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mats: http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/17/sydney-siege-abbott-refuses-to-blame-islam-for-man-haron-moniss-actions?CMP=soc_567
assbot: Sydney siege: Abbott refuses to blame Islam for Man Haron Monis's actions | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/13vUtaK )
mats: what a dummy
mats: the IRA and its motivations are separatist and political in nature
mats: unlike the war islam is waging on the rest of the world, on the express command of the prophet
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 334641 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 14 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39500152683.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.26806
kakobrekla: -1.26, i wonder if this accounts for the general shit quality of miner hw
mike_c: kakobrekla, you going to ba in april?
kakobrekla: no, i dont think so.
mike_c: aww. it's a new stamp on the passport!
mike_c: i hear bitcoins in argentina are dirt cheap too
kakobrekla: well that seems to be the case round the globe
mike_c: well, hopefully there will be a rally soon and you change your mind.
kakobrekla: lol i dont mind the rally but has nothing to do with it :)
mike_c: the long flight? rotten company?
kakobrekla: 3 days is kinda short isnt it
mike_c: but that's just the time the rest of us will be there.
mats: kako hates you
mike_c: you should come! it'll be fun.
mike_c: i think he hates travelling.
kakobrekla: yes.
kakobrekla: i dont leave the house if i dont have to.
punkman: backup with deduplication and gpg encryption http://obnam.org ☟︎
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kakobrekla: i also hate people.
kakobrekla: ask ascii, we high fived over it.
mike_c: so you're saying you'll go if ascii goes.
mike_c: ok
kakobrekla: lol not fair.
kakobrekla: he must go to show off the rng or smth? :)
mike_c: hehe
mike_c: he better not show up with the same thing as last year
kakobrekla: so im safe.
mats: if it even exists by march
kakobrekla: the idea it it wont, so he wont and i wont.
kakobrekla: is*
mats: gonna miss this xmas deadline :( this 0.35btc has been burning a hole in my wallet
kakobrekla: i can dispose of that for a modest fee
kakobrekla: if its really hurtin that much
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform definitely not showing up with same gadget as last year
decimation: asciilifeform: re: useful classes < at purdue they had welding, but it was always completely booked
asciilifeform: unsurprising
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asciilifeform: http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2008/01/03/goodbye-openbsd << vintage whine re: dependency hells
assbot: Goodbye OpenBSD : My Delusional Dream ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1oR9Z )
decimation: asciilifeform: lol
decimation: the new hotness is 'archbsd'
BingoBoingo: Very hard for a person to quit heroin, but easy for heroin to quit person!
decimation: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform is at this moment roto-rooting out gnome tendrils from an openbsd box
gabriel_laddel: <asciilifeform> http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2008/01/03/goodbye-openbsd << vintage whine re: dependency hells << infinite hitpoits, see UNIX haters handbook. (This isn't directed at ascii, but rather n00bs who have not read it.)
assbot: Goodbye OpenBSD : My Delusional Dream ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1oR9Z )
asciilifeform: 'dbus-daemon', 'dbus-launch', 'gconfd', etc
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decimation: I can't keep the kde and gnome stuff straight
asciilifeform: decimation: generally, kde crud won't be on your box unless you actually use kde
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm rather curious as to why you're fixing (for some value of that word - more akin to fixing up a corpse before burial, w/e) up a openbsd box when you've got your own gentoo 'fork'?
asciilifeform: decimation: gnome tendrils get pulled in by virtually every popular xorg app
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: good question. answer: machine is a 'toshiba libretto' 233mhz, 64m ram.
decimation: asciilifeform: every time I install rhel6 I have to spend 10 minutes de-poettering and de-gnoming it
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: no reasonably-recent linux variant will run on it with reasonable performance.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: the never ending quest for a bed-ready computer?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: you guessed it.
asciilifeform: that 'toshiba' was as close as i ever got to perfect.
mats: looks like an oversized nintendo ds
asciilifeform: i have no idea what that is.
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mats: a handheld gaming console
asciilifeform: guessed as much
mats: its fast approaching ten years of life, im surprised you don't know of it
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: btw, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6328002/emacs-buffer-allocation-using-mmap
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asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/9anivva << machine in question
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gabriel_laddel: !s doesn't do this for some perverse reason
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gabriel_laddel: this is the thread I was following up on http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-11-2014#930233 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2014 01:14:46; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: text editor experiment << when you build 'emacs', you can select 'use mmap for buffers' as a compile flag.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall this
asciilifeform: perhaps it wasn't a flag, but had to actually diddle the src.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: if you've information contradicting the stackoverflow question in question please say so. I'm in the middle of building a non-retarted linux distribution and would like to have Emacs as battle ready as possible by default.
gabriel_laddel: *retarded
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm afraid not. you will have to investigate personally. i built my emacs some years ago, and thoroughly forgot.
asciilifeform: 'can't delete avahi-0.6.31p10 without deleting cups-libs-1.6.3p0 gtk+2-2.24.20p1 gvfs-1.16.3' << brain damage beyond belief
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: while we're on the subject, is there anything you consider absolutely essential for computing outside of CL+SLIME?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: would you believe, 'midnight commander.'
