assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00403528 = 0.4277 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001772 = 0.1772 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.04240333 = 1.2721 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00087326 = 16.4173 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02190005 = 0.2847 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07000002 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.043 = 0.129 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6089995 = 4.263 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0039988 = 0.1999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 794 @ 0.00401378 = 3.1869 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00594457 = 0.1189 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00586121 = 0.4103 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6128 @ 0.00087421 = 5.3572 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00087326 = 11.1341 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: the float on exchange is only half of all
benkay: just to fuck with us, copumpkin.
kakobrekla: www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1zhjwh/certificate_verification_vulnerability_in_all/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00087245 = 41.9212 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087062 = 3.6566 BTC [-]
nubbins`: as of today, march 10, 2014, it is illegal to ride in the bed of a pickup truck in this province
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00087355 = 5.285 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00087355 = 7.4252 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1039 @ 0.00422801 = 4.3929 BTC [+] {11}
bloctoc: Artifex just tried to scam me
bloctoc: can't find a transcript anywhere in textual but I'm not a textual expert. if anyone knows if that's possible?
gribble: Nick 'bloctoc', with hostmask 'bloctoc!~bloctoc@c-50-168-9-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is not identified.
artifexd: One sec and I'll ident. Cause it wasn't me.
artifexd: Then I'll sit down and shut up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087407 = 10.8385 BTC [+] {4}
bloctoc: Artifex is just someone who pm'd me and tried to scam. I sent a warning. that's all
nubbins`: guise my neighbour tried to scam me
nubbins`: her name is captain sally rockwell
nubbins`: benkay: check the -30's ratings
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
benkay: it's a lot of money in some parts of the world, nubbins`.
copumpkin: bloctoc: what kind of scam? just an offer to buy or was it genuinely sketchy?
bloctoc: it looks like it's still going. he's trying to buy btc from me and sell to someone else in bitcoin-otc
nubbins`: not much to be done about it in here
nubbins`: report it in -otc and be done with it
nubbins`: everybody knows unsolicited PMs are the mark of a scammer
kakobrekla: bloctoc theres like no btc usd trading happening here ever
bloctoc: he tried to copy/paste the get trust results into chat.
nubbins`: not much you can do about it, i wouldn't get too wound up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3787 @ 0.00391884 = 14.8406 BTC [-] {36}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 11213 @ 0.00351718 = 39.4381 BTC [-] {46}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9494 @ 0.00331059 = 31.4307 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00312698 = 4.6905 BTC [-] {12}
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: you're going to need a moneybin soon, like uncle scrooge has
mircea_popescu: Mar 04 11:22:27 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: they're not real money, because they have no value backing them
benkay pictures a really shitty crypto car
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: oh damn, I keep forgetting that
mircea_popescu: @Wolverineks · 7h @Beautyon_ i used to think @Mircea_Popescu was full of shit. Now I know I was just dumb.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00087025 = 39.7704 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: @Wolverineks I am not going to argue this. That man is a dyed in the wool genius, no doubt about it. Go read his blog.
mircea_popescu: i gotta make a collection of these for the benefit of the forum fans
mircea_popescu: o wait, actually there's an entire thread dedicated to that huh. a well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19740 @ 0.00087197 = 17.2127 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00310001 = 0.3441 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23529 @ 0.00086786 = 20.4199 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06899603 = 1.7249 BTC [-] {6}
ozbot: Myths about /dev/urandom
mircea_popescu: o that. well... his gross point re random/urandom has some validity
mircea_popescu: tbh i figure it's just random kid that overheard the adults talking and ran off with whatever he misunderstood of it
mircea_popescu: o look, moiety is actually kinda cute irl, if somewhat upside down
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: let's consider some fun facts together : gpg takes ~5 minutes to generate a 2k key
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00086746 = 14.9637 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: then people derp about how incredible secure bitcoin addressing is
mircea_popescu: but leaving that aside for a moment, bitcoin runs off prng
mircea_popescu: artifexd nubbins` bloctoc well, that artifex guy in the wot has all his ratings during may/june of 2011
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00301000 / 0.003579 / 0.00425000 (33532 shares, 120.01086616 BTC), 7D: 0.00301000 / 0.00401661 / 0.00497520 (116451 shares, 467.73874230 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.00439242 / 0.00600000 (621992 shares, 2732.04948959 BTC)
artifexd: About an hour ago someone dumped 20k+ shares and emptied the orderbook from .004 to .003.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00586004 / 0.00626295 / 0.00662900 (296 shares, 1.85383408 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00557609 / 0.00900001 (29516 shares, 164.58401921 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00553635 / 0.00900001 (61796 shares, 342.12401921 BTC)
artifexd: Not that I know. I've looked and didn't find anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.0008672 = 10.0162 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what sort of a twisted joke is having your central bank run by a guy whose name is panicos
ozbot: The Messages on These Condom Wrappers Were Deemed Too Sexually Suggestive to Hand Out to High School
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 277 @ 0.00357557 = 0.9904 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: chetty_ lmao, what are they supposed to say, "o hi, this is just a baloon" ?
chetty_: makes as much sense as most things - which is to say - none
ozbot: Twitter / momsmt: Free condoms @bostonschools ...
mircea_popescu: why am i reading in the blaze about what some nobody said ?
mircea_popescu: is it because the blaze is trying to fish for imaginary controversy ?
benkay: i met an ex-teacher while drinking beers after closing a deal the other day. he mentioned teaching sex-ed in an abstinence-only situation, and when I asked him "so how do you actually teach them?!" he said something along the lines of "well the smart ones can read between the lines"
benkay: this dodges entirely the question of how to educate the idiots who aren't reading, much less inferring.
Duffer1: it's glen becks bullshit factory
mircea_popescu: sex ed should basically consist of assisted fucking. "now all the girls take off their clothes. give your panties to the boy you'd like to fuck you"
mircea_popescu: "now all the boys take off their clothes. put your condom on like so"
benkay: "i didn't get any panties!"
chetty_: well all that time in sex ed they dont have to bother teaching hard stuff like maths
mircea_popescu: if kids got laid once a week mandatorily maths'd prolly be a lot easier to teach
mircea_popescu: i suppose the kids that don't get any panties for five weeks running are going to be gelded
Duffer1: obamacare is best care, comrade
mircea_popescu: then all the testicles thus obtained could be canned into pet food, shipped to stray dog shelters
benkay: <Duffer1> obamacare is best care, comrade << nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.093389 = 0.4669 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.0008672 = 17.6475 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: fun fact : the cypriot government pre-collapse ? communist.
ozbot: Reduce the Workweek to 30 Hours - NYTimes.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, do you readily know of a problem mersene might have as a crypto prng?
ozbot: Twitter / DorianSatoshi: @TheBitcoinWife Can you tell ...
nubbins`: more testicles means more iron
nubbins`: those "ONE" brand condoms have tons of different designs, it's their thing
nubbins`: also impossibly difficult to open iirc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah i was thinking, who the fuck makes round wrappers
benkay: what, you need a perforated strip too?!
nubbins`: "maybe if we package these tennis balls in a large sphere"
nubbins`: benkay, go buy a pack of ONE condoms and open 'em all on your first try
kakobrekla: now we came to the roots of round corner hate.
mircea_popescu: benkay for instance i hate the durex brand because not only they fit much too tightly, but uber-retarded wrapping.
mircea_popescu: magnums are comfortable, the box is non-plastic and perforated, the individual wrappers tear easily.
nubbins`: the ones with the roomy tips are nice
ozbot: Cornul abundentei. Sau ma rog… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: "The condoms should have had more realistic pictures on them. Such as a teenager laying in bed with a baby crying in the background and an alarm clock showing 2 am, or a teenager with a paper hat on cooking fries."
nubbins`: "get a job or you'll be asking people if they want fries with that" turns into "what are you, too good for a fast food job?" and people wonder why the kids are confused
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: because your sin pokes holes in them
nubbins`: "Try these sayings: 1 Corinthians 6:18 Leviticus 18:22 Colossians 3:5"
nubbins`: i actually won't try those sayings
nubbins`: afaik leviticus 18:22 instructs you not to fuck men in their pussies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.000871 = 32.7496 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: "Why doesn’t the school just go for broke and provide kids with alcohol and copies of the Kama Sutra"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00087206 = 4.3603 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: you have to fuck him in the ass
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform parasuta is, of course, yet another way to say whore in romanian.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: f2m
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00368999 = 0.214 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Can this $70 dongle stem the epidemic of password breaches? | Ars Technica
Mats_cd03: isnt this inferior compared to yubikey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.615 = 1.23 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61971428 = 4.338 BTC [+] {4}
Mats_cd03: idk much about this crypto shit except that the dongle seems to have more entropy? feel free to chime in if you know anything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00375499 = 0.1502 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62798165 = 3.7679 BTC [+] {5}
benkay: amazed it took so long.
