc silver with a heart-shaped gold defect
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5185 @ 0.00009055 = 0.4695 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: nubbins (n): one who speaks the truth
nubbins`: anyway, this guy's doing his auction all wrong
lippoper: nubbins (v): to mess up details and facts
nubbins`: who the fuck wants to buy eight dupes from a reseller with a rating of 11?
nubbins`: i invited you to try purchasing an 0.5 casascius silver for 0.5btc
lippoper: that's a horrible party invite
lippoper: don't you have some 'nerds' to pick on lol
nubbins`: that's what i'm doing right now
truffles: he'd rather do that than challenge me to a game of chess ..
nubbins`: <lippoper> lel things are worth what i think they're worth, not what they're actually worth!
nubbins`: truffles, you're too demanding an opponent ;p
truffles: ure the last person i would play non-timer
nubbins`: the logs tell a different story
truffles: well Boingo did wait 24hrs once lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4018 @ 0.00099392 = 3.9936 BTC [+]
truffles: id do inchat whenever ure ready
truffles: chat logs will tell me how long ure taking per move too
nubbins`: Don't ship the item. We've completed the Payment Review and canceled the payment because it may not have been authorized by the PayPal account holder.
nubbins`: thought that guy was a bit too eager
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31067 @ 0.00099108 = 30.7899 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.617 = 1.234 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.616 = 1.232 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.616 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00099392 = 19.7293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00099485 = 35.0187 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00087687 / 0.00096953 / 0.0009999 (1236088 shares, 1,198.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00083792 / 0.00087234 / 0.0009999 (6570762 shares, 5,731.99 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00087213 / 0.0009999 (26205358 shares, 22,854.72 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61500001 = 1.23 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.615 = 1.23 BTC [-]
nubbins`: turns out dropping 24btc on openbsd was a great form of advertising
nubbins`: ars, el reg, slashdot, zdnet, etc all carried the story
truffles: r ppl smart enough for such maneuvers
nubbins`: only some credited bingo's blog ;)
pankkake: that was some cheap advertising
nubbins`: i don't doubt it, lotta readers saw those stories
assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00010001 / 0.00010069 / 0.000135 (30796 shares, 3.10 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.0001061 / 0.00014 (53100 shares, 5.63 BTC)
pankkake: any increases in rss feed subscriptions? twatter followers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00099495 = 10.7455 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the funniest part in all of this are, of course, the variously non-english speaking romanian doods who had figured they're like... you know... teh bitcoin jesus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73900 @ 0.0009953 = 73.5527 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: china taking the whole "you're grounded" thing to a whole new level
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285259 = 0.2853 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: (mostly linked for the headline)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24660 @ 0.00099143 = 24.4487 BTC [-]
nubbins`: "Rap for KitKat in crap app wrap trap flap: Android 4.4 is 'meant to work like that'"
nubbins`: i've always had a soft spot for rhyming and alliteration in headlines
nubbins`: i always picture a room full of editors roaring with laughter and saying HAHAHA FUCK IT LET'S PUBLISH IT
mircea_popescu: and nobody reading it knows what the headlines mean...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7380 @ 0.00099567 = 7.348 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: you need to draw a diagram sometimes to figure them out
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
pankkake: I don't want to live on this planet anymore
mircea_popescu: lo. funny thing is, ima write an article about exactly this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 152 @ 0.00617863 = 0.9392 BTC [+] {7}
pankkake: I hope he's just a scammer and he won't really buy a macbook
mircea_popescu: i imagine he's just trying this strange internet cube in original if inadequate ways.
pankkake: you don't use macbooks to develop, you use macbooks in node.js/ruby on rails/etc. conferences or in starbucks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform odds are you'll see him again, in that other capacity.
pankkake: VitalyChernikov, I suppose you currently have a computer, since you're here
TomServo: I blame mircea_popescu and his donation :P
truffles: i wanted to ask why he came here
KRS1: Vitaly what was it you needed
truffles: krs1 i like cage whats, i dont get it
truffles: once upon a time, he was my fav actor of all time
KRS1: ya he's real good..u has new fav?
truffles: those that produce consistent good work maybe
VitalyChernikov: Peoples, I simple asking help. You do not sistuation when you eant to work and you have no ability! I working and grow children it is both hard. I repeat that i need Macbook for my work.
truffles: VitalyChernikov how come u didnt make this plea in #bitcoin?
