dexX7: why do you think this was smart?
skinnkavaj: So he would not get into trouble and can still operate SD
skinnkavaj: I believe we will see more fake sells since it's the best option to clear your name, while still holding on to that money making machine
skinnkavaj: Which is your baby, as an entreprenour
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much nonsense.
mircea_popescu: why not enjoy the credibility of a well run asset ?
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Because of legal problems obviously
mircea_popescu: i dun see what you're talking about, "obviously".
benkay: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 27 seconds
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: So you think SD is a legal service?
benkay: legal where, skinnkavaj ?
skinnkavaj: In any country of the world
mircea_popescu: dude seriously, stop.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a "legal service". there's illegal stuff, and then there's the rest.
mircea_popescu: there's no "any country in the world"
mircea_popescu: you don't even know how many countries there are, in the world.
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Is this your strategy in the future?
skinnkavaj: I wish you good luck, I honestly do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249972 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: yes, my strategy in the future is to continue to point out obvious nonsense coming my way.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe it somehow ends up cutting down on the general nonsense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16349 @ 0.00094303 = 15.4176 BTC [-]
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: We live in a corrupt world you should know that
mircea_popescu: so ?
skinnkavaj: SD is not legal and neither is MPOE, but I love the fact that you are not agreeing with me on that
mircea_popescu: eh your face is not legal.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00094107 = 17.2216 BTC [-] {3}
CheckDavid: Lulz
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/6219520-the-50th-law
CheckDavid: I heard mpoe was the most legal of exchanges
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1750 @ 0.0005 = 0.875 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: mircea , is bitbet.us legal in every planet in the Milky Way?
skinnkavaj: TestingUnoDosTre: Leave him alone now I think he understood my point and I like his intentions
dexX7: intentions?
TestingUnoDosTre: his evil intergalactic intentions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 85 @ 0.06926507 = 5.8875 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00093954 = 7.7512 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the most legal illegal exchange run by an asshole with good intentions
CheckDavid: Lol
mircea_popescu: someone write the book so 50cent can make a song about the movie based on it
mircea_popescu: then we can quote its wisdom
CheckDavid: How illegal is mpoe?
dexX7: let's ipo the idea
mircea_popescu: s'il egal.
benkay: ill egalitarian.
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Try listen for one minute in a clip from this audio book http://open.spotify.com/track/1ydFN3EK0bhqlzjT1cRKxR
benkay: o lookit that spotify lets you sign up with email again
benkay: guess zuck won that one in the short term and lost it in the long term
benkay: http://pagesix.com/2011/10/14/facebook-feud-outside-club/
ozbot: Facebook feud outside club | Page Six
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj learning to read spoiled me for audiobooks.
TestingUnoDosTre: is that seriously a 50 cent produced audiobook?
mircea_popescu: "Go search deep for code (for sale) for online gambling sites.
mircea_popescu: The most expensive code packages for gambling sites have the most deceit and advanced algorithms to rip-off the gambling fool and protect the investment of the operator. The very best ones you'll never find for sale, however. These algorithms always sit on top of whatever "edge" the operator decides to take (the "edge" is the part of the tilted table some sites even openly advertise nowadays).
mircea_popescu: there's nothing better than a good conspiraci theorist.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin invented fair gambling, bitbet is a parimutuel implementation, anon forum derp comes to harp about how deceitful "sites" are.
mircea_popescu: i imagine these people followed hercules around augeas' stables complaining about all the mess he's making.
dirt_: amazing
Mats_cd03: hue hue
ThickAsThieves: "Edmund Moy, the former director of the U.S. Mint who’s become an outspoken proponent of digital currencies, saw a mix of good and bad as well, but ultimately he made two cogent points: first, that this is is a rule, not a law, and there’s a difference, and, two, that it can be changed as circumstances warrant."
ThickAsThieves: what is the exact difference between an IRS rule and a law?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that i get to laugh at you poor sods moar ?
ThickAsThieves: but but
ThickAsThieves: halp
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: a rule you can have overturned by arguing more things before the supreme court than if it were a law.
mircea_popescu: because congress does have legislative discretion, but agencies do not.
mircea_popescu: we're talking a decade and a hundred million in either case.
mike_c: most of the IRS code is law, but not the btc part. http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/code.htm
ThickAsThieves: so you must break the rule to even attempt to learn it's definition?
ThickAsThieves: its*
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ThickAsThieves: or at least "test" its definition
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, you don't have to break it to sue.
ThickAsThieves: is there some argument to what is allowed to be taxed at all, and bitcoin not fitting that spectrum?
mircea_popescu: no, because the us does not recognise allodial title.
mircea_popescu: anything can be taxed.
ThickAsThieves: like isnt there an underlying premise for taxes being that, for example you cant profit from a shipping company without roads, and taxes pay for roads, therefor you must pay them
mircea_popescu: no.
ThickAsThieves: the USG neither provides for, nor maintains, nor creates bitocin
ThickAsThieves: something seems off
mircea_popescu: that bullcrap is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.
ThickAsThieves: ok
mircea_popescu: it's roughly the coating in the pill, various people sprout it because you know, the slavegirl that aesthetically loves her collar isn't really as much of a slavegirl or something.
ThickAsThieves: do you have an argument against the IRS rulings or you think they are sensible?
mircea_popescu: but taxes have exactly zero to do with roads.
mircea_popescu: the irs can tax anything the fuck it pleases. the reaction to taxation you dislike is leaving the jurisdiction, not arguing the point.
mike_c: even then you can't escape. you have to give up citizenship.
mircea_popescu: so give up citizenship.
mircea_popescu: (course iirc, you're not allowed to do so unless you prove it's specifically NOT because you dislike the taxation system. quite the racked your owner got going there.)
mike_c: and there's a fee :)
ThickAsThieves: heh
ThickAsThieves: surely a small price to pay
mircea_popescu: you can't imagine, on a more personal note, how fucking outlandish this is to me.
ThickAsThieves: do tell
mircea_popescu: if someone told me twenty years ago i will live to honestly pity the fate of the poor us citizens i'd have laughed for the rest of the day.
mircea_popescu: and i'm not even fucking old! i'm sitting here and im thinking... holy shit now THAT must suck. what a curse to be born with.
mike_c: could be worse. china is worse.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe china is currently worse.
mircea_popescu: korea is worse.
mike_c: foxconn has more suicides than jpmorgan.
Duffer1: the breathable parts of china sound nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0564 = 0.1692 BTC [+]
dexX7: foxconn has about 1000x more worker than jpmorgan
benkay: girl is out of town for the weekend. this means.....
benkay: http://imgur.com/vTtb2mf
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Mats_cd03: i was in guangzhou a year ago
dexX7: did you like it?
benkay: mostly because i've forgotten how to cook since this one started doing it for me
Mats_cd03: i saw a few dozen dead pigs floating down a river as i was driving out of the province
nubbins`: i made homemade pasta sauce and meatballs last night
nubbins`: it was amazing, so spicy ;0
Mats_cd03: soured me on the experience
nubbins`: yes, the company was amazing too
nubbins`: yes, simply amazing
nubbins`: yes.
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mircea_popescu: benkay you gotta learn to cook, this is embarassing.
nubbins`: ^
TestingUnoDosTre: easy there assbot
Mats_cd03: were the meatballs homemade
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla could assy perhaps only say amazing once an hour or something ?
mircea_popescu: i got a reputation to amazingly protect here.
Mats_cd03: lol
amazing: hi
benkay: mircea_popescu: i know how to cook!
benkay: amazing popescu
mircea_popescu: benkay you don't and i can tell just by looking at that poor excuse of a plate.
benkay: gtfo
benkay: i hand fried those potatoes
Mats_cd03: anyway like i was saying, i think some farmer had bought bad feed for his pigs and accidentally poisoned them
mircea_popescu: i have a lot more experience with noob cook chicks than you imagine my friend.
mircea_popescu: that's lashable cooking.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu isnt it easier to just limit nubbins` ?
benkay: what's wrong with my plate?!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but he's so small!
Mats_cd03: and whos going to dig a proper hole for all of those bodies? thats fucking laborious
Mats_cd03: so he put them on the back of a pickup and then dropped them off somewhere upstream
mircea_popescu: benkay it looks like someone who can't cook made it.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 either that or there was a pig geyser sprout on the river bed.
benkay: bah you and your aesthetics
benkay: viewport this
benkay: arrangement of nutritive items that
mircea_popescu: tis not a matter of aesthetics.
mircea_popescu: tis a matter of i can tell if the carpenter is a noob by whether his "chair" is fucking level.
nubbins`: Mats_cd03 yes, the meatballs were homemade
benkay: oooooooh
Mats_cd03: id eat your homemade meatballs, nubbins`
Mats_cd03: ... wink
mircea_popescu: homeball his mademeats too
nubbins`: kakobrekla you can't hold me down!
mircea_popescu: ok, honesty time :
mircea_popescu: i always thought nubbins are the little bumps around the nipple on an aroused areola.
Mats_cd03: i have those
mircea_popescu: stop ruining it for me.
Mats_cd03: sorry
benkay: me too.
mike_c: benkay: eggs are overcooked. that yolk's gotta run.
mircea_popescu: you're too young to have areolae.
benkay: ya well, the plate was in the oven keeping the bacon warm
benkay: i did fuck the yolks up.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0444 = 0.1332 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06887978 = 0.3444 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: he thinks he can cute :D so adowable!
mircea_popescu: s/cute/cooke
benkay: keep going
benkay: alright fine you got me
mike_c: the potatoes look raw
Mats_cd03: horrible cooking dude
benkay: i'm an engineer
benkay throws up his hands
mircea_popescu: are you a c0k engineer ?
mircea_popescu: i mean c00k
Mats_cd03: its impressive you havent accidentally poisoned yourself yet
benkay: coke, but you know
mike_c: Mats_cd03: he hasn't eaten it yet :)
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 well if he ends up in east river...
kakobrekla: by the looks of it its deliberate
mircea_popescu: benkay gf comes home from her trip, finds dead pigglet, hauls him to pickup truck
mircea_popescu: (they have a pickup in ny!)
benkay: i love you guys too.
benkay: sad truth is i'm fishing for a second housekeeper cum cock sucker
benkay: i guess the assettes don't deliver?
benkay: mo i'm going to poison myself
mircea_popescu: well then your cum'd be poisonous.
benkay: i don't know the difference between brotein and carboderprates
mircea_popescu: hahaha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: earlier thing: 'griggs vs. duke power co.'
asciilifeform: ;;google griggs vs duke power co.
gribble: Griggs v. Duke Power Co. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.>; Landmark: Griggs v. Duke Power Co. | NAACP LDF: <http://www.naacpldf.org/case/griggs-v-duke-power-co>; Griggs v. Duke Power Company | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago ...: <http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1970/1970_124>
moiety: sup benkay?
benkay: girl left
benkay: i can't cook
benkay: halp
moiety: i entirely passed out earlier D:
moiety: oh jesus
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but that's ability to perform the job, you know ?
moiety: do you have a toaster
benkay: no toasters are convenience tools of the devil
benkay: also i live in murka and have to compromise on counterspace
mircea_popescu: moiety> do you have a toaster <<< ahaha fucken epic.
mircea_popescu: benkay "halp halp i need to cook" moiety, always motherly, starts small. "toaster ?"
benkay: this isn't funny mircea_popescu i'm going to die
moiety: prexactly - convenience. i think toasters are good because they have a timer, you cant burn the house down. please buy one
mircea_popescu: death is kinda funny...
benkay: yeah normally i'm into snuff too but today it's meeeee
mircea_popescu: so wait! benkay was shooting for two girls but in the end his one had enough and now he's... mancooking ?
mircea_popescu: o this is cartoon worthy
moiety: wait, you mean properly left? not just away for the weekend?
benkay: no its just for the weekend
tg2: Shiiit, ltcponzi 500 ltc in 40 minutes :/
benkay: WAIT NO HALP
moiety: oh i was gonna say you need to get a microwave too
mircea_popescu: moiety so far he thinks it's temporary.
