deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/heres-what-polyamory-is-not/ << Trilema - Here's what "polyamory" is not :
mircea_popescu: basically this wikipedian wankster thing seems to be a major-ish neet subculture. evidently under the whole chems thing, or guns, or "baptist"ism / most other first echelon things. but perhaps large enough to make 2nd tier, with post-punk, petaism, and so forth. a sort of mirror-knitting subculture, i guess.
asciilifeform: dunno that 'subculture' is the word. sorta like calling syphilis a subculture
mircea_popescu: syphilis very much was a subculture.
asciilifeform: then this also
mircea_popescu: diseases are in fact the best framework for conceptualizing subcultures -- that's what they are, broken people. broken how is relatively uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: but the girl who genuinely believes her little village is everything and being a dairy maid is the be all (great little novel about this, with nobleman who married dairy maid, ended up making the dutchess a... dairy) is not substantially different from the guy who thinks mercury salts will right him.
mircea_popescu: they both have little rituals associated, consume information cooked a certain way FOR IT BEING THUS COOKED and not for other reasons, and so following.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/05/4-months-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - 4 Months In Montevideo
mircea_popescu: oh, oh, look, there's even a bit of mittelamerica in there! "I came home from my tour in the US Army in the Middle East. I have only been back two months. My wife and I have three children. We have been married for ten years. I came back and Sarah had changed. Didn’t want anything to do with me. This is typical for returning Veterans so I figured it would just take time. Fast forward to now, I just discovered, she has been
mircea_popescu: recruited as a “unicorn” by a Neurologist at a hospital in town. She abandoned me and our middle child who has Autism. She took the youngest and oldest boy and they are considered now Mitch’s children. So, excuse me if I can’t be open minded enough to understand this. I don’t. It hurts incredibly bad and I don’t understand how a doctor, with a wife and six children, could steal my wife and try to take my children."
asciilifeform: !#s dependopotamus
a111: 20 results for "dependopotamus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dependopotamus
asciilifeform: and wtf is to be 'recruited as unicorn'
asciilifeform: in other noose, liftoff on rockchip-cum-usb3-ssd
asciilifeform: ( boots from sd, mounts root on usb3 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "unicorn" in context is the traditional soubrette : young woman eager to [sexually, and otherwise] please both master and mistress.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: supposedly these are rare. i imagine for the sort of dweebs that spew all this maculature they would be.
asciilifeform: phunphakt for trinque : apparently something inside current-day portage re-package.mask's gcc <5 'for your own good' on every (?) --sync , leaving it to be unmasked manually.
asciilifeform: ye olde 'These old versions of toolchain packages (binutils, gcc, glibc) are no longer officially supported and are not suitable for general use. Using these packages can result in build failures (and possible breakage) for many packages, and may leave your system vulnerable to known security exploits' nonsense.
mircea_popescu: you know, the "terribly high status male" in the googlvnoye upgradleniye lagerei.
mircea_popescu: o look, the dgerard fellow also makes an appearance! lel.
mircea_popescu: this whole thing's tiny, basically the wank of ~one campus.
asciilifeform: https://mindsarentmagic.org/2016/07/18/expressing-computable-ordinals-as-programs << stolen , with 0 attribution, from chaitin
mircea_popescu: i think they call this research.
asciilifeform: ahahahayes
mircea_popescu: it's really not anything but 15yo turning in wikipedia article.
asciilifeform: 'EDIT 2017-10-28: DO NOT DO THIS! Dropbox have changed their API, and Netmemo has failed to update to use the new one. I emailed the developer and got no response. Don’t use Netmemo Plus. I want a button on my Android phone that drops voice notes into my GTD inbox.'
asciilifeform: loox like a specimen of... homo kanzureicus
asciilifeform: 'Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction. .... This book is essential reading for all thinking people. I’m not going to write a new review here—I think the existing reviews do it justice...' << bahahawat
mircea_popescu: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WX6kWkAKsESoD4yrf/misery-pits << o look who came back from the dead, also. chick famous for "i'll sign prenup to have all my kids paternity-checked because i'm just too much of a cum dumpster to know otherwise" / being the ~only sexually active female in this coven of "polyamory", absent since the last time we heard of this whole thing.
