mircea_popescu: they're not supposed to hurt, no. if they do give it a rest.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so this is it for "public" gentoo then ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-05 00:46 asciilifeform: i dun recall if i mentioned : as of coupla wks ago, no moar 'emerge portage' on asciilifeform's-ban-masks gentoo boxen : it now ~demands~ gpg2 turd.
trinque: toggled by the rsync-verify use flag, not that I'm excusing it.
trinque: oughta be pretty clear gentoo's firmly in satan's hands these days
mircea_popescu: "represents a major upgrade of our system and is, as far as we are aware, the only system of it's type that's been developed on RISC OS." << read one line, run into one spelling error. this bodes well for the LOC.
mircea_popescu: still in use, though, somehow, as someone actually loaded trilema on one.
mircea_popescu: someone should make Moon Lunaris, be done with esltardation altogether.
mircea_popescu: i still had my old z80s in a drawer somewhere well into the 3rd millenium
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 02:41 asciilifeform: Framedragger's 'massscan' proggy does not clog state table tho, it has own peculiar ip stack that goes 'statelessly'
a111: Logged on 2018-06-28 20:48 asciilifeform: mod6: a few yrs ago asciilifeform went ( or rather, was sent ) to a smaller/sadder version of said item, 'shmoocon', you wouldn't believe the sort of snake oil that was sold there
phf: there was an occasional poc||gtfo speaker doing not necessarily particularly sophisticated, but at least aesthetically pleasing hacks. and of course you could meet oldfags in the hallways. but even back then you could see that the community is being replaced by martin marlinspooks with throngs on millennial sycophants, but at least you could avoid them if you wanted to. i heard that's no longer the case.
phf is actually going to HOPE, which was always a parody of a "hacker culture", coming as it is from 2600 circles, but at it's in new york and it's an opportunity to spend time with my new york friends. last time i was at HOPE that was 2010 or so, when the whole theme was g.w.bush as 1984/hitler. at least hope delivers in lulz department. wozniak is going to be there, signing apple ii's or whatever.
phf: HOPE is very new york, it's a bunch of fashionistas pretending like 90s never ended and The Hackers was for real
phf: i wonder if some decades are not really destined for a general come back, like the 70s
phf: i suspect because the 90s hackers were a lot more mainstream, i mean they had prodigy and orbital, rollerblades and spray painted laptops. i guess wargames is from the time when nerds weren't "cool" at all, though they did have progressive rock, so i guess that counts for something..
a111: Logged on 2018-06-28 23:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: amusingly enuff , even the troo diehard ukrs are entirely ru-speaking folx, at least when camera aint rolling. and , extra lulzily, ditto the chechens ( witness, their 'all things ru suxxx!' 'official' www linked earlier -- 100% in ru )
phf: amusingly enough if you search "газова горілка" there's a bunch of online stores that sell... gas burners!
phf: (the correct word could also be derived from russian, but it's a different root "пальник")
phf: (for the logs, "gas burner" in russian is "gazovaya gorelka". certain russian words have ukr equivalents where the form modification follows a set of somewhat recognizable rules. the president of ukrain not knowing the correct term of "gas burner" in ukranian attempted just such modification transforming "gazovaya gorelka" into "gazova gorilka", which sounds ukranian and "gazova" is correct word, unfortunately for him "gorilka" only ever means "vodka"
mircea_popescu: i recall a time fashionistas used to be a californy item derrided on the ny-london axis, and sorta-kinda patronized in paris.
mircea_popescu: i also recall a time when a bunch of serb retards and a bunch of butthurt croats spent an afternoon pretending they can't understand each other "because speaking different languages" and "need translators". it was fucking hysterical.
mircea_popescu: ps. there is no such thing as "serbian" or "croatian" language. they both speak the same shitfuck.
deedbot: pipp8 voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: Ah, ok, so they ~do~ have a vendors area at Defcon now. But the registration period for defcon 26 closed April 1st.
mod6: Maybe something we can look at next year.
mod6: Was anyone else at DC10, 11 or 12?
mod6: i kinda suspect the same thing.
mod6: anyway, was a thought. I'd like to perhaps continue this line of thinking though ; figuring out ways to help drive some signups.
mircea_popescu: mod6 honestly, if i thought any of this is worth doing i'd do it. from actual experience and as far as i can myself see so far, besides fetlife there's no utility in the fiat bubble-makers.
mircea_popescu: consider this comes from someone who's systematically owned okcupid&every other "dating" "platform", askfm, reddit etc -- every other "social media" platform, who was doing put-flyers-on-posts ~a decade ago~ and just as systematically and so on.