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62999 = 1.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.635 = 2.54 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.641 = 2.564 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00087427 = 14.6877 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.643 = 1.929 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6468857 = 4.5282 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.65000545 = 7.1501 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00381932 = 0.1146 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00087514 = 13.3896 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00599112 = 0.1737 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00360003 = 0.288 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00599709 = 1.1994 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.647 = 3.235 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.00355001 = 0.2805 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00350793 = 0.5297 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.006 = 0.624 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.00609897 = 0.7868 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.0061 = 0.793 BTC [+]
benkay: what funding does bitbet need, antephialtic?
antephialtic: probably not any. But Andreessen would probably purchase some shares
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22843 @ 0.00087412 = 19.9675 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: mpex is right over there
benkay: and coinbr just a hop skip and a jump from that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00604 = 0.151 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02295749 = 0.1377 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0061 = 0.122 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.00613973 = 3.6838 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 281 @ 0.0062858 = 1.7663 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00633876 = 1.3311 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1294 @ 0.00645587 = 8.3539 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 302 @ 0.00649911 = 1.9627 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.0065 = 0.1885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00087087 = 14.3258 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00345 = 1.035 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.0425605 = 1.0215 BTC [-] {22}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00086933 = 19.5165 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0933898 = 0.1868 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0422875 = 0.1692 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0933898 = 0.3736 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00086958 = 5.7392 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0933898 = 0.4669 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: That he doesn't know of BitBet does not bode well for them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00087445 = 16.4397 BTC [+] {2}
Apocalyptic: hum, so Openex appears to be insolvent and is closing, guy is confused about what to do with outstanding balances
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00087137 = 13.1577 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Or... ATC would have gotten completely goxxed
Apocalyptic: looks like it, hope the ATC guys didn't have much ATC there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0008698 = 4.0011 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29313 @ 0.0008755 = 25.6635 BTC [+] {4}
cazalla: looks more like an advertisement than a match though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10228999 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0681003 = 0.2043 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06800001 = 0.204 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1500 @ 0.00600322 = 9.0048 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22737 @ 0.00087534 = 19.9026 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19646 @ 0.00087631 = 17.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00087467 = 6.1227 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00087263 = 2.3561 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00087099 = 11.3229 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00087407 = 2.797 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 290007 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 296 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 22 hours, 44 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4193481648.71 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.90003
ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 296 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.8229% in 1d 20h 15m 59s
ozbot: BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 775 @ 0.00018 = 0.1395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.005868 = 0.2934 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04217 = 0.2109 BTC [+]
jurov bribes dub to stay off btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.06726552 = 3.0942 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00087099 = 13.7181 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00087099 = 6.6631 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00086905 = 17.6852 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18790 @ 0.00087093 = 16.3648 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00087093 = 16.6348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15601 @ 0.00086875 = 13.5534 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00087101 = 8.1004 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09339 = 0.3736 BTC [+]
punkman1: "The 21-hour battle for B-R5RB resulted in more than 11 trillion ISK in damage, all thanks to a lapsed bill by one very important user in the EVE Online universe."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00086833 = 2.7787 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21830 @ 0.00087376 = 19.0742 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00086766 = 16.0517 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00087089 = 13.9778 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 576 @ 0.00354027 = 2.0392 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.003534 = 0.5478 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.071704 = 0.8604 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00369998 = 0.333 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 34 @ 0.0064877 = 0.2206 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Twitter / Bitcoin: Are you a bitcoin investor? ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00369998 = 0.37 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0064 = 0.576 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00086747 = 7.8072 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]
moiety: or ʍǝɯ mircea_popescu!
mircea_popescu: never buy anything from these fuckwits, they don't deserve to survive.
nubbins`: OH FUCK THIS IS A PERMANENT RECORD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0064 = 0.128 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ten years later, multi-billion dollar business doesn't understand for the life of it why it can't sell anything anymore.
mircea_popescu: does more social media bs, buys more deadmedia advertising, nothing
nubbins`: i prefer the term antisocial media for trees/teevees
cazalla: i don't know whether to feel stupid for being duped by kuka or whether i should've known better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9527 @ 0.00087208 = 8.3083 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065201 = 0.1304 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood. they seemed reasonably sane to begin with, german robotics maker with 1 bn in revenue worldwide
mircea_popescu: i closed the internal investigation without prejudice.
ozbot: Average student debt difficult to pay off, delays life milestones - Canada - CBC News
nubbins`: "Verge originally intended to become a teacher, but changed her mind after one year at Memorial University. She spent the next two years at Nova Scotia Community College completing a photography program, hoping to become a photojournalist."
nubbins`: no fucking shit she can't pay off her student loans
nubbins`: "Verge dicked around for three years on borrowed money at an average cost of $24/day"
nubbins`: "Verge's husband is currently pursuing a masters in history at Saint Mary's University in Halifax and hopes to continue into a PhD program. "
nubbins`: yep, that'll bring in the bucks
nubbins`: "If she could go back to her senior year of high school, Verge would make different choices, namely being more certain of what she wanted to study before spending $8,000 on a year's worth of university tuition, books and living costs."
Neil: Yeah that kuka thing was a letdown. I was looking forward to having sthg interesting to watch when I got back home.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00087208 = 7.7615 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.06470776 = 2.653 BTC [-] {11}
Neil: Clearly kuka not even close to being able to cut the mustard
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "If she could go back to her senior year of high school, Verge would make different choices, like hooking up with guys that beat her into sense and spend $24 a day on stockings alone rather than the current looser she's hitched with"
☟︎ moiety: so is the new production place in china a bunch of BS then?
mircea_popescu: moiety depends what the ad copywriter was eating that day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00639999 = 0.448 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: " It took two people to hold the camera, probably because it was heavy as fuck."
Neil: mircea_popescu: I don't remember you taking a 1% fee on such cancellations before on Bitbet.
ozbot: Gen Y struggles in expensive housing, rental market - Canada - CBC News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61425728 = 4.2998 BTC [-] {5}
moiety: asciilifeform: here, you don't have to pay back your student loans until you earn over X amount
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.06519316 = 2.021 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2757 @ 0.00086817 = 2.3935 BTC [-]
moiety: it becomes a lifestyle for some doing degree after degree, never actually working
cazalla: moiety: are you from australia?
cazalla: they do that here in australia, a lot of graduates take jobs that pay under the threshold as to avoid paying back the debt
moiety: yep same, all the time. that or they just sign up for another degree
moiety: i know one guy who did Politics, then Mental Health Nursing and now plans on a Philosophy degree
moiety: actually writes an anti-psychiatry anarchist blog
cazalla: i'm a high school drop out, my brother has a degree (medicinal chemistry)
cazalla: he makes sammages at subway heh
moiety: i would bite your hand off to go to uni ... but in my own time. worked since 14. it doesn't make you less of a person at all, they just like you to think so
moiety: lol @ the contradiction of medicinal and subway :)
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mircea_popescu: " Police in Danville are investigating the theft of more than $15,000 worth of manhole covers that were stolen from various parts of the city"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 31 @ 0.08550831 = 2.6508 BTC [-] {9}
CheckDavid: cazalla: if you get a shitty job you don't have to pay debt?
cazalla: shipped to china like all the copper that gets knocked off i guess?
moiety: i know a guy who was trying to flirt with a girl a few years ago by giving her some bitcoins.... she contacted him when they hit $1k to tell him, she paid for her college tuition with them :)
cazalla: CheckDavid: you are only required to begin paying the debt once you earn over x amount
CheckDavid: cazalla: who issues the loan? Government?