VitalyChernikov: Sorry, last message was written with many mistakes because I was hurry.
KRS1: idk who my fav actor is..guess i still like the ones who are too old now
pankkake: wait, you have no ability and no job… but you want to write an android application "for your work"
VitalyChernikov: Peoples, I simple asking help. You do not know sistuation when you want to work and you have no ability! I working and parallely grow children and it is both hard. I repeat that i need Macbook for my work.
KRS1: yep, rodney dangerfield, dan ankroyd, etc.
truffles: VitalyChernikov u didnt answer my question !
KRS1: Isn't there a submission form he should fill out?
truffles: i thought he gave up after avoiding the 1 hour per copypaste
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: do you have a daughter? I'll buy her for 2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 356 @ 0.00086966 = 0.3096 BTC [+]
ozbot: La firma pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
truffles: yea im sure he speaks broken x language :)
KRS1: Vitaly grows children? Show me how this is done.
KRS1: Must look into this.
alystair: how long does it take for an unverified transaction to show up in my wallet?
pankkake: a few seconds unless something is wrong
alystair: someone said they sent me 45000 doges after I paid them with paypal
alystair: but nothing shown up yet... it's been like 20 minutes now
mircea_popescu: alystair a block is about ten minutes, but a wallet should show tx in the pool as unconfirmed
alystair: oh oops, I'm talking in wrong room
punkman: doge's like a block per minute
pankkake: it's easy to resend them too; getrawtransaction <txid>; sendrawtransaction <theresult>
pankkake: so ask him to resend it, or even, give you the raw tx so you can send it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.00099497 = 29.9983 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0029 = 0.1595 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.0027701 = 0.4571 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 236 @ 0.00275 = 0.649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00099498 = 12.5367 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00274 = 0.1233 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00597012 = 0.3463 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00099444 = 23.2202 BTC [-]
deego: God. I hate Naggum. The ultimate troll/flamer. Just because he's dead, people start worshipping him now.
ozbot: Twitter / frolova_nina: @Mircea_Popescu Your help is ...
deego: asciilifeform: Oh, I like lisp, but a complete asshole and a jerk is still a jerk. :)
deego: author of such gems as " do the world a huge favor and commit suicide tonight."
mircea_popescu: deego perhaps unbeknownst to you, you're in a pit where assholes and jerks are properly revered as the kings of all creation. which they are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which brings to mind : redditard wisdom is now that "i edited" the niggers article, because rather than wrap their stupid heads around the fact they couldn't matte rless,
mircea_popescu: claiming the sun set in the east some time last month is a much easier solution.,
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / My name is Vitaly Chernikov, i am 28 years/ my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6311 @ 0.00099444 = 6.2759 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is something otherworldly about the sack of shit that goes "i'll just sit here and pretend, no matter what"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform arguably, the libertard is pissing in his own mouth tho.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. the way it reads to me is more like boys tring to come to terms with questions of hierarchy and submission in an extremely complex environment
mircea_popescu: with the result that the work needed on average exceeds the work anyone's to put in
mircea_popescu: welll... don't they play football in their spare time anymore, these people ? what do they do when they're 15 ?
ozbot: Re: LispWorks Pricing Information from Xanalys - Naggum cll archive
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61500002 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: " What you could do is take this back to the drawing board, declare yourself unfit to make technical decision because of too much personal involvement, and let other people find ways to reach all of your (technical) goals while breaking none of other people's goals and needs. "
mircea_popescu: so then what am i to think of someone who proposes someone else should do what has never happened.
mircea_popescu: maybe naggum should fart magical pie out of his ear that convinces princess diana to learn how to lisp.
