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phillipsjk: I am the one with the horrible resume.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-06 00:00 mircea_popescu: "this is, without a doubt, the worst resume i have ever seen."
phillipsjk: Thought you might be interested to know that transaction fees are finally having an effect.
mircea_popescu: at first, when i received your letter, i at once said : surely, transaction fees are having an effect.
mircea_popescu: but then, like a doubt occured to me. what if transaction fees aren't having an effect after all ?
phillipsjk: On june 8th, Kraken sent out an e-mail saying that Bitcoin withdrawal fees would rise to 0.0025 XBT
mircea_popescu: but then at once i told myself -- no, transaction fees are definitely having an effect!
phillipsjk: Then on june 10th, they sent a follow-up email, saying in part:
phillipsjk: "Many clients have said they prefer a lower bitcoin withdrawal fee even if it means slower transactions. Accordingly, we are now sending withdrawals together in batches to reduce cost. This allows us to reduce the bitcoin withdrawal fee to: 0.001 XBT"
mircea_popescu: "the price of two strings tied to one can goes up to bla bla" ?
mircea_popescu: this makes exactly absolutely no sense whatsoever. fees are per byte.
phillipsjk: Presumably transactions with many outputs are more efficient than dual input/output transactions. They may be able to eliminate an arbitrary number of round trips through their hot wallet as well.
mircea_popescu: i've been sitting here trying to recall which irrelevant scam "exchange" kraken is, can't really come up with much. was in the one the tradehills scammers made in their doomed but cheeky attempt to "come back" the usual coupla years later ? or was the one named after a pirate-era mpoe-pr post ?
phillipsjk: I found the concept of V interesting. I worry it may have hidden fragility though. I may port it to BSD when I have time.
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, they bought up CAvirtex, that is why I am getting e-mail.
mircea_popescu: well, just as soon as you can be specific re that fragility, i'm, all ears.
phillipsjk: You model assumes that people are able to review the code. It may not scale to large code-bases.
phillipsjk: That may be an orthogonal problem though.
phillipsjk: Your solution in the logs is to replace unix with DOS to avoid that problem.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it'd seem on the first pass that the "possible hidden fragility" of disallowing "large codebases" aka piles of crap nobody's ever read is preferable to the VERY LOUDLY OBVIOUS vulnerability of running black boxes
phillipsjk: I believe code should be proven correct, so that abstraction leakage does not bite you in the ass.
phillipsjk: You prove the interface matches the documentation. repeat all the way up the stack.
mircea_popescu: please tell me this "proven correct" isn't just anotgher idle handwave, "let that wizard over there do it"
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk do you have handy a graph depicting the relation between x and e^x ?
mircea_popescu: if people can't review the code nobody's proving anything. ever.
phillipsjk: That is why I said the concern may be orthogonal. Lost keys are a concern.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aww i was gonna check this lost key thing
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phillipsjk: I think it would be useful to be be able to resign patches after running a computer-assisted proof checker )or just test cases) against them.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-05 07:37 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.phillipsjk.-1:162b44943bc0180c83a6648fa5aaaa3cbbeb78a4506a70bcbddccf8766452878
phillipsjk: However that may be out-of-scope for what V is supposed to do.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk oh, the "wizard does it" thing emerges yes ? tell you what, loading up a label maker you put a "computer" label on with "correctes check passed" labes does nothing useful for everyone.
mircea_popescu: stop "thinking" like that, it's not thought and it's not socially acceptable in adult males, either.
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh i see, 1 from me -one from daniel ok, i got confused. sorry trinque nothing unusal here.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk what's keeping you from re-signing anyway ?
phillipsjk: wizard as in wise person yes. Last estimate I saw said about 160 people are do the work world-wide (mainly for the US military). (they want to know war-only weapon modes will actually work as intended)
mircea_popescu: no, "computer assisted proof checker" is jsut another way to say "i wave it before my cat and see if it mews".
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, you have to re-review the code, do you not?
mircea_popescu: the "assisted" part simply signifies trhat the lazy operator intends to not do any work and still pretend like he has something to say.
mircea_popescu: you have to READ the code. multiple times. multiple. many many times.
trinque: one sec. phillipsjk wasn't your resume about washing dishes and something volunteer pirate ?
shinohai: Those dishes won't wash themselves.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron do you recall why you negrated the dood ?
