BingoBoingo waits for the cold unforgiving march of money to turn cardano toolchain into workstation.
mircea_popescu: kinda why soviets became unpopular in central europe in the 80s
mike_c: aren't those IPS screens supposed to be the shit?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know, but... Nothing happens in isolation
mike_c: dunno. am researching now, usually a good idea before opening one's mouth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, they exist, but not really feasible for laptop from what i recall
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yep i have the same problem with newer laptops
mike_c: mircea_popescu: what do you like about the graphs?
mike_c: heh. i haven't gotten into svg yet, seems worthwhile though.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun: For exmaple, i would rate you a 1 (easily) based on our previous conversation, but it wouldn't accept it. << such pandering.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a sense, the fact that everyone today uses computers with porn screens, rather than coding screens
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, they're cinematic screens (wider than tall) rather than coding screens (taller than wide)
mircea_popescu: so in bitbet board kako proposed a motion to give punkman 10k shares too, which passed. you got a mpex acct ? or coinbr ?
mircea_popescu: all this ninjashogun bs polluting the logs... i keep skipping, who knows what valuable contribution of some legitimate participant falls through cracks thusly
mircea_popescu: and you'll end up with 50 kids each contributing a nickle towards it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: And unlike MtGox I hack on live php withou knowing php or crashing the thing. <<< this is pretty much why people like php
BingoBoingo: It's a language you don't need to know to fix... so far...
BingoBoingo: If it gets really bad drop it on the counter
mircea_popescu: assbot: NSA Mind-Bender: We Won't Tell You What Info We Already Leaked to the Media | WIRED <<< i was having a lulz earlier at that
mircea_popescu: kinda reminescent of all sorts of bureaucratic nonsense early on in the snowden saga, when they still thought they're living in old world
BingoBoingo: I still can't get over the misguided web design of the Snowden film website
mircea_popescu: i suppose the best way is to plug a router into itself and then the ups into itself making the coils go through each other
assbot: Arrest total upped to 42 at Ferguson police station on 'Moral Monday,' more events elsewhere : News
BingoBoingo: At this point if St Louis gets an obola case, whites and blacks will prolly agree it is ebama's fault
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hell, captain kidd supposedly did it at his hanging. << this.
assbot: Qntra Reaffirms That The WoT And IRC Yeshiva Are In No Way Optional - Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
cazalla: yeah but then qntra went and relaxed the guidelines, if need be anyway
BingoBoingo: Taleb could probably get an article in without 6 months reading.
mircea_popescu: well yea, but i mean, the only way to verify that part is through what the people say
mircea_popescu: as in, does this guy show understanding comensurate with a semester's reading
mircea_popescu: not like ninjashogun can come and say "hei guise, i got 6months in, that's it rite ???"
BingoBoingo: Well I dunno that ninjashogun has ever read anything. It might taint his seekrit ideas with prior art.
BingoBoingo: It is a disease of a lot of the swiftly discountable crackpots
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think anyone but you really sees the usg case officer angle.
BingoBoingo: Asks a lot of unanswerable questions about net worth. Derpy scammer is an angle usg has prolly tried before in tax cases.
BingoBoingo: The impression of incompetence offers tha failed agent quite a bit of plausible deniability
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
nubbins`: wait, ninjashogun is a plant?!
mircea_popescu: reviewing records, it seems i've been on the capitulating side of this argument once before
nubbins`: but i opened my books to that guy
nubbins`: receipts, invoices, everything
mircea_popescu: someone should make a bitcoin scammer cartman. sort of a karpeles - tom van dyke - rpietilla mix.,
BingoBoingo: I thought the tradehill crowd played that out already
BingoBoingo: Well in 2016 should be able to afford the south park guys
mircea_popescu: otherwise it feels just like jenifer lopez' mom winning the lottery
mircea_popescu: "o look guise, i have an article which sais people make fun of idiots! therefore your making fun of my idiocy is rendered null and void!11"
BingoBoingo: No, special internets has shorter bus and pipes
mircea_popescu: it's an interesting idea anyway. what do most people use, irssi ? xchat ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: emacs would be interesting if Stallman surrended and just had it replace Hurd in his grand scheme
mircea_popescu: "bingbot 0.0.0 Ben AsselstineBingbot turns you into an IRC cyborg. When someone says "uptime" to you, it answers them back with your uptime. When someone says "vi?" to you, it answers them back with the last file you opened in vim. When someone says "search: foo" to you, it gets a random link to a gif on imgur.com/r/gifs/new and shows them that. written in c++, requires glibmm, curlpp and sigc++."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still better than the x86 is nothing but shims all the way down problem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the basis of that description, easily extensible
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last time I tried that I realized I dun really know how to emax
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought carnations were the way.
BingoBoingo: Ah, around these parts carnations are "funeral flowers" So you bring the carnations and ask the girl if they remind her of anything. Inevitably she mentions an older relative. Then... That's about where we're at nao.
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> what is even the deal with xchat. / ignore user ALL doesn't seem to work. // you have to provide a hostmask for <user>
ben_vulpes: irssi's okay. wacky wacky architecture tho.
assbot: NBC's Medical Correspondent is Quarantined for Ebola, Goes Out Anyway
BingoBoingo: The thing about ebola is that people talk about it either like it's the flu and easy to spead or GRIDS which is hard to spread when it is in the middle, but leaning closer to the flu
mircea_popescu: actually it's pretty close to aids from what i gather.
BingoBoingo: But this shit doesn't work in two dimesions, because sweat can't spread GRIDS or the flu
BingoBoingo: And it really is GRIDS rather than AIDS to shame the system that could not forsee that most cases would happen to hetrosexual african women.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The actual demographics of AIDS vs the history of AIDS naming
mircea_popescu: anywya, it'll be hilarious once it comes out that whites actually have some natural resistence to the disease, which blacks do not. that sort of thing is what makes one suspect god is in it for the lulz.
xanthyos: <+mircea_popescu> no but see... be-gone-yas << this cryptic breakup pun is pilkingtonian
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> no historical example of this, afaik, but the totalitarian state is a rather young thing << Not so young, socrates tried to implement it
xanthyos: the fema camps full of empty coffins have already been built
xanthyos: it's more believable as a conspiracy theory if they don't go to the extent of telling the people there will be mass graves
xanthyos: maybe only the front row is coffins
xanthyos: maybe there's a lobbyist in washington who works for big coffin
nubbins`: make em the right shape, you can nest 'em like wading pools.
nubbins`: after all, what is a coffin but an oblong Rubbermaid storage bin?
BingoBoingo: I like the people who say "come on obola isn't zombie plague" not realizing that unlike pretend zombie plague obola leaves people real dead.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> xanthyos: that story never made sense - why would we get own coffins << it makes perfect sense if you consider it for the communicatioon exercise it actually is.
mircea_popescu: what';s better than a large pile of symbolically meaningful items.
xanthyos: ethanol prices go up because corn is used to make coffins from biodegreadeable vegetable cellulose
BingoBoingo: Also look how far people travel in their last days
BingoBoingo: Surprised moiety isn't returned asking for obola asylum in Australia
nubbins`: if only i can make it to terminus
xanthyos: heh i was thinking terminus as wel
nubbins`: <joecool> kyrio: hm, i had it in wikipedia for awhile that Seal's face was mauled by dogs as a child, stayed up for a year or so
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.09906876 = 2.3777 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: CIDRAP: "We Believe There Is Scientific Evidence Ebola Has The Potential To Be Airborne" | Zero Hedge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32817 @ 0.00073757 = 24.2048 BTC [-]
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BingoBoingo: danielpbarron> put patient in catapult << Not necessary, warm humid atmosphere is probably sufficient. Or ISIS member with bomb vest.
assbot: Radioactive material cleaned from Boise apartment - Idaho Press-Tribune: Local
danielpbarron: i was also thinking explosion, but wanted to point out this isn't reall an innovative idea
assbot: Amazing Resonance Experiment! - YouTube
assbot: drawesome +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the more developed a welfare state, the juicier a target it will appear to these travellers. << now this is an interesting point.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves well good teaching aid. otherwise kinda banal.
decimation: "the rule-following beetle men" << asciilifeform - the same ones who would conspire to breach attorney-client privilege ;)
mircea_popescu: only after it's the done thing would they flock to do it. but for now, they won't hear of it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17897 @ 0.00073559 = 13.1649 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00073757 = 17.4804 BTC [+]
decimation: "Last week, a dog belonging to an Ebola-infected nurse was euthanized in Spain, causing a national outcry. " << wtf
mircea_popescu: decimation the press is readily reporting "national outcries" of some topics but not others.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Pepperball is an over the counter thing
ben_vulpes: my naive schoolby wonder should be a thing of joy for you jaded internet fags
nubbins`: so alice and bob enter a room, the entrance of which is controlled by carol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2822 @ 0.00073757 = 2.0814 BTC [+]
assbot: Confirming that /newsweeklied is the legitimate legal defense fund for Dorian Nakamoto.cc: /ethankirschner, /aantonop
assbot: Snapchat Hacked: 'The Snappening' - Business Insider
BingoBoingo: AndreasMAntonopoulos @aantonop 1m1 minute ago
BingoBoingo: @BBoingo No, I remember the time I tweeted source code that didn’t contain malware. Later, they added an executable with malware. Troll
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: WOO HOO HOO HOO WEBAPPS AND SOCIAL MEEEEDYA
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes probably the next logical step is declaring social media users chattel and starting markets for their buying and selling.
mircea_popescu: "knock knock" "who's there ?" "i am from b-a ma'am. i bought your daughter on otc. bring her out, don't bother packing anything"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes, pointing out Andreas spreads malware is now troll.
mircea_popescu: guy goes around neighbourhood in his vw van, taking deprs to their new basements...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo recall scammers calling mpoe-pr a troll back in the day ?
