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n6: How do I boot without grub?
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n6: What is regular grub?
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danielpbarron: don't mind me, you should probably just start over
n6: I did that didn't work starting over right now..
trinque: the flag in make.conf was concerning which of several modules would be built
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trinque: calling all artists in la serenissima
pete_dushenski: it's hard enough to get people to test therealbitcoin, i'm not holding my breath that anyone will rise to the challenge here
trinque: I will admit to having drooled over the propaganda art of several such now-dead WoTs
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Replace eagle with Buttcoin miner
pete_dushenski: the throne chooses you anyways, not like soldier has a choice in the matter
n6: Now when i'm trying to boot from the usb it gets me to 2nd loading green just has red and yellow dots, and seems to stall
n6: I have made a mess of this gentoo thing.
n6: um, think it has to be gentoo here.
BingoBoingo: n6: If you want to follow the already trodden path set out by that guide sure? Why not let your freak flag fly?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i crapped out a 1.25 gig tcpdump :(
n6: Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly?
pete_dushenski: "This is clearly meant to be a derogatory term here despite wealth and prominent position being sine qua non for any sort of meaningful cultural perspective and despite the baseless implication that the world can be more accurately described from the worm’s perspective than the eagle’s."
pete_dushenski: "People working with you when you're a benevolent dictator loved and admired by all don't rebel because they like working with you. Not because they can't. They have to be able to, otherwise they're just as much dead weight, a set of paraplegic "sidekicks" in wheelchairs you have to push around. Incredible how distorted the ant's perception of the eagle's dare is"
mircea_popescu: <n6> I have made a mess of this gentoo thing. << dun worry, you;re not the first one
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mircea_popescu: i suspect only russian speakers remember english literature now.
BingoBoingo: <n6> Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly? << Hard to get more basic than Morpheus linux
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 05:27:46; asciilifeform: 'dulap' and 'zoolag' now running 80000.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything about 'basic' depends on to which facet of the thing 'basic' is aimed at
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux. << Maybe.
ben_vulpes: hm i can't find the dulap dns record in search.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: "There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess
mircea_popescu: for the record, lalage may be the worst female name ever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i re-saw der untergang today.
mircea_popescu: i think wiedling is my favourite character in the entire fucking story.
mircea_popescu: that thing when his adjutant saves him from impact and he pats the guy on the shoulder and spits...
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mats: association with mp and b-a is difficult enough as it is, plz no nazi logos
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BingoBoingo: "I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet. – Erik Naggum"
trinque: oh yeah? go to the portland django girls meetup and ask them how many of them are programmers
BingoBoingo: trinque: One of these days Imma make my own blog platform. Like wordpress but less shitty. Give it 20 years
trinque: make it a static site generator and you win
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BingoBoingo: trinque: For that werc seems fine. Almsot entirely static site plus comment form is the challenge
trinque: interesting, rc is the plan9 shell right?
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure rc is jsut the plan9 shell. On Openbsd I see those two letter attached to all kinds of scripts and Openrc is apparently best Gentoo init.
trinque: though yup, you see that around elsewhere too
trinque: in the case of the init systems
BingoBoingo: Maybe? Also a lot of stuff just works on a lot of shells
BingoBoingo: I guess plan9 shell could be named rc the same way apache, nginx, and 500 other things are named rc
trinque: could be it used to have a firm meaning then squished into "uh I dunno man, some shell script like thing"
BingoBoingo: The curse set upon us by Bell Labs is wildly different things running as the same names all because on some superficial level the function they try to do is "the same"
n6: Seems to be failing in the same spot again this time with everything done right.
n6: Yes lilo but not sure how to set it up to replace grub in this spot
n6: asciilifeform: could you help me?
trinque: lilo you're gonna have to run each time you change the kernel or end up unbootable
n6: I think its this version of gentoo its the same error as last time this time with all spelling right
trinque: asciilifeform: nah symlink for current kernel
trinque: doesn't lilo need to eat the kernel each time?
trinque: yet fuck having to get a boot disk
trinque: the fail mode of lilo is worse than the fail mode of grub
trinque: what's wrong with grub 0.9.whatever
decimation: grub struck me as being about 50x more complex than it needed to be
trinque: asciilifeform: ah derp I forgot the guide uses grub2
BingoBoingo: This init system is indeed very simple: "sinit exposes a set of operations via a FIFO. Normally this FIFO resides at '/var/run/sinit.fifo'. There are two commands currently supported, 'reboot' and 'poweroff'."
n6: asciilifeform: Still don't understand, lots of the stuff in this conf I don't know, yet
n6: Feel like it might really hurt to fail another time.
trinque: failure is also good for you
trinque: and is unavoidable when dealing with computers
n6: asciilifeform: How do I even find out what kernel i'm running to put into the config?
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n6: All i get for ls -l /boot is drwx------ 2 root root 12288 Aug 6 18:32 lost+found
n6: maybe its not mounted.
n6: telling me "/dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/gentoo/boot" but see nothing but lost+found
n6: Oh i must genkernel all first sorry.
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BingoBoingo: USia is fucked... Ted Cruz: "Let me contrast President Obama, who at the prayer breakfast essentially acted as an apologist. He said well gosh the crusades, the inquisitions ... We need a president that shows the courage that Egypt’s President al-Sissi did—a Muslim—when he called out the radical Islamic terrorists who are threatening the world."
BingoBoingo: Now USia isn't fucked because a candidate for executive and sitting senator said that. It is fucked because of all US lab states abroad Egypt seems the most appropriate to appeal to the crowds?
BingoBoingo: Trump just might end up the Grand Ole Party's nominee.
decimation: I'm pretty sure he's working for clitler
BingoBoingo: decimation: He is now, but if he gets the nomination...
BingoBoingo: Now I might be drunk, but it seems like the "news" business wants a Carly v. Trump GOP primary
BingoBoingo pretty sure on the off chance he got the nomination Graham would come out of the closet to steal Clitler votes
decimation: they want whoever will be the best circus clown for the democrats to hate upon
BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe? Generally they hope a democrat wins, but this is where they news channels make their money for the next four years.
n6: Getting End kernal panic not a syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on known-blog check
n6: asciilifeform: sorry to keep bugging you but any ideas?
BingoBoingo: Clitler v. Combover would be a battle of $140mil+graft vs. $980mil+differentgraft
BingoBoingo: n6: Practice on different *nic first. Install OpenBSD upgrade to stable. May have to patch bitcoind, but learn building from source in very documented way.
decimation: I don't get the lefty case for clitler
BingoBoingo: A true SJW would want Bernie Sanders to go "Jenner"
decimation: but clitler would immediately sell out to the highest bidder, doesn't even really pretend otherwise
n6: seems LILO is not stopping me from botting from USB
n6: Has to be gentoo sadly
BingoBoingo did not know would have been news. Already did that. If knew was news would have blogged it for the traffic.