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, ran out of money for my Bitcoin node. doing back-taxes should help.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform give the man some toime, eh, he said might be, and so on.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i have nfi what that's supposed to mean, if you care. what back taxes and how does it help ?!
phillipsjk: I make little enough money that the government tops me up a bit if I actually file.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> danielpbarron do you recall why you negrated the dood ? << no i do not
danielpbarron: !!v 1B5E2D36528BED0978D79E31C9C406CFC7677431A5B92E7BDD304915529A7907
deedbot: danielpbarron unrated phillipsjk.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "the price of two strings tied to one can goes up to bla bla" ? << Nah, this is rising cost of tin solder driving higher price of toucans
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i've been sitting here trying to recall which irrelevant scam "exchange" kraken is, can't really come up with much. was in the one the tradehills scammers made in their doomed but cheeky attempt to "come back" the usual coupla years later ? or was the one named after a pirate-era mpoe-pr post ? << The USG created "Goxcatcher" created mostly to have a place to receive the legal effigy of MtGox
BingoBoingo: <phillipsjk> I found the concept of V interesting. I worry it may have hidden fragility though. I may port it to BSD when I have time. << Already works on any OS with a runtime for a language V is implemented in. Can run on OS/2 Warp
mircea_popescu: he can gang together with shrem and come with some "proposal"
mircea_popescu: whole menagerie of early losers isn't worth the kako it's printed on.
mircea_popescu: where i come from it's not even legal for a court to make orders re foreign currencies.
mircea_popescu: but that technicality aside, you can fully expect a "court" of the fiat type to judge that "it's not fair" to have to repay THE THGING YOU STOLE. because "unjust enrichment" something something they're all stupid and ugly and their mothers should be ashamed of themselves.
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai, punched it up a little for historicity's sake
mircea_popescu: ahahaha coinbase srsly trying to pretend mp parity ? when did this happebn
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's only injust enrichment if individual gets what he was promised. when government outright steals that's just "legitimacy".
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> phillipsjk i have nfi what that's supposed to mean, if you care. what back taxes and how does it help ?! << Generally a perk of dishwashing is that doing one's taxes means the government pays dishwasher. Very import subsidy supporting the ApplebeesMcHoulihams chemical industry.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hey, fatass did nothing wrong! << FAT IS WRONG!
BingoBoingo: I haven't seen a single Karpicturales de-karpicting from head all the way to foot on floor without scaffolding to support weight
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, there isn't at the present time one single stupidity of the soviet republic that's not implemented by the anglotard empire. not ONE thing.
mircea_popescu: all the shit they were whining about and importantly burbling, human rights, property rights, a future, bla bla bla, ALL OF IT.
mircea_popescu: yes but as late as the 80s they were pretending they know better.
mircea_popescu: the mothers of the current crop of useless cunts with delusions of journalism were just as their daughters, importantly neighing about "obviously" and "everyone knows" bullshit they couldn't spell.
mircea_popescu: other than a vague awareness that it was pretty good business, buying land from usg at dollar an acre prices, then selling it back a month later to railway
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, the whole reason "Cowboy" was even possible at all was that chicago canneries (where all the cowboys were headed) got rail link to new york, where all the corned * got et.
mircea_popescu: although contemporary notation (say, clemens) does support a very healthy, tmsr-esque understanding of property rights in eg mining booms.
mircea_popescu: then the preachers moved in and "cleaned" the town up.
mircea_popescu: remind me btw, if i ever end up ruling a new fledged us of a cca 1800, the law will be to shoot all preachers and to hang all menopausal women.
mircea_popescu: by comparison to the schmuck telling a what to do for b's sake, the scammer is actually quite frequentable.
mircea_popescu: hence why preachers (what to do for god's sake!) == abolitionists (what you should do for negro's sake!!) == etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense stupidity is a variant of laziness.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the fact that the great-grandfathers ofd today's "free" maryland blacks had it way the fuck better as slaves is somehow un-known to "scholarship".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: just like EVERY SINGLE OTHER FUCKING TIME. there is no case known to history where the officious intermeddler's schemes didn't blow up ; nor has this ever been fucking admitted to, ever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense that woman has an inborn whiny tone through which it signals it's not been beaten in too long ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally it's not wholly , imho, nonsensical to consider a picture where 'intermeddler' is actually providing a useful service -- a sync signal, if you will. << Downside o smoking cessation, loss of nicotine timing signal
mircea_popescu: was this the thing that kept pretending anyoen gives a shit abotu whatever bitcoin v 1650.2 ?
