TheNewDeal: I was actually allowed to change my name :D
mike_c: tredos something something?
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TheNewDeal: so I was just reading about the sentencing of Sabu. does anyone know the first time a judge mandated a keylogger in the USSA?
TheNewDeal: I was asking what was the first time you heard of that
BingoBoingo: The first time a keylogger was mandated may have come from one of those seekrit courts
BingoBoingo: You know like the ones that order those drone strikes
TheNewDeal: not really. never heard of a court mandated drone strike
BingoBoingo: Well, Obama's a lawyer so he just kind of holds these things himself
moiety: TheNewDeal: yeah i get a note when manul is mentioned so i just returned a picture.... like a manual manul bot, if you will :D
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TheNewDeal: bingoboingo, that we weren't able to strike a deal on the difficulty had little to do with wording. More to do with you placing your bet later than I trying to sell my Yes bets
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well, it was a simple disagreement in pricing. Particularly how to price these things. We both disagree on how to do it.
TheNewDeal: I think it's rather trivial to price them, but finding something that would make sense financially between the two of us was the difficult task
BingoBoingo: Well, there's also the problem whereing I lack the experience and reputation to feel comfortable selling a synthetic bet.
BingoBoingo: Maybe if I MM'd MPOE options I'd feel comfortable offering a synthetic, but as a person who MM's ATC...
atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151
BingoBoingo: Even though the circumstances in which the actual underlying couldn't cover the synthetic would have been exceedingly unlikely... Trading on an artificial weight would have set a bad precedent.
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TheNewDeal: well you did offer the buyer (mike_c was it?) a discount on the price
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Sure I offered a discount, and I tried offering you the same as well. A discount and a synthetic weight though are very different animals.
TheNewDeal: depending on the amount being purchased though
TheNewDeal: if you originally bet 1 btc, you could "get away with" selling .5 btc at double the timeweight
BingoBoingo: "get away with" at the cost of setting a horrible precedent
punkman: getting it installed, usage, etc
TheNewDeal: might have to hit you up with that later
TheNewDeal: ;;rate punkman 0 bitbet.py developer, selling support
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TheNewDeal: ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet.py developer, selling support
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TheNewDeal: yah I think bingoboingo was showing me outputs the other day
punkman: BingoBoingo: nothing to do with that old bitbets.py
punkman: suggestions welcome, but levenshtein distance of 1 is good enough for me :P
TheNewDeal: here's a potential suggestion to ponder, we can talk about it more if I get back at you. Placing future bets to see how the pot changes
TheNewDeal: it doesn't analyze only the current list of bets to date?
BingoBoingo: That's kinda the whole point of these tools
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punkman: the "*me" bet in the screenshot is a hypothetical bet
moiety: i watched this program called "What Happens in Kavos" and it was all people like that. broken legs, ribs, noses but so wasted they either don't notice or don't feel it enough to do anything about it
BingoBoingo: Well, the right combinations of lights and sounds can be as dirorienting as the drugs
punkman: moiety: yeah that seems to be a common theme where brits go to vacation
moiety: so silly, why pay to get broken
BingoBoingo: Sometimes the fun in an activity comes from the potential for breaking, and the times people break reinforce the excitement.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Hatfill's current plans are interesting though now that he has extracted money from the gasenwagen's cheerleaders
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decimation: yeah the problem is that even if you could get a chip made for free, the cost of reasonable tools to make reasonable designs are prohibative
BingoBoingo: I kind of wonder what an asynchronous ASIC design would do to BTC mining
decimation: oh yeah I forgot that guy - I think you sent the link before. I was amused by the Tcl
decimation:
http://www.planetanalog.com/author.asp?section_id=519 "MK: The cost is going to be dependent on the process technology, but let's assume it can be in 0.35 or 0.18. Most designs are probably going to be done for about $500 plus silicon costs which could be in the hundreds or low thousands of dollars. You will get your chips in about eight to ten weeks."
