mircea_popescu: basically this wikipedian wankster thing seems to be a major-ish neet subculture. evidently under the whole chems thing, or guns, or "baptist"ism / most other first echelon things. but perhaps large enough to make 2nd tier, with post-punk, petaism, and so forth. a sort of mirror-knitting subculture, i guess.
asciilifeform: dunno that 'subculture' is the word. sorta like calling syphilis a subculture
mircea_popescu: diseases are in fact the best framework for conceptualizing subcultures -- that's what they are, broken people. broken how is relatively uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: but the girl who genuinely believes her little village is everything and being a dairy maid is the be all (great little novel about this, with nobleman who married dairy maid, ended up making the dutchess a... dairy) is not substantially different from the guy who thinks mercury salts will right him.
mircea_popescu: they both have little rituals associated, consume information cooked a certain way FOR IT BEING THUS COOKED and not for other reasons, and so following.
mircea_popescu: oh, oh, look, there's even a bit of mittelamerica in there! "I came home from my tour in the US Army in the Middle East. I have only been back two months. My wife and I have three children. We have been married for ten years. I came back and Sarah had changed. Didnt want anything to do with me. This is typical for returning Veterans so I figured it would just take time. Fast forward to now, I just discovered, she has been
mircea_popescu: recruited as a unicorn by a Neurologist at a hospital in town. She abandoned me and our middle child who has Autism. She took the youngest and oldest boy and they are considered now Mitchs children. So, excuse me if I cant be open minded enough to understand this. I dont. It hurts incredibly bad and I dont understand how a doctor, with a wife and six children, could steal my wife and try to take my children."
mircea_popescu: supposedly these are rare. i imagine for the sort of dweebs that spew all this maculature they would be.
asciilifeform: phunphakt for trinque : apparently something inside current-day portage re-package.mask's gcc <5 'for your own good' on every (?) --sync , leaving it to be unmasked manually.☟︎
asciilifeform: ye olde 'These old versions of toolchain packages (binutils, gcc, glibc) are no longer officially supported and are not suitable for general use. Using these packages can result in build failures (and possible breakage) for many packages, and may leave your system vulnerable to known security exploits' nonsense.
mircea_popescu: you know, the "terribly high status male" in the googlvnoye upgradleniye lagerei.
mircea_popescu: o look, the dgerard fellow also makes an appearance! lel.
mircea_popescu: this whole thing's tiny, basically the wank of ~one campus.
mircea_popescu: it's really not anything but 15yo turning in wikipedia article.
asciilifeform: 'EDIT 2017-10-28: DO NOT DO THIS! Dropbox have changed their API, and Netmemo has failed to update to use the new one. I emailed the developer and got no response. Don’t use Netmemo Plus. I want a button on my Android phone that drops voice notes into my GTD inbox.'
asciilifeform: 'Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction. .... This book is essential reading for all thinking people. I’m not going to write a new review here—I think the existing reviews do it justice...' << bahahawat
mircea_popescu: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WX6kWkAKsESoD4yrf/misery-pits << o look who came back from the dead, also. chick famous for "i'll sign prenup to have all my kids paternity-checked because i'm just too much of a cum dumpster to know otherwise" / being the ~only sexually active female in this coven of "polyamory", absent since the last time we heard of this whole thing.
asciilifeform: and of course 'Big life change ahead: in March, I, Jess, and our two cats will be renting out our London flat and moving to California’s San Francisco Bay Area for two years!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh hey it's the 'my cunt is offended and redpillists are hereby unofficially banned from the forum' critter
mircea_popescu: which exactly, so you can live from now on in the full serenity of knowing that it's perfectly possible you've been kissing my ass a number of times to date. all the best."
mircea_popescu: actually, fuck that, i have to transalte it, willy nilly.
asciilifeform: another interesting... character reappears in $thread , 'cousin_it' << iirc , a ru d00d, who was what passed for intellectual backbone of the lw forum until formally expelled for -- iirc -- pissing on the 'roko's basilisk' chix
gabriel_laddel: beetlejuice is suffering gainful employment writing java for the time being☟︎
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: ... congrats . asciilifeform did a ~2yr sentence of java mine
gabriel_laddel: managed to kill a x220 circuit board by swapping the screen to another, identical while machine was running. is this the sort of thing to 'fry' circuitry, and as a general rule I suppose no life fire electronics around CPUs?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: lvds i/o typically dun have antistatic diodes
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i gotta ask, what possessed you to do it with box switched on
ben_vulpes: is that the difficult-to-replace version?
