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shinohai: https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/741050151985401856 ☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480305 << Give it a few hours ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 17:09 shinohai: paging BingoBoingo ... he has to write this one.
shinohai: I have a draft of a Wendy's CC hack coverup going on.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell Arathnim https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics?&sort=-downloads&page=2
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480354 << Microscopic cost per month if infrequently used ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 17:45 asciilifeform: prepaid mobiles exist in usa, extortionate cost.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480764 << 0 cost if never used! just like yours and my dirigibles... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 00:15 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480354 << Microscopic cost per month if infrequently used
mircea_popescu: this channel is insufficiently dead omfg.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480640 << so basically this is shannonizing programmer. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 20:43 davout: more like "oh, ruby 1.9 doesn't support this new 2.0 syntax, let's just sed it into sanity"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480652 << ahaha ok this is pretty lulzy. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 20:46 ben_vulpes: i went to upgrade a docker installation and they pulled this gorgeous trick where they actually deny access to repos based on docker client version
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480680 << well done, catching up :) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:05 asciilifeform: my realization is that this kind of thing is EXACTLY same as fiatolade
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/RdU
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480685 << no, this is the problem. a bunch of idiots would have to earn bread different way ; and ben_vulpes would be allowed to do something less idiotic with his time. that's the problem whenever derps get the reins - they drive the ship ashore and someone's stuck fishing it back out. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:07 asciilifeform: davout: see thread. if the mess did not exist, ben_vulpes et al would have to earn bread some other way
mircea_popescu: the problem with this being that it ambiguously mixes two categories. one from outside can't distinguish between the pigs that drove the ship into mud and the poor souls trying to push it back out. they're all ~ equally covered in the same shit.
mircea_popescu: and this is systematically the problem of the fucking state. by inventing "god's marriage" it fucks up the natural social hierarchy ; where some get all and most get none. and by inventing "bureaucracy" idem. keep reducing "inequality" which is to say - those who deserve to starve and those who deserve to puke - all get the same three peas ; those who deserve to bathe and those who deserve to burn - all in the lukewarm pit.
mircea_popescu: a "brilliant fucking idea" for everyone except everyone that matters. hence democracy.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << i never considered ruby/django/bullshit for trilema. neither did ANYONE who ever made a tmsr website, unless i'm missremembering. it's just not useful - if it were, i guess we'd be using it. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:10 davout: ben_vulpes: as much as rails is in many ways retarded i tend to think that if this were true, folks would write websites in straight c
asciilifeform was unable - in spite of considerable effort - to run 'hello world' example in 'rails'.
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform called upon a full-time master of subj, on retainer, who was unable to usefully comment.
asciilifeform: thing is cursed by ze godz.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480696 << word. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:14 davout: your point is basically that the fireman could have a tendency to pyromania?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480698 << also word. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:15 asciilifeform: have, in fact, invented a means of 'putting out' fire that simply moves it, 10x amplified, to another spot.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly how it fucking works. "fixed" by moving, but accentuated. "win-win".
mircea_popescu: medicine works a lot like this, in principle but with smaller parameters. law works precisely the same way.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480717 << you're young yet. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:31 davout: the point is that wtf do i need golden toilet for, i shit just as fine on a regular one!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480720 << well, various webscum will derp about how "website doesn't look correct". will lose you all the business of $5 bucks, they fuck themselves manually. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:33 davout: if what i want is sell dildos online, and $framework runs on 15$/month box, wtf do i need a website that could run on a ti-89 for x10000 the price?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480758 << amusingly, iirc that shoe is actually mentioned in this very log, and ~nowhere else on the "entire" www. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 00:05 shinohai: https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/741050151985401856
shinohai: I remembered it being mentioned somewhere but have yet to find the ref
mircea_popescu: might have been in the older-than-btcbase logs.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480202 << ac isn't 'mission critical'. if it goes down for 15 minutes or even 5 hours, you might be a little sweaty and grumpy, but your hard drives aren't so flexible, especially if they get caught mid-write with their pants down (but ianae) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 16:37 mircea_popescu: yeah but you want the bridge to be wide enough. 1kw is not practically useful - inductive charge for an average ac unit for instance easily beats 5kw
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480213 << i lolled ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 16:40 ben_vulpes: davout: triggered
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480214 << now ~that's~ the business. will defo be looking into these at next place (2017 sometime) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 16:40 mircea_popescu: http://www.steadypower.com/products.php?product=Gillette-SPS%252d120-Home-Standby-Generator-%2812kW%29 << ftr, very reasonable 12kw units available. 4k what's that, half a weekend trip.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480284 << hulked. (or was it thieled?) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 17:05 shinohai: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/10/gawker-media-files-for-ch-11-bankruptcy-protection.html <<< bwhahaha Gawker filers for Bankruptcy
pete_dushenski: aha ben had it
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480374 << seems like a lot of busywork to circumvent own rule, which i suppose only goes to show that http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480384 is the controlling point. head would never do this to self, ergo no head. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 18:02 mircea_popescu: it's dogvomit, not a vole. it has no head.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 17:58 asciilifeform: be transmitted over a U.S. border, then legally the NSA/CIA/SCS will claim that it then falls into an international transmission and that they are justified in performing an intercept, even though it is a domestic call, but because it was shot out of the United States over an international loopback. Another wrinkle is because this loopback to the UK, the British government will also intercept it at the loopba
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 1 set of rules for public/low-cleared grunts, another - for eloi. elementary.
