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BingoBoingo: So... I think math is broke. Apparently the public key for one of my addresses can hash into a different addresss.
mircea_popescu: that's odd. you mean with a different hash ?
nanotube: mircea_popescu> im just here to collect the praise. admonitions go to asciilifeform :D <- in that case... good idea, that cardano thing! :)
mircea_popescu: ty ty
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. I'm working on a report. The report will probably be in the form of a post titled "Fuckity Fuck Fuck" as I GPG sign a revocation of a certain address's message signing privileges.
pankkake: BingoBoingo: it's actually very common for gpg (the short pub key)
mircea_popescu: try and reproduce the behaviour first.
pankkake: it happened to me too
pankkake: that's why people should give the full fingerprint
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo: Bitcoin addresses are hashed public keys, right? The private key that corresponds to that public key actually has two public keys. A compressed version and a noncompressed version.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: This isn't GPG. It is RIPEMD 160 being able to assign a public key two (maybe more) bitcoin addresses.
Jere_Jones: Well, yeah.
Jere_Jones: 256 bits doesn't fit into 160 bits.
BingoBoingo: Fucking NSA bullshit undermining the Integrity of Mathematics.
Jere_Jones: I imagined it to be exceedingly rare though.
pankkake: oh
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's not possible.
mircea_popescu: multiple privates might hash to the same one address, but that's insanely rare.
mircea_popescu: the same private having ambiguous results however is impossible.
mircea_popescu: the first would be a collision. the second would be a case of 4+5 being sometimes 8, sometimes 9
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo, are you saying the same 256 bit public key ran through RIPEMD160 gave you two different answers?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones It is just a standard Bitcoin address's underlying public key. mircea_popescu I'm not sure what to think anymoar. I will say fuck vanitygen.
mircea_popescu: you using a web based service to make the keys ?
mircea_popescu: they're shit. i could never get them to make usable addresses.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The key wasn't generated on a web based service, but a web based service turned the public key into an unexpected address.
mircea_popescu: because they're broken lol
mircea_popescu: retry with the original method.
Jere_Jones: If you have the private key, turn that into the other public key and see if that gives you the address you're looking for.
BingoBoingo: 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY apparently is an imposter for my beloved 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 address in the message signed on my contacts and credentials page. I'm trying more messages at the moment, but it looks like GPG is going to have to save the day.
Jere_Jones: I can help you but you need the private key.
mircea_popescu: i think you're jumping to conclusions.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe.
BingoBoingo: Maybe I should go to #bitcoin-dev or wherever the muppets live and troll them up a bit with this.
mircea_popescu: use a proper process to turn privkey into pubkey then hash that and see what you get.
mircea_popescu: wherwe website != proper process
dexX7: mind to give out some samples like messages + signatures for both addresses?
BingoBoingo: dexX7: plug the message and signature here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/contact-and-credentials/ into http://brainwallet.org/#verify
Jere_Jones: 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY
dexX7: i see, sec
BingoBoingo: The problem is that 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY could have signed the same message. Maybe it could have signed a more malicious message. Fuck. Just because elliptic curves are sexy doesn't mean they should be used everywhere.
mircea_popescu: i bet you 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY could not have signed the same message.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe. Maybe it is just some odd intersection and I need to go back to adding giberish at the end of everything I sign.
Jere_Jones: I'm not showing that message verigying with 1LvCunts
mircea_popescu: i tell uyou, the brainwallet implementation is borkt.
mircea_popescu: might be because of how javascript runs on some systems
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: At the most charitable where there isn't a collision it ought probably assumed at a minimum Bitcoin address signing merely sucks and is poorly implemented. If you are the sort who goes for minimums.
Jere_Jones: It doesn't verify in bitcoin-qt
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe. You'd think they could at least verify things right.
dexX7: hehe odd
dexX7: 1HF8us88HGVh7gYEJpjxXS79AW2vDyZiAp
dexX7: is the address that is resolved for this msg/signature
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: so that's a third.
BingoBoingo: Maybe the problem isn't the signature or the message. Maybe Bitcoin Address signing is just fucked.
dexX7: the other two are invalid
mircea_popescu: listen, use a witness signature implementation and check.
mircea_popescu: the site is whack.
dexX7: verified with stock btc client + some php lib that i'm using to resolve (msg, sig) -> addr
dexX7: but it actually should work with "1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4"?
Jere_Jones: Yep. bitcoin-qt verified it with that address.
dexX7: not for me
Jere_Jones: I meant 1HF8us
BingoBoingo: Jeff Gazarizadickbag can suck mine.
dexX7: http://i.imgur.com/GLnJGZ9.png
dexX7: ah k
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: they have some bug in the sig implementation ?
mircea_popescu: anyone willing to make 1k keys, sign 1k messages and see if the signed messages actually resolve to the proper keys ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Probably they have a bug, in the least bad imagining of things.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo are you sure you didn't sign with that other address tghrough some process involving for instance vodka ?
[\]: lol
[\]: Are you sure you even signed it and didn't copy the sig from someone else?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Rather sure. I don't have a key for that other address in any of my wallets. The pages on the blog were some of the few things I remember making sober.
mircea_popescu: apparently sober is bad luck for you. anyway, this warrants some testing.
[\]: not really
[\]: address signing isn't a replacement for gpg signing
mircea_popescu: no, but if address signing works so you sign with one address and it verifyes with another i'd like to know
[\]: Why?
mircea_popescu: because there's enough lols in there to keep us going through a day or two even
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, in the meantime: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/contact-and-credentials/ I'll be watching BitBet rather closely to sweep any winnings to safer addresses.
[\]: has AM listed on MPEX yet?
mircea_popescu: mnop
[\]: q
mircea_popescu: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is not identified.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Let me gribble real quick
mircea_popescu: just wanted to see if you made an accct
mircea_popescu: whoa!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I finally made a nickserve account
mircea_popescu: i just got pointed out to me that 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAv >>MPEx<< cwHTP8aPYPMyY
mircea_popescu: all your itams are belong to me ?
Jere_Jones: I wonder if Havelock is being DDOS'd or if they just can't handle the load of being the stock exchange that receives the most traffic.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user BingoBoingo, with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: I have updated http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/contact-and-credentials/
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones not that much trading for all that traffic.
Jere_Jones: I *know*!
BingoBoingo: It's kind of funny I registered with gribble months ago, yet on I only registered with nickserv last week.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu asciilifeform: Is there a rough estimate on how the Cardano will be priced?
mircea_popescu: well surely there is, but it's not public.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm a bit curious because the Cardono seems like something a person would purchase a few of.
mircea_popescu: one for each gf!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One for each girl. One for each dude providing muscle. The possibilities are endless. General Patraeus would have had a career if only he could have given his side bitch a Cardano.
mircea_popescu: aptly put
BingoBoingo: I imagine a Cardano gift set with lacey panties and a digital camera and a second gift set with a Cardano and a blackjack.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to quote the main man, <asciilifeform> here
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> shaving pennies off the draft design
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo: It appears that the people with the expertise you need aren't paying attention in #bitcoin-dev. I'd try back in 12 hours.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Honestly it doesn't seem like a matter where I need their expertise so much as they need my accident. I mean if they know how this IRC thing works they will know to scroll up.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: If they don't know to scroll up or check logs why are they on the internet and not Facebook.