mircea_popescu: and even given this, in order to convert fetlife leads into utility you actually need a dungeon, and the other slavegirls and you know, being the guy whio actually built all that.
mod6: thanks for your input. perhaps, the grass-roots thing is the way to go. ``talk to people''.
mircea_popescu: or if you prefer, douchebag or zx2c4 or kanzure or whatever. the postmodern world consists of a bunch of "directors" (in their own mind) who might maybe consider giving ~you~ a role in their WoWoW thing they've got going -- in their skull.
mircea_popescu: and we're not talking a bunch of little viscontis running around. they're all sorely unqualified to direct breakfast, and this makes exactly 0 impression on their multifolded narcissism. because qualification doesn't even exist, wtf, their qualification is existence, rite.
mircea_popescu: yet from the other hand, as true as the foregoing may well be, the question "and what's one do to, live in the bubble he was born and die there also ?" stands, of course.
mod6: yeah, "mommy said I can do anything"
mircea_popescu: after all, what is
http://trilema.com/2012/la-terra-trema/ if not the story of some guy trying to escape acitrezza. so i have no beef with the idea in principle, and on teh contrary, i do believe erryone should try whatever sounds good. who knows, maybe we're missing something.
mircea_popescu: mod6 practically speaking, the only important difference between the "7 bn people alive!!!" and the "n trillion people dead" is that the corpses don't usually use up resources.
mircea_popescu: it's difficult however to illustrate just how deeply the self-delusions go. i mean, by example : changed4good 21F Little "Now why would i serve you? You havent earned my submission. In fact i dont know you one bit and clearly you dont know me by your comment." LordMPofTMSR "'Earned' your submission ? Get over yourself. The fact that you don't know me is a) your fault of which b) you should be ashamed and c) working to remedy
mircea_popescu: somehow this plain fact is not merely not obvious, but its landing hits like a mallet, "omfg, you seriously mean my own maturation is my own fucking task before the world ?! kids gotta learn how to walk, it's their job, really ?! i thought nobody had any jobs, we just swing in the tide like algae blooms!"
mod6: These are pretty eye-opening. Heheh.
mod6: I don't know shit about BDSM, but I'd gather if one slut wants to submit, she wants to submit. Not have a debate about how someone needs to earn the submission.
mod6: Maybe 'wants' doesn't even figure into it, for that matter.
mod6: Just, sub-slut does as commanded. Or is not a sub-slut.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, as a scientist i have left all biases behind!
mircea_popescu: note the "as an X" device, because indeed nothing's quite as juicy as self0irony
mod6: mircea_popescu: fair enough
mircea_popescu: anyway : a) even when it works, ie, you have all the (expensive! extensive!) toolset to convert seawater uranium into actual rods, b) you're talking ppm at best, and c) lulzbricks come 100:1 if not 1000:1.
mircea_popescu: (but, for having teh blog, i am in a position to derive a little bit of ev out of the overabundant lulzcow, also!)
mircea_popescu: so in short & in conclusion : building a dechumpatron very much open problem, precisely because (unlike chumpatrons!) it proposes to go ~against~ thermodynamics.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:26 Mocky: ok well, thanks. hopefully that doesn't curse me. but also i "have" "bitcoin" in various dark markets that i want to actually own and I don't trust them to send accurate decimal to trinque's walletron
mircea_popescu: and as far as can be discerned, the only chumps in an internal state compatible with de-chumpifying are in the bdsm scene. but i'd ~love~ to hear of others.
mircea_popescu: (however, i do not suspect there are, for the following reason : the bdsm scene consists today of 1% kinksters and 99% girls and women looking for a dechumpatron. ~all the kids who in a normal world'd have been moving things ended up there, seems like, and this is very good indicator that there's not other boxes available)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the foregoing isn't some kind of major discovery -- everyone's solution to civilisation was "gotta use orc's own forces", from the latins to the 1800s folk. cuz obviously.
mircea_popescu: but in
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830163 : consider that inca didn't come up with this, but rather it is entirely supported by, and a product of, the cultists of inutility own' busybox processes. girl says "X is A TACTIC USED BY ABUSERS!!111" without skipping a beat ; and the observation that eating -- also "tactic used by abusers" doesn't ripple her smooth surfaces at any point.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 16:45 asciilifeform: in reich courts, facts are entirely optional, 'mens rea' suffices, 'he thought it was a genuine death ray', 'he bought the sugar from usg agent thinking it was cocaine, guilty of 25 pound of cocaine, 25 to life, next' etc.
mircea_popescu: ^ speaking of, might be interesting exercise for the curious.