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid they're sort-of govt backed in most places.
moiety: cazalla: i think you guys have certain degrees that never get fees at all, like nursing, right? bursary instead to get people to do it
CheckDavid: I see. Because I guess banks wouldn't care that much
cazalla: moiety: not sure if any are exempt but you can go back again and again to rack up more debt
mircea_popescu: Neil no 1% was charged (site does indicate that, but it's erroneous). the tx is 3a01762308fc1c9b36478d3bb4c3198eb69f3c29ab24af2e4520727c7fa9c79c3a01762308fc1c9b36478d3bb4c3198eb69f3c29ab24af2e4520727c7fa9c79c once it propagates you can check it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that looks like it could propel the boat, in a spot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11586 @ 0.00087081 = 10.0892 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14764 @ 0.00086781 = 12.8123 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's like "it never ceases to amaze me how the impotent never rape anyone". well of course not. if they could they wouldn't be impotent.
mircea_popescu: well no, but that's besides the point : they are all excess, as per your definition.
mircea_popescu: curretnly the mass migrations are from sane places to idiotic places,
mircea_popescu: which is actually the greatest boon on the developing world : all those mexicans, arabs etc leeching the welfare states aren't doing it so they may be us or eu citizens etc
mircea_popescu: they're doing it because a fool and his resources are soon partying, and once the party's over they'll just go back home and start their own renaissances.
ThickAsThieves: “Zero transaction fees is the future,” Li said. According to him, the freemium business model is the new norm of the twenty-first century, and no industry, not even financial services, is safe from its disruption.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your chick's not putting a machine gun in the middle for the same reason she's not getting laid
chetty_: I'll hang you by the balls and have you f***ed' – Ukrainian presidential hopeful abducts pro-Russian MP
chetty_: I gave up reading about it, its all disinfo anyway, I just liked that headline
mircea_popescu: "Love what your doing but I see you do not send to the UK. My company are about to leash a few ATMs on the UK and would love to get a hold of perhaps your ai or pdf so I could print some off to give to everyone who is attending our launch in Feb."
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's tons of these outfits consisting of basically one guy and his adobe illustrator pretending to be in some form mass movements.
mircea_popescu: i'd love nothing more than contact with a large club of street people, but these muppets ain't it.
chetty_: well tons of single guys does sorta make a mass ....something
mircea_popescu: chetty_ tons of single guys with delusions of leadership, self-importance and whatever else makes maybe a ton of twitter accounts
chetty_: well mass ----something could wll be mass pile o shit
cazalla: don't you mean profit!1!1!oneeleven!11
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00086747 = 9.7157 BTC [-]
chetty_: hahahaha:The municipal bond rating for Peoria has been downgraded
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086747 = 6.9398 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 582 @ 0.0001845 = 0.1074 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
nubbins`: asciilifeform: she defaulted on her federal loans and has her wages garnishes, that's why she's only paid back $2k in 5 years
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nubbins`: think about that -- paying off a $25,000 loan at $33/mo
nubbins`: hope the photography "course" was worth it ;p
nubbins`: TBH i don't think they should give loans for degrees/diplomas in navel gazing
nubbins`: you want a student loan to learn a skilled trade? sure, here ya go
nubbins`: you want one to get your PhD in history? get fucked
ninjashogun: nubbins`, how do you feel about a personal loan to develop a proprietary hardware tech past proof of concept stage?
ninjashogun: (which is what I've been looking for 3-4 weeks since receiving angel demo invites)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00086731 = 7.1119 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: because i have no reason to believe that you're capable of anything besides hanging around here and bumming for money
ninjashogun: it's the same thing - something marketable that needs something up-front. You can't just ask people to speculate, you should extend the possibility of a loan to cover information asymmetry and personal responsibiilty. I wouldn't be gamblign with otehr people's money
ThickAsThieves: loans are generally something to be unenthusiastic about
ninjashogun: nubbins` - fair enough. I've personally developed the proof of concept using vision software as well as embedded electronics with an arduino
nubbins`: ninjashogun: you need to realize that what you're saying means nothing to anyone here
nubbins`: bitcoin is littered with the corpses of people who had better ideas and more resources than you
ninjashogun: nubbins`, that's not true. I guarantee 100% that there are people int his channel who know what vision algorithms are, and what electronics engineering and embedded programmigng are. 100% guaranteed.
ninjashogun: (those are just two examples of the tech I've used.)
nubbins`: it's the fact that YOU are saying it
nubbins`: and generally, adults don't give free money to nobodies with "ideas"
ninjashogun: nubbins`, but nubbins doesn't mean anything to me either.
nubbins`: i'm not asking you for a wheelbarrow of cash
ninjashogun: It's not an "idea', first of all, I'm working on a company that was founded mroe than a year ago and has assigned IP as well as fullz developed prototypes that prove concept, using vision, some robotics elements, arduino, etc.
nubbins`: people tell you precisely why they will never, ever give you money
nubbins`: and you try to argue that it's in their best interest to do so
ninjashogun: No, I do not argue it's in anyone's best interest, absolutely not.
nubbins`: it's like a child convincing dad that a can of frosting is a good idea for lunch
nubbins`: why are you wasting your time asking over and over?
ninjashogun: I am looking for something similar to what I found before, which is someone who is interested in exploring the idea with me and would do so without necessarily having any big personal interest in it, other than obviously not losing money on it.
nubbins`: you won't find what you're looking for here
ninjashogun: So, it was not people, it was one person, and he didn't leave but continues to express 'definite' interest (we've prepared loan paperwork, etc). I!ve pressed several times for a firm closure and he's repeated definite interest (instead of taking the chance to say, look, it's not that interesting to him)
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.MAR] 340 @ 0.0029461 = 1.0017 BTC [-] {2}
ninjashogun: The main reason I ask here is because it is people who are technical (almost by definition), have early vision and interest (almost by definition) and in many cases have enough funds that they can consider helping me on such a basis. Some people ahve been interested but the amount is too larger for them, I understand but that is nto the kind of person I'm lookiing for.
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bitcoinpete: Markus Ortman, "COO of Bitcoin", explains all to Conan:
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Diablo-D3: Lets light this guy on fire for being a heretic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9032 @ 0.00086713 = 7.8319 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: The ballad of “Bitcoin Jesus”: The tech millionaire who fears for his life - Salon.com
ThickAsThieves: "I have sworn not to write the name of the island where Roger Ver is currently residing, the reason being that he fears for his life."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00086745 = 15.2671 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "Satoshi Nakamoto — who, it turns out, is an elderly Japanese man by the same name, "
ThickAsThieves: “The U.S. is making it extremely difficult for me to stop being American.”
ThickAsThieves: "The discontentment is also there when he talks about the first time he was arrested, at 18"
bitcoinpete: conan was only indicative of where the middle is, or isn't
ninjashogun: "Bitcoin was not created by Satashi Nakamoto, but by another man of the same name."
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nubbins`: i know all those words, but...
nubbins`: ...i didn't think you could put them together like that
bitcoinpete: "Bitcoin enthusiasts don’t generally spend any time thinking about privilege. But greater computer literacy among the poor and easier-to-use interfaces, along with addressing tech’s gender problems should be a goal we all strive toward."
bitcoinpete: "t’s not essential, or possible, that the privilege crowd fully understand bitcoin or that the bitcoin crowd fully understand privilege. What would be very helpful, however, is for both parties to admit the vast sums which comprise what they do not know."