Jere_Jones: They will, honestly, need more details. A bug report without replication steps is fairly useless.
mircea_popescu: that's a point.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Well I'm not offering the private key until at least the last BitBet associated with that address resolves. Maybe some elliptic surves intersected at the point of that message. Maybe it is something worse. It is honestly more their problem than mine though I will be happy to offer them information short of the private key. The replication steps are surprisingly short and I imagine unhelpful.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you wouldn't offer the private key tho
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course not, unless someone was paying out more for it than the outstanding BitBet Bets paying to the derived address.
mircea_popescu: can you sign another message with that address btw ?
mircea_popescu: you could do this as a succession of screenshots. here i sign X with address Y
mircea_popescu: here i try to check it and it checks to address Z
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, just for shits and giggles I will hope it isn't some PRNG problem.
dexX7: 1. ’ is the source 2. ’ != ´ 3. strlen("’") = 3 x_X 4. it creates a not matching signature every time, if you use ’ + more than 250 other chars
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
dexX7: yup
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://bitbin.it/kChBkUKd dexX7 Are you implying Bitcoin address signatures are more worthless than I though?
mircea_popescu: dexX7 let me say this myself to see.
mircea_popescu: if using particular characters such as ´, the signing goes bonkers creating signatures that go with random addresses instead of the correct address ?
dexX7: only if you add >= 250 other chars
mircea_popescu: wow.
mircea_popescu: how do you know this ?
BingoBoingo: Fuck this is why Bitcoin needs a mother fucking Spec.
dexX7: i tested it by shortening the message and replacing the chars with others
BingoBoingo: dexX7: Still, there is no reason why Bitcoin address signed messages can't have a container like GPG signatures do. It would be so much easier to demonstrate this is broken or solid if only there were a standard container for signed messages.
dexX7: like ----BEGIN ...?
BingoBoingo: dexX7: I don't know if that is sarcasm, but yes. That is actually incredibly useful to have.
dexX7: i see. yes, it is.
BingoBoingo: dexX7: For better or worse the GPG armored format lets idiots import keys and signatures. I contrast the bitcoin address format has not container and simply solicits information. Apparently that information can often be wrong.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 well wd.
mircea_popescu: this is so much derp i have trouble believing it.
dexX7: did you test it?
mircea_popescu: i don't even dare imagine what'd have happened should anyone have taken garzik's alternative exchange seriously and puit money/effort into that
mircea_popescu: only to discover 6 months later that well...
BingoBoingo: I'm probably just going to watch this for a few times, cum, and then take a relaxing walk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJRafNcfkw
mircea_popescu: dexX7 nope, i don't have software that does the signature stuff.
dexX7: no standard btc client?
mircea_popescu: nothing recent.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've also started and aborted a tor study.
BingoBoingo: Box got owned. Nothing subtle at all.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: care to elaborate ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm authed on gribble /msg me and I will offer some things on a more disposable venue
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you want a lot of details use http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgp/ directed at bingoboingo357@gmail.com
KRS-: nice video
[\]: ;;ident
gribble: You are not identified.
[\]: lies!
[\]: ;;ident
gribble: You are identified as user imsaguy, with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
[\]: now someone send some dust to that address ^
[\]: I gotta try something out
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1413 @ 0.00084932 = 1.2001 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Also, GANGBANGRipeMD.py found a sixth address that could have created that signature for the message.
dexX7: lol
dexX7: how did you write the message anywaay?
BingoBoingo: dexX7: I just signed it in Multibit. Some rando on CoinChat pointed out Brainwallet attributes the signature to another address.
dexX7: no, i mean.. from where is the text you signed?
BingoBoingo: dexX7: I wrote it.
dexX7: my keyboard produces a different ´ than the one you used
dexX7: ’ vs ´
BingoBoingo: dexX7: I use the retard 'Murican version of a keyboard.
dexX7: any special editor like word or so?
BingoBoingo: dexX7: Nope, just Vim
BingoBoingo: ;;bc
gribble: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;; bc stats
gribble: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;
BingoBoingo: So. I thought about pricing GANGBANGRipeMD.py but I'm going to hold off.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 121 @ 0.00230001 = 0.2783 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0023 = 0.23 BTC [-]
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BingoBoingo: After taking a walk and reflecting I have updated my posts on the Bitcoin Address signed message deal. Whole venture seems less than useless the more I read about the problems.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00084861 = 4.0309 BTC [-] {3}
phish: .d
ozbot: 189281249.28103 | Next Diff in 1176 blocks | Estimated Change: 21.0500% in 6d 10h 42m 28s
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mircea_popescu: so what happens when diff overflows longint on 32bit platforms ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: isn't it float?
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: i dunno if its implemented as two ints or a float or what
jurov: yes, maybe something can overflow in process of converting it from past hashrate
mircea_popescu: if its a fgloat i guess we're safe, good up to 10^38 if memory serves
jurov: they seem to use bignums (via own library)
mircea_popescu: well that's reassuring.
mircea_popescu: so what happens when diff overflows random quirky implementation of bignums on 32bit platforms ?
jurov: ...
mircea_popescu: the diff overflows!!1
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mircea_popescu: lmao JPM posts a loss
mircea_popescu: on LEGAL charges.
mircea_popescu: dear all... i think you'd better review your legal budged. it jpm can't quite afford it...
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KRS-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L89IDDq30J8
ozbot: Good Morning Song - YouTube
KRS-: Good morning from the 'states
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/bad-news-for-jpm/
ozbot: Bad news for JPM pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00085081 = 4.0413 BTC [+]
davout: mircea_popescu: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/trilema.com
mircea_popescu: ty. lessee here
mircea_popescu: davout i see it atm. jus a leetal bit of flooding
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ThickAsThieves: heh "iPhone 5S users report 'Blue Screen Of Death' reboots"
mircea_popescu: apple is now microsoft!
ThickAsThieves: from Gox "Finally, the implementation of this new infrastructure is a prerequisite before we can initiate Midas. There is still a lot of work to be done before we can launch Midas but rest assured this is a priority project for us. Once Midas is up and running we will be able to offer the trading of other digital currencies."
ThickAsThieves: reddite response: "Would be nice if they started trading bitcoin first."
mircea_popescu: lol
davout: lol
Scrat: lol
mircea_popescu: dude the unending deluge of retared socialist propaganda on the topic of the us budget.
pankkake: so still no communication on widthdrawal issues? it looks like even eur is taking a lot of time
mircea_popescu: pankkake don't worry, it's a priority.