pete_dushenski: this is meta-nsa argument
asciilifeform: meta-nsa ~exists~. even has own www site... see l0gz.
pete_dushenski: ie. 'rsa pill really exists, just you wait until they drop bomb'
pete_dushenski: $google trilema meta-nsa
deedbot: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documents << NSA stores metadata of millions of web users for up to a year, secret ... | http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2016-statement/ << No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by ... | http://www.wired.com/2013/06/phew-it-was-just-metadata-not-think-again/ << Phew, NSA Is Just Collecting Metadata. (You Should Still Worry ...
asciilifeform: pissing on law is a pretty elementary superpower.
pete_dushenski: well that search was useless
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but then why use superpower so inefficiently ? it's like 'i have x-ray vision, but only when i look at this angled mirror at you'
pete_dushenski: why not just look directly at specimen ?
mod6: pete_dushenski: Gordie Howe died :/
asciilifeform: because you want to maintain the pretense of 'rule of law' ?
pete_dushenski: mod6: eh no way
asciilifeform: mod6: who was that
mod6: Yeah, he was 88.
mod6: asciilifeform: legendary Canadian hockey player.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but that begs the question : why is this loop-di-loop necessary to maintain the pretense ?
pete_dushenski: and does it even maintain the pretense ?
pete_dushenski: hartford walers star iirc
pete_dushenski: back when that team was even a thing
mod6: Red Wings
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: considering that the whole ministry hasn't been closed down and personnel - jailed as members of a criminal org - i'd say the pretense is maintained.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski suppose you wanna fuck during those 5 hours!
mod6: He did spend 1 year with the Whalers
pete_dushenski: mod6: last year too. i think i mighta had that card, which is why it rang that memory's bell
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: or go for a 10km walk for ice cream!
mircea_popescu: kr
mircea_popescu: or* call girl's bestie "hey you got power ? ok if we come over to fuck at your place ?"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not exactly...
pete_dushenski: inmates in asylum also maintain pretense of sanity ?
pete_dushenski: because everyone else on the outside is pointing and laughing
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: if i was at that life stage (yes, it's coming!) then i will have one garage for five cars and another of ~equal size~ for back-up power ☟︎
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: asylum with infinite funding and heavy weapons.
pete_dushenski: weapons too heavy to lift and paper of such poor quality even the knock-off artists on the other side of the pacific don't want it
pete_dushenski: nice story, but just a story
asciilifeform: and them packetz diddle themselves aha lol.
pete_dushenski: maybe i'm thick but how is packet diddling 'heavy weapons' ?
pete_dushenski: unless i'm mistaken, this is within alf's modest ability, and he is not statal superpower
asciilifeform: at every fiber landfall?
pete_dushenski: any, not every
asciilifeform: or any
asciilifeform: i can't speak for pete_dushenski , but i don't have a diddler staff hut at even one...
mircea_popescu: soon enough, once we complete the uti.
mircea_popescu: am i the only one that's very amused by this joke ? guess so huh.
mod6: lol
mod6: thats 2x, gotta be careful or it'll stick :D
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you also don't have to dispense shitty cheese to a bunch of deeply retarded, profoundly useless, schmucks with pretensions.
mircea_popescu: you're acting as if they're doing that, or any other thing, for fucking fun. it's not for fun. they're doing that, like everything else, for the same reason : they perceive they gotta do something ; dunno how to do anything useful or effectual and so this is what's left.
