kakobrekla: ftr, toshi (postgres) currently has 488 gb database for the 30 or so gigs of blockchain
gernika: mircea_popescu Interesting. That's one thing you and Michael O. Church agree on.
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes sure, and a bunch of other explorers.
ben_vulpes: which to avoid, which are not miserable?
mircea_popescu: having someone from here try it is still a great thing.
trinque: I'll say writing deedbot- was highly instructive.
kakobrekla: last i checked, years ago, that was a piece of spaghetti pythons that broke weekly
ben_vulpes: aside from "can't serve while indexing lol"?
shinohai: abe sucks, i'd rather rebuild bitpay insight -css
ben_vulpes: ah jesus insight is a shitshow that much i know from pissing on the fence in question
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: 'toshi' creates its db from a rails schema iirc, no surprise that it's 10x blockchain size
ben_vulpes: but transaction indexing etc should take *that* much space...
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes others arent that much smaller
gernika: mod6 asciilifeform fyi I just successfully built stator bitcoind on top of rotor. Gentoo inside Parallels. Needed trinque's patch.
kakobrekla: blockr was something like 200-300 gigs iirc
ben_vulpes: whence the extra data? most of the relationships should live in foreign keys.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, there's a reason i keep saying plain html and db on disk and stuff
mircea_popescu: exactly to piss on the face of all the "developer" kids with "ideas"
kakobrekla: plain html and db on disk and stuff < yes we want another duplicate of useless stuff stored in blockchain files
shinohai: You shouldn't trust developers tis true
mircea_popescu: to replace the useless duplicate of all the shit in a ruby install.
trinque: the vast majority of websites out there should be this
mircea_popescu: if disks are gonna fill with rubbish, i want it to be my meaningless rubbish, not theirs.
shinohai: ruby is just as useless as java
trinque: how often do you publish vs read
mircea_popescu: trinque ill confess about quarterly i get an itch to convert trilema
trinque: people "MVC", then it's memcached this and redis that
trinque: mircea_popescu: I bet, perfect example
mircea_popescu: re that "academic" link earlier : wtf is WRONG with these people. i can not see a date onthe page.
mircea_popescu: what is the point of even fucking existing if one's going to be this dumb ?
mircea_popescu: what, they've not invented dating in their culture ? what is this, polinesia online ?
kakobrekla: i dont see why save all html files beforehand if you can just dumpblock on the fly, its a stupid operations it gets done fast.
kakobrekla: its not like you are querying for abalance of an address.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know nothing prevents you from doing even the balance, in plain html.
mircea_popescu: suppose you accept a new block. now you do 1) list it in /blocks/ ; 2) iterate over all the txn it includes, list them in /txn/ ; 3) iterate over all addresses included, add and substract from /addresses/address.html
kakobrekla: well you will end up with 100gigs+ db or so. or unusably slow.
mircea_popescu: you end up with a pile of html files that would conceivably be smaller than the blockchain (no sigs)
☟︎ kakobrekla: keeping all the balance for all the addresses wont be that small.
kakobrekla: number of tx * avg number of in/outputs = ?
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 22:21:53; punkman: " the attacker is not able to forge new valid signatures, but Seifert’s attack allows the attacker to pass — with a certain probability — the signature verification step, for a message of her choice, by corrupting the public modulus"
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, maybe because in crypto the attacker is usually called Eve
mircea_popescu: eve's like one of maybe five people in the jewish cannon i'd consider hanging with
gernika: mod6 Built v0.5.4-TEST2 with rotor but can't run it on the system I built it on because: "-bash: ./bitcoind: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error." This is on gentoo built from stage3-i486-20150728.tar.bz2
trinque: gernika: anything interesting from dumpelf on the file?
gernika: trinque: Don't think so: ./bitcoind: file format elf64-x86-64
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00050864 = 13.2246 BTC [+]
gernika: Not sure if I accidentally built a 32 bit gentoo or what...
gernika: objdump: ./bitcoind: not a dynamic object
gernika: Well shit. Somehow I built 64 bit binaries on a 32 bit install of gentoo.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 23:40:28; mircea_popescu: 163 would imply a 512 bit key except iirc no key under 768 was even allowed ?
mircea_popescu: gernika it's a wonder they built, you had multilib installed for some reason ?
