mircea_popescu: "Pixar does NOT use Apple computers to make 3D for their movies (modeling, animation, render, shaders, etc.). They use Linux, just like everyone else in the industry. Now they might use a Mac to paint a background or texture something but all feature animation is done in Linux (Disney, Dreamworks, Sony Animation, Blue Sky, etc. etc.). That's also true for SFX shops like ILM, Weta, Sony Imageworks, DD, etc. etc. All Lin
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mircea_popescu: why would someone use something other than the car to go shop ? "oh, this is for work!!1"
mircea_popescu: anyone can get the mafia to embed an engineer if they have money.
mircea_popescu: your ideas of competition come from this world with scarce work and plenty of high skilled folk to do it. this is not the case.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's an endless mountaineous heap of work, and the last time i talked to someone even halfway competent was last week.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 00:06:08; mircea_popescu: your ideas of competition come from this world with scarce work and plenty of high skilled folk to do it. this is not the case.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne folk with beards all look the same to you don't they
williamdunne: In my defence though, two bitcoiners who look pretty similar
mircea_popescu: doesn't look like him to me, but hey. danielpbarron is it or ain't it ?
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williamdunne: Putting her money where her mouth is supposedly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude. it's "go do something useful". after interval, person has done something useful.
mircea_popescu: really very low bar, in any other time than the present
mircea_popescu: and yet <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: as far as these folks are concerned, gentoo may as well be a particle accelerator at dubna, ru
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oris it just the thing chicklets derping on facebook and calling themselves designers favour ? << Largely this. I know a person who "Does Video" for a and I am not making this up: "Storytelling Consultancy" or at least he did. Not sure atm what that douche is doing.
mircea_popescu: there's more pixels needing laying down than there are people who can do it. period.
mircea_popescu: that's the ACTUAL bargaining chip of the sv firms : if you ACTUALLY want us to pay market rate, market rate's infinity and we're paying it. get printing.
mircea_popescu: for pay to work as you expect there's a strict requirement that jobs < people.
mircea_popescu: o, wait, "actual money" = "fixed percent of all the money that'sd ever going to exist" ?
mircea_popescu: tyvm. but... what fixed percent of all the money that's ever going to exist is microsoft worth ?
mircea_popescu is too old to fall for "progress" and "future" tricks. i'm not paying for that.
mircea_popescu: forget your own opinion, the thing trades on exchanges, worth what, 100bn ?
mircea_popescu: yes, i would trade 10 btc for 100bn "worth" of engineering work.
mircea_popescu: you're the one forcing me to use nonsensical terms to humor you
mircea_popescu: it's simple, really : when jobs < people, you can pay. when jobs > people, you gotta let em volunteer. no other way.
mircea_popescu: yes, you gotta distribute resources back out somehow, but it can only be via equity.
mircea_popescu: fnance is what it is, its own kind of thermodynamics, off of which it is actually derived.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem exists because it's global. not because "in this tiny island of rust beltlandia so and so rats".
mircea_popescu: this is the first seriouys problem we ran into, ever since this globalization paradigm.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 00:34:08; mircea_popescu: you don't get to say what you'd like it to be like.
mircea_popescu: this scenario only plays out in your own mind (admittedly poisoned by a lot of interaction with idiots). in reality it's like this : there are more jobs than people. the system where you pay people a salary only works when there are more people than jobs. when there are more jobs than people you essentially create a large excavator of sense on a large mountain of problems, and divy up the results somehow. such as they
mircea_popescu: and yes this means people working can end up not making anything. it does. necessarily.
mircea_popescu: in theory it works out to better pay and better working coinditions than the alternative, but
mircea_popescu: generally when people compare the present with the option they imagine, they take selected bits of each.
mircea_popescu: there's no option here, however. no way will be devised where the systematically wrong model can be employed. it's, essentially, what a scam is : the proposition that we've temporarily turned thermodynamics off.
mircea_popescu: i am not sure this simplification works as you intend it to.
mircea_popescu: you're cutting off T on one side with dT on the other side.
mircea_popescu: this while true, makes the problems not an iota smaller.
mircea_popescu: if your house is fulla shit, the realisation that an idiot shat your floor does not clean it any.
mircea_popescu: arguably intellectual problems, such as software, are easier to clean for being virtual rather than physically embodied
mircea_popescu: anyway. lawyering is only "different" because of your perception. most lawyers die in debt, still not having paid their college costs
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and that's not even counting for the currently alive set.
mircea_popescu: generally, the prospect of being a lawyer is strictly speaking dimmer than the prospect of being a programmer.
mircea_popescu: there's no lawyer that walks away with a bn from a successful buyout.
mircea_popescu: as far as they are concerned, getting an even bummer deal than code monkeys. plus they have the family dynasties stuff to make it more painful.
mircea_popescu: "my grandfather was a senator, and my father made a billion, and i'd better do another line of cock^H^Hke before i think about this too muc"
williamdunne: The best off lawyer I know, made very little of his money directly from being a lawyer
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mircea_popescu: there are two overlapping misguiding things here. one is, the tournament market. you wouldn't imagine singer/songwriters are better off than you because britney spears, would you ? nor would you imagine "pundits are rich" because oprah, or limbaugh or whatever.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the other one is that, the government. yes, fucktards like shrem end up selling the house to pay "the lawyer".
mircea_popescu: the same would have been true if they were fighting cancer as is true when they are fighting the usg.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, THE DOCTOR isn't seeing jack of all that.
mircea_popescu: might as well say "you programmers don't need any money anyway, look at what google revenue is!"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> once you discover the hidden variable - that most of the creatures masquerading as 'people' are actually apes - you are left without one side of the equation << Ah, the Roof problem. Rook shot up nine respectable civilized folk. If he really cared to address his precieved problem his target ought to have been a crack house.
mircea_popescu: and so here is the (designed, by the way! deliberately, by the way!) impasse before the free world : one percent of the money spent on $profession actually goes to ~the individual members of $profession~, and then of that, 99% goes to the display monkeys, who are five people, and the remainder however many split the remainder 1%, which generally means they pay to participate.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: then coders (unlike doctors! or lawyers! and the lawyers would JUMP at the chance, if it were somehow feasible - but so far it's only feasible in banking and finance, mostly) get the option to work for equity, but
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mircea_popescu: and with math, too : if social expenditure for field is one trillion, and the headcount employed is one million, that means one million get to divy up a hundred million, thus making a whooping 100 a head. that's not even the fabled dollar a day.
mircea_popescu: and yes, the trillion spent means the govt got to offset 990 billion off another whatever indescript entry in its ledger,
mircea_popescu: and yes the trillion spent also means five people got two billion a pop give or take to be paraded across the country with a large jam tomorrow sign affixed.
mircea_popescu: not like they can spend two billion to buy a hundred thousand aks and ammo for them and shoot the whole charade into the ground
mircea_popescu: because their 2bn is conditionally theirs on the understanding not that it won't get used "for terrorism",
mircea_popescu: just as long as it's a meaningless act, carefully sterilized, pointless and ineffectual.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, i'll listen sympathetically to any programmer that can't feed himself ; and i'll be amused at any programmer that "but oprah!". the field's over there, and it takes all comers. don't mind the manure.
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assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 00:52:54; mircea_popescu: and so here is the (designed, by the way! deliberately, by the way!) impasse before the free world : one percent of the money spent on $profession actually goes to ~the individual members of $profession~, and then of that, 99% goes to the display monkeys, who are five people, and the remainder however many split the remainder 1%, which generally means they pay to participate.
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assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 00:44:04; mircea_popescu: anyway. lawyering is only "different" because of your perception. most lawyers die in debt, still not having paid their college costs
BingoBoingo: Lawyers who can reliably contain problems don't const $maxint. The only lawyers who charge $maxint aren't charging for their lawyering, but marketing. Hence Ulbricht hiring the maliciously incompetent Dratel snake.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dratel from what I understands works until open ended fundraiser is exhausted.
