indiancandy1: before the nurse had 2 do swabs herself on the patient
indiancandy1: but now its a cotton bud u insert urself in toilet and then put it in the tube
mircea_popescu: btw, ask her what's the similarity between a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog.
indiancandy1: so before they had to do the swabs and all but now no just blood test
indiancandy1: i duno about the seriose diseases how they work with that
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mircea_popescu: the country of cheap hand labour. oh, how the mighthy have fallen.
brendafdez: he ventured into twitter and things didn't end well... someone got death threats and stuff
mircea_popescu: brendafdez ftr, my twitter account is from before o'reilly discovered bitcoin / created a house "expert".
mircea_popescu: but it's been abandoned longer than used, because well... the platform's retarded.
trinque: mircea_popescu: if it's the same handle as IRC, got suspended
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mircea_popescu: because at the time all the fuckable ro chicks were like "mp, come on twitter, its fun"
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 so when are you coming to argentina ? find yourself a nice brazillian bf, etc ?
mircea_popescu: well you could but then you'll hafta do all sorts of things.
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brendafdez: Bc it gives hope to those of us who are ugly, or doesn't it work like that? Ok, now i don't even want to know... ;)
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mircea_popescu: see that indiancandy1 where it says "first steps in bitcoin assets"
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brendafdez: i was asked to translate a piece of utter stupudity about "btc scalability" for a certain website. I'm making $30 on this but it sucks.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is murch, other than a guy with a skin rash, which he imagines comes from reading stuf online rather than from poor hygiene
brendafdez: I don't think it sucks too badly, but maybe as compared to being mp... ;)
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 a while after your tits are on the article, for sure.
brendafdez: hahah she refused the 0.1 BTC last time
mircea_popescu: it's supposed to be unappealing. that's what keeps you in your current rut.
nubbins`: clean glass? here y'go, your highness
brendafdez: i wouldn't doubt it, indiancandy1, but I'd be more convinced if they were posted on trilema
nubbins`: you should probably ctrl-c that
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gribble: sexysaffron was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 17 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <sexysaffron> ok!
mircea_popescu: lol you're too price driven. gotta be service driven to succeed, you're a woman after all.
mircea_popescu: ask not what this produces for me, ask instead how i could best serve.
brendafdez: by havinf a more squishy pair i dunno. Yes, that's me. Not now, i downloaded it from somewhere, but still me :P
mircea_popescu: so earlier trinque dumps trinquette, now indiancandy1 finds true love in brendafdez...
trinque: o/^ a time to be born; a time to die o/^
brendafdez: indiancandy1 he was the guy writing yesterday night about the issues with his wife/gf/something
thestringpuller: lol mircea_popescu we are desiging your fortress/palace with a trap to push niggas down
brendafdez: indiancandy but for sure, i was here first ;)
brendafdez: but maybe they were REALLY random and you couldn't appreciate their kind of randomness u.u poor little things
brendafdez: I never had much success as to dating/sex/relationships, so I mostly learned languages through porn. One of my language learning resources for German back in 2007 was
http://www.pantiesparadise.de/index.php i was an awesome place, and there was even another similar site, which must still be around. I never saw anything like this in English- or Spanish-land. There are som subreddits for used underwear and some girls sell theirs on eb
brendafdez: ay and such but nothing compares to PP and YP. And I have to wonder why during all these years nothing has emerged to occupy this space.
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trinque: that's a better excuse than "for the story"
brendafdez: indiancandy they are awesome <3 those tits. I feel guilty now that I made you start posting pics :)
brendafdez: indiancandy1 indiancandy1_ now I'm confused...
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brendafdez: How can we know which one is for real? care to gpg sign something? :P
brendafdez: no, now for real, didn't you register your username?
trinque: asciilifeform: lol, just the writer of HBO junk food
brendafdez: You have to talk to NickServ and say register <password> <email>
brendafdez: first you register your username, then you start thinking about the wot
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trinque: asciilifeform: see pm, and also that said person consider herself an artist
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trinque: indiancandy1_: not hard to register
trinque: /msg nickserv register <your password> <your email>
trinque: gabriel_laddel: sir you've blocked the influx of tits
brendafdez: indiancandy1_ just wanted to see if your nickname was actually squatted, it is.
brendafdez: i'm the nowest one around, that might be a faux pas...
trinque: having not done so, I'm aware of the lesson being taught
trinque: indiancandy1_: register yo nick!
trinque: indiancandy1_: that thing I said
danielpbarron: indiancandy1_, what operating system is on your computer?
danielpbarron: i guess before you do that, prepare a flash drive with an installer for openbsd or gentoo or something
danielpbarron: indiancandy1_, because winblows is insecure malware masquerading as an operating system
brendafdez: you're scaring her, let her register the nick before
danielpbarron: well yeah, you can register nick with nickserv as you are now
trinque: gabriel_laddel: already seen 'em
trinque: danielpbarron: installing an OS is going to be too much at once
danielpbarron: shouldn't take longer than 6 months to figure out :p
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brendafdez: indiancandy1: Once you try linux, you come asking for more
danielpbarron: indiancandy1_, no; there is more than just winblows and crapple
danielpbarron: so why do you use such a bloated complicated piece of garbage OS?
trinque: lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end
danielpbarron: openbsd has an autoinstaller but might not do everything you'd like
trinque: indiancandy1_: it's literally as simple as what I typed
trinque: IRC has commands which are preceded by slash
trinque: msg sends a message to a name
trinque: /msg nickserv means send a message to nickserv
trinque: danielpbarron: yeah I find that to be true as well
trinque: only necessary at the beginning
danielpbarron: i can play youtube videos and do twitter / instagram / facebook / whatever
brendafdez: if you absolutely want to use skype, you can. All else you mention, you can.
brendafdez: Skype is rogue, I gather there are safe(r) ways to run it anyway.
trinque: frankly a Ubuntu live cd is probably a more sensible first try
trinque: make a stick with ubnetbootin or whatever
brendafdez: it calls home and sends encrypted traffic even when idle, so you never know what it's doing.
brendafdez: my first distro was ubuntu-based, I wish I had started with something else
BingoBoingo: Ubuntu is traditional African software, from Rhodesia
trinque: I mean just to have something that boots to a thing with a mouse pointer
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1_: It's still Rhodesia in my heart
trinque: arch/gentoo/bsd ass torture later
trinque: brendafdez: gentoo quest is now boring for me, but sure
trinque: rpg where you diddle nobs on an infinite wall forever
danielpbarron: if you must compromise, debian is not yet systemd-ified
brendafdez: head is starting to ache, more coffee will do...
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1_: I heard it was named after a dude who funded a bunch of scholarships. Don't see how there could be anything bad in that.
danielpbarron: well my webcam worked on ubuntu so it would probably work on gentoo if i recompiled my kernel to allow it
danielpbarron: i guess it wouldn't hurt to make an ubntu installer flash drive and use it to boot live and see if your hardware is supported by a linux kernel in general
danielpbarron: do you have an old computer lying around that you can use as your offline machine?
brendafdez: resisting the temptation to install it will be to much
danielpbarron: well installing it would mean wiping out her winblows stuff
brendafdez: she can always do dp ehhr... dual boot
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Her big issue is supporting the cam tools. Ubuntu is probably going to be fine for the camera in general, Iffier for skype. Probably not possible for her to use all of the tools she could need for work on OpenBSD/Gentoo without going through hell and rewriting some of them.
brendafdez: I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like
☟︎ danielpbarron: i knew a chick that used ubuntu before i had given up windows completely, and she wasn't ugly either! looking back on it that was quite exceptional
trinque: attestation of female compliance lol
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Oh, you emailed theo or what?
trinque: "k now you can learn the handshake AND NEVER TELL ANYONE"
danielpbarron: lol no! I mean this whole "we need you to affirm the following before we can continue" b.s.
brendafdez: I was also asked to please not keep a public archive, but I doubt they'll be letting me in
trinque: you know, we're not a real cult until we have some brainwashing chant
trinque: this girls linux club has one up on us
BingoBoingo doesn't know of anywhere other than ebay that routinely sells interesting computers.
danielpbarron: 20 bucks for one of these things? what's the catch?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Looks like the auction just stated. also the description is rather blah
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: To be fair the things were about $200 new
danielpbarron: This aver pink laptop is used and is very slow and old. It would be great to use for replacement items or even for a starter laptop. It does work it's just slow. << I can live with slow
BingoBoingo: I had a grey one passed it on to a younger brother. Ran ubuntu fine. Ran rather awesome with an SSD.
brendafdez: Bagels7 you have to write a code on them, which he will provide
Bagels7: no, ive been lurking for months now
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Bagels7: bad paste. [22:06] <+brendafdez> Bagels7 you have to write a code on them, which he will provide
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danielpbarron: wow, ebay is completely unusable unless I turn off cookie whitelisting
danielpbarron: lets me browse and think i'm logged in, and then hits me with a login page for any meaningful action like placing a bid or even asking a question to the seller
danielpbarron: Probably some sort of witchcraft << the secret code was just the random string assigned by webchat -- not sure what it would be for someone not using webchat
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron> lets me browse and think i'm logged in, and then hits me with a login page for any meaningful action like placing a bid or even asking a question to the seller << I find this typical. To be fair I'd rather it ask me to auth often and on actions. Ebay considered their auctions to be contracts.
danielpbarron: right but the extra special login WILL NOT WORK unless i disable cookie whitelisting
danielpbarron: i don't mind putting *.ebay.com on my whitelist; I do mind putting all the other crap
danielpbarron: one of you girls who needs a linux training laptop should really outbid me on this pink thing
danielpbarron: guy responded, sounds like there's nothing substantially wrong with the thing
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brendafdez: weird wording "members of the Armed Forces to limit information the personal information they leak on social media"
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assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 01:39:34; trinque: lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end
mircea_popescu: i suspect they just want to see if the... buoys actually float.
brendafdez: " It is hard to interpret " there seems to be a 'not' missing
mircea_popescu: isis is pioneering the "before you can get voice, pick a name off this list and torture their children on cam"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's a good idea somewhere in there but kinda mollase'd out.
brendafdez: i thought you'd write "it's hard not to interpret...", but it's ok this way too i's say
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how the world works. people who meet us armed forces socially and people who are willing to write USG SATAN in 5yo guts, provided the 5yo was spawned by a private first class have virtually no overlap.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: yeah, but might be able to glue something with the molasses later.
mircea_popescu: it boggles my mind that one has to be "allowed" to introduce a defense.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did qntra eat my comment or they go to moderation or what ?
mircea_popescu: seems more like self-wankery. "here's what we'd do to mila kunis if she knew who we were or cared"
brendafdez: guys, I've seen gnome bashed security-wise a couple of times here in chan (or in the blogs, I'm not sure). What's so wrong with it? I'm really liking gnome-shell...
brendafdez: But if there's something I should know, I'd rather do
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 01:44:42; trinque: make a stick with ubnetbootin or whatever
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Rescued the comment from the spamtrap
mircea_popescu: "GNOME Shell 3.14.x before 3.14.1, when the Screen Lock feature is used, does not limit the aggregate memory consumption of all active PrtSc requests, which allows physically proximate attackers to execute arbitrary commands on an unattended workstation by making many PrtSc requests and leveraging a temporary lock outage, and the resulting temporary shell availability, caused by the Linux kernel OOM killer."
mircea_popescu: it's just... not designed or implemented by people with an understanding of computing.
mircea_popescu: GNOME Display Manager (gdm) before 2.21.1 allows local users to change permissions of arbitrary directories via a symlink attack on /tmp/.X11-unix/. << lulzier one.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Probably. Maybe it was a combination of link and maybe your commented here before cookie expired?
BingoBoingo: I know you've fallen from *approved* to pending before.