Mats_cd03: benkay: http://www.cookingforengineers.com/recipe/305/Honey-Pecan-Pralines how2cookthings
tg2: Fack
tg2: Gotta start going this lol
benkay: Mats_cd03: that has sugar in it
Mats_cd03: are you diabetic
benkay: i will be if i cook myself goddamn pralines all the time
mircea_popescu: "how to become diabetic in three easy steps"
benkay: bake?
benkay: does one cook or bake pralines?
Mats_cd03: it was mostly the website and not the link, but i do love me some pralines
mircea_popescu: bake, bitch an' gargle
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: griggs: this was one of those cases that ended in creating a 'talmudic wall' (as the hassid jews call this situation)
Mats_cd03: is baking
benkay: fuck baking
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so it was.
asciilifeform: not until recently did anyone dare to give even vaguely intellectual puzzles to potential hires
benkay: so much time
Mats_cd03: youll live longer if you eat baked goods
asciilifeform: because of the 'disparate impact' (actual legal term) standard established by griggs
asciilifeform: (ianal!)
Mats_cd03: (over range-top cooking of meats)
Mats_cd03: me, i'm trying to live forever
qwebirc471694: fact: bears eat beets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and of course it is, as always, based on the commerce clause.
benkay: eh, forever's overrated
mircea_popescu: one almost dares hope that a wholesale repeal of commerce clause jurisprudence may fix teh us
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as is virtually everything done by usg post-fdr
asciilifeform: that's like hoping for a cancellation of ckkpss. oh wait.
benkay: mircea_popescu: never going to happen.
moiety: ok so benkay do you have any little hard yellow shaped things in the kitchen that look like this? http://siciliangirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Fusilli_pasta.jpg
benkay: haw
moiety: :P
benkay: there are hard things in the kitchen for sure
benkay: dunno bout past
benkay: pasta
moiety: qwebirc471694: excellent fact
mircea_popescu: benkay gimme the heavenly forge for a week, it'll happen.
qwebirc471694: ahhh I'm losing my name
mircea_popescu: hm, am i the only one that knows what the heavenly forge is ?
moiety: benkay, this is worse than i thought. just phone a pizza for now
Mats_cd03: i looked it up on google and the second link was 'fanfiction.net'
benkay: mircea_popescu: what are you on about
TestingUnoDosTre: there we go
mircea_popescu: the heavenly forge is this quill
kakobrekla: order a pizza and put in a toaster
Mats_cd03: so the heavenly forge is definitely fan fiction right?
mircea_popescu: and whatever it writes, is the future.
moiety: kakobrekla: you are a man too huh
mike_c: lol kako. i agree.
benkay: can i get a pizza with bacon on it?
mircea_popescu: ;;google "nor all your piety nor wit"
gribble: Edward FitzGerald (poet) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edward_FitzGerald_(poet)>; The Moving Finger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moving_Finger>; Omar Khayyám - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayy%C3%A1m>
asciilifeform: aha that one
moiety: benkay from dominos, yep
asciilifeform: everyone in usa knows that one
asciilifeform: because of clinton
mircea_popescu: please redirect all things which are bacon to benkay
kakobrekla: moiety i did came through didnt it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol
asciilifeform: it's true!
benkay: i don't need all the bacon sheesh that'd be greedy now
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moiety nods at kakobrekla - just a wee bit
mircea_popescu: benkay trade it for sum bitches
mircea_popescu: dem bitches looooove that bacon
TestingUnoDosTre: didn't we have some bacon ritz yesterday?
cazalla: should i register a gpg key in addition to bitcoin address for wot or is a bitcoin address enough?
asciilifeform: 'the moving finger writes, and having writ...'
moiety: men: toasters, youredoinitwrong
benkay: ah yes squirtable bacon
benkay: "come here baby let me squirt some bacon on you. mircea popescu said bitches love bacon."
moiety: cazalla: more other way around, key>address
Mats_cd03: http://www.perfectfry.com/products/spinfresh/ centrifugal deep fat fryer for that delicious crisp layer of chicken...
ozbot: SPINFRESH Automatic Fryer - Perfect Fry Company
cazalla: moiety: thanks, time to learn this gpg stuff i guess
mircea_popescu: cazalla both work
moiety: cazalla: use BingoBoingo's guide. best way, one sec
benkay: cazalla you don't need to put bitcoin address into wot
benkay: in fact, might not be a great idea
benkay: addrs and identities are two separate extremes on the spectrum
benkay: addrs disposable
benkay: identities inso
mircea_popescu: you can change them anyway.
mircea_popescu: log in with either, update the other as needed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00094071 = 8.4194 BTC [+]
benkay: naw
benkay: gpg for comms, btc for $$$
TestingUnoDosTre: which one was the BingoBoingo guide?
benkay: ;;google drinking record gpg
gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>
moiety: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/
ozbot: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog
moiety: see lol i slow
benkay: we'll larn you yet
moiety: got distracted saving tabs... ironically to speed up browser
moiety: couldn't you have a couple of people using an address though?
benkay: moiety!
mircea_popescu: it's not a bed.
moiety: if i just missed something glaringly obvious, forgive me, i did just wake up. I've shared an address before, is all
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f682dcd8f4949c2fe5e445c3fec309b/tumblr_mku8c5CGgv1r7s4ouo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: anyone know the car brand ?
benkay: trabamborghini
asciilifeform: moiety: this'd be more like sharing toothbrush.
mircea_popescu: moiety how've you shared an address, ye hussy!
moiety: benkay the badge is right there! citroen
moiety: and for the site. me + dev had access
mircea_popescu: well it's not really how they're supposed to work.
mircea_popescu: so don't do that.
mircea_popescu: make two or w/e.
mircea_popescu: and wd on the citroen! it may be a trabamborghini, but it's the french trabamborghini.
asciilifeform: trabazerati.
moiety: thats fair enough, i was just at that point having everything done for me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're going there, trapzderati
asciilifeform: lol
moiety: citroens arent very good though
mircea_popescu: better than vauxhalls.
moiety: very true
moiety: also, citroen>renault if we are keeping to french
moiety: everything over vauxhall (unless its a ford)
benkay: moiety: you might be the first person with a good reason to implement m of n signing
benkay: lol doge m of n
moiety: i don't personally doge, well i mined 41 to learn the process. such wealth.
benkay: are there any alts which one can mine with a cpu and at least get a few?
benkay: dage i gather, but does that still hold true?
moiety: plenty, in the beginning at least, all the galters are cpu poolers too
benkay: maybe the infinitely inflating currencies live on in the processors of cpus and gpus
benkay: as their value decreases, so does hashpower from professionals applied against them.
benkay: haha
moiety: are scrypt asics a thing yet?
benkay: tg2: ^^
PObro: kncMiner has some scrypt miners for Q2/Q3 this year.
PObro: w
tg2: Gridseeds are out already
tg2: knc is gonna kill it though
cads: moiety: at least one company I've seen are claiming to be shipping a scrypt asic
benkay: have a good evening, everyone!
tg2: I hope scrypt responds poorly to Asic difficulty hike
cads: though I thought the memory requirements of scrypt is what made it inefficient to try to solve with an asic.
tg2: Less efficient
tg2: still 50x more than gpu lol
cads: gotcha
tg2: Vs 1000x more with sha256 asics
moiety: cads: great, a bfl v2?!
cads: bfl?
tg2: vertcoin is the only hope for no-asic and I'm sure it will happen
tg2: Their implementation is dumb
moiety: Big Fucking Liars aka Butterfly Labs
tg2: Knc is legit though
cads: has no researcher investigated mixed hash approaches?
tg2: Cads, look into x11 cpins
tg2: Coins* namely darkcoin
asciilifeform: why this mega-interest in coins optimized for botnet mining?
tg2: Lol
jborkl: Wtf is going on in here
tg2: Cause botters dos exchanges to make $
cads: lol, x11's site begins "With professional Scrypt mining hardware on the way it is time to look for the best alternative hashing solution that will keep crypto currency within reach of everyone."
asciilifeform: 'cpu optimized' == 'botnet optimized'
asciilifeform: what part of this is a secret
cads: asciilifeform: nice
cads: I hadn't thought that
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tg2: Even gpu is swarm friendly
cads: right
tg2: 35% of systems have discrete gpu
tg2: Including phones
cads: because kids/manchildren with hefty gaming gpus
mircea_popescu: actually, as a purely academic point, does anyone know a hash that is genuinely cpu-favourable ?
asciilifeform: heterogeneity of gpu makes the bot artist's job tricky
mircea_popescu: none of this ram ostrich bs
cads: asciilifeform: I would use haskell
moiety: americans: do you have a gov site dedicated to people records?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cpu-friendly vs. what?
mircea_popescu: moiety no, they don't have central government.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, a huge lot of control instructions somehow
asciilifeform: easy.
asciilifeform: here's a simple one
cads: god it would be so great to find out these guys actually use next generation compiler tech to specialize their viruses to the hardware :)
asciilifeform: encode payload as bits on a grid, and run cellular automaton
asciilifeform: e.g. langton's ant
cads hates not knowing what's going on in the criminal sector of computer science
mircea_popescu: o yeah
asciilifeform: or 'life'
moiety: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, graph anything. good point
mircea_popescu: would it hold as a hash tho
asciilifeform: say, 1e8-th state is the hash.
asciilifeform: or rather, a conventional cryptographic hash thereof
asciilifeform: (of the grid bits)
mircea_popescu: a right
mircea_popescu: no good reason not to chain them
asciilifeform: to make it 'asic-hostile', demand an outlandishly large grid.
mircea_popescu: then again, at least for life there are purely math algos
asciilifeform: there's exactly one - 'hashlife'
mircea_popescu: well a bunch of derivations but ok
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html
cads: asciilifeform: is hashlife hard or surprisingly easy to understand?
asciilifeform: surprisingly easy
asciilifeform: langton's ant is a bit more interesting
asciilifeform: in that the answer is very compact
mircea_popescu: it's not hard.
asciilifeform: the ant always ends up 'building a road'
asciilifeform: the output of the 'hash' can be 'starting on which move'
asciilifeform: this doesn't require you to hash the entire playing field
cads: looking up "hash life" on youtube got me to a video by "Swag Sensei"
asciilifeform: and there is presently no known means of predicting, other than by running the ant, when the bridge will be built
asciilifeform: and there is, afaik, no proof that it is always built
asciilifeform: but no known counter-example either.
cads: oh it's just smart memoization
asciilifeform: everyone is invited to try it
cads: durp
cads: nothing like stochastic/predictive?
cads reads on
asciilifeform: ;;google langton's ant
gribble: Langton's ant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton's_ant>; Langton's Ant - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X-gtr4pEBU>; Langton's Ant -- from Wolfram MathWorld: <http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LangtonsAnt.html>
asciilifeform: incidentally, hashlife starts grinding to sub-naive speed if your playing field is complex
asciilifeform: (highly entropic)
asciilifeform: because it no longer compresses.