BingoBoingo: Pure chumpatron to drain actual Ulbricht supporters of resources
mircea_popescu: apparently they'd have to bake a whole new silicone process.
mircea_popescu: and i wouldn't give 50k to random unknown schmuck without a wot for the obvious reasons, regardless what they can or could do.
mircea_popescu: anyway. people who actually magic away problems, in any field, name their own terms.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the dratel example is particularly on point. what that man did was the equivalent of a bitdaytrade "platform".
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps not painfully obvious to you on account of some version of the memory hole effect, but it can not be readily put into code, the degree of braindamage. perhaps a field full of gotos with no other instructions
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "this program does nothing" "yes, but it takes some time - like any other program!"
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Pure chumpatron to drain actual Ulbricht supporters of resources << and the fact that kid would sign off on this - pretty disgraceful.
mircea_popescu: but THEY know what they're doing. they are doing exactly tyhis : make the chumps helpless.
mircea_popescu: "what's the point of donating - prolly go straight to a lawyer snake anyway"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform me too. the problem is - this was one of the more successful ones.
BingoBoingo: This is why for my still to be litigated misdemeanor charge attorney is still working off of his flat $150 pre-trial fee.
mircea_popescu: oleander blosom doesn't run outof your mouth, plant itself back on tree.
mircea_popescu: oleander blosom sees to it that's the last time YOU're running anywhere.
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mircea_popescu: but broadly, "if the rule of law didn't suck, or if it did and nobody'd bother showing it - what then ?"
mircea_popescu: anyway. see the married men article. they who wish to be exonrated left,long ago. those who stay ALREADY MADE the choice to max damage.
mircea_popescu: turning back on one';s choices later is not another's problem. i am not held to explain why the guy that changed his mind failed both ways.
mircea_popescu: nobody said you get to make all the choices you might wish to.
mircea_popescu: and yes, it's a choice even if you didn't get to make it.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the goal here is to do maximal damage to the system. << This. On my misdemeanor charge which it was suggest I settle organizational incompetence on the part of the police and prosecution seems to be scuttling whatever case they may or may not have had. Because people normally plea evidence was never collected or lost according to intel. Alleged "victim" is reportedly now a joke subject to taunts from coworkers wit
BingoBoingo: h any ability he might have had to use "powers of office" effectively castrated.
mircea_popescu: Because people normally plea evidence was never collected or lost according to intel << lmao.
BingoBoingo: Seriously people were like "It's a misdemeanor don't fight it." I'm like "It's a misdemeanor and I'm white. They prolly don't anticipate having to prosecute it"
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 01:46:57; mircea_popescu: anyway. people who actually magic away problems, in any field, name their own terms.
mircea_popescu: people naming their own terms were in there - provided, of course, they got to magic away problems.
mircea_popescu: this is strictly different from "jewish princesses imagining themselves special in own mind"
mircea_popescu: do i need to quote verse and chapter to you ? because if i do you're eating crow.
mircea_popescu: pick one, they all have it, as part of being credible.
mircea_popescu: so we're switching "fiction as written by a respected source" to "fiction as alf feels like recounting it for the purpose of current convo" ?
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BingoBoingo: Maybe this is the wrong epoch's fiction being contrasted. Maybe 'Uncle Tom' and 'Gus' the christmas ornament would cover a larger range of outcomes.
BingoBoingo: Gus the Christmas ornament of course being one of the antagonists in the original blockbuster film
mircea_popescu: i dunno that primary sources escape the suetonius objhection.
BingoBoingo: From an era before Whitey invented suburbia to concede sexual prowess to the african american
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 00:07:18; mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no value in software. let him steal.
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mircea_popescu: <waylow> I'm on mac so I couldn't figure out how to install the game
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> oh macs. yeah that's been a pain. a binary for it is still being worked on, but it's slow going. if you have an ubuntu anywhere, from what i hear it's pretty smooth. also windows binaries work.
mircea_popescu: <waylow> I do - but it's been a while since I've run linux. no windows for me
decimation: in theory bsd and mac should be similar
decimation: in theory you could make an X11 version if it already works on X
BingoBoingo: It's something of a pity that Mac survived and Amiga died
BingoBoingo: <decimation> in theory bsd and mac should be similar << BSD isn't all that similar to other BSD
mircea_popescu: the difference is minute. amiga, just as bad assholes.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 01:48:21; mircea_popescu: this is perhaps not painfully obvious to you on account of some version of the memory hole effect, but it can not be readily put into code, the degree of braindamage. perhaps a field full of gotos with no other instructions
mircea_popescu: there's in fact a heap of identical assholes that never made it, which nobody seemsd to ever know about.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the difference is minute. amiga, just as bad assholes. << Sure. The biggest difference was Amiga paid more for parts on each box so they could get the niche live video production market. All the assholes, reamed on their chosen niches
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 02:10:44; BingoBoingo: From an era before Whitey invented suburbia to concede sexual prowess to the african american
mircea_popescu: we find the following things suspicious : romania, paywalls, and bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Your problem is you assume a monolithic whitey
BingoBoingo: Because goddammit muh culture is bein oppressed
decimation: generally 'whitey' in this case are old-fashioned anglican wasps
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only when sane pale folk say whitey. When SJW's and the lower class blacks say whitey they mean poor whites.
BingoBoingo: Mostly poor rural whites, southern optional.
decimation: and those poor whites were largely the targets of black immigration to cities
decimation: having a large block of voting catholic irish - had to be crushed
BingoBoingo: Liberal palefolk assume whitey mean Bushes, Clintons, and Rothschilds. Radical whites and non-graduating blacks assume whitey is trailer trash.
trinque: BingoBoingo | It's something of a pity that Mac survived and Amiga died << heard "microkernel wank" a couple times round here, but I was a huge BeOS fan back in the day
trinque: ultra-stable, high performance, was miles ahead of the game re: graphics in its time
BingoBoingo: trinque: BeBox was the next gen victim of Mac survival
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 02:27:05; mircea_popescu: there's in fact a heap of identical assholes that never made it, which nobody seemsd to ever know about.
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BingoBoingo: In Motorola era Amiga crushed. In PPC era BeBox crushed
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> cbm shipped ~schematics~ with machines. apple sold... yes, a key, with which the 'annointed' could open the b&w mac chassis << You mean apple provided a target for the drill
decimation: note that 'next' is basically modern osx
decimation: c64 was probably better in its day anyway
mircea_popescu: they stand in my mind because when i first heard of apple i thought "hey... this is like... amiga ?"
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mircea_popescu: no, im comparing the amiga i knew (early 90s) to the apple i saw (late 90s onwards)
mircea_popescu: and while i agree with you re the distinction, i believe it's without a difference.
BingoBoingo: Apple II's apple's swan song the IIGS was a great machine
mircea_popescu: apple managed to somehow remain THE SAME assholes in spite of changing everything around jobs
punkman vaguely recalls some amazing Amiga games
decimation: asciilifeform: c64 was cheaper than apple ii as i recall
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: c64 was cheaper than apple ii as i recall << c64 was easily cheaply stamped product, Amiga was not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how documented it was, not caring for such thing at that age. i know however that the amiga guy never made anything like a game.
BingoBoingo has never found a working Apple IIGS at an acceptable price. Played with one for a bit Phree then...
assbot: An Interview With Chuck Peddle - Charismatic Chipmaking Coryphaeus | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... (
http://bit.ly/1NcPP1U )
BingoBoingo: decimation: And warm climate agricultual labor was the selling point of involuntary immigration of Africans, but only because Mestizos were too expensive at the time.
decimation: yeah the other problem was jack tramiel left
decimation: because the commodore board was full of retards apparently
mircea_popescu: in other news : apparently blender has this official "marketplace" thing, which lists various assets for sale. so I go for a 16 bucks buy, on the theory that let's check it out. coinbase, of course. my payment is uncredited. they have a support email for just this case, i write to them... my email is rejected.