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assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 01:55:24; brendafdez: I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like
brendafdez: mircea_popescu I was just curious to see what it's like in a 'linux for girls' mailing list, but I think they won't let me in if I don'f affirm nicely enough
mircea_popescu: unremarkably, he's all about re-tweeting poettering on google twitter.
mircea_popescu: "My personal conclusion out of all this is mostly just that I don't want to have much to do with the worst offenders, and the communities they run. My involvement with the kernel community ended pretty much before it even started, I never post on LKML, and haven't done in years. Also, in our own project we are policying posts. We regularly put a few folks on moderation on the mailing list, and we will continue to do s
mircea_popescu: o. Currently, the systemd community is fantastic, and I really hope we can keep it that way."
mircea_popescu: this incidentally is pretty true : i don't know that anyone sane would want anything to do with lennart and his horde of derps either.
mircea_popescu: " have a thick skin (and so do most of the others involved in systemd, apparently), and I figure that plays a major role why we managed to bring systemd to success, despite all the pressure in the opposite direction. "
mircea_popescu: ahaha. 1) systemd is not nor will it ever be successful. 2) systemd is a grease spot strictly because of the red hat drilling platform upstream. once that goes away, the whole set of fleas and their "successes" and "ideas" and choices and whatever also go away.
mircea_popescu: but i gotta appreciate the delusion. really, lennart thinks he's me ? cool.
mircea_popescu: defunct washington post/nytimes/libertard press spawned gawker.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ideological cleavage is pretty clear, and it will only resolve itself in time.
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mircea_popescu: "If you are a newcomer to Linux, either grow a really thick skin. Or run away, it's not a friendly place to be in." << also do not be in linux.
mircea_popescu: lol. and this is not his employer's agenda. this is just, you know, because reasons.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's pretty well articulated. consider the way this place works : once anything can be said, people suddenly manage to find "representatives" of groups they thought they hated quite likable. this happens on a regular basis.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in idiot us discourse, because of all the "care" being "expended" to "protect", nobody can talk to anyone about anything, and as a result everyone hates everyone else for no reason.
mircea_popescu: then they morally responsible for the cesspool turn around and accuse the pillars making sanity possible of... you know, "fish rots from the head"
mircea_popescu: the reason chinese peasants are starving is not enough socialism, dontcha know.
mircea_popescu: so fucking banal in its "cultural revolutionary war" rehash it's really hardly worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez turns out half the people in the google grup of "women interested in linux" are actulaly guys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think most recently it was "hey, this christian dude isn't all bad"
mircea_popescu: i don't actually keep that well indexed a list of this score
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or the golden toilets at the local USG garisons erode
mircea_popescu: amusingly, n ceausescu was accused of this. people believed.
mircea_popescu: serves them right for ruling over a group dumb enough to believe that shit.
mircea_popescu: somehow in the entire "must grow big fast" thing people omit to point out that well... you don't wanna rule over retards.
brendafdez: mircea_popescu maybe the affirmation policying isn't being done right. Half the people in the fb lesbian dating groups are guys, too...
mircea_popescu: social justice warrior posing as transgender lesbian female to get cooch ?
brendafdez: whatever works, not that that especially does
mircea_popescu: i mean the entire "why do girls date assholes i have a great sense of humor she doesn't know what she's missing" beta lament is one thing
mircea_popescu: i like 69 as much as the next girl, but it never occured to me to pretend i'm a tupolev airplanewhile doing it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truely usia is engaged in the empirical demonstration of the ancient notion that perversity knows no bounds.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if i could get tenure with a program on illiteracy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all perversion is boring to the normally endowed.
brendafdez: you know, the whole betu thing sucks, and somteimes the coping strategy could well be 'fuck it, i didn't even want it in the first place, I'd rather be a woman where bug becomes feature'. Dunno, just speculating, I hadn't given it much thought before.
brendafdez: dunno, wouldn't go back either, this state of 'it not working' is much preferred to the previous state of 'it not working'. By orders of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: well maybe you miss the barn of a difference between "guy who is a girl because he prefers it" and "guy who claims to be a girl so as to [...]"
brendafdez: I can't keep in memory every single article all the time
mircea_popescu: pretty decent part of a play or something this. "so if i become a woman will my sex work ?" "no, it still won't work" "So then ?" "well maybe you like it not working this way better."
brendafdez: Anyway, I don't think claiming it and presenting female so as to x would be a good strategy at all, if you don't prefer it, you'll end up changing your mind, because it's hard to put up with all the attached issues to being perceived a woman if you were only doing it for a specific purpose
mircea_popescu: quite exactly mirroring the consumer computing market. "my windows computer doesn't fucking work" "switch to gentoo" "will it work then ?" "no, but maybe you like the icons better"
mircea_popescu: well, other than the part that it has infanticide, maybe you should check it out.
BingoBoingo: ’ve given so many talks at WordCamps with a component about how it’s important to be nice, respectful, and welcoming — including the use of appropriate language and imagery — to the point that some people would really like to tell me to shut the fuck** up (or have!).
brendafdez: mircea, in all honesty what wasn't working was life to the point I didn't want to go on (should've put an ad on gofundme but didn't occur to me). That was solved: social intereaction now is a whole different thing and it's much better. The fact that I still don't get to have the sex I like with the people I like is a minor issue compared to social interaction being broken as a whole.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh so a marginalized Romanian is being pissed on by an empowered evangalist of politeness for interacting with the world according to his culture.
mircea_popescu: runs a tiny "digital agency" in practicaly akron, romania
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah so the WordPress politeness is oppressing him.
mircea_popescu: doubt anything but "why would anyone pay you to fuck up php, when php comes pre-fucked and if not indians will fuck it for 1/3 the price" opresses him.
mircea_popescu: “You can feel good about our project without putting down other projects, so let’s keep it clean.” I said something similar << this, for the record, is fucking stupid.
mircea_popescu: putting dumb shit down is not about "your project". it's about your environment. you put shit down for the same reason you don't keep dirty textiles everywhere
mircea_popescu: which, obviously, these "cms geeks^H^H^H^H bums do keep. but anyway.
BingoBoingo: Such is the peril of conflating a common interest into "community"
mircea_popescu: if you don't do that, you stand at risk of being called a cult!
mircea_popescu: nothing more intense, interesting or functional than this much is allowed!!! it would be bad. THINK OF THE CHILDREN
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brendafdez: It was the Metro interface back in 1995
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trinque: emulates a real tabbed binder for enhanced usability
brendafdez: Well, my first computer was a Pentium 100 Mhz with 8 MB RAM that my parents bought in 1996, I stayed with that thing until 2005 or so. For many years that meant that I used DOS and Win3.11 daily bc W98 was too much for that piece of hardware. Once around 1999/2000 I borrowed from a friend a linux book which came with a Red Hat CD but dual booting was not an option (also the HDD was like 500 MB). It brings back memories seeing those in
brendafdez: s, which I spent many years of my childhood with.
marteen: I shouldn't be awake for longer than 30 minutes :)
mircea_popescu: looking at those pics... god almighty has the "visual" aka "graphical" interface been a dead fucking end omfg.
brendafdez: Click on the dog, now click on want to change something, now...
trinque: your mail's up his ass; he ate it
brendafdez: you can buy an expansion pack for $29.99 to get more dogs to have sex with, don't forget to mail your registration card
ben_vulpes: <indiancandy1_> i dont get the wot thing mircea talkin about << righteous
mircea_popescu: that url scheme looks like it's channeling django the drupal dog.
brendafdez: and invented a nice skeumorphic word for it
ben_vulpes: look at the boys trying to gently inculcate sense into her
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assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 01:55:24; brendafdez: I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like
mircea_popescu: holy shit, eight towns nobody heard about in a state that's barely extant, thousands of sex offenders ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: everyone's a sex offender in the states.
marteen: ben_vulpes: i saw a reference to this channel on a mailing list
ben_vulpes: it actually comes down to the "fight me and see" attitude of the attorneys
ben_vulpes: plea bargin for sex offender or fight us for your life
trinque: also penises are illegal, they just have to find something else to say
mircea_popescu: Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03
mircea_popescu: Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03
mircea_popescu: Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03
mircea_popescu: Crime: 3 counts of felonious sexual assault(victim 13 or older & under 16 & age diff more than 3 years),
ben_vulpes: can it be ptsd if i'm still living the nightmare?
mircea_popescu: anyway, turns out i misread the data. it's "residents per sex offender".
assbot: marteen is not registered in WoT.
marteen: brendafdez: i've been lurking there for a little while :)
marteen: ben_vulpes: I don't know what WoT is though :(
ben_vulpes: dtsd << makes me think of that eegan story asciilifeform
brendafdez: marteen they say 6 months is the bare minimum :P
ben_vulpes: oh god now i'm getting spammed by bots
marteen: brendafdez: hhmm, I'm not sure I've been there for that long...
marteen: brendafdez: I've never sent anything, just read
ben_vulpes: marteen: basically it's a gpg-backed ident thinger
ben_vulpes: nobody's going to take you seriously until you buy in
ben_vulpes: brendafdez is that weird chick from ba
marteen: ben_vulpes: I see, thanks :)
ben_vulpes: whereas indiancandy is just that hilarious hoo-er
ben_vulpes: we all know how the bsasians are about their 'security'
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 02:09:27; assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
brendafdez: maarten your IP shows you might be located in Mendoza, that's interesting, I there not long ago, with Sebastián Serrano and others, and we had a couple of presentations and a meetup. Do I know you?
marteen: brendafdez: yes, I'm from Mendoza
marteen: brendafdez: but, I'm afraid we don't know each other :(
marteen: brendafdez: I think I know which events you mention, but I couldn't not attend
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brendafdez: We need more sponsors to keep doing that hah, we had a couple for that trip, still didn't even break even
marteen: ben_vulpes: heh, sorry, I meant "I could not" :P
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i give up, how are a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog the same?
marteen: (it seems I couldn't decide between "I couldn't" and "I could not" :P)
brendafdez: marteen do you use irc often? I was pretty much a virgin before getting into b-a. You could go to the #freenode channel and ask for a cloak, so not everyone will see your IP. Also, you might be interested in registering your username with NickServ so it doesn't get squatted like indiancandy1_ 's
marteen: brendafdez: oh, I've been using irc for a while :)
marteen: brendafdez: my username has been registered for a few years
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 07:55:57; trinque: all my money's coming from tejas; there's a reason for that
marteen: brendafdez: thanks a lot anyway :)
brendafdez: marteen pretty nice to have a fellow list member over here. Were you reading the list in 2013? It was a space of sane and interesting discussion which has since been lost. That's why I mentioned b-a in my message, bc I htink some of the oldtimers might be interested. Also, we used to have wences and rdponticelli, both of them were also here back in the day.
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marteen: ;;gpg eregister marteen 050434ED71A1704C
ben_vulpes: marteen, you'll want to register with assbot for this crowd.
marteen: brendafdez: nope, back in 2013 I had no idea the list existed
marteen: brendafdez: well, I'm glad I came to this channel then :)
marteen: ben_vulpes: oh, sure, let me see...
marteen: !register 050434ED71A1704C
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
brendafdez: Key fingerprint = 15F6 BD45 240C 4679 C5F5 59B5 0504 34ED 71A1 704C
ben_vulpes: !register 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C
assbot: Nick ben_vulpes is already taken.
ben_vulpes: full fingerprint, marteen. "long", as they say.
marteen: !register 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 71A1704C / "Martín <martinrd@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
ben_vulpes: brendafdez: just out of curiosity, do many people have things delivered across the river and shuttle them over via ferry?
brendafdez: I couldn't possibly know. The only people I know who do it are bringing in stacks of cash
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.marteen.1:7944d2caed41fbbd7aa09e713e695bfc06bea154bf64946071175cb7f764ac6f
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for marteen with note: new blood
brendafdez: ben_vulpes so when do I get my prize for bringing in new blood to please the gods through sacrifice?
ben_vulpes: !rate brendafdez 1 blood for the blood god
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.brendafdez.1:285f1f9f410f44c13ace2538b25bd5d53eec2cc674b822e19fc67a1a35827a2f
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: blood for the blood god
brendafdez: ben_vulpes you need someone there you could ship things to?
brendafdez: ben_vulpes I could put you in contact with people who may want to do it, but I think they have their issues with customs too, not as stringent as argentina
ben_vulpes: interested in derpy small-scale arbitrage opportunities.
ben_vulpes: kind of only insofar as it might get me lower price tickets
ben_vulpes: although, entertainingly, every day the election cycle grows closer, babe-o-tron grows more insistent about spending 2016 out of the country.
brendafdez: oh, so he still can't voice himself, right?
assbot: martin is not registered in WoT.
trinque: brendafdez: those in L2 or better can voice
brendafdez: ben_vulpes :P i'm am, but i've already fixed the lastness issue. No longer the newest, new flesh blood, and on it goes.
ben_vulpes: as far as the wot goes, you are actually the newest member.
ben_vulpes: now's your chance to !up yourself, marteen
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c i've got high hopes for the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL
brendafdez: marteen you can message !up to assbot and verify by decypting the string
marteen: nice... I need to automate this now
ben_vulpes: the voice persists with your connection
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 01:39:34; trinque: lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end
marteen: brendafdez: interesting! thanks :)
marteen: brendafdez: so... you planning on coming back to mendoza soon?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:55:19; nubbins`: mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW 0.5.3.1 downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
brendafdez: well, i don't have plans, but it may happen. The last trip we made as part of the Giras Bitcoiners project was Asunción in Paraguay last December. The funding issue wasn't getting better. Only one of the trips allowed us to break even.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i need something beyond "turd" now
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins care to share your darwin recipe?
brendafdez: This brings us to another issue which is the way the 'foundations' present themselves as as sort of official representation of bitcoin. That way they are better able to get funds from companies which want to be advertised and from membes of the community who want to 'be part of bitcoin'. It's what the FBA was/is doing and what the BF was/is doing on a much larger scale.
brendafdez: When we presented our project as an independent bunch of guys it wasn't the same.
brendafdez: but who know, neither me nor the other 3 'founders' have buried it, so...
marteen: brendafdez: you mention 'funding issue'... how do you usually get this funding?
brendafdez: it was awesome for us as an experience I must say, getting to know the local communites, to travel so much, also to be able to promote one 'real use case' for bitcoin to local service providers
marteen: of course... I can imagine it must have been a great experience :)
brendafdez: through sponsors, we had some of them, bitpagos sponsored every trip, digicoins sponsored the trip to mendoza, beOk sponsored the trip to paraguay
ben_vulpes: hence the startup as flamethrower fueled by bezzlars metaphor.