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / My name is Vitaly Chernikov, i am 28 years/ my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
mircea_popescu: ok, let's take the final portion. "reach all your goals w/o breaking other people's "needs" ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00099357 = 8.197 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: " Each and every time someone in the Computer Science field has a Bright Idea, the world had better be prepared to adapt, because Here Comes Genius and everything everybody has done needs to be done differently from now on, because This Genius Knows Best."
nubbins`: pankkake i used to work at a place that did .net development, this one dev purchased his own high-end mac workstation and ran windows in a VM to do his coding
pankkake: nubbins`: oh, I've seen similar horrible things
pankkake: *sysadmin* running windows on a mac
nubbins`: he used TimeMachine for version control
nubbins`: all the same, he never had any problems with it
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: entertain us or get out. or at least sell your daugther
nubbins`: every now and then his windows vm got messed up and he'd just fire up a new one
mircea_popescu: " I prefer a society based in the rule of law to groups of eager people with bright ideas who ignore everything that has gone before them." << we now have the definition of the old fart.
nubbins`: SOP for sharepoint development too
nubbins`: way too easy to fuck up your whole install
mircea_popescu: more people would be here saying the same interesting thing
VitalyChernikov: I do not know what to do futher, how start developing and how redistribute my time. I only have time from 4 a.m. to 7 a.m before main job. And after job I there 7 p.m. to 11 p.m. I do home work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00099439 = 8.2534 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i dont see a time window for spamming -assets inthere'
mircea_popescu: yes. gfplug goes in teh front, wifeplug goes in the back.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5197 @ 0.00099357 = 5.1636 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999999 = 0.5 BTC [-]
jurov: VitalyChernikov: what about replacing these fans in your machine?
jurov: and if it's still noisy due to hdd, teach ur wife to bear it
blg: andreesseen is who backed coinbase for 25 million, the author of that article
mircea_popescu: blg well it's nice to see people are coming to terms with it.
blg: yeah Andreessen Horowitz is a very famous VC firm in the silicon valley
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 121 @ 0.04999999 = 6.05 BTC [-]
blg: i have a friend who's company might get backed by them
VitalyChernikov: jurov: It is any way not suitable carrying big PC to kitchen and back. And some times I may work at coworking office out off home
blg: i live in silicon valley
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
ozbot: Andreessen Horowitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
jurov: VitalyChernikov what have fans to do with kitchen? learn englich properly first
jcpham: teespring most recently
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: why does it have to be a macbook?
mircea_popescu: so why would your friend wish to associate himself with the groupon scammers ?
blg: what do you mean scammers?
VitalyChernikov: Because on Macbook you can install both MacOs and Windows 8!
blg: groupon was legit until their CEO ran it in to the groud
mircea_popescu: i mean people who make false statements to collect money from suckers, and then fail to deliver
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00279 = 0.279 BTC [+]
blg: well andreessen exited way before all that
jurov: VitalyChernikov: if you can't fix noisy machine then you won't get a satoshi, i'm afraid
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: both being terrible choices, especially since you pretend you want to write Android applications
blg: how is groupon a scam
pankkake: you pretend to have a job and a wife, yet spend your time begging for 2 BTC?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but it's a little ridiculous that they seem to somehow have constructed a pretend-world where they don't even have to consider what they're doing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61500001 = 1.845 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: blg groupon is a scam in the manner the web start-up circus is a scam. make website with no utility, pretend huge customer base that doesn't exist or is bught, pretend huge growth that doesn't exist or is manufactured,
blg: well groupon should have taken the 6 billion dollar offer from google
blg: that was the mistake of a lifetime there
blg: 3 billion from facebook
blg: suckerberg is a douche i would have loved to see his face though
mircea_popescu: cat-in-the-bag trading may be great comedy, but it's not business.