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mircea_popescu: apparently I'm the shady one for not using paypal and being romanian.
mircea_popescu: running off with payments and then blocking emails is a perfectly legit strategy.
mircea_popescu: "weird bad, stupid good! for weird is weird and stupid smells like the home stable!11"
decimation: ^ note that thier perception of what is 'weird' is purely what usg smiles upon
trinque: it occurs to me that the fraud dept of paypal may look very much like some soviet bureau's office did
trinque: but we're free! because anyone can have their own dismal bureaucracy
trinque: they probably have a script they go by which includes something like "third world" on it
mircea_popescu: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<support@cgcookiemarkets.com>:
mircea_popescu: 554 5.7.1 ACL dns_rbl; Client host [188.68.240.159] blocked using
mircea_popescu: sa-ip4tset.blagr.emailsrvr.com=127.26.0.2 Cloudmark CSI. Please visit
mircea_popescu: the odds of me "visiting" some random agent in the "danegeld to email" scamring ? zilch.
mircea_popescu: interesting how the twerps keep changing name, too. i don't seem to recall this particular extortionist.
decimation: "The disagreement between Tramiel and Gould was so bitter that, after Tramiel's departure, the Commodore magazine was forbidden to state any of Tramiel's famous sayings or even mention his name."
mircea_popescu: well not exactly. he was more into the "why should i punish google for google fucking up my email ?!?!?! i just want email to work!!11"
decimation: asciilifeform: not auschwitz, Ahlem according to la wik
mircea_popescu: meanwhile irl, Checking 188.68.240.159 against 95 known blacklists... Listed 0 times with 0 timeouts
decimation: "Like many other inmates, his father was reported to have died of typhus in the work camp; however, Tramiel believed he was killed by an injection of gasoline. " nasty
punkman: did the qntra spam affect the other domains too?
decimation: asciilifeform: the electronics industry is still largely in that mode
decimation: what I mean is that intel, for instance, just puts all their chips on the 'let's shrink dies' side
decimation: not that we would know it anyway, because of the nda problem
decimation: note that microsoft has dropped price of windows to $0
decimation: even though it's really worth negative
decimation: the only thing I use winblows for is to record tv shows, because they give free listing service
mircea_popescu: which is the eventual fate of all government agencies.
mircea_popescu: and you will be telling me about how hard it is to escape, right, because moving off windows will require "someone to provide the lost income"
decimation: asciilifeform: you almost need real metal box, because of all the vm detection
decimation: ideally someone would make one with a button to freeze and dump all registers
decimation: I believe it, you could make lots of headway against malware if you can control its hardware environment
mats: would love to read that secret sauce
mats: have dreamed of a usable reversible debugger for many moons
decimation: sure, why bother actually finding malware when people will pay you to pretend
mircea_popescu: o yeah. definitely already here but not evenly distributed.
decimation: asciilifeform: a large reason why this problem exists is becuase you can't sue microsoft for damaging your shit
mats: externalizing costs is how software engineers have jobs
mats: much unlike a civil engineer responsible for faulty bridgeworks...
decimation: even simple programmers know what it would take to write bug-free code
decimation: about 100x less 'production' and 100x more 'thinking'
decimation: in fact, to even seriously consider writing software for which you are liable is to instantly consider dumping the existing c-machine
mats: while i'm on the subject here is there useful reversible debugging you're aware of, asciilifeform?
mats: gdb can kinda do it, but its slow and buggy.
mats: rr is neat but limited... reversedb is limited to linux.
mats: vmware got rid of record/replay after vmware 7
mircea_popescu: mats gdb is what eulora uses if that makes you feel any better.
decimation: asciilifeform: my own experience is that it's way more difficult to paper over shitty hardware in software than to make reliable hardware
mats: i want to easily see the values of all registers (as noted before) including bit flags, fp registers, ...
decimation: mats: you could probably do this with valgrind too
decimation: yeah but it does emulate x86, I gotta think someone has integrated debug
mats: asciilifeform: i don't have anything specific in mind. have been developing my talents in exploitation but i'm kind of stuck as to how to move forward
decimation: but anway if you want to reverse software you need ida
mats: asciilifeform: i should probably sign up to be jr malware analyst or some such thing.
decimation: mats: i think there's a free version of ida for download
mats: i'm from the internets, why settle for free
mats: plenty of working license files floating
mats: or however that works.
decimation: this sounds like the best mechanism for trying to enforce 'copyright' I've heard of
mats: its pretty easy to say 'well i got hacked plz gief another one'
decimation: asciilifeform: I bet you could control valgrind gdb with ida
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe wot is the pill to no longer be angry.
decimation: asciilifeform: once you add a few more zeros to your bank account, probably can't be bothered with a few extra $k
mats: most of the serious dudes i know have non-attributed ida licenses
mats: which can be easily done by setting up a shell corp, or just lie.
decimation: yeah, unless you are sending envelope of cash, he has your checking account
decimation: because it would be like paying for the sun
decimation: or as in, can be exploited if reversing the wrong warez?
decimation: asciilifeform: if you had a winblows computer for malware, it would also be useful to hit another button and display a complete diff between running state and 'known good' state
decimation: and a third button that reverts machine to known state
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decimation: apparently there are people who spend their time trying to find minerals on federal land
decimation: but since nobody is printing crystals, etc they can make $$
decimation: asciilifeform: no mainly through nobody's doing, apparently it is still legal in the us to 'claim' federal land for mining
decimation: land open to this is mainly west of the mississippi
decimation: trying to get usg to care about your 'property rights'
decimation: in fact, it seems to me that claiming the land is counterproductive, just because it shows 'where to dig'
decimation: although it keeps the big obvious infringers off 'your' land
decimation: asciilifeform: depends if thief is using hand ax or 300 ton earthmover
decimation: I saw a real-life gold mine the other day, saw a truck carrying 300 tons of rock
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decimation: the apple model is to try to convert your software into hardware
decimation: asciilifeform: kinda related are the eda tools for designing chips
decimation: well, they are also useless if you don't have $1mil to get 'note from stalin' to make chips
assbot: An Interview with Andreas Olofsson - Adateva's Ampliative Abacus | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... (
http://bit.ly/1Jkakvz )
decimation: tried to sell 'new processor' idea on kickstarter, ended up hating kickstarter
decimation: asciilifeform: no, they use arm for board i/o control
decimation: but they have their own silicon to perform dsp 'MAC' operation
decimation: the guy was a dsp designer and became disillusioned by all the shit that was stuffed into dsp chip
decimation: I think chuck moore's 'colorforth' runs on windows
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decimation: I tried to use it once, confusing as hell and also barely documented
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decimation: yeah the same podcast interviewed vic antonic fellow, who was serb who made his own 8-bit computer back in the 80's
decimation: he said that he felt when writing anything higher-level than assembly, he feels like the code 'isn't his own'
decimation: asciilifeform: the greenarrays site seems to imply they are in production
decimation: who knows how long they will last before they dry up and blow away
decimation: nah, probably because someone who knew what they were doing made it work
decimation: usg 'collects' technology in exactly this way
decimation: mainly through its defense-contract departments like lockheed, etc
trinque: asciilifeform: it just clicked into place that these computers are precisely those field radios, as you pointed out.
decimation: asciilifeform: the parallella guy was complaining that fpgas have 'eaten' the dsp market
decimation: and he did confirm that it costs about $1m to do a chip rev, if you go through the fab's preferred 'agents'
decimation: apparently his eda tools were a special 'deal' for startups, with the understanding that he pays later
decimation: tried to simulate on fpga as best as he could
decimation: apparently they make massive 64-way fgpa boards to simulate a full chip
decimation: and note that doesn't help you completely with silicon, as you have pointed out before
decimation: yeah he said that his business is very difficult because any kind of processing that he could do with his chip - can be done with a specialized asic
decimation: so for any kind of an open standard - it is impossible for 'generic' solution to beat specialized asic
decimation: thus, closed-turd asic eats everything
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decimation: it's the hardware equivilant for the software phenomenon - first turd to market wins
decimation: hardware in general makes so little money it's a wonder anyone even bothers
decimation: it becomes a vanity project for those who can print money
decimation: yeah and the 'die shrink' has only made things worse
decimation: yeah, it is a real problem for society when you literally need 10's to 100's of $bil to even try to 'make new ideas'
decimation: so everyone derps in playground that can be had for $1k
decimation: asciilifeform: nearly all the 'evolution' in modern cpus can be considered to be reincarnating things ibm did in the 60's
decimation: asciilifeform: there's a similar effect in the space industry now adays
decimation: oneweb is trying to make mega-constellation of leo sats for 'free internets fer all!'