mircea_popescu: experimentally ~same situation on google, for trilema, statistically. i suspect not specifically, though (ie, the space between this 13% and that 13% is not random but carefully hand-selected) but im too lazy to check this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one interesting tidbit is that trilema autoresolves titles, so if you remember that, you can always go trilema.com/lets-duckduck and it'll take you home.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but yes, re evident hand-curated blind spots. they're "having a conversation" over there
mircea_popescu: i'm still digesting this nonsense whereby some fucktard from missouri thinks saying the right words in the big city will turn his passion for inserting corn cobbs / other farm-bound implements into some kind of new life.
mircea_popescu: if all you wanted to do was shove the cobs up your butthole... why even leave missouri ?!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 20:33 asciilifeform: i was recently reading about 'oilite', a type of self-lubricating bronze, that is still made in usa. the factory where it was originally produced, owned by chrysler corp., lived in the '30s. today it is a ruin, rats live in it. oilite is still made, in usa, but for how long - i have nfi, at some point it will become difficult to find people who will follow the ritual (yes, to savages, industry is ritual) and it will sail off to china
mircea_popescu: for instance. but widely applicable. for instance -- did you know gekko ~skin~ is actually bactericidal ? most gram-negatives fail to survive the contact.
mircea_popescu: the cause is related to that "On the basis of the model, each linseed oil molecule appears to displace 90 water molecules and occupy 6 hydrogen bonding sites in the wood."
mircea_popescu: there's three futures (plain future, perfect future, future-in-the-past) and a counterfactual tense (techniucally, also a future).
mircea_popescu: conjunctive ("eu sa fac") vs putative ("eu as face") and perfect putative (eu as fi facut).
mircea_popescu: approximately, "i'd be doing"/"i should be doing" vs "i would/could/might/etc be doing" vs "i w/c/m/etc have done".
mircea_popescu: and eys the conjunctive has a perfect (eu sa fi facut)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, leaving these nonpredicative perfects aside : imperfect (eu faceam) ; composed perfect (eu am facut) ; pluperfect (eu facusem) and simple perfect (eu facui)
diana_coman: known best from "facui si dresei, cu nimic nu m-alesei" :P
mircea_popescu: [approximately, i went into my girlfriend's hay warehouse and fried her some stu]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can reliably distinguish philologist from plain romanian, as the latter's not going to be able to produce the simple perfect form for the "a coace" verb.\
mircea_popescu: because yes, romanian may have 4 past perfects + a bunch of past conjunctives, putatives, supines and whatnot. and they're even intensionally distinct. but this dun mean most speakers can even notice the distinctions.
mircea_popescu: this because it's very strictly phonetically confined, so it works well for the continuation of classical poetry. because yes, ro has its own, unknwon, carmina buranas.
mircea_popescu: one of the principal drivers of my cultural suspicion of the yellow folk.
trinque: asciilifeform: don't they do number with "particles" ?
trinque: I can kinda squint and see stems and inflection in that
trinque: what is it, "wo" is I, "wo men" is we. "wo men de" is our.
trinque: if they had a proper writing system, might be womende by now
trinque: depends on whether that barrier is keeping the right folks ~illiterate
ben_vulpes:
http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-27#388828 << i do not think that this line of business is worth pursuing further, and will tender my resignation for mismanagement if folks want it for the wasted time/effort. sifting the midden pile of the internet for people who worry about five dollars a month for hosting flies in the face of everything i've learned in #trilema about coming anywhere near the
☟︎ mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-27 02:56 ben_vulpes: during the day: sweat! during the night: sweat! but also stare at the ceiling
ben_vulpes: public. i have high hopes that the rockchip will be a thing people even want, but i'm clearly out of my depth on marketing to the great wide web.
mircea_popescu: teh republic needs a whole bunch of managers, as it turns out.
ben_vulpes: i am unable to distinguish advertising scamolade from the genuine article. i've reached out to an altcoin forum about advertising directly, and to some folks who pump ICOs to see about getting into their designers hosting pipelines, all to zero avail. not to mention that just looking at their existing websites makes me nauseous.
ben_vulpes: i suspect that the tidal wave of people who only understand poking buttons has drowned out the tiny sample of people who even know how to work ftp, and are being 'served' (as the main course, naturally) by facebook/wix etc
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, an organized article about all this that can be linked later for its datapoints would certainly not be a waste, neh ?
mircea_popescu: your 2014 or what was it v piece still regularly linked today.
mircea_popescu: sometimes it feels like forever ; then one checks and it's been 1mn unixtimes or so.
mircea_popescu: i guess. if it's natural it's also permanent or how it went.