asciilifeform: and of course 'Big life change ahead: in March, I, Jess, and our two cats will be renting out our London flat and moving to California’s San Francisco Bay Area for two years!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh hey it's the 'my cunt is offended and redpillists are hereby unofficially banned from the forum' critter
mircea_popescu: sadly i'm too lazy to translate http://trilema.com/2010/familia-traditionala-versus-harem-studiu-comparativ/ ; but the comments are pretty riotous. sampler : "in closing, permit me to inform you that i've taken a shit into one of those cups you drink jeebus blood from, in some church somewhere, as well as washed my cock post-ejaculation in one of those water holders somewhere in some other church. but i'm not going to mention
mircea_popescu: which exactly, so you can live from now on in the full serenity of knowing that it's perfectly possible you've been kissing my ass a number of times to date. all the best."
mircea_popescu: actually, fuck that, i have to transalte it, willy nilly.
asciilifeform: another interesting... character reappears in $thread , 'cousin_it' << iirc , a ru d00d, who was what passed for intellectual backbone of the lw forum until formally expelled for -- iirc -- pissing on the 'roko's basilisk' chix
mircea_popescu: talk about absent options ;/.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine the way that works is "about one third of the class of phds hanging about mass campuses".
mircea_popescu: exactly like drama class in highschool.
mircea_popescu: so maybe his phd / patience with the idiocy ran out.
asciilifeform: something ran out. at any rate i did not expect to see him return to same heathenpit
asciilifeform: 'This post is literally the sort of thing trigger warnings were invented for' << elsewhere in $link
asciilifeform: from earlier $entomo-specimen, https://mindsarentmagic.org/2015/08/06/as-an-aside-something-should-be-done-about-drones << 'something should be done!111'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform maxed dosimeter, goes back to wurk
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: beetlejuice is suffering gainful employment writing java for the time being
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: ... congrats . asciilifeform did a ~2yr sentence of java mine
gabriel_laddel: managed to kill a x220 circuit board by swapping the screen to another, identical while machine was running. is this the sort of thing to 'fry' circuitry, and as a general rule I suppose no life fire electronics around CPUs?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: lvds i/o typically dun have antistatic diodes
asciilifeform: given as it doesn't expect to be fingered
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i gotta ask, what possessed you to do it with box switched on
ben_vulpes: is that the difficult-to-replace version?
ben_vulpes: and yeah, what asciilifeform said. also hola beetlejuice
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik the 220 is a cheapo and plentiful rubbish box
gabriel_laddel: wanted to know how ready-for-anything people are making electronics nowdays, seeing as I know literally nothing about hardware. ben_vulpes hola & idk, never soldered anything before so should be fun
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu American Honey review, or totally unwatchable?
mircea_popescu: mmm
mircea_popescu: torrentmaster has no recollection ; possibly was never found.
asciilifeform: trinque, other gentooists : another interesting discovery : portage has a hard ( but wholly imho spurious ) dependency on working system clock
ben_vulpes: these turds you dig up, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: hey this is 1st time i gentooated a box with no batteried clocks
asciilifeform: ( keep in mind, this box is cheaper than mircea_popescu's cigar )
ben_vulpes: oh i know, still amazed
gabriel_laddel: lobbes http://mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm is why Uncle Al is known, though the rest of his work is great. There are 2-3 other pages that go along with it if you really dig
gabriel_laddel: also http://yarchive.net/
trinque: asciilifeform: huh, what'd it care about in particular?
trinque: "onoes trying to replace file that claims newer on fs when updating?"
asciilifeform: trinque: bombs with 'downloaded file is newer than current time' or something to that effect
asciilifeform: i.e. 'fuckyou terrorist, seems you ain't running ntp'
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: bug of the we-put-that-there variety aha
trinque: ohey gabriel_laddel lives
trinque: good evening
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793445 << yep, they put the smoker's warning label on it☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 00:29 asciilifeform: phunphakt for trinque : apparently something inside current-day portage re-package.mask's gcc <5 'for your own good' on every (?) --sync , leaving it to be unmasked manually.
asciilifeform: trinque: the interesting part is that it comes back ~after repeated manual removal~ somehow
asciilifeform: ( exactly how -- i did not yet unearth )
trinque: later it'll do same, but clang vs gcc
asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised there is any gcc left in'ere
asciilifeform: evidently 'ministry of plenty' behind schedule
trinque: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Clang#Clang_environments << hey you can test the glorious future today
asciilifeform: reminds me, i was in a train station, and everywhere there were billboards pushing 'milk of the future'(tm)(r), made --no, not from soy even -- but recycled peas.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's '80s acorn coffee 'nervously smokes in the corner' compared to this
ben_vulpes: recycled? what even
asciilifeform: well what else to call it
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: !#s nechezol
a111: 0 results for "nechezol", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nechezol
mircea_popescu: ^ ceausescu's "coffee" made of burnt rye.