decimation: viasat guy is pointing out that everyone who has tried - failed
assbot: Qualcomm teams with Branson on OneWeb satellite venture as SpaceX CEO pursues rival constellation - FierceWirelessTech ... (
http://bit.ly/1Jkc8EI )
decimation: "An 840-satellite constellation named Teledesic went bust in 2002 before its first launch, even with the backing of Bill Gates, cell phone tycoon Craig McCaw and Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal."
decimation: which I think is now actually owned by usg
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decimation: but you don't want to be outside leo either, because of the radiation
decimation: like our recent angry sunspot has demonstrated
decimation: it's mostly broken, but sometimes the batteries unshort and you can get hemisephric comms
decimation: also I think both 'voyager' probes are still functional
decimation: although nearly useless because of the decay in their radiothermal units
decimation: yeah it's sop to overdesign satellites and expect failure
decimation: which is why it's amusing that the current generation thinks that launching smartphones into space is a great idea
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decimation: yes, in branson's case it was performing 'regulatory arbitrage' on euro airline regulations
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decimation: I did a small sample of this, but not the whole deal
decimation: the only solution I can think of is to spoon feed nodes in a 'known good' order
phf: asciilifeform: unfortunately not, parsing the log files
decimation: phf: I made a patch to note from which node each block comes
decimation: it's amusing to watch the thing jump around
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's certainly not the most pressing problem with bitcoind
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phf: asciilifeform: i ran into log rollover, and had to restart syncing process from scratch. yet another "convenience" anti feature
decimation: asciilifeform: in the future, it would be useful to set the 'buffer size' for incoming txns in the conf file
Vexual: cunt runs a tight ship
decimation: ah I see, was looking at earlier patch
decimation: asciilifeform: so does the tx pool consist strictly of those txns which originate from previous block only?
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 00:42:31; asciilifeform: mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow'
decimation: so when new block is found, and the new block only contains a subset of the existing tx pool
decimation: well, imma node, I hear txns, they all come from previous blocks
decimation: a new block is found, some of the txns in memory are now contained in the new block
decimation: if you failed to make it in a block, your txn doesn't exist, resend
decimation: thus, node may flush txn at its pleasure
decimation: or by setting a conf flag for 'how long does txn sit'
decimation: or a conf flag for sorting txns by value for a miner
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decimation: as in, why does non-miner node even bother with txns?
decimation: asciilifeform: one can imagine an entire new 'metaprotocol' for sufficiently pleasing a miner to accept your txn
decimation: but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee'
☟︎ decimation: this will become explict at some point anyway
decimation: I suppose they can find through out-of-band comms with miner or by 'did it make it into block'
decimation: at any rate, making the reference client attractive to miners would be wise
decimation: knows more about how to pile asics than how to program bitcoind
☟︎ decimation: these skills are not the same 'ting' as taleb wrote
decimation: asciilifeform: why would ulbricht keep detailed records of his incriminating evidence on his laptop?
☟︎ decimation: in retrospect, using 'tor' was a giveaway
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, for instance, sr also ran escrow service
decimation: asciilifeform: actually what amazes me more is that kim-jung-il doesn't run his own 'silk road'
☟︎ punkman: there's like 3 dozen of them
decimation: yeah, but dpr has already shown how to annoy usg
decimation: of course the opm hack did about 1000x more damage to usg
decimation: if only to make it obvious that usg employees can't trust usg to keep them safe
funkenstein_: i'm not in the know, but always assumed various usg hat wearing agencies mostly competed with other usg hat wearing agencies
decimation: yeah he is just the crazy guy who yells at people until he is placated with rice
decimation: yeah, I think yarvin's 'state vs dod' proxy wars make a fair bit of sense
decimation: asciilifeform: are you still feeding gpg keys into it?
decimation: no, actually it was originall designed to be wedged into a usg radar system
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decimation: "Hipp was designing software used aboard guided missile destroyers, which were originally based on HP-UX with an IBM Informix database back-end. The design goals of SQLite were to allow the program to be operated without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator."
decimation: ^ guy had to wedge relational database into ancient unix shit
decimation: without db admin, or thinking person involved
decimation: yeah he also invested in that 'space tourism' loltron
mircea_popescu: this "without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator." reads to me like "car that can be used without breaks"
decimation: yeah, point of db admin is to actually think about how to arrange data
mircea_popescu: decimation isn't he the original "how to make a small fortune ? start with a big one" ?
mircea_popescu: if they stacked shit that high he could have a twin brother, go whiterafting with the bitcoin godfather pair.
mircea_popescu: i don't get something. what does having more satellites help ? you still have the same problems of intsat whether there's ten or ten thousand.
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decimation: apparently his airline is still going to shit
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:12:48; asciilifeform: no one in natoreich has so much as smelled $bil except by mercy of the crown.
mircea_popescu: and then mom asked "in what currency" and i said "doesn't matter"
decimation: mircea_popescu: 'more satellites' is needed because leo
decimation: low earth satellites can only 'see' a small fraction of the earth
decimation: the reason why you want leo is: latency
mircea_popescu: decimation ok, sure. but all you need is one up. having to up helps maybe some. 200 ? marginal utility decays pretty fast
decimation: speed of light delay from earth to geo and back is intolerable
decimation: leo is only visible for a few minutes at a time
decimation: so you a continuous parade to maintain coverage yes
mircea_popescu: basically, if you're gonna do leo telecoms it's either 1k or go home
decimation: and leo is the only answer to the latency issue
decimation: and each satellite needs to maintain its orbit, etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would suspect they'd have a minimal sail or something
mircea_popescu: just give them a little assymetry allow them some limited self-righting
decimation: no they have magnets to orient themselves with earth's magnetic field
decimation: but this isn't a simple matter either, obviously
mircea_popescu: anyway, nioce contract to have. basically, it's a "build this many launchers and fire them continuously forever"
decimation: asciilifeform: aye, that's why you also need to align
decimation: yeah the oneweb thing is about an order of magnitude bigger at trying to do something that has failed every time it has been tried
decimation: the 'why not' is the massive acceleration you have to give with reasonable sized guns
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's reasonable sized ? could be a mile long for all it matters.
decimation: for one thing you would need a massive capacitor bank
mircea_popescu: the rail gun is the necessary next step after the cern
mircea_popescu: but the rail gun is more substantial than most shit getting funded.
decimation: it's probably more realistic to launch small chemical rockets factory-style
mircea_popescu: we want 1k+ launch events each day, and we want a total of 100 tons shipped upstairs a day.
decimation: asciilifeform: or the 'drop nukes behind steel shell' method
decimation:
http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/bent_flyvbjerg.html > re: megaprojects: " Guest: No, it's actually worse than that. Nine out of ten have costs that are underestimated. Nine out of 10 have benefits that are overestimated, and 9 out of 10 have schedules that are underestimated. So, when you combine those, it's actually a very small fraction of projects that both are done to budgets, to schedule, and deliver the promised benefit
mircea_popescu: what's the project that was on time on budget and delivered ?
decimation: well, for megaprojects ( > $1 bils) the answer is almost none
decimation: he points out that the new guggenheim museum in bilbao spain delievered
decimation: the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return."
☟︎ decimation: "That means that we don't have any other buildings. It's equivalent to taking Frank Gehry, who is considered the world's most famous architect by now and who is considered to be in the same league as Jørn Utzon regarding doing magic aesthetics and magic buildings. ... That's the cost of the Sydney Opera House. It was not a success; it was a huge failure, in those terms. "
mircea_popescu: afaik the entire thing';s rubbishj, and if you're going to hire fortune tellers, always hire the cheapest.
decimation: what if one fortune teller is amazingly accurate?