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. It would either be the last great way to profit from mining or an loss, magnitude to be determined
decimation: ancient process of course, but still would be very useful if true
BingoBoingo: "Hatfill looked up, holding his cash and smiling, and said, “At least let John Ashcroft pay for it.”"
decimation: heh yeah unpackaged would be pretty useless
BingoBoingo: In about 12 hours I have an interview for a job in the bezzel economy, so pumped
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not starving, scraping. Live poor nao to live rich later.
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.0008261 = 1.8587 BTC [+]
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decimation: Everyone at our school knows who Dylan is. He comes and goes to lessons as he pleases, habitually swears at teachers, and is an accomplished playground bully. ... I was surprised to hear Dylan?s name announced. He had collected one of the largest amounts of ?reward stickers? in year seven, and was due to collect a prize. Many teachers, it turned out, had taken to bribing him with these stickers in a desperate attempt to appease his
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It turns out that the cure to an American "Liberal Arts" education is resenting the part where you live on dry noodles.
BingoBoingo: You also learn the color of the dandelion greens at their best if you are smart.
decimation: all the numbers I've see from the bay area companies show that senior engineers are making maybe $150k
decimation: when a 'house' costs 700-1000k, that's wave slavery
decimation: that's cool, but that's nothing to do with engineering salaries
decimation: Of course, there is a "power law" effect in these kinds of things - only the best guys make bank, the rest deminish exponentially
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decimation: yeah, I was reading greenspun last night and I thought of you - his post about the low quality of rentals available to citizens
BingoBoingo: If I get this bezzel job I don't plan to pay more than $300.month to rent
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decimation: people don't want to do those calculations - they know the truth and they don't want to face it
BingoBoingo: In the location I'm looking at $3.2 k/year rents a ten minute walk from work, no roomates, because they are horrible for opsec
decimation: what I would like an "economist" to explain to me is why we subject science and engineering to such high competition but professions like collecting welfare, teaching k-12, gov't employee, etc are subject to no pressure whatsoever
decimation: why do those people deserve to be sheltered from the harshness of reality?
decimation: yeah that's definitely true, even the top of the pile
decimation: teachers "pay" by being unable to actually practice their craft (see my above link)
Mats_cd03: are you living in a fucking trap house
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dying college town. Competing against a shortage of broke grad students
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: These places exist in the middle of the US
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decimation: Federal trademark law does not permit registration of trademarks that ?may disparage? individuals or groups or ?bring them into contempt or disrepute.?
mircea_popescu: what law allows the office to randomly re-register trademarks ?
decimation: I thought it was illeagal for a bill of attainder
decimation: what's the difference between making a law condeming joe to death, vs a law that condemns the redskins trademark to death?
mircea_popescu: not to property (the so called process "in rem", eminent domain, a whole list)
BingoBoingo: It is amazing people can talk in this state www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+26.5&ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=74600000&SeqEnd=75300000
mircea_popescu: the entire "attainder" thing is the result of internet fucktards opining on matters. i wouldn't repeat it.
decimation: yeah it's a civil case, as opposed to criminal
decimation: oh yeah this isn't even a real court, just a commitee of government employees
decimation: well, derp derp who cares what the opinion of usg employees are
decimation: so you often complain about the 'rule of law not men'
mircea_popescu: benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. << anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled everywhgere.
decimation: in this case, derpy nobodies are ruling
BingoBoingo: I'm still realling that the Bitpay bought one of the most expensive and lowest return forms of advertising.
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem with trying to promote a system of "laws not men" is that ONLY men can rule. and so under the guise of "laws not men" that keeps actual men away
decimation: yeah, you could say that we are ruled by non-men, as opposed to men, because laws cannot rule anyone by themselves
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: noooo way ?<< yes way. these are the fuckwits that want to be involved as adults
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly no go, because you don;'t know how to ask.
mircea_popescu: much like, you want to pick up a chick. no go, because... passport the wrong color ? notrly.
mircea_popescu: did bitpay pr, ever clever and professional, have anything to say yet ?
mircea_popescu: for something like importing machinery, definitely the former.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've been looking around slowly. Not found anything yet.
mircea_popescu: today in the news, pretend you're a corp, pretend you've got 30mn investment, fail to have any pr whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: how people can be this stupid still amazes me. i mean sure, forum derps, okay, they're all by themselves.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was looking cheap in the first place, or what were we saying ?