☟︎ gernika: mircea_popescu Yeah I did.
gernika: I guess I get to get more practice installing gentoo :)
mircea_popescu: very few people still use 32bit, might be interesting test case.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i dunno that any of the currently standing nodes are on 32 bit platforms
☟︎ trinque: gernika: there are knobs in buildroot for that
trinque: and also in rotor.sh, every mention of 64 must change
mircea_popescu: "Note: I am well aware that dynamic documents are a huge, gaping, ugly hole in the digital imprimatur scheme. I have not expended a great deal of effort thinking about ways to better secure such documents; I'm sure this issue will be explored in detail"
mircea_popescu: aka "note : my idiocy falls apart at hte most cursory examination, but i am the sort of dumb schmuck that aims to insulate himself from this by waving hands and weaving words, rather than a thninking person"
mircea_popescu: and before anyone wants to tell me the author has five concubines gifted by from cornell west and is widely respected by robed pamplonocrats or w/e : i dun give a shit kthx.
assbot: BitBet - BTC to top $350 before September :: 23.71 B (30%) on Yes, 54.46 B (70%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 21`395 (100`000 to 10`000) ... (
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TheNewDeal: I'm thinking of adding perhaps 2 days equivalent timeweight. Say weight it 21000, two days ago weight was 23600. I would accept your amount, and pay out on the timeweight two days prior, 23600. Terms negotiable
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40015 @ 0.00051334 = 20.5413 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 00:39:22; mircea_popescu: gernika it's a wonder they built, you had multilib installed for some reason ?
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 00:40:37; mircea_popescu: very few people still use 32bit, might be interesting test case.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 00:40:51; mircea_popescu: i dunno that any of the currently standing nodes are on 32 bit platforms
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 00:13:47; mircea_popescu: you end up with a pile of html files that would conceivably be smaller than the blockchain (no sigs)
decimation: asciilifeform: doesn't it seem more likely that there's something fucktarded about the sync code?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00050402 = 13.7597 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 23:40:28; mircea_popescu: 163 would imply a 512 bit key except iirc no key under 768 was even allowed ?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> grats, i guess ? o.O << hyuuuuahahaha
ben_vulpes: <TheNewDeal> a new deal of sorts << i will give you points for this even if nobody else will
assbot: Then and Now: Almost 10 Years of Intel CPUs Compared > Summing Up: Up to 11 Times the Performance - TechSpot ... (
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decimation: The 4690K is just 32% faster than the 760 in Excel, 25% faster in 7-Zip and just 17% on average when comparing gaming performance."
decimation: granted, there are measurements that show more improvement, but 4 years and 45-22nm buys you as little as 17% improvement
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: pgp.mit.edu was a gold mine for academic keys they may not have made the transition to sks. I retrieved manually though by schoool.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00051961 = 18.2383 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: SUPERMICRO MBD-H9SKV-420 Mini ITX Server Motherboard BGA 769 (FT3) AMD G-series SOC DDR3 1600 - Newegg.com ... (
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BingoBoingo: Damn, chip supposedly supports it, board doesn't
cazalla: BingoBoingo, why not dual nvdia titans for eulora?!
BingoBoingo: I'll prolly just wait for Eulora emacs edition. There's no source package floating around for cg toolkit so it won't openBSD unless I rip it out.
BingoBoingo put a bitcent against rousey tonight on a shitbook for the lulz
trinque: also, that's a pretty reasonable vow
BingoBoingo: trinque: I'm not watching if I hear it is interesting may acquire later. Otherwise, just liked the odds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45534 @ 0.00050402 = 22.95 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: I'm Ashley Barr, A.K.A "Adam Turner", the first Mt.Gox employee, and alleged DPR (:/). AMA : Bitcoin ... (
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BingoBoingo: decimation: I've been following it a bit, but I dunno how much to trust the source
BingoBoingo: By source I mean a long dead account on a social media site desperate for interactions
decimation: yeah, I would take with a big cube of salt
BingoBoingo: I just remember when the satosi@gmx.com email address was "revived"
a3voices: nothing specific, just looking for good channels
BingoBoingo: If you want to keep voice prolly best to register with assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38632 @ 0.00050402 = 19.4713 BTC [-]
a3voices: cool well now I have a pgp key for the first time
BingoBoingo: So, since everyone is apparently looking at db behavior in BTC now... A few hours ago I reset my BIOS clock back a full day. Rightly It refused to acknowledge blocks more than two hours into the future. Then I reset clock to be right. Client refused to correct itself all at once. However many block it scooped up in the verifying databases phase seems to be as far as it got before permawedgeing. Killing and restating fixed issue. B
BingoBoingo: ehavior was on 0.7.whyamIdoingthis and I lack any idea for making a better report. Also vodka. This is definitely an edgecase. Killing and restarting Bitcoin until verify database phase of startup ate all blocks on disk seems to have remedied issue.