blg: i have access to the #1 tor exit node
blg: #1 in throughput i mean
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.04999999 = 10 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Visits to Wikipedia had previously risen steadily year-on-year for a decade. Towards the end of the 2012 this trend not only stalled, but went into an unprecedented decline."
mircea_popescu: coincidentally, i also blogged about what a pos it is, about on the same timeline
blg: what alternative do you recommend for wikipedia
pankkake: you're just upset because there is no Wikipedia article about the great Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu: there is no possible alternative. no magic trick will make you be knowledgeable, other than actually being knowledgeable.
mircea_popescu: i recall they wanted a pic and so i licensed some at some point
VitalyChernikov: What i do?? I fucked!! I terrorizу chat instead start working!!
Duffer1: looks like the activeminer pics
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00099586 = 34.5563 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: they're "tweaking boards" but no performance indication
mircea_popescu: pankkake wouldn't it kick ass if the miners actually had non-planar boards
ozbot: Welcome to Instant Rimshot
Namworld: are the cointerra workers 15 or what?
dub: foreground dude looks like rg
Namworld: They could be same family too. "Hey kids, do you want a bigger allowance? Daddy needs help to build fanboxes. It's some sort of weird fetish porn. Some people get excited and throw money at you when you show them fanboxes."
pankkake: needs more miners with fan leds
nanotube: mircea_popescu: nice work on openbsd :)
ozbot: Just-News @ Just-Dice: NO REFUNDS -- NO EXCEPTIONS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.615 = 1.845 BTC [-]
pankkake: yes; after all, it's the most serious altcoin to ever come
mircea_popescu: pankkake look at that, these filthy bitbet scammers taking over the world.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02410416 = 0.5785 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: maybe I should have invested in bitbet after all…
mircea_popescu: this is the internet! on the package in which internet came, it clearly said it's an enjoyable experience.
pankkake: funnily I'm still at a slight loss as an investor
mircea_popescu: the luser has already paid aol 30 bucks, he is E.N.T.I.T.L.E.D. to everything else now
pankkake: the internet failed by not having micropayments early
pankkake: now every website is supposed to sustain itself by advertising
mircea_popescu: the internet failed by not having payment well sorted out BEFORE it allowed undegrads access.
dub: what degrees do you hold again mp?
mircea_popescu: this created 10-15 years of dead air during which every fuckwit ended up with delusions of equality with the class of people who rightfully had free internet everytthing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.615 = 1.845 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but that's besides the point. i have no problem paying for shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00099591 = 18.3247 BTC [+]
dub: tech is more about sucking the right dick
mircea_popescu: i was being sarcastic yo. i did physics before i did philosophy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02579999 = 0.1806 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0241 = 0.482 BTC [-]
dub: corporate life, even in engineering, is more about your network than education
jcpham: dub tell us how you really feel
mircea_popescu: tech as an intellectual pursuit has nothing to do with tech as a job.
mircea_popescu: jobs as organised by people who don't customarily use weaponry would necessarily degenerate in the equivalent of the female chimp flea picking fest.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: NTTAWWT
dub: I thought mp has keyboard tourettes
pankkake: thougt it was a variation of "awww"
pankkake: but that shorthand can be useful, as I'm often to lazy to say the full sentence
mgio: has anyone seen ukyo around recently?
gribble: ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <Ukyo> thats been the promise all along VanCleef
mircea_popescu: did they cover in the end as promised or how did that end up ?
jurov: he's sometimes on #bitfunder or #weex
jurov: and they paid only 2% of that
jurov: the rest is "not accessible"
jurov: even the 2% claims interface has bitcoind outages every now and then
jurov: ukyo always carefully avoids disclosing how
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7253 @ 0.0009927 = 7.2001 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: i'm sorry to hear that man
mgio: thats a buttload of money
mgio: unfortunately it looks like its lawyer time
mgio: its enough moeny that i have no other choice
kakobrekla: well at least you are on the right path, being here.
