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autotradefan: What do you think about AUTOTRADE on cryptostocks?
autotradefan: ponzi??
deadweasel: it's unlikely you will make money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08999999 = 0.18 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/1vo71d/the_dogecoin_subreddit_raised_30000_for_the/
ozbot: The dogecoin subreddit raised $30,000 for the Jamaican bobsled team to go to the Olympics. : bestof
kakobrekla: hmm
truffles: wow
kakobrekla: at least they didnt support fbsd or something.
truffles: such humanity out there
KRS1: much love
mircea_popescu: deadweasel lol yw.
mircea_popescu: so openbsd went from being in the red to 100k overnight huh. cool beans.
KRS1: Many thanks mircea_popescu, much appreciated. =]
mircea_popescu: i didn't do nuttin
KRS1: nvm then lol
mircea_popescu: it's all the other copycats
mircea_popescu: google et co.
KRS1: i dont know the details ok
KRS1: ill check now
KRS1: i didnt know Rev. Chris Capuccio was a big contributor. I was a customer of his 15-20 yrs ago for a while.
mircea_popescu: turns out openbsd really is quite popular in all the places that aren't social media.
KRS1: Chris helped me get on board with openssh very early on and I haven't looked back since.
KRS1: At the time I was still using SunOS.
mircea_popescu: is sunos still being maintained ?
benkay: "we won't be one-upped by some no-brand bitcoiner!"
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mircea_popescu: whoa making the billion happen huh
benkay: wow mpoe rallying hard
mircea_popescu: i like all the "no way there is a bitcoin billionaire, brb let me push the stock up"
KRS1: haha thats awesome
benkay: all the 'analysts': 'well mp notionally has some nK BTC' and conveniently disregard mpoe holdings
benkay: s/conveniently disregard/have no idea 'cause derp
KRS1: I think sunOS got brought in by some open sourcers who stripped the licensed shit.
KRS1: such little support for it made it crapware imo
mircea_popescu: the way internet analysticing works is like this : the sun rises. up until noon, hail of posts explaining how it's the moon, the aliens, the weather baloons
mircea_popescu: after noon, hail of post explaining how the author has been always [or at least past six hours] saying the sun was always there and it won't ever set, either.
pankkake: accounting for shares probably bothers some as most of theirs are crap/scams/lost
mircea_popescu: that may be a point, i suppose a good chunk of people hanging on past the three month noob expiration date do so strictly on the basis of insulating their thinking and their memory.
pankkake: but that would be fun to have stats like the forbes top100… I bet you'd see a lot of ups and downs
mircea_popescu: well mike_c seems to be doing some of that.
mircea_popescu: the glbse & successors numbers were pretty fabulous, back in the day someone still thought it's funny
pankkake: it's not focused on people's holdings
mircea_popescu: "A lot of people on the Bitcointalk forums have made educated guesses, the fact is he still works on his business and charges for subscription to his blog, I doubt he has amassed the largest stash of Bitcoins in the world."
pankkake: rags-to-riches-to-rags
mircea_popescu: gotta like people.
benkay: mircea_popescu u don't work
pankkake: yes, bill gates probably isn't a billionnaire
mircea_popescu: there should be a special department of ibiza, aruba and whatever, attached to the irs.
decimation: re:sunos see the openindiana project http://openindiana.org
mircea_popescu: if your tax return exceed the official "has made it figure", they send you your moving papers.
mircea_popescu: benkay yes, but I CHARGE, which is almost as bad.
mircea_popescu: decimation aha ?
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pankkake: OpenIndinia is the open source fork of Solaris, but Solaris is still maintained by Oracle, as closed source
decimation: yeah
decimation: for background see this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc
decimation: there are excellent quotes in there
benkay: then transcribe them
benkay: videos have the worst s/n ratio on the internet
benkay: well reddit may be worse
decimation: "it is a mistake to anthropromorphize larry ellison"
mircea_popescu: o wait, sunos IS solaris isn't it
mircea_popescu: they just rebranded it some time ago
pankkake: decimation: lol
mircea_popescu: haha
benkay: wow whole table is lolling, decimation
benkay: oh god it's an hour long
benkay: keep the quotes coming!
KRS1: mircea_popescu- yes solaris
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KRS1: even though it was rebranded login still looked like:
KRS1: SunOS [ver]
KRS1: Login:
KRS1: Sun's CDE looked like something from Fisher Price
mircea_popescu: i suppose since everyone linked my twitter i should fish out a password for that account huh
pankkake: a bit like altcoins, they often miss Bitcoins to rename
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decimation: The upshot of the video is that the smart kernel developers working for Sun spent years arranging to open source the entire codebase
decimation: when Oracle bought them, Larry promptly closed everything. The stuff that had already been open (under the Sun Community License) remained in the open.
decimation: The "illumos" project picked it up and made it work, "openindiana" is a distribution based on that
decimation: I guess if you want a working implementation of zfs, that's what you need to use
Diablo-D3: yeah but the problem is
Diablo-D3: no open source impl of zfs
Diablo-D3: does encryption yet
Diablo-D3: decimation: and you're also still wrong
KRS1: imp the fruits of the open source efforts was derpy
Diablo-D3: the zfs on linux project uses the same source code as illumos
Diablo-D3: they all joined together to fork zfs away from oracle, since oracle is making changes just to be incompatible not to be useful
decimation: Redhat has released 'btrfs' in its 7.0 beta release
decimation: I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole
Diablo-D3: I use btrfs
Diablo-D3: I actually switched to btrfs from zfs
Diablo-D3: for small arrays its fine
decimation: I guess. I'm not sure it's ready for production
pankkake: I like btrfs' smart compression system; if the file doesn't look compressible it stops trying
Diablo-D3: it is, it just depends entirely what features you need
Diablo-D3: pankkake: which is stupid because lz4 already does that
pankkake: oh?
decimation: at 35:15 "What you think of Oracle is even 'truer' than you think it is."
Diablo-D3: and zfs has had lz4 for ages
pankkake: well lz4 wasn't an option when it was introduced
Diablo-D3: pankkake: it STILL doesnt have lz4
Diablo-D3: which pisses me off
Diablo-D3: lz4 is faster than btrfs + early fail
Diablo-D3: no matter if you use gzip or lzo
pankkake: oh right, patches exists but not merged or something
Diablo-D3: yeah
Diablo-D3: btrfs also lacks built in ssd caching support
Diablo-D3: ie, no zil or l2arc
Diablo-D3: it also doesnt support high complexity arrays
Diablo-D3: problem is
Diablo-D3: you cant boot ZoL on debian yet
decimation: "There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle."
pankkake: I guess you can use bcache with it
mircea_popescu: lol
Diablo-D3: decimation: false. the roman empire.
Diablo-D3: pankkake: yes, and I can also use mdcrypt, but thats fucktarded
mircea_popescu: this log will be useful the next time the clueless start-up ceo knowitall starts namedropping tech stuff.
Diablo-D3: pankkake: the whole point of using zfs is that this stuff is built in the correct way
pankkake: yeah
Diablo-D3: I wish ZoL would add encryption
Diablo-D3: even if its not compatible with oracle's impl
pankkake: it's not on freebsd either right?
Diablo-D3: because I simply dont give a fuck about oracle's impl, its no longer compatible with zfs
Diablo-D3: zfs is more than just code, its a standardization
Diablo-D3: oracle refuses to add to the spec their changes
Diablo-D3: so they've been locked out of zfs development
Diablo-D3: morons
Diablo-D3: pankkake: fbsd uses the same zfs code as everyone else
decimation: "Larry Ellison has been involved with two philanthropic organizations: first he made a 500 or 300 million dollar donation to Stanford. Oh, that sounds good. ... in exchange for not admitting wrongdoing in an options backdating scandal"
pankkake: eh… I wonder which is the most popular zfs OS now
Diablo-D3: pankkake: most likely linux
Diablo-D3: most solaris shops are dying out and switching to linux
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decimation: "and then, all other philanthropic work is to Larry Ellison's Institute for the Prolonging Of Life ... namely his"
pankkake: even when freebsd offers more "official" support?
Diablo-D3: fbsd isnt any more official
Diablo-D3: its the same code base.
Diablo-D3: its maintained by that zfs organization Im forgetting the name of
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Diablo-D3: the one that was jointly started by ZoL, fbsd zfs, and illumos
pankkake: oh
pankkake: so not so much duplicated work
Diablo-D3: exactly, and also for compatibility
Diablo-D3: only solaris is no longer compatible with zfs
decimation: Diablo, is there a relationship between those people and the btrfs people?
pankkake: haha
Diablo-D3: which is ironic seeing as zfs started on solaris
Diablo-D3: decimation: no.
Diablo-D3: decimation: btrfs was started by oracle to kill zfs
Diablo-D3: but then oracle bought sun
Diablo-D3: and tried to merge the btrfs and zfs teams
pankkake: "sun had a political model like somalia"
Diablo-D3: and failed
Diablo-D3: oracle has an internal solaris version that can natively boot btrfs and supports all the solarisy zfs shit on btrfs
Diablo-D3: like, solaris containers running on a btrfs snapshot, etc
Diablo-D3: and can live convert low complexity zfs (ie, no features btrfs doesnt support) pools to btrfs
Diablo-D3: they never released it to public
Diablo-D3: and all their btrfs people left to other companies
mircea_popescu: all this hero talk reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZVac0GnZ9g#t=263
decimation: I donno. I think the Google model has shown that's it's probably better to run many dedicated servers and do your file redundancy/synchronization at the application layer.
benkay: decimation: what's the timestamp for the options-backdating thinger?
decimation: around 37:32
mircea_popescu: benkay http://jurist.org/forum/2006/11/criminal-excess-backdating-stock.php
benkay: mircea_popescu decimation: can either of you help me source the donation to stanford claim?
mircea_popescu: what part ? that he donated some dough to stanford ?
benkay: nevermind.
decimation: according to his wikipedia page it appears it was part of a settlement of some kind
benkay: amazing
benkay: corruption is what people without access to the levers of power call access to the lever of powers
benkay: levers* power*
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decimation: speaking of the ruination that fiat finance brings to everything, here's Philip Greenspun on prices back in in the 1890's
decimation: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/01/18/prices-back-in-the-old-days/
mircea_popescu: a point not nearly made often enough.
ozbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Prices back in the old days
decimation: ?In 1890, professors salaries [at Amherst College] were $ 2,500, more than twenty times tuition. The step up from laborer to professor was immense, for the average wage earner in 1890 earned $425 a year. ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes. obvious stuff like "the us was made great BY inequality and was rendered pitiful BY equality"
decimation: Hugh Hendry has made the point that China is screwed because its industrialization is taking place under a fiat regime, wheras the US was industrialized under a more-or-less gold standard
decimation: His thesis is that this has led to massive overproduction by China to game the large aggregate economic figures
mircea_popescu: there is definitely some truth to that
mircea_popescu: and perhaps merit to the fiat corruption theory.
mircea_popescu: ie, you can never get rich under a fiat system, all you can do is become poor. it's at least the consensus of pre-fiat economists everywhere.
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mircea_popescu: a little from the lulz department :
mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/AyuZai5
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
pankkake: lol
mircea_popescu: five minutes ago i didn't even know that site existed. oh internets.
pankkake: but don't worry, you also just made a friend http://pastebin.com/0nuK25es
decimation: LoL. Would you consider yourself to be libertarian, Mircea?
pankkake: https://linuxfr.org/users/thom/journaux/nourrir-les-vaches-openbsd-a-recu-des-fonds was mostly about how bitcoin isn't money and how it's bad to make money with money
mircea_popescu: decimation that'd depend. i'm not a us citizen, so perhaps is like asking me if i'm a christian democrat
mircea_popescu: ;
mircea_popescu: pankkake so logically, if bitcoin isn't money and it's bad to make money with money, then bitcoin is good ?
pankkake: that wasn't in the same argument, but well
decimation: Yeah. In the US, "libertarian" means "someone who doesn't vote for either Democrats or Republicans."
mircea_popescu: well that'd be me then, i never voted.
mircea_popescu: pankkake i kinda liked the guy with the "funny how openbsd elec bill is paid by the result of bitcoin mining"
pankkake: hehe yeah
decimation: It's probably only a matter of time until US citizenship is bestowed upon everyone who is a citizen of the "international community"
mircea_popescu: that matter of time will have to wait for after i'm dead.
decimation: probably.
KRS1: lol <nostrich> ppl saying their wallets are empty on cryptsy now omg
decimation: it would be hilarious if people are stealing dogecoin
pankkake: I think it happened already
mircea_popescu: wait cryptsy is still a thing ?!
KRS1: yes, it is still shit.
pankkake: why wouldn't it, they have billions of altcoins there
pankkake: as long as altcoins will be a thing…
pankkake: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/12/26/virtual-currency-dogecoin-suffers-first-hack-as-13000-is-stolen-from-an-online-wallet-service/
ozbot: Dogecoin Hacker Makes Off With $13,000
KRS1: thats like stealing pennis..why not take the good stuff.