BingoBoingo: It the "How many nodes run X software, that derp herp can our software find"
deedbot: erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 03:56 BingoBoingo: And it appears 21.co killed their node tracker
BingoBoingo: Well it shouldn't have been so fat. Nao it's got butterbrain.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i have never seen a african-american (which is very dubiously black, but anyway) female coding.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu maybe that is exactly the point. making it happen, i mean.
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erlehmann: 1. person rarely sees black girls code 2. person decides this to be an injustice 3. person founds charity with intention to align world with personal sense of justice
erlehmann: (well, that's *one* plausible story)
erlehmann: i suspect welding might not have enough prestige to get that attention. but that's speculation.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann ah ah i see. well, why is person dedicated to seeing specific classes of people code ? i don't care.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, arc welders. not to mention that unlike "coders", welding is actually skilled profession.
erlehmann: originally i assumed that this kind of activism works like “i measured variable X, which is a proxy for injustice, let's just fix X by some means”
mircea_popescu: erlehmann ima make a charity for gluing all odometers to the same value, wtf.
erlehmann: i once crowdfunded new underpants for a known troll who lost them during moving. people donated 300€.
erlehmann: i did not donate. lesson: other people care about things i do not care about.
mircea_popescu: either that or they're just stupid / inspired by satan.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann how's greedy go ? they don't get anything for the underpants subscription do they ?
erlehmann: re activism, i suspected quotas work like “we found that women talk significantly less in our gatherings than men, even though they represent ⅔ of in-group. this is an injustice. let's make a rule that men can't talk more, that'll fix it”
mircea_popescu: i suppose maybe it's a conversation piece, "pay 10 euro and get to avoid how obviously you lack anything to say for one evening"
mircea_popescu: erlehmann this sounds so fucking stupid it is probably swedish.
erlehmann: my criticism regarding such stuff was that fixing the measured variable does not fix the injustice and might even create perverse incentives
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they really had absolutely nothing to say, did they.
mircea_popescu: just 100% "i'm here to take selfies of having been here for my fb page"
erlehmann: asciilifeform i had such an experience in a group as well
erlehmann: also i stopped attending the group soon after i learned about that
mircea_popescu: erlehmann i still have nfi what can be just or injust about ELECTIVE FUCKING BEHAVIOUR.
mircea_popescu: guess what, more black girls ride black cock than azns! THE INJUSTIwhat ?
erlehmann: oh, people can be weird about stuff. peer pressure, etc. pp.
erlehmann: at the conference i was at the weekend there was a workshop on anal exploration
erlehmann: spoiler: i did not learn anything new
erlehmann: intro was teaching people about asking potentially offensive consent questions.
erlehmann: i know i have no problems asking whatever, in most circumstances. EV of asking a person for sexual favors is positive in many situations.
erlehmann: and still have problems asking (which is elective behaviour)
mircea_popescu: if i were a woman, i'd be seriously put off by some dude who wanted to give me anal fissures and isntead of fucking asking me about it, recited some recipe he had found online / at some conference / whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: "gee, you sound exactly like the other fifty schmucks. don't they have men where you're from ?"
erlehmann: so for example a women came up to me and asked “can i smack your ass?”. i consented, she did just that. when i asked, if i can do the same to me, she declined. a weird moment occurred when she told me a few moments later that she only declined because she wanted to practice saying no.
erlehmann: it actually turns me off if people instead of saying “no” outright start to tell a story about their issues i might or might not want to hear (even if true)
mircea_popescu: stuff should have been done in junior high, that's why it's even there.
erlehmann: regarding elective behaviour, peer pressure works
erlehmann: note “It’s estimated that only 5% of welders in the U.S. are women.”
erlehmann: but also: writer had no idea that welding was a good career option
mircea_popescu: the % part, not the redditardesque interpretation thereof. there's nothing just or injust about % distributions of elective behaviours.
mircea_popescu: it's actually twice as good as any collegiate bullshit of the "Criminology" ilk, in the sense that a welder can support a fucktoy, but two "college degreed" nobodies can barely afford a cat. if they scrounge.
erlehmann: people often elect to do stupid shit because their peers do it. if a person during 1990ies looks like a member of the trenchcoat mafia on stock photos it is entirely possible that they came up with it independently. very unlikely, though.
mircea_popescu: i do not credit this because one whit. what proof do you have to support the notion ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think i have a story about a plumber. supported a buncha them.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i have problems parsing “i do not credit this because one whit.”
erlehmann: why would one want to support other people if considering them fucktoys?
mircea_popescu: erlehmann you said "people do because peers do". i do not see any grounds for the proposed causation.
mircea_popescu: why would one support other people if they DIDNT consider them some kind of toys ?
erlehmann: i see stuff like that everywhere. might be confirmation bias, though.
mircea_popescu: are you aware you could increase your lifespan by 5 years by becoming a woman ?
mircea_popescu: it's not even confirmation bias. it's just inept bullshit.
mircea_popescu: yes. but first, you ever read for instance the story of the airplanes ?
erlehmann: probably not. i have no idea what you are referring to right now.
mircea_popescu: say when you've read it and we continue the discussion of statistics, correlation, causation, proofs and so on. it's certainly a conversation worth having.