BingoBoingo: Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if obola was a greek thing
danielpbarron: EbolaCoin - the fist cryptocurrency to support ebola research!
cazalla: so the guy behind that australian bitcoin group, sam lee, is the same guy behind bitcoin reserve who got tricked into clicking a link which gave the attacker access to his gmail lol
assbot: Melbourne-based bitcoin fund lost $70,000 in a cyber-attack caused by US Marshals Service
assbot: [Auction] 2 entire full toe-nail freshly ripped off!
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i will update it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i wonder how much btc for a lb of human clits.
assbot: Interview: Sam Lee - Silk Road auction hacking victim. - YouTube
mircea_popescu: lol wait. he got owned by the usms while using usg operated silk road ?!
cazalla: the attacked got his details from the usms list that they leaked and then pretended to be a journalist to rope him in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44298 @ 0.00073464 = 32.5431 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: obviously their virtual personas have long been a commodity
thickasthieves: zonky: "yeah i wrote a calculator in ether, now i have to pay my computer to do math. ether is the future"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> declaring social media users chattel and starting markets for their buying and selling << this is sorta SOP already... << I mean Thiel was an early facebutt investor
kakobrekla: he saved passwords in his chrome browser.
mircea_popescu: oops, i mean... it was butt from the security up with a ground mind
thickasthieves: i knew these austrian guys that used to say "i made a castle" when they made a big shit
decimation: successes but they may be symptomatic of general failure"
mircea_popescu: today i learned that my name in chinses (米炮) has cannon in it!
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you know... this is either pareidolia or else wife's been away for too long ?
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> eh my name has tits in english << But it means dick
thickasthieves: i guess it's all pattern recognition, i'm a true american!
assbot: luke-jr_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
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luke-jr_: yeah, I was going to object to cult, but the dictionary says it's okay
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious what the mix of computer programming and neoprotestant fervor will yield.
mircea_popescu: i mean it did mate with rock to yield that xtian rock thingee
timeaftertime: Darwin clearly does not believe anyone but Darwin Fish is faithfully teaching the truth of God's Word.
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Luke-Jr: timeaftertime: why link that heretical site?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23618 @ 0.00073752 = 17.4187 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "time after time" is now in my head, notbad.jpg
nubbins`: ;;google time after time site:youtube.com
assbot: Cyndi Lauper - Time After Time - YouTube
nubbins`: her boyfriend does not like her new haircut
assbot: Cyndi Lauper - The Goonies 'R' Good Enough - YouTube
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kakobrekla: 20:21:35: <ehird> I hope asciilifeform open sources his FPGA flash disk card < heh, somewhere on irc, in 2009.
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: why not? it might still be interesting
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: nice, I spent $0 on marriage ;P
dub: you don't have a wife you have a slave
X-Rob: asciilifeform: they already exist.
dub: surprising luke and mp don't get along better
assbot: Confirming that /newsweeklied is the legitimate legal defense fund for Dorian Nakamoto.cc: /ethankirschner, /aantonop
BingoBoingo: @aantonop Wait, you are the one with victims, but I am the troll? @DanielJonss @DorianSatoshi @newsweeklied @ethankirschner
mircea_popescu: dub don't knock slavery as a domestic arrangement. beats any alternative.
X-Rob: asciilifeform: so now I'm intrigued and trying to find one myself, and ... you appear to be right
BingoBoingo: The truly scary thing is that as periperal as Andreas is... I think he has more fans than compromised Gavin and Hearn together.
X-Rob: asciilifeform: I'm a collector of old Z80 hardware.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're only computing one variable. his superficial fans aren't realyl worth all that much
X-Rob: ST-506 is the way to go
BingoBoingo: Wait, people use adapters and don't just cup their balls and ope shit works?
mircea_popescu: Dot TK is the only top level domain name registry that provides free domain names. Get your free domain name today, before it's gone.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you're only computing one variable. his superficial fans aren't realyl worth all that much << On this axis. I've met fans of his IRL which I can't understand.
X-Rob: that appears to be the closest, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, worthless in any sense we'd care. obviously he can sell them shaving cream or w/e it is he does for a living.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well these are the sorts of fucktards that wear "please rob me" BTC t-shirts and slacks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Are you using 1/8" or 1/4" plugs to talk to thise disks
mircea_popescu: "Mirror site if this site is slow highgate.comm.sfu.ca"
mircea_popescu: jesus remember the days pure html sites had problems with cpu usage ?
X-Rob: asciilifeform: that's very very current stuff. 2 weeks old.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You see that's the mistake. Talk to every device as if the conversation is an accident. Use the auido plugs.
BingoBoingo didn't have computer till this century, simply shocked self with disposable camera capacitor and then got the point
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> proof of infection << now i want a coin with proof of infraction
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wait, people made those in sufficient quantity to make labels?
X-Rob: asciilifeform: I played around with the Vortrax when I was a young bloke. That was a precursor to that I believe.
ben_vulpes: it was either going to be you or mircea_popescu, asciilifeform :P
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> <danielpbarron> proof of infection << now i want a coin with proof of infraction << artery, needle, glue
BingoBoingo: Now you're going to tell me fuckign Amiga actually outdid Macs and used a 6860 chip
X-Rob: is that the old crappy parallel-to-audio-out crappy sound thing?
X-Rob: I made one of them!
X-Rob: bunch of resistors and a parallel port
kakobrekla: afaik resistor ladder dacs are still the shit these days
mircea_popescu: mostly because by now they can be made within microohm
ben_vulpes: hey this is the wrong kind of dac for this channel
ben_vulpes: how can i dissipate max energy with other people's public keys, i ask you
BingoBoingo: Why did USB ever become a thing when microphone is much good nao
X-Rob: aww man that brings back me playing kings quest and leisure suite larry
X-Rob: with my computer MAKING REAL SOUNDS. IT was amazing.
mircea_popescu: we should have a bot that processes BingoBoingo's last six lines and calculates his blood alcohol
X-Rob: asciilifeform: I have some kids. They're... 9 and 6. These kids will never know what it's like to not have internet. This AMAZES me.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> !up PinkPosixPXE << now this is one of the better handle's i've seen lately
mircea_popescu: X-Rob like, remember back before dlh ? kids had to actually work for their gaming experience ?
X-Rob: asciilifeform: who's bombing whom?
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Pfft. These bastards with their saves and retries and everything. When we lost our third life, we had to start again from world 1, level 1!
X-Rob: Well if they could hold off for a while, I'm off to the US this week for a fortnight
X-Rob: at least let me get back to australia
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> we should have a bot that processes BingoBoingo's last six lines and calculates his blood alcohol << Note how much controls along this axis have improved though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4484 @ 0.00073687 = 3.3041 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: eventually finished it as an adult, playing with my also adult sister
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> im kinda curious what the mix of computer programming and neoprotestant fervor will yield. << have you met TempleOS yet?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for all his sin-sistience, mircea_popescu does miss things in the logs
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo true << I really can't blog drunk nao without excess effort and no golden toilets were purchased. FUKU NBC
ben_vulpes: templeos is esoteric enough to have slipped his radar
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: spec for carving kiwis, or a zealotous os?
ben_vulpes: no srsly we run templeos in production
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: templeos is nice if you know what to expect.
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BingoBoingo: basically temple os offers an giant x86-64 box of sand.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> sindy lopper << sindy loper << a+++ would boot again
BingoBoingo: Pretty much temple os is the 40 years stumbling around the sainai
ben_vulpes: aw c'mon nubbins` it's only what 1130?
assbot: Confirming that /newsweeklied is the legitimate legal defense fund for Dorian Nakamoto.cc: /ethankirschner, /aantonop
cazalla: legitimate but now it may be a scam
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> o look... i made a pun! << had to look twice
ben_vulpes: can't tell if light logs or light fiatcorp workload
BingoBoingo: cazalla: he called me troll because I said true he spread malware
cazalla: BingoBoingo, he will be in town next month, perhaps i take the video camera for an exclusive
BingoBoingo: Fuck, even tradefartress at least pretended to be ashamed when he was "haxxed"
mircea_popescu: cazalla harassing dimwitted bums may be a waste of time
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what to expect << i expect nothing, and so to be pleasantly surprised. is this a contradiction?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No, we know you identify as dog. Kind of dog is import nao.