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:36:15; asciilifeform: i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge
mircea_popescu: what, it keeps the muslims orderly in line to raping the spanish hos v 2.0 ?
mircea_popescu: im unconvinced this is stotting. i don't dispute it could be called that, but then again anything could.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the actual behaviour works in nature. and has its own context. this lacks both those factors.
decimation: and of course, in retrospect everything looks like a good deal: "You should ask the people who actually got to pay for the projects and got to pay the extra sums, whether they are happy about it. Of course, later generations are happy about a project, because they get it for free ride. "
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:39:01; decimation: but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee'
decimation: seems like they are 'commanders of capital' in the classic robber-baron sense
decimation: what about the pile of asics they gotta buy and feed?
decimation: as the asic investment gets more expensive, it becomes more centralized and oliogopical
decimation: what's going to prevent the situation where only two or three miners remain
decimation: and if you want to put a txn on the block, gotta meet their terms
mircea_popescu: if we know this is the case, the blocks change to briock their mining gear.
mircea_popescu: "know about it" means something more from physics. "unobservable phenomena are spiritism not physics"
mircea_popescu: why, they're cute. everyone watches their "journals" like kitten pics.
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mircea_popescu: da fuckiung world we live in. viasat has been doing satellites forever. google is a newcomer in the field. spacex is a newcomer in general. yet the viasat ceo has to explain why he, the expert, is doing what he's doing. the newb schmucks aren't expected to explain themselves.
decimation: yeah, it sounds like the turkish government
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me just point out that the theory of "unavoidable monopoly" has issues. for instance, cabs in buenos aires are still un=united.
mircea_popescu: the reason the us has two parties may have more to do with the indolent stolidity of the usians minds than any rule of nature.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 03:55:27; asciilifeform: this is why i believe that the discovery of integrated circuit was a serious 'degutenbergization' from which we have not even begun to recover.
decimation: the 'two parties' thing kinda became a convenient foil to distract the masses while the bureaucracy runs things
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 03:49:51; asciilifeform: because there is no way to effectively amortize the astronomical costs without running a scam of one kind or another.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alchemy was not fundamentally the same thing for chinese and italians.
decimation: yeah, but which alchemy turned lead to gold?
mircea_popescu: what is sailing ? and why has the same tech done different things for the dutch, the english, the spanish, and the latins ?
mircea_popescu: but in the same way : philosopher's stone bestows wishes
decimation: perhaps not, but nobody makes observable ics yet
decimation: I would agree that if we have a few decades with roughly stable ic fab tech, it's likely that 'growth' will come from genuine design differences
decimation: but you still need $bil to make the thing go
decimation: microshit seems to be capitulating to some degree
mircea_popescu: that was the one pacifier of a thousand quashed hopes.
decimation: it might deliever another cycle or two
mircea_popescu: weren't you arguing that it hasn't stopped when i first proposed this ?
decimation: intel seems to have legitimate tech to go down another halving or so
decimation: note that they are admitting they can't make more than 2 cores without yield issues
mircea_popescu: what's the outlook on what they can make if usg dole dries up ?
mircea_popescu is kinda curious how budget for next year looks, on that score. does "law enforcement" get triple budget and everything else trims or not.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it might all be moot if usg's interest rate ticks up
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:43:54; decimation: because lazy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and they'll be 60% privateer on a tripled budget and it still won't be enough
mircea_popescu: under the very real pressure of a million tiny joe stacks
decimation: might as well go to the roman 'decentralized' system
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:49:07; decimation: asciilifeform: actually what amazes me more is that kim-jung-il doesn't run his own 'silk road'
decimation: well, if you take the megaprojects guy's arguments at face value, the average megaproject has a 99% chance of failure
decimation: and considering that every usg agency is effectively a megaproject, usg operates on maybe 1% of its outlays
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my words were "the very real pressure of a million tiny joe stacks"
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decimation: my point being that 'services delivered' by usg are completely unrelated to the money spent
decimation: asciilifeform: there's a similar story with the recently-released files on the metro 'smoke incident'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point of the pressure is not the damage. merely, civilians that dun like da police.
mircea_popescu: and if i recall you protested that joe stack did not do any damage at all, let alone disproportionate
mircea_popescu: you really gotta pick some sort of an orthodoxy, you're making my head spin. which is it
mircea_popescu: alf can't commit. "well, depends. in this circumstance, it is, in that it isn't, whadda ya want from me! peter pan over here, always young an' happy!"
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm having the world's worst strawberries. they are the size of plums, quite red except the part under the leaf is plain white... what the fuck is with this world.
punkman: seems plausible that orc with knife cost them more than joe
mircea_popescu: crunchy and everything. oh, the strawberries of mine youth...
assbot: What Metro train operator heard in tunnel: ‘Yelling, screaming, kicking and banging’ - The Washington Post ... (
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mircea_popescu: punkman i can readily see asciilifeform argue that moreover joe stack was part of an obscure bezzlatron to provide office refurbishment at a profit. why not rite.
punkman: they are both in debt already
decimation: the number of "vale're whites" who work for usg far outweighs the number of joe stacks
punkman: my strawberries have a bit of white there too, but this batch is good, smells/tastes like strawberry rather than water balloon
mircea_popescu: i just don't recall ever seeing this, white on a strawberry, as a kid. that's more of a framboise thing
trinque: asciilifeform: we've got 'em outside the front door
trinque: way smaller than these giant watery things, but very tasty
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decimation: vexual: why do you aussies always adopt the most fascist usg fantasies?
mircea_popescu: decimation anyway, why the driver indictment ? seems he wasn't allowed to back out
decimation: no I'm indicting the station controller
decimation: who after-the-fact claimed that she told him to back out
decimation: "Incredibly, the second train?s driver, Connie Conner, proceeded into L?Enfant Plaza even after she heard her counterpart in the train a few hundred feet ahead asking for clearance to reverse course and return to the station. A controller says she twice ordered Ms. Conner to stop her train short of the station; Ms. Conner denies it."
decimation: "In a separate debriefing, however, ROCC controller Vale?re White contradicted Conner, saying that she did give that order. ?I go, to 510: ?510, stop your train.? I said it to her twice.?"
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decimation: but mainly your government seems to want to control the internet
decimation: why would changing australia into a republic change anything important?
decimation: I heard that marrying a white girl is the same as selling an abo gasoline
mircea_popescu: wut, bushwhacker humour not appreciated in the west end ?! WHO KNEW!!!
cazalla: decimation, i should do a voice over youtube video for that meme
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fourhunderdtypes: " of the crooked timber of humanity no correct thing was ever made. " < this mustbe in my ballet
assbot: High court rules against raisin board in dispute over setting aside crops to prop up prices - LA Times ... (
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cazalla: eatinstrawberry, ya having a few drinks there vexual?
cazalla: while eating muh chicken wings for lunch, i was tempted to go and get some rum but i fell asleep instead.. change of heart once i woke up
mircea_popescu: anbd in today's installment we find that online ad networks are positively fucking insane. the kabuki seems to be, "we serve up some html heavy pages of random nouns and you sign up".
cazalla: nah, still sober (3 1/2 weeks)
mircea_popescu: let aloine the "do you motherfuckers take bitcoin" point, no specs are offered whatsoever. i can't see what fucking sites they run
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i care to deal with such idiots ? if they had the golden goose, why would i ? they don';t know enough about selling to sell me on their own fucking salesmanship already
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, you can take the boy out of romania...
mircea_popescu: button, "advertisers" spawns " Overview Audiences Engagement Performance"
mircea_popescu: they keep changing names every thirty weeks too, like any internet scammer.
cazalla: eatinstrawberry, try and use "romanian" and "paypal" in a legitimate sentence lol
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know i had an account for a decade +, which ~I~ closed ?
cazalla: yeah i know where to buy those too :P
mircea_popescu: how about that. find someone who can buy btc with paypal eh.
cazalla: the amusing part about this, to me anyway, is that /r/bitcoin often promotes bitcoin for use in such countries because of paypal's antics
mircea_popescu: the funny thing to me is that the general internet population assumes nationality = residence.
cazalla: on basis i have never left the shores of australia.. i reluctantly agree
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck the world's coming to an end over here. nobody seems to be doing any work anymore.