Scrat: pankkake: victims have to deposit so that the other victims can withdraw
ThickAsThieves: http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr03/8/15/anigif_enhanced-buzz-16008-1381258970-14.gif
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.000852 = 6.3474 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Scrat also a priority.
ThickAsThieves: http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr02/8/15/anigif_enhanced-buzz-21971-1381259005-9.gif
pankkake: about the shutdown thank god I follow zero traditional media
pankkake: the only thing to say is "Washington Monument syndrome"
ThickAsThieves: the whole page gets pretty funny http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-whitest-things-that-have-ever-happened
mircea_popescu: "Obama and his urbanized, racially diverse supporters are transforming America into something unrecognizable"
mircea_popescu: get a load of that shit. obama at 37%, one over bush's career low, has supporters now ?
mircea_popescu: the perpetually-on-welfare, illegal immigrants and all the rest of the "low information voter" scum is urbanized >?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with people.
pankkake: illegal immigrants vote?
mircea_popescu: in the us they do, yes.
pankkake: in the journalist' mind racially diverse supporters are
mircea_popescu: twice.
mircea_popescu: once illegally and once imigratorily.
pankkake: transforming America into something unrecognizable and urbanized is just a way to make them Good Guys. it doesn't matter if it's accurate
pankkake: ugh wrong paste
mircea_popescu: what annoys me most is that the prostitute i quoted is a) a pulizer prize winner and b) not actually getting paid for his sexual services.
pankkake: in the journalists' minds "racially diverse" and "urbanized" is just a way to make them Good Guys. it doesn't matter if it's accurate
mircea_popescu: i'm aware.
pankkake: lol at stolen pony
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0088 = 0.22 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Rockstar offers $500,000 of in-game cash to frustrated GTA Online players" SEC gonna step in?
mircea_popescu: lol. definitely.
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test675: hi
test675: anyone in here?
mircea_popescu: yes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.008821 = 0.2823 BTC [+]
lewicki: .D
lewicki: .d
ozbot: 189281249.28103 | Next Diff in 1149 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.2755% in 6d 8h 34m 33s
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ThickAsThieves: nothing new but http://bitcoinexaminer.org/bitfunder-com-is-closing-all-activities-to-united-states-users/
mircea_popescu: o hey, there's an examiner now ? who runs it mike magee ?
ThickAsThieves: another courtroom masterpiece http://bitcoinexaminer.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/131009-internet-drugs-6p.photoblog600.jpg
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mircea_popescu: is the judge that derpy ? and who's black ? dpr was a white kid
ThickAsThieves: the public defender
ThickAsThieves: i think that artist draws with a derpy pen, no avoiding it
mircea_popescu: lol that's a new one
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mircea_popescu: "i'd love to go out on a date, but you've been drawn with the derpy pen"
mircea_popescu: wait the oliver twist figure on the left is dpr ?
ThickAsThieves: yes
mircea_popescu: i regret cubist court painters never took off.
ThickAsThieves: i like the purple halo everyone has
ThickAsThieves: sweet bowtie on the judge too
ThickAsThieves: holy crap http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/absurd-creature-6-foot-salamander/
Rulother: I would eat it
mircea_popescu: the way the economy is going, you may have to.
ThickAsThieves: i wasnt aware an amphibian could be so large
Rulother: That guy's left hand looks to be in a, bad position.
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KRS1: in Miami, Florida we have these big monitor type lizards that get to be that big..they've become a bit of a problem..people got them as small pets and let them go into the wild to reproduce.
KRS1: i've seen them 4-6 ft..thats a big damn lizard.
kakobrekla: you are in miami?
mircea_popescu: they're a problem in costa rica too. they tend to play in the sewage pipes and sometiems get stuck.
ThickAsThieves: but lizards are not amphibians
ThickAsThieves: large reptiles are wellknown
mircea_popescu: wasnt this found in water ?
KRS1: true but its cool these things sometimes cross the street in the middle of a big city
KRS1: heres what im seeing http://www.newsytype.com/8404-monitor-lizards-florida/
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KRS1: better that thing smell like pepper than body odor
matthew_boyd: o/
matthew_boyd: ;seen mircea_popescu
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matthew_boyd: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 minutes and 28 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> wasnt this found in water ?
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jcpham: http://youtu.be/RBqjZ0KZCa0
ozbot: Somebody need to pay for my 15 kids - YouTube
jcpham: and be held accountable
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jborkl: Mircea_popescu, you around?
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ThickAsThieves: http://thegenesisblock.com/coinlab-files-response-mt-gox-lawsuit/
ozbot: CoinLab Files Response in Mt. Gox Lawsuit - The Genesis Block
matthew_boyd: o/ ThickAsThieves
nubbins`: hi
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phungus: I wish Havelock would respond to ANY of BitVPS's queries about possibly moving to their exchange
phungus: Anyone here associated with Havelock?
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kakobrekla: phungus: topace
phungus: topace
phungus: gotcha
phungus: thanks
topace: yes ?
topace: oh
topace: our emails have been down
topace: for 2 days
topace: DDOS
phungus: hey. Namworld has been emailing for weeks though
topace: our inbound emails
phungus: I think
topace: oh
phungus: ever since the BTCT announcement
topace: we arent taking on any new listings at the moment
phungus: we have shareholders that are screwed atm
phungus: oh crap
phungus: :-(
topace: until we figure out our regulatory situation
phungus: that is sad because BitVPS is a legit, real company
arij: O_o
topace: indeed
arij: halp
topace: hold tight
topace: once we get our emails back up
topace: we're close to finalizing details with our lawyers
phungus: well that is good
topace: and should have answers soon
phungus: we would love to grace your exchange with our ticket
topace: and _hopefully_ can oepn back up applications
phungus: ticker
phungus: :-)
topace: but we will NOT carte-blanche accept all listings from btct/bf, normal due diligence rules will still apply
phungus: yeah, understood
topace: historicallyl we
matthew_boyd: I have an alt-coin ticker. :D
phungus: like I said before, we're probably one of the only 'real' businesses
topace: historically, we've rejected about 90% of applicants
topace: yea
phungus: and we've been around for 2 years now
topace: i like bitvps
topace: i have a vps with you :p
phungus: hah
phungus: werd
phungus: well, at least we know where it stands now
topace: i originally tried to use it to run my websocket from, but gave up, and went to pusher.com
phungus: topace: we have some new dedi offerings that are about to be ready that might work better
phungus: 48GB ram, quad cores
phungus: I bet that would be enough
phungus: :-)
arij: dual quadcore
arij: *
phungus: but also, it depends on the tech underneath. We have SSD nodes, KVM. Xen, and OpenVZ
phungus: yes, dual quad cores
phungus: for under $200/mo
phungus: I think
arij: thats right :)
topace: brb phone
nubbins`: http://bitbet.us/bet/552/havelock-will-announce-us-restrictions-by-guy-fawkes/
ozbot: BitBet - Havelock will announce US restrictions by Guy Fawkes Night
topace: heh cna i use insider knowledge to bet ?