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mircea_popescu: erlehmann say !!up in pm to deedbot, then say !!v ah there you go.
erlehmann: i just automated parts of it, that is why it took some time
erlehmann: i read the airplane text. i like it, actually. tits-in-dirt accounting, breast-fixated fuckwits, slutty statistics – that text might fit into any queer zine for all the wrong reasons.
mircea_popescu: suppose i own a company, as i happen to. suppose this company employs one hundred widget lickers, as it doesn't. suppose one day one widget licker dies, and i advertise the open position. suppose one hundred candidates present themselves, and one is selected. suppose this happens a few times over a year, and over the years.
mircea_popescu: would it be fair for me to go before the shareholders and say, "our company employs the top of the top in widget lickers, only the first percentile ever make it in" ?
mircea_popescu: but you are right on the subsidiary point, trilema is essentially a queer zine for the 1%.
erlehmann: i know this “we hire only the best” meme and would consider it dishonest, but maybe acceptable if used as idiot gauge.
erlehmann: failing to see the difference between “best who applied” and “best in industry” → back to logic school
mircea_popescu: consider there are one hundred companies, just like mine. consider that whenever one of our widget licker leaves one company, another one hires him. consider that there's 99 idle fucktards who aren't qualified to drive, who also show up EVERY TIME, but are never selected.
erlehmann: even more hilarious when companies narrow pool through “must live in SF”
mircea_popescu: whenever you hire, you hire "one of the guys that could be hired", NOT "one of the guys that showed up under the apparent hallucinatory notion that they could be hired".
mircea_popescu: erlehmann exactly. so now, that's the source of the whole "get married - grow two inches" mockeries.
mircea_popescu: ie : just because lincoln destroyed the republic under the pretext of "destroying the ghetto" does not mean there's no more ghetto. slaves are slaves, men are men. the republic is in shambles, that's it.
mircea_popescu: about something. originally this started by you making a comment and me asking to sync first.
erlehmann: i guess were chatting about people conforming to their peers regarding elective behaviour. i think most do. if i understood you correctly, you do not share that opinion.
mircea_popescu: do cells conform to their peers regarding genotype expression ?
erlehmann: i do not feel confident enough in my knowledge about biology to be able to answer that one.
mircea_popescu: alright. if you observe a parking lot, and see there are a lot of similar tubs on wheels there, do you expect the cars conform to their neighbours ?
erlehmann: > We analysed time series of lizard scale colour dynamics over four years of their development and demonstrate that this pattern is produced by a cellular automaton (a grid of elements whose states are iterated according to a set of rules based on the states of neighbouring elements) that dynamically computes the colour states of individual mesoscopic skin scales to produce the corresponding macroscopic colour pattern.
erlehmann: not sure if this can be called conforming
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i get the car analogy. i would not ascribe agency to the car, therefore i might at best assume that car owners conform to their neighbours.
mircea_popescu: and why would you ascribe agency to the average muppet ?
mircea_popescu: leaving the theory aside, from actual, observed practice -- the muppets don't conform to their neighbours, but are conformed to their neighbours. by the muppet owners, yes.
erlehmann: i see where you are going with this
mircea_popescu: and obviously this all ties directly into my blasting of the whole "Social learning" lulz on trilema and here recently, if you've been following that.
erlehmann: well, that would be one critique for the quota/empowerment thingy (would you say “quotatron”?): a theater for persons with characteristics might end up with persons that exhibits the characteristics, without changing something about society.
mircea_popescu: but the fundamental problem is that it, characteristically, pretends there's 0 indirection layers.
mircea_popescu: much like google, pretending bayesian filtering over large bitfields is "artificial intelligence", much like inept dorks pretending raw notation of "observed phenomena" is science and so following.
mircea_popescu: all the way down to the little guy, preteding raw reality vomit unfiltered and uncomprehended is "his life experience"
mircea_popescu: and ostensibly "you couldn't understand because you haven't experienced" bla bla.