mircea_popescu: "Our Solutions Leadership About Us Careers News Contact" who the fuck thought this is how you do it ? it's almost like the soviet butcher, "we're the advertising shop, we don't have publishers. fish is what they don't have in the shop down the street"
☟︎☟︎ cazalla: also amusing they related a bitcoin transaction with fraud when it is really the antithesis to that sorta thing (except humble bundle who rumour is got carded big time for gaming codes using coinbase)
fromphuctor: I'm unable to submit my GPG key online to Phuctor
mircea_popescu: cazalla yes, very amusing how the stupid brain doesn't merely fail to work, but manages to work contrary t osense. you'd think this has to be engineered, but apparently iot comes naturally
fromphuctor: it's an as-of-yet unpublished GPG key because I wanted to make sure it's not easily factorable
fromphuctor: it's quite a large key with a few subkeys, total upload size is around 13K
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor well atm it's working through a lengthy list of keys already extant on the sks servers.
fromphuctor: I figured it was either failing due to the key being too large or due to it not being published anywhere
mircea_popescu: it's most likely failure due to the fact that the apache bit is last in line at the cpu through
fromphuctor: so it's most likely that phuctor's just too loaded right now?
mircea_popescu: it's been too loaded for months as it cuts through millions of 'em
fromphuctor: is there code I can run locally to attempt to factor it and save Phuctor's CPU time?
mircea_popescu: well, an implementation of gcd is what you need, and the P
fromphuctor: gcd as in the math function? does it exist in a binary?
fromphuctor: and do I need P if I don't particularly care about collisions?
mircea_popescu: a) if you're looking for binaries it's unlikely your key is your weak point ; b) gcd is an algorithm, i guess you could call it a function. "greatest common divisor" ; c) P is at the core of this, as it looks for MUTUAL divisors
fromphuctor: I'm mainly trying to determine if I have generated a key with bad entropy leading to bad primes meaning easy factorability
mircea_popescu: you could run a probabilistic test on your own machine for your own modulus. if you have a good rng this usually woirks,
fromphuctor: so Phuctor's main advantage is that it retains the information it has gained by going through all the other keys?
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fromphuctor: so I don't gain much by just running it locally without P
mircea_popescu: well, again, gpg has a probabilistic test for primality baked in.
mircea_popescu: but nothing keeps you from simplytrying to factor your own modulus on your own machine
mircea_popescu: you could not use gcd for this, however, as gcd is an algorithm to find shared factors, not simply factors. you'd have to have something to compare against.
fromphuctor: alright, sleeves need to be rolled up. I'll probably have to dig into ASN.1, extract the public keys, and then try factoring them with a kludged together Python script
fromphuctor: in the meantime, I'll probably script something that sends my file to Phuctor repeatedly until I stop getting an error.
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fromphuctor: thanks for the pointers in the right direction, have a great day
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assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 05:28:25; decimation: the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return."
cazalla: this extends as far back as school excursions to the stupid fucking place
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cazalla: i've never known anyone to go to the sydney opera house for opera, not so sure they even have such things on a reg occurance, more bands, abo dance, international acts sorta thing
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 07:06:30; mircea_popescu: out of bad strawberries.
cazalla: ya should've had kramer take it back
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cazalla: tried growing em one year but possums got to em
cazalla: some japanese variety, forget the name
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shinohai: Good morning, #b-a. If there is a gpg expert here that has a moment to spare I have a question.
assbot: Create large GnuPG Keys Step by Step Part 1 (8192 to 16384 bits long) | Technology is in our lives… ... (
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shinohai: So my question is, is this accurate information?
shinohai: I certainly don't want to do anything that compromises the security f my key intentionally.
davout: shinohai: looks like it would work
davout: except it's probably pointless
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davout: also it's weird that this isn't some sort of constant
davout: if you need to change the code in two places to change a single scalar
mircea_popescu: there is no serious benefit offered by a key larger than 4096. for one thing, we don't currently have any reason to believe even 2k keys can actually be factored.
mircea_popescu: fore the other, at that level it would doubtlessly be cheaper to crack the symmetric cypher involved
davout: that remains to be demonstrated
davout: shinohai: and even if it was more secure you'd still message counter parties with keys that are smaller than yours
mircea_popescu: what, that blowfish or whatever dies before 4096 rsa ?
davout: isn't aes the symmetric cipher used by GPG?
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davout: if the symmetric cipher security isn't based on the intractability of factoring large numbers you can't really tell which one will be broken before the other
shinohai: Thanks guy. So until such a time that RSA 4096 is broken, we're still quite safe.
davout: there's a difference between a key size being considered insecure and an algorithm being broken
davout: if we find an efficient algorithm for factoring large numbers we can also kiss RSA 8192 good bye
mircea_popescu: that's basically the idea here. 4k is large enough, 8k doesn't improve anything.
davout: and hand around one-time pads at conferences
shinohai: Thanks for your help again! I'm akways trying to learn and not make terrible noob mistakes.
davout: shinohai: if you want to improve your crypto skills do the matasano challenges
shinohai: That looks interesting, bookmarked.
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shinohai: Why yes, you *can* have my cup of ramen noodles.
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cazalla: shinohai, did ya know mark dice is A) major clickbait faggot B) goes around offering gold coins and silver bars really cheap but when someone tries to take him up on the offer, he refuses and just edits the footage so as not to include it
shinohai: I did not know that cazalla though he struck me as kind of a douche.
cazalla: he was a protege of alex jones but got all butt hurt and so pretty much copies everything that loon does
shinohai: If he reneged on said offer to me, I'd pribably go to jail for assault.
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Anduck: ok well, anyone know how to verify deedbot.org deeds?
Anduck: there's no documentation about that.
punkman: I think you just gotta SHA256 the deed bundle and use that as the private exponent
Anduck: hmm, seems to work. thanks!
punkman: "Ades Stone talks about the Treasury's decision to put a woman on the $10 bill and why she thinks a woman should be on the $20, too."
punkman: "please show your support by joining our Virtual March to the White House, using the hashtag #DearMrPresident."
punkman: oh they got virtual marches nao
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assbot: A man from Alabama has been charged with sexually harassing a dog as he sought to get revenge on his wife who was giving it too much attention. | BieBuzz ... (
http://bit.ly/1BDxEkX )
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decimation: people have hanged for the letter of the law
decimation: it's a colossal joke that this ruling gets handed down by the king's judges, in the 800th year of the magna carta - which itself was a joke and used as propaganda
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shinohai: "El cafe que te vuelve inteligente" <<< I drink, I get smart
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mircea_popescu: fluffypony i think i had a cup there with mthreat coupla weeks ago. coffee's not bad
mircea_popescu: silver down to 16 huh ? where is that guy came in here was an expert that hadn't been wrong in a decade knew for usre silver's going up ?
gribble: badon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <badon> hi punkman
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mircea_popescu: provided silverware comes into fashion with the chinese middle class or something
mircea_popescu: <shinohai> If he reneged on said offer to me, I'd pribably go to jail for assault. << over a hundred bux ? what are you, bugsy ?
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mircea_popescu: he has a point tho. anyone feel like writing up a documentation page for trinque to stick up there ?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> "Ades Stone talks about the Treasury's decision to put a woman on the $10 bill and why she thinks a woman should be on the $20, too." << "because they've not done anything worth the mention so perhaps if we do they start ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well z80 had a multiplier and iirc shifter
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shinohai: @ mircea_popescu truth and honesty have a far greater value than anything else. Besides,he has a face like Mark Zuckerberg that you just want to punch for no reason.