asciilifeform: but it's definitely an acquired taste.
asciilifeform: i own computers that do not run emacs,slime,cl.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: does midnight commander have anything over dired?
asciilifeform: but none (discussion limited to modern-ish hardware, rather than collectables) that don't have mc.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: plenty of things.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: will, for example, traverse most known (and, with minor fiddling, unknown) types of archive as if they were dirs
asciilifeform: basic operations mapped to 'f' keys, just like in the ancient 'norton commander' it was originally a clone of
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: kk, added to "the list"
asciilifeform: i've had the keys in muscle memory since i was 6 y.o. or so
asciilifeform: so can't speak for other folks. but several people i've exposed to it are now habitual users.
decimation: asciilifeform: you don't compile the latest emacs 24?
asciilifeform: did, on one box, but with no serious modifications
asciilifeform: generally i never notice anything about new emacs except that one or more of my many elisps pointlessly breaks
decimation: I have been using org-mode to keep track of things, it's okay
decimation: I've definitely noticed that if I add external packages, it tends to make things very very slow
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: decimation: Emacs needs threads.
asciilifeform furious that the emacs in that box's ports tree cannot easily build without dbus
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asciilifeform: the latter, aside from being a poetteringism, consumes precious memory
gabriel_laddel: (re: Threaded Emacs, I've already walked that road - don't waste your time. Not going to happen and won't fix the underlying issues with Emacs anyways.)
decimation: asciilifeform: this came up yesterday with the global interpreter lock
decimation: the only alternative is a fine locking mechanism
decimation: neither seems particularly elegant
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/hoter.html << I was reading Herr McCarthy's 'dreams of the future' from 1970
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decimation: he has some highly amusing footnotes about how disappointed he is re:ibm & microshit monopoly
asciilifeform: 'Some immediately apparent disadvantages are: ... ... I cannot read in bed. The book-size portable terminal will come later. A household may require several terminals or perhaps we may have to compromise with sin and provide a hard copy terminal after all.'
asciilifeform: book-size portable terminal
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform still waiting.
decimation: lol yeah I figured you would like that one
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
kakobrekla: well reading in bed and writing in bed arent the same thing.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can't speak for others, but my programming is 90+% read/think and 10% write, timewise ☟︎
asciilifeform: and that's on a bad day.
kakobrekla: and you do all this in bed?
decimation: asciilifeform: you would make a terrible do-o-crat
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no! but i want to.
kakobrekla: lol. he is even worse than me, wont leave the bed.
decimation: you pair of shut-ins
decimation: you could send morse from a thigh-key to a terminal
kakobrekla: for me bed is hard to get in and hard to get out.
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kakobrekla: if possible id opt out of it.
gabriel_laddel: re in bed computing. is there something wrong with a bluetooth keyboard on the lap and a monitor that folds onto the ceiling?
decimation: I wish they made e-ink displays that updated at a reasonable frequency and were large
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: plenty wrong.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: for one thing, i refuse to use wireless keyboards.
kakobrekla: or usb.
asciilifeform: the black van man should have to work for his pay.
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BingoBoingo: !b 7 ✂︎
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: okay, so the monitor folds down with a usb keyboard in some sort of rack attached to it.
kakobrekla: nooo not the usb!
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and when i want to turn over ?
decimation: not to mention holding your arms on your lap (when lying down) would get tiring
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: let me guess, you're one of those folks who only lie on their back in bed and never else.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about if the rest of the room rotates?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform have you thought about zero g, how will you think better in bed?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: nah, all over the place. But I only ever compute in bed while sitting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: then you're in orbit and have other problems like bones dissolving
decimation: you too can start a new life in the off world colonies
decimation: plus muscles atrophy
decimation: plus radiation
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but those problems have solutions! Except for the deadliest thing around is the trash problem.
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decimation: http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/15/feds-graciously-agree-not-to-steal-resta << "Federal prosecutors have stopped trying to steal $33,000 from an Iowa restaurateur who irked the IRS by making deposits of less than $10,000."
assbot: Feds Graciously Agree Not to Steal Restaurateur's Bank Account - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/137FjI6 )
asciilifeform: 'Deliberately keeping deposits below that threshold to avoid the reporting requirement is a crime (known as "structuring"), but Hinders was never charged with it. Instead federal prosecutors argued that her bank account had facilitated the crime of structuring, making it subject to civil forfeiture.' << lol!
asciilifeform: crime without a criminal.
asciilifeform: it floats around, in the vacuum, wandering.
decimation: usg vs. $33,000 for a cop-boat
asciilifeform: sad that the confiscation did not proceed;
asciilifeform: there will have to be perhaps a million confiscations, dekulakizations, before 'the sheeple wake'
BingoBoingo thinks outlaw restaurants would be a decent theme for a trip around USia
decimation: I bet outlaw restaurants have good food too
asciilifeform: thing is, reprieves are temporary
asciilifeform: 'the art of saying 'good dog' until you can find a proper stone'
asciilifeform: from usg's point of view
asciilifeform: just as the cattle rancher. he will be zapped, when the story is sufficiently forgotten and no longer media-enabled
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BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5B82TZCEAETTaI.jpg
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BingoBoingo: ^Handling Blackmail
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gabriel_laddel: "before 'the sheeple wake'" hmmm... I'm sorta under the impression that they're not ever going to wake. the thing with sheep is that they get tend to get slaughtered. after 5-10 years of living the life of American cattle the brain starts to deteriorate from lack of use. threaten them an all you get is pathetic bleating.