asciilifeform: ah the oats one
asciilifeform: acorns were german
mircea_popescu: "a necheza" = to neigh ; -ol, chemical.
asciilifeform: lolnotbad
asciilifeform: in other noose, ~143MB/s avg. reads , ~33MB/s writes, on samsung usb3 stick ( vs ~20 / 15 on sd prior )
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/traditional-family-vs-the-harem-a-comparative-study/ << Trilema - Traditional family vs the harem, a comparative study
mircea_popescu: !!up MTW
deedbot: MTW voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the girls make almond milk ocasionally.
lobbes: aha ty for teh link gabriel_laddel
douchebag: !!up MTW
deedbot: MTW voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: Yo MTW
douchebag: Hows it going ?
asciilifeform: in other noose : 52 minutes for complete kernel build for rockchip, on itself.
asciilifeform: which imho is notbad.
mircea_popescu: indeed.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/duterte-receives-support-from-russia-and-china-as-usg-state-spurns-another-longtime-ally/ << Qntra - Duterte Receives Support From Russia And China As USG.STATE Spurns Another Longtime Ally
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/intel-kills-internet-of-shit-remote-management-app-after-realizing-security-model-broken/ << Qntra - Intel Kills Internet Of Shit Remote Management App After Realizing Security Model Broken
asciilifeform: !!up MDude
deedbot: MDude voiced for 30 minutes.
MDude: Now to remember the thing I was going to say roughly five seconds before joining the channel.
BingoBoingo: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
MDude: Hey, I'm a police offic-*rining from my concealed earpiece:"SHIT, DAMNIT, HE'S TRYING TO TRICK YOU."*
MDude: Anyway, I think there were a few things I was thinking of for a bit, one of them being gopher://vernunftzentrum.de/0/ckeen/ciy-manifesto.txt .
ben_vulpes: a gopher link, how retro-hip
asciilifeform: this, i think, is a first
MDude: Yeah, if that manages to go anywhwere, it'd be neat if making your own gopher browser and server would be a part of it.
trinque: what brings you MDude, other than itchy-stump need for in-group signaling?
phf: oblig http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
TomServo: I fell down the gopherhole after phf mentioned it.. came across a pseudo-tmsr 'bitreich'.
trinque: !!up MDude
deedbot: MDude voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: MDude: don't pm me; I don't know you
trinque: last chance to say something that isn't word salad.
asciilifeform: TomServo: lol, just how comically idiot was the parody-tmsr ? do they use dsa keys, kept in keybase ? their mp is bulgarian ? their linux -- rathead ?
phf: asciilifeform: http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?a=gopher%3A%2F%2Fbitreich.org
phf: they are more of a suckless spinoff
TomServo: asciilifeform: perhaps I've been too generous... perhaps.. phf has it.
asciilifeform: 'The gopher onion initiative started.' << lol!
asciilifeform: ( from 'chronology' pg )
asciilifeform: good bit of uniturd orcacola glypholade in this supposed 'suckless' www.
trinque: well christ, they have a manifesto right there at the top.
trinque: heil bitler
asciilifeform: http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?gopher://bitreich.org:70/0/documents/bitreich-manifesto.md << >> https://www.oglaf.com/humans
lobbes: "
lobbes: These principles can change, based on the consent of the bitreich elite. " oh. Okay. Phew
lobbes: Daw, they even got their own freenode channels.
TomServo: Yup, they are not interesting.
trinque: #bitreich-cooking
TomServo: I expect MP will love "Software should be written for programmers, which means the code is the documentation,"
TomServo: Wasn't that the power ranger response to MP request to specify bitcoin?
phf: asciilifeform: all these projects are plan9 cargo cults, so there's always going to be utf-8
mircea_popescu: is plan9 somehow deeply related to unicrap, or is it rather they're the sort of geeky dweebs unlikely to ~not~ swallow the imperial hook all the way to the sinker ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plan9 was the full syphilitic bloom of 'second system disease' of the unix authors
phf: mircea_popescu: utf-8 specifically was invented by rob pike for plan9
phf: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/utf-8-history.txt
mircea_popescu: o hey, i didn't know that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for your peace of mind, i intend to publish qntra report once mpex proxies back online, seems rather silly otherwise. not forgotten or mothballed or anything.
phf: /rob pike/ken thompson/
mircea_popescu: i always thought plan9 is this hipster wankish thing ; didn't realise it played the role of noldbug ie official-inca-alternative-for-smart-retards
asciilifeform: it did -- in 1990s. today afaik mostly buried and fertilizing that forest from below
mircea_popescu: check that out, doods who can promise monday delivery for utf-8 on wednesday night, AND THEN DELIVER IT MONDAY. but what they spend their time is utf. holy hell that place.
phf: MDude: are you c-keen?