erlehmann: regarding elective sexual behaviour, i observed people acting slutty if they know it is a) acceptable socially (i.e. their friends are doing it) b) they learn that it is possible (e.g. non-monogamy)
erlehmann: so maybe there's no empowerment going on there, just a slut filter being installed
mircea_popescu: i also observed that 9th graders all agreed sucking cock is very vulgar, only to agree four years later that only losers don't eat the penis.
mircea_popescu: generation after generation, pattern repeats because contrary to what people thing, they don't really matter all that much.
erlehmann: i observed differently, but my first girlfriend was probably some kind of underage succubus.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, weak male expression will drive the females to overactive courtship.
mircea_popescu: ~the only thing "socially acceptable sluttines" signifies is small dicks.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann why do you suppose afghani women don't go around topless ? is it because twitter hasn't perked up awareness enough yet ?
erlehmann: loaded question. probably because of whoever is in power there to make the clothing rules.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to encounter someone who was in power in the sense of making clothing rules. consider augustus tried to get people to wear the toga.
erlehmann: re agency: i had a talk with a syrian electrical engineer yesterday. he needed a ride and explained that mostly young people flee that conflict because every side sees them as potential fighters. that was the moment where i decided that the neo-nazi meme “they wan't our jobs and our women” ascribed way too much agency to immigrants.
mircea_popescu: whereas the anglo reich notion is that young shemales are god's gift to creation.
mircea_popescu: so there's a pretty thorny dilema, become a faggot or a fighter ? they'll despise you anwyay, and you'll lose parts you actually liked anyway, but hey.
erlehmann: re fighter/faggot: when my grandfather was still alive, he showed me a photo from before the second world war. he was there as a young child with lots of other males.
erlehmann: he then went on to “this one wanted to become a submariner, this one wanted to become a war hero” etc. pp.
erlehmann: punchline: everyone else on the photo was a very dead fighter.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu what do you consider thorny?
phf: erlehmann: you have no honor, like a woman!
erlehmann: phf deutsche haben sowieso keine ehre!
phf: not an oglaf fan i see
erlehmann: one of my favourites is the one with statues you can fuck
erlehmann: worst thing on conference was drunk guy who wanted to have my contact details after i told him that his captive portal will be truly fucked soon-ish and every other stranger at the lunch table agreed.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann what do you mean what do i consider thorny ? things that have to be approached indirectly, or else.
erlehmann: > <mircea_popescu> so there's a pretty thorny dilema, become a faggot or a fighter ?
erlehmann: either die for nothing or live in sweden
erlehmann: i should have been more precise, probably.
erlehmann: i interpret choice fighter/faggot as a) fight in war, die soon b) go away, die probably much later
mircea_popescu: you think adding the decimal points might save the credit card statement that was in the red a coupla grand by just adding the hundreds ?
mircea_popescu: erlehmann yes, much like some priestly dude with aspirations to science interpreted "learning" to mean something nonsensical.
erlehmann: though the syrian told me that refugees of both sexes he knows seem to have trouble finding partners in sweden
mircea_popescu: i have no objection : when you beg the question, you get what you begged for.
erlehmann: maybe because they are not bdsm bazillionaires (re: war)
erlehmann: surprisingly, he described sweden as very welcoming and not at all racist
mircea_popescu: i think you might've had the people/vermin division wrong.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu not finding GF → evidence of racism!
erlehmann: on my keyboard, m and f are not right next to each other
erlehmann: seems finland serves as sweden's balls
mircea_popescu: ok, not bad. i guess i didn't spend enough time staring at that part of europe at the rightr age.
erlehmann: i feel enlightened, but also sleepy. bye
erlehmann: oh, i won't sleep, probably. but i have mindless work to do and i feel in the right state of mind for that.
erlehmann: my coworkers say similar things. i always answer that work does not feel enjoyable for me and programming is not fun.
diana_coman: erlehmann, getting a picture ready with "this one wanted to NOT HAVE FUN" ?
diana_coman: fwiw I talked to former army pilots; they had lots of pictures of lots of males as you might imagine; the punchline was...WHAT FUN WE HAD
☟︎ erlehmann: i made a tripping haskell programmer smile when i was like ALGOL – NO FUN ALLOWED
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever met anyone i'd let into the house who was death-avoidance-oriented.
erlehmann: diana_coman of course, the goal of war is not do die for your country, but to make the other basterd die for theirs
diana_coman: that's not even the point; one of them apparently kept being promoted/demoted in times of peace because he was a. an excellent pilot b. apparently unable to not have fun regardless of whether it's "permitted" or not
erlehmann: i am thoroughly glad that i do not find work fun because it means i do not lose motivation when others do not have fun.