jurov: mgio, let me know if you do some moves, i can throw something in
mgio: last i heard he still cliams to plan on playing everyone back and even paying all back dividends on ukyo.loan bonds, but he hasn't said anything in a while now
jurov: it's "only" 28btc in it for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00099177 = 14.2815 BTC [-] {2}
dub: vial: sounds like a good summary of the ukyo situ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04900102 = 0.147 BTC [-]
pLambert: is S.MPOE really worth a billion USD?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00099183 = 2.2812 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04870022 = 2.435 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15978 @ 0.00099183 = 15.8475 BTC [+]
pLambert: no, the USG is worth -10 trillion USD, they are in deep debt!
ozbot: User talk:87.98.146.72 - Sons of Anarchy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 88 @ 0.00372 = 0.3274 BTC [-]
pankkake: I fixed a typo with that IP I guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18319 @ 0.00099211 = 18.1745 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the 30 minute thing : maybe time to include some nuclear power.
mircea_popescu: that way you can time even when offline. also good in space.
ozbot: Depleted Cranium » Blog Archive » My Attempt to Import Tritium Key Chains
alystair: I have a few of those actually
alystair: I have one on my key chain, one in my backpack and 3 in a chain on my wall at home so I can be oriented when all lights are off
mircea_popescu: incidentally, most of the us could produce radon gas by the bucket.
alystair: you'd get more damage from the glass shards than the gas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.00274035 = 0.4001 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999998 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00274 = 0.148 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: (generally, a ton of naturally occuring uranium is about 1/3 curie or so)
mgio: you can't even get thorium lantern mantles anymore :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6044 @ 0.00099735 = 6.028 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999998 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00273001 = 0.1911 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999998 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.0027101 = 0.6044 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.04999998 = 0.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 251 @ 0.0027101 = 0.6802 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 206 @ 0.0027101 = 0.5583 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00270025 = 2.7003 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12025 @ 0.00099564 = 11.9726 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04999998 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04999998 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 743 @ 0.0027002 = 2.0062 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 120 @ 0.0008704 = 0.1044 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: wonder what's up with PETA
ozbot: [PRE IPO] Looking for IPO - Attention MPOE MPEX MPOE-PR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00099095 = 65.0063 BTC [-] {6}
Duffer1: he posted in the jimmothy hate fest thread, not sure if serious
copumpkin: I fucking hate the kind of thinking that went into that post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00099085 = 8.8186 BTC [-]
copumpkin: well, it's so widespread that I need to call it something
copumpkin: "I have a random idea. It'll be great! I just need a bunch of people to actually do it now..."
Duffer1: muppetry is a good one i've adopted recently
Duffer1: i got about tree fiddy on it
dub: thats moar like, I had an idea, here take it
copumpkin: let me throw a few million after it too
copumpkin: after all, it'll be worth $100m or more, it's a great investment
dub: I do that all the time
dub: OMG this will change everything I should write it down before I go to slee.. zzz
mircea_popescu: it's more a case of "am i going to say "honey wait just a second i need to jot some words down" and look like a dork or am i going to remember it when i'm done with her ?"
dub: yeah the other one is this is too important to forget.. no wai I'll forget this!
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: he asked for MPOE-PR
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00099085 = 22.096 BTC [-]
Duffer1: ya asking for money from you in the same thread he calls you a "die hard racist" lol
Duffer1: this thread has cheered me up a lot
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is that if a bunch of oldtimers whom we won't name didn't think themselves smarter than me back in 2011, and said no to teh pirate guy when i said no to teh pirate guy,
mircea_popescu: arguably the difficulty exponential has washed all that into irrelevance, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: and i lost count on mnw, is the guy meanwhile scammy or unscammy ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00597012 = 0.1194 BTC [-]
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yay, you're talking about me XD
Azelphur: although amusingly I lost more to butterfly labs than I did to pirateat40
mircea_popescu: Azelphur i'm talkin' about the lot o yuz, but hey. in another year tops it'll be more like good around-the-fire stories
Azelphur: haha, I still tell it like a good around the fire story
Azelphur: between BFL and Pirate, 650 BTC down the drain
dub: did you forget the other great paradigm of the gen-e(ntitled)? Its not crime if I'm on prozac
Azelphur: on the bright side, I'm sitting on ~110 BTC in coin and one massive investment :p
Azelphur: baring in mind I started off broke and in my parents attic, I can't complain.