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brendafdez: but also it was always open to people who wanted to come with us. As generally we weren't even covering the costs, having more poeple participate usually meant each one had to pay a smaller fraction, usually less money.
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marteen: brendafdez: ah, of course... that's nice
brendafdez: I wanted to write an article on 'bitcon evangelism' or 'selling bitcoin', which of course is selling it to the companies not the people :P
brendafdez: selling the campanies the idea that you'll be selling them with bitcoin to people who attend the talks/conferences/etc
brendafdez: The whole 'evangelism' thing is bullshit, but there are incentives to do it, companies paying for it, who get their money from vcs and desperately need adoption, users, whatever
marteen: well i think we need more companies accepting bitcoin
cazalla: mircea_popescu: why let everyone think beauty and brains don't mix ? <<< get those eyes checked, perhaps same time as indiancandy gets that nose seen too
brendafdez: the point about evangelism is that if you suck the right cock you may make a living out of it. I'm not naming names
marteen: brendafdez: you you can make a living out of it, even being from argentina?
brendafdez: I told you i wasn't even breaking even :P ask the FBA guys, they got funded in late 2012 to do it, and a few who suck theirs get a small part of the cake
marteen: well, I mean... I'd like to buy more things more directly with bitcoin...
brendafdez: you can sell the bitcoin and buy with fiat,
cazalla: brendafdez: indiancandy they are awesome <3 those tits. I feel guilty now that I made you start posting pics :) <<< great tits, great body, but what a busted face she has
brendafdez: if you hold gold you dont need merchants to accept gold
marteen: brendafdez: yea, but that's still pretty inconvenient (selling btc for fiat)
brendafdez: why is it? bc there are no people doing it cash in mendoza? i know for a fact thats not the acse
brendafdez: if you were in a small town and no bank account then maybe inconvenient
marteen: I don't know any people here in mendoza that provide that service
marteen: and still, it's an extra step
brendafdez: santiago castiglione travels there often bringing cash, the two btb braindamaged morons do it, if you can stand their stupidity. Tha saner person in Mendoiza is Adriel Araujo from Bitpagos. Contact him, he'll be able to help you, no doubt.
marteen: and if it involves a bank account, then that adds to the inconveniency
marteen: brendafdez: wow, thanks for all this info :)
marteen: anyway, even if there's availability of btc <-> fiat services, i'd much rather avoid the intermediaries (and the banks)
brendafdez: the banks can be avoided entirely. The intermediary is not a must. You can just get in contact with other people, publish your own listings and such. When you're paying with bitcoin, they are selling the bitcoin, so the cost is also there. In Argentina anyway pretty much no transactions at PoS are made in bitcoin, it's just a show for companies which pretend to be doing busniess helping merchants accept bitcoin
brendafdez: If mircea or pete were online and willing to discuss it, it would be easier, they have a more solid and convincing rhetoric than I could dream of myself
brendafdez: but it's problematic for many reasons to think that the value of bitcoin is to be able to pay coffe at a shop
brendafdez: bitcoin is like gold. And gold is no less valuable when you can't spend it at a coffe shop. And even if there are large costs to exchange such modest amounts of gold or silver
marteen: hmm, ok... I think I understand your point
brendafdez: There was a point in bitcoin history when bitcoin was basically free, it had no monetary value, at least during 2009, and mostly also 2010, now it would be unthinkablee
brendafdez: In the future we'll look back and wonder how bitcoin transactions used to be free, when they have large costs involved and it needs be so to keep the network secure
brendafdez: so when blocks fill up and transactions start competing and miner subsidy goes down halving after halving the cost issue of why its not for coffee will be clearer
marteen: but I would still like to be able to make small electronic value transactions without recurring to a central trusted party though
brendafdez: i'm not sure, there are alternatvies, alternative chains, sidechains, whatever, which certainly can't compete with bitcoin.
brendafdez: right now bitcoin is an alternative even for coffee
brendafdez: however i doubt it's a better technology than handning a piece of paper in exchange for drinks
marteen: hhmmm, i don't like these papers
brendafdez: after all, fiat and the monopoly of money by the state has been going for barely a century.
brendafdez may be saying lots of bullshit here. Hope to get corrected.
brendafdez: for most all the rest of human history private money was no big deal
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marteen: brendafdez: btw, thanks for taking the time to explain all this to me :)
brendafdez: that's where we're heading back with bitcoin, taking away the power of the government. Sometimes one loses the big picture. Taking the ability of the government corporation to finance itself through robbery (taxes) and deceit (inflation) is important. Decentralizing coffy purchases at small shops maybe not so much. You could do it in centralized brandatokens and get your bitcoin sent at the end of the day. If I charge you much you go
marteen: i find it all really interesting
marteen: ohh, yea, that last part I could accept
brendafdez: it's not that bad having centralized private tokens.
marteen: the key there is that it should be very easy and almost free for anyone to create a centralized private token
BingoBoingo: brendafdez> bitcoin is like gold. And gold is no less valuable when you can't spend it at a coffe shop. And even if there are large costs to exchange such modest amounts of gold or silver << It going take some intermediate step. Instead of trading you highly valuable Bitcoin/Plutonium for coffee you trade it for big bundle of credits at the coffee shop or whatever the local cash sustomarily used for small value trades is
brendafdez: but for quite a while there's been a trend to sell 'decentralization of your grandma through smart contracts in the blockchain' as the next big thing, that's maybe just smoke and meaningless bullshit to appeal to the vcs
brendafdez: BingoBoingo brendatokens would be fine.
marteen: I can trust my coffee shop
brendafdez: if they can trust you back, especially now that youre in the wot you could pay with your own
marteen: and I can even trust the 'verdulero', etc., but i definitely don't trust my bank
marteen: brendafdez: thanks, I saved it for reading it later
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brendafdez: There's also qntra, it's the sane place to get your bitcoin cup of coffee without all the CoinDesk shit
brendafdez: that's where one goes when time's not enough to read logs and blogs :P
brendafdez: Next time I'll see BingoBoingo I'll try to get him to gpg sign something that says they want my Spanish translations :P
brendafdez: *Next time I see BingoBoingo really drunk
brendafdez: Sadly he will not be coming to the conference, so I can't put substances in his drink to make him open the keyring (?
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cazalla: <brendafdez> Next time I'll see BingoBoingo I'll try to get him to gpg sign something that says they want my Spanish translations :P <<< did we not make it clear that they are wanted?
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cazalla: my suggested would be to set you up on es.qntra.net, but ask mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo for their thoughts
cazalla: alternatively, translate the spanish bitcoin news to english and have it on main qntra
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 06:11:21; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i give up, how are a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog the same?
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 06:44:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c i've got high hopes for the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 07:00:23; brendafdez: This brings us to another issue which is the way the 'foundations' present themselves as as sort of official representation of bitcoin. That way they are better able to get funds from companies which want to be advertised and from membes of the community who want to 'be part of bitcoin'. It's what the FBA was/is doing and what the BF was/is doing on a much larger scale.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 07:14:17; cazalla: mircea_popescu: why let everyone think beauty and brains don't mix ? <<< get those eyes checked, perhaps same time as indiancandy gets that nose seen too
mircea_popescu: ahh check it out, everyone's asleep, i got the whole multiplex all to myself.
jurov: heh i just woke up
mircea_popescu: hey, i recall your friend that was going to help with eulora for windows. he ever got in wot ?
jurov: not heard from him since :(
jurov: will email/phone him
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 07:39:37; brendafdez: so when blocks fill up and transactions start competing and miner subsidy goes down halving after halving the cost issue of why its not for coffee will be clearer
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mircea_popescu: lol even found the old szabo threads and everything. i'm curious what comes of this.
mircea_popescu: probably the easiest way would be to just create the es. en. spaces and install a fresh wordpress for es.
mircea_popescu: seeing how wp does not actually support multilanguage natively.
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jurov: O.o :P dat log.. fake indiancandy?
mircea_popescu: "Iran will emerge, whether we like it or not, as the central power in their sphere," said Aaron David Miller, an analyst at the Wilson Center and former State Department official.
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mircea_popescu: methinks the entrie drone thing is getting abandoned eventually. they don't actually seem to work worth a shit.
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mats: wtt is going on with the share price
mats: im hemorrhaging money
☟︎ mats: something like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12525 @ 0.00023126 = 2.8965 BTC [+]
punkman: mats, you just gotta buy more now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00023056 = 4.6112 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: maybe the shareholders didn't like that all new accounts are depositing to private addresses?
assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
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assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:55:19; nubbins`: mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW 0.5.3.1 downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
nubbins`: i'll put together a makefile.osx and some modification instructions that you can ritually burn
nubbins`: anyway it's srsly two sed commands and a new makefile
nubbins`: to modify 0.5.3.1 for darwin/osx
nubbins`: (example: sed 's/MSG_NOSIGNAL/SO_NOSIGPIPE/' on two files is approx. half the work)
nubbins`: haha man, i had to use a VMS system on my first work term
nubbins`: i'm still not sure wtf that was
nubbins`: it was always a case of "please check this before i hit enter"
nubbins`: asciilifeform speaks to the preferences of the room, i guess
nubbins`: << had to sacrifice a few IFDEFS from makefile.osx
nubbins`: i'll warn that this is *not* a svelte makefile, more fat can almost certainly be trimmed. this is simply a "compiles, runs" thing
nubbins`: sum total of changes: modify SSL_ARCH_TYPE to Darwin64-x86_64-cc
nubbins`: replace sha256sum with shasum -a 256
nubbins`: replace MSG_NOSIGNAL flag with SO_NOSIGPIPE
nubbins`: the signals thing is the only actual code change
nubbins`: random forum quote: "In linux sockets (BSD 4.4 compliant) there something called MSG_NOSIGNAL"
nubbins`: so without having the ability to check, i'd advance that SO_NOSIGPIPE might be an osx-specific fix
Adlai: my pet theory of late is that satoshi intentionally built 0.1 on winblows as a red herring
nubbins`: oh and the 0.5.3 makefile.osx doesn't have *any* of the hardening stuff that makefile.unix does
nubbins`: was able to find equivalents for most, but not all, of the hardening compile options
nubbins`: ahhh... hot coffee, cool code, and les deux rondes
jurov: nubbins`: you can use these as illuminations for alf's book
nubbins`: that's one way to fight illiteracy
nubbins`: is that /pan/ about to poke someone?