BingoBoingo: I like how Bitpay couldn't even sponsor a game in a stadium actually suited to the sport.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is not the place of start-ups to sponsor anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, it's cheap. depends what you want.
mircea_popescu: but if you want that, why the fuck would you not be in malaysia or russia.
mircea_popescu: so what does argentina contain that you need for your production line ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not at all. I guess Imma have to blog.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In any worthwhile endeavor the highest cost belongs to becoming initiated
decimation: well, it certianly isn't down the street from hong kong
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mircea_popescu: think strategically. argentina is a dead end. hong kong is a center. is your business suited for which exactly ?
mircea_popescu: dead ends are eminently defensible. centers are centers of trade for that reason
decimation: there is a point to that. If you could become legally "untouchable" for a few $100k in bribes to the right people, that's of significant value
mircea_popescu: so then because of your dependency on azn manufacturers you conceivably want your business run there
mircea_popescu: i can attest that when you can have their head, they're reasonable, fwtw.
mircea_popescu: then again, im the sort that learns the language and fucks local.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everytrhing has its exceptions. what do i care what the statistics are ?
mircea_popescu: whoredom is heavily tilted in the direction of blondes, yet any girl i train can top any brothel she wants.
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mircea_popescu: everything's an immovable object for something or the other.
BingoBoingo: "unstoppable force" actually beats immovable object in practice
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BingoBoingo: Actually unstoppable forces decay within several generations
decimation: I wonder if this has to do with the sudden uptick in acquisitions by the bezzle masters
mircea_popescu: (to add to the humour, in romanian "being pepsi" pretty much means being fucked up)
decimation: ascii why don't the russians get into electronics/computer manufacturing? have they managed to chase away the talent?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't quite see it. so far, they got 50 bn or so, not paying it back
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the russian industry, such as it was, was crap. it was going to get sold for scrap anyway.
mircea_popescu: now, its owners had the unmitigated idiocy of not keeping proper capital on hand.
decimation: yeah when you have a traubant factory that employs 50,000 people things are not going to work out well in the long run
BingoBoingo: In a firesale I wonder if Iowa has more value as agriculture or uranium
mircea_popescu: im a sovereign that doesn't even suck its own cock, how about that!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not the whole things, but lands were the scarce lives
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mircea_popescu: every single piece of automotive machinery, from cars to trains, airplanes and anything else, that uses too much fuel to be economically usable is either russian make or russian design
mircea_popescu: fucking saratov fridges doing 4kw to slightly cool three galons
mircea_popescu: i do understand it, but i am pointing out iot's not all that it's cracked up to be.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with owning a rifle, in good condition, and being ready and able to use it
mircea_popescu: and so the ak-47 shaped spatulas, 18lbs of solid pig iron
mircea_popescu: dude do you see what sort of abused child grown up mentality is this ?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why im such a fan of things like pussy riot
mircea_popescu: the best thing for moscow today is if the rich kids started taking the girls nude on leashes on novskiwhateveritscalled
decimation: good point. "white america" definitely has a negative birth rate
decimation: I guess they are pretty close to the Turkic Tajiks
mircea_popescu: people were derping about how romania will be 90% gypsy by 20something in 1990.
mircea_popescu: it... still hasn't happened. the oppressed minority is still an oppressed minority.
decimation: mircea: re pussy riot: but ultimately they are tools of the western bezzle machine
mircea_popescu: at any rate, the notion that sensuality and the puritan caging thereof as displayed by the us (and uk before that) are in any way related...
mircea_popescu: purest historical accident. i can understand why us-ians would believe it, because they love to believe themselves relevant
decimation: I agree that the notions of puritanical modesty are hilarious. I was born in an old school Lutheran hospital (now closed) - my birth certificate's seal shows a doctor pulling a baby out of a vagina
decimation: somehow this was okay in Christianity 100 years ago but not today
mircea_popescu: decimation not what i meant. what i means was, the proposition that somehow girls naked in the street are tools of the us bezzle. it's ludicrous.
mircea_popescu: for all you know they're the tools of mp's world domination plans.