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BingoBoingo: So I refuse to learn Andreas's last name. as a style guide is developed... Does Andreas the Greek work as a canonical term? Is it unambiguous enough?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24644 @ 0.0007343 = 18.0961 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo also wonders what part of dead andreas doesn't understand since his own followers made it real
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: You hear the story about the parent and the child. Their cat was pregnant, whole litter delivered dead. Child said "let's make crosses"
BingoBoingo: Once crosses were made child asks parent "Where are the nails?"
BingoBoingo: As I heard the story out, the kittens were not crucified in the end
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00073632 = 5.412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73650 @ 0.00073411 = 54.0672 BTC [-] {4}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.01, Best ask: 400.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 400.78, 24 hour volume: 25769.30867291, 24 hour low: 368.07, 24 hour high: 405.0, 24 hour vwap: 386.157670203
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 36364528238.0 based on data since last change | 36750497181.1 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00073413 = 20.1886 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11152 @ 0.0007343 = 8.1889 BTC [+] {2}
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I was going to ask that, and then I realised that I didn't want to know the answer.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8698 @ 0.0007376 = 6.4156 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 406.05, Best ask: 407.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.88000, Last trade: 406.99, 24 hour volume: 26885.68621359, 24 hour low: 368.07, 24 hour high: 407.82, 24 hour vwap: 386.98702471
xinxi: any options trader?
xinxi: ;;gettrust wangxinxi
xinxi: is there any options trader?
RagnarDanneskjol: not laughing @ you xinxi - just the comment left in your otc rating
xinxi: yah, he is a humorous guy.
RagnarDanneskjol: I assume you are asking if anyone here offers options trading?
assbot: MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00073454 = 14.1032 BTC [-]
xinxi: the volume is not bad.
xinxi: That’s interesting, but how to deal with the collateral thing?
xinxi: use an existing escrow?
xinxi: thickasthieves, can I know more recent volume?
xinxi: I am just wondering what happend to MPOE? it used to be good.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18922 @ 0.00073571 = 13.9211 BTC [+] {3}
xinxi: the volatility of bitcoin is too high
xinxi: building a vanilla options exchange is really quite risky.
xinxi: i am building an options exchange actually.
xinxi: but as vanilla opitons are too risky. I am right now focusing on binary options.
mircea_popescu: there's about a dozen scammy sites trying to get that working in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: there's about five hundred dozen scammy sites trying to get that working in fiat, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason binary options aren't used in finance.
xinxi: yeah, right. I know the situation.
xinxi: the binary options provided by them are OTC traded.
xinxi: that makes them gambling sites.
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xinxi: yeah, but i want to change the situation by building a fair exhcange.
xinxi: a place some one can trade using the black-schole models.
xinxi: yes, good question.
xinxi: i have been trading for more than 7 years.
xinxi: and I am a phd in computer science.
xinxi: I am also a honest person that people can trust, but i know this is hard to prove.
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None
xinxi: …i know that I did not trade using bitcoin-otc.
xinxi: thta’s why i did not get many ratings.
mircea_popescu: looky, point remains : you're young, you're smart, you wanna do something. that's fine. you're in no position to evaluate what's worth doing and what isn't, and are currently solipsistically proceeding towards something that's not worth doing.
mircea_popescu: your best move is to actually read the log, not like people don't get things to do all the time, that's actually worth doing
mircea_popescu: nanotube could the defaults on viewratingdetail.php be sorted by time rather than by rate'rs total point count ? it kinda pointlessly emphasises a meaningless measure, as-is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 162 @ 0.09360999 = 15.1648 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: sgornick was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 16 hours, 51 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <sgornick> > Bitcoin are B⃦, ฿, and Ƀ. <--- Which do you prefer?
xinxi: mp, I’m a bit suprised that you see so many things from me in such as short conversation.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sgornick you ever got a hold of cazalla in the end ?
mircea_popescu: xinxi all the things you don't say are informative. i'm a mage of silences.
xinxi: brilliant. but how do you know it’s not worth doing? is there any evidence for that?
gabriel_laddel: xinxi: if you don't mind my asking, where did you get your phd from, what is your favorite programming language(s) and why?
xinxi: National University of Singapore. it’s the best school of Singapore.
assbot: Sara X Does Mozarts Eine kleine Nachtmusik - YouTube
xinxi: my favorite programming language is C++, because that’s what I learnt when I was in my high school.
xinxi: mp, I very much want to know your point.
mircea_popescu: xinxi look, proof is a problem of the observer. i listed two major counts : one that it never went anywhere before, the other that it's already done, by bitbet. neither of these impressed you.
mircea_popescu: this means you're not particularly looking for evidence, you're moreover chasing a vision or w/e they call daydreaming these days.
mircea_popescu: i was like, having prop bets while watching it. "does he fuck the teenager"
RagnarDanneskjol: xinxi - there was a pretty decent case study summarized in the february statement
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mircea_popescu: here we go. course meanwhile wiipedia, reddit and the rest of the charade stoile it.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : "I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of
mircea_popescu: coming back to college and letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having finished this process of “thinking” I wired Carroll that I was ready to join him."
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - yeah for vanilla options, it is too risky, but I don’t see any problem with binary options technically.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00073936 = 2.9574 BTC [+]
xinxi: I think there is somekind of bias in the article about the phds.
xinxi: when I do research, I do not look for excitement.
mircea_popescu: my point is merely that throughout a man's lifetime, his thought process is and remains flawed.
xinxi: i solve problems, not matter how simple the method I use.
xinxi: right, human see what they want to see.
xinxi: that’s an interesting point.
xinxi: Thanks to all of you for the suggestions.
xinxi: I actually have built the exchange.
xinxi: you are welcome to criticise.
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - Thanks. I just saw you registered.
xinxi: Oh, man, thanks a lot.
assbot: Azelphur/django-bcauth GitHub
xinxi: Thanks. It looks quite interesting to me.
xinxi: I need to go for lunch, ttyl.
xinxi: This is a truely nice place.
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: almost there, but all the moving parts with threads due to supybot/electrum make my head hurt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 95 @ 0.09995368 = 9.4956 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: mircea_popescu: about those bbet shares, can they be delivered in a year or something? don't want to let them evaporate via coinbr fees just yet
mircea_popescu: this may be the first time in history someone asks to have shares tranferrred into warrants o.O
punkman: seems like the only sensible option at this time
cazalla: mircea_popescu, he has not been back since he mentioned the feed
cazalla: i left him a note anyway, i'm sure he will see it eventually
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21111 @ 0.0007387 = 15.5947 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00073973 = 26.0015 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18723 @ 0.0007411 = 13.8756 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: so many wallets being released
assbot: Unlike Bitcoin, Gold or Silver - - - StartCOIN (when held at /StartJOIN) pays diviends EVERY WEEK. Currently ann. rate = 34%
cazalla: i guess maxcoin has run its course
cazalla: maybe he lost his bitcoins, i can't imagine why someone would promote this shit otherwise
xanthyos: he's against gold and silver now too?
xanthyos: max keiser just promotes the agenda of the highest bidder
xanthyos: ever think about what max keiser and stacy herbert look like when they're fucking?
jurov: ;;calc 10000*0.0003
jurov: punkman not exactly evaporating. and upcoming divs should make up for it
punkman: jurov, oic I missed a zero there
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00036 / 0.00036 / 0.00036 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC)
empyex: jurov: [S.BBET] Bids: 100 @ 0.00035100 13590 @ 0.00035000 50 @ 0.00020000 5000 @ 0.00014000
empyex: jurov: [S.BBET] Asks: 2000 @ 0.00049000 10000 @ 0.00049950 9000 @ 0.00050850 5000 @ 0.00050899
punkman: oh 4.9btc on the other end, sweet
punkman: I should put more features in the thing
punkman: I've only heard from one user so far, and kako using it to ddos himself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00074035 = 6.8112 BTC [-]
empyex: jurov: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00073835 high: 0.00074368 low: 0.00073409 volume: 1725584 btc: 1274.0802329 7 day: average: 0.00073989 high: 0.00074875 low: 0.00073409 volume: 6100751 btc: 4513.85881377 30 day: average: 0.00074652 high: 0.0007685 low: 0.00073409 volume: 22540649 btc: 16827.02219652
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00073409 / 0.00073834 / 0.00074368 (1725584 shares, 1,274.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00073409 / 0.00073988 / 0.00074875 (6100751 shares, 4,513.86 BTC), 30D: 0.00073409 / 0.00074651 / 0.0007685 (22540649 shares, 16,827.02 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00074105 = 13.9317 BTC [+]
jurov: good we have two. yet better they don't diverge.
xinxi: is there any body still here?
cazalla: xinxi, it is usually quiet around this time
xinxi: i guess there are seldom any people from GMT+8.
cazalla: a few +10 like myself but not many
RagnarDanneskjol: know any good local btc traders - I have a newb might need a hookup...jewelery dealer
xinxi: oh, I like melbourne. the chinese foods there are good.
