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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2960 @ 0.00019003 = 0.5625 BTC [-] {4}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6058 @ 0.00019 = 1.151 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00084776 = 1.6107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 607 @ 0.00084806 = 0.5148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00085276 = 3.7095 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: So... I think math is broke. Apparently the public key for one of my addresses can hash into a different addresss.
nanotube: mircea_popescu> im just here to collect the praise. admonitions go to asciilifeform :D <- in that case... good idea, that cardano thing! :)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. I'm working on a report. The report will probably be in the form of a post titled "Fuckity Fuck Fuck" as I GPG sign a revocation of a certain address's message signing privileges.
pankkake: BingoBoingo: it's actually very common for gpg (the short pub key)
pankkake: that's why people should give the full fingerprint
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo: Bitcoin addresses are hashed public keys, right? The private key that corresponds to that public key actually has two public keys. A compressed version and a noncompressed version.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: This isn't GPG. It is RIPEMD 160 being able to assign a public key two (maybe more) bitcoin addresses.
BingoBoingo: Fucking NSA bullshit undermining the Integrity of Mathematics.
Jere_Jones: I imagined it to be exceedingly rare though.
mircea_popescu: multiple privates might hash to the same one address, but that's insanely rare.
mircea_popescu: the same private having ambiguous results however is impossible.
mircea_popescu: the first would be a collision. the second would be a case of 4+5 being sometimes 8, sometimes 9
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo, are you saying the same 256 bit public key ran through RIPEMD160 gave you two different answers?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones It is just a standard Bitcoin address's underlying public key. mircea_popescu I'm not sure what to think anymoar. I will say fuck vanitygen.
mircea_popescu: they're shit. i could never get them to make usable addresses.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The key wasn't generated on a web based service, but a web based service turned the public key into an unexpected address.
Jere_Jones: If you have the private key, turn that into the other public key and see if that gives you the address you're looking for.
BingoBoingo: 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY apparently is an imposter for my beloved 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 address in the message signed on my contacts and credentials page. I'm trying more messages at the moment, but it looks like GPG is going to have to save the day.
Jere_Jones: I can help you but you need the private key.
BingoBoingo: Maybe I should go to #bitcoin-dev or wherever the muppets live and troll them up a bit with this.
mircea_popescu: use a proper process to turn privkey into pubkey then hash that and see what you get.
dexX7: mind to give out some samples like messages + signatures for both addresses?
BingoBoingo: The problem is that 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY could have signed the same message. Maybe it could have signed a more malicious message. Fuck. Just because elliptic curves are sexy doesn't mean they should be used everywhere.
mircea_popescu: i bet you 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY could not have signed the same message.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe. Maybe it is just some odd intersection and I need to go back to adding giberish at the end of everything I sign.
Jere_Jones: I'm not showing that message verigying with 1LvCunts
mircea_popescu: might be because of how javascript runs on some systems
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: At the most charitable where there isn't a collision it ought probably assumed at a minimum Bitcoin address signing merely sucks and is poorly implemented. If you are the sort who goes for minimums.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe. You'd think they could at least verify things right.
dexX7: 1HF8us88HGVh7gYEJpjxXS79AW2vDyZiAp
dexX7: is the address that is resolved for this msg/signature
BingoBoingo: Maybe the problem isn't the signature or the message. Maybe Bitcoin Address signing is just fucked.
dexX7: the other two are invalid
mircea_popescu: listen, use a witness signature implementation and check.
dexX7: verified with stock btc client + some php lib that i'm using to resolve (msg, sig) -> addr
dexX7: but it actually should work with "1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4"?
Jere_Jones: Yep. bitcoin-qt verified it with that address.
mircea_popescu: anyone willing to make 1k keys, sign 1k messages and see if the signed messages actually resolve to the proper keys ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Probably they have a bug, in the least bad imagining of things.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo are you sure you didn't sign with that other address tghrough some process involving for instance vodka ?
[\]: Are you sure you even signed it and didn't copy the sig from someone else?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Rather sure. I don't have a key for that other address in any of my wallets. The pages on the blog were some of the few things I remember making sober.
mircea_popescu: apparently sober is bad luck for you. anyway, this warrants some testing.
[\]: address signing isn't a replacement for gpg signing
mircea_popescu: no, but if address signing works so you sign with one address and it verifyes with another i'd like to know
mircea_popescu: because there's enough lols in there to keep us going through a day or two even
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.0008514 = 1.3622 BTC [-]
[\]: has AM listed on MPEX yet?
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is not identified.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I finally made a nickserve account
mircea_popescu: i just got pointed out to me that 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAv >>MPEx<< cwHTP8aPYPMyY
Jere_Jones: I wonder if Havelock is being DDOS'd or if they just can't handle the load of being the stock exchange that receives the most traffic.
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user BingoBoingo, with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones not that much trading for all that traffic.
BingoBoingo: It's kind of funny I registered with gribble months ago, yet on I only registered with nickserv last week.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu asciilifeform: Is there a rough estimate on how the Cardano will be priced?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm a bit curious because the Cardono seems like something a person would purchase a few of.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One for each girl. One for each dude providing muscle. The possibilities are endless. General Patraeus would have had a career if only he could have given his side bitch a Cardano.
BingoBoingo: I imagine a Cardano gift set with lacey panties and a digital camera and a second gift set with a Cardano and a blackjack.
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo: It appears that the people with the expertise you need aren't paying attention in #bitcoin-dev. I'd try back in 12 hours.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Honestly it doesn't seem like a matter where I need their expertise so much as they need my accident. I mean if they know how this IRC thing works they will know to scroll up.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: If they don't know to scroll up or check logs why are they on the internet and not Facebook.
Jere_Jones: They will, honestly, need more details. A bug report without replication steps is fairly useless.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Well I'm not offering the private key until at least the last BitBet associated with that address resolves. Maybe some elliptic surves intersected at the point of that message. Maybe it is something worse. It is honestly more their problem than mine though I will be happy to offer them information short of the private key. The replication steps are surprisingly short and I imagine unhelpful.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course not, unless someone was paying out more for it than the outstanding BitBet Bets paying to the derived address.
mircea_popescu: you could do this as a succession of screenshots. here i sign X with address Y
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, just for shits and giggles I will hope it isn't some PRNG problem.
dexX7: 1. ’ is the source 2. ’ != ´ 3. strlen("’") = 3 x_X 4. it creates a not matching signature every time, if you use ’ + more than 250 other chars
mircea_popescu: if using particular characters such as ´, the signing goes bonkers creating signatures that go with random addresses instead of the correct address ?
dexX7: only if you add >= 250 other chars
BingoBoingo: Fuck this is why Bitcoin needs a mother fucking Spec.
dexX7: i tested it by shortening the message and replacing the chars with others
BingoBoingo: dexX7: Still, there is no reason why Bitcoin address signed messages can't have a container like GPG signatures do. It would be so much easier to demonstrate this is broken or solid if only there were a standard container for signed messages.
dexX7: like ----BEGIN ...?