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nubbins`: tldr "i thought setting down roots in a foreign country where i'm a visible minority who doesn't understand the language or culture would be EASY but it's HARD"
nubbins`: "dave's ESL cafe" full of similar
nubbins`: with more of a lean towards korea
nubbins`: i, on the other hand, thought setting down roots in above would be HARD but it was only MODERATELY DIFFICULT AND SOMETIMES FRUSTRATING
nubbins`: they wanted the trappings of japanese without being japanese :D
nubbins`: oh hmm, the manga fans and neckbeards who say "that's so kawaii"
nubbins`: a lot of them don't make it to japan
nubbins`: the ones that do, i truly pity
nubbins`: because they quickly alienate themselves from the locals as well as the other foreigners
Adlai: especially that one guy
nubbins`: the one with the blond ponytail and a dragon painted on his jeans in the subway? yeah, that guy
Adlai: no, the one with the frapuccino
Adlai: although it's a little hard to pity him, given the nonzero chance that he also has a few coins
nubbins`: there's a term in korea for young people who live poor at home so they can buy frappucinos in public
nubbins`: Adlai disposable income in .jp might not be as much as you think
Adlai: this seems like a fairly ideal domain for another one of those robotics startups
Adlai: testing individual components to confirm that they meet spec, soldering them onto the pcb
nubbins`: speaking of soldering tools, anyone ever used one of those "cold heat" (resistance based) soldering tools?
Adlai prefers the smell of lead in the head
nubbins`: good luck tinning the tip of it ;p
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Adlai: one of my first ever mind=blown moments was seeing a solder removal wick
nubbins`: was your second moment putting a wilted celery stalk in a glass of water? :D
nubbins`: today i learned that the cost of a variable dc power supply is much less than i'd imagined
nubbins`: nod, clean used ones on ebay for about the same
nubbins`: been wanting one ever since EE labs in uni
nubbins`: somehow never bothered to even /price/ them
nubbins`: i generally avoid chinese-made anything
nubbins`: phun phact, you can get a flash dryer for curing plastisol inks for $800 (american-made) or $300 (chinese-made)
nubbins`: the $800 one has a massive network of tiny coils to evenly heat the shirt
nubbins`: various sizes, ours is 16x16". pizza box profile
nubbins`: the really nice ones ($3k+) use quartz tubes
nubbins`: that's what the mesh screen is attempting/failing to do
nubbins`: but there nonetheless, to give the appearance
nubbins`: thermal buffer = massively long heat-up times, additional weight
nubbins`: now here's a funny thing: supposing that flash was made not-in-china. now it's $800. to add a dwell timer, a servo motor, and a foot pedal: extra $800.
nubbins`: with optional proximity sensor!
nubbins`: in a perfect world i'd buy one of those
nubbins`: proximity sensor = turn off brain when printing
nubbins`: no sensor/no pedal: 10-second timer running in your head at all times
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nubbins`: incidentally, the conveyor oven used for final cure has these same black-body panels inside
nubbins` had to play electrician for a day when all this equipment showed up
nubbins` will have to play electrician again in a month's time when we upgrade to 240v flash unit
nubbins`: nerding out on equipment is phun
nubbins`: my face when i found unfiltered blacklight bulbs that peak at the *exact* wavelength my emulsion is most sensitive to
nubbins`: put another way: those who are unable to judge the character/nature of others are more likely to wish for escape, and their disability follows them to their new life, where they make the same sort of mistakes they'd make at home
nubbins`: "nobody understands me at home"
nubbins`: no, you don't understand anybody, period. moving to jp will not fix this.
assbot: Young girl struck by school bus in Mary Queen of the World parking lot - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... (
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nubbins`: phun phact, when i was five years old, i missed getting run over by a taxi in this same parking lot by about 6 inches
nubbins`: that was when i learned you don't run on parking lots when they're covered in gravel
nubbins`: i'm thinking of roughly half the foreigners i met while teaching overseas
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nubbins`: there's about a 50/50 split between "young people who want to see the world, travel, pay off debt" and "weirdos escaping to start over"
nubbins`: it's much, much easier to cover up idiosyncrasies if there's a language and culture barrier in the way
assbot: 'I'm shocked': Corner Brook woman fined $250 for sealskin purse - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... (
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nubbins`: "My major concern at the time, because I travel to the states every now and then, is there going to be a red flag when they scan my passport? Is something going to show that I'm bringing in endangered whatever?" <<< yes, with 100% certainty.
nubbins` gets the VIP treatment every time due to an incident involving some undeclared goods
nubbins`: "She doesn't expect to ever see her bag again, but has received multiple offers from people who want to replace her purse." WHAT
nubbins`: this woman has enough disposable income that NOT ONLY does she own a sealskin fucking purse, but she regularly travels internationally to SHOP
nubbins`: and people are offering to buy her a new purse.
nubbins`: first nations activists are generally pretty hardass
nubbins`: the protest crowd could learn some lessons from em
nubbins`: altho TBF "get the fuck off our land" doesn't work if you're a kid in downtown montreal
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nubbins`: i sorta feel like getting on the yuan train
nubbins`: shit, there was a Crichton book (sphere?) where the future coca-cola cans were all in chinese
nubbins`: asciilifeform what's my other choice, CAD? :D
nubbins`: i'm not saying i'll remortgage the house or anything
nubbins`: but it'd be fun to add a few k's worth of yuan to the basket
nubbins`: a small amount of "can afford to lose, why not try btc" in 2012 provides the opportunity for "can afford to lose, why not try ___" in 2015
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nubbins`: i.e. let's restore your meat to its natural state
nubbins`: ...which is generally true, but probably not in this case.
nubbins`: note how the emphasis is on the feels ^
nubbins`: not be as valuable as you could be
nubbins`: "turns out the complainant didn't even have any orifices"
nubbins`: what was it, rolling stone or smth that broke the story?
nubbins`: if there's one thing that will stabilise the region, it's a year of bombings
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nubbins`: pretty light on content, that article
nubbins`: slideshow on bottom ("CSE's toolbox") is 100% generalities
nubbins`: "toolbox" = general trade practices
nubbins`: guess they really do screen candidates for some fields, hey?
nubbins`: or, put another way, what mats said
mats: living a life of secrecy is hard as it is
nubbins`: i think they'd be remiss if they weren't working on both.
mats: i'm not convinced dual_ec_drbg is rigged
mats: for the record, there is still absolutely zero solid evidence that Dual_EC_DRBG is backdoored. the Snowden leaks never mention it by name, never talk about backdooring a CSPRNG, and indeed never talk about backdooring anything. the extent of what they mention is that NSA wanted to 'influence standards'
nubbins`: "Protects exploitation of specific communications associated with ... money laundering ... and targets of interest"
mats: ive personally confirmed with schneier - in person - and have second-hand confirmations by others who have interacted with recipients of leaks
nubbins`: didn't schneier advocate windows as an acceptable PGP machine?
mats: the 2006 analysis and subsequent cryptanalytic work stand on their own when it comes to making the case for suspicion of a backdoor, but lets stay within the realm of reason here
nubbins`: as long as you installed all yr updates?!?!
nubbins`: mats it's worth mentioning that most of what snowden revealed was not considered "within the realm of reason" by many, before the fact
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:35:49; asciilifeform: if you create a 'heartbleed' - you are a вредитель. and whether you did it intentionally, given the impossibility of proof - does not matter.
nubbins`: PIEDMONT: "Provides protection to NSA's bottom line capabilities to exploit SIGINT targets by attacking the hard mathematical problems underlying public key cryptography as well as any future technologies as may be developed"
mats: i hate discussing these things with you people
mats: its always bogeymen, can't have serious discussion
nubbins`: OPALESCE sounds like keyboard rf sniffing
nubbins`: mats i understand your viewpoint but plz to understand that paranoia has proved to be justified time and again
nubbins`: while one may feel silly taking the paranoid stance as the default.... we're just evaluating the evidence as presented
nubbins`: i think the overwhelming amount of justification triggers a "this CAN'T be true" response in a lot of people
nubbins`: the gasenwagen, it can't be true.
nubbins`: the usa invading a foreign country on 100% false pretenses, it can't be true
mats: look, i'm putting my skepticism on the record. if there was evidence, it'd look like 'Tor Stinks' or the slides from Der Spiegel's work on the Belgacom pwnage. i'm not saying that Dual_EC_DRBG doesn't have obvious flaws or that anyone should continue using it, but my skepticism regarding it being an intentional backdoor remains
nubbins`: all american internet traffic flowing through an NSA closet in an at&t building -- it can't be true
mats: the whole 'NSA is undermining all crypto standards!' meme is overplayed
nubbins`: 1% chance of it being an intentional backdoor is 1000x the proof you need to not use it
fluffypony: I think it's very hard to tell the difference between mistake and malice.
thestringpuller: isn't there that saying, "Road to hell something something good intentions?"
fluffypony: thestringpuller: mistakes don't always stem from incompetence
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nubbins`: asciilifeform put another way: not everyone has syphilis, but you'd be remiss not to wrap it up when sexing a stranger
nubbins`: maybe intent is to give you the clap
nubbins`: gun was bad so we had to use the bayonets
nubbins`: the shovel was bad but wolves are always hungry
fluffypony: wait so we should have no crypto designers?
nubbins`: the crypto designer errs but once
fluffypony: on on the seventh day we'll rest, nubbins`
nubbins`: example from link: "When a black guy works at Starbucks and one hesitates to ask him for `black coffee"
☟︎ mats: fun fact: the tor browser bundle uses the Windows heap instead of jemalloc
nubbins`: (calling a black coffee a coffee without anything in it is sacrificing your beliefs?)
mats: it makes heap grooming more reliably supposedly
mats: but, you know, bugs
nubbins`: let me find a relevant quote from a recent communique i received
mats: there is actual evidence of malfeasance by NSA on other counts, documented and sometimes committed to powerpoint glory
mats: but i don't see that this is the case here.
nubbins`: burroughs no doubt had some similar shit going on upstairs
mats: show me the motherfucking evidence! you mean to tell me these bureaucrats decided not to commit anything to paper this go-around?
mats: but did, all those other times?
nubbins`: ("he wanted it done quick, not right")
mats: i guess you'll have to torture the interrogator.
nubbins`: "dude, just chill out, remember how much you like music?"
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nubbins`: ^ packaged w/ mycelium entropy thingy
nubbins`: "anyone else getting tiredof having no control over our surroundings, or the world at large?"
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nubbins`: yes, reddit commentor. many others.
nubbins`: i blame the guy's teachers and parents
nubbins`: too bad you can't light cigars with these things
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chetty: <nubbins`> "anyone else getting tiredof having no control over our surroundings, or the world at large?"// no one ever controls the world at large :P get used to it
nubbins`: this place has done more to fundamentally change my thought processes than six years at university
nubbins`: this'll be what, about a week?
ben_vulpes: i've lost track of how many times i've done it.
chetty: <nubbins`> this place has done more to fundamentally change my thought processes than six years at university// it is what a uni should be
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 23:29:17; jurov: lol you insist on psychedelic and whatnot. i'm about normal brain function
Adlai: so nothing, just sharing an effect i wasn't familiar with before
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 14:55:51; fluffypony: DJB believes secp256k1 is broken
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jurov is doing shit with lowlevel dbus interface.. and very first sample caused the introspection to timeout, how else
Adlai: nubbins`: my eyes aren't that far apart
Adlai: much less stressful to shrink the image and uncross
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 20:23:09; Rassah: In our tests, it still had plenty of entropy at 0ºC, but it smoothly went down to zero entropy around -20º. Maybe we should put warning stickers on these things saying "Caution - Chaotic System. Do not use in low entropy environments above the Arctic or below the Antarctic circle, unless exposed to external sources of energy" :)
Adlai: ahah '"Reddish green" redirects here. Reddish Green is also a place in Reddish, Stockport, in Greater Manchester in England.'
nubbins`: dat #b-a fingerprint on device
nubbins`: i'm at the 49th parallel, and i wouldn't be able to use one of these things outdoors in the winter.
mats: RSA upheld their end by backdooring the BSafe product
mats: that this happened at the same time as the push towards DUAL_EC as default looks incidental, not malicious
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mats: same premise as before! no proof.
nubbins`: man, if my goddamn roommate leaves the front door unlatched one more time, he's gonna find his possessions in the street
nubbins`: i've asked him SEVEN FUCKING TIMES
nubbins`: "just check it. it only takes a second."
nubbins`: not sure how else to phrase it
jurov: get your own room?