decimation: but they parrot and derp about equality, femenism, etc
mircea_popescu: sure. but nobody cares what they say, the only attraction is their nudity.
mircea_popescu: maybe some derps somewhere HOPE that they may embed their message this way, much like radio advertisers hope paying for the radio makes you buy coca cola
mircea_popescu: but the thing still is what it is : nude chicks in a badly abused, utterly frigid, compulsively conservatory society.
decimation: so it would seem that putin is also sending a message about women by caging them
mircea_popescu: putin has the disadvantage of being actually stuck ruling the thing
mircea_popescu: or who knows, maybe he's personally dumb on the score i guess.
decimation: well, he certainly want to encourage fertility, and sending the message that it's okay for russian women to aspire to childless eat pray love isn't the way to get there
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decimation: skip to 2:05 to watch Cossacks beat them
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mircea_popescu: what kind is antonoderpulous ? does he have a contract on his head ? twitter says so.
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, gimme something actionable as per the plan you laid out above.
BingoBoingo: Seems the solution is to have enough girls to sleep with girl while girl guards door with rifle
mircea_popescu: decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers, is nao off to molest wife
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll have to explain this tro me so it makes sense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o, you're doing the same one ?! (know the joke ?)
mircea_popescu: pussy riot gets $1bn to study mating habits across europe.
mircea_popescu: for this purpose, they sequester one woman and two men for a week, then interview them,
mircea_popescu: the english : well... we were never introduced, so we just read the newspapers all week. it was fuckign boring.
mircea_popescu: the russians : omg this was awful. all night long they took turns fucking me in all the holes
mircea_popescu: and all day long they held syndicate meetings to criticise me for being a whore
decimation: "decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers" << not really my cup of tea, but relevant
decimation: my stupid vpn dropped me like a hot potato, thought conversation was over
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decimation: the thing I don't understand ascii is that it's clear that russia has the brainpower to make alternatives
decimation: even without all-night slave labor sv startup style
decimation: This goes back to the warez - they seem like the answer to all your short term problems, but in the long run just get you hooked on the infrastructure
decimation: all of those things do require lots of brain power
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decimation: but they also require getting humans to actually do the work
decimation: it's true that it's much easier to get nitric acid when the nitric acid factory has been pumping it out two states away for a few decades
decimation: the us had something like that a few decades ago, still coasting on its output
decimation: When I was in Hawaii last week I thought about this w.r.t. Hawaii. They own one of the most strategic islands on earth
decimation: it could easily outsingapore singapore with its location. but it won't, because it is a combination of bezzle playground and indian reservation
decimation: well, yes, today. but I would wager that if you exchanged the populations of hawaii and singapore, it wouldn't look that way for long
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decimation: when visiting, I discovered that Sun Yat Sen went to the same school as... Obama
decimation: when the usians are trading golden yuan pieces in a few decades they will remember this bit of history
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mircea_popescu: that's basically how it's gonna look. welcoming questions as to the contract etc.
decimation: this is true. the amusing thing to me is that Obama rose with the new left under Maoism... and China today embraces (in action, not words) Chinese nationalism and rejects Mao
decimation: I'm confused about who the counterparty is
decimation: I assume it's just you with your bitcoin bank right?
decimation: I'm using "bank" to mean "pile of bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: decimation actually im going to make a fund, so people can buy into it.
decimation: this is kind of a more open-ended version of your berkshire bet?
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mircea_popescu: idem. if anyone wants to see more and they meet the criteria, let me know.
decimation: what happens if bitpay dissolves as an entity before a b or c happen?
decimation: I guess they are tickets to a show that never happened
decimation: well, the seller of said tickets will be enriched ... :)
decimation: still, to me it seems like you need to get a few of these to "fail" so you can build up a war chest as a credible counterparty
decimation: I like bitbet because it's extremely transparent that way
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decimation: it's been racheting up slowly from 500
Mats_cd03: asks q then leaves while i type response
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mircea_popescu: justlurking: yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete << hey there.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: the investors will make a KLIPPING << ahahaha
mircea_popescu: gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. << this warms my cold dark heart.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire << shit i wrote that ?! in another decade trilema'll be new reading to me too ;/
mircea_popescu: punkman i like it when people build things upon things.
mircea_popescu: ;;google society for putting things on top of other things
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You wrote relatively recently
mircea_popescu: “No one is wise enough or good enough to mould the character of any child… An adult generation that has seen two great wars and seems about to launch a third should not be trusted to mould the character of a rat.”
mircea_popescu: what the fuck already. since when is war a disqualifier ?