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, none that i can recommend
xinxi: I also camped there during the winter and when it’s raining and windy.
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, coinjar costs an extra 10% now, there is cointree.com.au although i have not used them, a few people on localbitcoins
xinxi: the exchange commission fee and wire fee in australia is bloody high as far as I know.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea - forgot I heard the 10% madness. hmm - will look into localbtc for him then
cazalla: i guess you can use circle, that is what i'm using now, i just transfer the coins out immediately
cazalla: circle is cheaper than coinjar
cazalla: they are iffy on australian credit cards, some people report luck, others not
cazalla: that bitcoin group will do cash buys over $5,000 otc in their office
xinxi: cazalla university of melbourne and ANU, which one is better?
xinxi: my wife is going to study there next year.
cazalla: nfi, i didn't finish school let alone attend uni
cazalla: probably both full of marxists cunts though, they are everywhere down here
xinxi: why does it sound like racism to me?
cazalla: because asians come here and play the victim all the time, i dunno
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xinxi: yeah, a little bit, because my wife is going to study there.
xinxi: she is a very nice person.
Azelphur: Didn't go to uni or finish high school here, no need to hate people that do
cazalla: i don't doubt that but as we say down under, you both might need to harden the fuck up if what i said upset you
Azelphur: Education system works for some, and doesn't for others, etc
cazalla: Azelphur, i didn't even say anything hateful or racist
cazalla: Azelphur, at least not until he accused me of doing so, i'd hate to disappoint
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00073892 = 17.3277 BTC [-] {3}
Azelphur: cazalla: you remind me of a schoolkid chanting "Aww you gonna cry" repeatedly, while you just look at him thinking "what...what is wrong with you?"
RagnarDanneskjol: exactly- - thats the point - aussies are tough as shit - I imagine the schoolyard bullies there make any others look like pansies
xinxi: Anyway, I don’t worry about that much. as when I went to AU, I saw most people are pretty nice there.
cazalla: sounds like the right attitude when visiting
xinxi: but it’s no the right attitude when working or studying there?
cazalla: xinxi, did you enjoy your time here? everyone says aussies are nice people yet say we're all racist, it's just a misunderstanding
cazalla: for example, we call our friends (mates) cunts and blokes that want a bit of biff (cunt) a mate these days
xinxi: yes, i did enjoy my time there. most people are quite kind hearted.
RagnarDanneskjol: should have everyone watch a ronnie johns orientation video upon entering the country
xinxi: i see. cunt is usually forbitten in the US.
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, pretty much, it would avoid people like Azelphur getting the wrong impression
cazalla: cunt is sorta like our version of nigga, you can call friends cunts but you wouldn't go up to some random and say what's up cunt
cazalla: unless he really was a cunt, then you would call him mate and ask if he wanted to punch on
RagnarDanneskjol: yea - that one still throws me offf everytime I hear it, guess i need to htfu
punkman: ;;rate [ident cazalla] 1 bunny killer | qntra.net chief
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.06, Best ask: 402.28, Bid-ask spread: 2.22000, Last trade: 402.28, 24 hour volume: 31128.94064742, 24 hour low: 373.87, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 394.085107692
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64400 @ 0.00073865 = 47.5691 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00074118 = 16.4542 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00073941 = 24.1048 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: was it said anywhere what will be s.qntr revenue source? iirc ads and affilitare links were ruled out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26367 @ 0.00073924 = 19.4915 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23283 @ 0.00073733 = 17.1673 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00073693 = 12.0488 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: "To that, I say, the website’s profitability is in no way, shape, or form your business or your problem. Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’kno
RagnarDanneskjol: w?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not get
RagnarDanneskjol: ting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your problem is when you do, y’know?Your business is not getting scammed and your prob
assbot: SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
assbot: Just Listen: Ed Prosek – Hold On Tight | poppedmusic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27847 @ 0.00073644 = 20.5076 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mist you work with random security outfits that can't handle "thousands of incoming freenoders" and get raped by nsa on a regular basis but you won't talk to the people that eat nsa for lunch. why so derpy already ?!
mircea_popescu: i suppose in retrospect the answer is, as it is usually the case, contained in the question.
jurov: RagnarDanneskjol was that an answer to my q?
assbot: [ANN] Coinut.com - Bitcoin Options Exchange
xinxi: and got a reply: the fact you got a username that could be seen making you a chinese scammer
xinxi: makes me think hell no will you ever seen 1 Satoshi of my money
xinxi: i'm sorry but noone will risk money with you
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for BlueMeanie4, Daniel_Krawisz, davidldubuc, DTdirk, indolering, JuliaTourianski, Michael1, mist, normalra, nubbins, perdent, princessnell, ragmondo, RPrpRP, sgarnick, sgornick, tbz1, tweeeaks, usagi, wywialm, and Zerock.
jurov: xinxi have you replied to gabriel_laddel's review?
gribble: Sent 4 days, 15 hours, and 23 minutes ago: <cazalla> send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck
xinxi: where is the review?
jurov: !s gabriel_laddel pastebin
jurov: xinxi writer not reader!
xinxi: Oh, this review is wonderful.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Unlike Bitcoin, Gold or Silver - - - StartCOIN (when held at /StartJOIN) pays diviends EVERY WEEK. Currently ann. rate = 34% <<< that's one way to sell the entire demurage thing
xinxi: I did not expect people will write such a detailed review.
G________: Hey all, super n00b here - sorry. I am trying to verify with gribble, not sure what to do with the challenge string.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: maybe he lost his bitcoins, i can't imagine why someone would promote this shit otherwise << i don't think you understand max keiser. this is what he does.
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
jurov: G________: more specifically, download it and decrypt
mircea_popescu: jurov: good we have two. yet better they don't diverge. <<< b-a is apparently not short of miracles i tell you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00073744 = 38.2731 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: xinxi: she is a very nice person. << well as long as she's not a marxist should be fine ?
xinxi: she does not even know what marxist is.
xinxi: … girls don’t like politics. you know
mircea_popescu: i don't know. i know least about china than about most things
xinxi: that’s understandable.
xinxi: at least it’s comprensible.
xinxi: I can see it’s not translated using google
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46614 @ 0.00073793 = 34.3979 BTC [+] {2}
xinxi: yah, I can see the difference.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't expect it to the fifth classic, but, generally, how does chinese classify as far as the native speaker is concerned ?
xinxi: If you want to show this to a chinese native speaker, it’s better to improve it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00073651 = 20.9169 BTC [-]
xinxi: I can feel many parts were just literally translated from english.
mircea_popescu: what's the impression that generally gives ? ridiculous ? annoying ?
xinxi: it feels a bit stiff.
mircea_popescu: boy i gotta say i love gabriel_laddel's style lol. linking to raw text, stars and tubes and shit.
mircea_popescu: "you do this how exactly? the interface runs in the browser but is written in C++? do you know something that I don't?" << cgi-bin baby! it's been there since before php was even invented.
xinxi: yeah, it’s a cgi program.
xinxi: yes, cgi does have issues.
xinxi: it’s more difficult to maintain and requires compile.
xinxi: but usually, it’s much much faster than php.
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 410231.4869 USD and would take the last price up to 415.0900 USD, resulting in an average price of 410.2315 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0431 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 4485257.6709 USD and would take the last price up to 526.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 448.5258 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 8.1685 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 23550.527 bitcoins, for a total of 18333428.3555 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 19.2906 seconds
jurov: xinxi security should be much bigger concern here than speed
xinxi: so I use a page to explain that.
xinxi: do you have any suggestions on that?
mircea_popescu: xinxi: i see. cunt is usually forbitten in the US. << i hope you've not bitten any.
jurov: in my experience it is more about stuf like meticulously checking your input (such as no negative numbers,. broken unicode, sql metacharacters, etc.)
jurov: that must be helluva work in C++
mircea_popescu: "here is my ten line c program that does something, here are the 45479586947 lines which make sure it doesn't do something else"
xinxi: right, there are quite limited number of inputs. I double checked all the input data and make sure that they are right before they are sent to the database.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28325 @ 0.00073804 = 20.905 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cazalla: assbot is racist too << lmao. leave britney alone!
xinxi: mp, as he explained, it’s OK. but I was quite suprised I can meet people like that here before his explanation.
mircea_popescu: this place is different from pretty much anything you could have seen before
mircea_popescu: jurov: was it said anywhere what will be s.qntr revenue source? iirc ads and affilitare links were ruled out << well, a venue like that can be supported by subscription or advertising. leaning more towards subscription core with an advertising supported outreach, but it's really much too soon.
rithm: oh apparently it's an option exchange
rithm: does it cost 30 BTC to sign up?
xinxi: no, you don’t need any to sign up.
mircea_popescu: it can't be hacked, it's in c. says so on the /security page.