asciilifeform: given that GOL is proven turing-complete, it would follow that there is no generic shortcut to nth-state
asciilifeform: unless p == np
asciilifeform: (and possibly not even then)
samO_: haven't had internet conn. for almost two days! nearly lost my mind... :D what happend in the mean time, anything significant?
asciilifeform: one could make an arbitrarily hardware-unfriendly 'hash' using automata, merely by demanding a large and well-entropic (crypto hash of payload, bit-spread) playing field
asciilifeform: and a turing-complete automaton
VanCleef: the fuck is up with havelock
tg2: I have a useful distributed work coin project on the burner
VanCleef: shit dont even work properly anymore
VanCleef: useless site
asciilifeform: make the field large enough, and everyone is reduced to swapping to disk!
tg2: gonna be better than wasting hashes on nothing
asciilifeform: (why anyone should wish this is another question.)
samO_: also, is there a chat log history of this channel somewhere? thx!
tg2: Just Google your username
tg2: Who admins havelock
tg2: Niggas need some help
tg2: Not even a heavy site to lift
asciilifeform: paging herr doktor wolfram!
asciilifeform: who loves stealing useless ideas
asciilifeform: let him steal this one!
asciilifeform: ;;google wolfram batshit egomania
gribble: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science: <http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram/>; Ten Years of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity: <http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html>; Collection of Reviews of Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, Etc...: <http://www.math.usf.edu/~eclark/ANKOS_reviews.html>
asciilifeform: there we go.
mircea_popescu: samO_ who'd you be ?
mircea_popescu: ;;topic
gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
asciilifeform: proposed algo, for those who insist:
asciilifeform: take j x k bit playing field.
asciilifeform: fill bits, in sequence, with sha2(xxx), then sha2(sha2(xxx)).... until field is full
asciilifeform: then run langton's ant, starting from the middle of the field
asciilifeform: output is an integer, N
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay "One cannot issue ratings until one is rated oneself. This is a useful feature that prevents a lot of misuse of the system. If scammers cannot stuff the WoT database with their sockpuppets, they cannot artificially inflate their ratings. Granted, the mechanism is weak and easily gamed, but the simple presence of a barrier reduces much malfeasance." this made no sense. you know it made no sense. why
mircea_popescu: is it there then !?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: corresponding to 'bridge is being built'
asciilifeform: alternatively, run 'life' on the entire field, for M moves, and output is sha(field)
mircea_popescu: in fact!
mircea_popescu: you can have difficulty scale as... the size of the field.
asciilifeform: as i said above.
mircea_popescu: a you did ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590936☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: what i mean is
mircea_popescu: the mining difficulty parameter is not some arbitrary zerofill
mircea_popescu: but the size of the field to compute.
asciilifeform: well yes.
asciilifeform: that'd be how it has to be.
asciilifeform: now all you need is a reason to actually do this.
mircea_popescu: how many numbers are the product of two others ?
mircea_popescu: all nonprimes basically huh.
asciilifeform: not incl. 1?
mircea_popescu: in fact you can allow life on a 1 wide grid couldn't you
asciilifeform: certainly
asciilifeform: although it would need to be called something else
mircea_popescu: yeah, i think the lowest would be 3 ? or 5 ?
mircea_popescu: maybe 5.
asciilifeform: most possible cellular automata degenerate to a steady state rather than give the kind of 'soup' one normally looks for.
asciilifeform: (yet another 'discovery' by people long ago that herr W claimed for himself)
chetty: http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/28/white-house-looks-to-regulate-cow-flatulence-as-part-of-climate-agenda/#ixzz2xHqYITaT
ozbot: White House regulate cow flatulence climate agenda | The Daily Caller
asciilifeform: so long as you use an automaton that has been proven turing-complete, and use a reasonably entropic starting field state, you're pretty much safe from shortcuts
asciilifeform: and people are stuck having to compute the state transitions for the whole field, as many times as specified
asciilifeform: unless p == np, rocks fall, crypto dies
asciilifeform: likewise, scaling the difficulty in time and space becomes trivial.
cazalla: moiety: that gpg guide is good, this was much easier than i thought it would be
moiety: cazalla: yeah definately, i got the live version :D he is a very good sensei
asciilifeform: anyone who has the apparently common distaste for the asic folks should give this some thought.
MisterE: morning dudes
MisterE: asciilifeform: did you read tg2's analysis of sha-356 asics vs scrypt asics on bitcointalk?
MisterE: 256*
asciilifeform: MisterE: nope. i pretty much never see bitcointalk
MisterE: it's realy good and concise
asciilifeform: except when linked here - and even then, every 50th time or so
MisterE: yea from what I can tell its mostly trash
MisterE: I will find it
kakobrekla: trash mixed with gold
kakobrekla: but mostly trash
asciilifeform: any surprises therein for folks who understand the algos?
mircea_popescu: gold mixed with comedy
mircea_popescu: but mostly comedy
stompysteve: anyone got any info on neo and whats going on past they stopped trading due to sus activity
mircea_popescu: stompysteve read the log will you.
stompysteve: sorry
mircea_popescu: who had that link ?
asciilifeform: sha-356!?
MisterE: asciilifeform: probably not for you it's about the state of and medium-term future of hardware and mfgr. proceses
mircea_popescu: stompysteve http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#589431☝︎
asciilifeform: the ideal botnet-optimized (i.e. what scrypt wants to be) algo is described above.
mircea_popescu: MisterE so link it
MisterE: searching my logs now
MisterE: oh it's on litecointalk thats why didn't find it right away... [2014-03-27T12:19:20+0700] <tg2> https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=17948.0 // Discourse welcome!
asciilifeform: ;;google heusser satcoin
gribble: SAT solving - An alternative to brute force bitcoin mining: <http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html>; Proof of concept code for SAT-based bitcoin mining: <http://jheusser.github.io/2013/12/30/satcoin-code.html>; jheusser/satcoin · GitHub: <https://github.com/jheusser/satcoin>
tg2: Yeah knc updated their numbers, I should update the post
asciilifeform: 'Current/Next gen bitcoin/sha256 asics are already at the forefront of manufacturing process, they cannot get more power efficient without waiting for a new manufacturing process to be available (14nm)' << nah
mircea_popescu: tg2 you realise people wouldn't build the ram as part of the asic do you ?
asciilifeform: why brute force. it's like nobody gives a rat's arse enough to even try
tg2: They went for the "less ram faster latency" approach
asciilifeform: hence 'lifecoin'. you're stuck with the RAM
tg2: I stand by my analysis though that it won't be near as prolific as sha256
mircea_popescu: nearly as prolific as bitcoin miners they will never be
tg2: Although knc sure is trying to prove me wrong lol
MisterE: and won't depreciate so quickly like sha-256 2nd gen
mircea_popescu: the reason, of course, is that bitcoin is worth three to four degrees of magnitude more.
MisterE: I heard knc was not reliable and they have had a lot of delivery misses int he past?
mircea_popescu: MisterE not as bad as all that.
MisterE: ok
tg2: They are probably one of the best right now
MisterE: they also mine so there is a conflict of interest iirc?
tg2: Hashfast are clowns
MisterE: oh, perhaps I'm confused with another 3 letter mfgr?
tg2: They assemble them out of house
tg2: at a workshop 5 minutes from my office
asciilifeform: i've always wondered if folks interested in mining despite the negative ROI are really just looking to convert fiat to btc by whatever means possible.
tg2: Yeah I think that's a way to look at it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about the people who "invest" despite negative roi ?
tg2: Don't forget gpu's hold some value
tg2: shit even shoddy first gen sha fpga's are still being sold lol
MisterE: and generate transactions that help keep the network healthy
mircea_popescu: rational behaviour isn't exactly the rule.
MisterE: BTC still has a gold rush mentality that personally I dont think is doing speculators any favors
asciilifeform: think of it this way - some people are prepared to pay double, triple, the 'usual' cost for btc, so long as they aren't using an exchange
asciilifeform: esp. americans
MisterE: smart ones supply the miners and speculators
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;d
gribble: Error: "d" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: not everyone has an 'otc' vendor that they're willing to trust
TestingUnoDosTre: say wahat gribble?
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1326 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.9722% in 7d 17h 34m 28s
MisterE: asciilifeform: the mining centers I've read abotu who are doing it right have paid back their investments within months
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those people trade otc.
MisterE: there was just the article in Ars abotu the guy who controls ~10% of hash rate
asciilifeform: MisterE: large concerns with ready access to the latest widgets, sure.
mircea_popescu: well i guess, but it's becoming edge-r and edge-r
asciilifeform: the poor schmucks buying thirdhand asic, not so much
MisterE: but medium - small guys are throwing money away?
MisterE: lol ok
mircea_popescu: it's really very hit and miss.
asciilifeform: but there's a standpoint from which it makes sense to buy a junk miner
mircea_popescu: "large concerns" that thought they had access to the latest widgets expected to come out... november 2012 are mostly bankrupt today
MisterE: yea tg2 does a good job explaining that depreciation, expecially of 2nd gen sha-256 asics
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be because the only way to have reliable access to latest xxx is to... build it
tg2: Yeah I pitty anybody who dropped btc on a bfl product
mircea_popescu: MisterE it's a theory. it's not outrageously or massively wrong, but im not too persuaded.
MisterE: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/
ozbot: Meet the manic miner who wants to mint 10% of all new bitcoins | Ars Technica
tg2: Even the "next gen" 600gh is garbage
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even. more builders went out of business than stayed in.
MisterE: yea BFL really scammed a lot
MisterE: my buddy ordered a 10mh box and was shopped a 7mh box
asciilifeform: some people will spend 2K usd to get 1 btc, if it means they don't have to bend over for 'aml' crapola or trust someone
mircea_popescu: ahh, remember the days when am was derping about "having 30% of all hashing for a year"
MisterE: they are being sued
MisterE: a lot
mircea_popescu: it was.... six months ago ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone they'll still be trusting.
tg2: I honestly think they started out with the goal of scamming and then btc blew up so fast lol
mircea_popescu: unless they're taking a microscope to the box, who's to say what's in there ?
asciilifeform: think 'silk road' and 'why didn't they just go to the dark alley to buy the coke'
MisterE: well performance doesn't lie heh
MisterE: plus I thing it was stamped on the box
tg2: I hope this Canadian class action against gox bears some fruit
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm off. take it easy all.
MisterE: BFL could not deliver the product my buddy ordered and instead of refunding sent a lesser spec
asciilifeform: from this crackpot theory, mining doesn't need to have much +EV so long as it isn't too far in the minus.
tg2: I'm glad they decided to do it, they were on the fence about it for a few days
mircea_popescu: you mean https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447869151756161025 ?
MisterE: I hope they all do
MisterE: I heard they were being sued the first time a couple months ago but that also people were lining up to file
tg2: Ain't nobody spending 2k for 1 btc lol
tg2: no matter how shady
asciilifeform: tg2: many 'home' miners end up doing just that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00094137 = 11.2964 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: I made a big buy (for me) at 500 yesterday
tg2: Not by intent
tg2: I have 250k of gpus running
asciilifeform: tg2: that's what i was wondering. perhaps it isn't always accidental
tg2: dat cheap hydro
MisterE: it goes out in pieces to the electric company
tg2: And most of it was bought with btc mined from a single 5970 lol
MisterE: so if they can amortize it spending 2k on a BTC is acceptable I guess.