jimmy2k: damn shit, i just saw someone who won a 1 - 10 odds bet 40 times in a row
topace: guess there's no wya of stopping me
jimmy2k: on just-dice… wtf?
nubbins`: topace: you sure can!
phungus: lol
phungus: so
phungus: watch bitbet currently
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl yeah
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phungus: watch what happens after topace bets
phungus: all of us benefit
phungus: lol
phungus: Weighted No: 23`297
phungus: Weighted Yes: 35`904
phungus: Current weight: 91`025 ( from 100`000 to 1 )
phungus: Confirmed bets: 5 ( No: 2 / Yes: 3 )
phungus: ok
nubbins`: watch what happens when i place a 1btc bet and everyone thinks it's topace
phungus: so there is our start
phungus: lol
phungus: only 5 bets so far
jimmy2k: is dooglus here sometimes?
mircea_popescu: yeah, occasionally.
jcpham: when is guy fawkes night and who the fuck is guy fawkes
jimmy2k: how is his nick then mircea_popescu ?
jimmy2k: like in the forum?
jimmy2k: ;;seen dooglus?
gribble: I have not seen dooglus?.
ThickAsThieves: he's almost never here
mircea_popescu: it
mircea_popescu: s dooglus
mircea_popescu: ;;seen dooglus
gribble: dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: lolk
jimmy2k: i really think there is an issue with the random generator
jimmy2k: how freakin unlikely is it that someone wins a 1-9 odds bet 40 times in a row
nubbins`: jcpham: november 5, duh!
nubbins`: bonfire night
nubbins`: ;;seen dooglus
mircea_popescu: you know how to calculate those odds ?
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jimmy2k: 1/9^40
jcpham: oic
jimmy2k: actully its 1/10^40
jimmy2k: thats really not realistic
jimmy2k: ...
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mircea_popescu: that
nubbins`: ie-40!
mircea_popescu: s not exactly correct tho
nubbins`: i mean, 1e-40
mircea_popescu: did the person do the same exact thing ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, having 1 come out of 40 consecutive 1-10 rolls is not the same as having a player always bet on the correct outcome 40 times in a row
ThickAsThieves: the odds are 1:9, each time. Simple!
nubbins`: well, yes
mircea_popescu: but that aside, we have had all sorts of doubts and suspicions about that for months now.
nubbins`: each individual roll is 1:9
nubbins`: 40 in a row, though
nubbins`: infinitesimally small
mircea_popescu: this includes dooglus himself, but so far nobody's proven much
nubbins`: although obv just as likely to happen as any other given 40-roll combo
nubbins`: sometimes you get a royal flush
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there's a l'hospital rule which tells you what are the odds of Y probabilty event occuring in X tries.
nubbins`: yep
nubbins`: <--math degree
mircea_popescu: aha. so ok. out of what, 10^7 bets or so ?
mircea_popescu: 40 consecutive 1's in a 1-10 roll are still pretty darn unlikely.
jimmy2k: i will upload the screen in the forum as soon as i am at home
jurov: phungus, namworld: why "pls halp"? just track the shares on your own... problem solved
jimmy2k: honestly… this is crazy
mircea_popescu: jimmy2k one thing you can do is simulate it.
mircea_popescu: they allow 0 btc bets iirc.
mircea_popescu: you can run that for a while and see the quality.
Bunnyh: jimmy2k: maybe you had your filter set up so that you only saw the wins?
phungus: jurov: I've thought about that
Bunnyh: if you filter for btc won, not btc risked
phungus: jurov: not sure we have the resources, honestly
jurov: phungus" i
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jurov: phungus i can make you an app for simple registration and shares transfers
jurov: for, say, 5btc
jurov: aint rocket science
phungus: jurov: hmmmm
phungus: jurov: I will discuss this with the others
phungus: jurov: thx
jurov: no trade engine necessary
mircea_popescu: so here's the beauty of american courts. in May Coinlab sues MtGox. In SEPTEMBER!!! MtGox replies.
mjr_: lol
mjr_: how is everyone
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, in August USG sues pirate, the same day the judge rules and the sentence is passed.
mircea_popescu: i gotta buy my own magistrate judges, this is a scandal.
mjr_: its funny
mjr_: in pakistan, one of the things the taliban offered the people was prompt speedy court trials
mjr_: and the people supported them because of that
mjr_: because it was possible to die of old age before getting your day in court in pakistan
mjr_: of course, the taliban did not turn out to be the nice helpful people one would have hoped for
mjr_: but still, access to speedy redress by law is a big need for people
mircea_popescu: ya well herp. tyvm but a court system that waits after hours to suck govt cock, like the recent lavabit case
mircea_popescu: and then does jack shit in private cases... heh. tyvm, but no.
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: i agree
nubbins`: well, govt is govt
mjr_: my point is that when courts start sucking this bad, people will even support the taliban to get the services they need
nubbins`: provincial govt here has a nice trick where they issue press releases at 4:30pm on fridays
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/
ozbot: So who’s running the Courts circus ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: so media doesn't get around to serious coverage til the following monday
mircea_popescu: check that shit out. the judge actually sat around thje courthouse after closing time to write orders
jborkl: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg3320083#msg3320083
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mircea_popescu: mjr_ you prolly have a poin there.
jborkl: fancy new bitcoin accounting
nubbins`: hahahahahahaha
nubbins`: sales include promises to buy
nubbins`: sweet
mircea_popescu: an0 or death.
nubbins`: "so basically if you abandoned your shopping cart because you wanted a cointerra instead, ken is still counting your order as a sale"
nubbins`: lel
jborkl: I think PR needs to get involved in that one :)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` any editor worth his salt would in response make fridays workdays 8am to 8pm and give ppl tuesday of
mircea_popescu: jborkl selfmod threads get ignored.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: then how are they supposed to write indignant editorials?
jborkl: ah, did not notice that
mircea_popescu: you just lock them in the office. "you leave here once you've covered the prs"
mircea_popescu: make it clear that as long as the provincial govt continues with the practice, everyone's weekeend is shot.
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nubbins`: ooh, i've been selected for a free cruise to the bahamas!
nubbins`: all i must do is press 1 to participate in a survey!!