BingoBoingo: dexX7: I don't know if that is sarcasm, but yes. That is actually incredibly useful to have.
dexX7: i see. yes, it is.
BingoBoingo: dexX7: For better or worse the GPG armored format lets idiots import keys and signatures. I contrast the bitcoin address format has not container and simply solicits information. Apparently that information can often be wrong.
mircea_popescu: i don't even dare imagine what'd have happened should anyone have taken garzik's alternative exchange seriously and puit money/effort into that
mircea_popescu: dexX7 nope, i don't have software that does the signature stuff.
dexX7: no standard btc client?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've also started and aborted a tor study.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm authed on gribble /msg me and I will offer some things on a more disposable venue
gribble: You are identified as user imsaguy, with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
[\]: now someone send some dust to that address ^
[\]: I gotta try something out
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 153 @ 0.00970521 = 1.4849 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.965454 = 5.7927 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 193 @ 0.001183 = 0.2283 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1413 @ 0.00084932 = 1.2001 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Also, GANGBANGRipeMD.py found a sixth address that could have created that signature for the message.
dexX7: how did you write the message anywaay?
BingoBoingo: dexX7: I just signed it in Multibit. Some rando on CoinChat pointed out Brainwallet attributes the signature to another address.
dexX7: no, i mean.. from where is the text you signed?
dexX7: my keyboard produces a different ´ than the one you used
BingoBoingo: dexX7: I use the retard 'Murican version of a keyboard.
dexX7: any special editor like word or so?
gribble: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: So. I thought about pricing GANGBANGRipeMD.py but I'm going to hold off.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 141 @ 0.00118047 = 0.1664 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.95294443 = 15.2471 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 850 @ 0.00084932 = 0.7219 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.009015 = 0.4508 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5090 @ 0.00085207 = 4.337 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 121 @ 0.00230001 = 0.2783 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0023 = 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 469 @ 0.00210136 = 0.9855 BTC [-] {5}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.09055501 = 0.3622 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: After taking a walk and reflecting I have updated my posts on the Bitcoin Address signed message deal. Whole venture seems less than useless the more I read about the problems.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.09011001 = 0.1802 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153 @ 0.00085477 = 0.1308 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00085477 = 4.1029 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00084861 = 4.0309 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: 189281249.28103 | Next Diff in 1176 blocks | Estimated Change: 21.0500% in 6d 10h 42m 28s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00085477 = 2.0087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3012 @ 0.00084704 = 2.5513 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so what happens when diff overflows longint on 32bit platforms ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: isn't it float?
mircea_popescu: i dunno if its implemented as two ints or a float or what
jurov: yes, maybe something can overflow in process of converting it from past hashrate
mircea_popescu: if its a fgloat i guess we're safe, good up to 10^38 if memory serves
jurov: they seem to use bignums (via own library)
mircea_popescu: so what happens when diff overflows random quirky implementation of bignums on 32bit platforms ?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00084616 = 6.6 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dear all... i think you'd better review your legal budged. it jpm can't quite afford it...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6182 @ 0.00084616 = 5.231 BTC [+]
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ozbot: Good Morning Song - YouTube
KRS-: Good morning from the 'states
ozbot: Bad news for JPM pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7108 @ 0.00084573 = 6.0114 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00085081 = 4.0413 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5500 @ 0.0001811 = 0.9961 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: heh "iPhone 5S users report 'Blue Screen Of Death' reboots"
ThickAsThieves: from Gox "Finally, the implementation of this new infrastructure is a prerequisite before we can initiate Midas. There is still a lot of work to be done before we can launch Midas but rest assured this is a priority project for us. Once Midas is up and running we will be able to offer the trading of other digital currencies."
ThickAsThieves: reddite response: "Would be nice if they started trading bitcoin first."
mircea_popescu: dude the unending deluge of retared socialist propaganda on the topic of the us budget.
pankkake: so still no communication on widthdrawal issues? it looks like even eur is taking a lot of time
Scrat: pankkake: victims have to deposit so that the other victims can withdraw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.000852 = 6.3474 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: about the shutdown thank god I follow zero traditional media
pankkake: the only thing to say is "Washington Monument syndrome"
mircea_popescu: "Obama and his urbanized, racially diverse supporters are transforming America into something unrecognizable"
mircea_popescu: get a load of that shit. obama at 37%, one over bush's career low, has supporters now ?
mircea_popescu: the perpetually-on-welfare, illegal immigrants and all the rest of the "low information voter" scum is urbanized >?
pankkake: in the journalist' mind racially diverse supporters are
pankkake: transforming America into something unrecognizable and urbanized is just a way to make them Good Guys. it doesn't matter if it's accurate
mircea_popescu: what annoys me most is that the prostitute i quoted is a) a pulizer prize winner and b) not actually getting paid for his sexual services.
pankkake: in the journalists' minds "racially diverse" and "urbanized" is just a way to make them Good Guys. it doesn't matter if it's accurate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4190 @ 0.00085056 = 3.5638 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 574 @ 0.00115592 = 0.6635 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 147 @ 0.00111201 = 0.1635 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00085008 = 2.1252 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3462 @ 0.00085142 = 2.9476 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0088 = 0.1584 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0088 = 0.22 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Rockstar offers $500,000 of in-game cash to frustrated GTA Online players" SEC gonna step in?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00085229 = 3.4944 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.008821 = 0.2823 BTC [+]
ozbot: 189281249.28103 | Next Diff in 1149 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.2755% in 6d 8h 34m 33s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.009 = 0.333 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o hey, there's an examiner now ? who runs it mike magee ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.99999799 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00085218 = 2.5991 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.999998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.999998 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: is the judge that derpy ? and who's black ? dpr was a white kid
ThickAsThieves: i think that artist draws with a derpy pen, no avoiding it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.99999799 = 9 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "i'd love to go out on a date, but you've been drawn with the derpy pen"
Rulother: That guy's left hand looks to be in a, bad position.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.99999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.415 BTC [+]
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KRS1: in Miami, Florida we have these big monitor type lizards that get to be that big..they've become a bit of a problem..people got them as small pets and let them go into the wild to reproduce.
KRS1: i've seen them 4-6 ft..thats a big damn lizard.
mircea_popescu: they're a problem in costa rica too. they tend to play in the sewage pipes and sometiems get stuck.