MisterE: heh yea think of that scale jump
tg2: My thoughts are, my power costs me .05c
tg2: Cdn$
MisterE: you got hydro?
MisterE: or nukes in the back yard?
MisterE: in US you get cheap power if you live nearish a nuke plant
tg2: Rate m power
TestingUnoDosTre: I bought some at 500 as well
TestingUnoDosTre: pissed because I made a small purchase around 400...
MisterE: yea I see a lot of support at 500 TestingUnoDosTre
tg2: plus cheap cooling most of the year
MisterE: all the bad BTC news lately hasn't budged it at all
MisterE: very good sign
TestingUnoDosTre: I see a lot of don't really care how things pan out over the next 2-3 months
MisterE: tg2: the successful miners of the future will have to monetize that heat
tg2: People in cali and uk already losing money
TestingUnoDosTre: US miners are going to have to evade taxs or more out
tg2: Umm already doing something with my 600,000 btu lol
TestingUnoDosTre: move*
MisterE: what you doing tg2 ?
tg2: Have grass growing outside in the middle of February
MisterE: I mean hell you can just well insulate and heat your house if you live in a colder place
MisterE: lolol :)
tg2: While it's -20C out
xdotcommer: weather is changing
MisterE: you so high roller
tg2: It's to much heat for a house
MisterE: in 20 years you;ll have to run an a/c for your February lawn heh
tg2: almost 200,000 W
MisterE: damn
tg2: With darkcoin about 110kw
MisterE: I'm thining of the centralized boilers in NYC that heat several blocks
tg2: You can recycle it
MisterE: as scale of rigs increase a colo facility that makes use of that heat in a similar way would be interesting
tg2: I tried to make a deal with a golf dome to heat it for free over the winter
MisterE needs to learn about darkcoin
MisterE: thats the kind of thinking out of the box I'm talking about!
MisterE: any inroads?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00094266 = 15.6482 BTC [+] {3}
MisterE killed the chat :/
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=546338.0;topicseen
ozbot: Auroracoin - Forked and Game Over
cazalla: top kek
Apocalyptic: "Luke is that you?
Apocalyptic: " lol'd
kakobrekla: is it even sha?
Apocalyptic: no idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2537 @ 0.00011999 = 0.3044 BTC [+] {2}
VanCleef: iceland is now for sale
VanCleef: thanks auroracoin
MisterE: heh
Apocalyptic: VanCleef, interested by some island land ?
kanzure: hah it's already forked. that's fun.
kanzure: man i've had so many people asking me about it. they all think it's the government.
nicknode_: whats up with neobee?
Mats_cd03: it sucks
VanCleef: outed as a scam
nicknode_: VanCleef: link?
iamnot_: VanCleef, really?
nicknode_: VanCleef: would you let me in on the true inside story on neobee? i'll pay
iamnot_: or just "really?"
VanCleef: my lawyer has asked me to not talk about it
nicknode_: ok well thanks anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00093835 = 8.3982 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00093834 = 4.3633 BTC [-]
MisterE: xD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00094136 = 12.7084 BTC [+] {2}
samO_: thx mircea_popesku for the link (yeah, i've been blind) :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5061 @ 0.00094173 = 4.7661 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00094217 = 18.4665 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00093894 = 31.6892 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1739 @ 0.00094231 = 1.6387 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2861 @ 0.00094345 = 2.6992 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell benkay ty!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00093961 = 8.4095 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06888 = 0.6888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59484287 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.05564701 = 1.1129 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20741 @ 0.00094128 = 19.5231 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00094197 = 12.8579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00094197 = 8.2893 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094197 = 10.4559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8431 @ 0.00094007 = 7.9257 BTC [-] {2}
khersonus: ;;blocks
gribble: 293057
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1312 @ 0.00094197 = 1.2359 BTC [+]
ArsKisS: havelock so down :/
Jackmaninov: wow such trade
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00094197 = 0.9891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00094252 = 14.1849 BTC [+] {2}
joeshanny: peek da whole scene and whatever's goin on around, brain kinda cloudy, smoked out, feelin rowdy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56000001 = 1.12 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.559 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.559 = 1.118 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.55057778 = 4.9552 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06888989 = 0.2756 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/
ozbot: The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay asciilifeform you've been mentioned ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.522 = 4.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00094401 = 11.2337 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0553188 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00093976 = 7.847 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: mircea_popescu You make me sad. I wanted to believe in NeoBee.
VanCleef: that was your first mistake
mircea_popescu: yeah generally a pragmatic approach works better. there are more things we want to believe in than can be done.
psterryl: so people are saying neobee is a scam now?
VanCleef: yeah its official
mircea_popescu: just poorly managed.
bounce: but, I like that poster!
psterryl: how is it official vancleef?
psterryl: since there's been no official statement
psterryl: seems like rumour to me
psterryl: until someone points to some legit evidence or a statement from LMB/neo/danny
mircea_popescu: psterryl what's your reasoning process here ?
psterryl: my reasoning is evidence based
psterryl: without evidence either way
mircea_popescu: i mean specifically in this deduction :
mircea_popescu: <psterryl> so people are saying neobee is a scam now?
mircea_popescu: <VanCleef> yeah its official <psterryl> until someone points to some legit evidence or a statement from LMB/neo/danny
psterryl: it's impossible to call it one way or the other
mircea_popescu: no, this is neither reasonable nor novel material.
mircea_popescu: it's been covered to death why " it's impossible to call it one way or the other" doesn't work and doesn't hold, over the years
mircea_popescu: you'll have to refer to the logs.
psterryl: i'm just talking from my own personal viewpoint
psterryl: everyone is entitled to their own opinions/deductions
psterryl: i like to be shown conclusive proof
psterryl: rather than get caught up in internet chinese whispers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.06730513 = 2.3557 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: no, everyone is not entitled to their own personal viewpoint.
psterryl: oh ok
mircea_popescu: the path is 1) you prove you're able to think ; 2) you're entitled to your own viewpoint.
psterryl: so everyone is entitled to the mircea approved viewpoint?
mircea_popescu: so far you're short 1.
mircea_popescu: no.
psterryl: well, my 1st class university degree should suggest i'm ok for #1
mircea_popescu: but there is such a thing as an examen de maturite which keeps the children away from human society.
psterryl: but you're just some random guy on the internet
mircea_popescu: you may not suggest that. i have to suggest it, when you're talking to me,
bounce: eh, opinions are like assholes. everyone's got one. whether they matter is something else entirely.
psterryl: so it's not like i have to prove anything to you
psterryl: ok cool
psterryl: well
mircea_popescu: and generally everyone else, when you're talking to them.
psterryl: in that cuse
cazalla: popcorn.gif
psterryl: as of this moment, i'm officially talking to everyone in this channel apart from you
psterryl: so you dont need to worry
mircea_popescu: aite.
cbr: *clap clap clap clap*
ThickAsThieves: statistically, ignoring mp is ignoring like half its content
ThickAsThieves: (the channel's)
punkman1: psterryl: congratulations, you've removed all doubt
psterryl: yeah im new on here so still working out who is insightful and who's just a dick
ThickAsThieves: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
psterryl: at first i thought mp was the former but starting to think latter
chetty: here the dick is the insightful
artifexd: Those qualities are not mutually exclusive.
psterryl: i think that says a lot about the bitcoin community
VanCleef: psterryl i think this might help - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080602010632AAlnmTB
psterryl: oh wow vancleef
psterryl: such insight
psterryl: many revelation
ThickAsThieves: also "mean" and "dick" are emotional observations
ThickAsThieves: not quite applicable to substance
mircea_popescu: VanCleef i thought the freudian/jungian approach was poo = moneys.
VanCleef: that would be good
VanCleef: i had to check my pants before when i woke up
ThickAsThieves: the life a monkey!
mircea_popescu: haha
psterryl: true but when someone makes a blanket statement that not everyone is entitled to their own opinion
psterryl: it suddenly becomes much harder to take them seriously
psterryl: even idiots are entited to an opinion
psterryl: it might be subjectively wrong in my eyes
psterryl: but doesnt mean they're not entiteld to it
ThickAsThieves: i dunno
ThickAsThieves: did you bother asking why?
ThickAsThieves: maybe he has logic behind his claims
ThickAsThieves: you never felt like some people's opinion's dont deserve the weight they carry
ThickAsThieves: ?
psterryl: of course
psterryl: but they're still entitled to that opinion
psterryl: despite my personal views of it
ThickAsThieves: or like the people that are most likely to say "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" are the least likely to have opinions worth considering?
psterryl: well
psterryl: that may be your opinion
ThickAsThieves: it's customer-is-always-right syndrome
psterryl: and you're totally entitled to it
psterryl: but i personally disagree
ThickAsThieves: maybe the issue mp has is with entitlement itself
ThickAsThieves: not the craziest thing to challenge
VanCleef: anyone have a youtube vid of a robot that's better than asimo?
psterryl: that's a possibility
psterryl: but saying that someone has to prove their intelligence before they're allowed an opinion
psterryl: seems like a fairly entitled stance
psterryl: so maybe it's a self-loathing issue
ThickAsThieves: if you think mp is self-loathing, you have not read much from him
psterryl: like i said i'm new here
VanCleef: stocks are like women....once they lose their value you dump them
ThickAsThieves: VanCleef, in that example, isnt better to dump them before they lose value?
VanCleef: yes but like with women investors get emotionally involved and dont know when to let go
VanCleef: this is the problem psterryl is having with neobee atm
ThickAsThieves: a bit of a generalization, but i hear ya
pankkake: I thought the limit for women was clear, dump when the age doesn't end in teen
psterryl: and sometimes people bring a relationship back from the rocks and go on to have long and fulfilling times together
mircea_popescu: why not just dump them when they get annoying, age-irrespective ?
pankkake: wait there are non-annoying women?!
mircea_popescu: yeah!
pankkake: that didn't use to be a man?
mircea_popescu: see, if you dump them when they get 20 you're stuck with a bunch of annoying teens
mircea_popescu: if you dump them when they get annoying you're stuck with a bunch of pleasant women.
chetty: hey there are a lot of non-annoying women
ThickAsThieves: maybe you need to write a how to pick up chicks worth picking up blog
mircea_popescu: chetty dated a lot of em ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's simple, "have your girls recommend"
ThickAsThieves: my girls?
ThickAsThieves: like exes?
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: no, because as per previous exes are annoying
ThickAsThieves: slaves?
ThickAsThieves: mom?
mircea_popescu: well slaves if you keep slaves, girlfriends, w/e you got
mircea_popescu: lol mom. not mom, it works better if you've been intimate. what's urmom know.
ThickAsThieves: so ask your gf to recommend a new gf?
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: then again... deep south... maybe i shouldn't assume
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves definitely.
VanCleef: "how to pick up chicks by not talking about bitcoin"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00094435 = 6.4688 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "I'm sorry baby, it's just not working out. Got any referrals?"
mircea_popescu: well you can't dump her
mircea_popescu: she's not being annoying is she.
ThickAsThieves: you gotta hold our collective hand a little hear
ThickAsThieves: here*
ThickAsThieves: cant find the thread
mircea_popescu: i am more than willing to continue answering q's.
mircea_popescu: tis not annoying or anything :D
ThickAsThieves: i'll rephrase
ThickAsThieves: shooting in the dark is annoying too
ThickAsThieves: so far it seems you want a man to ask his not-annoying gf for recommendations
mircea_popescu: gfs
chetty: where is your sense of adventure?
mircea_popescu: it's unlikely a single girl can do much for oyu.