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nubbins`: i used to hang up on calls like this, now i just lay the phone down and let the robocaller time out
mircea_popescu: sorry nubs, the bahamas is shutdown
mircea_popescu: because it is part of the OCEAN
nubbins`: yeah afaik the usa claims jurisdiction over oceans
nubbins`: because americans drink water
mircea_popescu: seems reasonable.
jborkl: so if someone in Africa pees in the ocean , is that a act of terror?
jborkl: threat level yellow
nubbins`: we pump raw sewage into the ocean here, we're probably on all types of lists
jborkl: of are you French?
jborkl: oh
mircea_popescu: the japanese pumped fukushima waste water into the ocean
mircea_popescu: terrorists.
nubbins`: nah canadian
nubbins`: TBF they built a sewage treatment plant
nubbins`: but of course the contractors fucked it up and it's been shut down until it can be fixed
jborkl: I went of vacation to Martinugue, they still have open sewer systems draining down the side of the road :/
nubbins`: :0
jborkl: Martinique
nubbins`: my apartment in second-best korea was near an open sewer
nubbins`: the smell still reminds me of that place
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mircea_popescu: do you mean that in a good way ?
ThickAsThieves: The inability of people to follow directions is appalling
nubbins`: nah
mircea_popescu: jesus twitter is almost as stupid as reddit by now.
nubbins`: while i appreciate the experience, i had an overall negative experience while living in SK
nubbins`: now the smell of sewage reminds me of bad times
nubbins`: which, i suppose, is fitting
mircea_popescu: what were you doing there anyway ?
nubbins`: same thing every canadian with a university degree was doing
nubbins`: teaching english
mircea_popescu: scoring cheap azn cunt for packaged consumer goods ?
mircea_popescu: or that.
nubbins`: and that
nubbins`: plenty of "party girls" karaoke bars
nubbins`: anyway, relatively high pay, relatively low cost of living
nubbins`: you can get drunk every night, eat out every day, and still send home $1000+ per month
mircea_popescu: ya but you're surrouinded by idiots and wasting your time.
nubbins`: well, that's only half true
nubbins`: (half the people are idiots and half your time is wasted)
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: i'm of two minds on the whole thing
nubbins`: it was my first time travelling to a foreign country alone, which led to me being bitten by the travel bug, which i consider a huge positive
nubbins`: and i was able to pay off my student loans in only 9 months
mircea_popescu: i dunno, in my experience citizens of totalitarian regimes make excellent servants but poor company.
nubbins`: nono, i said second-best korea
nubbins`: not best korea
mircea_popescu: o o wait.
mircea_popescu: i mixed them up huh. kay.
mircea_popescu: diff story then
nubbins`: everybody does
nubbins`: did you know samsung makes cars over there?
nubbins`: and apartment building complexes?
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: chaebol thing
nubbins`: and kimchi fridges, which is possibly the strangest home appliance i've ever seen
nubbins`: s/is/are
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/South_Korea's_GDP_(PPP)_growth_from_1911_to_2008.png
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin of countries.
nubbins`: they do not fuck around at all
ThickAsThieves: I'm getting migration requests for "TAT.S.MPOE-PT"
ThickAsThieves: lol
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: large gap between rich and poot
nubbins`: i mean poor
phungus: rich and poot
phungus: lol
phungus: mmm are you rich or do you poot?
nubbins`: old ladies selling boiled insects on street corners outside 100-story skyscrapers
mircea_popescu: that gap is the best thing in the world.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves is that a good thing ?
nubbins`: but even the poor have lots of tech
nubbins`: that old lady selling bugs has a cellphone that can receive live television 200ft underground
nubbins`: it's a country of really odd juxtapositions
nubbins`: anyway, that GDP chart is more luck than anything. it was decided that the north part of korea would be used for agriculture and the south part for industry
nubbins`: but then war-by-proxy drew a nice wide line through the middle
nubbins`: and it turned out industry was more of a money-maker than growing rice
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves is that a good thing ? --- I run no such PT
mircea_popescu: where's luck figure into that ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there you go, crashing people's dreams.
nubbins`: well, if they decided that agriculture belonged in the south, then seoul wouldn't exist
mircea_popescu: they were rich in inexistent pt holdings of mpoe stock
nubbins`: and best korea would be making kimchi fridges
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no it wouldn't.
ThickAsThieves: they of course are thinking of Namworld's PT
ThickAsThieves: but funny how they just add TAT. in front and email me
ThickAsThieves: and presume it exists on Havelock
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: you're suggesting that proximity to china/ussr was more of a deciding factor in NK's fate?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im suggesting that the part in which the govt was going to be strong was going to starve, and the part where the govt was going to suck entrepreneur cock was going to boom.
mircea_popescu: this irrespective of any considerations whatsoever at all.
nubbins`: hmm
mircea_popescu: if you use the state to borrow money which you give to the business people to do stuff, you'll be rich. it worked fgor koreea, it worked for venice 1k years before that.
mircea_popescu: if you use the state for any other purpose, including "to make people happy", to "fight racism" or whatever, to clean up grafitti,
nubbins`: that's an interesting point
mircea_popescu: you will starve.
mircea_popescu: strictly the only consideration is how dedicated the whole of society is to sucking businessman cock.
nubbins`: SK as a rule are intensely dedicated to this
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: it shows, for instance in that graph.
nubbins`: you can seriously buy buddhist charms that are supposed to give you luck in your government exams
mircea_popescu: it's not luck except in the sense of "they got lucky", now they have cum on upper lip.
nubbins`: like, specifically, those particular exams
nubbins`: not general luck, or even general academic luck
nubbins`: anyway, only i think 1/4 of the population was buddhist
nubbins`: much more laid back than the christian 1/4, which was unwaveringly insufferable
ThickAsThieves: why do buddhists care about luck?
ThickAsThieves: isn't buddhism like nihilism made into a less depressing concept
phungus: lol
nubbins`: nah, they're all about karma
nubbins`: in the actual sense of the word, not the misappropriated sense
ThickAsThieves: but i recall the epitome of buddhism being nothingness
ThickAsThieves: impact-neutral zen
nubbins`: well, the goal is zen/nirvana/whatever more often than not
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: so Im thinking
ThickAsThieves: or whatever
ThickAsThieves: uh oh
Diablo-D3: I think I could make an open source GPU
Diablo-D3: that could beat amd and nvidia
ThickAsThieves: ...
nubbins`: but you can't be zen if you don't pass your government exams
nubbins`: and marry and have kids (bonus points if it's a lucky year)
nubbins`: and take care of your parents/in-laws until they die
mircea_popescu: doesn't sound too zen to me.
nubbins`: did i mention there are huge alcohol problems?
mircea_popescu: how about the govt can't be zen until it passes you and the future wife can;'t be zen untill she marries you and gets pregnant ?