MDude: No.
mircea_popescu: lol bitreich.
mircea_popescu: "we". what fucking "we."
MDude: I've just gone by MDude/MDude1350 most places until recently, when I started taking up the handle Meticulac.
asciilifeform: https://i.warosu.org/data/vr/img/0031/32/1460407763055.jpg << asciilifeform's head association with 'c keen'
mircea_popescu: MDude "most places" is not something. stop giving summaries, stop talking around the point. either produce something specific or stfu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 98% ? that's... impressive.
phf: asciilifeform: https://mastodon.social/@ckeen
mircea_popescu: ahahaha i though that was a metaphore.
MDude: I was answering the question, but if you want to see what other specific places I've been there's https://meticulac.tumblr.com/find-me .
mircea_popescu: MDude things you've done is a point of interest. places you've been... unless you have naked chicks in the streets of the czech republic / parks of buenos aires / dunes of egypt etc, no.
mircea_popescu: "Home to 146,998 users Who authored 5,033,248" << whoa, this is way the fuck tinier than previously realised. for ALL. THE. NOISE. people have been making about how it's "up and coming" since at least 2-3 years ago...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793562 << it's like a whitepaper see, except on gopher all paper is white.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:38 trinque: well christ, they have a manifesto right there at the top.
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'rockchip' turns out is a completely usable and clean gentoo station. can be used as workstation also, if not in a hurry. ( running 100% asciilifeform-recipe gentoo, albeit not musltronic; running also self-built kernel; no eggogs, hiccups, good disk access times. the 1 item not yet built with own hands: uboot init thing )
asciilifeform: also learned that there exists a rockchip laptop, of sorts, 'asus c101pa', but i do not have one here , if someone has the time/inclination he can try it.
danielpbarron: !!rate trinque 2 deedbot maintainer
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4w6bw/?raw=true
danielpbarron: !!v 3BABC480263E30575E526C762D1FAD2DCD10B18ABFEED59ABA7FE6B951F331AE
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of trinque from 1 to 2 << deedbot maintainer
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the lulzy tales : late last night i went into girl's room cuz i couldn't sleep and wanted to play. she was asleep. she woke up startled, and then i could see panic grip her. and i was you know, all "don't worry baby, you're not in trouble, there's nothing wrong" and she was looking at me with these big and growing eyes and turning progressively whiteer.
mircea_popescu: eventually she was awake enough to remember ~she had put earplugs in~ because went to sleep while place still active, and ~that was why~ she couldn't hear a word i was saying.
danielpbarron: !!rate mod6 4 pizarro isp, bitcoin foundation
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TCOhS/?raw=true
danielpbarron: !!v 50ADBC968EC616580B82F8AFD912E796BEA696844B33B54BB73936FCDE7339F9
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of mod6 from 3 to 4 << pizarro isp, bitcoin foundation
danielpbarron: !!rate BingoBoingo 3 pizarro isp, qntra chief editor
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vLYLe/?raw=true
danielpbarron: !!v 790DF80AC138CD35C12C4F8A796A0275B384770CF8510D2B4C69223F0D3A8DE8
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 << pizarro isp, qntra chief editor
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793340, yes I realized last night, I've been working on fixing it. I found the first problem, now onto the next (etc.)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 20:22 asciilifeform: ave1: your gnat builder barfs 40 minutes in, incidentally, with the following death : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ftgUL/?raw=true ( last n lines )
danielpbarron: !!rate hanbot 4 lighting the fire under republican asses
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/H10dn/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793578 << Kinda what I figured. I remember last time the proxies went on strike there were forensics involved. Most of my worries atm concern being surrounded by the sort of Rustic so called salt of the earth Italians that they put in the background of Gringo tourism marketing☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:50 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for your peace of mind, i intend to publish qntra report once mpex proxies back online, seems rather silly otherwise. not forgotten or mothballed or anything.
ave1: btw, turns out AdaCore have implemented support for crapple IOS (arm 64 + macho) in their gcc, this cannot be found in fsf gcc's. But needs #ifs and #ifdefs, one line was #ifdef MACHO_TARGET, but should have been #if.