ben_vulpes: and yeah, what asciilifeform said. also hola beetlejuice
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik the 220 is a cheapo and plentiful rubbish box
gabriel_laddel: wanted to know how ready-for-anything people are making electronics nowdays, seeing as I know literally nothing about hardware. ben_vulpes hola & idk, never soldered anything before so should be fun
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 00:29 asciilifeform: phunphakt for trinque : apparently something inside current-day portage re-package.mask's gcc <5 'for your own good' on every (?) --sync , leaving it to be unmasked manually.
asciilifeform: trinque: the interesting part is that it comes back ~after repeated manual removal~ somehow
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
TomServo: I fell down the gopherhole after phf mentioned it.. came across a pseudo-tmsr 'bitreich'.
mircea_popescu: MDude things you've done is a point of interest. places you've been... unless you have naked chicks in the streets of the czech republic / parks of buenos aires / dunes of egypt etc, no.
mircea_popescu: "Home to 146,998 users Who authored 5,033,248" << whoa, this is way the fuck tinier than previously realised. for ALL. THE. NOISE. people have been making about how it's "up and coming" since at least 2-3 years ago...
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:38 trinque: well christ, they have a manifesto right there at the top.
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'rockchip' turns out is a completely usable and clean gentoo station. can be used as workstation also, if not in a hurry. ( running 100% asciilifeform-recipe gentoo, albeit not musltronic; running also self-built kernel; no eggogs, hiccups, good disk access times. the 1 item not yet built with own hands: uboot init thing )
asciilifeform: also learned that there exists a rockchip laptop, of sorts, 'asus c101pa', but i do not have one here , if someone has the time/inclination he can try it.
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of trinque from 1 to 2 << deedbot maintainer
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the lulzy tales : late last night i went into girl's room cuz i couldn't sleep and wanted to play. she was asleep. she woke up startled, and then i could see panic grip her. and i was you know, all "don't worry baby, you're not in trouble, there's nothing wrong" and she was looking at me with these big and growing eyes and turning progressively whiteer.
mircea_popescu: eventually she was awake enough to remember ~she had put earplugs in~ because went to sleep while place still active, and ~that was why~ she couldn't hear a word i was saying.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793578 << Kinda what I figured. I remember last time the proxies went on strike there were forensics involved. Most of my worries atm concern being surrounded by the sort of Rustic so called salt of the earth Italians that they put in the background of Gringo tourism marketing☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:50 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for your peace of mind, i intend to publish qntra report once mpex proxies back online, seems rather silly otherwise. not forgotten or mothballed or anything.
ave1: btw, turns out AdaCore have implemented support for crapple IOS (arm 64 + macho) in their gcc, this cannot be found in fsf gcc's. But needs #ifs and #ifdefs, one line was #ifdef MACHO_TARGET, but should have been #if.☟︎
asciilifeform: ave1: abolishing the standard library would make it quite painless to port gnat to anything to which gcc already has a backend. but as it is, the existence of crappla gnat doesn't help us any, the abi is completely different
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of esthlos from 3 to 2 << met for sushi
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: keep in mind that the figure claimed concerns the included turdroid or whatever it comes with. in practice we do not know whether proper linux would work similarly. somebody will have to try.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The figure claimed leaves lots of room for comfort
ave1: asciilifeform, yes I know, I've not tried to separate AdaCore's ada from AdaCore's gcc backend (to FSF gcc backend). AdaCore's gcc backend has significant canges from FSF. As this would be an interesting experiment, I will put it on the list (other thing to do, is put Ada 2017 on top of gcc 4.9.4 instead of 7.x)
BingoBoingo: How many men has the bitreich sent south to carve out their safe space?
mircea_popescu: "<Evil_Bob> C-Keen: read the fucking backlog, im not going to repeat myself" lol. perhaps the idea is that one's required to maintain connection as a show of loyalty. a soert of "mining" if you will.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes my read is that __20h__ is ~bob beck in the outfit.
mircea_popescu: the way dept of state "think tanks" imagine creating "moderate rebel" leadership works is you have a fake one to protect the real one like a skirting.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it strikes me how strictly identical to early urbit this thing is. same sort of socialist revolution aggitated "building the future" can barely contain selves on chair sorta vibe.