gabriel_laddel: "noooo mr. ss man, I was baaaah, a good baaah bah baaah citizen baaaah baaah"
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gabriel_laddel: "no, baaah, not my laambs!" "I paid my baaah taxes!" *bleating continues*
decimation: http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/16/illegitimate-no-photography-arrest-leads << apparently the police arrested this woman and accused her of being a terrorist for the crime of taking a picture of a display-helicopter in a public place
assbot: Illegitimate "No Photography" Arrest Leads to $1.2 Million Lawsuit Victory - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKd4jo )
decimation: more sheeple beating
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gabriel_laddel: "It's a shame that taxpayers have to be on the hook for the criminal actions of their "servants" but it's still good when citizens let police know that there will be some consequences for rights violations."
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BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: But if they do wake, where to go?
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: dosen't matter really. have you met any American cattle? when the country fails they'll find themselves rejected everywhere / killed outright.
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
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BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I'm in the middle of the corral. As asciilifeform has mentioned earlier leaving is not easy.
decimation: lol apparently Illinois passed a law that makes it a felony to record a public official without consent
BingoBoingo: decimation: Illinois also sucks a big bag of dicks? What else is new?
PeterL: In response to the earlier talk of choosing a monarch, it made me think of the way the Mormon church chooses its leader:
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gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: of course it isn't easy. building Israel into somewhere you might actually want to live wasn't easy.
PeterL: current leader chooses people to fill vacancies in a 12 person council, those chosen serve for life
PeterL: when leader dies, the longest serving council member becomes new leader
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: this is however, a good thing. it will leave out the
PeterL: so to become king, you just have to outlive all the other leaders
gabriel_laddel: cattle from "eden", wherever it ends up being.
BingoBoingo: decimation: The only local police force called out by name in the UN indictment of the US human rights record? The Shitcago police department. http://qntra.net/2014/12/un-report-criticises-united-states-on-human-rights/
assbot: UN Report Criticizes United States on Human Rights | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKeOsT )
decimation: lol awesome
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: A thing I am experiencing is when one rejects the local bezzel the local bezzel makes it hard to leave.
BingoBoingo: Unless one sufficiently accept the role of tame crank.
decimation: it's a good rule of thumb: states which require 'all-party' consent for recording are corrupt as hell
PeterL: my in-laws live in illinois, they always complain about the high taxes and lack of any visibile benefit from paying said taxes
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: You don't have to give up USD immediately if you leave the US.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: The one good thing Illinois has are roads downstate... Unless they are under construction.
decimation: PeterL: but the south side of chicago gets their reparations!
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Ah, but where to get USD outside of the bezzel!
PeterL: Illinois has obnoxios tollways too
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Only up north
PeterL: well, I only go up north
BingoBoingo: That's a problem
decimation: actually I wouldn't mind tollways if roads were fully privatized
decimation: Illinois just wants to charge thru-travelers extra tax
BingoBoingo: Missouri to Indiana or Kentucky to Iowa are toll free
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: come on. you're telling me that you can't set out for the promised land with 50k cash in your back pocket and be able to figure out some way to a) have bitcoin in the future and b) make enough USD now to live on?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I make efforts to acquire USD, but avoiding the honeytrap that is the drug business options are limited so I have a tent. Upon leaving with my budget first obstacle is the DEA's pet insecurity problem in Norther Mexico.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: sorry, pet insecurity?
BingoBoingo: So I wait, plan
PeterL: why not go the other way, through Canada?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Sinaloa and Los Zetas didn't grow themselves
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Opposite problem. Too polite.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: why not just fly out?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I think you severely overestimate my USD denominated holdings
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the very reason why it is still trivial to leave usa is the lack of an obvious destination.
PeterL: powered paraglider? Fits in the back of a pick-up, fly across border?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: right. so what I'm driving at is that one must make that destination himself.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: in most cases, yes.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: But can paraglider cross Darien without being commandeered for someone else's cause.
decimation: I doubt anyone will stop you if you just walk across the mighty Rio Grande
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: you're too poor to fly?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: For reasonable definitions of fly, such that goal is permanent escape.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: "reasonable definitions of fly" explain.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Poverty in USia is not just of money, also of passport
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: they're a couple hundred dollars.
BingoBoingo: Money is not the obstacle with passport.
PeterL: then what is?
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: everything I've got to my name fits in two bags. I understand that ascii can't leave because of equipment, but that isn't the situation for most people.
BingoBoingo: Pending fucking misdemeanor disordely conduct charge which has been ongoing for quite some time.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: equipment can be replaced, in theory. i can't leave because i'm of no use to anyone elsewhere.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: really now. you're unusable in, e.g., Israel?
decimation: BingoBoingo: maybe you can just ask for continuances until anyone who cares is gone?