BingoBoingo: Guess Gawker Media's special guest for their debate live blawg (hint: it was Obummer's lapdog Glenn Greenwald, citizen$maxint)
decimation: greenwald is a 'frenemy' of the democrats
decimation: I'm sure he enrages the bureaucrats that nominally work for obama
decimation: but he can't be disrespected without costing popular vote
BingoBoingo: I'm just amazed Omidyar cultured such true believers that his core would leave him to volunteer for Nick Denton
BingoBoingo amazed Caity Weaver had the integrity to leave Gawker and Gawker lacked the fortitude to drop Sam Biddle
BingoBoingo: Glenn if I see you tweeting any more good jokes instead of putting them here you will forfeit the iTunes gift card you were promised for this liveblog appearance"
BingoBoingo: I actually though am not inclined to blame Trump for his current place in USian electoral politics. Sometimes my nonegenarian Grandpa wants the yard cut short Friday so it looks good over the weekend. Other weeks, he tries to talk me into tilling the yard because the $10 of wheat he might grow in a year would be one appointment's copay at the audiologist.
BingoBoingo: The democratic primary debates will surely be a bigger farce though, mostly because to my knowledge none have been scheduled
BingoBoingo: Butt between Pareene and Greenwald abandoning Omidyar's pet for Gawker we must be able to imply where CIA favors.
n6: Hoping 3rd time is the charm
n6: might try openBSD after this..
BingoBoingo: n6: If open BSD best learning opportunity is installing "release" and then building "stable"
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decimation: I thought it actually was the case that japan was close to the bomb
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decimation: so that would be a ways away, but still on track
decimation: "On May 19, 1945, a Nazi submarine was captured and discovered to be delivering 1,200 pounds of uranium oxide to the Japanese military. "
decimation: they had a separate army research program
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BingoBoingo: Remember, in the future camels made detroit broke
phf_mobile: n6: ben_vulpes: still having an issue getting "bitcoin/src/serialize.h:963:10: error: class member cannot be redeclared" even with your callgraph.sh, what am I missing? << you have to comment out either one of the versions of void insert function, it's either one at 963 or 951. they are identical, but i'm sure they are there for some legacy type signature reasons
n6: Thanks I will look at that after my 3rd gentoo install attempt
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phf_mobile: i have a mac os x patch, but as i recall that's the only change required, and since i don't understand the implications, i didn't post it. it works when building with clang, but needs investigation why duplicate function to begin with
BingoBoingo: "Me Kind Arab" - Why did I not watch Mad Max earlier
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mircea_popescu: i suppose the equivalent would be going to pre-childbearing classes and asking them how many are goddesses.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> n6: mang don't use lilo << you know he just got advised to run lilo few hours back right here in our very own b-a.
mircea_popescu: we fucking need that holy distro already, stop frustrating innocent people's legitimate attempts.
trinque: thought poor mod6 was trying to standardize a process
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> we fucking need that holy distro already, stop frustrating innocent people's legitimate attempts. << Suckless hasn't finished sta.li yet
trinque: he had asked for the gentoo guide.
trinque: yeah, it's certainly not great
n6: I'm still running into the same error here "grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory."
BingoBoingo: So far it seems learnign curve for building whole OS is XBSD, Buildroot, Gentoo
BingoBoingo: Also what is up with Mel Gibson and half nekkid children
n6: oh Im not even sure what your asking here.
trinque: n6: my bad if I was demotivating you; I thought sticking to the guide strictly was the best way through
n6: mircea_popescu: How can I find out?
mircea_popescu: does it exist and so you got a path problem, or does it not exist so you got a failed to build problem
mircea_popescu: well i dunno, but in worst case find / -iname modinfo.sh ?
n6: trinque: this guide went much better then yesterday with aws
mircea_popescu: "did it work ?" "oh, no, but it failed more pleasantly"
BingoBoingo imagines if president trump is that Trilema.com will complain more about the president being a nigger
n6: I found it.. thanks for the help.
n6: no but I couldn't get efi to build.
mircea_popescu: hey, you wouldn't be trying to build a 64 bit thing on a 32 bit machine would you ?
n6: only the first 3 times.
n6: What do I need to change to get it work?
trinque: n6: that var referencing grub
trinque: well did you go with lilo? because that would then be elilo
n6: no i'm going to stick with the guide and do grub
trinque: mircea_popescu: this is where it's sorta hard to mask the essential complexity if the thing without making decisions for people
trinque: either I tell the guy set compatibility mode in the bios or I say get another boot loader
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hanbot: ;;later tell mod6 auto.sh successfully installed v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (boost downloaded automagically this run). will put together a recounting of steps and all, and move on to patching my way to stator.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "laundering" for sure. I mean private digital currency.
n6: what bootload will get this working right now and not lead to a 4th install
trinque: n6: switching to "CSM" mode in the efi settings
trinque: there's some key when you first boot up to get into the settings, enter on mine
n6: so my options are a 4th install with a bios setting or a 4th install?
mats: mircea_popescu: and USG is powerless to project power.
BingoBoingo: South China Sea. It's been reduced to an init system.
mats: carrier groups are formidable, sure, but DoD is well aware of their vulnerability
mircea_popescu: no idea why the aussies are trying to go after the proved-to-fail system (ships) instead of outright copying the chiense (missile batteries) but hey.
mats: a few well placed ATGMs, and everyone goes home
mircea_popescu: moreover : china has proved its ability to build 1k powerplants/year
BingoBoingo: South China Seas is roughly equivalent right now to linking war.o
mircea_popescu: it can churn out 100k of the damned things. there's no defending against missiles if "missiles" means, six digit moving items
mircea_popescu: aegis can't even track that many, because "nobody could have foreseen how useless this shit is"
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> aegis can't even track that many, because "nobody could have foreseen how useless this shit is" << I honestly have no idea what the limit is becasue seekrits.
n6: trinque: I still cant get modinfo.sh in an efi folder after changing grub_platforms file and emerge grub again
mircea_popescu: practically speaking, even a dozen requires a veteran crew.
trinque: n6: the guide you followed did not account at all for EFI
trinque: in the EFI case there's even another partition you must have
trinque: the CSM thing I suggested is a way of setting EFI computers into a compatibility mode that behaves like BIOS
n6: trinque: what will it take for me to not have to make a 4th install here. I read your links still don't understand, last time I went without this step it ended poorly.
trinque: you don't have to trash the whole thing; merely reboot, set CSM, boot the livecd, mount, and chroot again
trinque: but first you must figure out where you changed the system to support EFI and change it back
n6: so the grub_platform? or you mean another place?
trinque: this is in /etc/portage/make.conf
BingoBoingo: n6: Given a choice at all BIOS is prolly less horribru
trinque: these vars are confusing, because they are split, making them appear to be separate categories
trinque: most actually just enable some USE flags
trinque: maybe prefixed with something
n6: I changed it back to "pc" but mircea_popescu said that was, 32 bits I have 64?