xinxi: coinut is some kind of nuts made from bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: ;;google you've got two coinuts and you're banging them together
rithm: i could go for a nice coinut sammich right now
assbot: Monty Python-Coconuts - YouTube
rithm: twitter bootstrap, godaddy ssl, c++ backend
rithm: what cotuld go wrong amir
xinxi: mp, i did not mention it’s c so it’s not going to be hacked.
xinxi: but our system is distributed, hacking the web program doesn’t make you rich.
xinxi: I did mention it’s c. but i did not claim the causality.
xinxi: yeah, it depends, but it’s harder to hack.
rithm: telling this channel it's not going to be hacked is like asking for a free pentest
xinxi: actually many people have tried to hack it. :-)
mircea_popescu: speaking of worse deals : to counteract what they call "inflation" but is moreover a very drastic "batten down the hatches" middle class response, which sent durable goods tumbling 70%!!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00073633 = 34.2393 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: argentine govt came up with a "buy anything on 12 months' time without interest, using your cc" plan
kakobrekla: <xinxi> actually many people have tried to hack it. :-) < any btc service that holds more than 10 btc is getting 'hack' attempts all day every day
BingoBoingo: Can anyone else see qntra this morning or is every one else seeing our page as suspended by the host?
mircea_popescu: their idea being that getting locals to use ccs more instead of cash will be worthwhile on the long term.
mircea_popescu: if this country doesn't go bankrupt and with food riots in 2015 you may call me names.,
rithm: This Account Has Been Suspended
xinxi: yeah, as a computer scientist, I pretty much enjoy watching them hacking my system.
rithm: /cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi () { }; bash -c 'true <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF <<EOF' ||
rithm: echo "CVE-2014-7186 vulnerable, redir_stack"
rithm: i'm just joshing you
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Cazalla is hosting it, I don't have panel access
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo look in your mail, i made you an account, should be fine.
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
rithm: i've got a root shell!
thickasthieves: bingo, btw, my page load issue never relaly disappeared
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo do you have cazalla phone# ? << no
rithm: pick up the mouse and say hello Cazalla
xinxi: rithm, are you really checking my site?
mircea_popescu: well so get it, you're in such diff timezones you can do 100% coverage, gotta be able to talk
rithm: why would i do that am i being paid right now
rithm: you guys need to call your system administrati
rithm: maybe change your dropbox password too amirite
xinxi: that sounds a good suggestion.
rithm: BingoBoingo didn't qntra basically scrape other sites
rithm: i thought you wer scraping away all the pretty from coindesk and plaigarizing it as your own
rithm: boy was a mistaken
chetty: I wouldnt be surprised qntra got ddosed
rithm: that might've happened
rithm: 8 year old botfarm ops ddos for fun these dyas i hear
rithm: i agree with kakobrekla
assbot: HardwareWallet.com - Secure USB smart card based wallet for crypto-currencies
rithm: what TOS did you violate BingoBoingo!?!
BingoBoingo: I imagint thickasthieves is right, got DOS, got suspend
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> they would take the ip offline then // not if it's a shared hosting setup
chetty: next article ...how we got ddosed in our first week ..
thickasthieves: maybe if they were a little nicer to their commenters!
thickasthieves: who cant love a site that tells self-important commenters to eat a dick?
mircea_popescu: imagine, thousands of girls that'll never know lesbianism.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo look in your mail, i made you an account, should be fine. << Still awaiting mail delivery
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.05, Best ask: 398.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 398.03, 24 hour volume: 30190.14237715, 24 hour low: 373.87, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 396.186816381
thickasthieves: you know you IRC too much when you think selecting text anywhere copies it
assbot: IMF: Austerity is much worse for the economy than we thought - The Washington Post
assbot: Truck containing 36,000 pounds of Crisco stolen in Florida | jacksonville.com
chetty: crisco might be better to trade at that :)
mircea_popescu: fun fact : crisco was invented in order to broaden the supply base for soap production
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 margerine (which is what all this crap is) is made by random esterification of various vegetable oils. results in longer chains, which are technically triglicerides
mircea_popescu: but becauise the process is random, a good chunk of them are innovative, which is to say, not found in nature
mircea_popescu: how their digestion works in humans is mostly a matter of chance
mircea_popescu: which i guess brings the side point for all the latter day big pharma purists : you oppose monsanto's genetic novelties ? how about margerine ?
chetty: asciilifeform, go for the shoe leather first, safer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16758 @ 0.00073804 = 12.3681 BTC [+]
chetty: I do wonder if the ebola panic will disrupt the jit delivery system - that could get ugly
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 i thought vegetarians had more needs on a distribution network than normal people
mircea_popescu: which accounts for why it only appeared after the industrial revolution made everything cheap and abundant
mats_cd03: meat spoils faster than dried goods.
mats_cd03: they're still poor, so they're mostly vegetarian, yes
mircea_popescu: i doubt you seriously are proposing starvation diets as your model.
mircea_popescu: vegetarianism as a chosen lifestyle != vegetarianism as a path towards untimely death.
chetty: you get hungry enough you wont care what the source of the calories is
mats_cd03: i have 40 pounds of quinoa and 40 pounds of lentils
mats_cd03: and a kindle with a hand-cranked microusb charger!
mats_cd03: if i had to, i'm prepared to single handedly rebuild some modicum of civilization.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the russian dynamo-flashlights ?
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chetty: uh, something is off here, a prepper that like monsanto ..no add up
ben_vulpes: today i buy metal halides to light the office, because flourescents are the root of all evil.
chetty: today i buy metal halides to light the office, because flourescents are the root of all evil.//nah just a little branch
mats_cd03: monsanto makes it possible to feed more people with less. whats not to like?
ben_vulpes: chetty: just a wee touch of the inflation hidden in decreasing quality.
chetty: mats_cd03, that it mostly kills those people ...
mircea_popescu: either feed more people with better or feed fewer people with better. but less... no.
mircea_popescu: "it's okay for things to go to shit, as long as there's more of us" ?
mats_cd03: it's ok for things to go to shit, as long as some of us can be more productive with the land that's left.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that i can in good conscience call that an opinion.
mircea_popescu: no but i mean... "joe thinks 3x4 = 12, moe thins 3x4=13" this isn't a difference of opinions, inasmuch moe's thing isn't an opinion.
mats_cd03: are you disputing that GMO crops increase yields?
mircea_popescu: suppose i have a car factory, and you came by and proposed to sell me a patented mechanism which when added to the factory, "increased yielkds' by 50%.
mircea_popescu: so i pay, you install it, and lo and behold, i am producing 50% more units
mats_cd03: so, a flounder gene spliced into tomatoes that permit growth in regions that wouldn't support tomatoes naturally
mats_cd03: this is not increasing yields of tomatoes?
nubbins`: it's not like people are buying monsanto seed and saying "hey, wait, this isn't what i paid for"
mircea_popescu: the entire "monsanto increases yields" fallacy is based on the fraudulent proposition that shit-tomatoes are = tomatoes.
☟︎ nubbins`: 're buying it and saying "fuck me and everyone i know who has this job"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yes, but a gullible public is scarcely an excuse.
nubbins`: it's only a crime if you can't afford to commit it
nubbins`: wifi-enabled printers, not the best idea
nubbins`: ever try sending your printer a 25mb document via wifi?
mircea_popescu: wifi enabled printers are great, you can send people pronz
nubbins`: great until you've got a court date in an hour and you can't get your evidence printed in a timely fashion ;/
ben_vulpes: they never come with modern chips, so i have to detatch from my primary network to use the printer in our office.
ben_vulpes: people are very aware of how stupid this is, because i email them things that i want printed to remind them that they bought a poorly featured printer.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.54, Best ask: 403.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.91000, Last trade: 403.49, 24 hour volume: 30406.49355436, 24 hour low: 373.87, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 396.288183921
assbot: Full Disclosure: CVE-2014-3671: DNS Reverse Lookup as a vector for the Bashvulnerability (CVE-2014-6271 et.al.)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: fair enough… "At this point of time the stock resolvers (in combination with the libc
pete_dushenski: library) of OSX 10.9 (all versions) and 10.10/R2 are the only known standard installations that pass the bash exploit string back and up to getnameinfo()."
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: a great deal of the shop's work is ios. can't not and do what we're paid for.
mircea_popescu: * PTR "() { :;}; echo CVE-2014-6271, CVE-201407169, RDNS"
pete_dushenski: "11-10-2014 Apple confirms that with DL1769 in place that "The issue that remains, while it raises interesting questions, is not a security issue in and of itself."
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: would ya happen to have any suggestions for this legal research? i'm drowning, atm -- i've got 5 relevant cases across 3 judges, and expended ~20 hours so far
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 i'd love to, but i can't do it in the abstract.
mircea_popescu: so tell me what you're doing and what the problem is ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 and i got a meeting now, so we'll resume in a few hours.