KRS1: pennies
dub: stealing wat
Duffer1: hehe
quellhorst: i'm sorry your pennis got stolen :(
mircea_popescu: wait 13k dogecoins are worth something ?
mircea_popescu: what's the rate, anyone know offhand ?
quellhorst: http://coinmarketcap.com/
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripples Litecoin Peercoin Nxt MasterCoin DogeCoin N
KRS1: enough shit it becomes maneur..enough maneur becomes fertilizer...someone will pay for a lot of crap.
quellhorst: doge sure is growing fast
Duffer1: 185 satoshi
quellhorst: 100% in the past 7 days
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418450.0 Bitcoin 44%, Dogecoin 28%, Litecoin a measly 14%
KRS1: cant wait to hear stories of the bagholders
ozbot: [Research Study] Your First Crypto Coin
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.0015* 13000
gribble: 19.5
mircea_popescu: so someone stole... twenny bux ?!
quellhorst: lol
pankkake: article mentions $13,000
pankkake: so, in USD
quellhorst: i have my doubts
mircea_popescu: but wait
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 13000 / 0.0015
gribble: 8666666.66667
mircea_popescu: someone stole all the dogecoin ?
quellhorst: yeah like 9 million dog coins
mircea_popescu: it couldn't have possibly mined 8mn in the 6 weeks it was alive
mircea_popescu: does it do like 1k blocks or something ?
quellhorst: there are 32 billion dog coins
mircea_popescu: uh
quellhorst: mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: so really, the correct figure is more like 0.0000015
quellhorst: As of January 13, 2014, 28% of the 100 billion total dogecoins have been mined
mircea_popescu: ic
mircea_popescu: looky, there's 80 altchains onthat page.
pankkake: and theres at least 3× more active
mircea_popescu: pankkake how many of those are due to your evil ?
pankkake: just one, but people are still mining it
mircea_popescu: wait. the claim is that doge mkt cap > 2x ltc mkt cap ?
mircea_popescu: ahahahahaha
pankkake: no
mircea_popescu: in what alternative universe lmao
mircea_popescu: um am i reading it wrong ?
mircea_popescu: o o yeah i was looking at volume nm
quellhorst: http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/17/technology/yahoo-golden-parachute/index.html $60 million severance after 18 months
ozbot: Golden parachute for fired Yahoo executive may be record breaker - Jan. 17, 2014
pankkake: bernankoin claims it though, since there has been one transaction at 1BEK=1USD
mircea_popescu: lol 2bn worth of ripples. okay, that's even funnier.
quellhorst: yahoo should have sold to microsoft :(
quellhorst: fucking idiots
mircea_popescu: wow they firede her ?!
quellhorst: lol, no
quellhorst: they fired someone she hired
quellhorst: eventually people will figure she is also the wrong person for the job
mircea_popescu: so who does she even hire
mircea_popescu: i don't know there's any coo willing to work at yahoo, unless you end up taking twitter experts or something
knotwork: I think I might finally have a usable idea for something to float as an asset.
mircea_popescu: blow us away.
decimation: I wonder how many people automatically invest in Yahoo every week by virtue of their listing on the S&P 500
knotwork: For half a million Canadian or less I can get an ex military base with full backup power and surveillance and electric alarms fence and keypad operated gates and 60ft or so sattelite dish (the kind inside a geodesic dome with tracking engines etc to track a satelite)
benkay: (or less!)
knotwork: four crew quarters for live in crew, full raised floors etc etc for all computer rooms, and on and on like that
knotwork: Or less, yes. I was supposed to sell for 500k CAD but financing of the buyer fell through
asciilifeform: knotwork: why so cheap? arctic circle?
decimation: sounds like an ideal evil lair
quellhorst: mircea_popescu: you sell the damn company
knotwork: Near Wentworth in Nova Scotia, ex NATO site
quellhorst: she doesn't hire anyone
quellhorst: but of course she won't do that, she thinks she can make a better google
knotwork: Only 4.5 acres not like an army base wit barracks
quellhorst: she basically got demoted at google before the yahoo job
mircea_popescu: decimation the acid drip
knotwork: It does sound like an idea evil lair thats why I thought it might be worth looking into going in with some people to get it
asciilifeform: these are sometimes sold in the u.s., but are typically gutted when put on the market.
asciilifeform: nothing in the old missile shafts really works correctly
decimation: It might be an old Nike site
knotwork: this is not gutted, the generators all work the survellance all works the gates etc etc
mircea_popescu: knotwork well yes but have you ever run a dc before ?
knotwork: I thought the bitcoins in sapce project could maybe transmit to its sattelite from there for example
the20year1: knotwork: where in canada? How much land?
knotwork: I ran an ISP here in Halifax
the20year1: guess if i would have read through i could of found my answers
knotwork: Its the sattelite dish and the huge ackaup power room with all the knobs and dials and such i am not so sure how to operate
mircea_popescu: well turn them all one at a time :D
knotwork: I was thinmking it could offer hosting for miners for example as one use for it. I'd want to put solar panels all over it and windmills its in mountainous area (there is ski-ing up in that part of Nova Scotia thought not year-round at least not with natural snow) so should be good for wind
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knotwork: So I figured one would want to spend at least as much fillign it with miners or whatever as one spends on buying the facility itself
knotwork: owner is eager to sell but I dont know how low one could talk them down too, plus who knows someone else mgiht put in an offer though it sounds like no one has yet
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knotwork: or if they have maybe its too lowball
mircea_popescu: o, it's not like a state auction ?
knotwork: Presumably not an auction no. It cost 8million to build in 1983 so maybe it was auctioned and the buyer who bid the half mill financing fell through
mircea_popescu: aha
knotwork: mircea I can give you confidentially the full brochure URLs but I dont want to give that to snipers they might have gleaned enough info already to snipe it
the20year1: sounds fun
the20year1: although i don't know how you could cashflow or make money off it
knotwork: Personally half a mill is too large a percent of my wealth to want to blow it all on one investment especially since I except bitcoins will appreciate faster than it will
the20year1: I'd rather continue to buy mid-ohio dumps
mircea_popescu: well they're not useful to me, i don't much care for real estate and i know nothing at all of that market.
mircea_popescu: maybe one of the miners/pools/asic producers is looking for space.
decimation: sounds like this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Satellite_Ground_Terminal_Folly_Lake
knotwork: see someone found the site already yes the folly lake site is for sale
the20year1: i've got a backup bid on a nice property here that was at auction Saturday - 2br 1ba , two, two car garages, $16k
knotwork: oh it says the dish is 45 ft the seller must have meant the geodesic it is in is the 60 ft
knotwork: the whole main building is mil spec radio-shielded
knotwork: there must be some radical bitcoin miners who will like the idea of hosting in an EMP-hardended datacente
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mircea_popescu: mining via satellite uplink is hella expensive.
benkay: most are more interested in profit margins than emotional siting
knotwork: the sattelite dish is a conundrum what to do with, yes. Maybe just sell that off and use the geodesic for something else
benkay: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcltyjKDlU1qbwslto1_500.jpg
knotwork: unless bitcoins in space could find use for it
benkay: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1eu9xpkOt1robyj0o1_1280.jpg
Duffer1: why would you sell the dish that's the best part
nubbins`: where's wentworth located in NS?
Duffer1: it's not a supervillain layer without it
decimation: probably because it's broken
knotwork: well maybe we can hack sattelites with the disk
knotwork: dish
asciilifeform: btc over shortwave!
decimation: actually btc might work on shortwave
asciilifeform: good place for the transmitter?
nubbins`: knotwork, any environmental damage? chem/oil spills etc?
nubbins`: old military bases sometimes leave messes
asciilifeform: you don't need a princely mil-sup estate for a radio station, though.
knotwork: the external diesel fuel tanks were removed either to prevent env damage or maybe because they saw it coming if they were left to rot wihle the building was not in use
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decimation: sounds like a few hundred $ in cleanup costs alone
decimation: hundred thousand $ I mean
asciilifeform: does it come with the legal permit to hang around in canada?
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: or is that sold separately
knotwork: Yeah but a princely mil-spec estate is a nice thing for any bitcoin millionaire to have, its just I am not quite ready to buy it all by myself yet.
knotwork: maybe next month when bitcoins are $2000+ if its still available I might go for it alone
asciilifeform: knotwork: but why would he put it in a '5 eye' country?
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: 'pentagram of evil'
benkay: 5 eye?
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knotwork: I live in a 5 eye country and am a citzen of another (a Brit living in Canada)
asciilifeform: 'UKUSA treaty'
nubbins`: benkay: usa, canada, uk, australia, uh...
nubbins`: new zealand?
knotwork: https://www.google.com/search?q=Reteif+five+eyed+little+sticky-fingers
knotwork: https://www.google.com/search?q=Retief+five+eyed+little+sticky-fingers
nubbins`: essentially the Cabal of Whitey
knotwork: yeah I am white too
mircea_popescu: i tell you tho, real estate is a professional line, like any other.
mircea_popescu: running a dc is a technical line, also.
mircea_popescu: you don't just start doing either.
the20year1: you guys should buy some rentals in Ohio
the20year1: the ultimate real estate experience
knotwork: Running a DC is something I can do, its just an ISP writ large
nubbins`: i've already got enough experience to keep me busy without owning something in another country ;p
mircea_popescu: i mean all through late 2000s average folk figured they're in real estate, "honey the house made more than i did this week",
mircea_popescu: but it didn't overall end wel lfor them.
KRS1: 1 1/2 to 2 hour wait for Papa John's pizza delivery wtf.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00099376 = 10.037 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: knotwork then perhaps the right move is to partner with a bank, take a loan at a decent rate if possible, pad your costs and buy extra miners.
mircea_popescu: KRS1 this is the time of day the delivery boys are fucking the pizzaiolo gals.
knotwork: Yeah maybe the best way is to figure princely estates are not intended to be investments, so go for a mortgage instead of making it an investment corp of any type
mircea_popescu: right in the dough!
knotwork: no bank will give me a mortgage, they dont count bitcoins as collateral
mircea_popescu: knotwork if you wish to run the dc then you definitely want to bring a real estate/finance type on your team.
mircea_popescu: but the purchase itself can be collateralized.
knotwork: I could lock up 500+ bitcoins as collateral
KRS1: mircea_popescu: i live in south florida, where many consider ground zero for the banking/real estate fuck. I can tell you some horror stories. One scenario I like is the guy who makes $35K a year who bought a $350K house who now lives in a slum apartment with ruined credit.
knotwork: 600+
knotwork: whatever
mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of such deals then you must have the credit and connections already which'd allow you to pick up a mil or two on something under 5% a year on the basis of you putting up a quarter of the cost or less in cash.
knotwork: I just dont want to spend 500 to 600 bitcoins this soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00098889 = 25.4145 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: at the risk of opening the door to the cold wind of reality: what's the business model?
nubbins`: brrr, just got a chill
nubbins`: did someone just open a door?
asciilifeform: build a data house where you're stuck with $1/MB dish for isp?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00099397 = 51.587 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: KRS1 i can top that : all through the late 2000s, a coupla banks here sold suckers house loans denominated in swiss francs, on the premise they were ~1% cheaper interest. this, after fees and all, amounted to maybe 500 bucks saved.
mircea_popescu: then the franc went up 2x.
nubbins`: relevant cohen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SgC42_qdjs
knotwork: well the model that is causing me to not want to spend that many bitcoins this soon is I expect half a mill worth of today bitcoins to be five mill quite soon, likely sooner than many folk expect
asciilifeform: what goes in #2, in the canonical 2) ??? 3) profit!
mircea_popescu: knotwork if that's the entire plan you seem better off laying out some btc on the 10k bet than buying ex-military facilities.
nubbins`: heh, ^
knotwork: right now I am making more just doing stupid filling of orderbooks with lowballs buy offers and highball sell offers than anything else I have been doing
knotwork: what 10k bet?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/
ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
KRS1: I truely believe in Dariwnism at work in finance.
decimation: knotwork, it's hard to imagine any business model denominated in fiat that will beat your "model"
decimation: if bitcoin is still on an upward climb, than it's probably better to hold
knotwork: I am not convinced the place will still be available by the time that bet is settled
mircea_popescu: related : http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-ever.png
decimation: that's exactly the kind of reason not to get into an investment
knotwork: I want the place when I have more bitcoins than I have right now but by then it might not still be available, basically
mircea_popescu: so who cares, basically ?
mircea_popescu: by the time you have more bitcoin you can buy a larger place
decimation: what if divest a few hundred btc and now have an ex-military dump?
mircea_popescu: does it have to be this one ?
knotwork: <decimation> that's exactly the kind of reason not to get into an investment --> that is why my thinking changed since arriving here from get investors to its a princely estate not an investment I just dont want to let go that many bitcoins this soon
asciilifeform: buy a submarine instead.
decimation: so you are looking for greater fools then
KRS1: I dont mind if a pizza guy has to get laid, as long as its not near my pizza.
asciilifeform: as discussed 3 days ago.
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjch8W8dW1qfo740o1_1280.jpg
knotwork: Hmm okay maybe I should try to research how often places this interesting come available
the20year1: The increase in btc value certainly doesn't help me too much
mircea_popescu: well, let's put it this way : canada is running on a deficit. eventually the whole shebang will go up on auction.
dub: buy your own island in panama for less
knotwork: its also true that if bitcoins skyrockets a lot I wont care if a place is a steal or not I will just pay high to get what I want "at any price" kind of thing
mircea_popescu: wait a few years, buy her majesty's lieutenant general's children.
dub: or likely many many nicer places than a freezing shithole in moosecock territory
mircea_popescu: dub but he lives there already.
knotwork: are the Lt-Gen's children cute?
mircea_popescu: he saves on plane tickets this way.
mircea_popescu: knotwork well you can also buy a plastic surgeon
decimation: I think the bitcoin talk forum is where you want to go if you are looking for greater fools
knotwork: Ah but here I get much better perspective on the whole thing
mircea_popescu: "neet perspective ? talk to an ashhole."
dub: http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/captain-willys-caye-belize
mircea_popescu: dub you and the fucking global warming huts.
kakobrekla: a strong tide and your are out of land to stand on
mircea_popescu: how high's the water, kako...
knotwork: I dont want something with lots of power so I can do lots of mining, and with lots of room for solar and wind. water power would be nice too but I havent seen anything good with water power potential yet
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decimation: or you could be living next to John McAfee and be murdered
knotwork: I do want something with ltos of power I mean
the20year1: an island you have a shot at tidal
kakobrekla: tidal washing?
mircea_popescu: mcafee got mordored ?!
the20year1: Tidal power
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knotwork: Not sure I want an island, I can get seasick just on the PEI ferry
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah, his neighbour (supposedly!) did.
decimation: no, he is allegedly the murderer
mircea_popescu: nowai, he's all tough and shit http://cdni.wired.co.uk/620x413/k_n/McAfee.jpg
dub: easy to fix seasickness
mircea_popescu: drink ?
decimation: That's why Intel now calls it "Intel Security" instead of "McAfee anti-virus"
dub: two ways, tactical and strategic
dub: tactical, smoke weed = instafix
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this story reminds me of the sad story of some weirdo pua guy. in 2010 i said something like "if you date this guy you have good chances to end up shot in the face, because he is going to shoot someone in the face". in 2011 he was booked on charges of
dub: the other is to subject yourself to it for a week or more
mircea_popescu: having shot some woman in the jaw
asciilifeform: decimation: mcaffee claimed, in an interview, that he's been demanding that his name be taken off the crapware for a decade now.
decimation: lol
nubbins`: dub, i tactically smoke weed for this very reason
nubbins`: if i don't, i might get seasick
decimation: except:
decimation: http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/08/technology/john-mcafee/
dub: can't fault that stoner logic
mircea_popescu: does weed give you sea sickness in the desert to even things out ?
knotwork: I am also looking at http://www.valj.com/index.php?mact=VAN,cntnt01,default,1&cntnt01category=comm&cntnt01inc=A&cntnt01listid=4456&cntnt01returnid=60&p=60 and http://annapolis.kijiji.ca/c-real-estate-other-Price-reduced-Farm-for-sale-homestead-self-reliant-possible-W0QQAdIdZ512786311 which are prices I am not so loath to spend right now
decimation: He said Intel lost a great marketing opportunity when he was being chased through the jungles of Central America. Instead of shying away from the McAfee name, Intel should have leveraged press about his misadventures and taken a more edgy approach.
decimation: "Roll with it. Hire a creative marketing team and see what you can do with this," he said. Executives should have asked, "How can we do creative marketing to change Intel from a staid, stodgy company to a shaker and mover?"
ozbot: John McAfee escaped police and lost his fortune. Now he's enjoying art in Canada. - Jan. 8, 2014
mircea_popescu: intel wants to be edgy about as much as i want to be politically correct.
mircea_popescu: what nonsense is this!
asciilifeform: time for usg to rename its organs in line with the new 'soviet' reality
asciilifeform: intel -> 'dept. of microprocessors'
decimation: Maybe McAfee will buy your military base, now that he is allowed to reside in Canada, apparently
asciilifeform: microshaft -> 'dept. of software'
kakobrekla: knotwork you want a chocholate bar or a chocholate factory?
dub: turns out there are hundreds of islands for under $500k in canada
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: you can't smoke weed in the desert, it's too hot
pankkake: I want oompa loompas
decimation: NYT -> dept. of journalism
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asciilifeform: ministry of trooth.