ave1: macho -> mach-o
mircea_popescu: lmao
danielpbarron: !!v D839A92777D9E2704A7D07BC0B17666D9D6385F98EE7B69A4178AA5EFED86414
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of hanbot from 3 to 4 << lighting the fire under republican asses
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, lma-o
danielpbarron: !!rate esthlos 2 met for sushi
asciilifeform: ave1: abolishing the standard library would make it quite painless to port gnat to anything to which gcc already has a backend. but as it is, the existence of crappla gnat doesn't help us any, the abi is completely different
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XE0fv/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Battery life on the rockchip portable looks VERY appealing
danielpbarron: !!v 36010E95C24B73DA9130FEF7175ACF7593F0CD6461538209A990DF703CBA80F3
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of esthlos from 3 to 2 << met for sushi
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: keep in mind that the figure claimed concerns the included turdroid or whatever it comes with. in practice we do not know whether proper linux would work similarly. somebody will have to try.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The figure claimed leaves lots of room for comfort
ave1: asciilifeform, yes I know, I've not tried to separate AdaCore's ada from AdaCore's gcc backend (to FSF gcc backend). AdaCore's gcc backend has significant canges from FSF. As this would be an interesting experiment, I will put it on the list (other thing to do, is put Ada 2017 on top of gcc 4.9.4 instead of 7.x)
BingoBoingo: Also apparently Uruguay has tornados now https://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/sociedad/tromba-sorprendio-manana-rambla.html
BingoBoingo: Last one here was in 2016 out in Rocha where the lobos marinos live
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/medicine-tactics/ << Trilema - Medicine Tactics
trinque: wahaha, that's pretty good.
TomServo: I can't believe I guessed correctly what she meant before the reveal. Namespace dyslexia somehow clued me.
ben_vulpes: #bitreich-en derping endlessly about with xml
mircea_popescu: o this is a thing ?
ben_vulpes: aha
mircea_popescu: o look, bitreich con!
mircea_popescu: bwahaha.
ben_vulpes: called our logs "insane" and "good source of entropy" if you can imagine the cheek
hanbot: latest in mp-wp saga: spyked's patch on vtools let me gpr build the phf's patcher and vdiff, latter of which made a genesis, former of which dies on pressing wiff: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2IVPp/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how'd they have seen such logs ?
ben_vulpes: i linked 'em
mircea_popescu: is c-keen character the candidate mp i nthe space then ?
ben_vulpes: __20h__ parades as such
ben_vulpes: "This is forbidden and will be punished." in response to my asking if they kept logs
asciilifeform: == 'only usg logs us, and we like it' ?
ben_vulpes: yeah effectively.
mircea_popescu: hey, what do kids know.
BingoBoingo: How many men has the bitreich sent south to carve out their safe space?
mircea_popescu: "<Evil_Bob> C-Keen: read the fucking backlog, im not going to repeat myself" lol. perhaps the idea is that one's required to maintain connection as a show of loyalty. a soert of "mining" if you will.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes my read is that __20h__ is ~bob beck in the outfit.
mircea_popescu: the way dept of state "think tanks" imagine creating "moderate rebel" leadership works is you have a fake one to protect the real one like a skirting.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it strikes me how strictly identical to early urbit this thing is. same sort of socialist revolution aggitated "building the future" can barely contain selves on chair sorta vibe.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793557 << a yeah, codemadness dood is there.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:35 phf: they are more of a suckless spinoff
mircea_popescu: https://lists.suckless.org/dev/1609/30538.html for archival lulz.
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rjtFr/?raw=true << lolz. teh usg is very, very affraid, made EVEN COOLER alt-tmsr!!! it'll work as well as all the cooler bitcoins it made to date NO DOUBT1!11
ben_vulpes: aaand a doubleban
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A9A1R/?raw=true << logs from before mircea_popescu showed up
mircea_popescu: pretty sure they know who we are, in the very strict sense of "i've spent my past six months having nightmares with these doods"
BingoBoingo: Well, scared enough Bloomberg is hailing the arrival of Soros to "crypto" today
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's amusing how http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#selection-117.0-121.619 still very much applies. so basically what, they're going to fragment the republic into little irrelevant shards full of really stuborn / ingroup-loyal otakus as a path to survival ? lulzk.
mircea_popescu: this bright okhrana idea resulted in a very shot tsar.
BingoBoingo: It worked when they did it to the black panthers
mircea_popescu: the black panthers were black.