n6: so I do this 32 bits then edit the bios?
trinque: those were separate concerns
trinque: if you have a 64bit computer, cool
trinque: ask, verbose, deep, new-use
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trinque: man emerge for more detail
trinque: n6: so do you get what we did there?
trinque: changed a setting in portage then told emerge to re-evaluate the currenty set list of desired packages (world) according to them
n6: No, trying to work out where I go next, lost my place in the guide now
n6: I still only have /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh
trinque: what's the matter with that? you're going to set CSM
trinque: you have no need for EFI; I wouldn't bother
trinque: grub2-install --target i386-pc
n6: tells me grub2-install: error: install device isn't specified.
trinque: what's your hard drive, sda?
trinque: n6: remember the partitioning step?
n6: bash: /dev/sda: Permission denied
trinque: ok. grub2-install /dev/sda
trinque: and if that doesn't work, try with the target flag in there too
trinque: which if it isn't what I put, it's "pc"
trinque: one of the major sources of pain in setting up linux this way is having different things which sound almost the same
trinque: how does grub refer to the system architecture? how does ....
n6: rub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. is what im getting.
n6: wait i might have --target in the wrong place
trinque: somehow you got it to double up the path bizarrely
n6: Um, I'm in way over my head and going on 17 hours of gentoo
n6: and I still yet to get anything work.
trinque: mircea_popescu: perhaps this calls for a video.
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trinque: or one of those terminal recording utils
trinque: n6: sounds like you've been hamstrung between efi and CSM (fake bios)
n6: Do they come with backdoors also?
trinque: your grub may have all kinds of knobs twiddled depending on what you did to try efi
trinque: does what come with back doors?
trinque: your everything has back doors
trinque: or who knows; I don't have evidence
trinque: but this decision wont help you in either case
trinque: because in both cases it'd be because of a flaw, and neither you nor I know of the particular flaws in your firmware
n6: I think only edited the grub_platform file to try efi
trinque: the other place you might've would've been /etc/defaults/grub
trinque: but that appears to pertain to the generation of grub's config, not its installation
n6: ls: cannot access /etc/defaults/grub: No such file or directory
trinque: yeah, I was wrong about the plural
n6: I don't have anything in this folder
trinque: so put your whole contents of your terminal after running grub2-install on dpaste.com
trinque: n6: did you run that emerge command?
trinque: it's still asking for efi things
n6: I think so let me try again what was it?
trinque: cat /dev/suffering > /dev/null
trinque: and take note of what changes it wants to make before saying yes
n6: Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 KiB
trinque: ok so on my end I'm on efi
trinque: if I add pc to grub platforms
BingoBoingo: <trinque> cat /dev/suffering > /dev/null ;;err suffering can not be null
trinque: but it can happen in a cruel, uncaring void
trinque: yes, yet grub2-install wants efi stuff
trinque: we are trying to discover why
trinque: a horrible economic process.
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trinque: same difference, just gentoo plus some other guy's opinions, but not easier
trinque: he's the original guy iirc but the difference between the distros is not much
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: cascadianhacker.com/367850.pcap
trinque: so that's what mine looks like when adding pc
ben_vulpes: aha i showed up in the middle of a gentoo quest i see
trinque: so we at least now rule out that the wrong variant of the package is installed.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I've got my winch
trinque: grub2-install --target=pc /dev/sda
n6: grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/pc/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or
trinque: n6: dpaste ls /usr/lib/grub/*
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ben_vulpes: trinque: but do you have a v8 and the electrical system to drive the thing
trinque: just a bad starter on this one
trinque: dropped in installation maybe
trinque: I think last time you put the whole path?
trinque: grub2-install --target i386-pc /dev/sda
☟︎ n6: seems to have worked.
n6: I still have to flip the bios
BingoBoingo: <trinque> same difference, just gentoo plus some other guy's opinions, but not easier << funtoo is actually gentoo with only OG dev's opinions
ben_vulpes: does the character now have a spaceship?
n6: do I need grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
trinque: n6: yup, finish up the guide
ben_vulpes: <trinque> oh yeah? go to the portland django girls << you've actually done this?!
trinque: shit no, I just know some derps
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You ever interview peeps for a customer service job before?
ben_vulpes: in the sense that everything the shop does is customer service...
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah just didn't want to diverge him from the guide again
n6: trinque: doing that now brb.
trinque: mircea_popescu: mod6: this leads me to believe that the default for grub has changed
ben_vulpes: gentle mumblings while i slide the 14-incher in
ben_vulpes: iono bb i ask questions i don't answer them
trinque: yup, so if the recommendation switches to lilo, someone will have to verify that it works with that CSM mode
trinque: as elilo development has apparently died
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Assume your skull was rendered the consistency of rice pudding with a tack hammer, what would you immagine looking for in customer service folk?
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BingoBoingo: <trinque> yup, so if the recommendation switches to lilo, someone will have to verify that it works with that CSM mode << More likely switch to bootstrap
trinque: but that's a good example of a decision a n00b doesn't need to know exists
BingoBoingo: make kernel.c, make install, make clean???
trinque: I missed what you're talking about is all
trinque: there's a bootloader called bootstrap?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Ah bootstrap is the whole linux alf recommends
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm not a derpy bureaucrat, i eat derpy bureaucrats for lunch
trinque: BingoBoingo: oh right, and in fact I pondered that too
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Any insight into what they like. I'm asking for the cause of bleeding some fiat off of Illinois.
ben_vulpes: go in, be humble, pretend to be magnificently stupid and rule-followy while still somewhat savvy
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BingoBoingo: trinque: But for a build your first *nix Upgrading OpenBSd to -stable seems best documented
trinque: BingoBoingo: buildroot you meant, right?
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> "yes massa", in another age << How many weeks do you think I can pull off black face for that affirmative action. I think I might be able to do the six months it takes for Da Union to kick in, but...
trinque: I think what happened here is that grub may have switched the default target
trinque: if this is the case, the guide could specify known good versions of the components installed
☟︎ BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Just seeking you insight as an upstanding 'Murican employer
trinque: this causes a problem in the opposite direction when versions disappear from gentoo
ben_vulpes: <n6> might try openBSD after this.. << openbsd, an os that doesn't take much fucking with where bitcoin might actually build with vs gentoo where its known to build but the os cannot be built by mortals.
trinque: I seent him standing up once
ben_vulpes: trinque: you've only ever seen me halfway keeled over under a boozeload
ben_vulpes off to sing at the wee gestational bairn
trinque: is this problem solved by someone just signing a disk image and being done with it?