BingoBoingo: Thing is at 368044 nao reports fully sync'd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00050377 = 17.7831 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: Test was not a planned test. Popped hard drive with weirdOS in laptop and it fucked BIOS clock.
BingoBoingo: No idea of impact on TheRealBitcoin if any
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.0005037 = 19.7702 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4181 @ 0.00052255 = 2.1848 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.0005379 = 9.3057 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: BingoBoingo, did ya bet for or against rousey?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Against, but just a Bitcent, learning moderation
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 00:40:26; mircea_popescu: you could just rebuild for your platform.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00053705 = 5.0483 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00052824 = 7.1312 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18566 @ 0.00050924 = 9.4545 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 01:30:55; asciilifeform: (which was, that www makes things very easy for the censor, much easier at any rate than rounding up 10,000 books to burn)
mircea_popescu: is it easier for censor to censor documents if documents are deliberately created in easy to censor ways ? sure.
mircea_popescu: is it easier for anti-censor to create documents in formats not easy to censor ? sure.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 01:32:00; asciilifeform: multilib not relevant!
mircea_popescu: obviously c will compile for anything. but not by itself!
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 01:47:14; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you still getting ^this on your nodes ?
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 02:11:18; asciilifeform: it also ~never~ happens between directly-connected nodes on my lan, for example.
mircea_popescu: euro housing costs ~1-2 keuro per sqmp! that's a fucking degree of magnitude.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00054026 = 22.0426 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i point and laugh at the locals six digit price delusions for real estate in the dead centre of ba.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00052554 = 10.5371 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00054773 = 13.6385 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just looked at online.net. nowhere does it advertise hosting illegal content. i'm not giving them any money.
mircea_popescu: to qualify for any payments, a host must prominently advertise hosting illegal content.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00055022 = 5.5847 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: where does phoenixnap do that pls show
mircea_popescu: in any case : i will not pay any isp that fails to advertise ignoring "law".
kakobrekla: i dont see phoenixnap doing it, so whatevs.
mircea_popescu: i am worried about living in a world which contains isps that follow "law"
mircea_popescu: and yes, it's a difficult principle to apply uniformly, and yes i don't universally managing atm. nevertheless, i'm not taking stuff back to the dumbass world. and yes i think it'd be just grand if everyone follows it wherever possible.
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 21:46:38; asciilifeform: i guess my red-hot doug lenat k001 w4r3z stays on kako's box, l0l
mircea_popescu: it's purely a pr thing. got to get people used to the idea that they MUST say they despise the usg.
mircea_popescu: none of this "people agree, rule of law, bla bla" nonsense any more.
mircea_popescu: people happen to agree alright, it's just the other way.
kakobrekla: dont worry, you can say its just too much css.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you're a nihilist. everything's ultimately based on nothing as fatr as you're concerned, if you're willing to take the time and look.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> it's purely a pr thing. got to get people used to the idea that they MUST say they despise the usg.// just the usg? lots of other places seem equally worthy of it
mircea_popescu: gotta get back to the good old 80s "if you follow the law you're unfuckable, an idiot and get lost"
mircea_popescu: lulz of today : if one googles for bulletproof hosting stuff in the last month, the first 5 results are this dumbass trendmicro "report", and the rest references to it. like : "A new report from TrendLabs -- the research arm of security company Trend Micro -- uncovers the existence of what it calls 'Bulletproof Hosting Services' (BPHSs) which provide"
mircea_popescu: fancy that, trendmicro discovered the hole in the donut!