mircea_popescu: "He added that for his own security he has other people buy his computer equipment for him, uses pseudonyms for setting up computers and logging in, and changes his IP address several times a day.["
mircea_popescu: wikipedia rocks, seriously now.
mircea_popescu: i too use pseudonyms when logging in.
knotwork: I dont want to run out of space or power for my datacentre that I want to have
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: fun fact, nubbins` is not my birth name
pankkake: "changes his IP" lol
kakobrekla: chocolate cake then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your mastery of newspeak it doubleplus shitty, comrade.
mircea_popescu: "department of see computer run"
asciilifeform: not my forte, truly.
nubbins`: dept of thinkboxthink
knotwork: right now I am putting in a 400 amp hookup in my country-house but but that is now going to be done as a "home business" in which I will purportedly only use 25% of the house for business
the20year1: only 400a?
mircea_popescu: also department of reboot
nubbins`: home business is the way to go
knotwork: as to make it commercial I would need wheelshair ramps, parking for however many customers/staff and on like that
mircea_popescu: knotwork do you have 4 bathrooms ?
knotwork: no I have no bath at all yet that is part of what is currently being installed in the house
asciilifeform: 100 amps per?
mircea_popescu: pankkake shitty isp, best security.
kakobrekla: knotwork running dc is not worth it if not on LARGE scale
mircea_popescu: canadian definitions of a "house" continue to amaze.
pankkake: shitty isp would have to lose its logs
mircea_popescu: so what's a barn over there ?
pankkake: but very very good isps know how to lose logs too :)
kakobrekla: bunker being small.
asciilifeform: lose logs, upstream isp 'forgets to lose' his - or comes up with new ones as needed.
asciilifeform: as if this saved anyone
knotwork: Open Transactions is deisgned to work without transaction-history (logs? what logs?) but legal quagmire around that is probably quite a quagmire
knotwork: But I do not want to put anything that has private keys in any third party datacentre
asciilifeform: stego example
knotwork: Otherwise the keys are in essence not private
asciilifeform: there are 'isp' that deal /only/ in... electric meter readings.
kakobrekla: yeah but then you dont need a wheelstair ramp.
asciilifeform: all of your data had better look like a plausible meter figure.
the20year1: broadband over electric line, yeah
knotwork: meters can be read by sattelite nowadays
asciilifeform: and the challenge is on the enemy to determine that it isn't.
the20year1: Our local power co-op did all the work to do broadband over lines...they're the only one that uses it
asciilifeform: (not to be confused with data-over-powerline)
asciilifeform: at least, around here the meters use 'gsm'
asciilifeform: just an example of 'clean isp'
asciilifeform: (and now that we said it, it cannot be used.)
the20year1: i think they ended up figuring like $25/mo for 768kbps for a residential user
knotwork: mircea_popescu, a canadian house: https://www.google.com/search?q=igloo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
asciilifeform: this is like those 'how to hide from customs' books.
asciilifeform: if read literally, it can only be a guide for what not to do.
decimation: I thought the smart meters used some kind of mesh network
knotwork: of course in the old days we lived in shoeboxes in the middle of the gutters
asciilifeform: not here. just cell grid.
kakobrekla: shoebox? you were lucky.
dub: luxury
knotwork: mircea_popescu, how/where do you host MPOE? how many techies guards gosh knows what have access to the hardware?
mircea_popescu: yes.
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: "Vice accidentally gave away his location at a Guatemalan resort in early December 2012, when a photo taken by one of its journalists accompanying McAfee was posted with the Exif geolocation metadata still attached." cute.
knotwork: do you keep the private keys at your own site and all the third party places have to call home any time something needing the key happens?
decimation: supposedly McAfee was disguised, but then wen to talk with the media
dub: he has an army of amazonian bbw's guarding his shit
decimation: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9688101/John-McAfee-disguised-as-Guatemalan-street-hawker-with-a-limp.html
ozbot: John McAfee 'disguised as Guatemalan street hawker with a limp' - Telegraph
mircea_popescu: "Everything I owned was in Belize. I left with nothing in my pocket," he said.
mircea_popescu: seems improbable.
mircea_popescu: the bbw amazons i mean.
mircea_popescu: besides, he's working on biopics. that's a sure sign of desperation.
KRS1: wow pizza here already
KRS1: I'm gonna call them, they told me it would be 1-2 hrs damnit.
the20year1: yay
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/9d9bae8644c0a20469c55d8e3abb5df7/tumblr_mnwjpdMA1q1rjvhtio1_500.jpg << in case you ever wondered how the french made all those metal fence patterns
kakobrekla: lol
KRS1: those girls can be lots of fun
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/be34e69bbbc721e43e03eb10626f26a9/tumblr_mow5yf3J0a1ru15g3o1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: liek.
kakobrekla: well, they certanly are lots of something.
kakobrekla: the boobs are odd.
KRS1: shes not bad..bbw goes downhill from there.
mircea_popescu: could do with more muscle.
mircea_popescu: anyone got a better pars-pro-toto representative for marxism than Althusser ?
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/harbour-grace-cathedral-found-to-be-worthless-1.2503309
ozbot: Harbour Grace cathedral found to be worthless - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: Altus Group found that the building currently has a market value of zero.
nubbins`: fuck a military base
nubbins`: hahaha, this:
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/judge-to-decide-if-kenny-green-broke-bail-1.2503764
ozbot: Judge to decide if Kenny Green broke bail - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: guy gets out on bail, condition is not to enter a licensed drinking establishment
nubbins`: is arrested exiting a jungle-themed family restaurant that happens to serve booze
mircea_popescu: how would someone know what's a licensed pub ?
mircea_popescu: i could license my garage if i wanted.
nubbins`: well, exactly
nubbins`: anyway, the murder this guy is accused of committing took place about 50 meters southeast of my house
nubbins`: the victim's grave was dug up a couple of days after burial
nubbins`: and this kenny green guy was accused of trying to break out of the psych hospital while being held there for some sort of examination
dub: some next level retardation in #dogecoin
mircea_popescu: maybne they only had tequilla and it's not agreeing with him
nubbins`: some blue colors in the sky
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: dub summary ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00098635 = 15.4857 BTC [-] {2}
dub: theres no words really
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [+]
nubbins`: to the aooooooooooooooon
mircea_popescu: "i had sex with urmom and she was saying all along, doge! upupup!" ?
knotwork: There was some guy in the investments section of bitcointalk (also probably known as the greater fool section) who wanted to do a whole ten million USD datacentre with solar and such I cant recall who that was
mircea_popescu: you don't mean in like early 2012 ?!
knotwork: maybe yeah
knotwork: he mismanaged the shares thing and mybe also got screwed when that Irish guy's "exchange" flew by night
mircea_popescu: you mean like... dmc ?
knotwork: I think his nick was longer than that? not death and taxes but thats who I always tended to confuse him with
mircea_popescu: i don't know dt ever did mismanage anything.
knotwork: yeah exactly
mircea_popescu: it'd be Diablo-D3, teh glbse asset was dmc
knotwork: but I think death and taxes nick was what kept the other guys nick from sticking in my long term memory
knotwork: Diablo yes that it no idea what I'd confuse that with death, maybe its a death and the devil thing
nubbins`: ;;seen Diablo-D3
gribble: Diablo-D3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <Diablo-D3> and all their btrfs people left to other companies
nubbins`: datacentre with solar
knotwork: oh good maybe he wont read the backscroll and will turn out to be a great fool :D
knotwork: greater
knotwork: I thought maybe I'd found just what he was looking for but at a cheaper price
knotwork: and in proobably decent place for wind power
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knotwork: maybe even water though it doesnt mention any brooks etc in the stuff I have read about the place
knotwork: but it is said to be in mountain area
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure you need a permit to dam running water, even in canada.
mircea_popescu: possibly not for wind, but i'd check if i were you.
knotwork: I wasnt thinking of a dam but even just a little thing you sink into the water might be all kinds of regulation apparently yeah
Diablo-D3: who'd what be me?
Diablo-D3: someone rang?
Diablo-D3: knotwork:
knotwork: some guy on bitcointalk has pics of a tiny little trickly he gets power from
mircea_popescu: what, you building the first ever megawatt yoyo ?
nubbins`: re: permits, generally that would be a provincial responsibility, not federal
knotwork: Yeah Diablo I saw a piece of real estate I thought might be great for the kind of data centre you once wanted to do
Diablo-D3: [11:13:26] <knotwork> There was some guy in the investments section of bitcointalk (also probably known as the greater fool section) who wanted to do a whole ten million USD datacentre with solar and such I cant recall who that was
Diablo-D3: that'd be me
Diablo-D3: I'm funding this shit myself now
Diablo-D3: I gave up on bitcoin funding
Diablo-D3: its a fucking peanut gallery in there
Diablo-D3: a bunch of fuckwits that know nothing about running a company
Diablo-D3: so I shut down DMC and just went my own way
knotwork: still want to do a datacentre though? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Satellite_Ground_Terminal_Folly_Lake 500k CAD or less
Duffer1: heh i was just gonna say..
Duffer1: millspec base in bumfuck canada perfect for a data center
Duffer1: or supervillain lair
mircea_popescu: or bdsm chateau
mircea_popescu: or really cool icecream factory
Diablo-D3: Duffer1: I wanna stay in the US
Duffer1: too cold for bdsm probably
mircea_popescu: you must be new
Diablo-D3: Duffer1: we have a few abandoned military bases in northern US including maine btw
knotwork: Not with all the heat the mining gear gives off
Diablo-D3: sometimes they come up for auction
mircea_popescu: the girls are warm, the canes are there to beat...
knotwork: (not too cold for whatever)
knotwork: maybe cold enough to cool the gear in winter. maybe.
knotwork: I have fans sucking in outside area in my room here in snowstorm and its still plenty warm in here
knotwork: outside air
Diablo-D3: knotwork: I ended up starting a dedicated server hosting company for a quarter of a million
Diablo-D3: if I grow it right, I'll be able to afford the datacenter I want
nubbins`: wow, wentworth really is bumfuck canada
knotwork: what kind of facility and do you rent/lease or own the land?
Diablo-D3: leasing racks.
knotwork: yikes so third party hosting
knotwork: for me a MAJOR part of wanting my own datacentre is I dont want to refer to keys that are on third party land as "private" keys as for all I know they are not.
knotwork: They are the third party's keys that they maybe let me use but aren't really mine any way not privately anyway
Diablo-D3: knotwork: its second party.
Diablo-D3: Im getting the racks directly from someone leasing directly from the building owner.
Diablo-D3: not a reseller further down the line
knotwork: and this someone is part of th corporate "you" ?
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Diablo-D3: no
Diablo-D3: but what Im saying is
Diablo-D3: the farther you go down the chain, the more you get fucked with
knotwork: right
mircea_popescu: you know sooner or later you will have to take employees.
Diablo-D3: if the NSA is going to spy on me or my customers
Diablo-D3: they're already doing it.
knotwork: one problem really with the military base idea is it would need a guard or groundskeeper etc
Diablo-D3: knotwork: well no
knotwork: though I could lock them out of the actual datacentre part maybe
Diablo-D3: it'd require no more physical security than an actual datacenter.
Diablo-D3: if you're not aware of how datacenter security works, go research that
knotwork: I coudl maybe put the keys in a machine in a vault or something
Diablo-D3: you're worried about private keys?
Diablo-D3: you cant secure them.
Diablo-D3: period.
Diablo-D3: unless the machine is on you at all times and already secure, there is no such thing as a secure private key
Diablo-D3: the only machine that can be on you at all times is a cell phone. cell phones are not secure.
KRS1: at all
knotwork: Maybe right in a city next to a police station could be more secure than out in the middle of no-where with gosh knows how long an RCMP response-time
knotwork: See this place is a great resource for discovering whether one is oneself a great(er) fool.
KRS1: Just buy a ship. Done. imo choose the caterpillar diesel engines option..well worth it.
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Duffer1: google ship?
KRS1: Secure, self sustaining..
Namworld: You could tattoo the private key on the underneath of your eyelid. Pull and read in a mirror.
Namworld: Sign with it from offline computer, clean machine after each use
knotwork: i get seasick
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999997 = 0.15 BTC [+]
Namworld: Now people need to drug you/knowck you out to get the private key.
KRS1: find a way to live in orbit
kakobrekla: orbit is not safe
KRS1: make sure to have a greenhouse and recycle your water
KRS1: kakobrekla, if its made out of unobtainium its is..jeez.
Namworld: With giant laser cannon directed at the "ants" (people) on earth? So you can direct them around or randomly blast them?
KRS1: Namworld you could have tons of fun with that..it would never get old.
kakobrekla: not if a rock made of unobtainium hits you
knotwork: Well first I will just get my 400 amps into my country-house I might feel a lot less stir-crazy cabin-fever starved for outlets to plug machines into then
KRS1: ah shit i didnt think of that =/
Namworld: If that happen I can rebuild it mad an indestructible unobtainium shielding.
mod6: s.moon: mp's forth-coming lunar cold storage warehouse
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KRS1: haha
kakobrekla: as long as it has lazerz
KRS1: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
kakobrekla: take that USD!
mod6: to the moon!
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chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-20/security-expert-hacks-obamacare-website-4-minutes-accesses-70000-records
ozbot: Security Expert Hacks Obamacare Website In 4 Minutes; Accesses 70,000 Records | Zero Hedge
KRS1: i'm sorry i gotta step away for this
knotwork: Well maybe a movie. Involving an evil lair
knotwork: Or figure out the cost of just the land, subtract the cost of removing the buildings etc etc and make crazy lowball offer to see how eager the seller is to sell
knotwork: offer to take it off his hands for a nominal dollar to save him the cost of demolition
the20year1: what i'd do is just start off with a lowball figure, bring it up $10k or so every few weeks
knotwork: maybe it will afterall still be available in november when bitcoin is $10,000 (i guess I was wrong about how long people think that might take to reach) and it will be cheaper then too as their desperation increases
the20year1: i'd be estatic if it reached 1-
the20year1: 10k then :D
knotwork: I think even when it reaches only $2000 or $2500 or so I would start wanting to hive off 500k CAD or so worth into something other than cryptocoins
knotwork: even though anything other than cryptocoins would likely appreciate much slower
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00009021 = 0.1804 BTC [-] {4}
knotwork: but land can be appreciated in other ways than by looking how much money it is worth
the20year1: you could buy some rentalstarter :D
kakobrekla: hedge bitcoin, buy bunker
knotwork: one can walk it, live on it build lairs on it etc
kakobrekla: makes sense.
knotwork: if I could use 500 or 600 bitcoins as collateral for a mortgage/loan I might go for it all by mtself
knotwork: but that is a non-starter
Duffer1: 500btc ?
the20year1: i don't see why not
knotwork: because anyone who believes bitcoin is good as collateral isnt going to want to issue a fiat denominated loan
knotwork: and I wouldnt want a bitcoin-denominated one that would be crazy
the20year1: why not a fiat denominated one?
the20year1: BTC>USD , get a cashout refi , then put that back into bitcoin
knotwork: who would issue a 500k CAD loan based on bitcoin collateral?
the20year1: *if* loans are a problem
the20year1: i'm sure someone would
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00009004 = 0.8104 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.026 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2268 @ 0.00008971 = 0.2035 BTC [-] {2}
knotwork: It does sound more and more like the place is probbly going to remain available for quite a while yet so I guess I will check it out every month or few and see how desperate that become to get rid of it
knotwork: maybe pick up and refurbish the other couple of places I have been looking at first. Go at them in cheapest place first sequence.