☟︎☟︎ trinque: boot livecd, use dd, reboot
BingoBoingo: trinque: No, because filesystems need drivers
trinque: BingoBoingo: sure, just ship a kernel with all modules built and an initrd
trinque: as do the ubuntus and debians
trinque: I also already have tooling that shits out these disk images.
trinque: sounds like syslinux with dd on it and the thing could even be a script that says hi, which drive do you want me to obliterate?
trinque: you hit a number, dd runs and it reboots
n6: I still need grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
trinque: n6: yeah do everything the guide says
trinque: that one makes the grub config file
BingoBoingo: I go outside to piss on the runty rose bush to give it much needed nitrogen and coyote darts out from behind my own motorcarriage an nips me on the shin.
n6: wish my luck going to flip the bios
BingoBoingo: Fucking wild dogs that think they are small dogs ruining my chill weekday drinking night.
trinque: you've got a computer that's quite useful for development now
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n6: How would someone get gentoo installed without this level of support?
☟︎ trinque: I think the lesson here is that at least with current materials, they can't
☟︎ trinque: I'm thinking a screen recording of the whole process would be helpful
punkman: n6, I usually give up long before
trinque: I think it took me days to install gentoo the first time
trinque: "put together this car engine"
trinque: BingoBoingo: I depressed the shit out of myself listening to a Trump speech earlier
trinque: idiots are going to eat up his pandering tough guy act
trinque: look what the real estate bubble farted up
BingoBoingo: He's no more viable than the coyote I may or may not have kicked int he face in this past hour for the same reasons. He neck isn't strong. One swift kick to the neck and his head is in the wrong place.
trinque: I don't think for a moment that anyone outside the US will buy his act
trinque: he makes us look really weak
BingoBoingo: If he skips his aspirin he could clot out.
BingoBoingo: But as I said earlier media is proposing a Trump vs. Killed HP contest
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:14:16; trinque: grub2-install --target i386-pc /dev/sda
trinque: mod6: might also benefit from mentioning CSM on newer computers
punkman: and an anecdote from Belgium. Greek woman's parents, mined/shoveled coal. Greek woman was maid in hotel, a little later worked the hotel bar. She gets pregnant, goes on leave. When leave is over, manager helpfully fires her so he can spend time with kid and claim unemployment benefits.
punkman: Later, gets job offer through unemployment office. Manager asks if she has kids, oh you do? and you like them? naturally I won't hire you, so you can keep collecting unemployment. Next job, didn't look so great, she complains asks for different one. As the years pass, fewer job offers to fend off.
punkman: Old woman, still on unemployment now.
punkman: Oldest son works the Big Four mines. Not rich, but paying off the loans for a couple apartment buildings.
punkman: I'm guessing the cycle will be complete next generation.
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chetty: update right now!!! red flag for me, don't do it!
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shinohai: I am sure that update that was rushed out totally fixes all problems. You can trust us!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00057792 = 16.4707 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 01:16:51; BingoBoingo: Oh, so /r/coontown was banned
shinohai: cazalla: I think they are on voat somewhere, /v/niggers if memory serves ...
shinohai: Wait, there is a /v/coontown too
cazalla: too much effort shinohai, voat isn't that lulzy, it is just the more dedicated post 24/7 nigger hate type of shit
shinohai: I haven't made up my mind yet if I care about voat enough to keep participating.
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mircea_popescu: <n6> Um, I'm in way over my head and going on 17 hours of gentoo << take your picture with your sad face next to a screen with gentoo failing on it, i'll pay you 0.1 BTC. just to prove a point.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and just you, i don't wanna be fucking bankrupt over here.
shinohai: My only failure this week seems to be eulora, which I intend to remedy by not running on a shitty laptop.
mircea_popescu: shinohai no but i just feel for the guy, gentoo is the last thing that made me want to burn the world, and through a very similar process as he describes.
shinohai: I value my sanity which is why I just stick to Debian mainly.
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assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:21:08; ben_vulpes: "yes massa", in another age
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shinohai: ^ Breakfast at La Serenissma hotel
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:23:31; trinque: if this is the case, the guide could specify known good versions of the components installed
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assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:26:16; trinque: is this problem solved by someone just signing a disk image and being done with it?
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mircea_popescu: fuck alf's "fit in head". if it's large enough to ever need updating it shouldn't have made in the first place.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "everything that runs on this machine is fifty lines of code or less. one display page."
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chetty: fifty lines of code or less// so why even bother with a computer, just do it all in your head
shinohai: I just read that artice earlier this morning. Twas quite good.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:43:11; trinque: 17hrs isn't an awful score
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mircea_popescu: punkman he's probably in it for the titties. until he discovers some discoveries. which is in the end the point of both travel and being a young male.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 13:29:10; mircea_popescu: fuck alf's "fit in head". if it's large enough to ever need updating it shouldn't have made in the first place.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 13:29:19; mircea_popescu: i want an os made out of fucking pipes.
mircea_popescu: may i grow up into an adult as a personal process and in my own terms ? huh ? HUH ???
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 23:24:40; ascii_field: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{"sha512sum \"" $2 "\"" | getline x; split(x, a, " "); print $0 " " a[1]} !m { print $0 }'
mircea_popescu: it's one of the precursors. i saw that and i went "fucking hell, pipes. again. the solution."
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 07:12:05; mats: genius.
mircea_popescu: i know pretty much everyone here is very down on the whole concept, and perhaps you're right. but in point of fact, that thinking is at least in part supported by refusal to consider the plain fact that THERE IS NOTHING USEFUL FOR MOST WOMEN TO DO.
mircea_popescu: computers replaced secretaries. drones replaced soldiers. robots replaced coal miners. better detergents replaced the maid.
mircea_popescu: other than stay the fuck at home and have babies, or else go to the bar and dance (the vertical bar ; nude dance) there is jack for her to do.
mircea_popescu: this entire "monkey with electric typerwriter" pseudo-occupation play-pretend-job that unites gawker, reddit and 4chan is NOT IN FACT WORK
mircea_popescu: it's play-pretend work, for the intellectually immature girlies not yet ready to make their own dolls, still playing with barbie
mircea_popescu: and thinking making a bit of plastic "go naked to tea party" is a big todo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it still is. who wants most people as pets ? not even the coyotes.
chetty: some very limited thinking going on here
chetty: THERE IS NOTHING USEFUL FOR MOST WOMEN TO DO.// or men
Adlai: drones have not replaced soldiers, just relocated them into air-conditioned cubicles
Adlai: the classic soldier is about as useful as the classic knight
Adlai: "soldier" isn't over, but he can accomplish a lot more from much closer to the AC unit
mircea_popescu: but the original, socialistoid, eisenhowerian proposition that "soldiering's a job - full employment!" died in a pool of its own lye.
mircea_popescu: it's just, nobody cares about men, women people still care about.
Adlai: until some gaytheist alchemist figures out how to turn jizz into stem cells
mircea_popescu: i actually think its curve-based. women just have better aesthetics.
mircea_popescu: just like "the classical antiquity" seems to have made such excellent bronzes mostly because only the excellent ones survived the 9000+ cases where "must melt all bronze to make weapons".