mircea_popescu: 100% mainstream anywhere outside of "my mother had me with a retard" land.
mircea_popescu: how long it's been on is the largest factor for that metric.
assbot: How important are individual full nodes, and how much does it benefit the network per individual? : Bitcoin ... (
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did iirc, via gimp
trinque: asciilifeform: that thing's a bit jacked
trinque: split the results between the build dirs and the ourlibs dir
trinque: I'm going to give that thing a few more shoves today and see if I can get it all in one tree
ben_vulpes: i don't see any usage of anysubscribed at least, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's keep it simple. have you loaded the svg in gimp and examined the picture painted.
trinque: would be nice to grab a node and shake
trinque: so... what about those JS things
trinque: yeah, best to just have some layout algo make it readable
trinque: clicking collapsed nodes to expand might be helpful
trinque: would need a legend or bigger boxes
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 16:01:52; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf
http://paste.lisp.org/display/152828#1 << do forgive my ignorance, but what am i missing about converting the "command" into a string? (Adlai, asciilifeform, your eyes'd be appreciated too)
ben_vulpes: well how'd i know without putting myself up for the cane
ben_vulpes: this has come up before, and i had forgotten.
trinque: hm yeah, that's much cooler; it's a lot like you'd describe a grammar for a parser generator
ben_vulpes: (but ascii - i /can/ mutate in place, therefore i /must/!)
punkman: every ;;isup trilema.com feeds the troll
trinque: "Common Lisp is a big-city language. Spit out the hayseed, pronounce "shit" with one syllable and "shotgun" with two." << wahahaha
trinque: people who don't like "mean" people have no appreciation for comedy
mircea_popescu: well, it exists as a signed thing in the hands of the conference participants.
punkman: how do you pronounce shotgun with more/less syllables than two?
mircea_popescu: you're coming from tyhis weird place where we're all possessed of functioning brains here on this great internet and stuff. wtf.
mircea_popescu: they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: neither class wants to talk to you about it, for different reasons.
punkman: asciilifeform: did you email all of the already? I remember some mention of emails
mircea_popescu: you got one schmuck exercising his right to be idiotic is the sumall.
mircea_popescu: i'll take it a notch further : none of them had anything to sign. ever.
mircea_popescu: not.a.single.entry.on.your.list.ever.hand.any.legitimate.use.for.encryption.
mircea_popescu: it's a case of, 12 yo girly playing a game she doesn't understand with toys that aren't really toys. except online and with boys.
mircea_popescu: i bet you, dollars to donuts, that they signed it for "wouldn';t it be cool if" reasons. an d the thing doesn't actually work / is not full lengthj /.trivially defeated on some op sec hole or other.
mircea_popescu suddenly realised, sometimes last night, that the deep reason nothing works is simply that - all of it was made on a lark.
mircea_popescu: orly ? i thought he just dumps code someone emailed him intop the kernel.
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall some incident where precisely this happened.
mircea_popescu: anyway : there's this entire pretend culture, and it goes very deep. dunno how to properly illustrate it in its meta splendor.
mircea_popescu: case A : kid sees girl in bar. waits for moment when no-one's looking around 3am, kloinks her in the head with bottle, drags her dark alley outside, shreds her clothes and her virginity.
mircea_popescu: case B : kid sees girl in bar, works up his courage until 3am, eventually approaches her and explains that he's into kinky stuff. which works out, because she always dreamed about being raped, so they meet in dark alley and have some great sex.
mircea_popescu: and i posit that the entire fucking thing, "from the ground up", is B. all of it.
mircea_popescu: "hey, woiuldn't it be cool if you could like... encrypt shit ?" "why ?" "so you cxould be like... a secre agent!"
mircea_popescu: then they went about roleplaying their super-secret-agent kink for a while
trinque: sounds like the problem with letting most people define themselves on their own
mircea_popescu: possibly the last time anyone did anything for serious with computers was in tyhe 80s.