Namworld: I have a 290 BTC loan. Ultra crazy
knotwork: denominated in BTC ?
Namworld: yes
knotwork: ouch
Namworld: Used to be 400
knotwork: you pay a little each time BTC dives?
Namworld: Nope. What does it matter if BTC dives?
knotwork: well if you have fiat income for example
Apocalyptic: .d
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 615 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.5175% in 3d 9h 24m 13s
Namworld: Oh. Not much fiat income actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 60000 @ 0.00008084 = 4.8504 BTC [-] {22}
knotwork: How much (ballpark) would an option to buy bitcoin in say six months or nine or a year for today's price cost?
kakobrekla: Namworld you took a loan or gave it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14408 @ 0.00008 = 1.1526 BTC [-]
Namworld: I took a loan
kakobrekla: uh
kakobrekla: cmon you are not a btc newb
Namworld: It's nothing new, been going for a long time
knotwork: I should have bought more than just a few million DOGE to scatter across a huge range of highball sell offers, my selsl are being eaten up like crazy
mod6: such bids
knotwork: much profit on tiny amount of capital :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19000 @ 0.00008 = 1.52 BTC [-] {2}
Namworld: silly doge
knotwork: oh well it will go down and hit my remaining even lower lowball buy offers soon maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00098858 = 21.7488 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.000076 = 0.228 BTC [-] {4}
Namworld: How much does CBTC even earns?
knotwork: Nice question. Maybe it is time for me to start looking into actually making some use of my MPOE seat assuming such things do not expire thus that I still have it.
Duffer1: 9.16% apy on cbtc
jcpham: everytime i see the word doge i facedesk
jcpham: so hard
Namworld: ugh... 9.16% APY on something BTC related...
jcpham: i think i just broke my nose that time
Duffer1: their last div was 58 satoshi
mod6: much faceplant
knotwork: I didn't buy into Satoshi Dice since I figured it was only a matter of time before it ran into legal problems. Didn't think oh yeah it could get bought out by someone who has all the right licenses and jurisdiction (did it?)
Namworld: I believe so
Namworld: You should have bought a ton at IPO
Namworld: Wether you sold high or just accrued divs until it sold, you'd have earned a good chunk
knotwork: Oh I was broke way back then.
knotwork: Maybe less than 100 bitcoins as it mgiht have been before I got the bounty for helping to create DVC
Namworld: Would have been enough to make a good chunk
knotwork: I wasnt about to risk precious bitcoins on some third party site let alone on fourth party offerigns on such a site
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00098858 = 5.8821 BTC [-]
knotwork: If was going to bie at all back then I would have gone for S.MPOE itself or whatever it is called
knotwork: s/bie/bite/
knotwork: or buy
knotwork: and maybe that would have made quite a chunk too? Are there historic plots/charts etc somewhere?
Duffer1: coinflow.co
Duffer1: charts -> mpex
knotwork: Thanks
Duffer1: i don't know how far back the data goes
knotwork: March by the look of it
knotwork: not impressive growth though not a skyrocket, at least in that period, but maybe it was more impressive in the early days
knotwork: but maybe the bonds behind the options were better earnings historically?
knotwork: in all its history of satoshi dice its all going generally down not up
Namworld: SD started much lower than that
Namworld: SD went from 0.0022 - 0.0027 IPO slices to 0.007 and then back down or something
Namworld: At buyout, each share was bought 0.0032 I think
knotwork: Yike S.MD is also a downhill cruise lately
kakobrekla: anyone has any monies on that thing called ripple
knotwork: the charts indicate nothing about dividends though
jcpham: ripples?
jcpham: are they worth something yet?
knotwork: I have the giveaway ripples they gave out early on that were much bigger than later giveaways
knotwork: maybe a couple of grand USD worth or a grand or so depending on when I check the price
Namworld: You could have accrued dividends on SD in the range of up to ~0.0002 per month per share at it's highest I think, or close to that
knotwork: actually I sold the first 20000 or so they gave me for bitcoins, at way better price I think that I have seen since
Namworld: For like two months where they made 10-20k BTC profits I think
Namworld: Other months like 1-5k range mostly
kakobrekla: i just found out i have btc change there and want to get it out
jcpham: well apparently yhere ripple fuckers deleted my wallet
jcpham: *these ripple fuckers
knotwork: huh your wallet in your passphrase basically isnt it?
kakobrekla: ill swap with network btc with a fee if anyone cares
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/
ozbot: It’s not the sauce, it’s the poultry and other metamathematical considerations pe Trilema - Un b
knotwork: or are you saying they wiped your accoutns from their ledgers?
jcpham: Login failed:
jcpham: Payward Wallet not found (Username / Password is wrong)
kakobrekla: i just dont want to leave extra money to those fuckers
Namworld: ripples are worth a good chunk. They were worth even a lot more earlier, like 5000 ripples for 1 BTC. Now 40k ripples for 1 BTC.
jcpham: i didn't type it wrong
mircea_popescu: whoa who is this jcpham guy
mircea_popescu: sounds like a scammor name.
jcpham: who the fuck is this billionaire romanaian
jcpham: i keep reading about on the interwebs
jcpham: well if i had 75k ripples the last time i logged in and now the account is gone
jcpham: i'm callingripple a scam now
jcpham: finally
mircea_popescu: lol @obamacare. they should have used openbsd.
mircea_popescu: mod6 honestly, sounds more like reverend moon's next mass wedding.
Namworld: doesn't matter if you can fetch records without even hacking, just by going to an url
Namworld: That's poor website security. They could have hosted it on any platform, even the most secure, it doesn't fix incompetence.
knotwork: jcpham you stored your "wallet" only on third party storage not on your own disk?
mod6: mircea_popescu: heheh
jcpham: dude chill out
jcpham: i ypo'd the password
mircea_popescu: Namworld yes, but it'd have been funnier.
mircea_popescu: omfg, ipo'd passwords
mircea_popescu: NOW YOU BROKE ALTCOINS
jcpham: mircea_popescu does mpex support dogecoin yet?
mod6: select * from health_care_chumps where 't' = 't'; drop heath_care_chumps; commit;
mircea_popescu: yep. mpex supports dogecoin by helping all the dogecoin owners stay out of trouble.
mircea_popescu: mod6 alternatively, you could name your son that.
mod6: haha, drop that baby on its head.
mircea_popescu: one of the few funny xkcd's
knotwork: Vircurex listed DOGE so I made a choice between abandoning Vircurex and taking a flutter of trying my devcoin strategy on DOGE
mod6: if you like your swisscheese website, you can keep it.
knotwork: which seems to be working so far, my highball sells are still being gobbled higher and higher
mircea_popescu: wow, vircurex also still exists ?
mircea_popescu: this is like ghostships on the sea of forgotten memories
knotwork: It seems to be more picky about what altcoins to list than any others I came across, and I have been into merged mining since it was invented so wanted someplace that had at least some of the merged mined coins
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it's even worse than that
Apocalyptic: it still exists and people think it's legit
knotwork: its still an anonymous-owner exchange I think?
Apocalyptic: cause it's been around for a while you know
mircea_popescu: oic.
Apocalyptic: knotwork, it's run by some "kumala"
mircea_popescu: didn't it get hacked recently,
mircea_popescu: and didn't the hack force the guy to wipe the equity of his investors, as he had no other resources ?
knotwork: Claimed to be hacked twice and make good, but the second claim seems more suspect than the first because after it got rep from the first claim a russian site also tried the lets say we were hacked then have customers not lose money way to get rep
Apocalyptic: there was something like that
mircea_popescu: well, musical chairs can be a fun game, especialyl if you don't bring much money.
knotwork: so VIrcurex's second such claim might have jsut been a PR response to the Russian response to the gain in rep Vircurex had got the first time around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00098936 = 32.6489 BTC [+] {2}
knotwork: Vircurex always made the customers whole. Though whether there actually had been anything to make them whole about I dunno
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00099456 = 34.4118 BTC [+] {2}
knotwork: theey might simply have been the inventors of the lets say we got viciously hacked then show how great we are by "making the customers whole" PR tactic
mircea_popescu: they made their "customers" whole on the basis of stealing their "investor's" equity.
mircea_popescu: this works on average about once.
knotwork: huh? not sure what you mean. They claimed hot wallet had been stolen then tht they made up the loss so no customers lost anything
knotwork: what "equity" are you thinking of?
knotwork: They have shares out on some "exchange" or other is it something about those?
mircea_popescu: yup
knotwork: oh the shareholders hold the bag for making the customers whole re the hot wallet?
knotwork: I thought the shares thing was more recent than the "hacks"
knotwork: I admit I never really paid any attention to any of the exhcanges offering shares stuff
knotwork: I was amazed people fell for that when the solidcoin guy did it
mircea_popescu: no. first the guy sold shares, on outrageous terms
mircea_popescu: then... welll... shares get forgetteded about.
mircea_popescu: so i dunno what +rep you think you saw or where, but i dun think such a thing occured.
knotwork: I thought I saw just days ago they have shares on some exchange or other
mircea_popescu: the listing is full of lolz, i'll have th egirl dig it up in the morn.
knotwork: cool :)
knotwork: Part of why i stick to vircurex is I long ago took back everything I ever put there plus lots of profit so everything at risk there now is just more profit I could have taken
knotwork: But buying shares wow weird, first question I'd ask myself is why isn't it listed on MPEx, the answer would likely tip me off
knotwork: I havent even taken a flutter on any shares that *are* listed on MPEx yet
Apocalyptic: knotwork, see https://vircurex.com/Reports/2013-05.pdf
Apocalyptic: "Consequences
Apocalyptic: The loss of the funds will be recovered out of the monthly dividends. Dividends will be used to purchase back the missing funds in the coming months. Depending on the trading volume development this is expected to take 9 to 12 months."
knotwork: ah other people's money is great stuff isn't it
mod6: ouch
Apocalyptic: seriously i'm still amazed they're in business
mircea_popescu: i have trouble seriously believing they're in any sort of business
knotwork: At least that Irish guy someone actually knew he he was had met him at conferences etc but even so "investing" in one kid running a homebrewed website seems a little dubious at thebest of time
mircea_popescu: i mean... so knotwork is being much entertained. that's fine
Apocalyptic: "We now pay interest on BTC, LTC, PPC, NVC and WDC account balances, they are paid multiple times every day. Check out the help for details"
Apocalyptic: that must be new
mircea_popescu: lol that's a fractional reserve innit ?
mircea_popescu: what sort of interest ?
Apocalyptic: "since we're scamming let's do it mcxnow style baby"
mod6: ponzi alert!
knotwork: Its not interest its just a portion off the fees
knotwork: of the fees
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, dunno just saw that on the index page
mircea_popescu: oh like a rebate ?
mircea_popescu: odd way to go about it.
Apocalyptic: formulation fail then
Apocalyptic: <knotwork> Its not interest its just a portion off the fees // where do you get this from ?
knotwork: not a rebate on your own fees, a share of fees being earned in general
knotwork: not off the fees, of the fees
knotwork: its like your bitcoins sitting on deposit get you free feshares while they remain on deposit
knotwork: feeshares
mircea_popescu: butbutbut...
mircea_popescu: that BELONGS TO THE INVESTORS
mircea_popescu: so they can pay off with the proceeds the other stuff they got stolen from
mircea_popescu: roflmao omfg.
Apocalyptic: indeed
mircea_popescu: this is like a miner bond applied to the exchange
knotwork: yeah if anyone knows of a better exchange that has namecoins devcoins and maybe even more merged mined coins I'mi nterested to hear about it
mircea_popescu: "everyone is making roi. just find a fiat currency with bad inflation"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17984 @ 0.00099379 = 17.8723 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: knotwork prolly doesn't exist, and you know, have fun, just don't do something stupid.
knotwork: otherwise I just continue to hope the open transactions for grandmas is done soon
mod6: btc-e has nmc
mircea_popescu: you know how it goes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1116 @ 0.00099536 = 1.1108 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: nyooz you can yooze! cafe in my town. people chattering, rumour; schizo woman who frequents the place was drawing 'daisies'. said, 'they're like bitcoins! but on paper!'
asciilifeform: couldn't help but think of casascius. and many other fine folks.
Apocalyptic: does anyone know of a website that keeps track of some altcoins hashrate ?
knotwork: Vircurex does for those it lists. well it shows current hashrates no history plots etc
Apocalyptic: thanks, hum Devcoin has actually some decent hashrate
knotwork: merged mining can do that
knotwork: depending on the general prevalence of but-its-not-bitcoin sentiment
knotwork: considering just hashrate its IXCoin that is the dark horse so far, high hash/difficulty yet not much mass buying yet
Duffer1: yet?
knotwork: Yet. When hashrate becomes a big selling point it would presumably see more volume and/or price
knotwork: currently cuteness of meme is the bigger selling point it seems
knotwork: and none of the sctypt coins save maybe possibly litecoin can afford to let hashrate become the selling point of choice
knotwork: scrypt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00672002 = 0.3898 BTC [-] {3}
knotwork: oh except maybe the supposedly merged mine capable scrypt coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00672 = 0.6653 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00099542 = 34.2922 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: this seems new http://mall.diginforce.com/goods.php?id=38
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
knotwork: So would there be much/any interest in some kind of "buy shares in a fully legally licensed etc etc Open Transactions server" kind of offering?
knotwork: As it looks like going legal could be a big whole in the law that one throws money into
knotwork: s/whole/hole/
knotwork: Its early adopter time still for Open Transactions based stuff, oculd be good potential there...
mod6: Speaking of holes, was the signifigance of the revolutionary flag in '89 to cut out the old coat of arms?
mircea_popescu: the coat of arms was associated with the socialist republic
mircea_popescu: the flag had borne the king's arms afore, then after the war the communists copied this form, just with a new design.
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Romanian_Army_Flag_-_1940_used_model.svg << ww2 version.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4782 @ 0.00008249 = 0.3945 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the current coat of romania is pretty much the same, minus the hermelin.
mod6: I some old footage recently, it stuck with me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1250 @ 0.000085 = 0.1063 BTC [+]
mod6: thx for the link :]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ << officially largest btc bet in history of btc betting eh.
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 281632 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 607 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2154321197.54 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.38361
mod6: is it also the largest in number of confirmed bets?
knotwork: wow looks like easy money this late in the game, what is the catch?
mod6: s.bbet just had its 1st birthday
knotwork: Are there fees or somesuch that will eat the meagre win-profit if one bets yes this late?
mod6: read da faq. there is a weight.
kakobrekla: fees are in the calculator
knotwork: 1% fee in effect it looks like. two thirds of the currently estimated winnings
knotwork: oh the winnings listed/calculated already have the fee taken out? The FAQ seems to imply otherwise.