Azelphur: kakobrekla: nice, I can't beat that, although I do have a 5 BTC doorbell.
mircea_popescu: bearing is what you to to said chicks once you start supporting their body weight.
Duffer1: kakobrekla 1990s honda civic? :P
Azelphur: from back when I was trading I have some hilarious stuff from customers
Duffer1: probably the most valuable reddit ever
Duffer1: i'm curious which car you got for 500 kako
Duffer1: oh you euros and your tiny ass cars wtf
mircea_popescu: i hear vw got its start in business by making window wiper engines for cadillac
mircea_popescu: apparently reddit has decided mpex fee is now 50 btc ? shouldn't i at least be notified ?!
kakobrekla: hey dunno, im the dumb one here apparently.
dub: must be dumb, you couldnt pay me 500btc to take a vw golf
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm curious, what do you think about all this chatter of $10k by the end of the year? XD
dub: no, when it breaks down you can blow me though
Duffer1: actually some of those golfs look pretty sharp
Azelphur: with facebook and others jumping on board, I think it could happen o.O
kakobrekla: see the thing is, its cheaper to fix golf here than your mazda
mircea_popescu: "Why would a stock want to list on mpex for 30btc vs another exchange for much less?"
kakobrekla: any anyway, golf is like a tank, it doesnt like to break
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: btw, do you have to pay 30 BTC to list on top of the registration fee? or is it just the registration fee
mircea_popescu: i hear it's "buy niderauer an eggplant calzone these days,
pankkake: I hear the NYSE is accepting scams
dub: asciilifeform: alaskan pipeline?
mircea_popescu: Azelphur well you gotta have an account to list is all.
dub: ;;ud alaskan pipeline
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: alaskan pipeline
mircea_popescu: for all i care, you can go through a specialist investment banker.
mircea_popescu: but if legitimate stuff came along that legitimately couldn't afford it, im sure the service would pop.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00099714 = 27.5211 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: will eventually happen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
copumpkin: 18`446`744`073`709`502`4640.00099085
copumpkin: (happens to be awfully close to 2^64)
copumpkin: if I were to guess, someone convinced mpex to go negative on an unsigned 64-bit integer
copumpkin: seems like a good time to get a good sell :
pankkake: I don't get this proxy thing, is there no central authority in mpex trading?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic not really, what happens is that a whole shitload of 1s get tacked on to the actual order
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12220 @ 0.00099085 = 12.1082 BTC [-]
copumpkin: is that someone taking advantage of it just now?
pankkake: so there are orders that shouldn't be there? how?!
mircea_popescu: in some circumstances a certain proxy may end up misstating an order in that way.
mircea_popescu: it has to do with what happens once it loses connection but doesn't yet know it has.
mircea_popescu: fixing this has proven itself the most challenging one thing in the history of the exchange so far.
pankkake: that's the thing, I can't wrap my head about how it is designed :)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, heavy load favours it because it strains connections and so disconnects become more likely
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9184 @ 0.00099083 = 9.0998 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: you submit an order with a GUID so you don't end up with duplicates
pankkake: but that accounts for my idea how how things work
pankkake: I thought it was the same order multiple times
mircea_popescu: nah, the order is say buy 5 at 15. the engine says so, the proxy ends up with the idea the order is 99999995 at 15.
pankkake: because two cans and a string!
pankkake: this is a forum dedicated to ponzi scams?!
ozbot: High Frequency Trading with BitCoin
pankkake: but not forums dedicated to being spammed