KRS1: true but its cool these things sometimes cross the street in the middle of a big city
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.001199 = 0.1199 BTC [+]
KRS1: better that thing smell like pepper than body odor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 12 @ 0.00900001 = 0.108 BTC [-]
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 minutes and 28 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> wasnt this found in water ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 16 @ 0.009 = 0.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 295 @ 0.00085102 = 0.2511 BTC [-]
ozbot: Somebody need to pay for my 15 kids - YouTube
jcpham: and be held accountable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00880275 = 0.4313 BTC [-] {3}
jborkl: Mircea_popescu, you around?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 54 @ 0.42999999 = 23.22 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: CoinLab Files Response in Mt. Gox Lawsuit - The Genesis Block
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.09 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00923698 = 0.157 BTC [+] {2}
phungus: I wish Havelock would respond to ANY of BitVPS's queries about possibly moving to their exchange
phungus: Anyone here associated with Havelock?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 10 @ 0.091 = 0.91 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00085326 = 3.5837 BTC [+] {2}
topace: our emails have been down
phungus: hey. Namworld has been emailing for weeks though
phungus: ever since the BTCT announcement
topace: we arent taking on any new listings at the moment
phungus: we have shareholders that are screwed atm
topace: until we figure out our regulatory situation
phungus: that is sad because BitVPS is a legit, real company
topace: once we get our emails back up
topace: we're close to finalizing details with our lawyers
topace: and should have answers soon
phungus: we would love to grace your exchange with our ticket
topace: and _hopefully_ can oepn back up applications
topace: but we will NOT carte-blanche accept all listings from btct/bf, normal due diligence rules will still apply
phungus: like I said before, we're probably one of the only 'real' businesses
topace: historically, we've rejected about 90% of applicants
phungus: and we've been around for 2 years now
topace: i have a vps with you :p
phungus: well, at least we know where it stands now
topace: i originally tried to use it to run my websocket from, but gave up, and went to pusher.com
phungus: topace: we have some new dedi offerings that are about to be ready that might work better
phungus: I bet that would be enough
phungus: but also, it depends on the tech underneath. We have SSD nodes, KVM. Xen, and OpenVZ
ozbot: BitBet - Havelock will announce US restrictions by Guy Fawkes Night
topace: heh cna i use insider knowledge to bet ?
jimmy2k: damn shit, i just saw someone who won a 1 - 10 odds bet 40 times in a row
topace: guess there's no wya of stopping me
phungus: watch what happens after topace bets
phungus: Current weight: 91`025 ( from 100`000 to 1 )
phungus: Confirmed bets: 5 ( No: 2 / Yes: 3 )
nubbins`: watch what happens when i place a 1btc bet and everyone thinks it's topace
jimmy2k: is dooglus here sometimes?
jcpham: when is guy fawkes night and who the fuck is guy fawkes
jimmy2k: how is his nick then mircea_popescu ?
gribble: dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?
jimmy2k: i really think there is an issue with the random generator
jimmy2k: how freakin unlikely is it that someone wins a 1-9 odds bet 40 times in a row
gribble: dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?
jimmy2k: thats really not realistic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00084991 = 4.717 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i mean, having 1 come out of 40 consecutive 1-10 rolls is not the same as having a player always bet on the correct outcome 40 times in a row
mircea_popescu: but that aside, we have had all sorts of doubts and suspicions about that for months now.
mircea_popescu: this includes dooglus himself, but so far nobody's proven much
nubbins`: although obv just as likely to happen as any other given 40-roll combo
nubbins`: sometimes you get a royal flush
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there's a l'hospital rule which tells you what are the odds of Y probabilty event occuring in X tries.
mircea_popescu: 40 consecutive 1's in a 1-10 roll are still pretty darn unlikely.
jimmy2k: i will upload the screen in the forum as soon as i am at home
jurov: phungus, namworld: why "pls halp"? just track the shares on your own... problem solved
Bunnyh: jimmy2k: maybe you had your filter set up so that you only saw the wins?
phungus: jurov: I've thought about that
Bunnyh: if you filter for btc won, not btc risked
phungus: jurov: not sure we have the resources, honestly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 65 @ 0.07320179 = 4.7581 BTC [-] {20}
jurov: phungus i can make you an app for simple registration and shares transfers
jurov: aint rocket science
phungus: jurov: I will discuss this with the others
jurov: no trade engine necessary
mircea_popescu: so here's the beauty of american courts. in May Coinlab sues MtGox. In SEPTEMBER!!! MtGox replies.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, in August USG sues pirate, the same day the judge rules and the sentence is passed.
mircea_popescu: i gotta buy my own magistrate judges, this is a scandal.
mjr_: in pakistan, one of the things the taliban offered the people was prompt speedy court trials
mjr_: and the people supported them because of that
mjr_: because it was possible to die of old age before getting your day in court in pakistan
mjr_: of course, the taliban did not turn out to be the nice helpful people one would have hoped for
mjr_: but still, access to speedy redress by law is a big need for people
mircea_popescu: ya well herp. tyvm but a court system that waits after hours to suck govt cock, like the recent lavabit case
mircea_popescu: and then does jack shit in private cases... heh. tyvm, but no.
mjr_: my point is that when courts start sucking this bad, people will even support the taliban to get the services they need
nubbins`: provincial govt here has a nice trick where they issue press releases at 4:30pm on fridays
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nubbins`: so media doesn't get around to serious coverage til the following monday
mircea_popescu: check that shit out. the judge actually sat around thje courthouse after closing time to write orders
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jborkl: fancy new bitcoin accounting
nubbins`: "so basically if you abandoned your shopping cart because you wanted a cointerra instead, ken is still counting your order as a sale"
jborkl: I think PR needs to get involved in that one :)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` any editor worth his salt would in response make fridays workdays 8am to 8pm and give ppl tuesday of
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: then how are they supposed to write indignant editorials?
jborkl: ah, did not notice that
mircea_popescu: you just lock them in the office. "you leave here once you've covered the prs"
mircea_popescu: make it clear that as long as the provincial govt continues with the practice, everyone's weekeend is shot.
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nubbins`: ooh, i've been selected for a free cruise to the bahamas!
nubbins`: all i must do is press 1 to participate in a survey!!