ThickAsThieves: so we need to rewind to where you suggest a man generally keep multiple gfs
mircea_popescu: a man does generally keep multiple gfs.
[KS]: Hi all - you guys are golden. Asssets/scams/2c psychology/women advice etc :) (back to lurking)
ThickAsThieves: the kind he fucks?
Diablo-D3: lol
ThickAsThieves: or the kind he'll talk to?
mircea_popescu: [KS] hugs and kisses to you too
Diablo-D3 has kept multiple gfs.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes the kind he fucks.
ThickAsThieves: anytime i've attempted as much it felt more like being a triple agent than anything
mircea_popescu: this "lifetime monogamy" thing is a very narrow edge case of human sexual and intimate practice.
mircea_popescu: both historical and geographical.
ThickAsThieves: the more they know about each other the more crazy they behave
mircea_popescu: if they do dump em.
ThickAsThieves: i see
mircea_popescu: as per annoying rule.
ThickAsThieves: heh
ThickAsThieves: so simple!
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: turns out red wire was there all along :)
ThickAsThieves: and should man tolerate the reverse?
mircea_popescu: up to him.
ThickAsThieves: whether ity annoys him
ThickAsThieves: still works i guess
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: btw, quick question : einstein had a) no girlfriend ; b) one girlfriend c) two girlfriends or d) thirteen girlfriends.
ThickAsThieves: a?
ThickAsThieves: i'm going with intelligence is a burden
ThickAsThieves: "Albert Einstein had half a dozen girlfriends and told his wife they showered him with "unwanted" affection, according to letters released "
mircea_popescu: :p
Diablo-D3: #smartpeopleproblems
ThickAsThieves: he married his cousin too
Diablo-D3: second cousin
kakobrekla: did he also eat the neighbors dog?
kakobrekla: smart people problems.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, but reports show he occasionally ate the neighbour's bitch.
kakobrekla: you bitch.
mircea_popescu: now to fully establish the other extreme, since nobody seems inclined, we return to scriptae :
mircea_popescu: It's unfair to quote a 5 year old article but if Alone still believes _that_ analysis has validity...he's missed the forest of leeching for the victimized and disinterested trees. Many women invest their entire lives in what amounts to brazen fraud conducted and perfected to "catch" a guy who is then trapped with no idea how cruelly he's been setup.
mircea_popescu: Guys lose interest. And women, who hated sex remember (they're not that type of girl), suddenly give the con away. It boils down to this; what are they bringing to the party?
mircea_popescu: Emotional poison, lies, some shitty repetitive sex (I'll be more romantic when those who believe in the lie that is exclusivity eat the same meal for the rest of their lives), surrogate services, shitty cooking...It doesn't matter that I'm grossly making crude generalizations. I'm right.
mircea_popescu: And the market agrees with me. Alone missed it. Porn is a better product. If girls want to compete maybe they should get real? Virtual honesty v Virtual Deceit? This is economics. No need for hysterics or water works or expressed feelings. Awwh.
mircea_popescu: now THIS is self loathing.
ThickAsThieves: written by a woman?
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narcissus.html#comment-27176
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus
mircea_popescu: some guy presumably.
ThickAsThieves: or so he'd like us to believe
mircea_popescu: i'll give this much credit to the entire progressive movement : while in the 50s there in fact existed schools and other torture implements dedicated to reforming otherwise decent, healthy and loving human beings into the sort of very sad victims of abuse described there,
mircea_popescu: it's rare now.
mircea_popescu: so rare that extant examples are almost fascinating for reason of that rarity.
ThickAsThieves: i imagine dating in your 30s in 40s these days is pretty much all online websites now?
chetty: huh? Looks like more of those schools out there, just different rules
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves betas shower the websites, alphas let the girls suggest girls for the club.
mircea_popescu: chetty how you mean ?
mircea_popescu: and in completely different yet very related news, "The problem, as the president explained it, is that Putin doesn’t understand how the world is supposed to work"
ThickAsThieves: projection?
mircea_popescu: inching along towards the "putin doesn't give a shit about the way i think the world should work"
chetty: wiht 'leaders' like that no wonder world is such a mess
mircea_popescu: after which, "putin is satan"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00547308 = 0.3229 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: and now i shall proceed to read the log, so allow me to spam you all even more!
ThickAsThieves: one thing that isnt so bad about US public communication, is if youve any hint of doubt, you can mostly assume they are saying the opposite of what's true
mircea_popescu: pravda.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 195 @ 0.06032577 = 11.7635 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0436 = 0.1744 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: nice one kakobrekla i tweetered it.
mircea_popescu: nicknode_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#591212☝︎
mircea_popescu: you don't have to pay anything, unless you're reading a lot of trilema. then it's like i don't recall, .1 cents ?
ThickAsThieves: how will we protect ATC from such a fate?
mircea_popescu: this is a pretty good q.
kakobrekla: merged mining with btc :(
mircea_popescu: my own thinking is that if we keep a reasonable floor under it it'll never be productive
ThickAsThieves: i dont think it could be protected really
mircea_popescu: in general the best way to reduce irrational behaviour is to control volatility.
mircea_popescu: kinda the original thinking behind central banks at any rate
ThickAsThieves: all it would take is one btc farm to point at it
kakobrekla: go ahead and try to attack 'nmc'
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes, but why would they ? not worth it.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what about it ?
kakobrekla: well, its much much harder than atc
ThickAsThieves: so basically we cant let it bubble either
ThickAsThieves: or itll draw attention
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves indeed. this baby will do a bunch if firsts.
mircea_popescu: first altcoin not premined, first altcoin not allowed to bubble, etc.
ThickAsThieves: time for the Altcoin Central Bank to make a trading bot
mircea_popescu: i thought that's why i wrote bingoboingo.
kakobrekla: how can you 'not allow' it to bubble
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla by selling.
ThickAsThieves: yep
ThickAsThieves: large holders need to give it up when it's time
kakobrekla: you cant sell enough if the things wants to bubble
mircea_popescu: try me.
ThickAsThieves: a new floor might be reached in the process
ThickAsThieves: but trying alone will help
mircea_popescu: economy may be a social science, but finance is totally an art.
kakobrekla: its math, i dont need to try you
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: math is only the bus ticket taking you to the concert.
ThickAsThieves: "SchellingCoin: A Minimal-Trust Universal Data Feed"
kakobrekla: thats fine, i hate concerts.
mircea_popescu: it's gotten to where i can no longer discern parody from reality.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you made that shit up baby ?
ThickAsThieves: ive said as much before, for years
ThickAsThieves: or are you asking me about SchellingCoin?
ThickAsThieves: it's a fukn Ethereum thing
ThickAsThieves: i cant look at any one line without pain
ThickAsThieves: "The main idea here is called “hedging”, and is best explained in the context of Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: the schelling i was asking about yea
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/court-grants-order-freeze-hashfasts-bitcoin-wallets/
ThickAsThieves: freeze the maths!
kakobrekla: dafuq
mircea_popescu: lolwut
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaa
kakobrekla: A court in Fort Worth, Texas, has granted a temporary restraining order to freeze the bitcoin wallets of ASIC mining hardware manufacturer HashFast Technologies LLC and HashFast LLC, after a customer claimed it failed to deliver hardware on time or negotiate a refund.
ThickAsThieves: “It speaks to the legitimacy of cryptocurrencies and a growing understanding of their value and importance to businesses.”
ThickAsThieves: the pains
mircea_popescu: The complaint, which has a Background section with the question “What the heck is a Bitcoin?” also contains an attachment of 30 pages of bitcointalk forum discussion detailing the history of the story from July-August 2013.
mircea_popescu: ok, i guess it's announcement time : mpex will not be honoring the forth worth court order, or any similar instrument drawn by any court.
kakobrekla: why so quick to jump the gun on this while bfl can shit in peoples mouth for years now
mircea_popescu: any bitcoins received as specified by mpex will be fully credited to the depositor in any and all circumstances.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 830 @ 0.00084575 = 0.702 BTC [-] {6}
ThickAsThieves: so now courts need to learn to freeze teh geepeegees
mircea_popescu: courts need to learn the limits of their jurisdiction, preferably.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.00084036 = 0.1429 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: "At the time of the order, on 1st October 2013, 1 BTC was worth around $126."
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough...
ThickAsThieves: would it be fair to stop assigning a USD value in cases of stolen coins?
ThickAsThieves: 1 btc = 1btc
ThickAsThieves: what is owed is 1 btc
ThickAsThieves: etc
mircea_popescu: in this court, yes.
mircea_popescu: in a fiat court, never.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im off to scream at people who are entitled to their own opinions (over my dead body). bbl.
kakobrekla: ahaah
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Egvl9VqgE
kakobrekla: i guess this guy did even worse than me
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: so AM didnt pay any divs this week?
ThickAsThieves: yet they got their first wafers on the 22nd
ThickAsThieves: oh i see
ThickAsThieves: "The engineering batch of packaged chips will be out in March 28th. After that we can immediately start testing on functionality and power consumption."
ThickAsThieves: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bKnU7W0YjEs/Ump234VWbOI/AAAAAAAAHRw/83ay9umkSHE/s1600/skeletor.jpg
VanCleef: no divs from now on
VanCleef: :(
Mats_cd03: http://nationalreport.net/bill-murray-stops-bank-robbery-tokyo-accidentally/
ozbot: Bill Murray Stops Bank Robbery In Tokyo, Accidentally - National Report | National Report
Mats_cd03: “We love Bill Murray very much in our country, he is very funny man”
Mats_cd03: huhuhu
VanCleef: should have been a scene in lost in translation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00094095 = 12.7499 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00094321 = 27.919 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1319 @ 0.00094458 = 1.2459 BTC [+]
moiety: good aftermewn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.05976153 = 3.1076 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59269707 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: good afternoon cuties
VanCleef: hey sexy
moiety: hows everyone's weekend going?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59376997 = 1.1875 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59484288 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59495089 BTC [+]
jurov: moiety, i'm at bitcoin hackathon... but dunno if such activity suits me
bounce: so whatchu haxx0rin?
moiety: jurov: not having fun? is there a fair bit of folk there?
bounce: .oO( lots of the fair folk )
moiety: lol // or is this the online thing?
jurov: no, offline in hackerspace here
jurov: but my hard of hearing ears are failing me again, i need one or few people talk directly to me, not scattered talking across the room
VanCleef: wow havelock is such a fail
jurov: did sth happen besides neobee?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59495089 BTC [+]
VanCleef: just slow as ass
VanCleef: i could punch by monitor go out and buy a new one and it would still be loading
VanCleef: pos
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59495089 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52610001 = 1.0522 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52610001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52610001 = 1.0522 BTC [-]
moiety: oh i found it jurov, just hit the bar... it accepts btc lol
moiety: i don't recommend it VanCleef lol using a plug in monitor is such a pain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52610001 = 1.0522 BTC [-]
moiety: why is it so slow VanCleef?