diana_coman: my take away from your picture story is that apparently each of those in the picture got pretty much what they wanted so...
mircea_popescu: he's a dancer. but he also gets the visiting french president to do his bidding by showing him ww2 decorations etc
erlehmann: mircea_popescu was the cell conforming thing ment as a metaphor only or do you have something to share on cellular automata?
phf: it seems like a questionable move to speak for your friend's motivations like that. sort of a classic moralist move "oh these bikers who were fucking, taking drugs, and riding wild DIED YOUNG!!1"
mircea_popescu: erlehmann there's absolutely no relation between the mathematical model of cellular automata and biological cells.
mircea_popescu: but really, skin pigmentation in reptiles ? not really a good example. consider -- why are all liver cells liver cells
erlehmann: what would be needed to convince you that the researchers found a correspondence between a cellular automaton on a hexagonal lattice and skin cells?
mircea_popescu: besides, one day i found a correspondence between the direction in which my dog barked and whether it was gonna rain that day.
mircea_popescu: it's the oldest profession this, what! "bet you a dime the next person coming in the door will be female"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 05:56 erlehmann: grandfather was still alive, cowardly.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 06:17 diana_coman: fwiw I talked to former army pilots; they had lots of pictures of lots of males as you might imagine; the punchline was...WHAT FUN WE HAD
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 06:17 diana_coman: and yes, some of them were dead
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I kind of suspect the what fun vs how oppressed is a good way to tell what sort of person is talking basically
diana_coman: I did notice some difference at old veterans of both wars - not really much talk of fun exactly but certainly not that impressed with death either
diana_coman: and yeah, no idea re Americans exactly - my interactions were mainly with Europeans and I'd say biased towards Eastern Europe too
diana_coman: the only trouble with the emerging image of academia as "the land of how opressed" is the fact that...I knew some old real academics too; and they...had fun; also! lol
☟︎ diana_coman: so maybe more a sign of degradation rather than anything else (and yes, when I went into academia initially it was based on what I knew from those old people - the shock/unpleasant surprise was quite huge)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: who the fuck are you to die for something, anyway.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 12:40 asciilifeform: a sound card rng is considerably better than... none at all. but this is all that can be said for it.
mircea_popescu: shinohai good thing they figured out who satoshi was, at least.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 13:49 asciilifeform:
https://archive.is/9AZcm << meanwhile, the forkwarz folx. '...the Bitcoin industry came to an agreement in New York...' didjaknow!!
a111: Logged on 2017-06-11 04:51 mircea_popescu: it'll never end, this constant stream of improved improvements, until they're literally fucking buried, the muppets, will it.
mircea_popescu: maybe we should start doing this, "the united states came to an agreement" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: "the united states has agreed during a conference in #trilema to cede florida back to spain"
mircea_popescu: in fact the above agreement re the florida cession will actually do more than the even above-er "agreement" on talking-about-bitcoin-from-outside-bitcoin
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670242 << it gets better. caragiale (possibly only romanian in the history of that political concoction to be suspectable of intelligence) praises greatly „Maior C Pruncu — Din campaniile mele (Crimeea, 1855, Algeria, 1856—57, Italia, Maroc, 1859). Tipărită la Bârlad în 1900, la tipografia George V Munteanu”
☝︎ mircea_popescu: ie, a book from 1900 about a major's "what a great time we had" re 1850s wars.
mircea_popescu: it was ~never different~. the male hut was this port in athens, where fun was had. the female hut was this literal hut, where they groomed and talked dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying -- this is universally and without exception true, in all cultures, times and places.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point being that "man's greatest possible as well as actual aspiration is to wait upon some dumb cunt and the miserable maggots that crawl out of her cunt with some regularity" was never in history socially acceptable or socially accepted. it became the norm post ww2 not for any reason than because it is a prerequisite (among many other) for stacking pseudo-people like sardines.
mircea_popescu: the 1850s major and his ilk WOULDNT HAVE FIT in the baby boomer producing cheap housing.
mircea_popescu: and the whole story of "oh, 1800 style squalor and poverty and five points erradicated!!! great ourdemocracy progress!!!" is really just very caked on masking upon the base fact that "we redirected all resources away from fun, so that now there's nothing to do but wait to die a la
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670156 ☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the funhny thing is, baby boomer producing cheap housing is ~what obama gets today
mircea_popescu: "bitch, we've come so very far, your socialism and me, that now i gotta be president to get the house a returning midshipman'd have got"
a111: Logged on 2015-01-08 14:06 cazalla: it all shrinks, i grew up visiting my opa's backyard on the weekends, spending week days in my own parent's smaller backyard, what do i have for my own son? next to fucking nothing, no-one has kids, no-one has familiies, no-one can afford shit, land of opportunity my fucking ass
a111: Logged on 2015-09-07 04:00 mircea_popescu: in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial.