ThickAsThieves: D3, why do you always wanna do things that can't be done, and then execute on things that shouldnt be done?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's not far off from the reality
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what did he do now ?
nubbins`: the future wife literally cannot be zen until she is married with children
ThickAsThieves: [13:32] <Diablo-D3> I think I could make an open source GPU
ThickAsThieves: [13:32] <Diablo-D3> that could beat amd and nvidia
mircea_popescu: nubbins` cool. i imagine dating is very relaxing there
nubbins`: it's very stressful
nubbins`: they have colour days at least once a month with the intent of fostering romance
mircea_popescu: http://world.time.com/2013/10/08/north-korea-puts-troops-on-war-footing-and-warns-of-horrible-disaster/
ozbot: North Korea Puts Troops on War Footing and Warns of ‘Horrible Disaster’ | TIME.com
nubbins`: valentines day, men give gifts to women. white day (march 14), women give gifts to men. green day, singles wear green
nubbins`: etc etc
nubbins`: pepero day, everyone gives each other pepero
mircea_popescu: no dildo day ?
nubbins`: not yet
nubbins`: although there is a sex park on jeju island
nubbins`: that lots of couples visit on honeymoon
mircea_popescu: sponsored by jeju jel ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe NK should actually shoot someone so people can take them seriosly
ThickAsThieves: u
nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Love_Land_interactive_articulated_puppet.jpg
mircea_popescu: jesus that looks sad
nubbins`: http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+KRBK46RtoMbl.jpg
nubbins`: some of it is EPIC
nubbins`: http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+_V7gdKGA_FNl.jpg
ThickAsThieves: awesome
mircea_popescu: kinda shitty.
ThickAsThieves: why are all the men western
nubbins`: http://cdn2.listsoplenty.com/listsoplenty-cdn/pix/uploads/2012/03/South-Korea_s-Jeju-Island-Love-Land.jpg
mircea_popescu: i dunno man, i'm born among the greek sculpture work.
nubbins`: yeah
ThickAsThieves: lol
nubbins`: doesn't hold a candle to that, i guess
nubbins`: there was one sculpture that was literally a glory hole
nubbins`: can't find a pic
mircea_popescu: http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/1166615591_10.thumbnail.jpg
mircea_popescu: that is kinda good.
nubbins`: aha!
nubbins`: http://cdn.enjoyourholiday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Jeju-sex-park-Korea-image15.jpg
ThickAsThieves: mother nature getting some
mircea_popescu: http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/1166615591_06.thumbnail.jpg why's the guy derpy and fat ?
nubbins`: prolly cos he's white
nubbins`: http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+KXsx0UHWB_vl.jpg
mircea_popescu: do they have a "topless only" rule for visiting ?
nubbins`: nah, koreans are too prudish for that
ThickAsThieves: so it's a sex park to see statues, not to have sex
mircea_popescu: well... a park with niormal statues where the girls had to check out their blouse at the entrance
nubbins`: honestly, the fact this park exists is extremely bizarre, given their attitudes toward sex in general
mircea_popescu: would work a lot better than this atrocity.
nubbins`: not as repressed as japan, but close
nubbins`: http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+gX5qq4sFQfRl.jpg
mircea_popescu: im sorry but here you'd flunk art school if that was your product
nubbins`: ^^^ common sight
ThickAsThieves: this park would probly do well in NY
mircea_popescu: maybe they should make topless day. on april 15th you take your gf to the magical park and she gives you her top.
mircea_popescu: then you give her a dinner and a movie or w/e they do
nubbins`: dinner and some karaoke
mircea_popescu: a ok. shrimp and shit ? or what's the best meal there ?
mircea_popescu: bird's nest ?
nubbins`: korean cuisine is the best in the world, bar none
nubbins`: it's the only reason i'd ever consider going back there
mircea_popescu: msut be all the piss.
mod6: lol
nubbins`: dolsot bibimbap is really good
nubbins`: as is kimchi jjigae
nubbins`: all of it, really
mircea_popescu: A North Korean military spokesman said that the U.S. would be “wholly accountable for the unexpected horrible disaster” that faced its “imperialist aggression forces.”
mircea_popescu: well if it's unexpected...
nubbins`: see, traditional korean food is not only delicious as fuck, but good for you
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hey you canadian folks didn't also teach logic did you
nubbins`: traditional food here is root vegetables and salt beef
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: logic has no place in north/south relations
mircea_popescu: it's the same thing in romania, traditional food is delicious and good for oyu. it's the same thing in all countries where "traditional" means 2k years rather than w/e, 60
mod6: pizza rolls arent traditional?
nubbins`: whitey has been on this island for 500 years
nubbins`: and it's been salt fish, salt beef, and root veg that whole time
nubbins`: now everyone is fat and has heart attacks
ThickAsThieves: http://www.popehat.com/2013/10/10/silk-road-update-federal-prosecutors-file-separate-forfeiture-complaint/
mircea_popescu: lol the entire "gimme money" uncle sam tactics don't work so well in btc ?
nubbins`: you'd think they'd at least cc the bitcoin foundation on that complaint
nubbins`: "identity hearing"?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who's running the popehat ?
ThickAsThieves: dunno
nubbins`: that *is* a comical case name
ThickAsThieves: "“Don’t let tea farmers get f****d, buy directly from the source. Don’t let the financial system f*** us, use bitcoin!”
ThickAsThieves: Elyse Petersen, founder and CEO of Hawaii-based farm-direct tea marketplace Tealet, felt these were the right words to accompany her company’s announcement that it would begin accepting bitcoin payments starting 17th September. They echoed Tealet’s core values, illustrated bitcoin’s utility and grabbed attention.
ThickAsThieves: Unfortunately, some of Tealet’s partners didn’t appreciate the message."
nubbins`: users' unspent funds are not the proceeds of crime though, hey?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` moreover meaningless.
mircea_popescu: it's a case against unspecified items.
nubbins`: o
nubbins`: well!
jurov: What if Silk Road is holding some of your Bitcoins as part of some transaction? Why, all you have to do is show up and make a claim for them — in a case in which the government is saying that all or substantially all of the transactions through Silk Road are federal crimes. Bring a toothbrush.
mircea_popescu: "i hereby sue all the people who might have pissed me off"
ThickAsThieves: and may piss you off in the future?
ThickAsThieves: might as well cover that too
nubbins`: jurov: well, an idiot would make a claim for in-limbo funds
mircea_popescu: the usg is not that advanced as of yet.
nubbins`: how about the guy who just transferred 1btc to his SR wallet?
mircea_popescu: tho the lavabit prosecutor was TRYING, as the judge pointed out
nubbins`: that judge deserves some bitcoin
mircea_popescu: no judge deserves any bitcoin.
nubbins`: jurov: siezing funds in user accounts is like the cops knocking on my door and demanding the contents of any jars with "to be used for drugs" on the label
nubbins`: future crime!