KRS1: doge gonna pop
kakobrekla: knotwork the calculator on the page is accounting for everything
kakobrekla: whatever is under 'out' in resolved bets table it has the fee taken out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00099267 = 15.6346 BTC [-] {2}
knotwork: resolved ones sure, what I am puzzling over is where it shows what a Yes or a No would pay on currently still running bet. FAQ seems to indicate that calculation is not including the fee
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think the confirmed bets is like 200
knotwork: Specifically, the "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC" on page http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/
knotwork: if that does not take fee into account the fee would eat almost 2/3rds of the winnings
knotwork: even if the weight didndt change by end of time of liveness of the bet, which it probably will
knotwork: so I am thinking the "catch" is that by the time the betting is closed the Yes would pay less than what one bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.0009887 = 31.589 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: knotwork let's do the math.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 7992959/45677252 * 1743.52
gribble: 305.094620746
kakobrekla: the calc accounts for the 1% fee
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 8760 / 45677252 / 7992959 * 1743.52
gribble: 4.18334311068e-08
mircea_popescu: juesus im too tired to maff
kakobrekla: thats why you have the calc in the first place.
kakobrekla: so you can play tired.
mircea_popescu: aite ty
kakobrekla: :)
knotwork: Maybe it would help to have it say either "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC after fees" or say "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC before fees" to make it crystal clean in your face kind of thing
knotwork: s/clean/clear/
mircea_popescu: "given current time weight and assuming no one else bets" > "after fees, given current time weight and assuming no one else bets" ?
knotwork: sure, great, you are the great writer/grammaticist/sequencer of words just so its clear is all I was after
mircea_popescu: well would the 2nd work for your purpose ?
knotwork: Thanks yes exactly it makes it pretty clear
knotwork: and saves having to repeat the "after fees" words on both the yes line and the no line
kakobrekla: id go with "given current time weight and assuming no one else bets, including fees"
knotwork: yeah that too would work
knotwork: though hmm somehow it doesn't "sound" quite as good
mircea_popescu: after fees is clear. including fees is not clear.
mircea_popescu: are they included in the sense of not substracted, or included in the sense of having been assesed.
knotwork: ah yes there ya go but also just tacking it on the end doesnt seem as ncie as putting it in front I dont know why
kakobrekla: just seems more choppy to me, putting in it front
kakobrekla: but whatever, its in front now and live.
mircea_popescu: bah two lines
mircea_popescu: take "time" out ?
knotwork: would smaller font be legible?
kakobrekla: 1 line here
mircea_popescu: after fees, given current weight and assuming no one else bets
knotwork: oh width of browser/screen effects?
kakobrekla: ok time is out
mircea_popescu: ELEVENTEEN
kakobrekla: does that fix it
knotwork: its one line for me regardless of scrunching the wondow smaller
mircea_popescu: nope ;/ given current weight > at current weight
knotwork: window
mircea_popescu: yes but you probably use something sane.
knotwork: Firefox, does that count?
mircea_popescu: myeah.
knotwork: oh gosh you aren't on Internet Explorer are you?!?!
mircea_popescu: im on bitbrowsercoinbit
kakobrekla: f5
mircea_popescu: splendid
knotwork: its right-justified instead of centred
mircea_popescu: now let's hope nobody else further breaks our nice site with their IMPROVEMENTS
kakobrekla: fook you all
knotwork: or something. left margin larger than right margin for that line
mircea_popescu: it's good as is!
knotwork: ")
knotwork: :)
knotwork: its not metalic rainbow hue with unicorns!
kakobrekla: yes its not on the center
kakobrekla: now it bothers me.
knotwork: :)
mircea_popescu: well im off to bed. don't do anything drastic
kakobrekla: see how this avalanche goes
mircea_popescu: like rainbows or unicorns
knotwork: its like the sound of the train going fruit and nut, fruit and nut, fruit and nut in the caadburys ad
kakobrekla: change is bad mkay
mircea_popescu: ^^^
knotwork: te cadburys ad they used to put in trains
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.66188008 = 3.3094 BTC [-] {3}
knotwork: the train goes change is bad, change is bad, change is bad... ;)
kakobrekla: ok i think that should do it.
knotwork: oh nice its centred!
knotwork: it didnt change really did it? it was entred before the changes wasnt it?
knotwork: centred
knotwork: at least I had not noticed a lack of centre originally
knotwork: Thanks
kakobrekla: well it was on center but on center of li which is not on center
knotwork: ah
kakobrekla: dunno why it shows more now, prolly cause shorter text
knotwork: well I had not noticed it before the first change but maybe merely because my attention was not really on that line back then
knotwork: ok we can do the unicorns another time :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.04999997 = 2.25 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: :)
kakobrekla: i go as well. later
knotwork: gnite
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.0066171 = 0.2514 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.08500666 = 0.255 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0027 = 1.35 BTC [-]
knotwork: Well having invested so many unicorns into spiffing up the website I guess I should consider investing in the shares :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07480014 = 0.2244 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24791 @ 0.0009887 = 24.5109 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.0028468 = 0.8313 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 295 @ 0.002847 = 0.8399 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1064 @ 0.00285203 = 3.0346 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 134 @ 0.0028847 = 0.3865 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 650 @ 0.00289653 = 1.8827 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 719 @ 0.00289999 = 2.0851 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.0066003 = 0.4818 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 87 @ 0.04999998 = 4.35 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00674993 = 0.27 BTC [+] {5}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.67 = 3.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00677795 = 0.6371 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m76rjbYMyb1qd3a89o1_500.jpg
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdkjvrXntv1qiqa2no1_500.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6617 BTC [-]
KRS1: ahem
KRS1: ahem
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdk819jxD01qedo9to1_500.jpg
KRS1: fap fap fap
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.64012 = 6.4012 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.0009904 = 4.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6400 @ 0.000085 = 0.544 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 356 @ 0.00086972 = 0.3096 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.026 = 0.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.0009904 = 4.0111 BTC [-]
KRS1: fap fap fap
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1qiupufmX1qgxozfo1_1280.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02609997 = 0.8352 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00098763 = 20.3452 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00099002 = 12.4594 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 332 @ 0.00294895 = 0.9791 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.002967 = 0.3204 BTC [+]
KRS1: sorry, i just dont see LTC being replaced by 'doge'
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro, I need it to develop my project
VitalyChernikov: my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com
alystair: what project
VitalyChernikov: I develops 3 Android application and one service for my city. Service : Sellers of my city will made photo of their most interest product and send this photo with geo tags via mobile application on server.
VitalyChernikov: Other people will come on site and see that products.
VitalyChernikov: I have family - wife and little son and I develops that project to earn for my family
VitalyChernikov: But my curren PC is old and noise and it waking up wife and children when I working at night
VitalyChernikov: And I want to buy laptop to start working at any place
punkman: VitalyChernikov: shouldn't you be asking the users of your apps first?
VitalyChernikov: Yes I asked before my frends and others IT specialists - they approved my idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00099095 = 32.7509 BTC [+] {4}
VitalyChernikov: And there no else such service at mu city
VitalyChernikov: I am from Russia, Rybinsk city
VitalyChernikov: I need only 2 BTC to buy laptop
VitalyChernikov: If any want can write me on my e-mail, i will send my photos.
VitalyChernikov: Yes, I am real man and have family
VitalyChernikov: But all my salary is always spent on children or wife or food and I can't accumulate money for laptop. I am 28 years.
truffles: maybe u shouldve thought about that before u got wife + children
VitalyChernikov: Yes, sure. but before it I was learned in institute, than on cathedra and current at 2012 I start work as programmer. Life is awesome
truffles: u make it seem like the wife and children are taking away all ur funds, when u chose that life
KRS1: did china come to an agreement with their banks yet?
VitalyChernikov: Wife and children have motivated me to start work more hard and looking for new ideas. It is big plus
truffles: u should state it that way then :)
VitalyChernikov: So, if any want to help, simple donate I will said big thanks
KRS1: so you want to work more hard but you come here for a handout?
truffles: donate to support ur wife and kids eh?
VitalyChernikov: No, to buy laptop
truffles: even better
truffles: what r u using now?
VitalyChernikov: To develops project and then earn on it
VitalyChernikov: Old PC, that stay at bedroom
VitalyChernikov: And it is very noise and slowly
KRS1: i feel bad for him truffles throw him a few btc
truffles: kinda like mine lol
truffles: no wai im poor
KRS1: like 5-10 would be a great start for him
KRS1: VitalyChernikov keep asking i'm sure someone will, these folks are very generous.
truffles: id be if i were rich :D
truffles: except id make ppl do things for it heh
KRS1: i know you would truffles
KRS1: work for it, teh best way, but provide the opportunity
truffles: nothing too complicated though
truffles: and id prob be back to poor so fast lol
KRS1: some people are meant to be
truffles: "t is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
VitalyChernikov: Yes, it is strange and wild step to ask help here, but I decide to try because I hope other programmers will help me
VitalyChernikov: some times programmers need simple laptop
VitalyChernikov: And it all that i need to cloase my door and start work next year
VitalyChernikov: My address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz I will share here photo report when I buy laptop and photo of me and family
VitalyChernikov: Thanks to all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29934 @ 0.00098648 = 29.5293 BTC [-] {3}
VitalyChernikov: And also please write me on e-mail that i may to said thanks
truffles: how can we know its ur family though
VitalyChernikov: I will report with passport and my name Vitaly Chernikov
truffles: but how will we know its ur passport
VitalyChernikov: facebook.com/VitalyChernikov
VitalyChernikov: I will with my photo on passport
truffles: cool
VitalyChernikov: I am is may be one real man from all others scrammers
VitalyChernikov: With real family,
truffles: no fake men here
VitalyChernikov: yes, it i am understood
VitalyChernikov: I have dream to earn on car for my family
VitalyChernikov: You know it is very hard without car on winter on frost to go in any place ofcity. That is why I asking heelp for laptop buying
truffles: no jobs in mother russia?
VitalyChernikov: I am working! At IT company, but salary is $850, I am beginner developer.
VitalyChernikov: With family it is hard to accumulate for car or for good laptop
VitalyChernikov: And I develops own project
VitalyChernikov: Looking for ideas
VitalyChernikov: and other
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20474 @ 0.00098991 = 20.2674 BTC [+]
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC, I need it to develop my project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC, I need it to develop my project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
truffles: 2 minute intervals hmmm
KRS1: good..keep it up!
KRS1: Now thats working hard for what you need
truffles: how about once every hour?
KRS1: He only needs 2
VitalyChernikov: Ok, will at on hour)) sorry
truffles: woot
VitalyChernikov: at one hour
VitalyChernikov: once every hour
truffles: there is a log so ppl will see it no matter what
VitalyChernikov: Ok, I understood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.638 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61033334 = 1.831 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.61 = 6.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: VitalyChernikov basically the only way out of this is to never repeat it again and claim it was a mis-paste the first time.
truffles: nooo dont ban him
kakobrekla: so he can write spam more efficiently?
truffles: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00612 = 0.153 BTC [-] {2}
truffles: there is some translation issues though
truffles: maybe he's new to chatrooms
kakobrekla: or somalian
KRS-: truffles i'm proud of you..such a big heart =D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999988 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19760 @ 0.00098923 = 19.5472 BTC [-] {2}
KRS-: Could be serbian or nigerian too.
truffles: im nicer irl :)
truffles: not lol
truffles: but what does it mean to have a big heart though
VitalyChernikov: I am Russian
VitalyChernikov: I am not spammer
VitalyChernikov: I am not scrammer
KRS-: Maybe he should get "verified" like they do on Gox before going further.
VitalyChernikov: I am real man, programmerm that only have one need, and decide ask here help
KRS-: Do we have a submission site?
VitalyChernikov: No I have only facebook - facebook.com/VitalyChernikov,
truffles: VitalyChernikov well ur plea is known now to everyone, this moderator wants to ban u though :(
VitalyChernikov: because I more Android developer
KRS-: hmm now we are getting somewhere
VitalyChernikov: my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com
KRS-: remember that B&B tv show on MTV
KRS-: Vitaly you dont put your family on your facebook page
VitalyChernikov: Vitaly Chernikov!
VitalyChernikov: Oh, sorry,
truffles: why not, he lives in russia heh
kakobrekla: i fuckin hate macs.
VitalyChernikov: Yes because at Russia it is more popular Vkontakte.ru
truffles: why not = why not post family pics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.641 BTC [+]
truffles: kako we have something in common!
truffles: i dont like macs either
KRS-: he sidestepped the submission or application process for facebook instead
truffles: i wouldnt know, i never got a facebook
KRS-: same
KRS-: never thought it was a good idea
truffles: i got a twitter or 2 though
truffles: never posted a tweet yet oddly
truffles: need to work on short witty sentences
VitalyChernikov: I do not put photo of my family because it is relatively private information. And I may send photo on e-mail
VitalyChernikov: I have son. wife and we else wait at september children
truffles: if u r legit, its nice that ure not taking away funds from the family to spend rashly on other things
simlay: I feel like there's cheaper ways to write quality software than a Macbook Pro.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00282106 = 0.4232 BTC [-] {4}
VitalyChernikov: I want buy used Macbook that is cheaper than new, but also reliable
VitalyChernikov: On Macbook you may put both Mac Os and Windows 8
KRS-: I'm sure somebody can help him out..trouble is not many people on here yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 850 @ 0.00276241 = 2.348 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.04999995 = 2.75 BTC [+] {2}
truffles: whyd u want win 8 !
VitalyChernikov: No, it is as example
truffles: ok
VitalyChernikov: Some times when you develops in Visual Studio on c# you need Windows
VitalyChernikov: But all other time it is pretty use MacOs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.0061 = 0.4697 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999998 = 0.5 BTC [+]
VitalyChernikov: Today minus 15 on celsius, at city of Rybinsk
VitalyChernikov: good wether
truffles: so warm
truffles: Oympakon seems not so warm
VitalyChernikov: sorry, good weather
VitalyChernikov: Oymyakon
VitalyChernikov: Оймякон
KRS-: warm where i am, i wish it would cool down already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.0009864 = 12.8725 BTC [-] {3}
VitalyChernikov: As we agreed put once at hour: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android and web project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
kakobrekla: wait who agreed to that
kakobrekla: seriously VitalyChernikov , stop with the spam, last warning.
simlay: You should write a script that does it once per hour.
Perlboy: VitalyChernikov, here's my donation 8=================>
Perlboy: i made it extra long for you
deadweasel: here's mine: ~~~~~ :: skeet skeet ::
Perlboy: if you can't write code on the irc box you're talking from you shouldn't be cutting code
VitalyChernikov: kakobrekla is forbid me write my announcement
deadweasel: good
Perlboy: VitalyChernikov, so stfu?
Perlboy: anyways, clearly i'm being short tempered and need sleep
VitalyChernikov: "so stfu?" - what mean?
Perlboy: *gone* :)
Perlboy: ;;google stfu
gribble: Urban Dictionary: stfu: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stfu>; STFU, Parents: <http://www.stfuparentsblog.com/>; What does STFU mean? - STFU Definition - Meaning of STFU ...: <http://www.internetslang.com/STFU-meaning-definition.asp>
deadweasel: night Perlboy
Perlboy: read. learn. and stfu.
Perlboy: :)
KRS-: heh
VitalyChernikov: kakobrekla is forbid me write my announcement, so any who want help please write on vdchernikov@gmail.com , seriously
kakobrekla: kakobrekla is forbid you but you still do it.
KRS-: what was the announcement again
VitalyChernikov: It is was last message
kakobrekla: seriously.