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: i am currently using the following search: JUDGE(BLAKE) & ("THE GOVERNMENT") & ("PAPERWORK" "PRIVACY" "SEARCH WARRANT" "ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE" "EMAIL" "SUPPRESS EVIDENCE" "HARD DRIVE" "TRANSMISSION" "WRITTEN") & DA(aft 12-31-1989 & bef 01-01-2003)
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: the problem is: too much noise and insufficient signal
nubbins`: i poked at that, way too much effort
mats_cd03: currently treating your list of judges as canonical
nubbins`: feel free to cut me in on your bounty
nubbins`: i had a dynamo flashlight once, and it was fucking useless
nubbins`: maybe they're better these days
nubbins`: i think it was actually a branded freebie, so definitely
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.11445789 = 2.1747 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.15825875 BTC to 16`125 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.97993760 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 520 satoshi per share
assbot: Analysis of the Linux backdoor used in Freenode IRC network compromise | Hacker News
assbot: MIT Bitcoin Trading Simulation Yields Profit of 89% in 50 Days
ben_vulpes: real MIT died with the lisp machines i guess
xinxi: is gabriel_laddel here?
thickasthieves: it's also hard to value what they did because you can simply tweak your trading method, backtest, and adjust til you get favorable backtest for the timeframe
xinxi: right, I traded for years in the FX market. Backtesting usually does not work well. The market is always changing.
xinxi: ;;ident thickasthieves
gribble: Nick 'thickasthieves', with hostmask 'thickasthieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk
thickasthieves: try using their method with hundreds or thousands of btc and itll fall apart
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None
xinxi: yeah, the impact the bot will be very severe then.
xinxi: are people working now? there are only a few here.
assbot: [ANN] Coinut.com - Bitcoin Options Exchange
xinxi: I am from a country without racism, so I am not very sensititve to that.
xinxi: yeah, I know. I just need to know the fact.
TomServo: xinxi: Seems more idiotic than racist.
xinxi: you know the reason why we hate jps.
xinxi: we don’t hate all japs.
mats_cd03: meh. japs are in their own circle of hell atm
xinxi: i hate the japs who killed so many people.
xinxi: but i like normal japanese people when i went to japan.
xinxi: especially because they inherited and preserved traditional chinese culture quite well.
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
punkbot: just setting up the account
punkbot: dry run worked, will try with actual BTC later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00073822 = 24.6565 BTC [+] {2}
xinxi: Coindesk is asking me to publish a review.
xinxi: do you guys trust coindesk?
assbot: /PeterMLambert Are you in /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets? If so, what's your username?
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PeterL has been recorded.
thickasthieves: but you reviewing your own site, paying them 1btc, makes them not a news site, but a shill
xinxi: yeah, it seems this defeat the purporse of a “review”.
thickasthieves: consider your own reputation in that transaction as well
thickasthieves: tell them they can review it and you will facilitate with a test account and interview
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00073931 = 31.051 BTC [+]
thickasthieves: if you pay, then they wont really review it, theyll just praise it
xinxi: anyway, you do provide useful suggestions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00073931 = 7.9845 BTC [+]
assbot: Analysis of the Linux backdoor used in freenode IRC network compromise | NCC Group
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2014 23:34:47; mircea_popescu: pronouncement #b : and then he spake thus : ye knoweth the evil people of the world know no rest, for the very fire of hell scorches their gullets on the inside so they may never sit quietly in a room. and therefore it will come to pass that they will put pressure on freenode, starting for instance last thursday.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22942 @ 0.00073805 = 16.9323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00073634 = 1.804 BTC [-]
assbot: Exclusive: More QE might be appropriate if U.S. economy faltered- Fed's Williams| Reuters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20056 @ 0.00073593 = 14.7598 BTC [-]
xinxi: hey, I need a market maker for my site.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 407.59, Best ask: 408.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.64000, Last trade: 408.24, 24 hour volume: 29325.78568430, 24 hour low: 378.97, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 398.164634543
gabriel_laddel: 16:18:34xinxi:is gabriel_laddel here? << people generally read the logs, and there is a feature for gribble known as ";; later"
xinxi: I read your comments carefully and have revised the site according to them.
xinxi: Thanks gabriel_laddel.
gribble: Error: "messages" is not a valid command.
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for BlueMeanie4, Daniel_Krawisz, davidldubuc, DTdirk, indolering, JuliaTourianski, Michael1, mist, normalra, nubbins, perdent, princessnell, ragmondo, RPrpRP, sgarnick, sgornick, tbz1, tweeeaks, usagi, wywialm, xinxi, and Zerock.
gribble: Error: "mail" is not a valid command.
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for BlueMeanie4, Daniel_Krawisz, davidldubuc, DTdirk, indolering, JuliaTourianski, Michael1, mist, normalra, nubbins, perdent, princessnell, ragmondo, RPrpRP, sgarnick, sgornick, tbz1, tweeeaks, usagi, wywialm, xinxi, and Zerock.
gribble: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
gribble: Sent 2 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, and 37 minutes ago: <TheNewDeal> hey what's your history like with kakobrekla?
gribble: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
xinxi: where is the note?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24989 @ 0.00073539 = 18.3767 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 412.0, Best ask: 413.68, Bid-ask spread: 1.68000, Last trade: 411.0, 24 hour volume: 29479.34772437, 24 hour low: 378.97, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 398.364299354
kakobrekla: the longest streak i had with pc was 72hrs
thickasthieves: for some reason i was sitting on my hand for like 20min and now my wrist is hurt
xinxi: thickasthieves, which timezone are you in?
xinxi: I see. it’s 2 am here. I need to go to sleep. talk to you tomorrow.
gabriel_laddel: 17:40:23xinxi:I read your comments carefully and have revised the site according to them. << tbh, I got bored within the first 1-2 minutes of browsing around. you probably want to pay someone who knows about copy, marketing etc. to fix it.
kakobrekla: thickasthieves do you find everything funny yet?
thickasthieves: nope, but i'm probly gonna consult some wacky tobaccy and a pillow soon
kakobrekla: me and my friend found that after about 24hrs things start to get funny.
thickasthieves: happened to me once too, but i was on some drug no one told me the name of
xinxi: yeah, a good designer is going to make it better.
kakobrekla: from the experiments above, only caffeine was allowed
kakobrekla: Thank you for submitting a ticket with us today.
kakobrekla: We apologize for the inconvenience. It appears that there is a stuck process on this hypervisor at this time.
kakobrekla: I'm going to escalate this ticket to get this cleared up for you.
assbot: HTTP 500 : Internal Server Error
thickasthieves: i have a feeling he's gonna hold the line and keep the excessive regs
thickasthieves: or at least someone who purports to be goat on tview chat
TomServo: hah, I didn't realize he was still around
assbot: Introducing S.QNTR pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: thickasthieves if 'goat' says he is going to sue lawlsky, its the real thing.
devthedev: BingoBoingo: I have a dedicated server at my house if that could be of any assistance.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: New hosting has been arranged, waiting for cazalla to wake up and aim the domain
BingoBoingo: Site was Dos'd yesterday morning, prolly Dos'd harder this morning
kakobrekla: <devthedev> BingoBoingo: I have a dedicated server at my house if that could be of any assistance. < you have a death wish?
BingoBoingo: devthedev: kakobrekla had to deal with BitBet DOs's
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 409.11, Best ask: 411.35, Bid-ask spread: 2.24000, Last trade: 411.72, 24 hour volume: 30648.07962933, 24 hour low: 378.97, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 400.402158319
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol send it to punkman's thing once it's up
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 the proper avenue would be to put all this into a large file and then grep the hell out of it ?
bounce: <jurov> in my experience it is more about stuf like meticulously checking your input (such as no negative numbers,. broken unicode, sql metacharacters, etc.) << perversely I do enjoy writing input parsers in C or C++. it's not even that hard, with the right approach, though some encodings make it unnecessarily annoying.
mircea_popescu: <xinxi> I am from a country without racism, so I am not very sensititve to that. << a) are you kidding ?! b) why'd you care ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56315 @ 0.00073436 = 41.3555 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: xinxi: do you guys trust coindesk? << the reason qntra.net exists is because we emphatically do not trust coindesk
mircea_popescu: and if you know any chinese people who would be interested in covering btc in china, from mining to anything else, there's prbably a job opening there
mircea_popescu: hickasthieves: they want you to review your own site? <<< who was saying earlier the coindesk spam is "not from coindesk" ? Hm ?
jurov: bounce and did your parsers ever underwent pentest?
assbot: South Korea identity thefts forces ID overhaul - Business - NZ Herald News
mircea_popescu: xinxi: cheap? << it's a scam. you're better off paying 1btc for facebook ads.
bounce: no specific pentests, no, but I usually do try and hit all the corner cases and esp. if it has to go back and forth, write both sides of the link so I'm sure they can talk to each other.
mircea_popescu: funny how mp has the news a week early and errrything.
jurov: bounce: I did HTTP stuff in C (dev/maintainer of ziproxy.sf.net) and it was just plainly impossible to do everything right, it had bugs all the time
mircea_popescu: the very few people i knew who actually got c code consistently right eventually gave up and moved to asm
bounce was on the receiving end of a project where there wasn't a reference output generator for their extraspecial hand-crafted "xmlrpc" parsing, written in stereotypical India.
jurov: HTTP in asm *faints*
mircea_popescu: jurov you know this is what they should have people do in prison. forget those dumbass straw braiding things
bounce: haven't really looked into
http but I'm not surprised it's on par with html, ie not really parseable. esp. the w3c specs stand out because they're only written for the html writer, with nary a thought to the parser writer.
jurov: yes, i'm quite a reiser fan
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: nsa doesnt let you tell when they tell you what to do << nah it wasn't a mole, it was an exploit. either the bash thing or something else not yet announced.
jurov: he should get allowed to continue from prison
bounce: shouldn't've killed the girl, there's much more deserving people in free software land.
jurov: Oh and i do agree, C/C++ *is* fun. Till you have to maintain it.