BingoBoingo: Punchline
asciilifeform: 'we'll breed 9000 mircea_popescus out of fungal broth and no one will ever find his way to the original one! genius'
mircea_popescu: the problem with idiocy is that once you go there you kinda become captive. they actually imagine the situation is ~i~ need more people, not the other fucking way around. because "headcount is everything" hurr durr.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'we'll breed 9000 mircea_popescus out of fungal broth and no one will ever find his way to the original one! genius' << Part of what keeping the blog counters
mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta do more work on the camouflage, by the time i can get "status is nothing" aka "we are just as pantsuit as any other pantsuit outfit" within five lines...
mircea_popescu: but in other news of about same importance and entertainment value, kingdom rush frontiers from ironhide games is fucking amiga hard. holy hell what have these people done!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every single, without exception, cave of urbit/suckmore/etc 'neets' that's been dug up so far, smells ~exactly the same to me . and imho neither surprising nor really avoidable, this is rather like those squirrels that live in american cities, that eat garbage, who is surprised that they all have scurvy in same way
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793570 << lmao. because children imagine "being a programmer" is having magical powers. somehow "being a cook" doesn't come in their head with a "food automatically makes itself around you", on the basis of direct experience with the mcdonalds fries counter. but "programmer" still means you magically intuit what the shit idiotic assumptions every mcdonalds employee baked into the "codebase".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:42 TomServo: I expect MP will love "Software should be written for programmers, which means the code is the documentation,"
asciilifeform: these folx eat nothing at all but 'anglosphere'
mircea_popescu: im not so directly convinced that is the problem, seeing how you should see the latinas. they eat nothing but spanglosphere, and it's ~similar.
asciilifeform: the operative item is not which-sphere, but that they live on one another's shit
mircea_popescu: yes ; but then you look at the "right" as understood in the us, weirdo fringe groups built around "religion" in the sense of charismatic personality, and they're in no sense different EITHER.
asciilifeform: 0 connection with actual human intellectual tradition, complete innocence of philosophy/mathematics/history(of any period whatsoever)
asciilifeform: ... and exactly the same, for this exact reason
asciilifeform: they're africans, of whatever colour.
mircea_popescu: yes, im starting to suspect that's the key. "los pueblos sin historia son condenados al fracaso".
mircea_popescu: it's not that "the programming language without recursion hasn't been found yet". is that it's not possible to have one. replace history and society in there, same deal.
mircea_popescu: no reflective logs ~= dead.
asciilifeform: catch one and plug'im into the mains, and you'll find out many surprises, e.g. that mathematics 'is what the calculator does', philosophy is 'something to do with genders of transgressed boundaries or somesuch poppycock', history 'i went to school like errybody else and learned how we allied with germany against ussr' (actual quote from americaness asciilifeform actually fucked) and i could continue butwhy.
mircea_popescu: what'd pantsuitism be without its superficialism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform star trek philosophy is, after all (as iirc you aptly pointed out), "everyone wears this pantsuit". thassit.
asciilifeform: well also it had the admixture of protestant 'propriety' and (for lack of fitting word)... ordnung
asciilifeform: butyes.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever fucks the bridge bunnies, huh.
asciilifeform: wassat
mircea_popescu: girls with no speaking parts
mircea_popescu: like the white girls in blacksploitation media products, there to impart status upon the "noble barbarians:"
mircea_popescu: notably, bridget fonda's role in this world. (she gets shot in the stomach for it, most satisfyingly.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793620 << is it just me not comprehending how there can be two "g"ccs ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 18:37 ave1: btw, turns out AdaCore have implemented support for crapple IOS (arm 64 + macho) in their gcc, this cannot be found in fsf gcc's. But needs #ifs and #ifdefs, one line was #ifdef MACHO_TARGET, but should have been #if.
asciilifeform: forks
mircea_popescu: but why call it gcc if you don't aim to actually bury rms's folly ?
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's exactly ZERO discussion of this anywhere. major, undeclared fork passing uncommented for what, a decade ? is this the level of "rational" idiocy in these muppets ?
asciilifeform: next could ask, why call it champagne if it never saw france
mircea_popescu: 100% of all discussion on the subject is our logs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gets 'better' : 9000 forks, of various degrees of 'declared', many also pissing on gpl and distributing either closed turds, or turd + source and the latter on examination does not build . pestilential in embedded world
asciilifeform: not small fry, either, but major vendors, philips, toshiba, hitachi, many others, who sell 100mils/chips/yr , for which the only compiler is... one of these
mircea_popescu: well, i guess we'll have to have a terminology standard then. how about this : fsf = "a little coven of pantsuit retards defined by loyalty to rms and no further characteristics", ie fsf is about on the level of importance of "starslatecodex" ; gnu = "symbol with no concrete reference, sometimes used as g- or gnu- prefix by marketeers exacly like the string 'super-'" ; open = "group of usg wreckers working on perpetuating the
mircea_popescu: principles of usg diffusely outside of usg.microsoft, usg.intel, usg.ibm and other enummerable badness". that about work ?