BingoBoingo: But to seriously escape USia, even by land one needs a plan that cover not just the simple border crossing, but also the next hop to a candidate for a haven.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: aha. probably don't even qualify as good cannon fodder these days.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: why?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and what do you mean by cannon fodder - 130k/yr slave?
BingoBoingo: decimation: That's the current strategy, but I'm tempted to take it to a jury next year finally
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: old, somewhat out of shape.
asciilifeform: literal cannon fodder
asciilifeform: generally the main attraction of israel - military service
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: oh, lol. old fat guys can be perfectly good programmers.
decimation: all sorts of elites in the US (including government leaders) send their kids to server in the isreali army
asciilifeform: but i'm not a programmer.
asciilifeform: i'm a... sorta what naggum was.
BingoBoingo: Israel also for USian escapees also has the downside of being in orbit.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: you can't program!?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: copywriter?
asciilifeform: can. but try to avoid it.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform is a person for whom programing is incidental to his other goals
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: for now. say US drops off the map.
asciilifeform: if it drops off the map, i vanish into the same sucking black hole as my neighbours.
asciilifeform: easy.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: If USia disappears Israel probably becomes untenable as a state
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: really? because now they can't kill irritating brown people outright?
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: or?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Because they can't repel all of their enemies. Israel has had a chronic ally shortage.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: hmmm. I don't know much about the situation there and will refrain from commenting on it.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I mean South Africa and Rhodesia were Israeli allies at one point, but...
PeterL: If US disappears, then many of the other US allies will be having problems, so will be unable to help Isreal
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: PeterL: And then there's the part where many US allies are explicitly not Israel allies
BingoBoingo: Not enemies, but not allies either.
PeterL: What is the current relationship between Russia and Israel?
PeterL: Where's the wot chart for countries?
BingoBoingo: I dunno there real is a serious one. States are sluts. They all flirt with each other until someone gets the clap. Russia though does better business with Israel's neighbors.
PeterL: so sort of a L2 -1?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Sort of a no public rating deal
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: consider this a request for a qntra article entitled "the promised land" with exit points: Russia, Israel, Argentina & China weighing the relative tradeoffs of each with the angle that the US is going to fail. things I'm interested in knowing about each territory: character of the rule of law, taxes, status of the tech scene, character of the gov., description of major cities, # of nuclear reactors and thei
gabriel_laddel: r locations, military prowess, unemployment rates / economic status, known quantities of natural resources, criminal character, ease of purchasing land, electricity etc. & interesting historical tidbits.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: you left out an important bit - how much you (for particular value of 'you') even make sense there as a foreign devil
gabriel_laddel: also, how easy is it to get books from Amazon.
PeterL: and how much are you putting up on S.QNTR shares to pay for this book?
asciilifeform: for instance, afaik, white man anywhere in east asia is either a miserable wretch, a hermit, or largely confined to an enclave of his own kind.
gabriel_laddel: PeterL: its just a request, he has 0 obligation to follow up on it.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Authoritative record of the matter http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=325
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKliIa )
gabriel_laddel: *it's. fml, accidentally hit RET as was fixing
asciilifeform: and why on earth would you care about 'unemployment rate' ?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: If you have ideas you can submit a draft, but cazalla lives in a country where you can't get butter spreading devices without showing ID
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: "largely confined to an enclave of his own kind" how horrible....
asciilifeform: as useless a statistic as 'life expectancy'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if want to live among own kind, why leave where you are ?
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: absolutely correct. should be something more along the lines of "unemployment rate for skilled programmers".
asciilifeform: for $whateveryoudo
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm not living among my own kind as it stands.
asciilifeform: for instance, the unemployment rate for what i do, everywhere other than where i live, is 100%.
decimation: lol if the US suddenly disappeared Israel would destroy its enemies
kakobrekla: reading code?
kakobrekla: yeah thin market.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: exactly why it should be part of the "promised land" missive.
asciilifeform: working on projects largely conceived of by self, with folks with whom i have a years-long business relation
asciilifeform: with minimal gefingerpokening and dilbertism
gabriel_laddel: decimation: lol if the US suddenly disappeared Israel would destroy its enemies << this is sorta the impression that I currently have.
kakobrekla: ascii so basically you dont want to get your hands dirty.
PeterL: Would that involve Israel expanding geographically?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: dirt is ok. shit - no.
kakobrekla: when shit is decomposed enough its dirt.
gabriel_laddel: wtf is even being discussed.
decimation: PeterL: if the us isn't around, who is going to stop them from expanding?
asciilifeform: remaining empires ?
decimation: possibly
asciilifeform: say, il neighbours become vassals of ru/cn. etc
decimation: certainly not syria, or iraq, or saudi arabia, or jordan, or egypt
gabriel_laddel: 05:18 <kakobrekla> when shit is decomposed enough its dirt. << specifically referring to this.