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shinohai: I see little point in running a VPS to make $20 in Amazon giftcards
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kakobrekla: its what amp+preamp is called, comes with volume control and input selector
kakobrekla: even so, the impedance is not fixed through the freq response
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kakobrekla: that comparison i was making with sennheiser hd 595 and hd 650 was on 10k source+preamp
kakobrekla: yeah, i paid 7$ to get the 'velour' ones
kakobrekla: i dont know how some people dont mind that plastic, its horrible.
kakobrekla: anyway, if you have a chance to at least try them semi properly driven, please do.
shinohai: @ asciilifeform you can build a vaccum amp O.o
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shinohai: I used to play guitar. I never liked solid state amps
kakobrekla: i have a tube powered dac but my main power amp sits at 40kg of solid state
kakobrekla: its a sigma delta , yes not even r2r but theres a rectifier and two output tubes
shinohai wants to learn Russian so badly.
kakobrekla: so thats bout 2k albums at the touch of a button, convenient.
kakobrekla: (as for the remote, you can actually ssh into it)
shinohai: I saw a Samsung tube amp wifi receiver for a home theater once
shinohai: I didn't know anyone still made them.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> most?! < quite sure you dont get specs for arm runnin inside it and so on
kakobrekla: so, secondary network or stick with vinyl
shinohai: Hopefully to find a native speaker, which is impossible in my small city.
shinohai: I have put out ads for 2 years offering to hire a language tutor.
mats: pimsleur, rosetta stone, duolingo. your tutors await.
kakobrekla: hehe the foundation has same name, wai not versions
kakobrekla just bitching at the unrecognizability of the f name
decimation: kakobrekla: so the sigma-delta is implented with tube or does it merely use tube as output amplifier?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about cutting off the leading zero. Then actual releases start at version 7 or 10, following in the tradition established by the early Linux Distros.
kakobrekla: decimation as far as i can tell tubes are there as output buffer, feeding of sigma delta dac
kakobrekla: the device originally came w/o the tube, the mod was an aftermarket thing
decimation: I think for most cases there is almost no difference
decimation: but if you are clipping or have momentarily large signal, the behavior in the 'non-linear' domain of the amplifier will be different between tubes and transistors
decimation: I've been told (haven't experimented) that tubs tend to create even harmonics while transistors odd, when driven to near saturation
decimation: I suspect the difference would be most noticable if you were using it as a guitar amp and then driving the thing to distort
kakobrekla: since you mention ss, i tried solid state rectifier replacement instead of tube rectifier. it was a mega fail.
decimation: how did it fail? buzzing or spurious signals?
kakobrekla: the sound became unpleasant to listen to, harsh, loss in detail and huge loss in soundstage
kakobrekla: i was expecting it to beat all other tube rectifiers i have
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mod6: asciilifeform: ... 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed << that's weird. I did check the bitcoin git tag list, 0.5.4 isn't in there. Where do you see 0.5.4?
kakobrekla: early 2014. year and a half, feels like ages.
mod6: maybe they never actually created a release out of that? I see no tags for 0.5.4 or 0.5.5
mod6: I don't see it in "Releases" either, but there isn't a v0.5.3 in there either.
mod6: oh yeah there is, nvm, im blind
mod6: it's out of order a bit
mod6: but yeah, i don't see any release artifact for v0.5.4 or v0.5.5
mod6: maybe it was planned, but then scrubbed and went straight to 6?
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BingoBoingo: <mod6> maybe it was planned, but then scrubbed and went straight to 6? << They have been scrubbing the Github of old releases in recent months it seems
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: perhaps walks around with big sign on ass saying "kick plz"
ben_vulpes: if unarmored sapper, perhaps more of a big deal
thestringpuller: mod6: so jeezy is playing tonight downtown in celebration of the 10th anniversary of tm101. and i didn't know about it. i'm half tempted to get 500 cash and go find some ticket scalpers
mod6: asciilifeform: hey btw, I don't think that your patches { turdmeister-alert-snip && goodbye-win32 } ever made it into the email list.
mod6: thestringpuller: nice man! yeah, that'll definately be a cool show.
thestringpuller: mod6: make me feel better for likley not being able to see it
jurov: ^ i see rm_rf_upnp there
mod6: yeah i added the tarballs right in website myself... just was curious that i never saw the emails.
kakobrekla: << usgtron with elaborate graph ad < meh i checked the yellow dots but there is everybody but bitbet. even jurovs coinroll is there
mod6: yeah, as far as the version number, in hindsight; going forward, we should probably keep all version bumps in it's own patch incase something changes. i.e. your latest IRC Full Demolition Patch.
mod6: if we do anything else other than 5.4, that'd probably be good cause otherwise we'll hvae to patch your patch. :]
mod6: <+thestringpuller> mod6: make me feel better for likley not being able to see it << just throw it on your mp3 player and start hustlin'
mod6: im about to turn it on myself. lol.
trinque: thestringpuller: now you've got me listening to young jeezy over here
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mod6: so we've talked about the versioning quite a bit since October. The deal is, if we talk about nothing other than just the format ( X.X.X.X ), we know that we'll have to change much more code than just one line to give it a new version number, as there is a bunch of stuff in there that is used to parse this value.
mod6: And if we wanna call it version 69.69.69.69 then there was some sort of concerns here surrounding weather or not we'd be able to connect to other nodes. I'd have to go back and look and dig through the code a bit though, I can't recall it all off hand.
mod6: well, my concerns were of a technical nature anyway.
mod6: we could try some other version like 1.0.0.0 and see what happens i guess.
mod6: I don't think that's ever been attempted iirc.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: but what about the instant stuff like green addres?!?!?!?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how would you cap it? anything below some transaction fee is purged from mempool when gets greater than N-mb?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> unrelated: anybody try capping mempool size ? << not me yet. there's a laundry list of stuff to get through yet.
mod6: this is a good idea though.
mod6: im currenty building a new AMI for gentoo so I/we can test wtf is going on in there with gcc/uclibc. I should be done with that in a few hours.
thestringpuller: i know but how would mempool be effectively capped so nodes don't purge "important" tx's if people spam network
mod6: Then I'm gonna need to cut away from working on that on Saturday afternoonish at the latest to work on the SoBA -- which is looking to be lengthy for this month.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: even valid transaction can approach infinity
mircea_popescu: <shinohai> Hopefully to find a native speaker, which is impossible in my small city. << so buy a bride. ukr won't be cheap much longer.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell mircea_popescu turns out, bitcoind 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed. << makes exactly 0 difference.
mircea_popescu: four followds three. this is not a function of anyone's idiocy.
mircea_popescu: will you propose ~WE~ change the versioning number when (not if) some OTHER shitgnomes release a faux version downstream ?
mircea_popescu: do you expect torvalds to consider what random shitforbrains released as "linux kernel" and go "hey guise we can't use version x.x, anon shitforbrains used it fiorst!!11" ?
mircea_popescu: there has been no version of bitcoin released past 0.5.3 ; we are releasing the first one. it's 0.5.4
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: if the valid tx's submitted to the network approach a large number that is greater than modest machine's memory capacicty
mircea_popescu: i think you're not particularly qualified to make this call. what shadow ?
mircea_popescu: is this some sort of "consensus" that they have or something ? again ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this i understand. my asking is what are you proposing before machine goes down?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: What about cutting off the leading zero. Then actual releases start at version 7 or 10, following in the tradition established by the early Linux Distros. << the problem is that the implication of having a 1 leading version (ie, mature product) is laughable. we don't. hopefully one day we will, but the current offering is not it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Mature version can start at 10.
mircea_popescu: more deeply : there is exactly ZERO derivative work implied in the bitcoin foundation's releases. we don't use anything they did, for the explicit reason that everything they did is shit, with the furter implication that every man who ever worked for them WASTED THEIR LIFE.
mircea_popescu: this is very important to ber there, plainly spelled out.
mircea_popescu: because people must at some point come to comprehend that they are responsible , at the very least for their own lives, and that the choices they make come with consequences, and the consequences will NOT negotiate.
mircea_popescu: so no, jwh "i just want to contribute" doth not work irl.
assbot: Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... (
http://bit.ly/1RAbORw )
mircea_popescu: actually a switch to create "minimally acceptable /kb subsidy" as a precondition of taking tx into mempool might be useful.
mircea_popescu: even better if the behaviour is dynamic (ie, the minimum only kicks in if the mempool is over 1mb, and selects for optimal fill)
mircea_popescu: this will give node operators an incentive to present good pools to the network.