trinque: you're going to get fake representations out of most, if it cuts it with the people looking at them
mircea_popescu: since then, everyone's just been trying to salvage utility out of the kids' roleplaying
trinque: I was fumbling for that idea the other day re: internal representations of identity
mircea_popescu: the "industry", such as it is, is fucking google, holding hackathons
mircea_popescu: trying to feed themselves out of used condoms left behind in dark alleys
mircea_popescu: because i suspect you go by ops whereas i go by financials./
mircea_popescu: do not expect a girl with a collar is actually a slave - she probably thought it looks good for her facebook ; do not expect someone with a pgp key is a lord - they probably were just trying to impress someone.
shinohai: I should push a slackware release
trinque: is that poor guy still maintaining it?
trinque: jurov: how hard is it to dump maildir mail files from mailman?
trinque: I wrote a python script last night that turds together maildir mail from the txt dumps, but it's a hack at best
trinque: at least there are sigs; I don't really care about having identical mail headers to the originals
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6580 @ 0.00055022 = 3.6204 BTC [+]
jurov: in these parts most reactors reportedly run on win2k
jurov: trinque it's easy, if you're subscribed you can publish it yourself
jurov: i will, too. eventually.
trinque: jurov: I missed a bunch of messages due to that tls thing, so I'm trying to grab all those
trinque: that actually covers everything I needed, I think
mircea_popescu: <jurov> in these parts most reactors reportedly run on win2k << why not me while at it.
jurov: me is not properly certified
jurov: can't even imagine what noise would austrians do if a reactor nearby would be allowed to run on something homebrew
jurov: everything had to be modernized by siemens & co..
kakobrekla: >I cooked up a multi-user general ledger system based on this hardware in '79. My client was a rural Iowa accountant who (what a prophet!) was afraid of hacks, so he insisted it NOT be compatible with anything else on the planet. So, though NorthStar DOS was way ahead of it's time, I had to ditch it. I burned my own boot EPROMs, wrote the whole thing using Ashley's assembler. You just can't do that anymore.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5960 @ 0.00052554 = 3.1322 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: "Reportedly, Koko enjoys seeing human nipples and will request her female caregivers to show them to her on occasion. This has resulted in sexual harassment lawsuits by caregivers who have felt pressured by Patterson to show their nipples to Koko against their will. Attorney Jody Weiner, who previously represented KoKo in licensing agreements, writes that he should have recognized warning signs of a sex scandal. "
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Nope. Jericho it turns out is not actually Cecil's brother. CNN is just listening to any crank who calls in.
shinohai: I had hoped you could churn out another story based on that xD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2949 @ 0.001135 = 3.3471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11565 @ 0.00052268 = 6.0448 BTC [-]
mod6: <asciilifeform> interestingly, incitatus synced and stayed synced today << ahh ok, thanks for the heads up
shinohai: I m syncing the dark side's wallet, keeps crashing with CDB: Error -30974, can't open database
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract << this is actually a pretty great idea. and then run iterations over the thing until stable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> so it would have to be very clean to justify losing search << technically speaking, needing "search" is a symptom that you've not yet learned it.
☟︎ decimation: 17:42 <+jurov> everything had to be modernized by siemens & co.. < jurov, but why does 'modernize' mean 'run on winblows 2k?'
decimation: where's the german alternative to microsoft?
mircea_popescu: siemens is "german" in the sense tsipras is "greek" and so on. absolutely nothing to do.
☟︎☟︎ decimation: agilent - runs spectrum analyzers on winblows. rohde & schwarz - same
decimation: it's not like they sell enough of them for 'people to come to expect'
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 19:59:28; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> so it would have to be very clean to justify losing search << technically speaking, needing "search" is a symptom that you've not yet learned it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re punkman's reddit link - the tards miss the fruit and focus on the pit of that thing, as usual.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (or even valid in a block) << they are not valid. they are spendable for reasons that have to do with what the protocol says, ie, unintentionally.
jurov: decimation: perhaps you missed how my info how gigawatts of steam turbines are simulated and projected ... in excel
jurov: (i mean, when they are installed, hopefully not when they are built. but not sure on that, either)
mircea_popescu: or my info as to how the entire fucking house of cards came down chiefly bewcause some idiots were doing copula calculations
mircea_popescu: (gauss copula, look into that sometime. if you want "pseudoscience that burned the world", global warming's nothing, witch hunts are nothing, this thing ruioned trillions)
jurov: um..er.. how is half of europe gonna get a whiff of pdp?