mats: what i'm saying is that, as the evidence stands, i'm unable to take a firmer position on Dual_EC than the previously accepted consensus that the weakness being a backdoor is quite unlikely, and that Dual_EC should be shunned only because of the abundance of caution with regard to any issues that is endemic to the crypto field
mats: by being excessively paranoid, you deprive yourself of a lot of useful engineering
mats: the claim i'm most concerned about is that the weakness was engineered by NSA, and that, by having approved it, NIST was complicit, thus casting doubt on all other NIST standards
mats: (not necessarily a claim made here -- but nonetheless)
jurov: what's the difference wrt NSA?
nubbins`: jurov i already phrased it that way :D
nubbins`: just running down the clock now
nubbins`: (just so we're clear, roommate in north america = "flatmate" in uk. we do not share rooms)
nubbins`: mats NIST was either complicit or oblivious. both share the same implications.
nubbins`: i.e. that all other NIST standards are cast under shadow
nubbins`: consider that "NIST approved it without knowing that it was backdoored" is probably the least desirable of the two
mats: this kind of innuendo with an utter lack of specifics divides reasonable people into two camps (maximally-paranoid, NIST is evil too, avoid all crypto standards vs. minimally-paranoid, no evidence for anything so we do nothing)
mats: leaving us with no real basis for actually figuring out the situation.
mats: and re: BSafe, i'm not convinced RSA could be sold on destroying their reputation for packing peanuts.
nubbins`: you're implying we can figure out the situation
nubbins`: and i'm saying that whether NIST is complicit or incompetent doesn't matter
mike_c: what? i thought it was common knowledge rsa sold their soul.
mats: well shit. i guess we're all back to handcrafting our own crypto then huh.
mike_c: "RSA received $10 million in a deal that set the NSA formula as the preferred, or default, method for number generation in the BSafe software"
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nubbins`: <+mats> well shit. i guess we're all back to handcrafting our own crypto then huh. <<< no, that's not what we're saying
pete_dushenski: mats seems to be pushing his dual_ec point a bit. i'm... skeptical.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`, re: jamaica << there's a spectrum of behaviours within the 'poor service' realm
pete_dushenski: on one end is disinterest, a la paris or w/e, on the other end is entitlement
nubbins`: why only two ends? it's a triangle
pete_dushenski: you could argue that they both grate on different people in different ways, sure, but for me it's the latter that annoys
nubbins`: what you see as entitlement is a desire to not waste time
pete_dushenski: what fucking 'wasted time' could jamaicans possibly have ?
nubbins`: trying to lick your asshole for a buck?
pete_dushenski: so they want to chill at the bar and smoke some weed instead of making a buck ?
nubbins`: when there's 500 other tourists who will just cough one up?
nubbins`: dude, people the world over want to chill at the bar and smoke some weed instead of making a buck.
pete_dushenski: maybe they put in a bit more effort, because sure, i have standards, and maybe they get rewarded for it
nubbins`: how much of your own time do you waste on maybes?
nubbins`: i'd say 5% of the time, or less, "more effort" results in "reward"
pete_dushenski: or maybe it's more quality of time, not quantity i'm looking for
nubbins`: consider that if your suggested approach worked, people would do it
pete_dushenski: in fact, my experience was that people gave me TOO MUCH time
pete_dushenski: they'd walk up to me and want to show me this and that, start following me wherever i was going, trying to nudge me here and there
pete_dushenski: they seemed to have an abundance of time but little notion of how to use it effectively (at least on me)
thestringpuller: i'm an expert time waster, and wasting time is an art pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: jamaicans should have a museum dedicated to this art, i say.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski minimum wage in jamaica is $1.25/hr.
nubbins`: if they get two dollars pestering you for an hour, they're ahead.
nubbins`: ten bucks is a day's work at an honest job
nubbins`: why does it seem irrational that they'd harass tourists for money?
nubbins`: consider how many of them just fork over the $$ to get rid of the guy
pete_dushenski: ok, so now you're saying that it's worth their time to be of service to me... make up your mind
nubbins`: i'm saying it's worth their time to try to get $$ out of tourists, but it's not worth their time to chase dead ends
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well it's in art in the sense of the Oracle from the Matrix. Once you realize there is a lot of "waiting" for events to occur, then it's best to spend the meanwhile in enjoyment.
pete_dushenski: i don't see that harassment, jostling, or whatever you want to call it is effective
nubbins`: pete_dushenski it's not effective --against you-- but it's *precisely effective* against the average vacationer.
nubbins`: these guys immediately realize that you're not some sucker who's gonna fork over a tenner
nubbins`: sometimes they harass a guy for an hour and get a payday
pete_dushenski: they all want to talk to the white kid with hair like them. i was the most popular thing on the street
nubbins`: pete_dushenski understand that you're a wallet with an afro when you visit resorts
nubbins`: all behaviour you observe follows from this
pete_dushenski: these are cities i'm talking about. namely, ocho rios and kingston
pete_dushenski: the point i'm making is that quality is more valuable than quantity
pete_dushenski: (though yes, quantity does have a quality all its own)
pete_dushenski: and i saw a fuckton of quantity and very little, but admittedly non-zero, amounts of quality
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 14:04:46; nubbins`: "sourcing their ingredients from within spitting distance, thus keeping the revenue in the local economy" <<< you mean keeping their /expenditures/ in the local economy. their revenue goes elsewhere, unless they're the ones buying all the dimebags.
nubbins`: anyway tl;dr their approach works well enough for them
nubbins`: if you're gonna upbraid them for not trying hard enough, why leave out the rest of the world?
nubbins`: none of us are trying hard enough
pete_dushenski: well, this'd be mp's recently identified economic meta problem
pete_dushenski: to which i humbly proposed, above, immigration of workerbees.
nubbins`: my recently identified pete's-blog-post-about-jamaica meta problem is that you identify entitlement as a problem but fail to realize that you're acting more entitled than these guys are
pete_dushenski: there are plenty of people on the planet trying to improve their lot in life.
nubbins`: "how dare they not realize i deserve red carpets and back rubs"
nubbins`: "i'm non-black, after all, and i can afford to come here. what more must i do?!"
pete_dushenski: that alone is a huge difference between me and kid scooping frozen fly guts
pete_dushenski: they're not me and i'm not them, so ya, if we say words that sounds superficially similar, they have different contexts, thus different implications
nubbins`: sure, but doesn't mean automatic handjobs for the guy who doesn't scoop fly guts
pete_dushenski: in that case, why bother doing better than fly guts kid ?
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pete_dushenski: "An Airbus A320 crashed en route to Dusseldorf from Barcelona, likely killing all 150 people on board, in what would be the worst air accident on French soil in three decades. Germanwings Flight 9525 operated by the low-cost subsidiary of Deutsche Lufthansa AG went down in the French Alps following a rapid descent from cruising altitude, France’s civil aviation authority said."
pete_dushenski: i guess cutting costs from air travel has consequences. who knew you can't race to the bottom indefinitely.
nubbins`: <+pete_dushenski> in that case, why bother doing better than fly guts kid ? <<< same reason one might bother to do worse: different tolerance for comforts or lack thereof
pete_dushenski: flying oz's jetstar made me appreciate air canada like nothing else
nubbins`: flying air canada made me appreciate westjet like nothing else XD
nubbins`: porter also gets points for free beer
nubbins`: you ask for a beer and they just give you one, it's great
pete_dushenski: i don't mind westjet, their staff are quite well trained
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: different tolerance for comforts or lack thereof << i guess jamaicans have a higher tolerance for discomfort than i do
pete_dushenski: given the mini-bus trip i took from the north of the island to the south, with 8 rows of people jammed, and i do mean jammed with mothers and children, 5 across
nubbins`: part of me feels this speaks to the relative lack of environmental stressors
nubbins`: i recommend you keep doing it for the forseeable future :D
nubbins`: (but srsly, marrakesh, you would not enjoy)
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pete_dushenski: lol funny you should mention marrakesh, i was actually going to go to morocco instead of jamaica but didn't have the 2-3 weeks needed to make the haul worthwhile
pete_dushenski: i should say, i had the 2-3 weeks, but chose to spread it out over two trips instead of 1
pete_dushenski: "One of Britons' favourite places to visit in North Africa has been named the world's top destination by TripAdvisor users. With its desert landscape and bustling souks, Marrakech came out on top in the website's annual Travellers' Choice Awards for the first time."
nubbins`: i went to marrakesh for a week
nubbins`: turns out, stupid length of trip
nubbins`: holed up in a hostel somewhere in the maze of souks for the week
nubbins`: saw the countryside a couple days
nubbins`: actually, touts aside, i'd go again for the food
nubbins`: but straight up, there is a club med about 100 meters from the main square, and you can tell
nubbins`: i'm not sure i'll be able to find a photograph that accurately captures what a bizarre juxtaposition this is, in the meantime
pete_dushenski: ya, it's not a pretty picture over in post-stevelandia
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: keep nubbins`occupied while i'm gone, wouldja ?
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assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 15:06:52; nubbins`: example from link: "When a black guy works at Starbucks and one hesitates to ask him for `black coffee"
ascii_field: mats: your phrase 'avoid all crypto standards' is very much -not- the inevitable implication of dismissing usg crapolade
ascii_field: mats: leaving us with no real basis for actually figuring out the situation. << know perfectly well that we -have- a real basis. any crypto standard promulgated by known malefactors is to be thrown out. and replaced not with iraqi caesar ciphers, no, but with derivation from first principles of perfectly reasonable modern crypto.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: what, precisely, was it that you wanted from the jamaicans ?
ascii_field: danielpbarron: the vibe i got was 'why won't they lick my boots, whatddayamean it isn't 1890 and i'm not a brit'
ascii_field: but guess what, a modern italian can't go around proclaiming 'civis romanus sum' to any useful result, either
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ascii_field: 'Recent revelations show that the situation has gotten so bad that today there are only approximately 3000 apps profitable enough to support a median income of $50k for their developer. It is also important to note that not all apps are built by one developer, many work as a team. So it follows that there are many fewer than 3000 developers sustainably doing independent development.'
ascii_field: 'According to reporting, "1.6 percent of developers earn more than the other 98.4 percent combined. And the bottom 47 percent of engineers earn less than $100 per month." Yet somehow, independent app development has often been described as a 'gold rush' despite it being quietly understood by developers, even as early as 2009, that this was hardly the case.' << does this person have any awareness of what the '49 goldrush
chetty: ascii_field, most likely no real knowledge of the gold rush
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nubbins` wrote two iOS apps, submitted to overlord for review & put up for sale
nubbins`: can verify, not reasonable way of making living
ascii_field wrote one long ago, never published, wouldn't do it again
nubbins`: (anyone with half a brain could probably extrapolate that doing work on speculation, in general, is not a reasonable way of making a living)
nubbins`: fwiw i earned enough money to buy an ipad
ascii_field: ^ how the 'making a living with apps' folks do it
nubbins`: "wait now, all those ipads are viewing the bitcoin forum"
ascii_field: -these- and precisely -these- people will always be the first to swear to you that 'being a star just happens'
nubbins`: ascii_field not unlike bitcoin, early "adopters" of writing ios apps scooped up most of the "free money"
nubbins`: i.e. for about three weeks, way back at the start, writing a "fart app" could reasonably earn you several months' wages
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 04:59:28; asciilifeform: church (evidently in some other piece, forget which) likens the vc circus to the process whereby american 'pop musicians' are industrially manufactured by, among other outfits, disney corp.
ascii_field: the app 'gold mine' thing is precisely the 'disney entrepreneur farm'
trinque: seems to be precisely the same mechanism
ascii_field: nubbins`: not even speaking of 'early adopters' - but of who it is who owns the 'app' market -today-
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nubbins`: i do know a guy who earns his living making mobile apps, but he's truly gifted and also concentrates on bespoke apps for product launch displays, interactive booths, etc
trinque: the few low-tier VCs I've talked to werent' the slightest bit interested in the fact that a) we're already profitable and b) had a sane plan to become more so
ascii_field: nubbins`: very different from the populist chumpatron, though
nubbins`: i know of noone else who can support themselves, let alone a family, on iOS
trinque: just "hey how are we going to chase this loyalty/social/... trend"
nubbins`: almost so different as to not warrant mentioning
nubbins`: nobody mentions how "angry birds" devs made, what was it? 52 failures before they hit that one
nubbins`: fifty-two apps that had to be written, tested, submitted, accepted, promoted...