asciilifeform: fsf long ago dessicated corpse, with ~zero influence on anything
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: they're a sort of mausoleum, with the small detail that their lenin is still, in a way, alive
asciilifeform: but 'human mushroom'
mircea_popescu: it could be "one dood's blog", if rms could ever muster enough cogency to keep a blog. but in fact, it's a loose association of conference-goers. for the same money they could be a "polyamory club" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: !!up DaSancho
deedbot: DaSancho voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "but vendors could never distribute meaningless source, the million eyes of the community would spot it and things would happen!"
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/failed-millenial-boxer-beats-bus-with-barricade/ << Qntra - Failed Millenial Boxer Beats Bus With Barricade
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not even clear to me that eben moglen (note, not rms) gpl experiment , i.e. 'use copyrasty against itself', worked for a short while ( to naked eye it would seem that it did, bsd routines got subsumed into microshit, gnu -- not , but there ~are~ alternative plausible explanations that don't involve 'fear of gpl violation' )
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece about how troobelievers in 'rule of law' will set themselves up into ridiculously doomed situations, where they fixate on some technicality, like changing their names to punctuation marks or somesuch, that Will Surely Crash The System
mircea_popescu: i do not believe the cleverness worked ; moreover, this instant example aside, i have TONS of example of exactly the same "cleverness" NOT working against the empire, all the way down to http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/#selection-63.0-67.2
asciilifeform: 'sovereign citizens' iirc
mircea_popescu: this is akin to the notion that redskins would have used treaties to opress white settlers. bitch, really ?
asciilifeform: noshit, exactly same
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed. the broad box this falls into is "accepting the structure but debating the results". once you've eaten up the premises, what the fuck cartoonish "ha-HAA!" can you possibly expect, jesus fuck, 12 year olds moving about freely.
mircea_popescu: but, nothing's easier than selling unprincipled exceptions to comfort seekers.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the whole fucking discipline of zek/cattle handing is based on this fundamental rule.
mircea_popescu: so, no, i don't expect moglen's "one weird trick" worked or could have worked, nor do i expect moglen is, intellectually speaking, old enough to decide whom to fuck.
asciilifeform: the other interesting bit ( tho naggum treated it better than i have the stamina to ) is how gcc set back the compiler field by, perhaps , decades, by playing the 'dun matter how complex, so long as theoretically 'open' ' game
mircea_popescu: it's funny how this is an exact implementation of the political concept of "filibuster".
asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space
mircea_popescu: the equivalent would be a "very good compiler -- it either compiles or never finishes, so it can't be said it ever encountered an error. drop your compile error rate to 0% with our new technology".
asciilifeform: now add to this, autoconf, 'libraries', the idjit os...
mircea_popescu: except here it's "not closed in the sense of we don't give you text to read ; but open in the sense we give you an endless stream to read"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
mircea_popescu: but see, here's how it latches into imperial systematic child abuse : the esltards are brought up to think their own limits are shameful, and consequently... "nobody dared" point out that he, personally, can not read the source provided, and THEREFORE, for ~this reason~, it has NOT BEEN PROVIDED.
mircea_popescu: they dare say this to me, "oh, trilema is too hard to read, i'm not reading it". that part, yes. they however do not say it in the one direction where it belongs said : "the source you published is too long for me to comfortably read, therefore you are in breach of your obligation ; fix it or ima burn down your shack."
asciilifeform: consider , for instance, when was the last time you saw a ( heathen ) patch that ~subtracted~ bulk
mircea_popescu: and it is EXACTLY child abuse. some people take five year olds and teach them how to take penis up their asshole. usg takes five year olds and teaches them to be ashamed of saying "i, therefore", and affraid of saying "this is too much to read".
mircea_popescu: i never saw such a patch (then again i am not a major patch reader>)
asciilifeform: i never once have seen such.