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nubbins`: i used to hang up on calls like this, now i just lay the phone down and let the robocaller time out
nubbins`: yeah afaik the usa claims jurisdiction over oceans
jborkl: so if someone in Africa pees in the ocean , is that a act of terror?
nubbins`: we pump raw sewage into the ocean here, we're probably on all types of lists
mircea_popescu: the japanese pumped fukushima waste water into the ocean
nubbins`: TBF they built a sewage treatment plant
nubbins`: but of course the contractors fucked it up and it's been shut down until it can be fixed
jborkl: I went of vacation to Martinugue, they still have open sewer systems draining down the side of the road :/
nubbins`: my apartment in second-best korea was near an open sewer
nubbins`: the smell still reminds me of that place
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ThickAsThieves: The inability of people to follow directions is appalling
nubbins`: while i appreciate the experience, i had an overall negative experience while living in SK
nubbins`: now the smell of sewage reminds me of bad times
nubbins`: same thing every canadian with a university degree was doing
nubbins`: plenty of "party girls" karaoke bars
nubbins`: anyway, relatively high pay, relatively low cost of living
nubbins`: you can get drunk every night, eat out every day, and still send home $1000+ per month
mircea_popescu: ya but you're surrouinded by idiots and wasting your time.
nubbins`: (half the people are idiots and half your time is wasted)
nubbins`: i'm of two minds on the whole thing
nubbins`: it was my first time travelling to a foreign country alone, which led to me being bitten by the travel bug, which i consider a huge positive
nubbins`: and i was able to pay off my student loans in only 9 months
mircea_popescu: i dunno, in my experience citizens of totalitarian regimes make excellent servants but poor company.
nubbins`: nono, i said second-best korea
nubbins`: did you know samsung makes cars over there?
nubbins`: and apartment building complexes?
nubbins`: and kimchi fridges, which is possibly the strangest home appliance i've ever seen
nubbins`: they do not fuck around at all
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: large gap between rich and poot
phungus: mmm are you rich or do you poot?
nubbins`: old ladies selling boiled insects on street corners outside 100-story skyscrapers
nubbins`: but even the poor have lots of tech
nubbins`: that old lady selling bugs has a cellphone that can receive live television 200ft underground
nubbins`: it's a country of really odd juxtapositions
nubbins`: anyway, that GDP chart is more luck than anything. it was decided that the north part of korea would be used for agriculture and the south part for industry
nubbins`: but then war-by-proxy drew a nice wide line through the middle
nubbins`: and it turned out industry was more of a money-maker than growing rice
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves is that a good thing ? --- I run no such PT
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there you go, crashing people's dreams.
nubbins`: well, if they decided that agriculture belonged in the south, then seoul wouldn't exist
mircea_popescu: they were rich in inexistent pt holdings of mpoe stock
nubbins`: and best korea would be making kimchi fridges
ThickAsThieves: but funny how they just add TAT. in front and email me
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: you're suggesting that proximity to china/ussr was more of a deciding factor in NK's fate?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im suggesting that the part in which the govt was going to be strong was going to starve, and the part where the govt was going to suck entrepreneur cock was going to boom.
mircea_popescu: this irrespective of any considerations whatsoever at all.
mircea_popescu: if you use the state to borrow money which you give to the business people to do stuff, you'll be rich. it worked fgor koreea, it worked for venice 1k years before that.
mircea_popescu: if you use the state for any other purpose, including "to make people happy", to "fight racism" or whatever, to clean up grafitti,
mircea_popescu: strictly the only consideration is how dedicated the whole of society is to sucking businessman cock.
nubbins`: SK as a rule are intensely dedicated to this
nubbins`: you can seriously buy buddhist charms that are supposed to give you luck in your government exams
mircea_popescu: it's not luck except in the sense of "they got lucky", now they have cum on upper lip.
nubbins`: like, specifically, those particular exams
nubbins`: not general luck, or even general academic luck
nubbins`: anyway, only i think 1/4 of the population was buddhist
nubbins`: much more laid back than the christian 1/4, which was unwaveringly insufferable
ThickAsThieves: isn't buddhism like nihilism made into a less depressing concept
nubbins`: in the actual sense of the word, not the misappropriated sense
ThickAsThieves: but i recall the epitome of buddhism being nothingness
nubbins`: well, the goal is zen/nirvana/whatever more often than not
Diablo-D3: I think I could make an open source GPU
nubbins`: but you can't be zen if you don't pass your government exams
nubbins`: and marry and have kids (bonus points if it's a lucky year)
nubbins`: and take care of your parents/in-laws until they die
nubbins`: did i mention there are huge alcohol problems?
mircea_popescu: how about the govt can't be zen until it passes you and the future wife can;'t be zen untill she marries you and gets pregnant ?
ThickAsThieves: D3, why do you always wanna do things that can't be done, and then execute on things that shouldnt be done?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's not far off from the reality
nubbins`: the future wife literally cannot be zen until she is married with children
ThickAsThieves: [13:32] <Diablo-D3> I think I could make an open source GPU
mircea_popescu: nubbins` cool. i imagine dating is very relaxing there
nubbins`: they have colour days at least once a month with the intent of fostering romance
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nubbins`: valentines day, men give gifts to women. white day (march 14), women give gifts to men. green day, singles wear green
nubbins`: pepero day, everyone gives each other pepero
nubbins`: although there is a sex park on jeju island
nubbins`: that lots of couples visit on honeymoon
ThickAsThieves: maybe NK should actually shoot someone so people can take them seriosly
nubbins`: doesn't hold a candle to that, i guess
nubbins`: there was one sculpture that was literally a glory hole
nubbins`: nah, koreans are too prudish for that
mircea_popescu: well... a park with niormal statues where the girls had to check out their blouse at the entrance
nubbins`: honestly, the fact this park exists is extremely bizarre, given their attitudes toward sex in general
nubbins`: not as repressed as japan, but close
mircea_popescu: im sorry but here you'd flunk art school if that was your product
mircea_popescu: maybe they should make topless day. on april 15th you take your gf to the magical park and she gives you her top.
mircea_popescu: a ok. shrimp and shit ? or what's the best meal there ?
nubbins`: korean cuisine is the best in the world, bar none
nubbins`: it's the only reason i'd ever consider going back there
nubbins`: dolsot bibimbap is really good
mircea_popescu: A North Korean military spokesman said that the U.S. would be “wholly accountable for the unexpected horrible disaster” that faced its “imperialist aggression forces.”
nubbins`: see, traditional korean food is not only delicious as fuck, but good for you
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hey you canadian folks didn't also teach logic did you
nubbins`: traditional food here is root vegetables and salt beef
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: logic has no place in north/south relations
mircea_popescu: it's the same thing in romania, traditional food is delicious and good for oyu. it's the same thing in all countries where "traditional" means 2k years rather than w/e, 60
mod6: pizza rolls arent traditional?
nubbins`: whitey has been on this island for 500 years
nubbins`: and it's been salt fish, salt beef, and root veg that whole time
nubbins`: now everyone is fat and has heart attacks
mircea_popescu: lol the entire "gimme money" uncle sam tactics don't work so well in btc ?
nubbins`: you'd think they'd at least cc the bitcoin foundation on that complaint
nubbins`: UNITED STATES v. ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF SILK ROAD, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE SILK ROAD HIDDEN WEBSITE AND ANY AND ALL BITCOINS CONTAINED IN WALLET FILES RESIDING ON SILK ROAD SERVERS, INCLUDING THE SERVERS ASSIGNED THE FOLLOWING INTERNET PROTOCOL ADDRESSES: 46.183.219.244; 109.163.234.40; 193.107.86.34; 193.107.86.49; 207.106.6.25; AND 207.106.6.32;
ThickAsThieves: "“Don’t let tea farmers get f****d, buy directly from the source. Don’t let the financial system f*** us, use bitcoin!”