ascii_field: article mentions gruber. who i recall very distinctly as an especially smarmy 'volunteer' apple propagandizer. he once sent fifty or so thousand morons to my site
nubbins`: doign work on spec is fucking nuts
funkenstein_: i refuse to admit that any creature would pay for an app
nubbins`: doing work on spec where it has to pass through a single arbiter is /daft/
nubbins`: funkenstein_ i paid eight or so bucks for a GPS app, 10/10 would do again
trinque: I've paid for a few apps, but my phone tends to be a mobile web browser
nubbins`: funkenstein_ try asking a different way?
trinque: were the web not insane, there'd be no 'app stores'
funkenstein_: software that has already been written is free
trinque: funkenstein_: weird way of saying warez? or do you only use open source?
danielpbarron: funkenstein_> i refuse to admit that any creature would pay for an app << I've paid for a few
funkenstein_: i ran windows at one point too, not gonna brag about it though
nubbins`: but to answer your impossibly odd question, yes, the GPS app that i purchased had already been written when i purchased it
trinque: I'm not keen on intellectual property, but that's not what I (tell myself I) pay for when I buy software
funkenstein_: i pay folks to write software, not to uh, well whatever it is you paid for
danielpbarron: i paid for an app called "drafts" which had the selling point of being a no-nonsense text input and saving app
nubbins`: funkenstein_ problem is, i can't get much of a GPS app written for $8.
ascii_field: danielpbarron: this is an ancient plague in the apple world. vendor releases an unusable os, and then various 'entrepreneurs' show up to expensively offer to paper over the turd, and users - oblige
trinque: so when do we fix the internet guys?
ascii_field: check out the many apps whose functionality sums up to one line of 'sed' on a sane machine
nubbins`: funkenstein_ that said, if you know of a way i can turn my phone into a full-featured GPS unit for eight dollars, feel free to let me know
trinque: need a sandbox which runs lisp code and can do rudimentary socket IO
nubbins`: i'm sure others would be interested as well
trinque: exchange pub key to get access
nubbins`: ah, we're doing pedantics here
danielpbarron: i paid for the up-sells in an app called "unfollow" so that i could keep an exceptions list; had it remove it recently because it became too buggy
nubbins`: no, it lets you create tracks, waypoints, PoIs, displays your avg speed and distance travelled, switch map overlays, blah blah
funkenstein_: you are looking for good map software actually, GIS is what you mean to say
trinque: best thing about gossipd is probably going to be writing software around it
nubbins`: no, i have good map software and good free maps
nubbins`: i'm looking for /bells and whistles/
nubbins`: if all i wanted was a map i'd take a fucking map
funkenstein_: i'm sure you can find what you are looking for
nubbins`: i'm sure you're talking out your ass
funkenstein_: if not let me know i'll get you the apk or whatever for free
nubbins`: funkenstein_ are we even speaking the same language here?
trinque: funkenstein_: there's nothing wrong with paying for software
trinque: I would like access to the source but that's a separate issue
nubbins`: "i paid eight bucks for a binary with neat features" "yeah? well i pay everyone to write the software i use. or i use free shit. you're a dummy, use free shit!"
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mats: ascii_field: ha, no. a finalist from this year
funkenstein_: i prefer to pay software developers for software
nubbins`: as if my time is so valueless that i'm willing to give up a couple hours over EIGHT DOLLARS
trinque: nubbins`: he git-tips a penny! good enough for anyone
ascii_field: nubbins`: payware costing money is by far the least significant problem with it, in my experience
trinque: funkenstein_: ascii_field may give you a beating if you claim you have full control over your software stack
ascii_field: and i've used software packages costing six (usd) figures
danielpbarron: yeah i really don't mind paying for nice things, software or otherwise
nubbins`: i'm not sure what's so hard to digest here
nubbins`: "why would you purchase a moleskine notebook? just use vi"
funkenstein_: danielpbarron did you send the 120 to an appstore?
trinque: funkenstein_: openbsd doesn't come from an app store
nubbins`: so of my eight bucks, $2.40 went to apple.
nubbins`: is there anyone present who would take on the job of finding me a piece of software compatible with my needs, for $2.40?
nubbins`: your time is your own to waste!
danielpbarron: the better argument may be "don't use the kind of device that has an app store" or something
danielpbarron: but seeing as how i have this stupid iphone, i really don't mind paying 1 to 10 USD for an app that actually works as described
trinque: soon as there's a fully open and documented phone/computer, I'll buy that too
funkenstein_: even though it has a detrimental effect on distribution and the software ecosystem
danielpbarron: i don't care about the principle of the thing -- that a text input without cruft should just come with the thing
danielpbarron: on a related note, i'm totally getting a moleskin notebook
nubbins`: me buying a handheld garmin has a detrimental effect on distribution and the software ecosystem
trinque: funkenstein_: you can moralize about any step in the supply chain of the thing
nubbins`: you buying a car has the same effect
danielpbarron: in the time it takes to unlock phone and open text app, i could have already written the idea down
trinque: I've got a highly customized gentoo running all OSS.... on a fucking lenovo x1 carbon
nubbins`: trinque lenovo? did it come with windows?
nubbins`: thanks for having a detrimental effect on distribution and the software ecosystem, judas
trinque: or hell I get an "open computer" whatever that is
ascii_field: there is no sensible 'pNohe', we already knew this
trinque: now I want wireless internet
nubbins`: but at least we have people happy to look around for free
trinque: or the parts are completely open and NSA spent infinite money discovering hardware flaws
trinque: and now I'm part of the NSA botnet
nubbins`: i'll just pop on irc every time i'm tempted to pay two dollars to satisfy an impulse
danielpbarron: the only software ecosystem that matters is right in here and i don't see it getting harmed by us paying for a gps app on our phones
ascii_field: trinque: part of the NSA botnet << most of us will live and die without having the honour of an 0day spent (yes, they're used up when used, think about it) on our sorry hides
nubbins`: danielpbarron "but if the gps app is closed source, it could be sending your location to the NSA" 8)8)8)8)8)
danielpbarron: so then the argument is "don't use iphone at all" which is a much more sensible argument
trinque: ascii_field: hm, I took the hard drive firmware situation to mean malware could hide and resurface without being detectable at the OS level
trinque: that led me to believe that they infect everyone, make almost all dormant
trinque: this led me to thinking about how much of what I've heard through leaks is psyops
trinque: ascii_field: makes sense though that they would treat these like fire-once weapons
ascii_field: trinque: basic tradecraft - the more shocking the exploit, the louder will be the cry when it is discovered; the more victims - the sooner it ends up on, e.g., my desk, or that of 100,000 other folks who can pry it open
ascii_field: mats: neato, there was a similar project for xilinx 'virtex'
mats: how was their progress?
ascii_field: mats: the way the story normally ends is that the reversed fpga becomes quasi-usable nearly the same time it goes out of print and replaced with incompatible version...
☟︎ ascii_field: 'as long as no block memories or hard IP blocks are used' << ahahahahaha.
ascii_field: even something as simple as dram is not, in practice, usable without the 'hard' blocks
ascii_field bashed his head on this for most of a year, at one point
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jurov: and the motivation, too
ascii_field: 'The library implements the AES block cipher in CTR mode and for the most part behaves as it is described in almost all circumstances it would normally be used in. Notably it passes all the FIPS and RFC test vectors for AES encoding and can interoperate with openssl. The library can be used in most any application where AES is needed and will behave appropriately. The library becomes exploitable specifically when it gets
ascii_field: used as part of an implementation of IPSec over IPv6 in a resource constrained IP stack. In such a case, under normal operation the library will perform properly, interoperating with other IPSec aes-ctr hosts. But when it is triggered by a forged ICMPv6 packet it will lead to a full plaintext reveal. Another forged ICMP packet will restore the conforming behavior so that normal packet retries will mask the improper
ascii_field: 'Provides a working implementation of a backdoor embedded into the RSA modulus of a Certification Authority public-key certificate and the code for a minimalistic client and server communicating over a TLS channel:'
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ascii_field: 'Shows how this backdoor can completely pervert the security guarantees provided by the TLS protocol... even the presence of a single CA certificate with a secretly embedded backdoor in the certificate store would render the entire TLS security fictional...'
jurov: there's also ECDSA goodie "I have extended this attack to work in cases where there is a
jurov: known difference between the key values used in two signatures"
ascii_field: this was, iirc, actually fired in anger and coin was recovered
ascii_field: incidentally, one of the entries is a diddled ecc curve
ascii_field: 'It is my aim to set a new high-water mark for transparency in parameter generation. To that end, all of these values are nothing-up-my-sleeve numbers which I generated by singing the Bohemian Rhapsody backward with my dog barking in the background, digitizing the audio as an MP3 at a bitrate of 192kbit/s, and taking every 17th byte of the result. Their integrity can easily be verified by repeating this procedure.'
jurov: can i borrow the dog?
ascii_field: ... and one of the submissions is a pwning of actual wild openssl when an idiot uses dsa.
ascii_field: jurov: the rpm signature entry isn't yours by any chance ?
ascii_field: i could've sworn you discovered this very item in the actual wild
jurov: no, i have no entry
jurov: ths is something different
ascii_field: i highly recommend reading the ucc winners
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu es.qntra sounds cool Seperate wordpress install for it does seem necessary
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla es.qntra sounds cool Seperate wordpress install for it does seem necessary
jurov: i was thinking at first "how is he patching yum or what?" but it's about principle
jurov: that it is checking for error messages, not "GOOD signature" string
mats: all the moar reason to sell pogos imo
ascii_field: 'OS is Ubuntu 14 with optional GUI desktop. It can support to a mouse, keyboard and HDMI monitor if desired' << l0l!!
jurov: omfg... checked /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/rpmUtils/miscutils.py
jurov: and it *really* does say:
jurov: if str(e) == "public key not availaiable":
mats: (training round as indicated by green tip)
jurov: on live cnetos installation
mats: ascii_field: nah. acquaintance's.
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 09:25:50; mircea_popescu: cazalla you know how to set that shit up tho ?
ascii_field: mats: what do these cost (assuming this was surplus ?)
cazalla: BingoBoingo, there's also wordpress multisite, but i have never used it
ascii_field: mats: and is that a flir camera head in the left hand side? another golden toilet
mats: ascii_field: iirc bezzle rate for live rounds are 70k+
Adlai would call this a partly disassembled enclosure, the missile has its own insides too
BingoBoingo: cazalla: They moved most of that functionality into wordpress, better to separate the things at a moving parts level anyways
mats: ascii_field: i think so. i believe the tip is transparent like the 'Sidewinder'
cazalla: the only downside to es.qntra.net would be that it won't benefit from the mother, a subdomain is essentially a brand new site (in the eyes of google)
ascii_field: mats: tip is normally transparent in heat-seekers
ascii_field: mats: what precisely is the point of a training round rocket ?
mats: i can't explain it.
Adlai: some training ordnances let you toggle in simulated errors
Adlai doesn't know about this specific one
ascii_field: judging only by the photo, the electronic components are in
ascii_field: at any rate, such rockets have not really changed since the '70s
Adlai: iirc some training ordnance also simulates in-flight behavior of the real thing
BingoBoingo: My guess is it is either for training pilots under load or training maintenance techs without a sapper's margin of error
Adlai: ... actually, there's a lot of new magic?
Adlai is more familiar with anti-tank than anti-air though
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ascii_field: if it is anything like the training version of 'strela' (man-portable surface to air rocket from ru, whose manual was discussed in here a few wks ago) the training variant lets you lock onto and track a target, but doesn't fly or explode.
nubbins`: ^ Compiling bitcoin-v0.5.3.1 on OSX
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: nubbins`: any changes -not- in common with openbsd << For versions earlier than 5.7 and -current some wallet.cpp code needs changed to use better random
mod6: great work nubbins`!
mod6: thanks for posting.
ascii_field: doesn't cost any less than a normal computer
nubbins`: mod6 i should stress that *none* of the hardening options are included in that makefile, and it really should not be used for anything other than reference
nubbins`: mod6 but FWIW this process should generally be able to be applied to future releases as well
ascii_field: thestringpuller: if they were passing these out for tenbux each, then.
nubbins`: i.e. 0.5.3.2 should patch just the same
thestringpuller: ascii_field: snore for now, but if they start selling, they lower barrier to fork.
ascii_field: the photo suggests something like a 'raspberry'
thestringpuller: just bad feeling seeing summer 2015 as their schedule and this aligns with gavin wanting to have enough dick's sucked to push his shit into github around then as well
nubbins`: ascii_field i thought it was a raspi between two sheets of acrylic at first
nubbins`: looks like similar class of hw
nubbins`: .foundation 0.5.3.1 running on pogoplug w/ SD card is a stopgap here
ascii_field: not revealed in the phoundation site, of course
ascii_field: but can be inferred from the port layout and the chipset in the spec sheet.
mod6: # Modified March 22 2015 by Satoshi Nakamoto for La Serenissima << :]
nubbins`: dat paying for a needless gpu, hdmi, etc
nubbins`: i wonder how much $$ pogo boards could be had for in quantity
ascii_field: nubbins`: probably ~19 usd forever until they run out
nubbins`: lel. i know, i mean actually having just the boards produced
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the plastic casing is at least as valuable as the boards.
nubbins`: it comes with a fucking 3-foot cat5!