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mircea_popescu: there has to be some import of market into mempool functioning.
mircea_popescu: ask me more questions about what this guy did in his basement. i enjoy the feelings of impotent frustration.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i think that'd be actually +ev, but just a thought.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm hearing that argument can actually be had in favour of the mempool/minerpool layered implementation.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but afaik turdmeisters are already experimenting with connecting sewage pipes directly to the mempool << I think one of the earliest XT "selling points" by Hearnia was this for some SpamFunder called "Lighthouse"
mircea_popescu: specifically : that at the very least it should not be possible for one to fire a missile at any place that scarfs up txn or knows about them and hit a miner.
mircea_popescu: in this way : some mempools, by virtue of being well curated, get to talk first to miners.
mircea_popescu: inclusion in one of these is valuable, and so a private deal can be had.
mircea_popescu: allows mempools to be run like a service, much like say a website works.
mircea_popescu: i've been saying for years it's the one vulnerability.
mircea_popescu: no big surprise gavin & gang are attacking it while claiming it';s all about anything else.
shinohai: I imagine there is an unseen strapon somewhere in that image.
assbot: Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... (
http://bit.ly/1RAeJJW )
mircea_popescu: it's our own "kick the usg till it bites, then shoot it" gambit.
mircea_popescu: Recently agitators in the United States along with officials in various government capacities have been exploiting a recent minor tragedy << would work without the 2nd recent too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was gonna say "why not take it back to civil war" to you, but then i realised what cw1 was.
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mircea_popescu: Some unnamed genius at the company feels << this is the important part. do not allow the fucktard remain anonymous.
mircea_popescu: ask who doesn't want to tell you, why don't they want to tell you ?
mircea_popescu: this isn't about principles. this is about particular morons being particularly moronic. they are personally responsible.
mircea_popescu: cut their vague generalities straight from under them.
trinque: "who in his manifest" << manifesto
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ? << Yes
assbot: Apple Removes All American Civil War Games From the App Store Because of the Confederate Flag | Touch Arcade ... (
http://bit.ly/1RAgs22 )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Some unnamed genius at the company feels << this is the important part. do not allow the fucktard remain anonymous. << will search. Likely committee action. Just quoting Cooter's thoughts on the action there
trinque: who needs govt force when american companies are so happy to provide it on the govt's behalf
mircea_popescu: the point is to allow no quarter. there is no excuse. joint and several liability exists to deal with exactly this sort of situation.
mircea_popescu: a committee did it ? you each did it, individually, the full thing.
mircea_popescu: trinque "american companies" are exactly government entitites.
trinque: mircea_popescu: yes, I see your point
mircea_popescu: and so no. an "american company" did it ? obama did it.
shinohai: So dumb. If only history had a blockchain.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> shinohai: before long, u.s. civil war material will look like german edition of 'wolfenstein' << Already happening in Apple App store
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mircea_popescu: heh. the flags are either the imperial gold with whatever schmuck's escutcheon (i suppose fried chicken and watermelon for the current holder ?) or else the guelph red, or white, or blue, with the horse, the tower, the you name it.
BingoBoingo: replace the stars on the current banner with little watermelons, repatern the stripes like a KFC bucket
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mircea_popescu: "In addition to the embarrassment of having their bro-y, bitchin’ orgy leaked online—you can view uncensored portions below—Pearson (who is also the manager’s son), Hopper and Smith can be heard making at least one racially insensitive remark toward the three Thai girls involved with the players."
shinohai: @ mircea_popescu if I find a Russian bride in the form of that pic you just posted, I would be a very happy person indeed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00038962 = 10.9873 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Russian bride < who gets paid in that deal?
shinohai: @ cazalla so they can attempt to turn them into their own assets
trinque: so this is NSA wiretapping plus FBI parallel construction plus arresting based on thoughtcrime alone
mircea_popescu: "The FBI has been rounding up more potential “lone wolf” terrorists, congressional leaders and the Justice Department say, in response to the perception of a mounting threat of domestic attacks inspired by the Islamic State."
mircea_popescu: check it out, hanbot's thesis is well confirmed... by the wolf's own mouth.
mircea_popescu: islamic state my foot. your own people hate you because you're hateful, contemptible twerps, yo. nothing isis can or could do has anything in there.
mircea_popescu: The recent arrests are “an indication that the increased number of threads of threats … is at the highest level that most of us have seen since 9/11,” Chairman Richard Burr of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence told us in an interview.
mircea_popescu: His comments track with those of his House counterpart Devin Nunes, who said earlier this week that the country is at a higher risk of terrorism than ever before.
mircea_popescu: that's ok. it'll be a lot worse next year. and the next and the next, and who knows, maybe it makes it till 2020 even.
mircea_popescu: “There are more of these guys to follow than we can possibly follow,” Sen. Lindsey Graham told us. “It’s just a matter of time before one of them penetrates the net.”
mircea_popescu: what now asciilifeform ? lizards lying about how fucked they are ?
trinque: there are eventually not going to be enough cops to deal with the number of people tired of their shitty lives.
trinque: and sometime after that occurs they'll realize this is the case
trinque: I wouldn't expect that any rival political thing would form among the orcs going apeshit
trinque: just that them doing so might open doors for others
trinque: sure, I just see 'em all as things which increase the load average of the state
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 20:10:20; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ?
mod6: finally. new AMI created. that only took ... you don't wanna know.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the proposition that joe stack is not revolutionary seems alike the proposition that you're innocent of math.
mod6: so i create gentoo via stage3 whole process in an instance, then have to create snapshot & make image from snapshot. deploy new instance from image.
mircea_popescu: what, this is an item accidentally shaped like a tree that coincidentally drops plantains to the ground, but not for this reason a plantain tree ?
mircea_popescu: revolutionaries are generally like that in their writing.
mircea_popescu: did i ever tell you the story about the blue collar guy who had caritas tickets ?
trinque: asciilifeform: at least among my meatwot the building being empty played much better
mircea_popescu: so this one guy, working in a furniture shop, had played this romanian ponzi scheme. early. and kept putting it all in.
mircea_popescu: so he had an immense sum to pick up, and he was scheduled to do so a friday evening.
mircea_popescu: so he asked his workshop boss to let him go to THE STATIUM
mircea_popescu: where he'd have had to wheelbarrow his cash home after being in line for hours.
mircea_popescu: simple people miss their funerals because some workshop boss didn't let them off. way the world works.
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's more twu wuv crushed under the trainwheels of normal life than under anything else.
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trinque: what is this forfeitting his computers nonsense?
trinque: mild inconvenience at best
trinque: heh probably to search 'em for btc privkeys
mircea_popescu: eh he's prolly gonna show up having an ugrent business proposal to discuss in short order.
mircea_popescu: the us dept of derp is short on money and understaffed, so it figures hey, what's this shikrashka thing alf keeps mentioning ?
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decimation: "lone wolf terrorists" are just another lame excuse for "keep funding us or else"
mircea_popescu: "lone wolf terrorists" have a pretty decent claim to getting an ex-usg civil servant as chattel slave once the thing's done.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: how did the theory go, "bureaucrats are genetically inferior and morally stunted, and so the best thing for their sake is having them live out their lives as slaves for actual humans"
mircea_popescu would not actually want to be saddled with one of those idiots.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, is this just a beat up by norton or is ramnicu valcea really some leet town?
mircea_popescu: cazalla nonsense. there was a high concentration of kids fucking up windows boxen in that town, a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: it was never truly mention-worthy, but some english speaking journo in search of something to write about it wrote that, and well, ever since it's been some sort of english language accepted truth.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I thought you were going to say they all made fortunes and move to St. Kitts
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it's a rural townlet on par with say dublin, ohio.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you recall the story of one guccifer, uneployed cab driver fucking around in internet cafes ?
mircea_popescu: this sort of crap is unavoidable when doing "reporting". paris was never as fashionable as usians thought.
mircea_popescu: anyway, doing violence to the poorly secured chumpnet is a rite of passage for most of the not-dumb youth of the third world, you must appreciate. in luxor, a tiny town on the valley of the nile, the intellectual elite of boyhood gathered around two beat up dexktops and an acoustic modem trying the same thing.
mircea_popescu: romania's not been much of this for at least 10 years by noiw.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 22:11:13; mircea_popescu: the us dept of derp is short on money and understaffed, so it figures hey, what's this shikrashka thing alf keeps mentioning ?
cazalla: mmm yup, the doco is pretty much an advertisement for norton "As a leader in storytelling for Symantec's global brands, my main goal is to produce proactive, intelligent content that speaks to and engages an audience, and showcases the value of the company's exceptional brilliance in cyber security innovation." Solange Deschatres
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 23:02:23; mircea_popescu: "lone wolf terrorists" have a pretty decent claim to getting an ex-usg civil servant as chattel slave once the thing's done.
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