asciilifeform: 'we'll breed 9000 mircea_popescus out of fungal broth and no one will ever find his way to the original one! genius'
mircea_popescu: the problem with idiocy is that once you go there you kinda become captive. they actually imagine the situation is ~i~ need more people, not the other fucking way around. because "headcount is everything" hurr durr.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'we'll breed 9000 mircea_popescus out of fungal broth and no one will ever find his way to the original one! genius' << Part of what keeping the blog counters
mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta do more work on the camouflage, by the time i can get "status is nothing" aka "we are just as pantsuit as any other pantsuit outfit" within five lines...
mircea_popescu: but in other news of about same importance and entertainment value, kingdom rush frontiers from ironhide games is fucking amiga hard. holy hell what have these people done!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every single, without exception, cave of urbit/suckmore/etc 'neets' that's been dug up so far, smells ~exactly the same to me . and imho neither surprising nor really avoidable, this is rather like those squirrels that live in american cities, that eat garbage, who is surprised that they all have scurvy in same way
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793570 << lmao. because children imagine "being a programmer" is having magical powers. somehow "being a cook" doesn't come in their head with a "food automatically makes itself around you", on the basis of direct experience with the mcdonalds fries counter. but "programmer" still means you magically intuit what the shit idiotic assumptions every mcdonalds employee baked into the "codebase".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 17:42 TomServo: I expect MP will love "Software should be written for programmers, which means the code is the documentation,"
mircea_popescu: im not so directly convinced that is the problem, seeing how you should see the latinas. they eat nothing but spanglosphere, and it's ~similar.
asciilifeform: the operative item is not which-sphere, but that they live on one another's shit
mircea_popescu: yes ; but then you look at the "right" as understood in the us, weirdo fringe groups built around "religion" in the sense of charismatic personality, and they're in no sense different EITHER.
asciilifeform: 0 connection with actual human intellectual tradition, complete innocence of philosophy/mathematics/history(of any period whatsoever)
asciilifeform: catch one and plug'im into the mains, and you'll find out many surprises, e.g. that mathematics 'is what the calculator does', philosophy is 'something to do with genders of transgressed boundaries or somesuch poppycock', history 'i went to school like errybody else and learned how we allied with germany against ussr' (actual quote from americaness asciilifeform actually fucked) and i could continue butwhy.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 18:37 ave1: btw, turns out AdaCore have implemented support for crapple IOS (arm 64 + macho) in their gcc, this cannot be found in fsf gcc's. But needs #ifs and #ifdefs, one line was #ifdef MACHO_TARGET, but should have been #if.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gets 'better' : 9000 forks, of various degrees of 'declared', many also pissing on gpl and distributing either closed turds, or turd + source and the latter on examination does not build . pestilential in embedded world
asciilifeform: not small fry, either, but major vendors, philips, toshiba, hitachi, many others, who sell 100mils/chips/yr , for which the only compiler is... one of these
mircea_popescu: well, i guess we'll have to have a terminology standard then. how about this : fsf = "a little coven of pantsuit retards defined by loyalty to rms and no further characteristics", ie fsf is about on the level of importance of "starslatecodex" ; gnu = "symbol with no concrete reference, sometimes used as g- or gnu- prefix by marketeers exacly like the string 'super-'" ; open = "group of usg wreckers working on perpetuating the
mircea_popescu: principles of usg diffusely outside of usg.microsoft, usg.intel, usg.ibm and other enummerable badness". that about work ?
asciilifeform: fsf long ago dessicated corpse, with ~zero influence on anything
mircea_popescu: it could be "one dood's blog", if rms could ever muster enough cogency to keep a blog. but in fact, it's a loose association of conference-goers. for the same money they could be a "polyamory club" or w/e.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not even clear to me that eben moglen (note, not rms) gpl experiment , i.e. 'use copyrasty against itself', worked for a short while ( to naked eye it would seem that it did, bsd routines got subsumed into microshit, gnu -- not , but there ~are~ alternative plausible explanations that don't involve 'fear of gpl violation' )☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece about how troobelievers in 'rule of law' will set themselves up into ridiculously doomed situations, where they fixate on some technicality, like changing their names to punctuation marks or somesuch, that Will Surely Crash The System☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed. the broad box this falls into is "accepting the structure but debating the results". once you've eaten up the premises, what the fuck cartoonish "ha-HAA!" can you possibly expect, jesus fuck, 12 year olds moving about freely.