ThickAsThieves: i dunno
mircea_popescu: actually if the us residend youth wasn't braindamaged, there'd be a bunch of "DRUGS" labeled containers everwhere
ThickAsThieves: this is more like
jurov: so why the distingushed author felt a need of such utterance?
mircea_popescu: as well as a bunch of "child porn" files on all hard drives
ThickAsThieves: you give your money to drug distributor as credit for future buys
ThickAsThieves: and he gets nabbed
mircea_popescu: This seems an opportune time to add, for the benefit of readers who weren't around in the 1980's, that the law pertaining to in rem forfeitures developed in the context of narcotics seizures. Prior to that, the legal maxim, the law abhors a forfeiture, was the rule, and judges were generally antagonistic to forfeiture proceedings.
mircea_popescu: In the 80's, with the crack outbreak, the feds began aggressively seeking forfeiture of proceeds, substitute proceeds and instrumentalities of crime. At the time, no one (except those of us actively engaged in the drug and forfeiture defense ) gave a damn, and the law that developed was quite harsh.
ThickAsThieves: dont pretend these people deserve their btc back
mircea_popescu: there. good poibnt. the entire in rem proceeding is a laughable piece of nonsense, in law.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves unless you have proof of the foregoing, it's not that they "deserve" it.
mircea_popescu: it's that it;s theirs and you're stealing it.
mircea_popescu: no better than the guy you're supposedly prosecuting. in fact, worse. he traded, he didn't steal.
ThickAsThieves: but the accounts are owned by SR
ThickAsThieves: not the users
mircea_popescu: says who ?
ThickAsThieves: SR holds the keys
asciilifeform: actually the current US policy re: forfeiture is very exactly Soviet.
nubbins`: well, my house is owned by the bank. doesn't mean they can come take my television.
mircea_popescu: cool. gotta remember this for the pirate case.
mircea_popescu: he owned the btc right ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
ThickAsThieves: in that case he issued securities
mircea_popescu: nono, it was his btc.
mircea_popescu: cause he had the keys.
ThickAsThieves: he was not the marketplace, was he?
mircea_popescu: derp.
nubbins`: what's the argument for these people not "deserving" their btc back?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they had it, the government wants it.
jurov: they are all criminalz
nubbins`: because they put them on a website where bad people sold bad things?
nubbins`: i advance the opinion that it's not anyone else's place to decide who deserves my money, regardless of where i keep it
deadweasel: you kept money on SR?
mircea_popescu: coming soon to a walmart near you, your car was impounded because you parked it last month in the parking lot of a supermarket that was violating federal regulation #<state secret deleted>.
ThickAsThieves: i'm not saying my point is a solid argument to do it, but we all know those people wont get their coins
nubbins`: tat, we all know this, yes
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well yeah they won't. but there's no solid argument, and that's important.
nubbins`: we also all know that it's groundless
mircea_popescu: basicvally the usg is indistinguishable in practice from the common criminal.
nubbins`: but it won't be fought for
ThickAsThieves: even if they wanted to give them back, could they do so reliably?
ThickAsThieves: maybe they hire TATI to do migrations
mircea_popescu: ahahah
nubbins`: well, they could put the website back up with the listings removed
nubbins`: although we all know that nobody would withdraw their funds anyway
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the gigavps method
nubbins`: mp, before my time
mircea_popescu: "send us a signed thing via mail"
phungus: some goods on SR were legal
nubbins`: some, yes
mircea_popescu: were there ? like what ?
nubbins`: i can't recall
nubbins`: porn passwords
mjr_: eh, i think that more services should allow you to "attach" your own wallet
nubbins`: nothing of value
mjr_: and keep your private keys
mjr_: that way...this never happens
mjr_: also, you don't have to manage user funds, and take that liability
nubbins`: mjr_: so a 3-party tx where the site acts as escrow?
phungus: there were small things available like certain pipes and stuff like that
phungus: and people sold bitcoins or cash for bitcoins
mjr_: no...basically, i have a blockchain wallet already
phungus: and there was that blotter artwork
mjr_: let me use that
ThickAsThieves: attaching your own wallet wont work
phungus: it wasn't actual blotter, just artwork
mjr_: why not?
ThickAsThieves: plus you lose the ability to do offchain tx
mircea_popescu: porn passwords aren;'t legal.
mjr_: depends
nubbins`: blotter artwork is an interesting thing
ThickAsThieves: unless you do it like Weex
mjr_: my point is that to do off chain you have to trust the site operator
mjr_: and in the case of SR you lost your money
mjr_: i think you should have an option to attach your blockchain wallet, people can see how much funds you have
nubbins`: i suppose i should go silkscreen a huge BTC logo on a nice thick cotton rag paper, and then perforate it into tiny squares
nubbins`: sell it for $50 on ebay
mircea_popescu: mjr_ in fairness, i expect the lost btc mostly belonged to the operator, and some to dealers.
mjr_: you can still both send multisig to an administrative site
mircea_popescu: it's unlikely any end user kept 100 btc in there
mjr_: depends
mjr_: i agree
mjr_: in the broad case
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mjr_: but if one person had his 100 bitcoin stolen
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: biggest losers were the dealers. thousands of $$ in limbo at any given time
mjr_: is it ok?
mjr_: yeah, and i wonder how the people the dealers owe money to will feel
nubbins`: pretty good
mircea_popescu: mjr_ the cost for the joe schmoes to understand and use multi tx > the probable loss to them as is.
nubbins`: you need to realize that selling on sr was VERY lucrative
mjr_: yes
mjr_: of course
nubbins`: any sensible dealer would be paying for supply up-front
mjr_: i think 2 things about SR
nubbins`: not getting it on loan
mjr_: uh no
mircea_popescu: nubbins` heh. that's why they took a month to move a kg of coke ?
jcpham: my personal feeling is that you go off-chain your money is a row in a database
mjr_: yeah
mircea_popescu: nobody gave a shit.
jcpham: and we al know how safe site db's are
mjr_: let me get a kilo please, here is all the cash
mjr_: and you assume that consignment is not the main model
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: if i had to bet, i'd say it was WAY more weed than coke
mjr_: which it is
nubbins`: mjr_: in the real world, yes
mircea_popescu: of course.
mjr_: those were real world people
mjr_: who may not buy coke in colombia using bitcoins
mjr_: but rther have traditional channels
mjr_: and then resell on SR
jcpham: yes and they are now mostly dead
mjr_: traditional channel = i'll front you a brick
nubbins`: mjr_: i said any sensible dealer
mjr_: my point
nubbins`: getting a brick on loan is not sensible
nubbins`: whether it's common or not
mjr_: LOL
mjr_: it is totally sensible
mircea_popescu: look, srsly, the site was "very lucrative" in the sense of yeah, if you're some college age dork you can make A LOT OF $$$ omg/
nubbins`: no it's not!!
mjr_: for the vast majority of people
nubbins`: because when you get busted
mircea_popescu: it wasn't lucrative in a business sense.
nubbins`: now you owe some guy a brick
nubbins`: and you can't pay him for it
mjr_: yeah, that is built in to what you pay
mjr_: and depends on how much your health is worth to you, and the chance you think you'll default
mjr_: like saying no sensible business risks using credit
mjr_: because it could hurt their credit
nubbins`: fair enough
mjr_: first off; main risk in drugs is moving them
nubbins`: i have an acquaintance who was caught with a large amount of cocaine a couple of years ago
mircea_popescu: let's split your dispute. people sane in the head take a brick on credit all the time,
mjr_: so, most dealers would rather give you 100 grams NOW, once a month
mircea_popescu: provided it's a small fraction of their trade.