ThickAsThieves: Elyse Petersen, founder and CEO of Hawaii-based farm-direct tea marketplace Tealet, felt these were the right words to accompany her company’s announcement that it would begin accepting bitcoin payments starting 17th September. They echoed Tealet’s core values, illustrated bitcoin’s utility and grabbed attention.
ThickAsThieves: Unfortunately, some of Tealet’s partners didn’t appreciate the message."
nubbins`: users' unspent funds are not the proceeds of crime though, hey?
jurov: What if Silk Road is holding some of your Bitcoins as part of some transaction? Why, all you have to do is show up and make a claim for them — in a case in which the government is saying that all or substantially all of the transactions through Silk Road are federal crimes. Bring a toothbrush.
mircea_popescu: "i hereby sue all the people who might have pissed me off"
nubbins`: jurov: well, an idiot would make a claim for in-limbo funds
nubbins`: how about the guy who just transferred 1btc to his SR wallet?
mircea_popescu: tho the lavabit prosecutor was TRYING, as the judge pointed out
nubbins`: that judge deserves some bitcoin
nubbins`: jurov: siezing funds in user accounts is like the cops knocking on my door and demanding the contents of any jars with "to be used for drugs" on the label
mircea_popescu: actually if the us residend youth wasn't braindamaged, there'd be a bunch of "DRUGS" labeled containers everwhere
jurov: so why the distingushed author felt a need of such utterance?
mircea_popescu: as well as a bunch of "child porn" files on all hard drives
ThickAsThieves: you give your money to drug distributor as credit for future buys
mircea_popescu: This seems an opportune time to add, for the benefit of readers who weren't around in the 1980's, that the law pertaining to in rem forfeitures developed in the context of narcotics seizures. Prior to that, the legal maxim, the law abhors a forfeiture, was the rule, and judges were generally antagonistic to forfeiture proceedings.
mircea_popescu: In the 80's, with the crack outbreak, the feds began aggressively seeking forfeiture of proceeds, substitute proceeds and instrumentalities of crime. At the time, no one (except those of us actively engaged in the drug and forfeiture defense ) gave a damn, and the law that developed was quite harsh.
mircea_popescu: there. good poibnt. the entire in rem proceeding is a laughable piece of nonsense, in law.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves unless you have proof of the foregoing, it's not that they "deserve" it.
mircea_popescu: no better than the guy you're supposedly prosecuting. in fact, worse. he traded, he didn't steal.
nubbins`: well, my house is owned by the bank. doesn't mean they can come take my television.
nubbins`: what's the argument for these people not "deserving" their btc back?
jurov: they are all criminalz
nubbins`: because they put them on a website where bad people sold bad things?
nubbins`: i advance the opinion that it's not anyone else's place to decide who deserves my money, regardless of where i keep it
mircea_popescu: coming soon to a walmart near you, your car was impounded because you parked it last month in the parking lot of a supermarket that was violating federal regulation #<state secret deleted>.
ThickAsThieves: i'm not saying my point is a solid argument to do it, but we all know those people wont get their coins
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well yeah they won't. but there's no solid argument, and that's important.
nubbins`: we also all know that it's groundless
mircea_popescu: basicvally the usg is indistinguishable in practice from the common criminal.
ThickAsThieves: even if they wanted to give them back, could they do so reliably?
nubbins`: well, they could put the website back up with the listings removed
nubbins`: although we all know that nobody would withdraw their funds anyway
phungus: some goods on SR were legal
mjr_: eh, i think that more services should allow you to "attach" your own wallet
mjr_: and keep your private keys
mjr_: that way...this never happens
mjr_: also, you don't have to manage user funds, and take that liability
nubbins`: mjr_: so a 3-party tx where the site acts as escrow?
phungus: there were small things available like certain pipes and stuff like that
phungus: and people sold bitcoins or cash for bitcoins
mjr_: no...basically, i have a blockchain wallet already
phungus: and there was that blotter artwork
phungus: it wasn't actual blotter, just artwork
nubbins`: blotter artwork is an interesting thing
mjr_: my point is that to do off chain you have to trust the site operator
mjr_: and in the case of SR you lost your money
mjr_: i think you should have an option to attach your blockchain wallet, people can see how much funds you have
nubbins`: i suppose i should go silkscreen a huge BTC logo on a nice thick cotton rag paper, and then perforate it into tiny squares
mircea_popescu: mjr_ in fairness, i expect the lost btc mostly belonged to the operator, and some to dealers.
mjr_: you can still both send multisig to an administrative site
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mjr_: but if one person had his 100 bitcoin stolen
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: biggest losers were the dealers. thousands of $$ in limbo at any given time
mjr_: yeah, and i wonder how the people the dealers owe money to will feel
mircea_popescu: mjr_ the cost for the joe schmoes to understand and use multi tx > the probable loss to them as is.
nubbins`: you need to realize that selling on sr was VERY lucrative
nubbins`: any sensible dealer would be paying for supply up-front
mjr_: i think 2 things about SR
mircea_popescu: nubbins` heh. that's why they took a month to move a kg of coke ?
jcpham: my personal feeling is that you go off-chain your money is a row in a database
jcpham: and we al know how safe site db's are
mjr_: let me get a kilo please, here is all the cash
mjr_: and you assume that consignment is not the main model
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: if i had to bet, i'd say it was WAY more weed than coke
mjr_: those were real world people
mjr_: who may not buy coke in colombia using bitcoins
mjr_: but rther have traditional channels
mjr_: and then resell on SR
jcpham: yes and they are now mostly dead
mjr_: traditional channel = i'll front you a brick
nubbins`: mjr_: i said any sensible dealer
nubbins`: getting a brick on loan is not sensible
mjr_: it is totally sensible
mircea_popescu: look, srsly, the site was "very lucrative" in the sense of yeah, if you're some college age dork you can make A LOT OF $$$ omg/
mjr_: for the vast majority of people
mjr_: yeah, that is built in to what you pay
mjr_: and depends on how much your health is worth to you, and the chance you think you'll default
mjr_: like saying no sensible business risks using credit
mjr_: because it could hurt their credit
mjr_: first off; main risk in drugs is moving them
nubbins`: i have an acquaintance who was caught with a large amount of cocaine a couple of years ago
mircea_popescu: let's split your dispute. people sane in the head take a brick on credit all the time,
mjr_: so, most dealers would rather give you 100 grams NOW, once a month
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mjr_: then meet you for 5 grams every other day
mircea_popescu: fucked in the head idiots that take a brick on credit which is the whole of their capital...