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: i dun get why these guys don't just move to saudi arabia.
mircea_popescu: it's just as much connected to the internet as rural pennsylvania or w/e
mircea_popescu: and if wife doesn't want to come you know right there she's angling to get murdered.
jurov: you ever murdered any?
mircea_popescu: and don't be dumb enough to live in any sort of common property arrangement, if that's what's bothering you.
bounce: gah. found a piece of software that promised to let me configure some obscure hardware I happen to have. doesn't compile on freebsd because linuxisms all over. yet it does have supposedly-freebsd-enabling #ifdefs here and there. something with release engineering, lack thereof.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i'm developing pains though, need better chair << you sound just like a kid that's overexicted about "being a trader" and about to do very dumb shit.
mike_c: +1 tat. take your winnings and sleep.
bounce: at least they're in good company
mircea_popescu: so i sent this notification thing to all the god damned blogs that were used in the ddos last month. like 80k in and im not even done in any sense.
mircea_popescu: the emails i get tho... because these are WORDPRESS users right, so they can't leave fucking comments, they email
mircea_popescu: half of them clearly have no fucking idea wqhat a computer even is. at all.
rithm: it's the box the porn comes out of, duh.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be surprised to find that something like a computer in three was actually raped
mircea_popescu: apparently they've been discussing it in their dedicated forum (50+ ppl mentioned it, NOT ONE thought to link the fucking discussions, because they're on the internet ,right ? what is a linlk ?)
mircea_popescu: the internet should never have been opened to the public.
mircea_popescu: you want to wank it to teenage pov poon, get a fucking degree.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 150 @ 0.01089999 = 1.635 BTC [+] {3}
TomServo: Mayhaps? Could be anything at a hippie festival.
assbot: Christian Dietrich / avremu | GitLab
rithm: it's some tried and true drug that was used recreationally for a half-century...except they added an isomer
mircea_popescu: "Here, when attempting to pick someone up or take someone out, “no” is not actually always a true rejection. Girls, perhaps as a shield against the chamuyo fired from all directions, are conditioned to almost invariably turn down guys at first and second, and maybe third approach. And for the other half of this symbiotic relationship, guys are conditioned to pursue with total abandon, which on (unacceptable) occasi
mircea_popescu: on turns into grabbing a stranger’s face in a club and trying to plant one on them, totally uninvited. In speaking with foreign-born male friends, the ambiguity of “no” comes up as the most oft-repeated frustration, as most have spent their lives understanding, rightly so, that “no” means to retreat."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17717 @ 0.000736 = 13.0397 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Software Does Not Fail
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 412.17, Best ask: 412.88, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 413.15, 24 hour volume: 30604.77095579, 24 hour low: 381.29, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 400.630767114
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 94 @ 0.1062766 = 9.99 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: anonabox : a Tor hardware router by August Germar — Kickstarter
gribble: diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 3 hours, 32 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <diana_coman> I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
kakobrekla: sez 'open hardware'. does it come with electron microscope ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30308 @ 0.00073803 = 22.3682 BTC [+]
mike_c: so don't use it to take over the world. still seems useful as cloaking device.
assbot: Log Commercial - YouTube
mike_c: ah ascii, just wait til you have a 300k backlog of orders for cardano
mike_c: cardano is last year's xmas gift
mike_c: tat you better go to sleep before you lose all your btc to the kiddies
mike_c: hard to go to sleep after successful all-night gambling binge :)
mike_c: ;;calc 440 * [ticker -last]
gribble: Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression. Please remove them.
mike_c: ;;calc 440 * [ticker --last]
bounce: huh. talk about useful error messages.
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2014 05:23:31; asciilifeform: i may have said it before, but i will repeat: s.nsa has a piggy (see mircea_popescu's site); every month, i invoice him for materials, get some btc. but, since i can't safely convert btc to usd where i live, i just sit on them. they will probably be buried with me. hence: s.nsa, presently, in practice runs on guess what (my pocket money...)
mike_c: you shouldn't sell it anyway. tea leaves are all pointing up.
bounce: oh the wisdom thrown away the world over, drinking tea but not reading the leaves.
kakobrekla: we can wait. as long as we get the wifi.
kakobrekla: yeah, but you would say that in either case
bounce gets the $5 wrench. one way to find out...
mike_c: bubble? we haven't even caught up to last bubble yet.
bounce: who's partial to bubble tea?
mike_c: hatemail is a poor motivator
kakobrekla: take my 5bux order in btc or else ill take my biz elsewhere ?
thickasthieves: seems like a problem that needs to be stalled, s.nsa being throttled that hard
mike_c: say it with me. "retail adoption doesn't mean shit"
thickasthieves: cmon you think shareholders would complain if the guy running the show needed to relocate on its dime?
bounce: you got more stuff to relocate than fits in a container and a suitcase?
thickasthieves: but as i see it the co has the budget and is severely crippled
bounce: that's what, two suitcases and one large container, thereabouts?
assbot: S.NSA, October 2013 Statement (1) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: thickasthieves prolly confusing with the S.MG
TomServo: mike_c: give him some sleepytime tea
mike_c: srsly. at least he stopped trading.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and 7k usd! one could build a small planet for that! << you have any idea what cisco and friends sell stuff like balancing routers etc ?
mike_c: thickasthieves: it exists if you run linux. i heard a rumor diana_coman compiled it on windows, but have not verified.
mircea_popescu: * jaggered (~vmatonis@c-50-178-42-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets
kakobrekla: i dont see them coming and im not going start to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17699 @ 0.00073398 = 12.9907 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, this is not something to be solved by technology
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> but as i see it the co has the budget and is severely crippled << eh, one of the major advantages of being listed on mpex is that people can make their own decisions. noine of that "gotta move to sf" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: im sure he has some sort of plan to extract himself, and well, he's the only one in the position to make that plan
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.55, Best ask: 411.69, Bid-ask spread: 1.14000, Last trade: 412.43, 24 hour volume: 30935.36426451, 24 hour low: 382.0, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 401.996809897
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46343 @ 0.0007339 = 34.0111 BTC [-]
assbot: Senate candidate dies in Iowa plane crash, hospital says
cazalla: BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Cazalla is hosting it, I don't have panel access <<< suspended for excessive use of resources, can't even access cpanel or ftp to make a backup, submitted a ticket
assbot: Maggie De Block accused of being too big to be 'credible' as minister for public health | Daily Mail Online
mike_c: was the excessive usage from an attack?
mike_c: i mean, a couple thousand hits a day shouldn't trigger any limits..
mike_c: plus, they get -2 points for serving a 200 with some fucking blank page instead of a 50x.
mike_c: screwing up my news widget.
cazalla: i imagine its because of the guy that was dosing the other day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.0007339 = 13.7606 BTC [-]
cazalla: "Your account has been suspended due to many number of processes active at /home/bitcoinp/public_html/qntra.net/index.php. This processes were causing high server load."
mike_c: it's cached for 10 mins. not much use showing a list of dead links.
bounce: there's more to this fancy industrial world than just the USA. oop norf you can even learn to speak french and stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17871 @ 0.00073479 = 13.1314 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0007339 = 4.5135 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> suspended for excessive use of resources, can't even access cpanel or ftp to make a backup, submitted a ticket << that's classy o.o
bounce: so is the broken inglish in the ticket response
cazalla: i had hoped it was the ISIS post
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i mean, a couple thousand hits a day shouldn't trigger any limits.. << you don't know much about the shitbox biz model do you.
cazalla: so penguirker is gonna go nuts once it is back up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i'd have swallowed it already. << well, being able to sell the cardano would probably fork for that purpose.
mircea_popescu: note that i am not offering criticism, merely halping the pot air.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 320511.97 in 195 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.94
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you happen to have a backup at any point ?
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), September 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i propose we go with xmas. if it works it'll be lulzy and if it doesn't idem.