KRS-: lel
asciilifeform: VitalyChernikov: последний шанс - забанят
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 428 @ 0.00295253 = 1.2637 BTC [+] {6}
VitalyChernikov: Yes, it is strange to hope that any will donate me. Will looking for about bank kredit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 264 @ 0.00296032 = 0.7815 BTC [+] {3}
VitalyChernikov: Will looking for about bank credit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1146 @ 0.00296699 = 3.4002 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00297345 = 1.4867 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 995 @ 0.00297499 = 2.9601 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 138 @ 0.00086972 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00098928 = 4.9959 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.04999998 = 2.2 BTC [+]
punkman: guys also need small btc 0.2 or 0.3 for cow. kakobrekla is forbid? cow very old is not make milk fast, son very big drink like father
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04999999 = 0.4 BTC [+]
VitalyChernikov: No thanks
VitalyChernikov: self will earn
punkman: i earn new cow but lose in dog battle, very unlucky
VitalyChernikov: i will self earn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.04999999 = 1.2 BTC [+]
punkman: new cow was beauty. but Nico bet tractor and Nico dog look weak but beat all dog. so now i have only old cow and dog dead
punkman: but 0.2 btc I buy new wire sword and steal cow before Nico do steak
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3750 @ 0.04999999 = 187.5 BTC [+] {2}
VitalyChernikov: Yes, ban me, ban me! I want to be baned!
VitalyChernikov: Good buy all! I will banned
simlay: punkman: lol.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.05 = 2.25 BTC [+]
punkman: simlay: you have small btc for cow?
punkman: will send picture of cow when she is back
VitalyChernikov: I still alive??
punkman: can also sent steak but from old cow, not very good, maybe soup
lippoper: have you guys seen dogecoin?
lippoper: this shit is to da moon
simlay: I don't understand wtf is happening with dogecoin.
punkman: meme is demand
simlay: The daily transaction volume is larger than the market cap.
alystair: where do I buy dogecoin
simlay: Also, I don't see how dogecoin is different than say lightcoin.
simlay: That's mostly due to ignorance.
lippoper: very profitable
lippoper: much currency
lippoper: 200 satoshis
lippoper: 50k doges = .11btc
lippoper: wow
lippoper: there's KRS
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
simlay: I'm no rocket scientist but you've definitely not waited an hour to respam.
KRS1: Saw that coming
KRS1: lippoper major doge action lel =)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00099246 = 10.7186 BTC [+]
simlay: #dogecoin is such a shit show.
truffles: its too fast in there
simlay: Yeah, impossible to follow anything.
pankkake: OMG begging for a macbook. :(
truffles: he clearly left too soon
punkman: "DOGE Colored Coins. Such Power! Wow. make new coins. p2p exchange. smart contracts. to the moon."
simlay: I think my favorite part of dogecoin is the lack of complete sentences.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0062 = 0.155 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00099423 = 21.3262 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0061999 = 0.124 BTC [-]
lippoper: much sentence
lippoper: such short
lippoper: wow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61105 = 1.2221 BTC [-] {2}
lippoper: "I used to own 25% Bitcoin and 75% Litecoin. I didn't want to sell my Litecoin so instead I dumped my bitcoin and bought 5 Million Doge!! Best decision I ever made and I'm not selling."
pankkake: :/
lippoper: dogeroad == silkroad but with dogecoin
pankkake: dogecoin is as good as litecoin as far as I'm concerned
pankkake: probably has better devs
lippoper: I agree
lippoper: Litecoin devs have been dropping the ball all along the way
lippoper: so many opportunities missed
lippoper: The devs for doge have fixed a lot of the LTC issues
lippoper: as far as I'm concerned it's a better coin
lippoper: plus the community is super active
lippoper: last time I heard anything about LTC was last year, when koolio and gang raised over 8k LTC for development and nothing came of it
Shokora: plus it's always fun to see actual money being exchanged on websites littered with memes and nonsensical shit in general
Shokora: it's like the lulz apocalypse
lippoper: they were supposed to be added to Gox
lippoper: Doge's difficulty is climbing so fast
lippoper: network hash rate has gone from 30GH/s this last thursday to 105GH/s today
pankkake: lol
lippoper: Difficulty 1065.3591744 Est Next Difficulty 1351.40698655
lippoper: it also went from being worth 40-50 satoshis to ~200 satoshis now
lippoper: It's the year of the dog
lippoper: like the chinese say
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00099284 = 26.1117 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10784 @ 0.00008914 = 0.9613 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 35435 @ 0.00009499 = 3.366 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.04999999 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00297499 = 0.1904 BTC [+]
nubbins`: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/261375947908?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
ozbot: Casascius Physical Bitcoins Lealana Bitcoin 12 Coin Collection Silver Gold 5 1 | eBay
nubbins`: lel
thestringpuller: price?
thestringpuller: or current bid?
nubbins`: 19btc worth of stuff, current bid $9,300
the20year: are they redeemed?
the20year: 3 coins worth 1btc, 1 coin worth 1 btc, 8 coins worth 0.5btc = 8btc
alystair: how in the world do you get 19btc as value lol
nubbins`: afaik unredeemed
nubbins`: 3x2 + 8x1.5 + 1x1 = 19(no idea what lelelel coins are worth)
nubbins`: alystair, by counting the resale value, not the face value
the20year: it says those 3 coins are 1btc each
nubbins`: face value, yep
lippoper: and where did you get 1.5btc value from?
thestringpuller: has any casascius coin ever been defective?
lippoper: it's half
lippoper: as in 0.5
lippoper: not 1.5
nubbins`: lippoper: and the market is what it is, not what you think it is
lippoper: lol
lippoper: that's how you end up getting ripped off
lippoper: a btc is a btc is a btc
nubbins`: see my previous statement
lippoper: regardless of how much USD it's worth ;-)
nubbins`: go ahead and buy a silver 0.5 for 0.5btc
nubbins`: i dare ya
lippoper: you nubbins
nubbins`: me nubbins, you lippoper
nubbins`: thestringpuller, i've seen a gold-plated 1btc silver with a heart-shaped gold defect
lippoper: stop being such a nubbins
lippoper: ;-)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5185 @ 0.00009055 = 0.4695 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: nubbins (n): one who speaks the truth
nubbins`: anyway, this guy's doing his auction all wrong
lippoper: nubbins (v): to mess up details and facts
lippoper: with opinions
lippoper: wow
nubbins`: who the fuck wants to buy eight dupes from a reseller with a rating of 11?
nubbins`: hahah
nubbins`: i invited you to try purchasing an 0.5 casascius silver for 0.5btc
lippoper: that's a horrible party invite
nubbins`: well, yes, because you can't
lippoper: don't you have some 'nerds' to pick on lol
nubbins`: that's what i'm doing right now
truffles: its usually me
lippoper: pick on KRS1
truffles: he'd rather do that than challenge me to a game of chess ..
nubbins`: <lippoper> lel things are worth what i think they're worth, not what they're actually worth!
nubbins`: truffles, you're too demanding an opponent ;p
truffles: ure the last person i would play non-timer
truffles: 5 minute per move is terrible
nubbins`: the logs tell a different story
lippoper: try 24 hours per move
lippoper: we'll play over email
nubbins`: i used to play via SMS
nubbins`: games took days
truffles: well Boingo did wait 24hrs once lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4018 @ 0.00099392 = 3.9936 BTC [+]
truffles: id do inchat whenever ure ready
truffles: chat logs will tell me how long ure taking per move too
nubbins`: heh, check it
nubbins`: What should I do now?
nubbins`: Don't ship the item. We've completed the Payment Review and canceled the payment because it may not have been authorized by the PayPal account holder.
nubbins`: thought that guy was a bit too eager
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31067 @ 0.00099108 = 30.7899 BTC [-] {2}
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mircea_popescu: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00087687 / 0.00096953 / 0.0009999 (1236088 shares, 1,198.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00083792 / 0.00087234 / 0.0009999 (6570762 shares, 5,731.99 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00087213 / 0.0009999 (26205358 shares, 22,854.72 BTC)
mircea_popescu: just not five digits huh
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nubbins`: so close!
nubbins`: turns out dropping 24btc on openbsd was a great form of advertising
nubbins`: ars, el reg, slashdot, zdnet, etc all carried the story
truffles: r ppl smart enough for such maneuvers
nubbins`: only some credited bingo's blog ;)
mircea_popescu: iirc he was saying he got a lot of traffic
pankkake: that was some cheap advertising
nubbins`: i don't doubt it, lotta readers saw those stories
nubbins`: !t m s.mg
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pankkake: any increases in rss feed subscriptions? twatter followers?
mircea_popescu: prolly
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mircea_popescu: the funniest part in all of this are, of course, the variously non-english speaking romanian doods who had figured they're like... you know... teh bitcoin jesus
mircea_popescu: (stuff happens in romania after a delay)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73900 @ 0.0009953 = 73.5527 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/inside-the-secret-chinese-camps-curing-internet-addiction/story-fnjwnhzf-1226806932466
mircea_popescu: china taking the whole "you're grounded" thing to a whole new level
mircea_popescu: (mostly quoted for teh wtf pic)
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nubbins`: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/15/kitkat_text_trap_no_wrap/
nubbins`: (mostly linked for the headline)
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nubbins`: "Rap for KitKat in crap app wrap trap flap: Android 4.4 is 'meant to work like that'"
mircea_popescu: omg theregister speak!
nubbins`: i've always had a soft spot for rhyming and alliteration in headlines
truffles: useful things in life ofc
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: i always picture a room full of editors roaring with laughter and saying HAHAHA FUCK IT LET'S PUBLISH IT
mircea_popescu: and nobody reading it knows what the headlines mean...
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nubbins`: you need to draw a diagram sometimes to figure them out
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
pankkake: I don't want to live on this planet anymore
asciilifeform: will somebody please wake the mod ?
mircea_popescu: lo. funny thing is, ima write an article about exactly this.
thestringpuller: lol
mircea_popescu: be about an hour.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 152 @ 0.00617863 = 0.9392 BTC [+] {7}
asciilifeform: i asked the fellow politely, to hush, in his mother tongue. no dice.
TomServo: Did he even acknowledge it?
pankkake: I hope he's just a scammer and he won't really buy a macbook
asciilifeform: he did. said he would, anyway.
mircea_popescu: i imagine he's just trying this strange internet cube in original if inadequate ways.
pankkake: you don't use macbooks to develop, you use macbooks in node.js/ruby on rails/etc. conferences or in starbucks
VitalyChernikov: I am not a scammer, I real need
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform odds are you'll see him again, in that other capacity.
mircea_popescu: there's a progression at work.
pankkake: VitalyChernikov, I suppose you currently have a computer, since you're here
mircea_popescu: phylogenesis retracing ontogenesis and all that.
truffles: its old and noisey pankkake!
KRS1: truffles: http://25.media.tumblr.com/46a173809e32fca9622e036fd31b3948/tumblr_msmhafIwi41rpewjfo1_400.jpg
TomServo: I blame mircea_popescu and his donation :P
mircea_popescu: i confess ;/
truffles: i wanted to ask why he came here
KRS1: Vitaly what was it you needed
truffles: krs1 i like cage whats, i dont get it
truffles: from that movie he did?
KRS1: i thinks
truffles: once upon a time, he was my fav actor of all time
VitalyChernikov: oh sorry I need to put children into bed, i will be back
KRS1: ya he's real good..u has new fav?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hard (but not impossible!) to cross-compile winblows trojans under mac os.
truffles: those that produce consistent good work maybe
truffles: like Dicaprio
VitalyChernikov: Peoples, I simple asking help. You do not sistuation when you eant to work and you have no ability! I working and grow children it is both hard. I repeat that i need Macbook for my work.
truffles: VitalyChernikov how come u didnt make this plea in #bitcoin?
asciilifeform: and what would be wrong with a linux box?
VitalyChernikov: Sorry, last message was written with many mistakes because I was hurry.
KRS1: idk who my fav actor is..guess i still like the ones who are too old now
pankkake: wait, you have no ability and no job… but you want to write an android application "for your work"
VitalyChernikov: Peoples, I simple asking help. You do not know sistuation when you want to work and you have no ability! I working and parallely grow children and it is both hard. I repeat that i need Macbook for my work.
truffles: tom hanks?
KRS1: yep, rodney dangerfield, dan ankroyd, etc.
pankkake: growing children
VitalyChernikov: thanks
truffles: didnt those 2 die?
KRS1: one did i think
truffles: VitalyChernikov u didnt answer my question !
KRS1: Isn't there a submission form he should fill out?
truffles: i thought he gave up after avoiding the 1 hour per copypaste
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: do you have a daughter? I'll buy her for 2 BTC
twizt: lol
KRS1: I bid 2.3
KRS1: pics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 356 @ 0.00086966 = 0.3096 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ asciilifeform <
ozbot: La firma pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
truffles: doesnt look english
mircea_popescu: that's okay, he speaks languages.
truffles: yea im sure he speaks broken x language :)
KRS1: Vitaly grows children? Show me how this is done.
KRS1: Must look into this.
alystair: how long does it take for an unverified transaction to show up in my wallet?
pankkake: a few seconds unless something is wrong
alystair: someone said they sent me 45000 doges after I paid them with paypal
alystair: but nothing shown up yet... it's been like 20 minutes now
mircea_popescu: alystair a block is about ten minutes, but a wallet should show tx in the pool as unconfirmed
mircea_popescu: so... half an hour ?
mircea_popescu: o doge. that i have no idea.
alystair: oh oops, I'm talking in wrong room
punkman: doge's like a block per minute
mircea_popescu: there's a doge-assets ?
pankkake: it's easy to resend them too; getrawtransaction <txid>; sendrawtransaction <theresult>
pankkake: so ask him to resend it, or even, give you the raw tx so you can send it
jurov: http://xkcd.com/1319/ amen
ozbot: xkcd: Automation
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
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asciilifeform: "something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand that needs to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower. that happened to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe two. first, the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and they won't be as skilled or even as smart -- what was once dedication is replaced by greed and someti ☟︎
asciilifeform: mes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field...."
asciilifeform: (herr naggum. http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html)
mircea_popescu: myeah.
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deego: God. I hate Naggum. The ultimate troll/flamer. Just because he's dead, people start worshipping him now.