VanCleef: bunch of shit cunts
VanCleef: that's why
VanCleef: probably becaouse of am news
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52610001 = 5.261 BTC [-] {2}
VanCleef: hope that was me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52610001 = 3.6827 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.59523285 = 4.7619 BTC [+] {4}
VanCleef: sweet i got the 52's
VanCleef punches monitor anyway
moiety: lol ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44023839 BTC to 4`859 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60720341 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54 = 1.62 BTC [-]
dexX7: am @ 0.54? ouch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6074 = 1.2148 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: bet itll go to 0.49 by tomorrow
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5959710#msg5959710
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
kakobrekla: lel wtf is this
VanCleef: http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/ageing-successfully-reversed-in-mice-human-trials-to-begin-next/
Diablo-D3: nice
artifexd: Friedcat says the chips work. Price goes down. /confused
artifexd: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5967983#msg5967983
ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
VanCleef: what i think happened artifexd is that the page is choking up so much and people are in a panic to buy that they accidently confusing buy with sell instead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00093949 = 3.1943 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: ...lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [+]
dexX7: hey nubbins`, do you still have the "friedcat for president" picture somewhere? :)
nubbins`: ah! that actually wasn't mine
nubbins`: the one with granny blades, ya mean?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.611 BTC [+]
dexX7: yea
dexX7: http://www.asicminercharts.com/Friedcat4President.big.jpg
nubbins`: that was the inspiration for the shirts i did :D
dexX7: hehe i see :))
dexX7: must be almost a year ago now
VanCleef chants "4 more years, 4 more years."
nubbins`: june 2013
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00597555 = 0.1076 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: my friedcat shirt is already damaged
pankkake: scam
dexX7: well anyway. is havelock going up in flames or was the issue yesterday related to neo?
nubbins`: pankkake that's what happens if you wear it every day ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00609199 = 0.1401 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: !t h neobee
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00185115 / 0.00207973 / 0.00242900 (6781 shares, 14.10264829 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00245529 / 0.00328800 (115967 shares, 284.73313362 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00357882 / 0.00567777 (513634 shares, 1838.20473331 BTC)
nubbins`: !
dexX7: trading was frozen
dexX7: or still is, not sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61599 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61592499 = 2.4637 BTC [-] {3}
VanCleef: yeh neobee still frozen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0449 = 0.1796 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.61825499 = 6.1825 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006099 = 0.122 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00739898 = 0.7399 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00609964 = 0.3782 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.62634867 = 12.527 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00094208 = 5.3228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 180 @ 0.00609998 = 1.098 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06948434 = 0.6948 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00609999 = 0.9943 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00609999 = 0.3111 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00609999 = 0.61 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.056425 = 0.1129 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00609999 = 0.2867 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 76 @ 0.0061 = 0.4636 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62688333 = 1.8806 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19192 @ 0.00094393 = 18.1159 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.62835386 = 8.1686 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62893889 = 1.2579 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.045 = 0.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.63809121 = 19.1427 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: i muxed the who ?
mircea_popescu: i need someone to translate the forum for the people who normally translate the forum for me ;/
dexX7: wat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64506666 = 1.9352 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Yeah, come at me gobment bro! Ahm behind 7 proxies! MPEX got an anthrax email from NSA but he muxed it to double sideband at a lower baud rate and now he's in ur base, killing ur d00dz."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6467996 = 6.468 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyone's guess
asciilifeform: 'mux' - multiplexer
dexX7: haha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i know that part.
asciilifeform: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Double-sideband_suppressed-carrier_transmission.html
ozbot: Double-sideband suppressed-carrier transmission
mircea_popescu: that's the problem, the words taken disparate work, but somehow they've been put in a soup that fails to anything
asciilifeform: nth generation 'xerox' of a 'ham radio' joke
mircea_popescu: oh
asciilifeform: probably from a hollywood flick
mircea_popescu: but... DSB-SC is about lower power
mircea_popescu: baud rate dun enter into it
mircea_popescu: well technically better coverage i guess, since your power's your power.
asciilifeform: in hollywood, they appear to use 'shannonizers' to write technical dialogu
asciilifeform: e
asciilifeform: and get pieces like this.
mircea_popescu: ic
asciilifeform: where'd the turd come from?
mircea_popescu: le forum
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5959710#msg5959710
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
asciilifeform: loltron
dexX7: wait. you are herp?
dexX7: ah nvm
blackwhite: hola gents
mircea_popescu: ello
dexX7: hi
tg2: Lol hashfast
tg2: I told you guys, they aren't even building their own hardware
tg2: I know the owner of the company who is assembling their hardware
asciilifeform: very few people do assembly in-house
dexX7: ^
asciilifeform: not that 'vertical integration' is unheard of, but it rarely makes sense for a small electronics firm to buy pick'n'place apparatus, ovens, etc.
tg2: I could go over there and jack all their units
tg2: But there aren't any lol
tg2: Anyway, waiting for alpha-t to get sued into the ground
asciilifeform: one can get a pick'n'placer for $20-40K (USD), but it isn't magic - someone clueful has to run it
asciilifeform: like any machine tool, really.
asciilifeform: even the fabled '3d printer'
asciilifeform: tends to piss itself half the time, if left alone.
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dexX7: related: i was approached by hashfast last year to be a forum shill with a payment of $15/hour in babyjet credits - i declined
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Duffer1: i'm not even a little surprised
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/heres-an-idea-for-you/
ozbot: Here’s an idea for you pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 you know, judging by the perpetual X is paid by MPEx "discoveries", "research" and so forth on the forum, im starting to suspect i may be the only one not doing this.
mircea_popescu: too quickly they think of it for them to not be doing it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one can buy marine radar domes quite small enough to fit on a car.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but i would imagine a better adjusted thing may be developed.
mircea_popescu: i mean, marine radar is not biased for concrete say
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall that a recent mercedes has radar of some form
kakobrekla: it doesnt work very well
mircea_popescu: they've been toying with "assisted parking" for quite a while.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, whosoever gets anywhere even near a deliverable with this tyhing is getting bought out in short order, and in the higher millions.
asciilifeform: afaik, the only parking-related car widget worth mentioning is that japanese mod where all four wheels turn
asciilifeform: moving the car sideways
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mircea_popescu: that and the tentacles.
asciilifeform: bought out in short order, and in the higher millions << might be a little problem once the car behind/in front/side of yours has emitters
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you polarize the lasers, you use modulated radar, there's solutions
asciilifeform: then you get folks who go 'well, if we're already broadcasting, let's make exact position radio mandatory, like lights'
kakobrekla: mux it to lower band rate?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla exactly!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, the perennial possibility of idiots does not really constitute a counterargument.
mircea_popescu: i never hear anyone propose abstinence on the grounds that fucking may become obligatory otherwise.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: :D
mircea_popescu: and yet it has!
tg2: I had one idea for a car invention
asciilifeform: anyone recall the widget the americans used in vietnam, that picked up rf noise from cars?
tg2: Proximity sensors on the end of your doors and hydraulic inhibitors on the door hinges
tg2: So your door doesn't open into somebody's car
tg2: it would stop just before
asciilifeform: tg2: that, or rubber bumpers.
mircea_popescu: rubber bumps sounds cheaperr
tg2: Nope this is sans contact
tg2: And it stops before
mircea_popescu: if anyone's seen cars in like rome etc... the even cheaper alternative would be "people stop giving a shit about scratches"
tg2: Not putting rubber door bumpers on my 150,000 merc
mircea_popescu: latin america is like that too
asciilifeform: i've always thought it odd, that no one, lambo or trambo, makes a car with standardized panels for the outside
asciilifeform: which one could unbolt and swap at one's leisure
mircea_popescu: no car contains a flat surface of as much as a square inch
asciilifeform: they needn't be flat and rigid
tg2: If it can be done with backup proximity sensors
tg2: That technology is already nature
tg2: Subsurface too now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually even since the japanese have been working on their female android women replacements, i've been thinking "they'll make cars out of that skin material just as soon as possible"
asciilifeform: lol!
tg2: They have scratch repairing paint already
tg2: nissan invented it
asciilifeform: anyone have the ancient link to the piece re: korean students who go through 2-3 of the 'androids' per year?
moiety: they need robot women replacements with all the people like karpeles going over and buying their women
mircea_popescu: moiety think about all the time this is saving you.
mircea_popescu: kitchen robots were nothing.
moiety is happy with a toaster, you know this ;P
mircea_popescu: "even a blind toaster can pinch a careless nipple", or how did that russian proverb go
asciilifeform: 'Social skills will decline markedly after the advent of sex robots, much like the way electronic calculators degraded arithmetic skills. Because sex robots will finally allow men to be themselves. This will make men even less desirable to real women than they are already, driving men to seek solace with sex robots even more. The cycle will be vicious and I can’t wait for it to start.'
moiety: lolololol
asciilifeform: (infamous usenet sage - http://www.myrsky.net/danimal-archive-part-8/index.html)
moiety: i dont know any russian proverbs unless manuls are involved
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that, tbh. if anything, it'll remove a lot of pressure to perform from the mishoden, dysfunctional male humans, which'll make it so much better for the healthy.
asciilifeform: 'Some women might, however, choose to coexist with sexbots, just as some European women as they get older tolerate their husbands taking up with younger mistresses. The aging wife gets to keep her status and her stable home. She has all the trappings of marriage, but she no longer functions as her husband’s sexual outlet.'
mircea_popescu: take sports : a sport that's popular is annoying because all the inept idiots insist to play it.
mircea_popescu: a sport that's not popular is usually a lot more fun
moietybot: MOTD http://i.imgur.com/gdAGwfl.jpg
mircea_popescu: moietybot should be known as moietybooty
mircea_popescu: lol
moiety: LOL mircea_popescu i dont think i have a big enough arse to qualify
mircea_popescu: so work it girl!
asciilifeform: moietybot: someone ought to cross-breed manul with the argentinian 'colocolo' - to get a thicker-yet beast
mircea_popescu: or with an eagle.
mircea_popescu: to give it wings.
mircea_popescu: imagine! flying manul.
moiety: i just want one big enough to ride around on, is that so much to ask?
asciilifeform: most 'felis' can actually cross.
moiety: omg stuff your flying japanese girl covered cars, i want a flying manul!
asciilifeform: e.g. african 'serval' and housecat
mircea_popescu: moiety would you ride around on it naked holding a spear ?
moiety: so much YES
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2014/heres-an-idea-for-you/ --- Futura is my favorite typeface, but the world seems to be catching on
mircea_popescu: we could call it "the walk of the moieties"
moiety: wait, can i has a crossbow?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well it also depends on the application imo
asciilifeform: 'The in-laws won’t be as much of a problem either because the male in-laws will be preoccupied with sexbots of their own, therefore they will have less time on their hands to spend meddling in the lives of their relatives. At family gatherings, the men will gather around to trade sexbot programs, while the women will gather to complain about the men’s sexbots. Or may women will play with their catbots and
asciilifeform: be happy, while their Oprah-bots listen to them talk about their problems and simulate interest.'
mircea_popescu: but what do i know, my interaction with typo design was limited to being the phb for a few years.
jurov: moiety crossbow is fine as long as you don't wear armor with duck-beaked helmet
ThickAsThieves: it's certainly got more character than Helvetica
ThickAsThieves: no pun intended
mircea_popescu: helvetica is overblown.
mircea_popescu: jurov duck beaked helmet isn't so bad...
mircea_popescu: maybe she could have mmorpg style armor : something to protect her pubic bone and something on her shoulders.
mircea_popescu: because we all know that's where armor is really needed.
moiety: jurov, nah im not getting clothes so its cool
moiety: actually, pubic bones... yeah what mircea_popescu said
jurov: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/raharnett/Armor/1%20to%201%20Armored%20ladies/Best%20of%20Fantaghiro%20550%20wide/m_m_Fantaghiro154_kl.jpg avoided
mircea_popescu: moiety armor where the hair grows. it's how the greeks did it...
moiety: asciilifeform: jeez... these wee buggers have stripey legs....are you trying to make me have no free time at all?! http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/C4/C40A617A-375F-4208-9D7E-B2EB473F867D/Presentation.Large/Pampas-cat-.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/dc2043f30877570e1ccc2451e97cce1a/tumblr_n2psavBj7c1qdzsj9o1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: that looks uncomfortable enough...
moiety: looks chilly to me
moiety: i do live in scotland
moiety: but.. manuls are soooo fluffy... compensation?!