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is like distilled privilege what the fuck is she on about.
nubbins`: one of the nice things about privilege is that you don't need to be aware of it
mircea_popescu: that's the point of fucking bitcoin : to put privilege above the reach of the unprivileged.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00620739 = 0.1428 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: ehhh, it's not privilege unless you were born into it
bitcoinpete: and there's more. it's fuckin privilege day
nubbins`: you saw something that was a good idea and you bought in. that's not privilege, it's sense
bitcoinpete: "You would have to be living under a rock feasting solely on anti-Bitcoin propaganda to think that Bitcoin is only about making money and oppressing the lesser privileged."
mircea_popescu: i was gonna let her know we were just talking about her.
bitcoinpete: "If we really want perspective on privilege, the global implications of an easy to use payment system must be taken into account for its efficiency in providing aid directly to people all over the world—especially disadvantaged women, many of which must raise families on low resources while their partner finds work in more economically healthy areas."
mircea_popescu: but ah well. most idiots manage to become useful in some manner.
bitcoinpete: "Bitcoin cannot possibly be limited to only the privileged as anyone (even people in Kenya) can gain access to it through standard cell phones, a tool which the developing world has increasing access to."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the ease of access is totally not a tool of privilege.
ozbot: This is what it's like to be a woman at a Bitcoin meetup - Arianna Simpson
mike_c: being a guy is so much easier.
mike_c: yeah, wordpress. what can you do ;)
mike_c: you gotta upgrade to get the suck
ozbot: Call for acid-bath stem-cell paper to be retracted : Nature News Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.629999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sooo... the rift people added a new profession, which is cool.
mircea_popescu: however to rank it up you need noob materials, which stressed the ufck out of the market.
mircea_popescu: noobs being noobs are too stupid to beeline for the generators and feed th hunger of the uberrich privileged maxlvl players
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mircea_popescu: and so here i am, lvl 60, one hitting lvl 6 mobs with my DOT
Neil: mircea_popescu: Great. I'd have thought (apart from signatures) the site it automated, including transaction generation. I guess someone corrected it?
ThickAsThieves: from finra "If no one accepts bitcoins, bitcoins will become worthless."
Neil: I'll always accept bitcoin, if only to bet on bitbet
ThickAsThieves: "Purchases can be refunded, but that depends solely on the willingness of the establishment to do so."
Neil: Bitbet seems better arb-ed than 9 months ago.
Neil: Well there was easy money before in the difficulty bets; no longer the case.
mircea_popescu: Neil tbh it always was pretty well arbed, in the sense that i occasionally try taking one side and i have yet to come to a situation where i wasn't covered properly by the other side
mircea_popescu: it's just people are control freaks and want to MAKE SURE
Neil: Shitty turnouts like SDICE and Gox 1Mar wiped out my profits...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04265 = 0.1706 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: in a sense bitbet acts like the exact oposite of the doctrine of gpg contracts
Neil: The sky-high BTC price bets are always interesting psychologically
mircea_popescu: in that it's quite safe to go "i bet x btc on this and expect the other side to work out the odds"
mircea_popescu: but i meant specifically the guy's concern re calculating final odds
Neil: Yes, to some extent the other side will come in to make up the odds (witness the recent CME bets) but there's still some friction. The large CME bets were ballsy and I guess should be worse than evens but an equal amount to the opening bet hasn't come in yet.
Neil: Perhaps my judgment of the odds is off.
mike_c: but.. why place a wager and then let someone else set the odds.
Neil: mike_c: coz you think you know better I suspect.
Neil: Actually the iron ore has more on the other side now. Hadn't noticed but that makes sense.
Neil: mike_c: Also the odds on both sides are somewhat random; it's not as if you can fix them given subsequent bettors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00364 = 0.3276 BTC [-] {2}
Neil: If BTC > $10k resolves as yes it'll be the biggest fiat bet yet
Neil: I wonder how long until a bitbet user suffers a MITM attack on the send-to address display
mike_c: ^ i have wondered about that.
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Neil: I'd feel much better if that bit were
https mircea_popescu: Neil it's discussed periodically. you can always test before you send
Neil: You have a point for the bigger bets. But hardly ideal. Why expose your users?
artifexd: TAT: My wife bought that shirt for me. So many custom tshirt sites print on shitty quality shirts. This one was a good quality tshirt.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.0427 = 0.7686 BTC [+]
Neil:
https makes it *much* harder unless I'm missing something.
mike_c: you are. i believe mitm is the most popular way to attack
https. diametric: yeah the effort required would make it not really worth it.
mircea_popescu: diametric arguable, because false reliance would sweeten the pot.
diametric: satoshi dice would be much easier to MITM
mircea_popescu: on a naked system like bitbet people know what the risks are
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00086667 = 5.1567 BTC [-] {2}
Neil: mircea_popescu: So you have no intention of improving the address thing, even if it starts to be taken advantage of?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00373 = 0.1492 BTC [+]
diametric: Satoshi dice would be very easy to attack since it's blocked in the US, which causes most US visitors to use TOR, which is easy to MITM especially since Satoshi Dice doesn't use
https. assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13184 @ 0.00086842 = 11.4492 BTC [+]
diametric: Then you simply need to create the 1DICE vantiy addresses and MITM replace them on load
Neil: I would if sending > 5 BTC
diametric: Hell, you could even implement the proper gambling and make people think they're just losing all the time.
mircea_popescu: or if the gy is really evil and it does show, it won't show as per your txid
Neil: Well, the main site could suffer the MITM too. Harder again, yes.
Neil: I could fly to Romania too!
mircea_popescu: send 0.05, go to library, load page, come back send your 5btc or w/e
mike_c: it's closer to the server, harder to get mitm'd
Neil: mircea_popescu: Visit kako, place the bet in person over a beer of course
mircea_popescu: anyway : all it takes for stupid "solutions" to take over the world is for people who know better to use them anwyay.
mircea_popescu: i will never, under any circumstances and for any reason use
https as if it were secure.
mircea_popescu: either it solves the problem and then i buy it, or else it does not and then i do not buy it.
mircea_popescu: god forbid i ever get cancer, the doctors will have a fucking handful with me
jurov: forget
https. most sites use *email* as if it was secure
Neil: mircea_popescu: What happens to MPEX if you're run over by a bus?
jurov: Neil i'll hire mercenaries and go to timisoara to take it over
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00600016 = 1.8 BTC [-] {6}
Neil: I worked there once.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2272 @ 0.00086549 = 1.9664 BTC [-]
diametric: mike_c: you'll note that to deploy that successfully, and not make the browser shit red warnings everywhere, you'll need a forged cert.
jurov: diametric or unpatched apple/linux machine
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mike_c: cloudflare is breaking the internet one stupid site at a time.
ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 247 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.3029% in 1d 12h 40m 57s
mircea_popescu: it's like... between cloudflare, what's that fucktardec omments thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00086532 = 24.6616 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00364 = 0.233 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44287593 BTC to 3`707 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07419943 = 1.113 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.99778525 BTC to 13`595 shares, 14695 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17666 @ 0.00086842 = 15.3415 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00600001 = 0.204 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00600001 = 0.276 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.041789 = 0.3761 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: no because chicks with college debt and no prospects keep adding it to their blogs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0415 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3}
dexX7: good thing that i use ghostery + adblock
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04125 = 0.1238 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: i wish there were a one stop shop where i could find a veterinarian, a therapist, and a hedge fund manager.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00373314 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.006 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0037651 = 0.1694 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00388252 = 0.1009 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00389978 = 0.2223 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04057142 = 0.284 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: "Line to GET IN the security line is wrapped around the check-in area of the Austin airport. "
deadweasel: DrGregMullface was so funny that I'm now getting 502 for the forums.
dexX7: the forum is gettinmg 502 for more than a month now from time to time :S
dexX7: www.onename.io considers to add bitcointalk and wot
dexX7: kinda tells where those people came from
deadweasel: wow, takes 9 developers to display a QR code
dexX7: somewhere in the reddit comments they said there will be some kind of authentification. like: you claim you are mp and insert his twitter handle, but to proof it, you'd need to post a verification tweet
mircea_popescu: meh there's in principle 5k "services" like that and no barrier to entry
Apocalyptic: <dexX7> somewhere in the reddit comments they said there will be some kind of authentification // well if someone regged the u/* entry i wonder how can they claim it back
Apocalyptic: it's not like they can enforce anything at this point
dexX7: i have no idea how it works under the hood
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8592 @ 0.00086842 = 7.4615 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.006 = 0.354 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: yesterday someone said this is trash. any insight why?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.00587222 = 0.276 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 94 @ 0.00576181 = 0.5416 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.040115 = 0.8023 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63055 = 1.2611 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 144 @ 0.00389978 = 0.5616 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06700013 = 0.469 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700013 = 0.335 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00599998 = 0.15 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0405 = 0.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700006 = 0.335 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0405 = 0.324 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06700007 = 0.201 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0405625 = 0.1623 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00086527 = 13.5847 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.006 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.0008682 = 18.1888 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about linking bitbet bet income/outbound to blockr ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00086927 = 17.2985 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087025 = 15.0988 BTC [+]
benkay: this morning at the café, some nice lady is standing next to the air pot, idling, hoping for attention
benkay: i go for coffe, she informs me that this air pot is empty
benkay: so what is to be done but put the empty one on the counter and pop the cherry on the new one
benkay: why can nobody do anything for themselves?
mike_c: what the hell is an air pot?
mike_c: ah. i did for myself and googled
mike_c: hey benkay, did you ever end up making that rent short happen?
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00570000 / 0.00595958 / 0.00654999 (457 shares, 2.72352803 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00558308 / 0.00900001 (28720 shares, 160.34603001 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00554085 / 0.00900001 (58409 shares, 323.63553001 BTC)
mike_c: it popped up, but is sliding back.
benkay: still noodling on a 6 month put basically
mike_c: meh, just buy more btc. it would be slightly better.
benkay: i've already decided on that strategy. i think rent plays are a red herring.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1001 @ 0.00017531 = 0.1755 BTC [-] {13}
benkay: plus, what do i look like, a trader?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3999 @ 0.0001705 = 0.6818 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: so when do the big markets start to price in the taper?
benkay: when does the taper even kick in?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00389978 = 0.195 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0744241 = 2.1583 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13014 @ 0.00086487 = 11.2554 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7178 @ 0.00086389 = 6.201 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 449 @ 0.006 = 2.694 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00391923 = 1.3325 BTC [+] {8}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00396315 = 1.5853 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5684 @ 0.00086371 = 4.9093 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086634 = 10.8293 BTC [+]
dexX7: hey guise what do you think about a blockchain postcard service? users submit a message which is then posted via op_return. i bet some devs would love the idea! :D
ozbot: The peeconomy pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11725 @ 0.00086955 = 10.1955 BTC [+] {2}
dexX7: brb creating cryptostocks ipo account
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04075 = 0.2038 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0409 = 0.2045 BTC [+]
dexX7: "the ugly who became a writer instead of cum sucking slut"?
mircea_popescu: she's a sorta leah, and as we all know it sucks to be leah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.613802 = 6.138 BTC [-] {6}
dexX7: well, i can't say that anything i ever wrote lead to a tv serie
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 98 @ 0.59465477 = 58.2762 BTC [-] {30}
the20year2: Are there any bitcoin businesses that are using GAAP-approved accounting?
mircea_popescu: if i ever watched tv perhaps that'd sound like a lot more.
dexX7: don't, it's usually not worth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.57480927 = 52.8825 BTC [-] {24}
the20year2: When did the bitcoin foundation approve an0?
dexX7: since when does create the foundation standards?
the20year2: Isn't the client maintained by the foundation?
the20year2: So, what's special about your accounting format?
the20year2: It's accepted by a country with a 17t economy plus other economies resulting over 25t of gdp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.57 = 13.68 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: an0 is accepted by the exchange doing 90%+ of all bitcoin financials.
the20year2: So all companies outside of mpoe is a scammer?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059217 = 0.5922 BTC [-] {6}
the20year2: Are an0 financials audited by outside organizations?
the20year2: So, financial reports are prepared by the company who issues them?
the20year2: So, what prevents the organization from lying?
mircea_popescu: the20year2 bitcoin is not about preventing anyone from lying.
nubbins`: the correct question is "how is lying identified"
joecool: consequences will never be the same
nubbins`: the answer is left as an exercise to the reader
dexX7: havelock down, forums extremely slow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00087059 = 5.7894 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: has bitbet ever been ddos'd?
mircea_popescu: the20year2 this dovetails nicely into your earlier curiosities re listing on mpex w/o an account. itstands to reason that large financial institutions that have their own account can keep their accounting straight ;
mircea_popescu: whereas small players will have to retain the help of an investment banker, in which case they get auditing as a packaged deal anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23504 @ 0.00086725 = 20.3838 BTC [-]
mike_c: i take that to mean they aren' very successful
mircea_popescu: didja see the thing where they tried to hijack the dns via social engineering ?
ozbot: O hai let me verify your identity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: wait, wasn't that how mpex got down? somebody impersonated you to a proxy server admin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00590256 = 1.7708 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04050001 = 0.2025 BTC [-]
joecool: i've seen more than a few domains get jacked from social engineering, the best are ones that clone the site, set up shop somewhere without many laws (romania?), then monetize the stolen site
joecool: and even if the domain was with a US registrar it usually takes a month or two to go through the processes to get it back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04034999 = 0.2017 BTC [-] {5}
joecool: mircea_popescu: cc over the phone is less bad in my opinion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0401 = 0.2807 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09298999 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}
joecool: mircea_popescu: it's fairly easily reversible, just claim the charges were fraud
joecool: mircea_popescu: not like a CC carries any sort of personal info other than name and address which are often already public record
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.09339 = 0.5603 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the fact you can reverse it doesn't mean it didn't fail thjo
thestringpuller: yea but the attacker wouldn't have profited directly on stealing people's money, mpex key is still guarded by naked lady ninja assassins
joecool: thestringpuller: that would depend on whether the attacker actually received goods, if they ran a merchant account they'd have the money clawed back
thestringpuller: i was talking more about an attacker getting access to mpex key via the proxy
thestringpuller: but I don't think the proxy decrypts trades just announces
joecool: mircea_popescu: skimmers are a bigger threat if you can duplicate the magstripe, but most non-US countries figured that out and went chip and pin
mircea_popescu: not what i meant. what i meant was, fraudster sells the merchandise to ignorant buyer, gets irreversible payment from him
joecool: ie. if i walk into a store with a stolen magstripe you don't know i have, i can purchase goods and even if there's a chargeback, it only claws back from the store those goods were bought at
mircea_popescu: you can reverse all you want, it;s not really helping much
joecool: oh sure yeah if you pull the old paypal-style MITM that's burned so many people in OTC
nubbins`: even places that use chip-and-pin will fallback to magstripe if there's a problem with the chip
nubbins`: grab a chip and pin card, rewrite the stripe, smash the chip with a ball-peen hammer
nubbins`: a friend of mine had "PLEASE ASK FOR PHOTO ID" on the signature panel of his credit card some years ago
joecool: true heh, in canada i use magstripe and it throws off all the clerks
joecool: cause only one or two US issuers have chip and pin as an option
nubbins`: pays for item in store, cashier looks at back, says "heh" and swipes the card
joecool: nubbins`: i've tested this theory, writing various things like "I STOLE THIS CARD" on the signature pad
dexX7: nubbins`: "please ask for photo id" - that's an awesome move
joecool: only two types of places ever gave me shit
nubbins`: great idea but you might as well say "FREE BLOWJOB PLZ"
joecool: 2. stores around ghetto'd aeras
the20year2: I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to publish an0 + gaap reports
nubbins`: "sorry my break isn't for another half hour"
mircea_popescu: the20year2 i'll bet you you'll be giving up on the gaap style within 12 reporting periods
the20year2: If we use GAAP it makes it easier to transition to a public corp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00087063 = 4.7885 BTC [+]
the20year2: an0 looks pretty simple, and my idea was to publish something non-gaap anyways since i don't think we can count bitcoin in that, and we'll always have btc balances onhand, so I planned on issuing non-gaap reports at the same time the gaap ones were done (TSLA does that)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: MPOE will still pay dividends from new sign up fees no?