BingoBoingo: Yes. Now that the domain's been pointed It's a matter of messing with configs until site comes alive
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 407.06, Best ask: 407.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.56000, Last trade: 406.79, 24 hour volume: 30175.72981510, 24 hour low: 387.63, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 402.113218182
jurov: id'be really sleepless in tat's place. lats i remember he shorted
jurov: that's up to discussion what's neutral position here
mike_c: he said he's sitting on coin now. i took that to mean long.
assbot: Unofficial IS Site Shut Down, Seeks Bitcoin Donations
mircea_popescu: A twitter account, @QA_AF, is now seeking bitcoin to assist in paying server costs although the donation address2 is yet to receive any bitcoin donations. << you know, those are usually scams.
cazalla: prolly but everyone was claiming its official ISIS where as the twitter feed itself said hey, we're not official
mircea_popescu: the derp brigades on social media are something else i swear.
cazalla: plus given the host admitted to shutting it down, prob is legit, no donations yet anyway
mircea_popescu: wait. how is the twitter acct related to the shut down domain ?
cazalla: it's not but that twitter account was complaining about it at the same time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16405 @ 0.00073558 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: i'm not gonna try and contact the guy, aus gov already kicked down a bunch of doors for less
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51655 @ 0.00073389 = 37.9091 BTC [-] {2}
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jurov: asciilifeform: i've seen mircea's ways to exchange x.eur directly into crisp cash, maybe you should ask him for guidance to do likewise
jurov: not six figures, though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15010 @ 0.00073696 = 11.0618 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: i did not mean it as cocncrete advice, just that there are things i did not deem possible before
PeterL: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 runs mpex, has not run off yet
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jurov: one needs to get creative. these overseas people don't know about btc?
PeterL: ;;rate ninjashogun -1 crackpot, pushy
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Adlai: what has ninjashogun been up to that gets him so popular in here?
bounce: you in nyc? talk to bcb.
PeterL: ;;rate cazalla 1 qntra - good source of bitcoin news
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bounce: right next to virginia. hm.
jurov: did you consider - what if large proportion of cardano sales end up being bitcoins?
jurov: or you fess up to paypal crap?
bounce wonders what it'd cost to buy up and reactivate one of those laid up fabs.
jurov: just genuinely interested
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2014 05:27:15; asciilifeform: the pick'n'place cum pastelayer is the only cut to a 'gordian knot' - namely, can't have the boards populated at a genuine factory (prohibitive cost for small batches) - but can't populate by hand with acceptable yield (very fine-pitch components)
jurov: then, if you can't use btc now, how it will change?
kakobrekla: afaik he mentioned once he plans to take em to his grave.
jurov: maybe you'll need reseller in less derpy jurisdiction ;)
Adlai: asciilifeform: btw have you seen scalpl?
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bounce: if the fab is laid up there's lots of tax break leverage. but you'd have to be a big corp to really make that happen. you know, apple and their sea^Wocean of bezzle. they can't use it in the usa though, have to buy up something somewhere else.
bounce: wonder if buying chunks of laid up corporate tax evasion bezzle at a discount would be sellable to them corps.
jurov: what? you mean ascii to confuse some agency into believeing that NSA ordered the cardano manufacture?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: i'm not part of the 'cash economy' in any way, shape, or form. but even if i had the skills and social connections to house and feed myself using paper benjamins, it is quite impossible to obtain industrial equipment and parts from overseas in that way. <<< yeah, which is why meth isn't a problem either.
mircea_popescu: jurov> or you fess up to paypal crap? << cardano won't sell for fiat./
bounce: s/discount/& for bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: actually, nothing i've made since 2011ish sells for fiat.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> bounce: we'd be talking seven figures in tax and enviro-bureaucracy fees alone. << you don't understand how leveraged crap generally is.
mircea_popescu: if industry worked like you represent it here apple would have no choice but to list 20 trillion in assets worldwide.
assbot: HTTP 500 : Internal Server Error
cazalla: ok so site xferred, hopefully dns refresh fast
gribble: Error: You don't have the network.whois capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00073754 = 20.6142 BTC [+]
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS?
mircea_popescu: cazalla seems it's propagated everywhere but melbourne
bounce: 206.190.153.228 and 198.244.10.26. which is the old, which the new?
cazalla: well, that's australia for you
cazalla: just making backups before i nuke the old one and we'll see
assbot: Moolah is having to close its doors. | Moolah
Adlai: at least "If you fail to withdraw your funds before the platform is shut down on October 31st, you will receive an email asking you where you want your funds to go."
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mircea_popescu: "After 10 months as a high-risk startup in a volatile environment, Moolah has reached a stage where it is unable to continue operations in today’s market. With rising costs and dropping revenue, and the loss of a number of key clients vital to the ongoing operation of the company, we are no longer able to continue functioning."
dub: another victim of success
Adlai: tbh it's amazing that a business primarily focused on "payment" processing for the dogeconomy was able to survive this long
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00073601 = 13.8738 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Google Online Security Blog: This POODLE bites: exploiting the SSL 3.0 fallback
cazalla: do you guys see qntra or place holder now on qntra.net?
cazalla: cpu is at 100% on new host too mircea_popescu
cazalla: lots of wordpress pings too
jurov: i see just 500 infernal error
jurov: where it is hosted now?
cazalla: CPU Usage 100 / 100 %, Virtual Memory Usage 380 / 380 MB
mircea_popescu: You have reached entry processes (number of simultaneously running php and cgi scripts, as well as cron jobs and shell sessions) limit 217796 times
mircea_popescu: anyway, the site's online, it's being mitigated, whatevs.
jurov: um... add some apache/nginx rule to weed out these pingback as soon as possible?
kakobrekla: jurov you really need to do it at a lower lever
jurov: yes, but still better than letting cgi/php run for them
jurov: and can be still logged if you want
assbot: Google Online Security Blog: This POODLE bites: exploiting the SSL 3.0 fallback
danielpbarron: wah.. i searched for it in the logs and everything :<
assbot: BTC2B - The First Bitcoin To Business Congress - Brussels
bounce: you could try and condense the actual attack into a single paragraph. the paper and announcement are less than helpful.
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mircea_popescu: jurov i dunno, but thanks. adding it all to the ping list.
bounce: need a pingback sink then?
BingoBoingo: Or Mullenwang to stop insisting DOS cannon be a part of default wordpress installs
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jurov: i see only dns refresh now
kakobrekla: i see Well this is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it?
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of impressed we burned through a shitbox so quickly
mircea_popescu: the net is full of crap, and instead of people urinating the mouths of crapmongers a la matt mullenweg and co,
mircea_popescu: they are invited to conferences and people listen to them as if they were people
mircea_popescu: the net result is that unless you're rich and powerful, you're fucked.
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps the most immoral state of affairs one could imagine
mircea_popescu: and it all stems from the boneheaded tolerance to idiocy and incompetence that has become part of western culture.
mircea_popescu: the next best thing you can do for sugar, spice and everything nice, after owning some bitcoin, is beating your kids when they fuck up.
mircea_popescu: if it were common knowledge there wouldn't be 100k+ broken wordpress installs all over the net.
thestringpuller: What is that saying, "Have you ever thought of turning off the TV, sitting down with your children and hitting them?"
thestringpuller: Oops the actual quote: "Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?"
bounce: eh, your cute widdle powerpuff girls will beat you up instead
cazalla: yeah, i don't mind that others beat their kids, not so sure i'd beat my own
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be some enforced responsibility somehow, somewhere
mircea_popescu: otherwise everyone sinks in this mire of "creativity" and bullshit.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nanotube could the defaults on viewratingdetail.php be sorted by time rather than by rate'rs total point count ? it kinda pointlessly emphasises a meaningless measure, as-is. <<< iirc this used to be the way it worked, and only recntly changed to sort by rater total rating.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i recall the same thing, was kinda surprised.
cazalla: ok dns refreshed but i see old posts, not new ones, do you guys see the IS article or write for qntra on front page?
assbot: Unofficial IS Site Shut Down, Seeks Bitcoin Donations
cazalla: do you see that on front page?
jurov: it worked once, now i'm back at "dns refresh"
cazalla: hmm something is messed up then
Adlai: but yes, recent posts includes real recent posts
gribble: Sent 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <DoctorBTC> Got the print. Nice!
gribble: Sent 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <DoctorBTC> Got the print. Nice!
gribble: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
jurov: what's the business with the mini schlong, anyway?
nubbins`: employees `must` wash hands after using toilet
`jurov` invented antiscam quotes. beat that!
`jurov`: they will be implemented in php soon
punkman: kakobrekla, deedbot needs a home, you got a corner it can sit in?
punkman: a terrarium for its snakes
punkman: it also runs an electrum daemon
punkman: and need some sort of webserver of interface
punkman: the thing I want to avoid is securing the server outside the app
punkman: I could write an Ansible playbook if given detailed steps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00073657 = 20.624 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00073738 = 18.5451 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00003999 / 3.999E-5 / 0.00003999 (14 shares, 0.00055986 BTC), 7D: 0.00003727 / 3.763E-5 / 0.00004097 (5931 shares, 0.22317780 BTC), 30D: 0.00003010 / 4.719E-5 / 0.00009799 (23563 shares, 1.11205519 BTC)
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nubbins`: oh and they withdrew the charges for the 3 parking tickets
nubbins`: i didn't even get to present my case :/