mircea_popescu: it's an important exercise, for the "land of the free home of the brave" soviet union citizen 2.0, to review the 1950s movies, and implicitly what things looked like.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-08 14:02 mike_c: there's another 14 btc for bitbet investors. maybe this bet will spark a rally in the stock.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 13:56 asciilifeform: which, i suspect, is as it should be
mircea_popescu: if you ever played heroes you know you CANT FUCKING LOSE TEN PERCENT OMFG YOU ARE ALL FIRED WITH STICKS
mircea_popescu: dude, i'm sleeping i nthe factory, it's not gonna be 10%
mircea_popescu: just, if you're gonna get rid of them, shoot them while fucking cadets wtf.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 14:03 diana_coman: the only trouble with the emerging image of academia as "the land of how opressed" is the fact that...I knew some old real academics too; and they...had fun; also! lol
a111: Logged on 2016-03-15 02:00 mircea_popescu: !s "we were younger then"
mircea_popescu: but the idea being, dude went from romania to odessa and then to tatra mountains. and then came back and was uni professor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, pushing a point, famous because i recounted it
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 14:58 asciilifeform: ^ winged phrase, this one, mircea_popescu
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 15:00 asciilifeform: possibly is why asciilifeform is not in a nato army.
mircea_popescu: later, as a young man i mean, they begged me to go, but i couldn't be arsed.
mircea_popescu: eh, listen, the practice and the ideological theory dun work so well in practice. for one thing, dja know the caer rules were adjusted basically to accomodate...romania ?
mircea_popescu: no fucking eu law was ever modified in the same manner.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, militarily, ceausescu opposed the invasion of czechoslovakia, basescu opposed thje invasion of serbia, 0 diff.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, moscow got bombed, iassy got bombed, whatever, ww2 in europe.
mircea_popescu: teh russkis stole all the u-rich quartz and the muricans stole all teh wood.
mircea_popescu: at least the russians used it to make bombs. these fucktards grind perfectly fine pine down to mix it with glue and make their stupid paper wasp nests, it's gross on top of being stupid.
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trinque: 50 to 100 shots fired... "several" hit. lol? guy was a star wars fan or something?
trinque: shinohai: pls halp. I maxed my cards out at 3k
trinque: recalling the thread with diana_coman the other day, this'd be the difference between competent women finding places of authority and female culture saturating social arrangements.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> 50 to 100 shots fired... "several" hit. lol? guy was a star wars fan or something? << Terrorist from Belleville aka East-East St Louis. Write up incoming
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 12:29 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670142 << this is pure gold, ty for posting, phf . it's rng-nonsense from back when folx were posting ~erudite~ nonsense, rather than the regular redditola snore
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> "several" hit << notice, 0 corpses. psyop. << Notorious local crank
phf: including the intentionally omitting parts not from malice, but from not exploring it enough in hopes that it somehow holds true
mircea_popescu: "i never had anything to say worth 4mb, therefore should be enough for all trilemas"
mircea_popescu: "people are fundamentally good, and there's a spark of essential human-ness in everyone"
mircea_popescu: the commies were in power and the actual humans trying to get them out
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why right wing is always so conflict-averse.
mircea_popescu: and generally, the "do the one thing which would make the the femwailers wail worst" is a fine heuristic
mircea_popescu: strictly better than anything a "trained strategist" might come up with
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, there's just this dumbass "respectability" on the right.
mircea_popescu: "it wouldn't do to hang some shithead as loved as ben gurion"
mircea_popescu: dude... #1, that's primo reason to hang him, and #2, who the fuck loved him ?
mircea_popescu: "there's this legion of angels, which are just you know, bestest better people (and without dicks) waiting rightr behind that hill behind me so you'd better not attack!"
mircea_popescu: "first, i created some imaginary friends because i was lonely, and then i started going around pretending ourdemocracy and elected official"
mircea_popescu: well obviously. the lefty UNDERSTANDS the above point re outrage.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well congress critter apparently is alive
BingoBoingo: Shooter dead, legit appearing kook radicalized by fake nooze
BingoBoingo: Really Trump needs to do a military response to the Belleville problem
BingoBoingo: Belleville's where all the white people from East StL did their flight to in the 1950's but now their children and grandchildren would rather be food in their growning Lafond-Land than flee and be racis again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, the empire of the poor! GETS BEHIND!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds rather joe stack-ish all this dunnit.