Adlai: "gaytheist, adj: caring for neither beauty nor divinity"
chetty: <mircea_popescu> i actually think its curve-based. women just have better aesthetics.// thats a male point of view, I prefer male aesthetics myself
mircea_popescu: Adlai the only thing he can accomplish there is ben_vulpes' breakfast.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 10:53:39; assbot: There's a Firefox Exploit in the Wild—You Should Update Right Now ... (
http://bit.ly/1DuTYP5 )
mircea_popescu: "you roll 22 and bust, you should double your bid!!11"
Adlai: 5yoFF won't load Naphex's Options Emporium
mircea_popescu: who the fuck in his right mind goes for seconds at the place that fucked it up.
mircea_popescu: consumer culture, that's it. "the car you sold me sucked, i want you to give me another one"
mircea_popescu: why the everloving fuck would i want a car with better hidden failure modes from the creators of the car that sucked.
Adlai has progressed to doing most actual *work* from an X-less 'thin client', never been happier
Adlai: actual software runs on machines younger than a decade (but not much!), but it still has to speak text for this box to understand
mircea_popescu: and i am still reeling over how imbecillic philg got over the years srsly.
Adlai: load that into lisp, M-x slime-inspect, etc etc
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ironically, because puritans of the 50s thought that the foreskin is a major factor in the disease of gayness
Adlai nominates M-x slime-inspect as a valid web browser, especially after ,ql closure
mircea_popescu: and if ytou cut it off the boys will be protected by Utilihova from becoming filthy fags.
mircea_popescu: worked about as well as you'd expect, on the basis of the record of ustardian puritans.
mircea_popescu: (masturbation, spending time alone, and generally not being a jock also parts of disease of gayness)
Adlai: venn diagram of "jock" and "gay" disagrees...
mircea_popescu: and, i might add, symptomatically, for the perspectives of being a libertard, the newly branded ustardian puritan.
shinohai: Kellog also advocated yogurt enemas to fight masturbation, which in my mind was just kink.
Adlai: well they do say that it's useless until it reaches the gut, sounds like optimization to me
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mircea_popescu: !rate decimation -1 Guy's been soft working teh #b-a for about a year and a half. Needless to say, it didn't work out.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.decimation.-1:e02efb9e5119b44094f8e4c6c945e9317990425cc57168b24cb7ab8c0db78d5b
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for decimation with note: Guy's been soft working teh #b-a for about a year and a half. Needless to say, it didn't work out.
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ben_vulpes: <Adlai> drones have not replaced soldiers, just relocated them into air-conditioned cubicles << and only until the em wars get serious
mircea_popescu: i always wondered if any star trek fans ever wondered what happens to the spaceship once saying "shields up!!" "shoot lasers!!" etc stops returning "enemy destroyed"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform originally tried by michail paleologos as "heavenly host"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: forgive my thickness but what is the breakfast reference?
Adlai: it really just depends on the war
Adlai: ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ben_vulpes: probably, but now i can't find the line in the logz
mircea_popescu: admire the irony of having been defeated by a quote from a videogame, in your quest to defend the videogame war.
mod6: hanbot: good news! thanks for the update
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's five lines up from where you say "yes massa"
Adlai: far from a 'videogame war', modern warfare is still quite shitty, but the precise nature (taste, color, proportion of black bile vs yellow) changes
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 14:28:23; *: mircea_popescu is jetlagged.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is to some degree true. war changes to favour offensive or defensive in a cycle. there's an excelent scene in der untergang, where a veteran field officer surveying the killing zone through stereoscopic periscope sees a bunch of green vulksstrums and yells for them to get the very fuck out of there already!
Adlai: it's much easier to look at the nature of warfare and say, "oh, it's changing like this, or like that", but the much more significant changes are in its *objectives*
mircea_popescu: why ? why should he wish for this ? after all, goebbels well observed "their determination" will make up for the lack of weaponry.
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> why the everloving fuck would i want a car with better hidden failure modes from the creators of the car that sucked. << i was recently at a pitch from legaleze.io wherein the guy who runs the formdump site in question lionized marc andresen, and then displayed a pmarca tweet congratulating him for saying something 'grand' about 'software eating law'
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the vet knew enough from experience to know the war is now a defensive affair, and the only thing that matters is not being killed.
mircea_popescu: and the only thing "being a veteran" means is, "having loaded an endless list of don'ts"
ben_vulpes: why the shit do i want to listen to the asshole responsible for the broswer about how software is going to eat law?
Adlai: "it doesn't matter who's right, only who's left"
mircea_popescu: as orwell well observed, the airplane and the radio turned the war into a game of rats.
Adlai: both came long after the cannon
Adlai: which is itself dated by the crossbow
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes software is nevertheless eating law. except it happens somewhere other than there.
Adlai: the crossbow is the turning point where war went to shit
mircea_popescu: notrly. recall the unfortunate adventure of one mr orsini ?
ben_vulpes: i'm not arguing the point, i just don't see the point of engaging on 'formalizing the whole legal system' with a guy who generates xml from erb templates and thinks this is a good idea
Adlai: crossbow marks the point where camping became +EV
mircea_popescu: it's "to shit" every time the contest moves from "who can hold his position in front of enemy with nary a care" to "who can hide best".
mircea_popescu: in this sense it went to shit once legion surpassed phalanx.
ben_vulpes: moreover "software is eating the law in the sense that bitcoin is here and we do gpg contracts now" is...beyond the derps.
mircea_popescu: and it kept going to shit. once english bowmen owned french cataphracts
mircea_popescu: it's this entire "try to find a trend to stand in front of"
ben_vulpes: i finally left when he started talking about fuzzing the robocorps
mircea_popescu: "and here's me in front of the sphinx. notice this other guy is speaking to me about the sphinx"
ben_vulpes: anywayz, what's the story with decimation, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: it deeply fascinates me how alf does feel the need to maintain a -publicly stated!!!- corpus of humanities cannon, yet nevertheless does not feel this need about a corpus of software cannon.
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there's no story. i dun trust him, an' now you know i don't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know which of these a group noun falls into chiefly depends on how you examine.