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/frolova_nina/status/425705073818095616
ozbot: Twitter / frolova_nina: @Mircea_Popescu Your help is ...
mircea_popescu: i'm selling my interest in nina, taking bids.
mircea_popescu: deego i suspect stan worshipped him before he died.
asciilifeform: funnily, i never once spoke with herr n. when he was alive
asciilifeform: and sort of hated his guts
mircea_popescu: now that's interesting.
mircea_popescu: how come ?
asciilifeform: i took the side of some of the people he was flaming (in my head)
asciilifeform: because at the time i was quite irritated with commonlisp.
mircea_popescu: that;s always a good reason to like a person, neh ?
deego: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.lisp/IXRNCJo_G3k
ozbot: Google Groups
deego: and https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emacs/FyjThnjJ6LU/N06te0FleAkJ
asciilifeform: (example: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3182446271277745@naggum.net.html)
deego: asciilifeform: Oh, I like lisp, but a complete asshole and a jerk is still a jerk. :)
asciilifeform: i was a lurker of the worst degree - several years after the fact.
deego: author of such gems as " do the world a huge favor and commit suicide tonight."
asciilifeform: deego: it helps to know the context.
asciilifeform: some of the people he dealt with really were living garbage of the most noxious sort.
asciilifeform: ex: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185391497019108@naggum.net.html
mircea_popescu: deego perhaps unbeknownst to you, you're in a pit where assholes and jerks are properly revered as the kings of all creation. which they are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which brings to mind : redditard wisdom is now that "i edited" the niggers article, because rather than wrap their stupid heads around the fact they couldn't matte rless,
mircea_popescu: claiming the sun set in the east some time last month is a much easier solution.,
mircea_popescu: on reddit.
asciilifeform: hm. kid at racetrack: 'damn those things are loud, and they stink.' old man: 'unbeknownst to you, you're in a pit where loud, stinking things are revered.' kid: goes home, smears shit on himself, yells 'vroom! vroom!'
mircea_popescu: gagaga
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / My name is Vitaly Chernikov, i am 28 years/ my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
asciilifeform: the sad part is that even naggum's idiots were livelier and more interesting than modern ones (that i know of)
mircea_popescu: kako is going to end up sending openbsd a bill.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is something otherworldly about the sack of shit that goes "i'll just sit here and pretend, no matter what"
asciilifeform: much the same psychiatric aspects as the case of an ordinary spammer. who doesn't see the channel as a place with people, but as a receptacle
asciilifeform: like a urinal
asciilifeform: or, to be charitable, an altar
mircea_popescu: jesus, so much capitalisation drama in lisp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform arguably, the libertard is pissing in his own mouth tho.
asciilifeform: 90% of the drama was in the form of A: 'standard is crap!' B: 'no it isn't, i love it' A: ok, how about this B: yeah, maybe this should've been different A: let's change it B: no, you'll break my satellite/aircraft carrier/jacuzzi
asciilifeform: (standard being ANSI INCITS 226-1994)
mircea_popescu: perhaps. the way it reads to me is more like boys tring to come to terms with questions of hierarchy and submission in an extremely complex environment
asciilifeform: it was exactly this
mircea_popescu: with the result that the work needed on average exceeds the work anyone's to put in
mircea_popescu: anyone' willing/able to put in i mean
mircea_popescu: welll... don't they play football in their spare time anymore, these people ? what do they do when they're 15 ?
asciilifeform: plenty of args re: business, etc
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185359514853009@naggum.net.html
ozbot: Re: LispWorks Pricing Information from Xanalys - Naggum cll archive
asciilifeform: "the regulators are fully to blame for the inability of societies to value software properly..."
mircea_popescu: 0.o
asciilifeform: more re: hierarchy: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242144155107453@naggum.no.html
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asciilifeform: but i'll stop here. anybody who wants these knows where to find them.
asciilifeform: (xach has the whole thing, at least as far as usenet goes.)
mircea_popescu: " What you could do is take this back to the drawing board, declare yourself unfit to make technical decision because of too much personal involvement, and let other people find ways to reach all of your (technical) goals while breaking none of other people's goals and needs. "
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this ever happened.
asciilifeform: doubtful.
mircea_popescu: so then what am i to think of someone who proposes someone else should do what has never happened.
mircea_popescu: maybe naggum should fart magical pie out of his ear that convinces princess diana to learn how to lisp.
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / My name is Vitaly Chernikov, i am 28 years/ my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
asciilifeform: lusers don't kill themselves at the behest of a fiery flame, either
asciilifeform: but it doesn't hurt to suggest it politely.
asciilifeform: some people may get the message.
mircea_popescu: ok, let's take the final portion. "reach all your goals w/o breaking other people's "needs" ?!
mircea_popescu: has THIS ever happened ?
asciilifeform: naggum, in case this doesn't come across in his posts, did not want to popularize common lisp.
asciilifeform: and frequently hammered people who mentioned having this goal.
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mircea_popescu: " Each and every time someone in the Computer Science field has a Bright Idea, the world had better be prepared to adapt, because Here Comes Genius and everything everybody has done needs to be done differently from now on, because This Genius Knows Best."
nubbins`: pankkake i used to work at a place that did .net development, this one dev purchased his own high-end mac workstation and ran windows in a VM to do his coding
mircea_popescu: someone should write the naggumtropes website.
pankkake: nubbins`: oh, I've seen similar horrible things
pankkake: *sysadmin* running windows on a mac
nubbins`: he used TimeMachine for version control
pankkake: lollll
asciilifeform: i know several people, who will remain nameless, who do variations on this theme.
nubbins`: all the same, he never had any problems with it
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: entertain us or get out. or at least sell your daugther
nubbins`: every now and then his windows vm got messed up and he'd just fire up a new one
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is SOP in crapware analysis
mircea_popescu: " I prefer a society based in the rule of law to groups of eager people with bright ideas who ignore everything that has gone before them." << we now have the definition of the old fart.
nubbins`: SOP for sharepoint development too
nubbins`: way too easy to fuck up your whole install
mircea_popescu: pankkake what, he's still here ?
pankkake: yes, with the same message
mircea_popescu: if more people went to school and got internet,
mircea_popescu: more people would be here saying the same interesting thing
mircea_popescu: multiple times.
mircea_popescu: how could one not be a progressive ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, study material re winter and cars :
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/d1814c467030c83e0988ff8e29761517/tumblr_mmjclqZgkA1rhd9f2o1_1280.jpg
VitalyChernikov: I do not know what to do futher, how start developing and how redistribute my time. I only have time from 4 a.m. to 7 a.m before main job. And after job I there 7 p.m. to 11 p.m. I do home work.
VitalyChernikov: There variants to resign from main job and start develops
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kakobrekla: i dont see a time window for spamming -assets inthere'
mircea_popescu: if she turned you'd notice the wifi wifeplug
asciilifeform: wifeplug?
mircea_popescu: yes. gfplug goes in teh front, wifeplug goes in the back.
mircea_popescu: it's really very complicated.
asciilifeform: whole field, 'dildonics,' as i understand.
mircea_popescu: dildo-nix
mircea_popescu: they argue a lot about flavour, instead of case.
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is drunk I see
mircea_popescu: wait wut /
pankkake: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/01/21/why-bitcoin-matters/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&
jurov: VitalyChernikov: what about replacing these fans in your machine?
jurov: and if it's still noisy due to hdd, teach ur wife to bear it
asciilifeform: "A random spectator at a televised sports event held up a placard with a QR code and the text “Send me Bitcoin!” He received $25,000 in Bitcoin in the first 24 hours, all from people he had never met."
blg: andreesseen is who backed coinbase for 25 million, the author of that article
asciilifeform: and you people wonder where the beggars come from.
blg: lol nice nick
mircea_popescu: blg well it's nice to see people are coming to terms with it.
kakobrekla: from new york?
blg: yeah Andreessen Horowitz is a very famous VC firm in the silicon valley
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mircea_popescu: srsly ?
asciilifeform: they're funding.... urbit.
blg: yes
blg: i have a friend who's company might get backed by them
VitalyChernikov: jurov: It is any way not suitable carrying big PC to kitchen and back. And some times I may work at coworking office out off home
blg: i live in silicon valley
mircea_popescu: ;;ident AndreessenHorowitz
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
mircea_popescu: well, they got a ways to go yet.
pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreessen_Horowitz#Exits lol
ozbot: Andreessen Horowitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
jurov: VitalyChernikov what have fans to do with kitchen? learn englich properly first
blg: lol groupon
blg: and lol instagram
jcpham: teespring most recently
kakobrekla: its learn england, jurov .
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: why does it have to be a macbook?
jurov: lrn totly yea
kakobrekla: cause macfag.
mircea_popescu: so why would your friend wish to associate himself with the groupon scammers ?
mircea_popescu: blg ^
blg: what do you mean scammers?
VitalyChernikov: Because on Macbook you can install both MacOs and Windows 8!
blg: groupon was legit until their CEO ran it in to the groud
mircea_popescu: i mean people who make false statements to collect money from suckers, and then fail to deliver
mircea_popescu: you know... scammers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people will do literally anything if they think it will set them free from work-prison.
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mircea_popescu: hahaha o i see, much like say what, skepsidyne ?
blg: well andreessen exited way before all that
mircea_popescu: blg but they pushed it, didn't they ?
jurov: VitalyChernikov: if you can't fix noisy machine then you won't get a satoshi, i'm afraid
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: both being terrible choices, especially since you pretend you want to write Android applications
blg: i guess
blg: how is groupon a scam
blg: i've never used it
pankkake: you pretend to have a job and a wife, yet spend your time begging for 2 BTC?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but it's a little ridiculous that they seem to somehow have constructed a pretend-world where they don't even have to consider what they're doing.
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asciilifeform: 'the sleep of reason births monsters' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: blg groupon is a scam in the manner the web start-up circus is a scam. make website with no utility, pretend huge customer base that doesn't exist or is bught, pretend huge growth that doesn't exist or is manufactured,
mircea_popescu: list the thing and split with the ipo proceeds.
blg: oh hah
blg: well groupon should have taken the 6 billion dollar offer from google
blg: that was the mistake of a lifetime there
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
blg: same with snapchat
blg: 3 billion from facebook
blg: suckerberg is a douche i would have loved to see his face though
mircea_popescu: cat-in-the-bag trading may be great comedy, but it's not business.
asciilifeform: in other news, http://cryptome.org/2014/01/spoiled-onions.pdf
blg: lol
blg: i have access to the #1 tor exit node
blg: #1 in throughput i mean
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asciilifeform: to be fair, this is really 'amateur hour'
asciilifeform: as if it escapes anyone's attention that ssl-mitm is readily detectable.
asciilifeform: (when lacking the root key, that is. the people who have the latter, however, needn't screw with tor; they diddle your packets wherever they like.)
mircea_popescu: "Visits to Wikipedia had previously risen steadily year-on-year for a decade. Towards the end of the 2012 this trend not only stalled, but went into an unprecedented decline."
mircea_popescu: i wish to officially take credit for this.
mircea_popescu: fu, retardopedia.
asciilifeform: other explanation: wik. struck a deal with google to be removed from the pagerank engine
asciilifeform: so people stopped spamming it
asciilifeform: (for the most part)
asciilifeform: and turns out most of the visitors were... spammers.
mircea_popescu: sure, sure.
mircea_popescu: coincidentally, i also blogged about what a pos it is, about on the same timeline
mircea_popescu: i still wish to take credit for it.
blg: what alternative do you recommend for wikipedia
mircea_popescu: an education.
pankkake: you're just upset because there is no Wikipedia article about the great Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu: there is no possible alternative. no magic trick will make you be knowledgeable, other than actually being knowledgeable.
mircea_popescu: pankkake uh isn't there ?
mircea_popescu: i recall they wanted a pic and so i licensed some at some point
mircea_popescu: ie, gpl-released
mircea_popescu: hm i guess there isn't.
mircea_popescu: well, maybe if i take up soccer.
pankkake: or become a pokémon
mircea_popescu: what's involved in becoming a pokemon ?
VitalyChernikov: What i do?? I fucked!! I terrorizу chat instead start working!!
pankkake: yes
pankkake: CoinTerra miners: http://cointerra.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_1673.1.jpg
mircea_popescu: the people or the empty boxen ?
dub: fanboxen
Duffer1: looks like the activeminer pics
dub: s/activeminer/bfl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00099586 = 34.5563 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: they're "tweaking boards" but no performance indication
mircea_popescu: s/ needs to be recursinve now
mircea_popescu: pankkake wouldn't it kick ass if the miners actually had non-planar boards
mircea_popescu: cause they got tweaked you see.
pankkake: I have some non-planar boards
pankkake: but it wasn't planned
mircea_popescu: haha
Duffer1: http://instantrimshot.com/ >.<
ozbot: Welcome to Instant Rimshot
Namworld: are the cointerra workers 15 or what?
dub: foreground dude looks like rg
Namworld: They could be same family too. "Hey kids, do you want a bigger allowance? Daddy needs help to build fanboxes. It's some sort of weird fetish porn. Some people get excited and throw money at you when you show them fanboxes."
pankkake: needs more miners with fan leds
nanotube: mircea_popescu: nice work on openbsd :)
mircea_popescu: as per usual, i did none of the work,
mircea_popescu: i'm just taking all the credit.
nanotube: heh
mircea_popescu: hehe
mgio: hello everyone
kakobrekla: hi
Uglux: hi
pankkake: http://just-dice.blogspot.com/2014/01/no-refunds-no-exceptions.html
ozbot: Just-News @ Just-Dice: NO REFUNDS -- NO EXCEPTIONS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.615 = 1.845 BTC [-]
TomServo: wat
kakobrekla: surprise surprise.
TomServo: Doog did a doge-dice site?
kakobrekla: ya
kakobrekla: doh!
TomServo: what the...
pankkake: yes; after all, it's the most serious altcoin to ever come
Duffer1: .....................
kakobrekla: just wait until doge is 100$.
kakobrekla: 3 spans of the universe, tops.
mircea_popescu: pankkake look at that, these filthy bitbet scammers taking over the world.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02410416 = 0.5785 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: how?
pankkake: maybe I should have invested in bitbet after all…
mircea_popescu: how dare just-dice not refund people's losses!
mircea_popescu: this is the internet! on the package in which internet came, it clearly said it's an enjoyable experience.
pankkake: funnily I'm still at a slight loss as an investor
mircea_popescu: the luser has already paid aol 30 bucks, he is E.N.T.I.T.L.E.D. to everything else now
mircea_popescu: what the fcuk
pankkake: the internet failed by not having micropayments early
pankkake: now every website is supposed to sustain itself by advertising
mircea_popescu: the internet failed by not having payment well sorted out BEFORE it allowed undegrads access.
dub: lel
dub: what degrees do you hold again mp?
mircea_popescu: this created 10-15 years of dead air during which every fuckwit ended up with delusions of equality with the class of people who rightfully had free internet everytthing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.615 = 1.845 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dub http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014#444346 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but that's besides the point. i have no problem paying for shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00099591 = 18.3247 BTC [+]
dub: arts, impressive
mircea_popescu: not everyone can be smart enough to go into tech :D
dub: tech is more about sucking the right dick
pankkake: how so?
mircea_popescu: i was being sarcastic yo. i did physics before i did philosophy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02579999 = 0.1806 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0241 = 0.482 BTC [-]
dub: corporate life, even in engineering, is more about your network than education
jcpham: dub tell us how you really feel
dub: dem feels
mircea_popescu: tech as an intellectual pursuit has nothing to do with tech as a job.
dub: true
mircea_popescu: jobs as organised by people who don't customarily use weaponry would necessarily degenerate in the equivalent of the female chimp flea picking fest.
mircea_popescu: nttawwt.
dub: ;;ud nttawwt
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NTTAWWT | Not That There's Anything Wrong With That. (Origin: Seinfeld?)