PeterL: gabriel_laddel: maybe the metaphor has been stretched too far?
kakobrekla: well its how the world works! even shit can hide from entropy.
kakobrekla: cant*
gabriel_laddel: PeterL: missed this line. <kakobrekla> ascii so basically you dont want to get your hands dirty.
asciilifeform: it isn't about 'hands dirty', either
asciilifeform: but more about the fact that once you've lived as a man, do not ever again wish to live as a dog.
kakobrekla: still livin in a doggy house
kakobrekla: as a person.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: well, yes. I simply do not program anything other than Common Lisp. but because I can do this at $mylocation doesn't mean that there doesn't exist a soul in e.g., Russia who would be willing to pay me to do it.
asciilifeform: except i don't go around asking to be paid to program.
asciilifeform: i get paid to work on interesting problems. and, like other people who do this, it happens by cultivating relationships with people who have these problems.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and interesting problems only ever happen in the us of a?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: For him the network to find them does atm
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has it.
asciilifeform: i have no desire to be 19 again without any of the upsides.
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11BA5TG.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
asciilifeform: i watched it happen to both of my parents, when we emigrated
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: so you're of the opinions that a) it isn't worth my time to network with people in other territories and b) usg is going to collapse?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i can't possibly say what is - or is not - worth your time.
asciilifeform: was answering question re: self.
asciilifeform: networking with folks in other territories is, i think, a very good use of time.
asciilifeform: what do you imagine i do here in #b-a.
asciilifeform: i don't own any bitcoin assets, incidentally.
asciilifeform: am here purely because enjoyment.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: kk. I had somehow gotten the impression that you were of both opinions a & b, which I find odd.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm of the opinion that i, in particular, will die here in usa (and not of old age, either)
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm not one of those attempting to get you to emigrate and make the cardano in a jungle or w/e.
asciilifeform: i'm already making it in a jungle. but a jungle with warm bed, good food, reasonable instrumentation, and opportunity for work that doesn't send me in search of a pistol to fellate
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: right, however I seem to recall some #b-a persons attempting to convince you to leave the us for an actual jungle.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: iirc, that was mircea_popescu describing the virtues of working on inventions in a yurt in patagonia. but the thought experiment presumed infinite (or at least, adequate) funding.
BingoBoingo: It's an option that may become feasible, but assuming it exists would be prematurely optimistic.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: here's what i want out of life:
asciilifeform: !s live taleb
assbot: 1 results for 'live taleb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=live+taleb
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#852557 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 20:25:59; asciilifeform: mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yeah, difficult to get ahold of in bezzle land, which increasingly seems to prefer to "select a hero at random" (as per naggum).
asciilifeform: it is never 'at random.'
BingoBoingo: It's funny how even in pop culture Chicago police are acceptably more corrupt than in other jurisdictions. Maybe that impression though is for the other flocks. http://www.hulu.com/watch/703678
assbot: Watch Chicago P.D. Online - An Honest Woman | Hulu ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKsyUq )
kakobrekla: also relevant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833717 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 16:53:26; asciilifeform: xmj: if i knew, i'd become a sysadmin.
kakobrekla rains on parade
kakobrekla: sorry, i go.
asciilifeform: lol
decimation: BingoBoingo: what's even funnier is that pop culture is seen as a source of authority :)
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: anyone else sickened by 'sendmail' taking a whole mb of ram ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13201 @ 0.00060394 = 7.9726 BTC [-] {2}
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: can't find the naggum article I referenced earlier, but anyways yes - the process of choosing a hero in the USSA isn't by any stretch of imagination random.
gabriel_laddel: I stand corrected.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well pop culture is the garden where the regime grows expectations.
BingoBoingo: Doesn't matter if you are in East Korea
gabriel_laddel: lol
gabriel_laddel: "You too may grow up to be Mark Zuckerberg!"
gabriel_laddel: work hard for your wealth and you'll be rewarded with pointless labor and millions of idiots nipping at your heels.
BingoBoingo: decimation: I mean you don't feed cattle fresh salads, you feed them silage from the corn that was too useful for them to eat.
gabriel_laddel: "nipping at your heels" was not the expression I wanted. something closer to "you can speak random alphanumeric strings at people and they'll nod and smile at you. speak in an angry tone and they'll frown and shake their heads, but this and 'liking' things is the extent of their expressive and intellectual capabilities"
Luke-Jr: so I have less than 24 hours to decide whether to purchase an ewe & ram with the ability to avoid a 5 hour drive… any opinions? :p
BingoBoingo: Get them.
BingoBoingo: Sheep are "trailer fragile"
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: eh?
Luke-Jr: the reason I'd avoid a drive is that someone else in my area is picking up theirs
Luke-Jr: so I'd be giving them gas money to take mine with them or something
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Well sheep are more accustomed to being compelled between locations than other livestock, but they are still more fragile than the larger animals.
Luke-Jr: point is, they're travelling 2.5 hrs regardless :P
BingoBoingo: Well, make the other poor motherfuckers drive.
PeterL: asciilifeform: i don't own any bitcoin assets, incidentally. << what? I thought you were co-founder of S.NSA, you don't own any of it?
BingoBoingo: Do you really want to drive a trailer with an angry ram
asciilifeform: PeterL: i do in theory, but it doesn't work yet
BingoBoingo: "Own" and "own" are different things
asciilifeform: PeterL: and i was here for some time prior to it
asciilifeform: i don't own any serious quantity of any kind of thing one might wake up in the morning and compulsively check the 'worth' of.