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mircea_popescu: yet this same consideration (few foplks heard of) does not prevent you from linking say hasnasj
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's obviously self-healing. mention -> hearing.
mircea_popescu directs questions as to alf's interpretation of phenomena to alf directly.
ben_vulpes: i lack the cultural contex to appreciate "тунеядство" here
mircea_popescu: "Sweden has traditionally relied heavily on the strong protestant work ethic of its citizens. A cornerstone of the country's welfare system has been a population which has been reluctant to misuse the system. Although taxes have been high and government benefits generous, the strong work ethic has stopped people from taking advantage of the welfare state. Alas, this attitude has been largely abandoned. As time has pass
ben_vulpes: "compliance is a forest of fingers pointing at everyone else"
ben_vulpes: on a more interesting note, did you get a chance to digest my mL of pcap, asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: i plan to take a hammer to the coracle's blockchain soon, would like to know if you see anything interesting in it
ben_vulpes: i took a brief hack at figuring out how to parse pcap dumps, but not very successfully
mircea_popescu: “Why should I only get this handout only the months that I attend school?” Explaining that he needs money for going out with his friends and buying clothes all year round, the young author concluded: “I don’t have anything against working. But if the government doesn’t make sure that I have a job, it is their responsibility to pay me the handouts all year around”.
ben_vulpes: i am unsurprised to learn that software does not produce human parseable output at the command line
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't know what i want - this whole project is an endless barrel of 'wtf'
ben_vulpes: but with emphasis on the grand scope of my ignorance
ben_vulpes: ofc it makes sense that i'd have to fire up wireshark on this thing eventually
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do not be surprised that cli tools do not put out stuff in a format you don't know
☟︎ ben_vulpes: past experiments not worth mentioning.
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assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 14:52:22; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do not be surprised that cli tools do not put out stuff in a format you don't know
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: a) i don't know any formats and b) i stopped expecting things to behave in any particular way when i realized that "tar" is "tape archive"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't exactly know how they'd do a better job
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mircea_popescu: you will perhaps notice wireshark is taking a saner view of btc protocol than the power rangers
mircea_popescu: or in any case, has some people whoi can actually think in the userbase.
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off to coffee, breakfast, fire a girl, do the work she was supposed to do, and then the burbs for a sales meeting
mircea_popescu: there's basically three types of things in this world : those who have nobody thinking in the userbase and don't care ; those who have some thinking people in the userbase and don't care
mircea_popescu: and the recent adition, those which have some untinking people in the userbase and don't carew.
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assbot: Incentivising full nodes by having SPV nodes to pay for data requests | Luv Khemani | Aug 03 2015 : bitcoin_devlist ... (
http://bit.ly/1MSaZFP )
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punkman: !rate williamdunne 1 small btc/gbp trade
BingoBoingo creatively thinking outloud and venting my hate at the noise machines
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mike_c: mpoe flirting with 60.. what a bull run.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00810003 / 0.0090831 / 0.01369000 (55 shares, 0.49957045 BTC), 30D: 0.00056038 / 0.01109156 / 0.01420000 (650 shares, 7.20951573 BTC)
mike_c: Just a contrarian. I have no idea if it's headed to 80 or 40.
mircea_popescu: mike_c btw, am i ever gonna see you in game ? ?!?! ?!? ?!? !???
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.0005842 = 14.0208 BTC [+]
mike_c: A good question. Short answer - yes. Long answer, I wonder if Eulora in its current state is good for a casual/short-on-time gamer.
mike_c: It seems like I would love it like I love Total War - If I have 20 hours a week to play it would be awesome.
mircea_popescu: it is much easier to get +ev if you play casually than if you play intensively.
mike_c: Hm. Ok, well, then I will start aiming my 30-45 daily mins of play at Eulora then.
mike_c: I got some lil bits of nothing
mike_c: I got some of my own skills exploring
chetty: low level players on eulora are in some demand
mike_c: Drank the murky what-not and cleared my head
mircea_popescu: yeah, you're needed to overcraft high level items for high level crafters to get them bps
mircea_popescu: and you can always mine, and low q mined stuff fetches a high % premium relative to their net value
mircea_popescu: the challenge in eulora, much like in business, is to scale up while maintaining profitability.
mike_c: I'll start poking again and see if danielpbarron can make use of me. He seems to be king of the land :)
mircea_popescu: what doesn't work is the 'i made a level in five minutes so i'll make 500 levels in 20 hours' linear thing from grinder mmorpgs.
mike_c: I'm not so worried about +ev though. I already have a job.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand yesterday i bought ~10mn worth of thorns.
mike_c: hopefully Eulora will accomodate me - someone who is perfectly happy with -ev as long as I'm having fun. This should help supply the people who are more interested in the money.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34148 @ 0.00060673 = 20.7186 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "let's redo the videogame winter because we're unique special snowflakes and who needs management"
punkman: I like how "fall flat" means losing 10s of millions of bezzlars
mircea_popescu: the only difference being that the usg was not either powerful enough or attentive enough to give a shit either way about consoles in the 80s.
mircea_popescu: whereas it sure as shit doesn't want any more of that "printed gun" nonsense.
shinohai: I don't think that guy coud get *any* project off the ground. Darkwallet is a fail for sure.
mircea_popescu: "The strategy for Ketsu-Go was outlined in an 8 April 1945 Army Directive.(4) It stated that the Imperial Army would endeavor to crush the Americans while the invasion force was still at sea. They planned to deliver a decisive blow against the American naval force by initially destroying as many carriers as possible, utilizing the special attack forces of the Air Force and Navy. When the amphibious force approached wit
mircea_popescu: hin range of the homeland airbases, the entire air combat strength would be employed in continual night and day assaults against these ships. In conducting the air operations, the emphasis would be on the disruption of the American landing plans. The principal targets were to be the troop and equipment transports. Those American forces which succeeded in landing would be swiftly attacked by the Imperial Army in order t
mircea_popescu: o seek the decisive victory. The principal objective of the land operation was the destruction of the American landing force on the beach."
mircea_popescu: (and yes, its perspectives for success are broadly why nuclear detonations were perfectly justified)
mircea_popescu: "One campaign unit of fire was sufficient ammunition for one campaign - generally understood to be a three month supply.(21) This called for the following rounds per weapon: 1,000 rounds per field piece, 25,000 rounds per machine gun, and 240 rounds per rifle." << contrary to what one would expect on the basis of "aciton movies", the expected rate of fire of a rifle in war is ~2 shots/day.
King_Rex: lurker, very interested in deedbot and the bitcoin foundation and your node efforts
King_Rex: i am kicking myself for not joing the wot in '11
trinque: sounds like a disk image and accompanying livecd which can deploy it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00060673 = 2.3056 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:26:16; trinque: is this problem solved by someone just signing a disk image and being done with it?
mircea_popescu: well, it can be a signed binary, but only after it is a pile of source.
trinque: certainly; I've got scripts around building these disk images already
trinque: just need to package it up nicely
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:28:09; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's what i want to accomplish, as a goal : i want to be able to put up a linux system, then go curl
http://trilema.com/autobitcoin.sh | gpg -verify > autobitcoin.sh. and then run that autobitcoin.sh, which auto-follows the changes of people i have selected for this task, builds them and runs them
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 13:13:30; mircea_popescu: <n6> Um, I'm in way over my head and going on 17 hours of gentoo << take your picture with your sad face next to a screen with gentoo failing on it, i'll pay you 0.1 BTC. just to prove a point.