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 20:02:14; mircea_popescu: siemens is "german" in the sense tsipras is "greek" and so on. absolutely nothing to do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your idea of nuke plants is more akin to a UP's big boy control hatch. this is not how they work, whole shit's run in java these days. for that matter - remember the recent airbus which had all 4 engines stop because counter smash issues ?
mircea_popescu: i tell you. there are no professionals left. all children posing for the mirror.
mircea_popescu: a world of play-pretend like they're adults and doing things
jurov: and i strongly suspect the computers of yore aren't what alf imagines, either. have them eat a text with arbitrary linelengths and see
assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 03:39:28; decimation: asciilifeform: I have a friend who is an old graybeard EE, been working on actual circuitry since the 80's
assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 03:40:09; decimation: he said recently a sea change has come with kids coming out of school; they want to specify massive cpu, memory for very simple micro-controllers so they can run java
chetty: feed the computer anything, with front panel switches
jurov: all out email and else woes are due to text originally defined as "interspersed by cr in shorter intervals than any buffer wherever gets() is used"
jurov: all else is binary by definition
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is actually the correct definition of "text" for computing.
decimation: you guys realise we are gonna have to respecify email too right?
jurov: asciilifeform: and your pdp example is?
decimation: mircea_popescu: sounds good to me. file transfer a .txt
mircea_popescu: imagine if every so often i had to click here to see if there's new lines
decimation: actually you could argue that 'email' as a concept is 'let's pretend we are working at the post office'
decimation: not 'let's build a system for reliably transmitting information'
mircea_popescu: it had its importance selling technology to the retards.
mircea_popescu: but other than that, it's as useful as "wysiwyg" or "point and click" or "just works!"
mircea_popescu: nonsensical gimmicks of the ilk of "stop fucking your sister or else santa won't bringf you presents" and "eat your veggies so you can overpower your sister and stick it in her"
decimation: much of it stems from "need to hustle to make money, use what's on the shelf and make it fit"
decimation: I was watching a 'banking' show on the BBC the other day. it featured a young afghan who managed to make it from goat-fuck-stan to the uk welfare state
decimation: he complained that in afghanistan, everything is free - but people are poor and live in mud huts. they envy the english for their warm houses &etc. but now he works 12 hour days to try to make rent, pay bills - and never has time to enjoy his warm house
decimation: yeah, it would be interesting for someone to interview people exactly like this: grew up orc, came to 'first world'
decimation: later in the episode he managed to somehow get an offer from the uk govt - he could buy his flat for 20k pounds
decimation: but the minimum loan from the bank is 25k
decimation: he was like 'what am I gonna do with an extra 9k and I have to pay interest!"
decimation: the rest of the show featured idiots with 25k credit card balances trying 'refinance'
decimation: yeah you could tell the guy was disappointed with his situation
decimation: somehow people from Eritrea are convinced that if they only make it to the uk they can supports their entire families!
decimation: not realizing the complete chumpatron they are entering
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:36:46; asciilifeform: 'hot', in this case, being the world of the coolie, and 'cold' being the world he aspires to enter (or at least send his children to, oxbridge and harvaprinceyaleton)
jurov: yet no one goes back to afganistan
decimation: east coast cities swelled with immigrants trying to get some monies
decimation: but at least at that time they could buy a cheap farm in kansas
mircea_popescu: decimation> yeah, it would be interesting for someone to interview people exactly like this: grew up orc, came to 'first world' << ie, half of romania under 50yo.