the20year2: Although in the case of tesla, they issued the non-gaap a few hours before gaap and gained an extra $50/share
mircea_popescu: cause they were too busy confiscating the money of traders who had bought options on berkshire
the20year2: Yeah , i don't know though if it's illegal to issue non-gaap reports
mircea_popescu: but look here : some people bought options, in switzerland. they had their accounts frozen and they were required to... prove!!! they didn't trade on insider info.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, tesla creates random info disparities, nobody cares.
the20year2: how big was the loss/gain on the berkshire stuff?
the20year2: tesla's was way more than a few million
ozbot: SEC.gov | SEC Freezes Assets in Swiss-Based Account Used in Suspected Insider Trading Ahead of Hein
mircea_popescu: so what i want to know is, how many accounts that traded on the pre-gaap release were frozen by the sexc
mircea_popescu: if they have the time to freeze 100k worth of options.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02114995 = 0.1057 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: basically we're seeing the 1990s of the russian republic all over again.
mircea_popescu: here are the companies the government supports, here are the people it doesn't support, "rule of law" stuff.
mircea_popescu: so you know, where's the list of washington, dc people who bought tsla pre-release.
mircea_popescu: that's what an investigative finacial journo that's looking to jump out of a window would pursue.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.04005262 = 0.761 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.02034704 = 0.3052 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: what. the. fuck. "all ur assets belong to us". and now they have to *prove* their innocence?
dexX7: here is a general warning: mp cooperates with the sec, so be careful what you tell here
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah, they weren't on the list of people who are allowed to make moneyz.
Plaxant: mircea_popescu I don't know
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, we're not there yet. currently the sec is trying to get its shit together to be able to cooperate with mp.
mike_c: what a joke. "Plaintiff Securities and Exchange Commission ("Commission"), for its Complaint against
mike_c: defendants Certain Unknown Traders"
mircea_popescu: mike_c put that in perspective. the bezzle is the bezzle. people who are authorised to handle the imaginary portion of the monetary base may do X Y Z types of things. people who are not, however, may not.
mircea_popescu: a trillion dollars is not much loss for usg ineptitude. a hundred grand is too much gain for real world people,
mircea_popescu: for the directly obvious reason that the trilion in question doesn't really exist.
mike_c: the asset seizure laws are what get me.. they are just unbelievable.
mircea_popescu: the system is desperate to acquire as much as possible of the real portion of the monetary base.
mircea_popescu: that's why they'll gladly give you "401k" in exchange for your paycheck.
dexX7: no gribble preview? "NYDFS ISSUES PUBLIC ORDER ON VIRTUAL CURRENCY EXCHANGES"
dexX7: the second market/circle guys afaik
mircea_popescu: but that's at least part of why the "someone will actually manage to spring up somewhere to allow us to trade in confidence" part is in the last mpoe statement.
dexX7: yeah well. is this a bad thing?
mircea_popescu: people who like it can move to ny, people who don't like it can move out of ny.
mircea_popescu: it's unlikely to buck the us emigration trend, but who knows.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 125 @ 0.00324 = 0.405 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: We often are asked why Berkshire does not split its stock.
mircea_popescu: The assumption behind this question usually appears to be that a
mircea_popescu: split would be a pro-shareholder action. We disagree. Let me
mircea_popescu: One of our goals is to have Berkshire Hathaway stock sell at
mircea_popescu: a price rationally related to its intrinsic business value. (But
mircea_popescu: note “rationally related”, not “identical”: if well-regarded
mircea_popescu: companies are generally selling in the market at large discounts
mircea_popescu: from value, Berkshire might well be priced similarly.) The key to
mircea_popescu: a rational stock price is rational shareholders, both current and
mircea_popescu: If the holders of a company’s stock and/or the prospective
mircea_popescu: buyers attracted to it are prone to make irrational or emotion-
mircea_popescu: based decisions, some pretty silly stock prices are going to
mircea_popescu: appear periodically. Manic-depressive personalities produce
mircea_popescu: manic-depressive valuations. Such aberrations may help us in
mircea_popescu: buying and selling the stocks of other companies. But we think
mircea_popescu: it is in both your interest and ours to minimize their occurrence
mircea_popescu: To obtain only high quality shareholders is no cinch. Mrs.
mircea_popescu: Astor could select her 400, but anyone can buy any stock.
mircea_popescu: Entering members of a shareholder “club” cannot be screened for
mircea_popescu: intellectual capacity, emotional stability, moral sensitivity or
mircea_popescu: acceptable dress. Shareholder eugenics, therefore, might appear
mircea_popescu: In large part, however, we feel that high quality ownership can be attracted and maintained if we consistently communicate our business and ownership philosophy - along with no other conflicting messages - and then let self selection follow its course. For example, self selection will draw a far different crowd to a musical event advertised as an opera than one advertised as a rock concert even though anyon
mircea_popescu: Through our policies and communications - our “advertisements” - we try to attract investors who will understand our operations, attitudes and expectations. (And, fully as important, we try to dissuade those who won’t.) We want those who think of themselves as business owners and invest in companies with the intention of staying a long time. And, we want those who keep their eyes focused on business resul
mircea_popescu: Investors possessing those characteristics are in a small minority, but we have an exceptional collection of them. I believe well over 90% - probably over 95% - of our shares are held by those who were shareholders of Berkshire or Blue Chip five years ago. And I would guess that over 95% of our shares are held by investors for whom the holding is at least double the size of their next largest. Among companies
mircea_popescu: with at least several thousand public shareholders and more than $1 billion of market value, we are almost certainly the leader in the degree to which our shareholders think and act like owners. Upgrading a shareholder group that possesses these characteristics is not easy.
mircea_popescu: Were we to split the stock or take other actions focusing on stock price rather than business value, we would attract an entering class of buyers inferior to the exiting class of sellers. At $1300, there are very few investors who can’t afford a Berkshire share. Would a potential one-share purchaser be better off if we split 100 for 1 so he could buy 100 shares? Those who think so and who would buy the stoc
mircea_popescu: split or in anticipation of one would definitely downgrade the quality of our present shareholder group. (Could we really improve our shareholder group by trading some of our present clear-thinking members for impressionable new ones who, preferring paper to value, feel wealthier with nine $10 bills than with one $100 bill?) People who buy for non-value reasons are likely to sell for non-value reasons. Their pre
mircea_popescu: sence in the picture will accentuate erratic price swings unrelated to underlying business developments.
mircea_popescu: apparently a smaller amt of phone number isn't better after all!
dub: is this some form of comedy?