mircea_popescu: the optionality of the state is just about zero.
mircea_popescu: throughout. no exceptions. no meta-bullshit. from petraeus to the last grunt, zero, nada. nothing.
pete_dushenski has seen this utter dearth of optionality with own eyes, from inside. 'no fun' doesn't begin to describe it.
pete_dushenski: the mere suggestion that the state can ~do~ things that private individuals can is misleading and farcical.
pete_dushenski: 'golden toilet' is only a thing because state can't even make basic toilet. it doesn't ~want~ toilet made of precious metals, it just can't find its way to a more efficient solution.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480782 << what is a "website" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 01:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << i never considered ruby/django/bullshit for trilema. neither did ANYONE who ever made a tmsr website, unless i'm missremembering. it's just not useful - if it were, i guess we'd be using it.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << /me squints and points at the funny frenchman ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:10 davout: ben_vulpes: as much as rails is in many ways retarded i tend to think that if this were true, folks would write websites in straight c
ben_vulpes: i'm a peripherial acquaintance with another cult that occasionally writes, say, templating languages in c. for use from c.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480694 << another take on this: the only constraint on complexity is design and discipline. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:12 asciilifeform: davout: my observation was that there is ~0 incentive to make wwwtronic systems lighter/more consistent/more apprehendable/less broken.
ben_vulpes: complexity in software, that is
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: noshit.jpg
ben_vulpes: man the 'not quite emacs' keybindings in weechat are killing me
asciilifeform: my observation was that there is STRONG anti-incentive.
ben_vulpes: yeah but more like diesel engine and less like mortgage origination
ben_vulpes: americans think /healthcare/ is going to bury them in costs. they have no idea what the maintenance cost of the past 2 decades is going to be. what a burden poorly written software is on a business.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ~nobody sees it as 'maintenance costs', but as 'job program.'
ben_vulpes: the windows shop approach is not at all bad from a resourcing perspective. 'software is complicated and sucks and we need a budget for maintaining ours. may as well just pick technologies we can staff for 60k/yr/butt and allocate integer butts.'
asciilifeform: great until MOTHERFUCKER WON'T BUILD NO MATTER WHAT
asciilifeform: because some dickless wonder 'patched'
ben_vulpes: oh i am waiting for the great implosion of unwrangleable complexity
asciilifeform: meanwhile,
asciilifeform: 'All existing phones in the holding cells were replaced mid year. The previous telephones were equipped with a hand-set which created a number of issues. Our primary objective was to allow prisoners telephone access while minimizing risk to staff and prisoners. On many occasions prisoners would forcibly remove the cord and handset from the telephone housing. The newly installed telephones have no cord or handset which, in turn, mini
asciilifeform: mizes security, injury risk and maintenance costs.'
ben_vulpes: if it leaves me eating dust and my children picking pockets i will go to the street gladly having seen it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes like wotpaste.
ben_vulpes: no actually.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes also, the problem with healthcare isn't the cost per se. it's that it distinguishes between people. they have a serious problem with any sort of "reality comes home" situation where difference between people may be forced from outside.
mircea_popescu: cost is just a proxy for this. they don't perceive the same capacity from "it", mostly because htey're imbeciles and will perceive my cock when it's sliding in and no sooner. which is why they talk of that not this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elaborate ?
mircea_popescu: on which part ?
asciilifeform: which difference between people
ben_vulpes: that some can afford to live and some mustest die
mircea_popescu: we both fuck the same sick girl. i don't care and you die of a brain abscess.
asciilifeform: so? routine.
asciilifeform: sorta how death worx
mircea_popescu: this is like some people buying cars that take them places and some other people buying cars that take them to the morgue
asciilifeform: aha. and this also is sop
mircea_popescu: "the people" are up in arms about this. not permissibru.
asciilifeform: recall, the car and nothing else caps the mtbf of usaschwitz inmate at something like 200 yrs
ben_vulpes: point i was seeking to make is that as much as usians like to bitch about cost of health insurance and what it doesn't cover, they have no idea what pain is lurking in the near future
mircea_popescu: what future.
ben_vulpes: who knows how many knight capitals are waiting.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'Colt Health and Life Insurance Co.'
asciilifeform subscriber
ben_vulpes not discussing asciilifeforms
asciilifeform: afaik it takes everyone.