mircea_popescu: well... those idiots don't survive and shouldn't have existed in the first place
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's like every coke dealer
mjr_: ok, i know many people who have been wiped out
mjr_: got someone to front them
mjr_: built it back up again
mjr_: its more like a trade guild than the "colombian necktie/scarface" scenario
mircea_popescu: mjr_ this is not germane, in that it was THEIR stash to lose.
nubbins`: anyway, having large amounts of outstanding credit is not a great idea
mjr_: but lets say i have been working with you for a year
mjr_: you have made money
mircea_popescu: nubbins` especially if you're a deadbeat, which is what it boils down to.
mjr_: do you think i just kill you?
mjr_: no, you are a client
mircea_popescu: mjr_ depends. are you some white ass dorky kid that "has got to do it" ?
mjr_: and people uderstand and work out terms
nubbins`: you threaten to break my bones
nubbins`: "understanding", "working out terms", are a fiction for street-level trades
mjr_: you guys really have a hollywood perspective on drug dealing
nubbins`: and when i say street-level i mean 10kg and below
mjr_: ok...whatever you say
mjr_: lets say i know people who were "late" by a couple of months and resumed their arrangement after making good
mjr_: my old roommate was a pretty big coke dealer in NYC
nubbins`: i live a three-minute walk from a house where a guy was tied up and beaten to death with a chair leg by a coke dealer
nubbins`: i guess people are nicer in NYC
mjr_: they are very business focused
mjr_: killing someone gives you $0
nospinzy: um most people who sell drugs dont beat people
mjr_: and no future revenue either
nubbins`: killing someone makes everyone who owes you $1 pay up
nubbins`: granted, i don't think they intended to kill the guy
mjr_: thats like saying death penalty stops crime
mjr_: i don't do crimes thinking i will get caught and convicted
mjr_: so i don't borrow bricks expecting to default
mjr_: i borrow a brick so i can make $10k easily
nubbins`: that's the thing, nobody expects it
mjr_: what could ever go wrong?
nubbins`: which is why nobody is ready for it
mjr_: but the guy lending it to you is ready for it
mjr_: he manages his risk
mjr_: so that if he has to wait
nubbins`: which is why you exit the courthouse after entering your not guilty plea and immediately get a phone call from some guy looking for his $7000
mjr_: he can resume operations
mjr_: and regain revenue stream
nospinzy: umm i want to get in touch with a nignog that will lend me 100k
mjr_: if i have an operation where i do 10 million
mjr_: i lend 100k all the time
nubbins`: i think the difference between here and nyc is that in nyc it's all rich people doing coke
nubbins`: and here it's all pill addicts doing AND selling coke
mjr_: its like any business
mjr_: there is nothing special about coke business
mjr_: same as anytingelse
mjr_: wholesalers offer credit to increase sales
mjr_: manage risk across multiple accounts
mjr_: write off some bad debg
nospinzy: it wouldnt be the end of you because it fucking sucks
mjr_: credit serves to expand an economy
nospinzy: the miniute you take it you feel like your dick is going to fall off
nospinzy: and you feel like you will have a heart attack
nubbins`: mjr_: so if i get a kg off some guy and say "sorry dude, i got busted", he's gonna swallow the cost?
mjr_: lol i don't know what you are doing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform according to wikipedia, russia is not YET a NIC (newly industrialised country)
mjr_: if you have been getting a kg a month for 12 months
mjr_: and you have a problem now
mjr_: he will say "ok, let's work it out and get you back on your feet"
mjr_: remember, he has made money off you for 12 months
mjr_: and would rather continue making money off you
nospinzy: you should see all the new york niggers that run my town of 30k they run it for about a year and the police come down hard on these idiots
mjr_: killing you means never being repaid, and never getting any more revenue
nubbins`: if you try that here, he will say "ok, i've been breeding pit bulls for 3 years and i bit a guy's ear off in a bar fight last week, pay up"
nospinzy: they dont know how to get out the game
mjr_: i'm not saying people don't intimidate
nubbins`: getting your face rearranged, not so much
mjr_: they have no legal recourse
mjr_: but for the most part
mjr_: its a community thing
mjr_: everyone knows everyone
mjr_: they are your neighbors
mjr_: its a trade off, offer credit
nubbins`: i'm only laughing because that all sounds so foreign
nospinzy: why you let niggers intimidate you, carry a hand gun on your body and shoot the dogs
nospinzy: no cop cares about some niggers pitbulls
mjr_: they would never think to get their own
mjr_: and they WILL get emotional about a dog
mjr_: not so much about business, i think
nospinzy: they call themselves gangsters HAHA
mjr_: anyway, boring convo
nubbins`: anyway what it boils down to, mjr, is that the coke trade is a mature industry in nyc
mjr_: drug business is the same as all business
mircea_popescu: so then shoot the dog, take his girlfriend and burn his stash.
nospinzy: i went with my friend to buy a 3k car in philly we brought a hand gun
nubbins`: and here it's a bunch of wannabe players acting like they just walked off the set of a 50 cent movie
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mjr_: if you go to the inland empire in california
mjr_: it is way scarier than the jungle in LA
mjr_: because people in LA have SOME pride in themselves
mjr_: people in the IE have nothing to live for
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mjr_: when you live in shitty places, and have no hope, you really don't care about violence or killing
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: two breeds of dog were developed on this island, the newfoundland dog and the labrador retriever
mjr_: but in new york, people are happy, so most people would be like "woah woah, why jump to violence"
nubbins`: one was bred from the other, i forget which
nospinzy: no one cares about black killing eachother, its we like to report it just to show everyone how stupid they act
nospinzy: i personaly would like to see the crime rate 10x worse
mjr_: new york has like triple digit murders per year
mircea_popescu: mjr_ dunno about that happy part man, i've seen what they call rental apts down there.
mjr_: ie. 999 people in a city of over 6 million
mjr_: well, not mad enough to kill yet
nubbins`: thats not bad for a city of millions
mjr_: it is like the safest city ever
nospinzy: its beause they frisk all the nignogs
mircea_popescu: lol. this town i'm in has had a murder last 4 years ago. it's ~400k pop. do the math.
nospinzy: its either a police gang or the street gangs
mjr_: they frisk whites and puerto ricans too
mjr_: its about how you act, who you associate with, and how you SPEAK more than anything else
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nospinzy: well i wouldnt change it, like i said police acting as the gang or nigs running around with guns scarring white people
mjr_: but seriuosly DRESS and SPEECH are about a million times more important than SKIN COLOR
mjr_: and people CAN change their dress and speech
mjr_: my friend is a VP at MetLife
mjr_: guess how many times he has been stopped and frisked
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is thatg phynn dude with the insane clown posse ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: might as well be
mjr_: its like dave chappelle says
mjr_: but he talks about white people
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: notice how his teardrop tattoos are filled in
mjr_: i think its about white culture
nubbins`: apparently this means vengeance was served!