BingoBoingo: Mebbe he should have considered sucking less and not living in that shithole? Belleville is surrounded by numerous perfectly fine places that are better by virtue of not being Belleville
BingoBoingo: "OMG DOCTOR IT HURTZ" "STAHP DOIN THAT THEN!!!"
mircea_popescu: nah, it's an ancient thing. roman army veteran, or genoese trader, would one day decide to hang up them caligulas, buy a plot of land, a girl or two, and settle down there.
mircea_popescu: the locals trying to thieve as much as possible out of this bounty is then what created commedia delle arte and the ~entire euro tradsition.
mircea_popescu: (NOT "christianity", as socialist fucktards trying to steal the having stolen always mendaciously pretend()
mircea_popescu: also sorta why any social organisation where young women aren't in sale and in bulk will fail.
mircea_popescu: the deep reason arabs are threat to europe not other way around is to be found in that comment re girlies and shops in cairo i made years ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but they "raise awareness" other places to protect from this
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 03:25 mircea_popescu: amusingly, the fact that the great-grandfathers ofd today's "free" maryland blacks had it way the fuck better as slaves is somehow un-known to "scholarship".
mircea_popescu: the new soviet architecture is HORRIBLE btw. wtf is all the shit they built.
mircea_popescu: on the basis of what usg builds, i would say one could definitively conclude no government should ever have any money.
phf: the trick is to contrast the worst of black lives of the past with the best of the privileged lives of today. today everyone's equal by decree, so if you're not equal it's crime and travesty and someone ought to be punished
mircea_popescu: yet phf no black in the south had it as terribly as the black "free" workers in the north.
mircea_popescu: seeing how you know, the former being chattels had a market value.
mircea_popescu: but hey, whatever, clinton was gonna give them fifty acres and a mule
mircea_popescu: and i urge everyone without any acres or mules to get behind this plan
mircea_popescu: by now a fine way to get shot by "law enforcement" "responding" to "a situaiton" is to act like normal human being rather than the pond scum ustards are.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, "the suspect had his hands in his pockets and was whistling a tune, so of course the officer shot him. because that's what officers do, in this alt-nightmare we've built"
mircea_popescu: but in fairness, i still've not recovered from the whole kindergarten game ustards apparently play at airports, where the genossen lehrerin yells "freeze" and everyone does.
mircea_popescu: totally such a land of opportunity, to get to play all the kindergarten games as adults.
mircea_popescu: maybe practice saying no a little, interspersed, it's a wunderbar world.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why anyoner'd ever want to fucking leave.
danielpbarron: i went to the NYC marthathon a few years ago and they had people lined up to get their bags checked on the way in -- i walked past all that right up to the guy with the magic wand, he waves it around me and lets me in. In my unsearched backpack was a half gallon stainless steel jug of water
mircea_popescu: and re soros, gotta say i kinda like the man. if for naught else, the humiliating bank of england thing
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yes, obviously. and in the nazi germany, gestapo had to stop taking calls from people because no clerks.
mircea_popescu: whole thing is based on the ustards, not imposed upon them
mircea_popescu: certainly there is no way to inspire the pigs on a pig farm to rebel. you can hold whatever signs / do whatever dances
danielpbarron: just checking that it powers on, or what would they do if it booted something that wasn't windows?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-07 16:50 asciilifeform always wondered what somebody gotta have in his crankcase instead of brains, to run selinux
shinohai: Dr. Craig Wright "An honest man. 11/10"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 22:04 mircea_popescu: there is no difference in this sense between nubbins, an idle idiot, and nanotube, a respectable professor. scammers known like theymos and lukejr, supposedly honest idiots like szabo, agents known like gavin or unknown like whatever others have this much in commom -- the call was made, and they strayed.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-08 12:00 asciilifeform: 'Is was Wednesday, March 26, 2014. It was a cold winter outside, but not inside an old building of the Princeton university campus. The room, full of people, was warm. I was standing in front of some of the brightest minds in Bitcoin: Andresen, Bonneau, Eyal, Maxwell, Miller, Gün Sirer, Szabo, Todd and Zooko, to name only a few. My talk was about “SPV Mining”...'
shinohai: Heh I'm blocked on twitter from like 98% of the people on this list lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and to think, none of those people were in bitcoin.