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: problem is, I don't have any crops planted for them to eat yet, and the fence isn't really setup ideally yet
BingoBoingo: What kind of Catholic isn't ready to be a Shepherd?
danielpbarron: 11:29 <+decimation> I bet outlaw restaurants have good food too << reminds me of a place nearby that used to have great food until the owner got ousted for tax evasion; under new management the food sucks
gabriel_laddel: ;; gettrust Luke-Jr
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user Luke-Jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gabriel_laddel&dest=Luke-Jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Luke-Jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
danielpbarron: hah i was just thinking of doing that
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Luke-Jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Luke-Jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Luke-Jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: supposedly, I could have someone walk them until we figure out the fencing
Luke-Jr: eg, so they eat grass
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Well, what are kids for? Just make sure they have had their anthrax shots.
Luke-Jr: anthrax? wat?
asciilifeform: emacs aficionados! turns out, openbsd has a separate 'emacs21' port, of that version, sans all of the retardation and shitgnomery
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: It's traditionally a woolcutter's disease.
Luke-Jr: hrm, that sounds scary. especially infection via eating the meat
Luke-Jr wonders if it can be tested
PeterL: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: PeterL: BingoBoingo why thank you, but I have nothing more to say tonight unless something interesting comes up or someone wishes to address me.
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: You may not have an interest in farm ailments, but if you farm they will be interested in you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2819 @ 0.00058901 = 1.6604 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1084/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 45(Y):55(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.3 BTC. Current weight: 98,559.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 328.8, Best ask: 329.81, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 329.81, 24 hour volume: 17308.89013788, 24 hour low: 325.94, 24 hour high: 344.38, 24 hour vwap: 335.538451229
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00059796 = 9.3581 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00058901 = 5.1538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00058901 = 9.0708 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 210 @ 0.12008522 = 25.2179 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00060658 = 6.8544 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17481 @ 0.0005956 = 10.4117 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8919 @ 0.00058609 = 5.2273 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20919 @ 0.00058472 = 12.2318 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8369 @ 0.00058853 = 4.9254 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 926 @ 0.00121207 = 1.1224 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 932 @ 0.0012 = 1.1184 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00059509 = 4.3442 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8466 @ 0.00058494 = 4.9521 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1500 @ 0.0012 = 1.8 BTC
davout: BingoBoingo: i think catholicism isn't too far from qualifying as a 'farm ailment'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00058444 = 7.5101 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7399 @ 0.00059509 = 4.4031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15327 @ 0.00058381 = 8.9481 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: gabriel_laddel: cazalla: consider this a request for a qntra article entitled... <<< good idea, noted.
cazalla: gabriel_laddel: PeterL: its just a request, he has 0 obligation to follow up on it. <<< ya, let the man share his ideas, no harm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4023 @ 0.00058238 = 2.3429 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1667 @ 0.0012 = 2.0004 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00059509 = 3.8383 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8820 @ 0.00020899 = 1.8433 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19177 @ 0.00058238 = 11.1683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3360 @ 0.00057883 = 1.9449 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00058384 = 7.0645 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00061793 = 4.0165 BTC [+]
adlai: market wanna test new lows, eh? fuckaduck.
adlai: (not there yet, but looks like it's on its way)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00062377 = 2.6822 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5527 @ 0.00061793 = 3.4153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14419 @ 0.00062779 = 9.0521 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00059528 = 3.5122 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13369 @ 0.00061407 = 8.2095 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1815 @ 0.0006306 = 1.1445 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00063028 = 5.704 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38190 @ 0.00063592 = 24.2858 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00062304 = 8.8472 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00062304 = 2.3987 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13542 @ 0.0006055 = 8.1997 BTC [-] {3}
mats: http://www.japanesebugfights.com
assbot: Japanese Bug Fights .com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BY4hpm )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00063327 = 6.0794 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: ;;rate copumpkin 1 https://twitter.com/copumpkin
assbot: Dan P (@copumpkin) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoMZAM )
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user copumpkin has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1785 @ 0.00059779 = 1.0671 BTC [-]
mats: http://fox2now.com/2014/12/17/school-punishes-blind-child-by-taking-away-cane-and-replacing-it-with-a-pool-noodle
assbot: School punishes blind child by taking away cane and replacing it with a pool noodle | FOX2now.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zw0XkR )
kakobrekla: !up mius
mike_c: thanks mats. i just threw up.
kakobrekla: i had to google pool noodle first.
mike_c: ah, i meant the bug fights.
mike_c: is that one disgusting too? i'm not looking.
kakobrekla: ah i havent reached that far yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27646 @ 0.00063954 = 17.6807 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00063975 = 7.773 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/12/17/plumbing-truck-syria/20523873/
assbot: Islamic militants buy plumber's old truck, use it in Syria ... ( http://bit.ly/1AchJqt )
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i get paid to work on interesting problems. and, like other people who do this, it happens by cultivating relationships with people who have these problems. << this "work must be fun" trope again
kakobrekla: he is just caught in a local pain minimum.
ben_vulpes: "learned helplessness"
jurov: lol the hate
ben_vulpes: fight drama with drama
mats: the bug fights are pretty cool.
mats: there's one where a scorpion lookin thing flips a wasp, pins it, and then kills it by eating his butt
mats: my hero.
kakobrekla: link?