mjr_: feeling comfortable walking up to a cop and saying, im a little high, and i just wanna get home
nubbins`: killed his buddy over sixty bucks!
mjr_: says, i am the one you protect, not the one you harrass
nospinzy: all you gotta do is dress in a suit and tie and i bet you could run drugs all day
mjr_: most drug dealers on a personal level do not look like what you would think
mjr_: i've seen pretty girls, white hipsters on backpacks
mjr_: they don't get their hand dirty with small transactions
nospinzy: they are dealing pills and weed
mjr_: also they know they stick out
mjr_: well, all i can say is panama is great so far
nubbins`: nah, colombia is overrun with aussie tourists
nospinzy: trying to act like a big shot?
mjr_: but colombian girls are hot
mjr_: my sister is in cartagena (that had nothing to do with the prior statement)
nospinzy: why when people go on vacation they go to the largest cities
nospinzy: being around an infestation of people is not a vacation
nubbins`: spent a lotta time in taganga, which was much nicer
nospinzy: you guys just travel by yourself?
nubbins`: that was my first vacation with a travel partner
nubbins`: if you're comfortable being self-reliant, solo travel is 1000x better
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nubbins`: mircea_popescu: travel with a woman and you preclude yourself from meeting nearly as many other women
nospinzy: travel with 2 other guys, thats the best way
nospinzy: traveling with women is fucking anoying as shit
nubbins`: you can do whatever the fuck you want, you meet way more people
kakobrekla: yeah nubbins`, we can go solo together !
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nospinzy: i feel more comfortable if i have a wingman
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why can't you do the fuck you want with a woman in tow ?
nubbins`: plus, when you travel solo, you take way more risks that you wouldn't necessarily otherwise
Azelphur: what is this travel you speak of
nubbins`: i'd be dead if it weren't for the kindness of strangers
nospinzy: im around alot of girls, and it all amounts to the same nonsense
nubbins`: if i had travelled with a friend, i wouldn't have been nearly so reckless
nubbins`: and so would have missed out on all those brushes with death
mircea_popescu: nospinzy you gotta have well trained girls not rifraf.
nubbins`: and what is life without risk?
nospinzy: i dont know man, id rather travel with another guy and we can have in depth conversations about what we observe
mjr_: traveling with women can be annoying
nubbins`: traveling with anyone can be annoying
mjr_: i don't like beaches and stuff
nospinzy: ye aim totaly serious you fucking faggot
nubbins`: i wanted to cave my best friend's face in after travelling with him for two weeks
mjr_: what am i gonna do with some sand
nospinzy: if you think talking to a women is somehow more indepth then a male you have issues
nospinzy: or you might be someones gay best friend
mjr_: it can be nice to travel to places where you know women
kakobrekla: so you got blood and sand now nubbins`?
mjr_: but you can go off on your own
nubbins`: kakobrekla: it's a train wreck down there
nubbins`: but anyway, i guess many people might not share my views
mjr_: i like traveling to big cities
nubbins`: but there's nothing better than travelling to a country where you don't speak the language
nubbins`: with your first night booked at a hostel
nubbins`: and all your possessions in a small backpack
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i don't book anything. i jsut land, go to the local university, find the english dept
nubbins`: it ruins it when people speak english
nubbins`: colombia was great for this, nobody speaks a fuckin word of english
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's actually a really good idea
nubbins`: mostly transferred from 6 years of mandatory french education
nubbins`: surprising how many similarities
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nubbins`: if i didn't know a word, i'd just say the french word with a spanish accent
nubbins`: french also gives you access to a lot of africa
nubbins`: (which isn't REAL africa, but i digress)
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jurov: twas so good read...
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nospinzy: are there lots of whores in panama
jurov: i dream of such travel sometimes and even tried a bit.. but then it comes to communication and that drives me crazy
jurov: litereally they asked me in a hostel on checkout why i did not talk much so anyone
nospinzy: thats why u need your google glass with transaltion
jurov: cuz i'm almost deaf and small talk is hardest work, fuck that
mjr_: the key is to speak spanish, but also be able to look like you don't speak spanish
mjr_: like Blade, all the strengths, none of the weaknesses
jurov: i'm not interested to be a clown
nubbins`: my last name is pronounced the same way as the word for marijuana in morocco
nubbins`: so when i checked in at EVERY hostel
nubbins`: there'd always be jokes about calling the cops
nospinzy: do people treat you with respect if you say you are an americna
nubbins`: followed by darting eyes and a mumbled "hashish?"
nubbins`: nospinzy: no idea, i'm canadian
mircea_popescu: i used to know this dorky kid, his idea of travel was he'd go to some town, and check in every hostel
nospinzy: nubbin you can pretend you are american
nubbins`: nospinzy: why the fuck would i pretend i'm an american?
nubbins`: i'd sooner pretend to have down's
nospinzy: nubbin keep up that attitude and we will drone strike your country
nubbins`: although TBH most of the americans i met while travelling were a-ok
nubbins`: it's the aussies and israelis that are the worst
nospinzy: whenever i see ausies they are punk faggots kids
nospinzy: and why the hell do they complain about asians so much
mod6: omg now they want to integrate xrp with urbit lol
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mircea_popescu: wait, is memnion actually the chief retard of the entire project ?
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mod6: now they're all on about colored coins.. lol. pointed them to the log from yesterday & the trilema article.
mod6: mircea_popescu: im not sure who he is acutually, but he seems to be knowledgeable.
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ThickAsThieves: well it's not fair that only the US should have their fingers in the web
jurov: i mean, what's exactly the difference?
ThickAsThieves: maybe they are just waking up to realize there is none
jurov: i see only political maneuvering... if they proposed to implement namecoin for root dns
jurov: or replace bgp with some decetralized routing
jurov: that would be something
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's fascinating hopw people default to the wrong decisions
jurov: to be precise, bgp is kinda decentralized but IP addy allocation is not
mircea_popescu: jurov there's some tension, but that's an overstatement really.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah. some ideas just sound great and seem like amazing harmless solutions. but yah, stuff doesn't work that way.
mircea_popescu: college kid wants a roadster. the sort of car for him is not a roadster, he's about to get married and have kids.
mircea_popescu: etc etc, endless and everywhere, the wrong thing always appeals.
ThickAsThieves: it's due to shallow thought, most people don't attempt to think more than a layer or two deep on things
ThickAsThieves: it's sorta like looking down the barrel of a gun and pulling the trigger to see why it isnt working
KRS1: like the fat kid who love cake
mircea_popescu: or in the immortal words of the devil himself, "He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' Hi
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ThickAsThieves: i only remember the text because it causes images and sounds in my head from pacino's performance
mircea_popescu: possibly the highlight of his very highlighted career.