asciilifeform: (unless you are an elephant, and may need larger calibre)
ben_vulpes: now i need a sophistry gas mask
mircea_popescu: alf's favourite approach is to discuss something vaguely related :D
mircea_popescu: but in a lot of detail! makes up for distance through depth!
ben_vulpes: anyways there's a whole infection to deploy between today and a world of impoverished fiatcorps.
ben_vulpes: path there will be bumpy for folks. in the above and other ways.
mircea_popescu: if history's any guide, fiatcorps could forever buy russia. at any rate the byzantines could buy asia. according to them at any rate.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the great uszimbabwe,
asciilifeform: 'A local apartment com-munity had become a problem with unsecured vacant units, garbage, graffiti, attractive nuisances, and blight. The owner also routinely rented condemned units that had no power (cord was run from other units). Neighboring owners complained of rodents coming from the unattended landscaping and units. Squatters were found in units by the police department. Owner was cited...'
mircea_popescu: "attractive nuisances" ? ie, non-boring party ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: derps.
mircea_popescu: apparently, it's "anything that may attract a child", and outright a defense in tresspass!
mircea_popescu: that country is fucking nuts.
asciilifeform: recall the famous band-saw case.
mircea_popescu: "unenclosed pools, machinery or stacks of building materials" that present "an irresistible lure" omfg what the everloving fuck.
mircea_popescu: if your kid goes on my property YOU PAY ME! not the fucking other way around omfg!
mircea_popescu: and this is all post 1990, too. fucking place went to shit with moscow in tandem.
mircea_popescu: scandalous.
asciilifeform: hey, they even had, e.g., http://overlawyered.com/2006/09/the-burglar-and-the-skylight-another-debunking-that-isnt
asciilifeform: ^ the infamous skylight case
mircea_popescu: http://wyomcases.courts.state.wy.us/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=123304 << state agencies, of course, are immune by law.
asciilifeform: not only,
asciilifeform: but in - afaik - all of usa, folks who 'cause' the death of policeman by, say, running away and then he crashed his cruiser, are tried for murder.
mircea_popescu: policeman is a shitstain best shot on sight.
mircea_popescu: this magical item that can charge your credit card to the max, has no duty to protect you (you have a duty to protect him). no fucking wonder every prole aspires to police himself.
ben_vulpes: amen
ben_vulpes: "might be interesting to look at" as a legal problem cracked me up when i first learned of it
ben_vulpes: what halfway curious kid hasn't climed all over an excavator
mircea_popescu: i famously ~stole~ a 200hp excavator as a 6 yo.
mircea_popescu: people collectively lost it and deposed me within 3 minutes, but hey!
mircea_popescu: nobody expected 6yo could figure out how to run the thing.
ben_vulpes: figure out? were controls marvelously different from controls of other motorized things?
ben_vulpes: or 'excavator' -- with treads and arm and bucket?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480803 << AC is mission critical for the health of your hard drives ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 02:16 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480202 << ac isn't 'mission critical'. if it goes down for 15 minutes or even 5 hours, you might be a little sweaty and grumpy, but your hard drives aren't so flexible, especially if they get caught mid-write with their pants down (but ianae)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dunno about yours, mine are ok to 75c or so
asciilifeform: (fuck spinning rust) ☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480807 << If your generator doesn't have wheels will likely need Electrician to wire/pull permits. Such things can actually be had from big box stores like the Orange Depot ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 02:17 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480214 << now ~that's~ the business. will defo be looking into these at next place (2017 sometime)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why do you dislike the plates so much?
asciilifeform: noisy and slow.
asciilifeform: do i need moar reasons ?
asciilifeform: noisy == 'i can hear it'
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: np. i have several on speed dial.
ben_vulpes: sure, but ssd sits, rots.
asciilifeform: everything rots.
asciilifeform: hence raid.
ben_vulpes: where hdd...rots slower?
asciilifeform: and cold spares.
asciilifeform: i tread spinning rust as i once treated tape
asciilifeform: backup, to keep in safe.
ben_vulpes: storage is a consumable and you...mk.
asciilifeform: *treat
asciilifeform: and fuck seek times measured in ms vs ns.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480847 << Garage for your FeNi battery bank right? Generator lives outside or in purpose built enclosure (also outside) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 02:30 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: if i was at that life stage (yes, it's coming!) then i will have one garage for five cars and another of ~equal size~ for back-up power
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> apparently, it's "anything that may attract a child", and outright a defense in tresspass! << Swimming pool is canonical "attractive nuissance"
asciilifeform: apparently, there is nothing more attractive than ~empty~ swimming pool, if you ask american jurists.
asciilifeform: (because, i suppose, they were also retarded children??)