joecool: !rate mircea_popescu 1 seems legit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2770 @ 0.0001799 = 0.4983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2753 @ 0.0008686 = 2.3913 BTC [-]
ozbot: Bitcoin Foundation ramps up lobbying efforts with high-profile hires | SiliconBeat
mircea_popescu: lulzy : as it is downgraded to "one of the world’s leading advocacy groups for the cybercurrency," bitcoin foundation hires jim harper and some pr
bitcoinpete: In continuing our celebration of Privilege Day:
bitcoinpete: "Those in the 21st century who are most enamored of the word privilege—and often wield it as a bludgeon—make two mistakes. First, as Skwire shows us, they underestimate the complexity of power dynamics and social context. But they often take it a step further. In the name of reducing their newer, fuzzier kind of social privilege, they often advocate increases in the simple, old-fashioned, government-based variety."
ozbot: Check Your History : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education
bitcoinpete: More from another MK, Marcus instead of Lords
mircea_popescu: all this aside : nobody has so far explained what the problem is with privilege in the first place.
mircea_popescu: some people are better than others. intrinsically so. unequivocally so. what of it ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16026 @ 0.0008686 = 13.9202 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: all these kids running around acting as if universal equality is somehow a fait accompli.
bitcoinpete: it's not signed and sealed yet, gays can't marry everywhere and we don't have free govweed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 117 @ 0.00488 = 0.571 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: and we still have to share our privilege with africa
benkay: the20year2: your operation can't possibly file an0.
dub: they shared AIDS with us, its only fair
mircea_popescu: because privileged upper class british explorer people got bored playing the anthropologist
mike_c: it's not FAIR. that's what of it.
dexX7: The stability and longevity of the virtual currency, which exists outside of government and bank regulation, has been in question ... yeah well, tells enough
dexX7: sometimes i wonder why such experts dare to think their contribution was asked for in the first place
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00086686 = 26.6993 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.00086569 = 62.3297 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00615994 = 1.848 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62632993 = 1.879 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 343 @ 0.00615994 = 2.1129 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.628 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00386884 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06800694 = 1.7002 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.04378767 = 0.9195 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.04300321 = 0.9461 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00615994 = 0.2464 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.618 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.04300333 = 0.301 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00086916 = 1.2168 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00086777 = 6.7252 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [-]
jurov: i did not get the overstock spam, should i fear i'll be left behind by impending rapture?
jurov: Patrick Byrne: Bitcoin Messiah, CEO of Overstock, Scourge of Wall Street
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [-]
jurov: trying to reinvent austro-hungarian nomenclature and failing badly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086777 = 4.7727 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: His Most Eminent Serenicy, Patrick Byrne, Messiah-CEO of the Bitcoin Realms
jurov: "Go forth in search of fun" translates into "Merg sa-si caute pizde de scos la raport", rly?
kakobrekla: yes, lel, the guy making the shot mentioned i should look at css.
mircea_popescu: but literally it'd be "they go looking for cunts to make fall-in", as in the military thing.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is that what they say when an acct is unverified ? or is it what they say when they're out of btc ?
kakobrekla: i dunno what difference does it make, its btc we are talking bout
Bunnyh: i got that too a few weeks ago. i got an email too, which explained that withdrawal was blocked because of attempted phishing attacks, and i had to contact support
Bunnyh: took a few days to clear that out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00086799 = 15.6238 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: phishing attacks cause they were hacked which they didnt admit?
Bunnyh: yes, after they finally cleared the block the withdraw was pretty fast
mircea_popescu: bitstamp is like a respectable business and everything
Bunnyh: first support response was the same message, even with the "Please contact support part", that was a bit funnyt
Bunnyh: i had only 6 BTC there so unless everyones withdraws were blocked at that time, i can't imagine it was any kind of liquidity problem
mircea_popescu: Bunnyh unless they have a fractional reserve problem and then they do rolling window withdrawals
mircea_popescu: (this is useful for the fractional reserve business not exactly because it improves cash flow, which it does not, but much moire because it allwos it to "see into the future", as it were, ie to know ahead of time what financial resources it will need down the road)
dexX7: they don't have one and were audited
dexX7: but nevertheless i think they were attacked, the number of reports of spam to bitstamp users is very, very high
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00086656 = 9.8788 BTC [-]
Bunnyh: from what i can tell it looks like bitstamp isn't using any spf rules on their domain, wouldn't that block many phishing attempts?
mike_c: spf + domainkeys help.
kakobrekla: www.coindesk.com/new-york-accepting-applications-digital-currency-exchanges/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00086401 = 12.7873 BTC [-] {2}
dub: to da moon like doge?
nubbins`: i hope ninjashogun comes back later and pesters us into giving him money
kakobrekla: in april we should do an astronaut dresscode or something
nubbins`: finally, an excuse to wear my spacesuit
gribble: Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.
gribble: Current Blocks: 290098 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 205 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 57 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4206454280.77 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.24001
FabianB: ;;calc 3.81572379881463E9/10000.0
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
FabianB: ;;calc 4206454280.77/10000.0
dexX7: www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-audit-proves-behind-147m-mystery-bitcoin-wallet/
dexX7: inb4 ".co domain, not legit"
assbot: [MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC)
kakobrekla: >>Kodrič also projected this process would “raise the bar” for other exchanges to follow suit.
mircea_popescu: so coindesk links a pdf published on bitstamp;'s website
kakobrekla: careful there, one day he wont be able to reach it. the bar i mean
mircea_popescu: i think perhaps you're unfamiliar with what an audit is ?
dexX7: well, it would certainly be nice, if it were firestartr.co who hosted the file and even more, if it were gpg signed, that of course
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.0039 = 0.1014 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but some actual auditor with an actual track record of auditing.
kakobrekla: fuck i just found out that bitcoin does indeed pay interests
mircea_popescu: random website with a domains by proxy registration and a prepackaged css suite slapped in fails to impress.
kakobrekla: you just need to have a large enough wallet and spammer idiots will sends satoshis to your balance along with a blockchain info note
dexX7: Firestartr's team has been behind €6.7Bn in transactions over the last 20 years; a dozen trade sales and IPOs and started eight companies from scratch covering brands like Skype, Orchestream and Geneva. Our current community of ventures includes names like Rightster, Teleportd, Badoo, Pusher, Fanatix and UC4 Software.
mircea_popescu: "team". whio ? they have a website which consists of... "we"
mircea_popescu: Badoo is a dating-focused social networking service, founded in 2006, which uses deceptive tactics to attract new users
mircea_popescu: a history of fraudulent behaviour, and random cardboard web ventures
mircea_popescu: and if they list badoo, which is owned and operated by the russian... shall we not call it online fraud division, but merely refer to it as "Андрей Оганджанянц".
mircea_popescu: i would like to know why other stuff like spylog or begun aren't listed there
dexX7: so what are you saying? do you doubt that the result of the "audit" is legit and bitstamp is running a fractional reserve?
mircea_popescu: i am saying that either the firestartr thing is an outright fraud,
mircea_popescu: or else it's a deceptive front for a well known group of grayhats
mircea_popescu: anyway, that aside, i appreciate the humour of jess powell signing statements,
mircea_popescu: seeing how kraken managed to fuck up deposit addresses creating a mess worth 100s of btc, that they lied about.
mircea_popescu: someone should tell cary it's a bad idea to CONTINUE signing in the company of such doofusry.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 56 @ 0.02012201 = 1.1268 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 172 @ 0.0061 = 1.0492 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]
dexX7: <dexX7> inb4 ".co domain, not legit"
nubbins`: bit of a long shot, but do any of you guys have casascius coins?
nubbins`: i'm trying to track down a brass 2011 series-2
moiety: ok. i woke up. i have no idea wtf ive been thinking for the past ....months. *new leaf*
mircea_popescu: so, bitstamp is this bitcoin exchange. people have been havng their doubts about it for a while. bitstamp came up with this theory whereby it's been audited.