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ThickAsThieves: "How your Profile name and photo may appear (including in reviews and advertising)"
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ThickAsThieves: visa cancelled my card because i used it while travelling
gecko_x2: this regime will fuck you whatever it takes
gecko_x2: complaining about your fucking visa card
jurov: lol gecko hath spoken
gecko_x2: is the same as complaining to your torturer that keeps u in his basement about the quality of his food
gecko_x2: when will you stupid mother fucking cunts wake the fuck up?
gecko_x2: My VISA CARD ISN'T WORJING UUUH HUUH
jurov: gecko_x2 mind your pills
gecko_x2: they say yes i kow the government will fuck me
gecko_x2: but at the same time they do nothing to prevent it
gecko_x2: YOU WANT TO BE FUCKED IN THE ASS BY YOUR GOVERNMENT'
gecko_x2: THAT IS THE REASON YOU COMPLAIN
gecko_x2: YOU WOULD NOT BE COMPLAINING ON IRC
jurov: kakobrekla you around? ^^^
jcpham: i bet if you used allcaps i could read it better
jcpham: jurov kakobrekla doesn't kick people for allcaps ragin
jurov: no, stopped or paused
gecko_x2: do you have anything to explain to me?
gecko_x2: with the sexual assault, just like the zionist have programmed you
gecko_x2: when you feel fear, attack everyone with sexual trigger words
ThickAsThieves: "That you or that half-wit Mirca have the gall to post about honesty here is quite the joke. You publicly post scam accusations for sport just to harm your competition. Competition I might add, that summarily spanked you in all things that matter right up until the end."
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mircea_popescu: ya well... the tuna i had for breakfast also spanked me sumariliy in all things that matter.
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jcpham: still digging up troll gold on the forums i see
MTBmanTT: Hello everyone, new to the scene, here to watch n learn :)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, in case that was before your time, "[17:05:52] shareholder3_ midterm this will win against MPEX and others as they will get shut down soon too"
mircea_popescu: [17:06:13] shareholder1 I already reported MPEX for child porn
mircea_popescu: [17:56:20] da2ce796 as in, mpex will stop being our compittion.
mircea_popescu: [17:56:26] shareholder1 mpex will be classified as money launderers and terrorists
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the internet kidz have issues in that they imagine the world is congruent with their perception of the world.
mircea_popescu: thus therefore the value of bitcoin comes from there being bitcoin atms and the worst thing that can happen is someone "reporting you for child porn"
mircea_popescu: [17:56:26] shareholder2 really? satoshidice and bitvps look pretty legit to me
mircea_popescu: [17:56:39] shareholder3_ agree with da2ce7, its a different, larger market the new GLBSE would operate in
ThickAsThieves: is this the one where nefario is on trial for closing?
MTBmanTT: reading that link should bring me up to speed here?
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, i taught this girl to cook. she loves the power this gives her, so she tries to cook everything now. so for instance can't find halva ? "maybe i'll try cooking some!"
mircea_popescu: im like ya totally, first we build an oil press in the garage...
mircea_popescu: MTBmanTT you have about siox month's worth of reading to get up to speed.
mircea_popescu: that link is only relevant in the context of a previous discussion we were having, re some other blown exchange.
MTBmanTT: like browser cookie, or go down the street n buy a snack while im reading a while?
mircea_popescu: trilema lets you read like 5 articles a week or some shit. i forget exactly.
MTBmanTT: who is this guy/ site "trilema" Ive come across it once before when reading an article on "solarwind"
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo jborkl_ by the way, someone should make a complete history of labcoin. like a post-mortem. all those juicy quotes in the forum and whatnot... splendid story for the future generations.
jcpham: this trilema dude needs his head examined
jcpham: maybe even elctro-shock therapy
kakobrekla: i heard his own court found him guilty
jcpham: what the hell is a trilema anyways
jcpham: is that when you have three choices
kakobrekla: i didnt have teh niggers in mind really
jcpham: better than a quadlema
mircea_popescu: here's a trilemma for y'all : either monucleosis or bisexuality.
mircea_popescu: speaking of bitcoin finance, anyone here saw cannibal holocaust ?
mircea_popescu: 's like nature channel with some bits of spice channel spliced in.
MTBmanTT: would it be ok, if I were to ask some stupid n00b questions?
MTBmanTT: is there a site, or link somewhere I can go to,and read up on how a newbie like me doesnt get taken to the cleaners? Some of these scam "companies" are convincing at times- wondering if somene made a post about it
mircea_popescu: that's an old article. in general your best bet is to lurk here and see what people say.
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CopperWireBeard: stay away from the amazing labcoin for now - not that you could buy shares anyway
kakobrekla: just put all your coins in bitbet cold storage
jurov: no, s.mpoe cold storage.. preferably via coinbr xD
jurov: isn't it wonderful such a thing (airgapped mpex acct) is fully feasible?
gsj: can anyone on bitfunder buy some shares for me and transfer to my acct? I will offer 5 %
gsj: PM, must be reputable
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kakobrekla: sorry, was ment for MTBmanTT specifically but ok you can have it too jig
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MTBmanTT: It really seems to me that the only way for a new guy to get started is... exchanges/share buying, faucets, and buying btc locally.. mining just seems like an endless burden :\
jurov: faucets can be good to explore transaction fees ;)
MTBmanTT: @jurov Can you elaborate a little, do mean from like an inputs.io addy to your main? or the fees for the base payout from the faucet itself?
jig: privmsg kakobrekla i'll share the love.
jurov: i had fun when i accumulated dust from faucets (although then they paid ~0.001/day) and realized i can't spend it without exorbitant tx fees
jurov: somehow i figured how to make feeless tx to myself and then wait almost day for it to clear
jurov: now with antidust rules it could be yet more involved
jurov: anyway, i gave up on faucets and bought btcs with euros proper.. but i learned something
MTBmanTT: hmm, dont we pay a tx fee if the tx is over a certain amount anyway?
MTBmanTT: makes sense on your end, I would too
kakobrekla: you pay fee for small tx [small in btc ammt]
jurov: if it's big then actually you don't need fees anyway
jurov: and if it's small tx that collects many unspent outputs together, then fees can be painful
kakobrekla: and make a big tx to yourself with all that change
kakobrekla: and attach as many other not needed inputs
MTBmanTT: hmm, definitely is interesting, id have to search around on how to do that
kakobrekla: better to put your coins to bitbet cold storage
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kakobrekla: if id be a part of bitcoinera and got new capital to invest from others, id invest it in bitcoinera, seems like a sweet deal