trinque: right, thing needs a damn on-ramp
trinque: I'll hack on this over the weekend
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:30:12; mircea_popescu: and i know this can be done because it's how fucking viruses work.
trinque: in the case of bitcoind dev, sure, barriers are great
trinque: in the case of people wanting to join the WoT and have a real computer, not so great
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20725 @ 0.00060369 = 12.5115 BTC [-]
ascii_field: 'Except... it isn't. Ahh, that exquisite flavour on the roof of your mouth, when "Automatic Updates" pops up a textbox to "inform" you that your OS is "no longer supported"v which can not be closed because the process that spawned it died in a "futex wait me" state as if this is actually a fucking thing, and then it can't be turned off, because if one goes to follow the process that supposedly turns it off that one
ascii_field: discovers the respective variables were zeroed out already.' << win
trinque: n6: btw, you survived gentoo quest; get in the wot :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.0005927 = 30.1981 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: I will base this cd on the amd64-nomultilib guide unless there are objections
trinque: it seems like using an alternative libc might cause unnecessary n00b pain
ascii_field: not 'for n00bz', not for dogs, not for cats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9772 @ 0.00058638 = 5.7301 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178150 @ 0.00060814 = 108.3401 BTC [+] {8}
ascii_field: they are '3d printer' in the same sense that sco 'is' unix
punkman: but I know plenty of golden-toilet in that area
ascii_field: i did too. a 'stratasys' was sold for a couplea hundy at my university's surplus shop
diametric: ^ powder-gluing z-corp. similar but instead of melting powder together, it glues it with an inkjet type nozzle.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12575 @ 0.00061007 = 7.6716 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86222 @ 0.00061217 = 52.7825 BTC [+] {4}
shinohai is now seeing why ascii_field hates glibc so much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00061385 = 39.1636 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: i musta missed the memo on eulora being an okay casual play
danielpbarron: at the very least you should all get the craftbot and leave it running overnight
danielpbarron: i guess it's supposed to explore and build the tiny/small claims as it goes
ben_vulpes: i'd not mind learning a bit more about the thing so's i can have some fun automating it
☟︎ danielpbarron: botting is not only allowed, not only encouraged, but rewarded!
danielpbarron: there are prizes available for writing these things
ben_vulpes: plus i feel thooper thtupid asking all of the "how ams" questions i had about eulora last time
ascii_field: mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $0 " " o} !m { print $0 }'
☟︎ ascii_field: this inserts 'false' in place of sha512's of files which do not exist in a (or b)
ascii_field: ergo is a complete solution to the antecedent-embedding diff which i suggested to mircea_popescu earlier this week.
ascii_field: wrote before going to bed last night, forgot to post.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19056 @ 0.00061385 = 11.6975 BTC [+]
ascii_field: the 'patch' on my systems eats these happily, disregarding the extra bit
ascii_field: others - please say if this is/is not the case on theirs.
ben_vulpes: i'll have to cook up a test case or so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00061492 = 20.8458 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00061505 = 24.5712 BTC [+]
gernika: General question - is there value in continuing to test stator, and future versions of it, on OpenBSD? Or should I abandon that and just test on Gentoo from now on?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: twould please him no end to see test reports coming in from that platform
gernika: Because I won't be able to build it "deterministically" without rotor. Was my thinking.
ben_vulpes: i still maintain hope that libressl can be used too
trinque: ben_vulpes: also happens to have an installer that isn't a field of broken glass
ascii_field: who knows, the day may come when we gotta get the cosmoline grease off bsd and run it. like the ww2 tanks taken off their monument pedestals and sent to fight in donetsk
ben_vulpes: who knows, we may have to take a dependency on forthos too
trinque: parted doesn't even work right; I just bitched about it in #parted
trinque: can't just fart a bunch of command into it like an interpreter
trinque: though the --script flag would suggest otherwise
gernika: Incidentally I spent about 1hr attempting to build rotor on OpenBSD - got buried in tiny differences between bsd/linux.
trinque: gernika: please do make note of these differences
shinohai hopes ascii_field will post a rotor build log for arm folks soon ...
trinque: quick googling suggests people have tried it
gernika: Ah right. No problems building statically on OpenBSD.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90461 @ 0.00061497 = 55.6308 BTC [-] {7}
ascii_field: ^ appealing idea. but unless he does the decidedly un-sexy step of 'closing the universe' and nailing down packages ~FOREVER~ - it will fall apart. in exactly the same way every other distro did.
ben_vulpes: seems like a similar approach to what trb and eulora are doing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85005 @ 0.00061333 = 52.1361 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: imho ^ is doomed on account of video boards
ascii_field: N years from now, they will be forced to permit crapolade that does not exist at this moment
ascii_field: or face the choice of asking players to buy vintage cards
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i imagined a path the other night where chetty actually stopped maintaining her owhn client
☟︎ ben_vulpes: in favor of a few different text based ones
ascii_field: ask mircea_popescu, who paid a pretty penny to commission the graphics
ascii_field: and who, if the screenshots on his www are anything to go on, is playing the video version
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i think you misunderstand the question.
ben_vulpes: in fact those who run its economy rarely even leave the spreadsheets
trinque: if I'm taking this on I'm hesitant to use someone else's tool
trinque: I am doing more or less what's described there
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> twould please him no end to see test reports coming in from that platform << certainly let me know how it goes. yeah, might have issues with rotor on there. I'm still sync'ing my obsd bitcoind build (patched up through -verifyall).
danielpbarron: but at the moment, most of the things I do, do not require seeing the 3d world
danielpbarron: in the future i imagine there will be epic battles between guilds or whatever, and in that case the 3d world will be necessary
ben_vulpes: if i recall the con3-versations on the topic, pve's the real game
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00061558 = 24.3154 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: grues becoime valueable, everyone goes for them, hunts into extinction, their prey emerges
ben_vulpes: i just recall faint intimations that it wasn't quite the focus as it is in eve or wow
☟︎ ben_vulpes: how then to hold territory i guess is a question
danielpbarron: understandable, as PvP only makes sense when the first 'M' in MMO becomes reality
trinque: seems an environment to learn how to think in terms of economics
trinque: within that category both pve and pvp make sense
danielpbarron: yes it is that first and foremost as is any accurate simulation of human life
danielpbarron: there are like.. 12 players right now. wouldn't make much sense for us to start killing each other (not that death has been implemented yet)
☟︎ danielpbarron: speaking of which, come get your subsidized-by-no-death freebees in bare-handed gathering while it lasts
danielpbarron: every /explore is a chance to get $MAXINT (no, seriously)
trinque: maybe when I win at gentoo rpg
ben_vulpes: gentoo rpg is now just a subquest of bitcoinrpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112900 @ 0.00060557 = 68.3689 BTC [-] {7}
trinque: bitcoin, the magnetic field pulling all iron filaments into alignment
chetty: <ben_vulpes> in favor of a few different text based ones//I like it
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: that's the best time to kill each other. don't you play minecraft?
danielpbarron: i played on MCPVP, the most hardcore pvp server there was
danielpbarron: specialized in tracking down bases and selling the coordinates to raid parties
danielpbarron: few things in this world more satisfying then pwning someone's loot stash
trinque: ben_vulpes: "seeking a flat structure was a misperception of what self-management means" << wahahahaha
trinque: our solution was to redefine the word!
danielpbarron: hahha yeah right i'm gonna play some game that isn't eulora
☟︎ danielpbarron: until recently i had given up on computer gaming completely
thestringpuller: lol. playing a game isn't a requisite for reading about it?