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3pskvGwyE1rvykkqo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: somewhat derpier.
mircea_popescu: ok, ok, this one you'll prolly like : http://25.media.tumblr.com/e854664589be0afcb7ee9410996a2149/tumblr_mthdk6921q1reohnuo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/13295acff0139c305bbddf582bb1065f/tumblr_n2a1vkaRIu1s0wwqso1_500.jpg << and this could be your accountant/pass through operator / travel arrangements arranger.
asciilifeform: 'If the world’s most beautiful women want to be gold-diggers, that’s their right. It doesn’t “humiliate” me. It merely establishes what I would have to obtain (namely, wealth and fame) if I wanted to bang some of those women. The actual women, that is. Technology may provide an easier alternative. And a more intellectually satisfying alternative too.'
asciilifeform: 'It’s interesting to consider which gender’s ideal can be realized first with technology. It should be a lot easier for technology to simulate Howard Stern’s girlfriend (for the satisfaction of men) than for technology to simulate Howard Stern (for the satisfaction of women). With Howard Stern, the salient feature is the success, and the relative status. If every man had a $500 million satellite radio co
asciilifeform: ntract, they would all be merely average again in the eyes of women. (Consider that the average US working stiff is fantastically wealthy in Medieval terms, but modern US women have simply raised their materialistic requirements commensurately.)
asciilifeform: With Howard Stern’s girlfriend, the salient features are absolute: her looks and her receptive behavior. If every woman looked similarly good, and behaved as adoringly toward the average working stiff, they would still look good. (A man can test this hypothesis by viewing photographs of thousands of attractive women. Even after massive, pervasive exposure, they still look good. In fact, pornography can be un
asciilifeform: derstood as an attempt by men to democratize the experience of enjoying beautiful women. So far, technology hasn’t been up to the task—actual beautiful women are still better—but technology will keep improving.)'
mircea_popescu: sigh. they're not gold diggers ffs.
asciilifeform: (last turd. anyone who wants more can visit the site)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/sa-facem-o-regula/
ozbot: Sa facem o regula pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: sadly, in romanian. but apparently same problems exist in english too
mircea_popescu: " With Howard Stern, the salient feature is the success, and the relative status." god help us. that's the salient feature ?
asciilifeform: incidentally, this fellow, afaik, was not a psychiatric case himself, but for some reason enjoyed trolling usenet groups full of such
asciilifeform: 'alt.support.sad' whatever
mircea_popescu: good troll then.
asciilifeform: one of the best that ever lived, imho
mircea_popescu: and no, the avg working stiff is by no means richer than the average medieval iobag
mircea_popescu: not by a long shot.
moiety: i'd totally wear these http://img1.etsystatic.com/041/1/7659305/il_340x270.507047681_66jn.jpg and http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mHOZ9IRxq8LqUrOY5U6Fa8g.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform name ?
mircea_popescu: moiety you ever been in a corset ?
asciilifeform: dan mocsny
mircea_popescu: not a corselet/bodice/otherbs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds hungarian.
asciilifeform: afaik he's still alive, somewhere in ohio (u.s.) but only posts to groups re: competitive bicycling
asciilifeform: as to when is the next race, etc.
moiety: not a proper, someone else laces you in at the back one. mine had bones but laced up both sides instead
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so invite him over!
mircea_popescu: moiety yeah. they're not that comfortable to wear, esp for teh noob/peasant girl that wasn't raised with them.
mircea_popescu: that metal thing is that much less forgiving
moiety: looks cool tho
mircea_popescu: sure. pain usually looks cool on women.
mircea_popescu: honest signal.
asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.support.shyness/asmq8JHi00E/tKRODrKPI5UJ
asciilifeform: (apologies for the line noise)
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5wojc4dWL1rrf2v2o3_250.jpg
mircea_popescu: what better way to spend a summer
mircea_popescu: than cooking your boobs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hmm, i should be on alt.support.shyness.
Mats_cd03: meow
asciilifeform: and if you need to cook something else, take the parabolic reflectors off and prop in the sun.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idk if that snakepit still exists
asciilifeform: this crap is very ancient history
asciilifeform: then again, a usenet group can never really die
asciilifeform: like a soviet satellite in 'graveyard orbit'
asciilifeform: much of usenet is, unfortunately, parked in graveyard orbit.
mircea_popescu: pretty much yeah afaik
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moiety: <mircea_popescu> than cooking your boobs << lmfao
asciilifeform: herr mocsny was once called an 'intellectual father' of the 'pua' folks.
moiety: whatever happened to people liking other people for who they were? have i been under a rock too long?
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mircea_popescu: moiety show me people who ARE something and i'll consider it.
blackwhite: so complicated
benkay: morning
bitcoinpete: morning
blackwhite: morning ben
benkay: met more crazy people
benkay: why ams bitcoinfolk so insane?
moiety: it depends what makes a person someone for you though. there arent enuogh people with personality now
blackwhite: because it attracts the best and the worst kind of people
mircea_popescu: ^
blackwhite: all the scammers with the ideologists
mircea_popescu: the best kinds of people often actually being the worst kinds of people.
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/bc0276413c99b37fbff1b0b57bf5d6e9/tumblr_n0rxoeRLA41raeqk4o1_500.jpg
moiety: glad to see you made it through the night benkay, did a neighbour pop by to feed you?
benkay: "entrepreneurs"
mircea_popescu: epic fucking boots already.
moiety: I want the sword :(
moiety: for my collection
asciilifeform: that sword probably weighs more than the girl.
mircea_popescu: yeah it's a decent bastard isn't it
moiety: ikr
moiety: bet my hattori is sharper tho :P
asciilifeform: archaelogists love to point out how lightweight most actual, historical armaments were.
asciilifeform: compared with theatrical junk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, actual weapons exist to not be seen, but used. thatrical stuff the converse.
blackwhite: i just like the girl fuck all the other stuff
asciilifeform: correct
mircea_popescu: blackwhite you're not perverse enough to be here then!
asciilifeform: ;;google an officer without a sword is improperly dressed
gribble: Jack Churchill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill>; Badass of the Week: Jack Churchill: <http://badassoftheweek.com/churchill.html>; Any Officer Who Goes Into Action Without His Sword is Improperly ...: <http://www.damninteresting.com/any-officer-who-goes-into-action-without-his-sword-is-improperly-dressed/>
benkay: the girl is boring
benkay: everything is boring
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/e9dd3e0186471f51567b587874520eec/tumblr_mymc7r98ai1rlitzfo1_500.jpg << now we know where benkay cooked his breakfast dinner.
benkay: i am hungover
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benkay: wat
bitcoinpete: and it's portland so there's no sun
benkay: no there you're wrong
benkay: for these current ten minutes there is sun
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/2a10ba9ae434659a77f1cfcbe1ec2c4f/tumblr_mz62od0Ovm1sdxszuo5_500.jpg ok, better girl, smaller sword.
mircea_popescu: is that some wakizashi ?
benkay: we have a crazy microclimate that's always flipping and flopping through various precipitation states
benkay: local chaos zone
benkay: mmm. reds.
benkay: so hey are we distinguishing between incompetence and malice in Bitcoin these days, mircea_popescu ?
benkay: i was under the impression everything just got lumped under 'scam'
asciilifeform: incompetence + persistence ~= malice.
mircea_popescu: ha! good eq.
mircea_popescu: "sufficiently persistent incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
moiety: i'd say this http://funniesandhunnies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/image_9.jpg
benkay: is that you and your daikatana, moiety ?
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1763472/plain/)
asciilifeform: !b 4
mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's her and her loubotin sandals. the sword's a prop.
moiety: lolnope i have a hattori hunting as my pride and joy, i'd love one though.. plus i am the same colour as paper
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/f9f30e28541c33bfea61fa7858deae49/tumblr_n22osz6Ym91rlitzfo1_500.jpg
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moiety: i'd take the dog too
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mircea_popescu: andyfletcher btw, get in the wot will you.
tg2: You guys blade heads?
andyfletcher: mircea_popescu, am on wot just wasn't authenticated
tg2: ;;ident andyfletcher
gribble: Nick 'andyfletcher', with hostmask 'andyfletcher!~andy@unaffiliated/uksv29', is identified as user 'andyfletcher', with GPG key id 502409E67767E3C6, key fingerprint 7104459391233F576A31B5CD502409E67767E3C6, and bitcoin address 17fZJ7UNTTxA2hrPLFvuNHbBnqpXJ31GB6
andyfletcher grins "Is me"
mircea_popescu: o hey :)
mircea_popescu: nice new pic bitcoinpete
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu the alt-twitter one?
mircea_popescu: ya
bitcoinpete: ty. it's actually slightly older
bitcoinpete: i just thought your car-minded piece was better directed at my car-minded followers
bitcoinpete: reading lots of ballas today
bitcoinpete: http://www.uq.edu.au/hprcflex/lt2310/sallust1.htm
bitcoinpete: latin too
jurov: mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls
mircea_popescu: jurov on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a thought : how about rng based on measuring instantaneous polarisation of Nd:YAG laser ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: feasible - expensive
mircea_popescu: the garnets aren't really that expensive anymore are they ?
asciilifeform: and possibly subject to thermal effects
mircea_popescu: yes but immune to any em effects
mircea_popescu: such that geiger is not
asciilifeform: cheaper to have a johnson rng in a shield
mircea_popescu: are the aluminium garnets really that expensive still ?!
asciilifeform: regardless of what type of rng, analogue portion of circuit must be shielded
mircea_popescu: this is true.
bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None
asciilifeform: lasers also age very dramatically (less the case for semiconductor laser, but remains)
asciilifeform: of course, anything ages. geiger tube is good for a few yrs.
bitcoinpete: ;;rate benkay 1 helped teach me that variety speak
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: yeah afaik ss lasers don't age that fast.
asciilifeform: a sane rng is always shielded, not only to keep out noise (natural or otherwise) but to avoid broadcasting state.
bitcoinpete: ;;rate artifexd 1 generously lent btc
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded.
asciilifeform: http://io.ua/6346977
kakobrekla: looper-os.org down ?
bounce: re hud and laser rangefinders, IIRC jaguar went on discovery ages ago with something built into the windshield, and ir lamps+imagers. and bmw also did somethingorother along those lines.