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mircea_popescu: and re the myth of the west, there was that trilema article linked from a recent one, "florida and other places".
mircea_popescu: jurov actually plenty of people do go back to afghanistan.
mircea_popescu: heck, 50% of the 1st generation immigrants return home with the loot, marry and live there.
mircea_popescu: which is ~why~ the libertard open border stuff doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for as long as china takes the coupons...
decimation: it stands a prayer of working if someone gets nothing for 'just showing up'
decimation: but that implies nobody gets paid just to exist
mircea_popescu: because the people you want don't want you, and the people you want you nobody wants.
decimation: yeah, there's some raw human truth there
mircea_popescu: there hasn't yet in the history of mankind been a wealth marriage that was happy. and "free immigraton" is notexceptional just because large.
decimation: some politicians suggesting that maybe it's not good to import africa wholesale in one generation isn't such a great idea
decimation: of course they are hateful racists for suggesting it
jurov: is there any successful example of resisting immigration?
mircea_popescu: there's no resisting immigration. vienna fell. byzantium fell.
trinque: that's the economic side's fault
mircea_popescu: the idea that immigration is the problem is braindamage of the level of thinking the maggots made the corpse.
mircea_popescu: somehow the immigrants weren't the problem back when azns were washing gold miner's shirts for a penny
mircea_popescu: and the irish fought the blacks for who's gonna polish knob tonight
mircea_popescu: they like live flesh about as much as you like birdshit.
mircea_popescu: "the humans sometimes feast on the bird shit". i guess ?
mircea_popescu: is this more jenkem journalism from the jenkem journals ?
mircea_popescu: (for the obvious reason - what do you think earth is after all. microorganism digested shit)
decimation: re:immigrants -> it seems to me that there is a difference between "we have empty land that someone could show up and till" and "one more derp could survive on the scraps here"
mircea_popescu: decimation the difference is whether you run pinkerton or welfare.
mircea_popescu: most of classical london consisted of a majority of "recyclers".
mircea_popescu: and a minority of tradesmen, moving goods on an abstract mercator map
decimation: now we are too rich to care, apparently, just dig up more fossilized shit
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2014 01:03:00; asciilifeform: 'Industry is the only true source of wealth, and there was no industry in Rome. By day the Ostia road was crowded with carts and muleteers, carrying to the great city the silks and spices of the East, the marble of Asia Minor, the timber of the Atlas, the grain of Africa and Egypt; and the carts brought nothing out but loads of dung. That was their return cargo. London turns dirt into gold. Rome turne
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "as was the case with this one." << link missing ?
mircea_popescu: "the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia authorized a search warrant" << for the record, this is not how it works. a judge authorises it, and im nary too enchanted by this tendency of individuals to hide behind imaginary shields.
decimation: asciilifeform: was thinking about that 'pcb card' problem. what if you terminated each trace into its own tank circuit, and then 'probed' the circuit with a vna?
decimation: each tank would resonate at a particular frequency, or not, if trace is not blown. could terminate into bnc
mircea_popescu: if you're going to do this why not measure inductance/harmonics/etc.
decimation: yeah that's what I'm suggesting (complex impedance - part of which is inductance)
decimation: if one is clever, one could make the tank circuit out of pure pcb trace, making it cheaper. 'crosstalk' could be a problem though
jurov: inb4 "multilevel ROM" by placing resistors
decimation: yeah but placing/removing components is a pain and expensive
mircea_popescu: what would be really great would be if your thing could somehow be made out of glass
mircea_popescu: so you know... some people generate their keys at the firing range. some people have a designated bat. some people make a new key after each domestic argument/divorce
decimation: asciilifeform: sure, but those could be managed
decimation: I get it, but I just wanna store some values, not compute derivatives
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just an exotic way to rng, is in the end what he was trying to build
decimation: could make a lichtenberg figure key and use a camera to distill down into bits
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I was thinking about generating key in a seperate machine and then 'hand-carving' the pcb to store key
decimation: I'm thinking about ways to manage key material that involve physical devices that can be inspected
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "as was the case with this one." << link missing ? << That's a cazalla
decimation: asciilifeform: well, also I want to be reliable
decimation: oh I thought they used 6502 like everyone else
decimation: yeah the 'secret sauce' of the commadore was the video chip
decimation: based on that 'bil herd' interview, it sounds like the board designers and chip designers worked in same building, with fab!