nubbins`: people are all hung up on 2011 "error coins" (series-1), oblivious to the fact that the series-2 2011s are so much more rare
dexX7: i agree and i expected something such a reaction. you don't need to convince me or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0059034 = 0.6199 BTC [-] {7}
dexX7: well then, why not :)
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Is that ninjashogun restaurant guy still asking for money because some mystery man in #dogecoin left him hanging on hit 1337 hardware project
mircea_popescu: so, this purported audit is in very poor form, for a myriad of reasons, such as for instance it being published by the audited entity rather than by the auditor.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, the purported auditor does not substantially exist. it consists of a recently registered, domain-by-proxy website, upon which some random copy has been plastered.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: yeah, you tell him that there's no way in hell and that he's wasting his time, and he tries to argue that it's worth his time and it's totally a possibility
mircea_popescu: this copy fails the form test, and more importantly makes some claims, which would seem to be false.
mircea_popescu: specifically, their claim as to be behind badoo is immediately suspect, seeing how a) badoo is not particularly a respectable venture and b) it is run by a certain group of russian folk, well known to be disreputable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00086353 = 4.3608 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.01940161 = 0.3686 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: BingoBoingo: did he interview everyone via pm, like me?
mircea_popescu: also important, that same group of russian folk run a number of other ventures, which are inexplicably absent from the firestartr claims,
BingoBoingo: Well, when ButtStamp dies this fall, I reckon people outside the WoT will largely be outside of BTC forever.
mircea_popescu: whereas skype, claimed by firestartr, is obviously not theirs to claim.
mircea_popescu: these facts allow two constructions : either firestartr is simply lying, and has no relation to badoo any more than it has to skype
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.0059 = 0.2242 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: or else, it is in fact related, and for whatever reason the respective disreputable russian group does not wish to admit to it. so it's more like a front.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: these considerations sink the entire thing, either way. either way they've lied, which means they can't audit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.601 = 1.202 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Well, bitcoin. It's hard to tell Buttstamp knew what an audit was, other than having had one seemed like a good thing.
mircea_popescu: good, cause on re-read the first verion seemed to me to be making little sense if at all.
BingoBoingo: And were in no way capable of having an actual audit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09319999 = 0.2796 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well for what it's worth they seem to more or less have moved a bunch of coins in november
mircea_popescu: tho i don't seem to find any proper proof, like signatures.
moiety: THATS ^ what i said other day!!!
moiety: i'm not sure how to start it i just want it. does that make any sense?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ponzis buying ads on the forum openly is no new news.
BingoBoingo: There was a thread in Meta, I'll dig it up
mircea_popescu: "Marc Andreessen favorited your Tweets 11h: Reply to @pmarca If your intel dept didn't stink, you'd know all about BitBet.
http://bitbet.us/ "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 75 @ 0.01769606 = 1.3272 BTC [-] {7}
moiety: hey i didn't know there was a thread! didn't they take enough crap regarding BFL ads?!?!
BingoBoingo: Maybe Marc Andressen needs an Intel department?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe they need intel people for their intel department?
moiety: also BingoBoingo re first comment in ponzi ad thread... theymos doesn't actually have legal responsibility in reality does he?
moiety: sounds like gum bumping to me
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well the pirate case might touch on Thermos's responsibility as he said sure Pirate, you can start a thread, allegedly
dexX7: why the fuck should this be "illegal"?
BingoBoingo: benkay: It's when you take a bit of coke an touch it to your gums to see if it is coke or not
B007: mircea_popescu: your paywall on your blog is lel. and easy to get past
dexX7: if "investors" want to play ponzi games, why not?
mircea_popescu: dexX7 it's generally illegal to advertise illegal activities in many jurisdictions
dexX7: not like anyone made any effort to hide what's the website is about
mircea_popescu: which is why you don't see ads for hookers in your favbourite magazine
mircea_popescu: B007 the point isn't really to make it impossible to get past.
B007: ip based so no effort required
nubbins`: the point is to make it annoying enough to make you want to spend the dollar it takes to buy credits ;p
B007: new ssh tunnel takes me like 10 secs
nubbins`: congrats, where did i leave my gold stars...
mircea_popescu: 10 secs are, for most people in the civilised world, worth more than the respective satoshis.
B007: it'd take far more time to accually pay
B007: well one of them yes
B007: and then there is tor
nubbins`: i used to be with this ISP and if you connected a switch to your dsl modem, they'd give a public ip to every connected machine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 38 @ 0.00307552 = 0.1169 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: couldn't give any less fucks these days
nubbins`: a local subsidiary of bell that you've never heard of
nubbins`: this was back before wireless routers were a common thing
dexX7: nubbins`> the point is to make it annoying enough to make you want to spend the dollar it takes to buy credits ;p < flip the statement: it's more comfortable to buy than to leech. kinda nice approach btw.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1830 @ 0.00017111 = 0.3131 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00086341 = 13.9009 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0061 = 1.22 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+]
B007: why is it more comfortable to buy than to leech?
MAKABEakira: would have ff a lot of wtf if i found trilema 6 months ago instead of last month. btc infospace is a formidable fog of war for newbs
Duffer1: welcome to the club makabe
mircea_popescu: kinda why i encourage people to blog and so forth, make good info a little more accessible.
mircea_popescu: i mean some people are just deliberately being stupid, but in many more cases people just don't have the info, at all.
MAKABEakira: no lack of content, but quality content has evolved some rather effective parasitic mimics
moiety: mircea_popescu: how to prove a publisher knew something was illegal when they advertised it though?
mircea_popescu: moiety "should have known", "reasonable person standard", "duty of care" etc etc. the jurisprudence is taller than you,
dexX7: B007: well i once paid a tiny amount and can enjoy trilema probably for lifetime. that's comfort vs. "need to reset my ip now and then"
MAKABEakira: i assume so but not sure if you have 'fans'
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: He's not the Mircea Popescu that does pottery if that is your question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 298 @ 0.00266378 = 0.7938 BTC [-] {20}
mircea_popescu: it is a reasonably common name, so there's a dozen or so other people by the same name
moiety: aw fuck so no chance of vases in here... bye!
ozbot: Mircea Popescu Exhibition History - Artist Website
moiety: why on earth is that artists exhibitions list not in chronological order? site almost gave me ocd
mircea_popescu: by the way, for whoever was wtfing about all the nude shots :
ozbot: Phototours-Ukraine - Ukrainian models and photography workshops
moiety: oh ignore ^ its hideously labelled instead
mircea_popescu: there's actually people who make it their business to organise a "photographic vacation"
moiety: they have a whole nude in public section! love it!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 490 @ 0.00378959 = 1.8569 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61 = 1.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00086308 = 2.3735 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00086275 = 17.0825 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 16770 @ 0.0001519 = 2.5474 BTC [-] {13}
Duffer1: When it comes to markets and finance America is the 'short bus' that is slowing down global growth.
Duffer1: how long's it been since he's mentioned his coin...
Duffer1: i doubt the suckers he scammed have forgotten
mircea_popescu: guy's target are people with short attention spans and limited memory space.
ozbot: Twitter / BBoingo: @ArsLaw @cfarivar And bitcoin ...
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: How lossy depends on the person
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.0039 = 0.2964 BTC [+]
MAKABEakira: is barry seibert really going ahead with this. last i heard it was a string of "we hope our partners" this and "if regulation" that, but so far, tumbleweeds
MAKABEakira: nm i shdnt type while on phone. Barry Silbert - SecondMarket
MAKABEakira: yet SM's exchange launch is taken as a foregone conclusion.
MAKABEakira: apologies i was under impression this was watercooler talk everywhere. don't shoot
Duffer1: you mean are they going ahead with SMs bitcoin exchange?
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: It is a talk of some kind. Just... when you name nobodies like Barrys and Larrys, you have to mention what they are trying to do.
MAKABEakira: Duffer1 yes. silbert put an embargo on all employee trading actvity after Count Goxula started his final bender. has not resumed since afaik
Duffer1: if they had traders on gox then i doubt they're fit to run an exchange of their own
Duffer1: nobody paying attention for more than a month would have known to not have $$ there
MAKABEakira: i am sure there were some. i think it's more of PR 'not it' move