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ascii_field: and don't forget the steel heat sink in there
nubbins`: so what i'm wondering is what you're looking at for, say, 10k units without all that fluff
ascii_field: i'll add that the case is not merely decorative
ascii_field: it holds the heatsink in place, and cradles the hdd
nubbins`: i obv have no idea as to scale here
ascii_field: and a socket on the side for another identical unit, for when the flash fills.
ascii_field: (ethernet socket on other hand side, naturally)
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nubbins`: pogo is what, marvell kirkwood?
nubbins`: might be worth contacting /them/
nubbins`: if anyone'd have a handle on someone down-chain who has however many k units..
ascii_field: nubbins`: for what do you need a 4g nand ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field but the 4gb is only because they run crud.
nubbins`: ascii_field that's what i'm wondering :0
ascii_field: you can't get it without the extra bells & whistles
mircea_popescu: anyway, speaking of this, what was the status of teh pogo project ? we ready to bake ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if you ask me, releasing the memleak version is lunacy
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mircea_popescu: you can't postpone everything until everything else just like you can't have everything louder than everything else.
ascii_field: i specifically mean that a node running bitcoincrashcrashcrash is dangerous to itself and others.
ascii_field: if i could quantify it, it wouldn't be nondeterministic, would it
ascii_field: i meant that it trashes state unpredictably
danielpbarron: nubbins`> it comes with a bobbaing 3-foot cat5! << most do; not all -- the power supply also varies in shape
ascii_field: chetty: a certain semiconductor vendor had a heat-based tattletale mechanism for detecting clones
ascii_field: transmitted a few bytes with small variations in surface temp
chetty: yeah old tech, but showing up in more mainstream sorts of pubs is interesting
ascii_field: the receiver here is the built-in thermistor found in most servers
ascii_field: 'The two systems would then engage in a handshake, involving a sequence of “thermal pings” of +1C degrees each, to establish a connection. ' << stopped reading here
ascii_field: noise sensitivity makes it hopeless in the wild
ascii_field: (a passing draft will drop your channel capacity to nothing ?)
nubbins`: a passing draft will drop your outdoor coffee roaster by 20C
nubbins`: wait, that conversation was from somewhere else
danielpbarron: how hard would it be to get OpenBSD on a pogo? I've been idling in their channel but I'm not sure how productive it would be to just go "hey someone should start supporting this architecture for my pet project!"
ascii_field: (no support for the nand; bizarre bugs in other drivers)
danielpbarron: i don't mind paying someone to do it, but i probably can't afford whatever that kind of work is worth
ascii_field: i would do it pro bono but haven't the time
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danielpbarron: i got your netbsd kernel to boot on the pogo; this is possible with openbsd as well?
ascii_field: but iirc the device support of openbsd is a subset of netbsd's
nubbins`: was bsd chosen because of smallest footprint or other?
nubbins`: i recall you saying a bare bones install could be impossibly tiny
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> was bsd chosen because of smallest footprint or other? << small footprint no crud
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> (a passing draft will drop your channel capacity to nothing ?) << BUT DRM IN AUDIO WORKS!!!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ?
mircea_popescu: apparently ascii_field wants a provably-correct stack of five layers of software before we ship out ten dollar items.
ascii_field: neh just something that isn't guaranteed to kark its breeks after 40min
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what was the current block count on those things ?
ascii_field: anyone who wants an illustration of roughly what has to be done, is invited to read my skull&crossbones patch
mod6: For me, and I might be wrong here, but fixing that is a huge chunk of work. I'd have to break it down to give a decent estimate. But I'd guess 6 months or more, easy.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you familiar with how long current foundation patch took ?
mircea_popescu: or anything else for that matter, deedbot, cardano, eulora, name it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: one of these things is not like the other, i think
chetty: fisrt version of eulora was fast :)
mircea_popescu: o look at those kulaks over there... THEY have to do things right.
ascii_field: gavin or whoever - isn't he a full-time dev for turdation ?
mircea_popescu: yes and he's doing his job to the best of his abilities.
mod6: Our goal is to get this resolved, but I think it seriously is going to take some effort. Part of going forward from this release is going to be breaking down goals and getting them lined up. I have high hopes to discuss much of this at the Cnof.
mod6: Sorry! I'll get you something tonight :)
mod6: Yes, Sir. Should have responded lastnight, just got distracted hacking together my obsd lappy.
ascii_field: mod6, mircea_popescu: depending on what it means to fix the leak (total replacement for block sync mechanism and a mathematical proof for it? or something more like my patch ?) it could take anywhere from a weekend to maxint days
mod6: yeah, im talking about an all encompassing approach .. many small steps, the former.
mod6: Anything worth doing, is worth doing right.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the way system engineering is done, is either do not fix a problem, or else fix the problem. adding a problem++ to the list at the cost of a weekend is not on this list.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: adding a problem++ to the list at the cost of a weekend is not on this list << astute observation, which is why my patch was specifically labeled as a proof to nail down the locus of the problem, and not an item to be used on the battlefield.
mircea_popescu: cool. so then, these things are pretty much ready to launch are they ?
danielpbarron: i also had one going that was using a USB3 stick -- stopped it after a week or so when it was clearly way too slow
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron link me to your last version of "how to" again plox ?
nubbins`: i have pogo x2 on the way, i'm gonna dig into this
mircea_popescu: i haven't seen asciiart technical drawings in documents since the 90s.
danielpbarron: the shortcoming is it's using ArchLinux, doesn't boot from eeprom, requires a great deal of user setup to get working
trinque: all danielpbarron's docs rule
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danielpbarron: would have to be shipped with SD card already configured if the end user is to just plug in a hard drive and forget about it
mircea_popescu: stop wasting your time with whatever. you have any idea what shortage is for these ?
nubbins`: ^ truth sauce, almost took this up as a career
mircea_popescu: no but this nut's fucking talented, look at this thing.
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> would have to be shipped with SD card already configured if the end user is to just plug in a hard drive and forget about it <<< that is actually preferable for almost everyone who would buy this
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how fucking ~rare~ an actual talent for technical writing is ?
nubbins` did well enough at this in uni to get pulled into strange prof's office for praise once
nubbins`: and i wouldn't call myself, y'know, outstanding
danielpbarron: i move millions of dollars worth of stuff over the course of a month or two
danielpbarron: good to know there are other options; i woudln't mind supplementing my income
danielpbarron: especially with food costing what it does these days
mircea_popescu: "dude, get into this thing you're great for it pays excellent" "oh, i do ok... and i know what food costs." "listen to me... you're not supposed to know what food costs."
mircea_popescu: anyway. so archlinux ? what happened to netbsd or w/e ?!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im gonna unwind this thing cause i think it ran into a problem.
nubbins`: if we're talking about a "pogo node" as a kit that one can purchase, i think, it's fine to start with w/e distro, booting from SD, skull-and-crossbones patches, w/e
BingoBoingo: Well, the pogo hardware was never marketed with multithreading
nubbins`: all else aside, owning one of these pogos is an opportunity
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so what exactly is it, how did it end up on arch ?
nubbins`: if it's got a real version of bitcoind that works enough to use, all the better
nubbins`: nobody who can't follow some simple instructions to flash nand down the road and reclaim their SD card is gonna buy one anyway
nubbins`: find any forum thread anywhere about pogoplugs being sold at these prices, most of the responses are "!!!!!!!!!"
danielpbarron: there was already a guide written for getting it to work on arch
danielpbarron: and then later i found a guide for debian, but the bitcoind was still dynamic and wouldn't work on it
danielpbarron: easier yes, in that i don't know any alternatives that work yet
danielpbarron: i think another unsolved problem is that we don't know how to compile a linux kernel that works
mircea_popescu: so basically, you put archlinux according to ascii_field's brew on the pogo, and then compiled a static foundation bitcoind and loaded that up, and that's what we have now ?
trinque: danielpbarron: you can use localmodconfig for that
☟︎ trinque: build it on a working linux, and you'll get a kernel config
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nubbins`: bbl supper but quite interested in getting this sorted
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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron can you try it ? on a like... 3rd pogo ?
mircea_popescu: so then the master here becomes, arch as per ascii, static as per current foundation release.
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danielpbarron: i tried to build it for my gentoo laptop and it errored out
danielpbarron: idk if this also means it won't work on pogo or what
trinque: it would appear to be 32bit arm
mircea_popescu: o fucking hell check out the gross mismanagement i managed to bless the world with.
mircea_popescu: mod6 so the emerging problem here is that while i said "ok" to 64 bit only foundation bitcoind, it turns out when need 32 bit support for our own fucking projects, which notably is the pogo.
danielpbarron: is it being 32 bit a problem beyond getting bitcoind working?
danielpbarron: i was lead to believe that getting it to work on 32 bit wasn't that big of a deal, just low priority
danielpbarron: i mean, is the pogo being 32 bit a bigger problem? like is 32 bit becoming obsolete or something?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron everything's becoming obsolete eventually. but no, this isn't that.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 15:07:01; mod6: anyway, it certainly is a goal to support x32. it'll just be in the next release. this has been dragging out too long.
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> i also had one going that was using a USB3 stick -- stopped it after a week or so when it was clearly way too slow <<< how far'd you get?
danielpbarron: well i didn't start it from scratch; I copied .bitcoin from the sata one
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mircea_popescu: they think "it may be fixed" because "anectodally" it doesn't seem to have displayed the behaviour.
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mircea_popescu: basically, this would be prima facie evidence that the code the power rangers sign has very little to do with them.
mircea_popescu: they get it from a dead drop or something, and well, whatever. go to conferences.
nubbins`: the avionics systems haven't failed since last time, so we're pretty sure it may be fixed
mircea_popescu: "which happened to run on a magically garbage collected computor that doens't exist anymore"
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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> now, can we has static etc 32 bit ? << yeah. we'll put that at the top of the list.
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mircea_popescu: ok, so : pogo = arch as per ascii, static new bitcoind 32 bit as soon as foundation can bang it out.
danielpbarron: debian works well on pogo, i'm ircing from it right now
mircea_popescu: but iirc, a lot of valuable effort went into selecting and pepraring the os. what do you mean "it could be debian" ?
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danielpbarron: so far i've gotton both debian and archlinux to work on a pogo
danielpbarron: gotten* / and debian is preferable because no systemd
danielpbarron: but the dynamic bitcoind wouldn't work on it; this may be resolved with the "new bitcoind 32 bit"
mircea_popescu: dude this "let's try pluging things see what happens" approach only works if you actually test, and you're not tooled for the mindboggling thing this testing would be.
mircea_popescu: gotta go with an os brewed by someone with some experience so as to have at least a fighting chance the whole thing works.
danielpbarron: his instructions were strictly for building bitcoind for pogo
danielpbarron: i was holding out for the thing that gets installed in the eeprom
danielpbarron: ascii was looking at netbsd for a time; there was some bug where it couldn't see the nand, plus we discovered nasty things about netbsd in general
mircea_popescu: so basically, i surmise, we'd have liked a clean "os in eeprom, data on disk" arrangement, but it seems we're not actually capable to do this, and so as a backstop you tried a few oses to go on disk
danielpbarron: ascii is probably capable, but he's also very busy
nubbins`: arch, fwiw, has the most available documentation re: installing on pogoplug
nubbins`: but afaik there's no reason, say, gentoo wouldn't fly
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the 128mb is the reason none of this flies. they all crawl so far.
nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone listening would like to try his hand at "make your fave os 128mb in eeprom"...
jurov: i can do C/system programming fine but gotta pay bills... stepped aside from this for now
danielpbarron: oh, i guess the reason no gentoo was the kernel and userland are bigger; but if it's not going into the eeprom gentoo should work
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assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 23:14:45; danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what about gentoo on the pogo?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron we want os on the disk like we want wallets on windows.
danielpbarron: right, but i'm just offering alternatives to ArchLinux (which is also on disk)
trinque: danielpbarron: busybox is made for tight spaces
nubbins`: potential for wasted effort if the chosen os won't fit into eeprom down the road
trinque: I'm going to just buy one of these fuckers and pitch in
trinque: as if I don't have enough going on :p
nubbins`: we're assholes, yet here we are trying
danielpbarron: trinque, yeah "Pogoplug Series 4" the one with purple logo
nubbins`: blue logo if you want to store blockchain on usb stick ;p
nubbins`: i'm prob'ly gonna grab 50 or so once i'm satisfied i can make it work
trinque: nubbins`: eh? what's the difference in logo color?
trinque: so I want red/pink/whatever
danielpbarron: the purple has a usb2 port on the top next to sata port
mircea_popescu: <trinque> as if I don't have enough going on :p << hey, in my spare time i'm designing a fucking game. up to my neck in, of all things, mysql!