BingoBoingo: yes
deedbot: [Qntra] T Ascendant! - http://qntra.net/2016/06/t-ascendant/
BingoBoingo: mod6: congrat!
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jurov Sorry for the ambiguity. I mean you could help mod6 with the disposition of his shares.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: ah cool! Thanks BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: mod6: In the future <p> tags are superfluous and what is this thing where you insert superfluous line breaks?
BingoBoingo: But seriously great submission
mod6: oh, alright. i was just looking at some others that had paragraph tags in there. wasn't sure.
mod6: thx though. tried to just keep it short/sweet.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Machine ads <p>
BingoBoingo: But machine does not mechanically un-80 column text
deedbot: [Qntra] uTorrent Forum Hacked - http://qntra.net/2016/06/utorrent-forum-hacked/
mod6: oh, i typically wrap at 80 by hand.
mod6: also, i think it may read a bit better if "proposed" becomes "proposals"
mod6: sorry, i must have overlooked that
BingoBoingo: happens
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
mod6: im sortof overly paraniod about 80 col wraps. if i set a command in vim to do it for me, i feel like its not always consistant.
mod6: *shrug*
mod6: yup thanks for updating
BingoBoingo: But yes, 80 col wrap is out of spec for qntra's actually adaptive layout.
mod6: ok so for future ref just set no wrap and it should be fine then?
BingoBoingo: yeah
mod6: werd
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The golden toilet that had to be. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/10/the-golden-toilet-that-had-to-be/
deedbot: [Qntra] Gawker Media Files Bankruptcy Papers And Goes On Auction Block - http://qntra.net/2016/06/gawker-media-files-bankruptcy-papers-and-goes-on-auction-block/
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market a;;
gribble: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all'
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 582.52, vol: 3892.67282640 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.498, vol: 3811.89564 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 584.6, vol: 20963.73387544 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 589.45272, vol: 31434.93000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 584.0, vol: 1325.19747169 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 583.13046, vol: 22.79804329 | Volume-weighted last average: 585.938303435
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 415774 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 1537 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 12 hours, 39 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/email-address-disclosures-preliminary-report-june-11-2016/16867 <<< Let's encrypt, learn basic sekoority protocol later.
mircea_popescu: lolwut!
mircea_popescu: mod6 so here's a q : suppose a ticket gets allocated to a name. how does tbot know this ? suppose the name completes the ticket. how's tbot know ?
mircea_popescu: seems we need two more items right ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai let me guess, phantomcircuit works for them ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480951 << o, you hate proper hdds now ? when did that conversion happen ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 04:12 asciilifeform: (fuck spinning rust)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480969 << he can just vent it, like anything else. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 04:17 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480847 << Garage for your FeNi battery bank right? Generator lives outside or in purpose built enclosure (also outside)
mod6: mircea_popescu: so during development, i decided not to allow assignment for tickets; i wanted to encourage all to look at tickets and possibly propose solutions or changes to even patches submitted (denoted in the notes section??)
mod6: irl, it seems like if a guy isn't assigned a ticket, he rarely looks at it.
mod6: err, meaning, if it is assigned to a person already.
mircea_popescu: ok but how do you track progress ? "this is done" "oh yeah ? when ? by whom ?"
mod6: and the idea of "done" can be a different field.
mircea_popescu: well, other than that assignment can be informal.
shinohai: gg on Qntra mod6
mod6: but i was thinking that it would either be removed from the tree, OR, would simply just have something edited in the subject. like "DONE: Blah Blah ticket for something"
mircea_popescu: removed from tree is no good because we lose information this way.
mod6: the latter for traceability
mod6: yeah, i like the idea of just editing the ticket to "DONE"
mircea_popescu: also important, suppose i want to split up a ticket later. what should i do, delete and re-enter ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 should be done BY X. so i know who to chase.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1481012 << when the nice kind fell in price enough and i got a crate ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 14:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480951 << o, you hate proper hdds now ? when did that conversion happen ?
mircea_popescu: heh mkay.
mircea_popescu: fuck ssds.