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jurov beacme involuntary participant in underhanded C contest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118000 @ 0.00057821 = 68.2288 BTC [-] {7}
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assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 18:12:58; ben_vulpes: i'd not mind learning a bit more about the thing so's i can have some fun automating it
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 18:13:49; ascii_field: mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $0 " " o} !m { print $0 }'
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 18:44:44; gernika: General question - is there value in continuing to test stator, and future versions of it, on OpenBSD? Or should I abandon that and just test on Gentoo from now on?
mircea_popescu: the criteria for being "ba canonical os" is for it to fucking work, not for it to be fucking unique.
trinque: I have put some work into this today. I converted mod6's guide to a script which builds a bootable root.img
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:03:20; ascii_field: or face the choice of asking players to buy vintage cards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0005706 = 5.1925 BTC [+]
trinque: mircea_popescu: thought here is to image a USB drive, and have that thing be able to push-button image a computer it has booted
☟︎ chetty: nest we will need a time machine
mircea_popescu: chetty no. the "use specified card, spec=future" thing is braindamaged. nobody has cards from the future.
mircea_popescu: the "use specified card, spec = p[ast" is sustainable.
mircea_popescu: cards from the past were made, and therefore can be made. period and full fucking stop.
chetty: ok, time machine to go in the past and retieve useable cards ..
mircea_popescu: if they were dumb enough to lose the recipes, they'll have to reimplement based on our os.
mircea_popescu: this "progress" bullshit is dumb and must die. there's nothing in the future but a buggy, half assed, stupid reimplementation of the past.
mircea_popescu: and no, technology doesn't "change everything". technology changes nothing and never did.
chetty: well cars smell better than horses
mircea_popescu: "Error : Your videocard is not old enough for you to be here. Get an older videocard and come back". this is what i wish to see.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 22:45:19; mircea_popescu: break the entire usian industry that relies on "new".
jurov: hardware does break down.... will mircea_popescu take over chinese factories to manufacture old stuff?
trinque: problem to worry about when the metric shitloads of old hardware available everywhere vanish
☟︎ danielpbarron: i bought this laptop (the one on which I play Eulora) specifically for its video card; at the time I needed to be able to play Dota and minecraft on linux
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123200 @ 0.00057021 = 70.2499 BTC [-] {6}
trinque: scrap shop nearby has entirely passable computers for 50 bucks
mircea_popescu: will you take over the writing of your language and write stuff jurov ?
mircea_popescu: if i'm not taking it over, who the fuck is, "the state" ? aliens ? chtulhu ?
mircea_popescu: i'll take over the us fed and run it from right here, and if there's nobody else i'll take over fucking china silicon and run it from right here too. what in the ever loving fuck.
☟︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:03:22; ben_vulpes: i imagined a path the other night where chetty actually stopped maintaining her owhn client
mircea_popescu: and there's no particular intention for there to only be one.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:04:47; ascii_field: and who, if the screenshots on his www are anything to go on, is playing the video version
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:10:23; ben_vulpes: i just recall faint intimations that it wasn't quite the focus as it is in eve or wow
mircea_popescu: for that matter, eulora is not pve, it's evp. in point of fact player activity will attract environment challenges. you build a house, ogres come to it sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: so it's not that it's not "pvp based" it's more that even its pve is really pvp by another name.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:12:10; danielpbarron: there are like.. 12 players right now. wouldn't make much sense for us to start killing each other (not that death has been implemented yet)
mircea_popescu: so not yet really implemented. but... the shadows await, all around, every night. and in the shadows, the grues...
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:22:41; danielpbarron: hahha yeah right i'm gonna play some game that isn't eulora
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00057639 = 19.3091 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if he iomagines that screeching pile of a failure mode is "lessons learned" and whatnot...
mircea_popescu: "we make doing nothing on vc money less painful emotionally and so cvould you!"
mircea_popescu: (in a jar, in a lab, in which someone put glucose. of course.)
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mircea_popescu: trinque ubuntu folks had the process down pat for their thing, which is how i even ended up recommending it, briefly.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm close; show ya something tomorrow
trinque: and if there are suggestions on different libc, etc., should be very easy to change
trinque: yep, but could just as well be musl
trinque: I am open to offering options like the openbsd installer for say X, other things
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mircea_popescu: should probably include an x and a sound, at least eventually.
mircea_popescu: i mean, where you headed with this maybe im confused. is this noob system ?
trinque: response to my interaction with n6
mircea_popescu: yeah. someone who deeply understands emacs could write a 100 page READABLE! INTERESTING! EMPOWERING! guide to emacs for it.
trinque: and that's been the rub I think; what's the answer for a developer that shows up, and what's the answer for someone that wants to turn his life around
mircea_popescu: but i fucking mean poetry, do not drone on like tech people do.
mircea_popescu: all sorts of fun, useful & profitable derivations can be hooked on. good idea.
trinque: I once read The Little Schemer, wasn't bad
☟︎ trinque: whereas CL appears to value completeness, scheme heads for the minimal set of primitives from which higher functionality can be derived
☟︎ trinque: latter seems appropriate for a student
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assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 22:44:28; trinque: mircea_popescu: thought here is to image a USB drive, and have that thing be able to push-button image a computer it has booted
mircea_popescu: help the guy draw the spec document and then let him do it, free a hand
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 22:51:01; trinque: problem to worry about when the metric shitloads of old hardware available everywhere vanish
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 23:29:18; trinque: I once read The Little Schemer, wasn't bad
mircea_popescu: fortunately this is a point that won't take a second pass to explain to the chinese. or, for the most part, to the russians.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85735 @ 0.00058843 = 50.449 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: the fucktards in north america build out of wood what they should make out of cement
mircea_popescu: AND THEN make out of cement the one thing you must make out of wood ?
mircea_popescu: by now you're really better off with some cans out in the field.
mircea_popescu: well, it's hard to improve your aim with the cans. proper ranges have electronic measures
mircea_popescu: but not really arbitrarily small ? also not convenient to keep moving sizes of items
mircea_popescu: i suppose another way would be to cut holes in cardboard and shoot through the hole.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 23:30:34; trinque: whereas CL appears to value completeness, scheme heads for the minimal set of primitives from which higher functionality can be derived