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: loper-os.org
kakobrekla: i always think of that looper movie.
mircea_popescu: bounce how come nothing much came of it ?
mircea_popescu: (ipads aren't particularly innovative eithger, in that strict sense)
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seems to be up ?
kakobrekla: im getting an error page
bounce: don't have details, but could well be a proof of concept thingy, like those concept cars that never go beyond the single prototype made.
mircea_popescu: yah maybe
moiety: i get an error page too kakobrekla
kakobrekla: yeah but for MP it will work even if his net is shut off
kakobrekla: we should use him as a proxy
moiety: lololol
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moiety: the nfs site is down too
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nao it fails for me too
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moiety: i get a security warning now
moiety: they must be mid-fix because the nfs logo works now
Dimsler_: maybe someone is trying to steal your buttcoins?
moiety: i see havelock's homepage is only updated with the 'good' news and the most up-to-date is buried
mircea_popescu: that's how you do pr, according to people who have no qualification, training or experience in the field.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5962028#msg5962028
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
mircea_popescu: which one of you oops i mean which one of me is that ?
kakobrekla: dafuk dat thing is still going
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla dat thing is endless. mtgox will be long forgotten
mircea_popescu: "I am not publicly broadcasting my business plan due to its unique nature meant to take advantage of the market."
lnovy giggles
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93003.0
ozbot: Dank Bank Deposits - dank's soul is claimed - New music Nov 30th
mircea_popescu: pretty epic blast from the past
mircea_popescu: "Hello, everyone, my name is Dank and I'm here to prove my worthiness as an investment. "
mircea_popescu: "By the end of this year, 2012, I believe I will be a highly known guitarist/musician."
mircea_popescu: "This time frame may seem unrealistically short, for I have only started playing electric guitar towards the end of August, but recent realizations have led me to believe this is possible."
mircea_popescu: "Humans have been evolving exponentially for some time now, with advances in technology and communication lessening the time needed for the same amount of change to occur. Logically, following this pattern, there will come a time when more change happens in an hour than has happened in the last millennium. Through meditation, connecting to a higher consciousness within, and communicating these ideas, I've had the epi
mircea_popescu: phany that 2012 is a real event."
mircea_popescu: and i have to stop there.
kakobrekla: nice logo
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did you notice it has a shadow ?
kakobrekla: yep
kakobrekla: its better than cognitive, even if it has less colors
mircea_popescu: but did you know that dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3d?
asciilifeform: '55 minutes ago: After an unplanned maintenance reboot, one of our fileservers did not come back
asciilifeform: online. We have people investigating, and in parallel we are rolling a new
asciilifeform: server with a backup from about an hour before the reboot.'
asciilifeform: (from me hoster)
kakobrekla: O_o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 318 @ 0.006499 = 2.0667 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: lesson no1. never ever reboot the server.
mircea_popescu: servers that are rebooted are not really the same servers anymore.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let the log reflect the new coinage "unplanned maintenance reboot".
mircea_popescu: "shit joe, reboot it see if it works then"
mircea_popescu: the power cycle that's intentional but unexpected.
asciilifeform: this happens every few years at nfs corp. but i really love that hoster
lnovy: you can fix everything with reboot... from stucked mouse to mysql table corruption...
asciilifeform: i don't think it gets any cheaper for low-traffic crap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure it's perfectly fine for hosting a blog etc.
mircea_popescu: but still very amusing.
asciilifeform: that's more or less what people use it for.
asciilifeform: it isn't a rack company - all vm, afaik
asciilifeform: of course, i post so rarely that perhaps 90% of it is not only in 'google cache' but 'archive.org'
mircea_popescu: http://www.27bslash6.com/strata.html
ozbot: The ducks in the bathroom are not mine.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ^
mircea_popescu: tenants from hell.
asciilifeform: http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html
ozbot: I am able to move small objects with my mind.
mircea_popescu: like... penises.
mircea_popescu: "I have read your website and it is obviously that your a foggot."
lnovy: i god, i'm laughting like hell...
mircea_popescu: hey, did i ever tell you folks about the one time i got kicked out of a gay club ?
mircea_popescu: which is also the only time i ever got kicked out of anywhere, club or anything else.
mircea_popescu: i didn't torch the place in revenge, either.
jurov: what did you do there?
mircea_popescu: what one normally does in a club. drank and yelled at people.
mircea_popescu: what do you want me to do, dance ?!
jurov: lol i was not asking that in accusatory manner
tg2: http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/21o422/future_of_scrypt_gpu_and_asic/cgf6o1k
tg2: sneaky knc
tg2: can't say I blame them tho
tg2: I got thrown out of a club once with a $8000 tab
tg2: I just went home
tg2: lol
tg2: chepest night in a club so far
tg2: the promoter called me back for 2 weeks after crying and begging me to come back
mircea_popescu: they're too noobish around here to actualy have promoters.
tg2: montreal has a huge club scene
tg2: probably more clubs per capita than anywhere I know
mircea_popescu: timisoara is roughly speaking a smaller akron, ohio.
tg2: sounds.... exciting
tg2: lol
mircea_popescu: well let's put it this way... in an actual town ever working class cunts can have fun.
mircea_popescu: it takes a real hellhole to really select the funhavers.
tg2: http://www.renting-tm.ro/sites/default/files/media/sliders/c2.jpg
tg2: your women look very slavic
tg2: is romania even considered slavic?
tg2: I know that ukrain, serbia bulgaria are
mircea_popescu: nah.
asciilifeform: Ro has, what, 5+ ethnic groups ?
tg2: (oops, i mean... southeastern russia, lol)
tg2: but, all sides of it are slavic...
mircea_popescu: it's ~85% romanian, some hungarian, trace other dozen or so elements
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how you figure those women look "Slavic"
tg2: only by hungary is it not slavic
tg2: cheek structure
asciilifeform: the gypsies (any left in Ro?) aren't the least bit slavic
tg2: high pointy cheeks
tg2: lol gypsies
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some, yeah. a mil or so.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, "slavic" would be blonde.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll bbl we can continue teh racism then.
tg2: this auroracoin aftermath is luls
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3605 @ 0.00094701 = 3.414 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: servers that are rebooted are not really the same servers anymore << i bet i'm not the only one who wonders why kernel-in-ROM never caught on
asciilifeform: (naturally, rom with physical switch for write-enable)
asciilifeform: one reason might be that pc architecture, almost always by default, 'shadows' roms
asciilifeform: that is, copies them to cacheable RAM on boot
asciilifeform: (executing from rom, esp. the 'serial' 8-legged variety, is dog-slow)
jurov: i bought such mobo with dual bios
jurov: but never actually tried it
jurov: ( gigabyte )
asciilifeform: typically these have a toggle that moves the clock/data line from 1 serial rom to another
asciilifeform: for recovering from botched flashes.
asciilifeform: these used to be popular in the wake of the '90s 'chernoble' virus
asciilifeform: but have mostly disappeared
asciilifeform: any serious pc user should own a rom burner anyway
asciilifeform: chinese units are 20-50 usd
jurov: one usually does it once in 5 years... not sure if it's worth the occupied space
asciilifeform: space?! they're pocket-sized
asciilifeform: or you meant, on the board
jurov: yes i meant... hundred pocket sized gizmos to be used once in 5 yrs + cables = several boxen labeled shit and "more shit"
jurov: it's annoying
truffles: yay shit
asciilifeform: a box with zapped rom is considerably more annoying, imho
asciilifeform: if buying a rom burner, helps to get the kind that takes SOIC-8 socket adapters, for laptop flash
cads: hey has anyone hear if something bad is happening with auroracoin?
truffles: cads into alts hmm
cads: doge for life
cads: about 10 days ago auroracoin put $300 worth of auroracoin up for any icelandic citizen to grab
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: "and I experienced complete awareness", lel
nubbins`: i've read that one in the past
truffles: not possible
cads: since then citizens have had their identities forged, the value of the AUR has dropped like 75% and now people are saying AUR is being hit by a 51% attack
cads: the chaos is kinda awesome but I can't figure what's going on
truffles: get a blackbox ull know it all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00094734 = 19.0415 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: ponzidoge.com... lol
tg2: 8m dogecoin in 15 minutes
cads: Hilarious :)
tg2: shit is killin it
tg2: ltcponzi was $7000 worth of ltc in 45 mins yesterday
tg2: this is the new satoshidice
Mats_cd03: where do i acquire such a chinese made rom burner
tg2: dev said btc is coming soon
cads: haha, awesome
cads: thanks for sharing, tg2, that's delightful
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0568 = 0.3408 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0568 = 0.2272 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: #dogecoin having trouble wrapping their minds around the fact that an OPEN ponzi where everything is visible is not really a ponzi lol
tg2: its just a game
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0449 = 0.2245 BTC [+]
truffles: nerds can be gullible too
tg2: whatever happened ot bitcoinsand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: https://bitcoinsand.com/en
ozbot: Bitcoinsand
tg2: still rolling I guess
tg2: https://blockchain.info/address/1JfvCK3NAaKdQZCmu4vBjGhqAzxYrePsHg
tg2: meh
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1JfvCK3NAaKdQZCmu4vBjGhqAzxYrePsHg
tg2: not enough interest to be a ponzi :D
CheckDavid: tg2: there's a game called bubble
tg2: :D
CheckDavid: Which basically is an explicit ponzi with rules
tg2: IPO are the last ones in :D
lnovy: the whole pc architecture is a big matrix, it looks and behaves pretty much nothing like you see it
lnovy: huh... scrollbuffer lag
lnovy: ignore plz :)
truffles: that game sounds fun
tg2: fk its taking a long time to generate a gpg key with 9 matching characters in it's long ID lol
tg2: Found 3256676 keys so far, running for 104196.6s (Rate:31.3/s)
tg2: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 31FAA963C3333333, key fingerprint BFB291FE6B88A151B3BD2F9C31FAA963C3333333, and bitcoin address None
tg2: 10 characters *
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00094857 = 18.0228 BTC [+] {4}
bounce: asciilifeform: acorn arm boxes had riscos in rom. nice and quick booting, too.
Namworld: Wait.... WAIT. Wait wait wait wait wait... Stripe will allow Bitcoin payments?
Namworld: That adds a good bunch of merchants
Namworld: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2114200/malleability-attacks-not-to-blame-for-mt-goxs-missing-bitcoins-study-says.html
ozbot: 'Malleability' attacks not to blame for Mt. Gox's missing bitcoins, study says | PCWorld
Namworld: Oh really? You don't say...
Namworld: How unsurprising.
lnovy: incomming!
Namworld: If Karpeles finds more Bitcoins and they're all returned I'll make the weirdest face. "He didn't scam, he just lost the keys? Had to try and find doubles in old backups of data? What stupidity is this?"
Namworld: Current odds of getting 100% back: 0.001% or so, odds provided by Ass-Pullouts®
dexX7: hehe.. the wallet they found was allegedly found, because it was in an old format that new bitcoin clients don't recognize
dexX7: or something like that ;)
xdotcomm_: tg2: dats a nice key
xdotcomm_: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'xdotcomm_', with hostmask 'xdotcomm_!~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905977.dsl.bell.ca', is not identified.
xdotcomm_: meh
Namworld: Translation: "My keys!? They no work, what happened!? Oh, I have one here in this old backup. Maybe I can keep looking, maybe I find more keys in these old files."
dexX7: sounds accurate
Namworld: Someone, please do a retro parody of a platformer, called: "Karpeles and the Search for the Seven Private Keys"
Namworld: With coffee powerups, regulators and hacker mobs/bosses and of course collecting keys or fragments of keys.
jurov: Namworld don't forget protesters
jurov: and the end boss shall bear uncanny resemblance to mpoe-pr
jurov: chetty maybe you can make a little development detour?
truffles: a pr person that is total pr nightmare, only on internet