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XPBGER.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
mats: http://www.japanesebugfights.com/15.htm
assbot: Japanese Bug Fights .com ... ( http://bit.ly/13yobMx )
mats: the wasp wins, actually
kakobrekla: aha the wasp danced him do death
kakobrekla: this is a good one, gets it in the fukin eye http://www.japanesebugfights.com/11.htm
assbot: Japanese Bug Fights .com ... ( http://bit.ly/13yrhQt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13882 @ 0.00064387 = 8.9382 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: l0l
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00063594 = 7.5995 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: https://gnupg.org/ is asking for donations
assbot: The GNU Privacy Guard ... ( http://bit.ly/1sAtW1H )
mats: no buttcoin option
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12363 @ 0.00064143 = 7.93 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 41 minutes and 42 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9095 @ 0.00063194 = 5.7475 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 334721 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1950 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32880018383.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -16.67015
punkman: ow
mike_c: no way. gribble is confused.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00064784 = 10.6894 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: ;;calc (14 * 60) / (334722 - 334656)
gribble: 12.7272727273
mike_c: oh. hm. my apologies gribs.
thestringpuller: ;;nethash
gribble: 271537218.24
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13059 @ 0.00062252 = 8.1295 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up FBI-Agent
punkman: http://vimeo.com/111715711
assbot: GnuPG Finanzierung Thema im Bundestag on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZrRCf )
FBI-Agent: oh dang
mats: o hi
mats: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 315.98, Best ask: 316.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 316.0, 24 hour volume: 22383.75456503, 24 hour low: 315.23, 24 hour high: 337.0, 24 hour vwap: 324.937974664
punkman: mats, can donate BTC to gpg via https://www.wauland.de/en/donation.html#61
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 315.98, Best ask: 317.42, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 317.48, 24 hour volume: 22477.11534873, 24 hour low: 315.23, 24 hour high: 337.0, 24 hour vwap: 324.884551847
xanthyos: is that estimated percent change in difficulty in proportion to the price shift?
BingoBoingo: I think whoever suggestd shitty hardware dying is probably on to something
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/too-many-people-pay-ransomware-demands/
punkman: https://erisindustries.com/
assbot: Eris Industries ... ( http://bit.ly/1wM3J4m )
punkman: "Derived from the Ethereum protocol" because you can derive things from vaporware
thestringpuller: ~_~~.
thestringpuller: .~
thestringpuller: ~>
thestringpuller: .~
thestringpuller: ~>
rithm: http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/12/17/changetip-must-die/
assbot: ChangeTip Must Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1wM4GcT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00064453 = 5.1562 BTC [+]
undata: Luke-Jr: having read the threads on the gentoo bug tracker, you are confirmed as a slimy piece of shit.
punkman: http://threatpost.com/manufacturers-backdoor-found-on-popular-chinese-android-smartphone/109929
assbot: CoolReaper Backdoor Found On CoolPad Android Mobile Devices | Threatpost | The first stop for security news ... ( http://bit.ly/1wM61QQ )
Luke-Jr: undata: no u
undata: Luke-Jr: are your patches included in mainline bitcoin by default?
undata: if not, explain why you tried to sneak them in by using your position as gentoo maintainer
undata: that's incredibly dishonorable
Luke-Jr: undata: I would reject them myself if anyone ever proposed merging to mainline
undata: then why are you fucking up gentoo for gentoo users like myself?
Luke-Jr: I didn't try to sneak anything in, the plan has been clearly published for months, and ensures nobody ever receives them without being aware
Luke-Jr: and it doesn't screw up anything
undata: ... "the plan has been established" << this is the passive-voice of banal evil
undata: Luke-Jr: you exclude services based on your opinion
Luke-Jr: nope
Luke-Jr: spam != service; fact != opinion
undata: Luke-Jr: what constitutes "spam" is an opinion
undata: you are precisely the kind of dull mind I want nowhere near my money.
Luke-Jr: undata: perhaps, but in this case it is an opinion 100% of Bitcoin experts agree on
asciilifeform: the real fools are the gentoo mainainers, for not chucking this crud out.
Luke-Jr: undata: then disable it
joecool: asciilifeform: he is the gentoo maintainer
undata: other gentoo folks bopped him on the head for trying to slime it in as default enabled
undata: Luke-Jr: which is again, incredibly dishonorable behavior
Luke-Jr: undata: not nearly as many as the Gentoo folks who encouraged it
asciilifeform: joecool: the one remaining gentoo man?
Luke-Jr: undata: no, giving good defaults is not dishonourable.
joecool: asciilifeform: oh not the only one, just the one maintaining these ebuilds
undata: Luke-Jr: satoshi left out a feast; you are a fly crawling on it claiming it as your own.
undata: you clearly see it as "software thing I can hax on for great glory" and nothing more
Luke-Jr: undata: troll
undata: Luke-Jr: coward, who cannot handle being opposed.
Luke-Jr: reasoned opposition is one thing. trolling by making bogus FUD and claims of my intentions is another.
undata: no one gives a shit about your intentions
undata: it's the obvious consequences of your actions that are in question
Luke-Jr: obviously. you'd rather make them up, than give a crap what they really are.