asciilifeform: ~have~ read plenty of iterated revisions of mathematical work where (sometimes over ~years~) author succeeded in making proof shorter
asciilifeform: but nuffin afaik post-'95 or so
mircea_popescu: the large problem is that, generally unbeknownst to the victims of usg child abuse, they are actually not fit for any kind of intellectual work anymore, nor will ever be.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793646 << i'm moving too slow, please wait till tomorrow for me to push the regrind with fixes. if you can give me that version of mp-wp.vpatch unsigned that would be helpful☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 19:35 hanbot: latest in mp-wp saga: spyked's patch on vtools let me gpr build the phf's patcher and vdiff, latter of which made a genesis, former of which dies on pressing wiff: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2IVPp/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: much like the kid who spent his preteen years sewing footballs for nike is never going to be a great pianist.
asciilifeform remembers , as a teenager, seeing a win95-afflicted box with a rotting hdd, losing 2-3% of all sectors and... thing still boots, still functions, ~why?~ , what was all that crapola ~for~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this line is shakier ; i have seen good cars missing a few % of the parts through locals' insane notions of maintenance, still running. "what were they for ?" well, it's like this : the cost for the car to run is X, built out of x1...xn costs to do various itemized portions of "to run". if cost xi is due to components Ci1...Cim, should Cij fail, its slack will probably be picked up by the rest (often, in some so
mircea_popescu: rt of pyramidal arrangement, picked up for ever more), but the xi will INCREASE (mostly because the "cost to run" now also includes wear and tear of parts not designed to wear and tear in that way.
mircea_popescu: so at an increase of operating cost, unmaintained complex machinery continues to function.
mircea_popescu: you could have a much simpler car, of course, but X would be proportionately larger. which is why no 1918 car can compete with modern cars in terms of say fuel economy.
asciilifeform: well i did not mean in the sense of how the good doktor shiro ishii discovered that man can 'run for a while' with no stomach
mircea_popescu: consider actual example : as i said at some point i bought used bmw. you might know or not, but these engines actually have a GEARBOX for the fan aspirating air to cool the radiator. this particular engine's gearbox for the fan was shot, resulting in a fan so weak you could stop it with finger (properly maintained, it's so strong as to snap a finger off). therte's a... special 2nd line fan system for this situation, and car w
mircea_popescu: as running that almost non stop, resulting in too much current draw, resulting in ac bringing available power too low, resulting in battery not getting enough etc.
asciilifeform: but of actual dross. e.g. most of what glibc gloms on to every executable, never executes, these are bits you can flip with impunity
mircea_popescu: car ran fine. and would have ran fine like this for however many mn kms, at the cost of having to change the battery 3x more often than per design
mircea_popescu: ie, maybe 0.2 cents a km.
mircea_popescu: all this is calculable.
asciilifeform: right, and i also once met a d00d who calculated that it is cheaper to fill his hydraulic fluid tank weekly for several yrs, than to fix the leak
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, i think we touched briefly in here on the advantage of physical systems, and how they could be tested back when they were still used, over digitalisms.
asciilifeform: but in that case it can be debated whether he is still using 'the same machine' as he bought, or a 'new', africanized one
mircea_popescu: hey, cheaper is the rule of machinery. as long as you correctly calculate the cheaper, all industrial process is nothing but.
asciilifeform: supposing the calculation was on correct premises.
mircea_popescu spent many years of life at the task of ensuring the correctness of those calculations
asciilifeform: ( leaks , for instance, have a way of widening )
mircea_popescu: "efficiency expert" in industry is what that is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, taking gal for steaks, bbl.
asciilifeform also bbl
asciilifeform: trinque, phf : phunphakt, without clock set, cannot emerge even gnu screen, it fetches, yes!, from git, and 'ssl certificate not yet valid' didjaknow.
asciilifeform: clockism quite pervasive.
trinque: deep deep sads and justwantedtos in portage at the moment.
trinque afk too, actually, for steaks even
trinque: bday steaks, ripe old age of 31.
asciilifeform: happy bday trinque
shinohai: Came to wish trinque happy birthday as well, enjoy teh steaks!
shinohai has birthday in 9 days
asciilifeform: aaaand apparently emacs 25.3.r4 pulls in... gnutls
asciilifeform: which i had nfi even existed
asciilifeform: ( a fsfistic fork of openssl, naturally )
asciilifeform: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/emacs-gnutls.html
asciilifeform: and of course it is not hard to find out ~why~ this happened : http://tahirhassan.blogspot.com/2016/03/installing-gnutls-on-emacs.html >> 'GnuTLS is needed for adding the https URL of MELPA to the package archive source list'
asciilifeform: and melpa of course being the 'modern' crapola repo that gives us such marvels as the 9000 dependencies of 'flycheck' ( see logz! ) and other liquishit.