mircea_popescu: but, nothing's easier than selling unprincipled exceptions to comfort seekers.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the whole fucking discipline of zek/cattle handing is based on this fundamental rule.
mircea_popescu: so, no, i don't expect moglen's "one weird trick" worked or could have worked, nor do i expect moglen is, intellectually speaking, old enough to decide whom to fuck.
asciilifeform: the other interesting bit ( tho naggum treated it better than i have the stamina to ) is how gcc set back the compiler field by, perhaps , decades, by playing the 'dun matter how complex, so long as theoretically 'open' ' game
mircea_popescu: it's funny how this is an exact implementation of the political concept of "filibuster".
asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: the equivalent would be a "very good compiler -- it either compiles or never finishes, so it can't be said it ever encountered an error. drop your compile error rate to 0% with our new technology".
asciilifeform: now add to this, autoconf, 'libraries', the idjit os...
mircea_popescu: except here it's "not closed in the sense of we don't give you text to read ; but open in the sense we give you an endless stream to read"
mircea_popescu: but see, here's how it latches into imperial systematic child abuse : the esltards are brought up to think their own limits are shameful, and consequently... "nobody dared" point out that he, personally, can not read the source provided, and THEREFORE, for ~this reason~, it has NOT BEEN PROVIDED.
mircea_popescu: they dare say this to me, "oh, trilema is too hard to read, i'm not reading it". that part, yes. they however do not say it in the one direction where it belongs said : "the source you published is too long for me to comfortably read, therefore you are in breach of your obligation ; fix it or ima burn down your shack."
asciilifeform: consider , for instance, when was the last time you saw a ( heathen ) patch that ~subtracted~ bulk
mircea_popescu: and it is EXACTLY child abuse. some people take five year olds and teach them how to take penis up their asshole. usg takes five year olds and teaches them to be ashamed of saying "i, therefore", and affraid of saying "this is too much to read".
mircea_popescu: i never saw such a patch (then again i am not a major patch reader>)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 19:35 hanbot: latest in mp-wp saga: spyked's patch on vtools let me gpr build the phf's patcher and vdiff, latter of which made a genesis, former of which dies on pressing wiff: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2IVPp/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: much like the kid who spent his preteen years sewing footballs for nike is never going to be a great pianist.
asciilifeform remembers , as a teenager, seeing a win95-afflicted box with a rotting hdd, losing 2-3% of all sectors and... thing still boots, still functions, ~why?~ , what was all that crapola ~for~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this line is shakier ; i have seen good cars missing a few % of the parts through locals' insane notions of maintenance, still running. "what were they for ?" well, it's like this : the cost for the car to run is X, built out of x1...xn costs to do various itemized portions of "to run". if cost xi is due to components Ci1...Cim, should Cij fail, its slack will probably be picked up by the rest (often, in some so
mircea_popescu: rt of pyramidal arrangement, picked up for ever more), but the xi will INCREASE (mostly because the "cost to run" now also includes wear and tear of parts not designed to wear and tear in that way.
mircea_popescu: so at an increase of operating cost, unmaintained complex machinery continues to function.
mircea_popescu: you could have a much simpler car, of course, but X would be proportionately larger. which is why no 1918 car can compete with modern cars in terms of say fuel economy.
asciilifeform: well i did not mean in the sense of how the good doktor shiro ishii discovered that man can 'run for a while' with no stomach
mircea_popescu: consider actual example : as i said at some point i bought used bmw. you might know or not, but these engines actually have a GEARBOX for the fan aspirating air to cool the radiator. this particular engine's gearbox for the fan was shot, resulting in a fan so weak you could stop it with finger (properly maintained, it's so strong as to snap a finger off). therte's a... special 2nd line fan system for this situation, and car w
mircea_popescu: as running that almost non stop, resulting in too much current draw, resulting in ac bringing available power too low, resulting in battery not getting enough etc.
asciilifeform: but of actual dross. e.g. most of what glibc gloms on to every executable, never executes, these are bits you can flip with impunity
mircea_popescu: car ran fine. and would have ran fine like this for however many mn kms, at the cost of having to change the battery 3x more often than per design