Luke-Jr: there are no negative consequences.
joecool: undata: you just don't get the Tonal System do you
Luke-Jr: joecool: …
kakobrekla: !up keystroke
keystroke: thanks
keystroke: now if only my WoT pgp key was not on another continent...
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust keystroke
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user keystroke: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=keystroke | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=keystroke | Rated since: never
joecool: o seems legit
joecool: ;;gettrust kakobrekla
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
keystroke: lol
keystroke: i am definitely *not* trusted ;)
kakobrekla: so who are you and what do you do?
keystroke: ah at the moment i am traveling in india
keystroke: mined back in 2009 for a bit and then from 2011 to late 2012
keystroke: i was checking MP's blog and thought i should come here to get into the WoT as i thought i had registered back in the day but never made any transactions
keystroke: just for the general fun of supporting the cryptoanarchist ethos ;)
joecool: ;;gpg info keystroke
gribble: User 'keystroke', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1o1BcShERS9B7nqfc9aGb7C3ns7gcicBn, registered on Sat Oct 6 11:50:59 2012, last authed on Sat Oct 6 08:53:40 2012. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keystroke . Currently not authenticated.
keystroke: i suppose i can auth by signing a message with the private key of that bitcoin address?
keystroke RTFMs
joecool: keystroke: yes, you never registered with gpg
joecool: only a btc addr, so provided you still control the private key for that address, you should be able to auth
keystroke: i never delete private keys but that wallet is in cold storage so i will just recreate with a different identity and start anew as the old one never had any reputation anyway :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6944 @ 0.00064453 = 4.4756 BTC [+]
joecool: as you wish, though you won't be able to corroborate your story of registering and being in the community early on if you do that, if that matters to you at all
keystroke: yea i know that's a shame
keystroke: i can just sign something with addresses from coins mined in 2009 though ;)
keystroke: that should give me enough cred :P
BingoBoingo: Sure
keystroke: i am glad to see a crypto only reputation system here
keystroke: actually being taken seriously that is
kakobrekla: are those coins still sitting on the same address they were mined on?
keystroke: no
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16456 @ 0.00060286 = 9.9207 BTC [-]
keystroke: but i control all of the keys
kakobrekla: then you cant really prove anything about those coins.
keystroke: well by signing with both keys you can prove you held the keys when they were generated and currently control them
keystroke: but i think the main idea is to prove generation keys anyway as the idea is to establish an early position rather than a certain size of bitcoin holdings which is ideally kept mostly private
keystroke: right?
BingoBoingo: I can kind of see that
kakobrekla: sure, that proves certain things.
keystroke: ;;gpg info keystrike
gribble: User 'keystrike', with keyid CCCD74D054734EC6, fingerprint 282E81F4CB3F454E8C40F95ECCCD74D054734EC6, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Dec 17 15:18:15 2014, last authed on Wed Dec 17 15:18:15 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keystrike . Currently authenticated from hostmask keystroke!~keystroke@unaffiliated/keystroke . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
keystroke: yay
keystroke: yea the idea is to establish trust by trading anyway
joecool: that is more ideal
joecool: i wonder if we'll ever see a market of people acquiring old keys....
keystroke: nothing can substitute for that
keystroke: haha would be cool
keystroke: numismatic value to the coin
mike_c: you keystrike or keystroke?
kakobrekla: he just made new ident
keystroke: i reregged as keystrike as i figure the keystroke identity can't be proven anymore as i never registered with pgp and that address is not accessible at this location
mike_c: got it.
kakobrekla: ;;rate keystrike 1 for the purpose of #b-a voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user keystrike has been recorded.
keystroke: thx :)
kakobrekla: easy come easy go
keystroke: :P
punkman: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/1052
assbot: oss-sec: Linux kernel: multiple x86_64 vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZ0JzL )
keystroke: design flaw in interrupt return... nice
keystroke: nothing like the old f00f c7c8 intel bug
keystroke: compare and exchange 8 bytes and die
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00063331 = 2.3749 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13913 @ 0.00063331 = 8.8112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12629 @ 0.00062081 = 7.8402 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: "bitcoin experts" oh my sides
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0006357 = 6.4841 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1298 @ 0.00449537 = 5.835 BTC [+] {4}
undata: ben_vulpes: what a crock
asciilifeform: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2014-12-16-en << icann owned.
assbot: ICANN Targeted in Spear Phishing Attack | Enhanced Security Measures Implemented - ICANN ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZfenh )
asciilifeform: apparently, genuinely and truly pwned.
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/mtgox-bankruptcy-trustee-answers-some-questions/
assbot: MtGox Bankruptcy Trustee Answers Some Questions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZfzX1 )
cazalla: wru scoopbot :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4929 @ 0.00063662 = 3.1379 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: scoopbot don't have the scoop?
kakobrekla: !up rdekley_
kakobrekla: !up rdymac
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13640 @ 0.00063343 = 8.64 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: http://deadline.com/2014/12/sony-scraps-the-interview-1201328639/ << well there go my weekend plans
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2405 @ 0.00064671 = 1.5553 BTC [+]
TomServo: Nah, you can just grab the torrent when 'GOP' release their 'christmas surprise' :P
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