BingoBoingo: I'll assume he's already dead, at least on the inside
mircea_popescu: that point being, that the russian (actually, german, pre ww2) model works just fine with no ecological consideration
mircea_popescu: or in otherwords, if you're willing to kill as many subhumans as it takes
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 17 @ 0.052 = 0.884 BTC [+]
atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151
mircea_popescu: lol is the 201 guy someone who bought at 200 and they figure THEY MUST PROFT
BingoBoingo: Maybe it is someone who wants to see the market go down to grab cheap ATC?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00082258 = 8.6782 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there?
jurov: but they'll prolly have negative price :(
jurov: anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins
jurov: they'll prolly need free coinbr account provided i'll sell their souls.. does anyone want them?
jurov: lol what pm i got <Vexual> ill take a 0 fee br acct
Vexual: i'm ot sure i've got full title
jurov: markov chains did n't use to have souls
jurov: that doesn't preclude them to be sold anyway
Vexual: yeah i'll have to read up on that
Vexual: with the 10 percent...
Vexual: perhaps someone will like to buy these
Vexual: id like to be the photographer when rich b sits down with mirc p
Vexual: i call it red wine and dentures
Vexual: cat hasn't even done a vice cover yet
Vexual: alternate cover:interviewer
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00082278 = 4.9778 BTC [-]
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mike_c: if i understand: BitPay get acquired by Facebook. D.BPAY holders are entitled to some share of the increase in facebook market cap.
mike_c: if that is true, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me. if Facebook pays the right amount for BitPay, market cap shouldn't move. Facebook will be -$1b in cash and +$1b in value due to bitpay.
mike_c: whereas bitpay investors will get rich.
mike_c: or at least liquid, since they were already rich in value.
mike_c: fluffypony: no, this is an example.
danielpbarron: I'm gonna be at porcfest next week; what can I do for the -assets community beyond generally promoting it in conversation?
danielpbarron: I ordered one from nubbins` already; is there another shirt?
chetty: try to pay for stuff in bitcoin
danielpbarron: i don't think i'll go to any future porcfests; i kinda regret buying the ticket for this one but i might as well use it at this point
danielpbarron: yeah i plan in selling stuff for BTC; not interested in shorting it
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mike_c: oh :) is the porcupine community into bitcoin?
danielpbarron: i've never been either; it's gonna be teeming with what MP refers to as "libertards"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck srsly, the vc circuit is reducing to a spam&scamfest
danielpbarron: mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters << libertards srsly ?!
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, the "free state project" participants, yes
chetty: well thats a different breed of libtards, not lefties
danielpbarron: i recall some story of ver going to visit ian from free talk live and convincing them to accept BTC for selling ad space
mike_c: ok, ok. this has nothing to do with the animal.
danielpbarron: i think aantonop is going to be there, among other "well known" idiots in the "bitcoin community"
kakobrekla: coinapult is a gold sponsor of the fest
HeySteve: wondering if anyone news sites have covered F.DERP yet...
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I'd like to speak to you about it when you're back
peterl: trying to wrap my head around what F.DERP is
peterl: does it profit from the derp companies doing good or bad?
HeySteve: a bet against "amazing companies" I guess
HeySteve: wish I'd gotten short on that wannabe pornstar guy who gambled all his investor's funds away
kakobrekla: the thing is you cant go short cause idiots are idiots.
HeySteve: kakobrekla, I believe idiocy will eventually end in failure. sure there might be an initial boom while other idiots pile in but...
punkman: HeySteve: infinite hitpoints
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0695 = 0.695 BTC [+]
punkman: kakobrekla, the idiot pool could theoretically stop replenishing itself
HeySteve: I assume BitPay and BitGo (which I haven't heard of) are the relevant companies
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.06740031 = 2.8982 BTC [-] {5}
lobbes: the more I read the logs, the more humble I become. Then I read the blogs...
ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds. /// Sure, can someone provide the landing content/file? ;;later tell me or such, I'm very behind on logs and distracted by day trading lately
mike_c: sure, it's not a web page though, it's a DNS thing
mike_c: you add a bunch of A records in the DNS for active nodes. i'll let you know.
bitcoinpete: More lulzy feedback from the litecoin article:
bitcoinpete: "your article on litecoin is one of the worst, most unresearched journalism attempts ive ever seen. Hang your head in shame"
bitcoinpete: "your use of vocab is the least impressive and your facts are skewed only to meet your own objectives."
bitcoinpete: "Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up"
assbot: Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up?
fluffypony: I already linked to the github repo for it
assbot: /bitcoinpete Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06504115 = 6.5041 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: so penguirker re-posts when the url is changed eh
mike_c: ;;isitdown mpex.coinbr.com
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Mulling Standard BTC Denominations, Bitcoin Unicode
fluffypony: bitcoinpete cut them some slack, they have to consider the long-reaching consequences of renaming "satoshis"...whatever will the altcoins think if they do?
bitcoinpete: "that coffee will be 19 bitcoinbongs, please"
bitcoinpete: "The company known for computer chips on Thursday plans to announce the availability of an app that lets people leave offbeat animated messages using smartphones. It exploits the device’s camera and microphone to capture a user’s facial movements and voice, which are used to control cartoon-like figures known as avatars in recorded sequences."
assbot: Intel Serves up Mobile-Message Avatars - Digits - WSJ
assbot: AMD Vows 25-Fold Increase in Chip Energy-Efficiency - Digits - WSJ
bitcoinpete: which should be useful for mining and such
assbot: Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2259989 = 1.13 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.72668865 BTC to 9`245 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
moiety: omg im so nervous thinking about BB, can't wait to hear how it all went today. i know he'll be fine but still
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00082384 = 13.2638 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Spain will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage"
http://bitbet.us/bet/912/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.82877738 BTC. Current weight: 39,102.
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021674 BTC (Total: 433.49 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]
assbot: Mainstage Video: OSCON 2014 - O'Reilly Conferences, July 20 - 24, 2014, Portland, OR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24991 @ 0.0008251 = 20.6201 BTC [+]
assbot: Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad | Zero Hedge
assbot: Regulating Digital Currencies: Bringing Bitcoin within the Reach of the IMF by Nicholas Plassaras :: SSRN
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0666 = 1.0656 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06659999 = 0.999 BTC [-] {2}
HeySteve: yeah bitstein, seems russia are a move ahead again
HeySteve: mircea_popescu I am away now but will be back in about 8 hours or so
moiety: :D brilliant BingoBoingo! When will they get in touch?
BingoBoingo: Late next week after the other interviews.
assbot: An App That Does Nothing Except Say 'Yo' Raises One. Million. Dollars.
moiety: sorry for delay, just spilled coffee everywhere, which is really useful. only two others is even better BingoBoingo. do you think they will call? they're usually pretty good for that here
moiety: some people just make you wait on a letter which is just crap
BingoBoingo: moiety: They said they will. I think some things attractive about the job to me (odd hours, duties from four other people's jobs) are going to come out as turnoff in the other interviews.
moiety: exciting times! i think i've been more nervous than you today!