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decimation: true. people who wanted 'adult' computers in the 80's, had
decimation: yeah my dad paid about $1500 in 1989 dollars for x86 pc... 'epson apex'
☟︎ mod6: All: I've put some steps together for installing ubuntu 10.04 & debian 6.0.10
mod6: I've tested installing the iso's indicated on a VM and went through my own steps 2x (once for each OS)
mod6: if someone with some spare time can validate my findings that would be great -- these are just the first two of a number of these that need to be discovered/defined
shinohai: mod6: I'll do a confirm this week.
shinohai: I haven't got to build that latest yet though, still fails on boost every time.
mod6: no, not since i couldn't get it to build before. i'll try it again this coming week for sure.
mod6: asciilifeform: ok, thanks. so noted.
mod6: i.e. I dont have to rebuild the buildroot & "universe" every time I want to add a patch, just rebuild 'stator'.
decimation: you only really need to rebuild bitcoind if that's what you patched
decimation: just make sure you are using the correct paths
mod6: yeah, i was trying to say this: <+decimation> you only really need to rebuild bitcoind if that's what you patched
decimation: one nice thing about 'rotor' system: only one choice of build environment
mod6: i like the allure of this.
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williamdunne: jurov: What would you like on the Eurola website? Starting out with clisp so I'll see if I can get that done as my hello world project
jurov: marketplace with orders managed from irc
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform: maybe discernable with better lcov output too?
trinque: the lcov stuff would probably be more helpful with a battery of tests run upon it such as mod6 has discussed
trinque: yeah, true, this would call for static analysis to know it can be cut
jurov: doesn't openssl use function pointers?
jurov: just asking, i wouldn't put it past them
williamdunne: jurov: I'm not sure how long I'll be around for, but if you drop me a doc outlining what you want I'll have a look at it tomorrow
jurov: williamdunne: eventually.
punkman: asciilifeform: all works of man are either 'fits in head' or 'pile of shit', no exceptions << don't some things require more than a single head?
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 19:07:33; mircea_popescu: look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work.
kakobrekla: The BIOS in many personal computers stores the date and time in BCD because the MC6818 real-time clock chip used in the original IBM PC AT motherboard provided the time encoded in BCD. < heh
kakobrekla: compatible with the pyramids or what was it
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 21:15:16; decimation: yeah my dad paid about $1500 in 1989 dollars for x86 pc... 'epson apex'
mircea_popescu: or 120k of the romanian lei of the time. 50 or so salaries.
mircea_popescu: heh Luke-Jr fighting a loser's battle with his "bitcoin core" matters twu faith.
mircea_popescu: hey midnightmagic ask me things about things will you.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 22:00:29; jurov: marketplace with orders managed from irc
mircea_popescu: if jurov finally gets a proper chat system built in, and we have a chat bot that does auction lists etc...
mircea_popescu: eulora is suddenly more advanced than the state of new york.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222669 << the problem is this : you have to verify old blocks. all of them, al lthe way to genesis. if you do not, for whatever reason, you are on an alt. and if you're going to make an alt, better make it properly and deliberately rather than the idiot woman "i had too much too drink so things happened" approach.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 22:11:06; asciilifeform: jurov: his position, if you recall, is that we are more or less stuck with the turds forever.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, naggum's via alf point re complexity being usually and generally as a safe bet the result of someone missing the thinkboat certainly stands resplendent on its own feet.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 22:53:44; asciilifeform: because wat if you have a 386, aha.
mircea_popescu: every generation has this, an overpowering, indomitable reason why the previous one fails to matter.
mircea_popescu: for kids born in the 80s when talking to their parents it's "shut the fuck up, you fucked women in a single hole your entire life"
mircea_popescu: and it stands. no man can look you in the face past that, for he's a sort of a toy.
mircea_popescu: but it goes all the way to the fucking celts, you knoiw, "you never had iron tools. everything you say, and everything you think you mean or stand for is therefore invalid"
mircea_popescu: it's not fucking magic, yo. utterance is not the glue that makes it stick.
mircea_popescu: the reason you can not see the substance of the future should be apparent.
kakobrekla: It seems that evolution had not merely selected the best code for the task, it had also advocated those programs which took advantage of the electromagnetic quirks of that specific microchip environment. The five separate logic cells were clearly crucial to the chip’s operation, but they were interacting with the main circuitry through some unorthodox method < heh
kakobrekla: 'Furthermore, the final program did not work reliably when it was loaded onto other FPGAs of the same type.' < fun
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hanbot: sounds like what asciilifeform was talking about.