asciilifeform: i have 4 x 1t in this particular box, for instance (hardware raid)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu likes massive stacks of cheapo mechanicals ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> also important, suppose i want to split up a ticket later. what should i do, delete and re-enter ? << so saythat UCI ticket 7 needs to become two seperate tickets and the original didn't capture what it was supposed to capture; i would just make a new ticket, and then edit the existing one to reform what would be or seem correct.
mircea_popescu: oh i can edit them can't i. yeah ok that should work.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 should be done BY X. so i know who to chase. << I think if someone wants to put their name on a ticket, ... ok, and they can put a completion date in there.
mod6: we all know how that usually goes.
mircea_popescu: how ?
mod6: in scrum people estimate tickets not based on time, but how "large" they think a story is or might be. and they use fib numbers for this -- typically: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20
mod6: and anything over a 20 should be certainly broken down into smaller chunks if possible.
mod6: oh, how? people often miss deadlines, especially developers. im just as guilty as anyone.
mircea_popescu: ah, but i wasn't talking about deadlines.
mircea_popescu: i'm only importing the sane parts of management.
mod6: :]
asciilifeform takes off hat
mod6: ok sounds good. thought maybe you were thinking about adding a date field. and btw, any of these things can really be added without too much trouble at all if we really find a dire need for them in the future.
mod6: these separate fields can help with sorting and reporting and all that... especially.
mircea_popescu: the point is, if something should be found not to work properly, gotta know who to chase to fix it and more importantly, who to scrutinize in the future. which system allows us to not even bother with quality control - check your shit, and god help you if downstream keeps having to complain.
mod6: but we're not there yet anyway.
mod6: ah
mircea_popescu: of course alf doesn't count as downstream, he complains anyway.
mod6: ok. so what I was thinking, at least for the quick/dirty method was that lord of a project would update tickets with peoples' submitted vpatches linked either from the ML or if/when accepted. doesn't only relate to TRB obv.
mircea_popescu: there is one problem where any ticket's notes must be shorter than cannonical irc line - trims.
mircea_popescu: i ran into it yest.
mod6: (like in the notes section and that would give some traceability to who is doing what and who can get blame)
mod6: oh really?
mircea_popescu: lemme fish it out
mod6: hrm. i'll have to see what I can do about that -- not sure if i can make it longer than a canonical irc line, but it should be at least that long
mod6: shinohai: thanks!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479664 and following ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 23:02 mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI supervisor" "Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities (in satoshi/Gb/second of storage for instance) and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accept
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point being, there's a short space in the notes for ticket ; can't add too much in there, so it prolly can't be "update tickets with vpatches"
mircea_popescu: oops. i mean mod6
mod6: ah. ok..
mod6: yeah looks like it didn't get added
mod6: and that may be because it didn't see the closing "
mircea_popescu: well yeah.
mod6: and that is a fair point
mircea_popescu: and it can't see it if linebroken
mod6: ok, yeah, on the cli version you kind of have tons of space because IRC line isn't a thing.
mircea_popescu: now obviously, we could change it to take dpaste input ? the only snag is, i dunno we want LONG tickets anyway.
mircea_popescu: if it has to be that long why not break it up.
mod6: Right.
mod6: Ok, very solid points here.
mircea_popescu: so this point can be left for later i guess.
mod6: hey, sorry to interrupt this. but one of my buddies is buying a house downthe road, and i gotta to view it here in like 2 minutes. but i'll be back all day after that.
mircea_popescu: no rush
mod6: ok. i'll think on this, there's something we can do, im sure.
mod6: thanks for checking it out and letting me know.
mod6: :]
asciilifeform: this gadget sounds very promising imho.
mircea_popescu: ye!
mircea_popescu: " Assests are officially estimated to be in the 5o million to 100 million United States dollar range while liabilities are estimated to be in the 100 to 500 million United States dollar range" <<< ahahahaha. right, so they got ~3mn worth of crap and 600mn worth of cc debt.
mircea_popescu: 0.5% efficiency engine.
mircea_popescu: could totally buy russia.