BingoBoingo: I also encountered one of asciilifeform's defective birds earlier in the day.
assbot: Science You Wish Were True :: Troll Science
BingoBoingo: Attacked my windshield, and then was made to comply with a standard
assbot: Honey Boo Boo is a monster: What reality TV did to the pint-size pageant queen - Salon.com
pankkake: …where the author realizes tv is fake. duh
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Defective bird attacked my windshield. Unlike the bird that attacked your window... THis one could only make one attempt before being corrected by physics.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, self defending window. Only mess was some feathers and dust.
assbot: Simpsons - Thermodynamic 2nd Law on Vimeo
pankkake: lol /r/litecoin is bagholding so damn hard
atcbot: 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 58k High: 201 Low: 200 VWAP: 200
assbot: Why does everybody lie and say that Litecoin is faster than Bitcoin? : litecoin
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Like with winnie the pooh do the Russians have a less jaundiced Simpsons?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0666 = 1.0656 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 95 @ 0.2259989 = 21.4699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1890 @ 0.00082419 = 1.5577 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: <+asciilifeform> 'Avarus, Inc. (“we”, “us”, “our”) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a “blank check” shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol! /// The Havelock System
moiety: so do bits go missing from logs if assbot isn't here?
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.BBET S.MPOE
FabianB: aha, S.BBET during netsplit
assbot: Russia in secret plot against fracking, Nato chief says - Telegraph
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00082513 = 15.0174 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 26 The Uncorrected Monk
assbot: Enemy of the people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: Bolivia's Central Bank Bans Bitcoin and All Digital Currencies
benkay: pankkake: it begins :)
benkay: argentina had a chance to do the same before the Migration
chetty: benkay, but argentina has this habit of doing different than everyone else
benkay: i wouldn't really know
benkay: haven't been around long enough or read enough
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021682 BTC (Total: 433.65 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.39784744 BTC; +0.37267627 BTC (+0.2179%) since last check 1d 9h 3m 49s ago.
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021682 100 @ 0.00021674 100 @ 0.00021667 100 @ 0.00021664
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 444 @ 0.00021726 56 @ 0.00023900 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000
assbot: Wikileaks Publish Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex
mircea_popescu: "Hello, mpex.co is under ddos. To stop the attack, send 0.25 BTC to 1DNExFs45Tmfyxp3aG9k9HQ1q6euWB7Sus
☟︎ mircea_popescu: It's one time payment, after which you will not hear from me again (and you are free to publish my name and email on your blog)"
benkay: monster is hungry and must be appeased
mircea_popescu: o wait, i guess i didn't miss anything. "If you don't pay me now, tomorrow price will increase to 0.5 BTC."
chetty: uh isnt a ddos supposed ot make page load slow? fail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00082155 = 13.4323 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: chetty: he paid him ;)
mircea_popescu: ithink fridge, phone and washing machine actulaly existed
assbot: The KillCap Refrigerator | musings on entropy
benkay: why fridges spill all the cold air out every time one opens them, i'll never understand.
mircea_popescu: i think if they did it the other way you couldn't pass
mircea_popescu: so i go to this place where i normally have an orange juice "exprimido" which means freshly pressed with a two liter bottle, asked them to fill it
mircea_popescu: girly is like... well you ok to wait a little ? we gotta send someone to buy oranges.
kakobrekla: where is the "fuck off im outta here?"
assbot: American Apparel sacks Dov Charney as chairman and suspends him as CEO | Business | The Guardian
nubbins`: the fucked part is at the end where it says blank tees retail in their shops for 30GBP
nubbins`: i mean, i know london is far from L.A.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20808 @ 0.00081773 = 17.0153 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: just general sleaze, other execs got tired of it
nubbins`: oh and the whole losing $100m last year i guess didn't help
publio: since btc is being touted as a replacement for fiat, has anybody been following the btcusd:xauusd ratio?
benkay: ;;ticker --currency xau
gribble: Bitstamp BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.480816, Best ask: 0.480832, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 0.480832, 24 hour volume: 3043.21557294, 24 hour low: 0.480832, 24 hour high: 0.487984, 24 hour vwap: 0.0
publio: gold shot up $40 today, yet btc is flat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06899998 = 2.76 BTC [+]
gribble: 1 XAU = 1319.300000000000 USD = 2.19700249792 BTC
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: "what's a zero in roman noomerels?"