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: NTTAWWT
pankkake: oh
dub: ty ud
mircea_popescu: wow, i had just made it up
mircea_popescu: or so i thought.
dub: I thought mp has keyboard tourettes
pankkake: thougt it was a variation of "awww"
mircea_popescu: jesus one can't even be autistically clever anymore.
pankkake: but that shorthand can be useful, as I'm often to lazy to say the full sentence
mircea_popescu: unpronounceable tho
mircea_popescu: 1nttawwtplzdonateguise.
mgio: has anyone seen ukyo around recently?
dub: try #scamtown
pankkake: oh he's not there anymore?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen ukyo
gribble: ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <Ukyo> thats been the promise all along VanCleef
Duffer1: try #bitfunder
mircea_popescu: did they cover in the end as promised or how did that end up ?
jurov: he's sometimes on #bitfunder or #weex
jurov: and they paid only 2% of that
jurov: the rest is "not accessible"
Duffer1: not accessible how?
kakobrekla: meaning they dont have it.
jurov: even the 2% claims interface has bitcoind outages every now and then
jurov: ukyo always carefully avoids disclosing how
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7253 @ 0.0009927 = 7.2001 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: fascinating
mgio: its horrible
mgio: i'm owed 250 coins
dub: that was stupid
Duffer1: i'm sorry to hear that man
mgio: thats a buttload of money
mgio: unfortunately it looks like its lawyer time
mgio: its enough moeny that i have no other choice
kakobrekla: well at least you are on the right path, being here.
jurov: mgio, let me know if you do some moves, i can throw something in
mgio: last i heard he still cliams to plan on playing everyone back and even paying all back dividends on ukyo.loan bonds, but he hasn't said anything in a while now
mircea_popescu: jurov sad.
jurov: it's "only" 28btc in it for me
mircea_popescu: so you saved openbfd ?
jurov: yep :)
mircea_popescu: wd man.
dub: openbfd eh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [-]
vial: assbot: http://www.xnxx.com/video3362155/ream_and_scream_giant_butt_plug
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00099177 = 14.2815 BTC [-] {2}
dub: vial: sounds like a good summary of the ukyo situ
mgio: its very sad lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04900102 = 0.147 BTC [-]
pLambert: is S.MPOE really worth a billion USD?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00099183 = 2.2812 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04870022 = 2.435 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15978 @ 0.00099183 = 15.8475 BTC [+]
FakeVolumeBot: pLambert: yes!
mircea_popescu: is the usg really worth 10 trillion usd ?
pLambert: no, the USG is worth -10 trillion USD, they are in deep debt!
mircea_popescu: http://sonsofanarchy.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:
ozbot: User talk: - Sons of Anarchy
mircea_popescu: derp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 88 @ 0.00372 = 0.3274 BTC [-]
pankkake: mircea_popescu: it's me
mircea_popescu: what's teh anarchy wikia thing ?
pankkake: it's a TV series
pankkake: I fixed a typo with that IP I guess
mircea_popescu: the stuff you do lol
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/bc9e0bc308957cb49209be24aabc2489/tumblr_mk5bdwW3mv1rokzhio1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: related.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18319 @ 0.00099211 = 18.1745 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the 30 minute thing : maybe time to include some nuclear power.
mircea_popescu: that way you can time even when offline. also good in space.
asciilifeform: pocket nuclear power for beginners: a ten-second intro!
asciilifeform: 1) buy 'traser' key chain.
asciilifeform: 2) small photovoltaic cells, from pocket calculators.
asciilifeform: 3) you can just possibly power a pocket calculator.
mircea_popescu: http://depletedcranium.com/my-attempt-to-import-tritium-key-chains/
ozbot: Depleted Cranium » Blog Archive » My Attempt to Import Tritium Key Chains
asciilifeform: yet Am-241 pissing gamma from the ceiling is 100% legal.
mircea_popescu: no, it's legally required.
alystair: I have a few of those actually
alystair: tritium trinkets
asciilifeform: tritium gun sights are also widely sold here.
alystair: I have one on my key chain, one in my backpack and 3 in a chain on my wall at home so I can be oriented when all lights are off
asciilifeform: naturally, the solution re: a traser battery is that the buyer must supply his own.
asciilifeform: just like the pipes sold across the street from where i live don't come with a bag of pot to smoke
mircea_popescu: what happens if you crush one of these ?
asciilifeform: and inhale it?
asciilifeform: probably similar to visiting Pripyat in terms of 'millideaths' (or whatever the fashionable name for this phenomenon was)
asciilifeform: you will need a hammer and anvil.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, most of the us could produce radon gas by the bucket.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if radon works for this application
asciilifeform: all of NYC, if i recall, is sitting on thorium ore.
asciilifeform: radon: 4 d. half life?
mircea_popescu: let's not mix wow into this
alystair: uh
alystair: you'd get more damage from the glass shards than the gas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.00274035 = 0.4001 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999998 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: seems it's about half a curie's worth
mircea_popescu: suppose the truck carrying these falls off a bridge.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00274 = 0.148 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: (generally, a ton of naturally occuring uranium is about 1/3 curie or so)
mgio: you can't even get thorium lantern mantles anymore :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6044 @ 0.00099735 = 6.028 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999998 = 0.15 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: tritium, afaik, won't bio-accumulate
asciilifeform: outside the body, it does exactly nothing (alpha emitter)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00273001 = 0.1911 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999998 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.0027101 = 0.6044 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.04999998 = 0.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 251 @ 0.0027101 = 0.6802 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 206 @ 0.0027101 = 0.5583 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00270025 = 2.7003 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12025 @ 0.00099564 = 11.9726 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04999998 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04999998 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 743 @ 0.0027002 = 2.0062 BTC [-]
copumpkin: MPOE is on fire!
truffles: who got insulted this time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 120 @ 0.0008704 = 0.1044 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: wonder what's up with PETA
Duffer1: is cointerra shipping?
Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426406.0
ozbot: [PRE IPO] Looking for IPO - Attention MPOE MPEX MPOE-PR
diametric: lol...
pankkake: I don't get it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00099095 = 65.0063 BTC [-] {6}
Duffer1: he posted in the jimmothy hate fest thread, not sure if serious
copumpkin: I fucking hate the kind of thinking that went into that post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00099085 = 8.8186 BTC [-]
Duffer1: "thinking"
copumpkin: well, it's so widespread that I need to call it something
copumpkin: "I have a random idea. It'll be great! I just need a bunch of people to actually do it now..."
Duffer1: muppetry is a good one i've adopted recently
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 100mn valuation ?
mircea_popescu: teh forum trollage is getting pretty good.
Duffer1: oh i dunno prolly
rattaTATpewpew: san francisco kinda sucks
Duffer1: i got about tree fiddy on it
mircea_popescu: copumpkin dontcha wanna be on the board ?
dub: thats moar like, I had an idea, here take it
copumpkin: lol
copumpkin: totally man
copumpkin: let me throw a few million after it too
copumpkin: after all, it'll be worth $100m or more, it's a great investment
mircea_popescu: i had a brilliant idea yesterday
mircea_popescu: the problem is... i had it between drinks and tits
mircea_popescu: and now i don't remember it.
dub: I do that all the time
kakobrekla: yes dude wants to list on mpex http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4652318#msg4652318
dub: OMG this will change everything I should write it down before I go to slee.. zzz
mircea_popescu: it's more a case of "am i going to say "honey wait just a second i need to jot some words down" and look like a dork or am i going to remember it when i'm done with her ?"
mircea_popescu: one's vanity tends to flatter themselves.
truffles: dictate to one of the 3
dub: yeah the other one is this is too important to forget.. no wai I'll forget this!
mircea_popescu: i write faster than i speak
kakobrekla: lol
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: he asked for MPOE-PR
copumpkin: time for a smackdown
copumpkin: :P
mircea_popescu: whoa that thread
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4646882#msg4646882 i'm with kako
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00099085 = 22.096 BTC [-]
Duffer1: ya asking for money from you in the same thread he calls you a "die hard racist" lol
Duffer1: this thread has cheered me up a lot
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is that if a bunch of oldtimers whom we won't name didn't think themselves smarter than me back in 2011, and said no to teh pirate guy when i said no to teh pirate guy,
mircea_popescu: there'd have been no pirate guy in 2011.
copumpkin: lol
mircea_popescu: arguably the difficulty exponential has washed all that into irrelevance, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: and i lost count on mnw, is the guy meanwhile scammy or unscammy ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00597012 = 0.1194 BTC [-]
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yay, you're talking about me XD
Azelphur: although amusingly I lost more to butterfly labs than I did to pirateat40
kakobrekla: lmao.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur i'm talkin' about the lot o yuz, but hey. in another year tops it'll be more like good around-the-fire stories
Azelphur: haha, I still tell it like a good around the fire story
Azelphur: between BFL and Pirate, 650 BTC down the drain
mircea_popescu: so you saved like thirty or so openbsds.
mircea_popescu: good for you.
Azelphur: xD
dub: did you forget the other great paradigm of the gen-e(ntitled)? Its not crime if I'm on prozac
mircea_popescu: dub poor stormy.
Azelphur: on the bright side, I'm sitting on ~110 BTC in coin and one massive investment :p
dub: or the MNW defence
Azelphur: baring in mind I started off broke and in my parents attic, I can't complain.
kakobrekla: you want a fire story?
kakobrekla: i drive 500 btc car.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur baring is what chicks do to their tits.
Azelphur: kakobrekla: nice, I can't beat that, although I do have a 5 BTC doorbell.
mircea_popescu: bearing is what you to to said chicks once you start supporting their body weight.
mircea_popescu: "nude grammar with mp", i should publish that.
Azelphur: xD
Duffer1: kakobrekla 1990s honda civic? :P
kakobrekla: a tad newer.
Duffer1: 2001 honda civic?
Azelphur: from back when I was trading I have some hilarious stuff from customers
Azelphur: like a ~35BTC Shaving kit
Duffer1: oo DE only way to shave
kakobrekla: lol whats with the honda
alystair: desert eagle?
Azelphur: xD
Duffer1: dual edge :P
Duffer1: r/wicked_edge
alystair: my razerblade has 4 edges
alystair: used at he same time.
Duffer1: probably the most valuable reddit ever
alystair: :V
mircea_popescu: real men wear beards
Duffer1: and the neck?
kakobrekla: yes, they have one.
Duffer1: i'm curious which car you got for 500 kako
pankkake: I hope it was a Fiat!
kakobrekla: lmao
kakobrekla: Duffer1 vw golf
Duffer1: oh you euros and your tiny ass cars wtf
kakobrekla: german qualitat
Duffer1: more like VW golf cart
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: o that was good
assbot: Last 20 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1563392/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 20 ✂︎
kakobrekla: shit happens.
mircea_popescu: it's two cycle right ?
kakobrekla: :p
mircea_popescu: i hear vw got its start in business by making window wiper engines for cadillac
mircea_popescu: is this true ?
mircea_popescu: apparently reddit has decided mpex fee is now 50 btc ? shouldn't i at least be notified ?!
dub: make it 100
kakobrekla: hey dunno, im the dumb one here apparently.
asciilifeform: MAX_INT
kakobrekla: MININUM
mircea_popescu: haha
dub: must be dumb, you couldnt pay me 500btc to take a vw golf
kakobrekla: yes, we established taht already
dub: yes we did
kakobrekla: you have to step over me now?
kakobrekla: should i be making squeeking noise?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm curious, what do you think about all this chatter of $10k by the end of the year? XD
dub: no, when it breaks down you can blow me though
mircea_popescu: Azelphur well there's a bet
Duffer1: actually some of those golfs look pretty sharp
Azelphur: with facebook and others jumping on board, I think it could happen o.O
kakobrekla: see the thing is, its cheaper to fix golf here than your mazda
mircea_popescu: "Why would a stock want to list on mpex for 30btc vs another exchange for much less?"
mircea_popescu: such epic inquiries.
mircea_popescu: like... you know, they could list on the nyse
asciilifeform: 'why buy ice cream? i can get liquid shit for much less'
kakobrekla: any anyway, golf is like a tank, it doesnt like to break
asciilifeform: 'and freeze in my freezer'
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: btw, do you have to pay 30 BTC to list on top of the registration fee? or is it just the registration fee
mircea_popescu: i hear it's "buy niderauer an eggplant calzone these days,
mircea_popescu: and you're all set.
pankkake: I hear the NYSE is accepting scams
dub: asciilifeform: alaskan pipeline?
mircea_popescu: Azelphur well you gotta have an account to list is all.
Azelphur: cool
dub: ;;ud alaskan pipeline
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=alaskan%20pipeline | n: the act of pooping in to a condom, freezing the rubber overnight, then inserting it in to ones anus. Invented at the University of Iowa by Brian...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: alaskan pipeline
mircea_popescu: for all i care, you can go through a specialist investment banker.
mircea_popescu: not that any exist
mircea_popescu: but if legitimate stuff came along that legitimately couldn't afford it, im sure the service would pop.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00099714 = 27.5211 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: will eventually happen
copumpkin: has MPOE hit 0.001 yet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not yet.
copumpkin: err, I think you have a bug
copumpkin: on the mpex depth table
copumpkin: 18`446`744`073`709`502`4640.00099085
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: ^ :)
copumpkin: (happens to be awfully close to 2^64)
mircea_popescu: proxies being hammeredf to all shit
copumpkin: if I were to guess, someone convinced mpex to go negative on an unsigned 64-bit integer
Apocalyptic: that integer overflow
Duffer1: ddos?
pankkake: fake volume bot bug
Duffer1: hehe
copumpkin: seems like a good time to get a good sell :
copumpkin: :P
Apocalyptic: too bad that wasn't a marker order
copumpkin: lol
pankkake: I don't get this proxy thing, is there no central authority in mpex trading?
Apocalyptic: pankkake, must be
mircea_popescu: pankkake there is.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic not really, what happens is that a whole shitload of 1s get tacked on to the actual order
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12220 @ 0.00099085 = 12.1082 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so it ends up desplayed as gazilionty-whateveritwas
copumpkin: is that someone taking advantage of it just now?
mircea_popescu: copumpkin actual order was for like 15k
pankkake: so there are orders that shouldn't be there? how?!
copumpkin: was it malicious or a legit bug?
mircea_popescu: in some circumstances a certain proxy may end up misstating an order in that way.
mircea_popescu: it has to do with what happens once it loses connection but doesn't yet know it has.
mircea_popescu: fixing this has proven itself the most challenging one thing in the history of the exchange so far.
pankkake: that's the thing, I can't wrap my head about how it is designed :)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, heavy load favours it because it strains connections and so disconnects become more likely
pankkake: what about using GUIDs?
mircea_popescu: to do what with them ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9184 @ 0.00099083 = 9.0998 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: you submit an order with a GUID so you don't end up with duplicates
pankkake: but that accounts for my idea how how things work
mircea_popescu: what duplicates tho ?
pankkake: I thought it was the same order multiple times
mircea_popescu: nah, the order is say buy 5 at 15. the engine says so, the proxy ends up with the idea the order is 99999995 at 15.
pankkake: lol, but why :|
mircea_popescu: because complicated.
copumpkin: because your face
mircea_popescu: because it hates me
pankkake: because two cans and a string!
mircea_popescu: because wet noodle.
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426352.0 led me to http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Mutualwealth-Mutualweal-t433169.html&mode=linear
pankkake: this is a forum dedicated to ponzi scams?!
pankkake: what in the fuck
ozbot: High Frequency Trading with BitCoin
asciilifeform: there are fora dedicated to spamming.
pankkake: but not forums dedicated to being spammed