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is, who's going to take out ~600mn worth of shit these idiots stuck in the head of ignorant imbecile sub-canadians for the past decade ?
mircea_popescu: they know how to bitch about "nuclear reactors" so that the costs to decomission one far, far exceed the cost to build one. well, what about "feminism", human rights and democracy ? MUCH much more toxic than radionuclides.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is going to pay the 20 to 50 bn needed to decomission this radioactive waste plant that cost 600mn to build ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1481089 << same martians who will fix ruby ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 14:36 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is going to pay the 20 to 50 bn needed to decomission this radioactive waste plant that cost 600mn to build ?
asciilifeform: hunchback - straightens in the grave.
shinohai: Well guise 21dotco is already the future - 20 satoshi to read temperature: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4njys7/21_an_open_source_library_for_the_machinepayable/d44kqsy
shinohai: Or about the amount you'd make mining with one for 3 days
mircea_popescu: heh those derps srsly.
mircea_popescu: then they're going to file for bankruptcy and a well.
mircea_popescu: thanks god for pension funds.
shinohai: I got Pierre Rochard triggered on twitter as we speak because I dared to call it a scam more or less.
mircea_popescu: what's he care ☟︎
deedbot: [Trilema] Gawker Media Group (GMG) vs Arbeitsgemeinschaft Versuchsreaktor (AVR) - http://trilema.com/2016/gawker-media-group-gmg-vs-arbeitsgemeinschaft-versuchsreaktor-avr/
mircea_popescu: ^ which article incidentally suggests to me a whole large scale recuperation project, much in the way "nigger" used to mean black person but now simply means government leech.
mircea_popescu: specifically "ecology" has historically been a tool of socialists deployed to hinder capitalism, on the flimsy basis of "look how economic activity renders the substrate unfit for later, undefined economic activity".
mircea_popescu: exactly in the same vein, ecology should cease to mean "the activity of capitalists ruining the earth", and instead properly mean the activity of socialists ruining humanity.
mircea_popescu: this process whereby they spread their poison, getting idiots to believe the sort of stupid shit they sprout is the true ecological damage.
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather take a new york or san francisco that had a nuke blown overhead ; than the exact same new york or san francisco that had socialist propaganda blown overhead. the former's much easier to clean up than the latter.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1142166369676864495293047 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Dominik Rapp <dominikrapp@zoho.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E
asciilifeform: ^ eh, mirrorlade
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/gawker-media-group-gmg-vs-arbeitsgemeinschaft-versuchsreaktor-avr/#comment-117494
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 'It has been well established that OOM error occurs from bastards not being freed from memory.' << not accurate. bastard tx don't enter the mempool in trb. it is mempool tx that never deallocate...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;calc gribble 10 * 6 * 24
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
mod6: ah, ok
mod6: %e trb 3 I "Further investigate a solution for mem leak/fragmentation" "An OOM error occurs from mempool tx's that are never deallocated. A well defined and researched plan need to emerge from this investigation."
mod6: %p trb 3
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 3, Type: I, Subject: Further investigate a solution for mem leak/fragmentation, Antecedents: , Notes: An OOM error occurs from mempool tx's that are never deallocated. A well defined and researched plan need to emerge from this investigation.
mod6: Does that seem more accurate asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: mod6: aha
asciilifeform: oughta somehow incorporate mine and jurov's mega-experiments in the record
asciilifeform: (i am presently not sure how 't' is meant to interact with existing record)
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo i randomly encountered http://www.donrearic.com/lotechhitech.html and thought of you
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, agreed. have been thinking about how to incorporate all of the findings thus far.
mod6: all you can do at this point is just drop a link into the notes section, but it needs to scale more than that. thinking about it...
mod6: when i come up with a scheme i'll mention it in here.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol linked http://alliancemartialarts.com/spyderco.html
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mountain of entertaining 1990s stuff of varying quality, on linked site.
asciilifeform: e.g., http://www.donrearic.com/urbsurvprimer1.html
mircea_popescu: in other news i've decided that if i ever get a cat i'ma name it ophelia
mircea_popescu: that way if anyone asks me what the cat's name is i'ma say "it's cat ophelia."
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform went to flea markets, came back with dental drill
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know what happened to the guy who forgot to pay his exorcist bill ?
hanbot: asciilifeform but how do you get the fleas to keep their mouths open?
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, he got re-possesed?
mircea_popescu: win!
mircea_popescu: lol hanbot you ever seen the scary fucking teeth they have btw ?
hanbot: nah, that's in the horrors we shan't investigate that we may sleep soundly sorta category
mircea_popescu: looks ~like chulhu
hanbot: nanothulhu?
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's how the original drawings were inspired actually.
mircea_popescu: the similarity is striking in any case.
shinohai: To be fair, they did play a role in wiping out ~60% of Europe's population at one point.
mircea_popescu: true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly should just migrate it to t.
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
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