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.6 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July"
http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.16199681 BTC. Current weight: 9,848.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06810728 = 0.7492 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and then i rant about how us people don't speak latin. what speak latin lol.
mircea_popescu: jurov: mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there? << what'd be d.bbs ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins <<< are you saying the claim that someone "invested" 30mn usd in bitpay are false ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c:whereas bitpay investors will get rich. << how'd you go about it ?
mike_c: well, acquisition is liquidity event for bitpay investors, but if appropriately priced would not affect acquirer's short-term market cap.
mike_c: to rephrase: buying a $1b asset does not change market cap.
mircea_popescu: anyway, reason the contracts aren't signed yet is because i wanna see what the general community thinks
mike_c: it just feels like a situation where bitpay fiat investors would clean up but d.bpay investors could lose big.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, bitpay gets sold for $50k to facebook, which moves up 25% that month
mircea_popescu: there's really very little way to price fraudulent sales.
mircea_popescu: facebook can announce a 20bn buy of something worth 0 any time it pleases.
mircea_popescu: if actual bitcoin is at stake, it doing so becomes a certainty.
mike_c: yeah.. but if the returns are not well connected to the returns fiat investors see (btc forex risk ignored) it may not have the effect you are looking for.
mike_c: i'm not sure i see one you will like.
mike_c: well, facebook doesn't just announce a 20bn purchase. they are public, they have to record what they pay.
mike_c: so you could use that purchase price. this does get complicated with (cash + stock + incentives) though.
mircea_popescu: but no, in general the "purchase price" is more of a pr device than an accounting device these days
mike_c: there are both, the PR and the accounting. the PR being cash + stock + incentives. but cash + stock is accounting
mike_c: of course, the stock is generally restricted..
mike_c: it's complicated. i'll ponder some more.
mike_c: in case you didn't realize, it's complicated! :D
assbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: not entirely sure why the foundation derps think anyone asked them anything on the score, but then again... it's kinda what they do, isn't it.
assbot: Infinite money! :: Troll Science
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gribble: Current Blocks: 306715 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1732 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 48 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14691342334.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.12724
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.84862188 BTC; +0.45077444 BTC (+0.2630%) since last check 2h 17m 56s ago.
mike_c: whoops, somebody just dropped 60 btc on JD. there goes another startup.
assbot: Cow's calf is Cockney Rhyming Slang for 50 pence!
bitcoinpete: cow's calf is the only slang term for half a quid i could find
punkman: bitcoinpete: why don't we call it a moiety
moiety: moiety means one half of a whole anyways
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> whoops, somebody just dropped 60 btc on JD. there goes another startup. << lmao
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i recall it was discussed here back then, FabianB came up with an azn term
bitcoinpete: "So let’s recognize the world has changed a bit over the last two decades and call them for what they are. These aren’t startups - and most of the upside from investing in these companies comes before they even go public, not after the fact."
assbot: louisgray.com: The Myth of the Billion Dollar Startup
mircea_popescu: course the problem here is mpex is kinda the billion dollar start-up
mircea_popescu: or at least was, before inept management and so forth killed half its value :D
punkman: mircea_popescu: when did mpex peak?
assbot: S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha
bitcoinpete: "I have found that being nice builds your reputation. I have found that leaving money on the table, and being generous, pays dividends." << fred wilson
assbot: Fred Wilson (fredwilson) auf Twitter
mircea_popescu: mthreat no i know who the guy is, just, avc didn't compute
TheNewDeal: anyone know of the mpoe vwap of the entirety of 2013?
assbot: Chet Baker "Summertime" - YouTube
TheNewDeal: can't believe someone put down 1.6 on BTC above 800 before july. 5 days ago would have had twice the timweight
TheNewDeal: even stranger. Go look at the last 2 bets on bastille day
decimation: ;;later tell Mats_cd03 I apologize for logging - I had to get some sleep for an early morning. I generally check the logs within a few days, so it's still productive to write for the record.
punkman: last 3 Yes bets on bastille bet are losers
decimation: re: wreckers - sounds like a good description of the environmental lobby to me. bring back RSFSR penal code article 58
decimation: yeah that's stupid. If I were Russia I would fund the environmentalists to protest sane solutions like nuclear fission and promote insane solutions like wind
decimation: supporting the losers who oppose the new pantheism of our elites would be dumb
decimation: hehe yeah exactly. And the wreckers (kulaks, rednecks, red-staters, etc) are all the same 'round the world