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trinque: mircea_popescu: heh I don't mind; am merely setting expectations
mircea_popescu: "Japanese society can be notoriously conservative when it comes to gender roles. While there is a lot of talk about the negative effects of imposing traditional roles on women, their restrictiveness and destructiveness for well-being are rarely mentioned in regard to men."
mircea_popescu: "traditional" gender roles not only happen to be correct, but the costs of getting rid of them are, simply put, societal collapse.
mircea_popescu: the notion taht they are "destructive" for either men or women is so idiotic as to wrap over the ridiculous threshold multiple times.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : not everything that's inconvenient is bad. on the fucking contrary.
jurov: i guess these roles were fit for manually working males, "inconvenient" for office rats
ascii_field: but kernel dies during boot and have not so far had the time to determine why
ascii_field: since everyone seems to be 'axe time sword time coooming clooser' i guess it's time for me to actually fix it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well, i can see a 32 brew of bitcoind coming soonish, is this tacklable to go with it ?
mircea_popescu: i guess that'll be useful for mod6 as a reminder, tho i think he knows.
ascii_field: no reason why the latest recipe can't build on my cross-chain
mircea_popescu: DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT firing these in anger. You may lose limbs." << recall that ?
ascii_field: the build recipe for the cross to armv5 was called 'portatronic'
ascii_field: unless some bug was -introduced- since i last played with bitcoind, it should work ok on 32
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> no one remembers? posted bins too <<< i remember!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: basic idea is that we mustn't ship with a kernel built by some random bozo
trinque: any reason not to use pogo with an sd card for the blockchain?
trinque: or should I get this usm thing
nubbins`: much of today will be useful in the future, i'm putting a pin in it
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how soon can we have it << i personally will dust it off tonight and say where it's at before i turn in for the night
mircea_popescu: trinque you should try the sd if you're doing research.
danielpbarron: store blockchain on SD card? that will take forever to sync
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you gotta appreciate the following point : people have diff items hanging around ther house
ascii_field: sd card isn't typically built for 100% duty cycle either
ascii_field: (normal application is more something liek a camera)
danielpbarron: might be interesting to see if an already synced .bitcoin directory is copied over to SD card and see if it can simply keep up
trinque: I am fine with doing the tortoise test
trinque: mostly interested in helping with the OS
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you on the other hand have to appreciate the ricochet benefit.
nubbins`: danielpbarron i'm wondering same but re: usb thumb
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nubbins`: like 11 minutes to digest each new block sort of low speed?
danielpbarron: maybe i did it wrong or something; USB3 theoretically should be very fast
mircea_popescu: usbs have never been seriously optimised for FILMING TO THEM
trinque: seems the above sd is intended for yeah, filming
nubbins`: so you're saying a synced .bitcoin/ copied to a usb2 thumb drive
nubbins`: will not pull down another block?
trinque: I like how they put 90mb/sec with a fucking asterisk on the thing's sticker
trinque: that will someday be the contracted form of "isn't"
danielpbarron: would my .bitcoin/ data dir from 0.7.2 be compatible with 0.5.3.1 ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the situaton is : usb not usable for storage for our purposes, sd maybe usable. if one wants guidance, that's guidance, if one wants to do testing, that's your falsifiable hypothesis.
ascii_field: anyways i'ma do another buildroot tonight.
nubbins`: danielpbarron assuming same bdb, i'd say they're interchangeable
nubbins` admittedly knows zilch about sd
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 13:06:50; asciilifeform: the 'pathology' was that these people imagined they wanted to move to japan, but what they -actually- wanted was: -to have always lived there-
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nubbins`: 30MB/s writes if it's up to spec
mircea_popescu: it usually goes like "omfg, argentines are fucking retarded" "unlike who, romanians ?" "but look at X!" "myeah..." "you got a point. fucking people."
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 13:08:20; nubbins`: a lot of them don't make it to japan
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have a policy to take out libtards and shoot them. so it's doomed.
trinque: austin's being infested with californians, yep
trinque: time to time I regress to the delusion that somewhere within the state's there's still actual entrepreneurship
mircea_popescu: you know, like the american beauty notion that somewhere in the obnoxious bitch that's anette benning there's still the girl that flashed helicopters.
mircea_popescu: "just gotta find the right zit to pop, and out she goes"
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nubbins`: re: bitseed node, are they using refurb HDDs or something?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i somehow doubt that guy has a problem with traffic.
nubbins`: SBC and 160GB hdd for $149, how they makin money!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently he popped a RAID earlier this week and started his rebuild with the site still up
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo guy runs a blogspot blog and has 50 followers. what difference does it make if its publicly visible or not.
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mircea_popescu: more points scored for japan than everything the us state dept did past decade put together.
trinque: I doubt I have the culture to even talk about honor but that seems in the ballpark
mircea_popescu: actually americans used to be pretty honorable as far as these things go.
mircea_popescu: then they became reasonable instead, sometime around ww1/ww2. by now...
nubbins`: mircea_popescu huge slab of steel = unreasonable heat-up times, plus the thing'd fall over frontwards
mircea_popescu: i thought this was used on a feeder, not 1 shirt at a time
mircea_popescu: if you do 1k of the things, metal is actualy very reasonable. just the right sort of q inertia
nubbins`: this is a "Flash dryer" for semi-drying inks on-press between colors of ink
nubbins`: i lay down a print, swing the arm 90deg to the left
nubbins`: dwell 10s while i print the next one, rotate again etc
nubbins`: THAT SAID, people can and do use the huge-coil ones
nubbins`: philippines in particular has a massive amount of small-industry silkscreen and almost all of them are using dismantled ovens for curing
jurov: actually that is what i meant, office rats can't really have honor. and without honor, also no role
nubbins`: which everyone thought was odd, until one guy from there explained how many ovens an actual flash cure would cost
mircea_popescu: see, to propose honor is somehow in the job ie external rather than i nthe person seems nonsense.
mircea_popescu: besides, historically, every new job was deemed to be "devoid of the possibility of honor"
nubbins`: you see some wild setups. like shirts being hung on a clothesline and wheeled across a 30 foot bank of hung oven elements
jurov: honorable person would refuse such job
jurov: know any counterexample?
mircea_popescu: now, you're right in saying that gender is not really an attribute of lower life forms, and if one becomes a part of some sort of machine the gender's useless to them, which is how we got bees and ants in the first place.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i dunno that there's something magical about the office automatically requiring this.
mircea_popescu: the uk ran offices of perfectly respectable folk for all of the 1800s.
mircea_popescu: for that matter - being A DOCTOR is becoming more like this, and wasn't like this before at all - it was the very pinnacle of liberal profession.
mircea_popescu: so i agree that punishing the plebs for being "bicurious" or "metrosexual" or "gender confused" or "Transsexual" or w/e is really silly, they're simply sexless.
jurov: both cases were primarily defined tby going out and talking/doing something to people, not pushing papers and filling forms
nubbins`: hey, some people in office jobs have sharp teeth
mircea_popescu: jurov not sure socialisation is the key here. for instance, navigators perfectly honorable, except if not.
jurov: um, i can't put the finger exactly there
mircea_popescu: then again, pirates invented the "honor among thieves" thing which is what we're fundamentally continuating here. "how could there be rule of law otuside of usg ?!?!" "same way there was rule of law in the fucking bahamas"
trinque: jurov: are you equating office with cube-hell?
mircea_popescu: and this is where it comes out that mp sees only very moderate problems with "honor killings", for instance, as atrociously intoilerable they may seem to the libertard set. meanwhile mp sees some problem with say "hospital deaths", as totally benign and normal and expected they seem to the same set.
mircea_popescu: but not subscribing to that particular silly manicheism allows one to see that really, the modern story of "libertard society driving out honor society (aka, amusingly, honorata societa)" has everything to do with a happenstance :
mircea_popescu: that scientists happened to prefer working with one of the available ideologies rather than the other. there's nothing ~fundamental~ about the "well being" of democracy.
mircea_popescu: it all flows from packaging and selling other people's added value, and those other people are pointedly not part of the democracy, nor is their donation necessary in absolutely any sense.
mircea_popescu: so, on the score of "what is bitcoin disrupting" : getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society.
trinque: hm yeah, and the thing has inertia. places with scientists are better places for scientists, that sort of thing?
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mircea_popescu: truth is scientists can't really be anything but scientists.
mircea_popescu: if they buy into the entire "socialist nice" thing, as exemplified by say the original dispute that created this place, or whatever recent quiote from some linus criticism of poettering's or w/e, you get one sort of failure mode of science.
mircea_popescu: if they buy into the entire honor thing, you get a different failure mode.
mircea_popescu: in principle whichever ideology (ie, principle of societal organisation) offers best insulation from failure modes will prevail.
mircea_popescu: since somehow "tradition" was for a while cognate with "don't need to read or write or even know history, tradition is what i say it is", there was a major, multi-secular migration towards "liberalism"
mircea_popescu: as that shit's coming to hit the fan with its "equality" and whatnot, the whole tectonic plaque's going to come this way again.
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mircea_popescu: and so on. it's not just the dusk of "america", it's the end of "democracy" and liberalism etc.
trinque: this way being hierarchial power structures, wealth defining governance?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00022532 = 2.6024 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: this way being hard to pinpoint yet, but mostly a wot based, loose and half anon, gpg empowered, bitcoin measured thing.
mircea_popescu: we're getting a new body, it's wot-innervated and bitcoin-perfused and im starting to guess the musculature etc.
mircea_popescu: for lolz, contrast this with the entire "we don't understand bitcoin but are excited at the blockchain technology" thingee.
jurov: these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening
mircea_popescu: gossip networks and fault tolerant pow. stuff that was there for decades. "we don't understand what matters but we'll stick to clutching at the straws we recognise"
jurov: alf's everyday ramblings are case in point
mircea_popescu: suddenly the "don't need to read or write" shoe is on the other, liberal foot.
trinque: jurov: seems like it's early days
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah, most infants have dayjobs too, the feed themselves o.O
mircea_popescu: read the case in point in say henry millers' books. the guy DROVE the sexual revolution,
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trinque: good documentary about the band Death that invented punk rock
trinque: bunch of black dudes from Detroit
trinque: the leader there died of alcoholism or something along those lines
trinque: mircea_popescu: the permanent social memory thing; that's what interested me in deedbot
trinque: whatever's said there lasts at least as long as the currency
jurov: fuck the starvation
trinque: I have to admire someone who dies with a finger pointed at someplace better.
trinque: though I admire more the man who creates the better place
mircea_popescu: trinque people always wanted to fight forgetfulness huh.
mircea_popescu: Pedalavo come se fuggissi, e in realtà fuggivo. Da lei, da quelle emozioni, dai sogni, dai ricordi, da tutto e pensavo che dovevo dimenticare. Ero certo che sarei riuscito a dimenticare, ma oggi che sono vecchio, che ho consumato banalmente la vita, che ho conosciuto tante donne che mi hanno detto: “Ricordati di me” e io le ho scordate tutte, ancora oggi e’ lei l’unica che non ho mai dimenticato. Malena!
trinque: should I be able to parse the quotation without the film?
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