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mjr_: then meet you for 5 grams every other day
mircea_popescu: fucked in the head idiots that take a brick on credit which is the whole of their capital...
mjr_: ^^
mjr_: ^^^^^
mircea_popescu: well... those idiots don't survive and shouldn't have existed in the first place
mjr_: yes
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's like every coke dealer
mjr_: ok, i know many people who have been wiped out
mircea_popescu: nubbins` every coke dealer you know :)
mjr_: lost their stash
nubbins`: SHHHHH!
mjr_: got someone to front them
mjr_: built it back up again
mjr_: its more like a trade guild than the "colombian necktie/scarface" scenario
nubbins`: yeah
mircea_popescu: mjr_ this is not germane, in that it was THEIR stash to lose.
mjr_: ys
nubbins`: anyway, having large amounts of outstanding credit is not a great idea
mjr_: but lets say i have been working with you for a year
mjr_: you have made money
mjr_: and SR bust comes
mircea_popescu: nubbins` especially if you're a deadbeat, which is what it boils down to.
mjr_: do you think i just kill you?
mjr_: no, you are a client
nubbins`: no, you don't kill me
mircea_popescu: mjr_ depends. are you some white ass dorky kid that "has got to do it" ?
mjr_: and people uderstand and work out terms
nubbins`: you threaten to break my bones
mircea_popescu: then you might internet-kill me.
mjr_: LOL
nubbins`: "understanding", "working out terms", are a fiction for street-level trades
mjr_: you guys really have a hollywood perspective on drug dealing
nubbins`: and when i say street-level i mean 10kg and below
mjr_: ok...whatever you say
mjr_: lets say i know people who were "late" by a couple of months and resumed their arrangement after making good
mjr_: MANY times
mjr_: my old roommate was a pretty big coke dealer in NYC
nubbins`: i live a three-minute walk from a house where a guy was tied up and beaten to death with a chair leg by a coke dealer
mjr_: are you in nyc?
nubbins`: i guess people are nicer in NYC
mjr_: they are
mjr_: they are very business focused
nubbins`: must be great
mjr_: killing someone gives you $0
nubbins`: it's all skids here
nospinzy: um most people who sell drugs dont beat people
mjr_: and no future revenue either
nubbins`: killing someone makes everyone who owes you $1 pay up
mjr_: nope
nubbins`: granted, i don't think they intended to kill the guy
mjr_: thats like saying death penalty stops crime
nubbins`: it doesn't
mjr_: i don't do crimes thinking i will get caught and convicted
mjr_: so i don't borrow bricks expecting to default
mjr_: i borrow a brick so i can make $10k easily
nubbins`: that's the thing, nobody expects it
mjr_: what could ever go wrong?
nubbins`: which is why nobody is ready for it
mjr_: yes
mjr_: but the guy lending it to you is ready for it
mjr_: he manages his risk
mjr_: at least in nyc
mjr_: so that if he has to wait
nubbins`: which is why you exit the courthouse after entering your not guilty plea and immediately get a phone call from some guy looking for his $7000
mjr_: he can resume operations
mjr_: and regain revenue stream
nospinzy: umm i want to get in touch with a nignog that will lend me 100k
mjr_: it is relative
mjr_: if i have an operation where i do 10 million
mjr_: i lend 100k all the time
nubbins`: i think the difference between here and nyc is that in nyc it's all rich people doing coke
mjr_: $50 for .5g
nubbins`: and here it's all pill addicts doing AND selling coke
mjr_: i'd say so
mjr_: its like any business
nospinzy: coke sucks
mjr_: there is nothing special about coke business
nubbins`: never tried coke, never will
mjr_: same as anytingelse
nubbins`: i like things too much
nubbins`: it would be the end of me
mjr_: wholesalers offer credit to increase sales
mjr_: manage risk across multiple accounts
mjr_: write off some bad debg
nospinzy: it wouldnt be the end of you because it fucking sucks
mjr_: credit serves to expand an economy
nospinzy: the miniute you take it you feel like your dick is going to fall off
nospinzy: and you feel like you will have a heart attack
nubbins`: mjr_: so if i get a kg off some guy and say "sorry dude, i got busted", he's gonna swallow the cost?
mjr_: lol i don't know what you are doing
mjr_: no
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform according to wikipedia, russia is not YET a NIC (newly industrialised country)
mjr_: if you have been getting a kg a month for 12 months
mjr_: and you have a problem now
mjr_: he will say "ok, let's work it out and get you back on your feet"
nubbins`: oh, well
nubbins`: it's not like that everywhere
mjr_: remember, he has made money off you for 12 months
mjr_: and would rather continue making money off you
mjr_: than killing you
nospinzy: you should see all the new york niggers that run my town of 30k they run it for about a year and the police come down hard on these idiots
mjr_: killing you means never being repaid, and never getting any more revenue
nubbins`: if you try that here, he will say "ok, i've been breeding pit bulls for 3 years and i bit a guy's ear off in a bar fight last week, pay up"
nospinzy: they dont know how to get out the game
nubbins`: killing is rare
mjr_: i'm not saying people don't intimidate
nubbins`: getting your face rearranged, not so much
mjr_: they have no legal recourse
mjr_: but for the most part
mjr_: at least in nyc
mjr_: its a community thing
mjr_: washington heights
nubbins`: hahahahaha
mjr_: parts of brooklyn
mjr_: everyone knows everyone
mjr_: they are your neighbors
mjr_: its a trade off, offer credit
nubbins`: i'm only laughing because that all sounds so foreign
mjr_: more sales
nospinzy: why you let niggers intimidate you, carry a hand gun on your body and shoot the dogs
mjr_: LOL
nospinzy: no cop cares about some niggers pitbulls
mjr_: they would never think to get their own
mjr_: guns that is
mjr_: and they WILL get emotional about a dog
mjr_: not so much about business, i think
nospinzy: they call themselves gangsters HAHA
nospinzy: dont even have guns
mjr_: anyway, boring convo
nubbins`: anyway what it boils down to, mjr, is that the coke trade is a mature industry in nyc
mjr_: drug business is the same as all business
mircea_popescu: so then shoot the dog, take his girlfriend and burn his stash.
mjr_: yes nubbins`
nospinzy: i went with my friend to buy a 3k car in philly we brought a hand gun
mircea_popescu: tjhey'll call you gengis khan
mjr_: i agree
nubbins`: and here it's a bunch of wannabe players acting like they just walked off the set of a 50 cent movie
mjr_: oh totally
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mjr_: if you go to the inland empire in california
mjr_: it is way scarier than the jungle in LA
mjr_: because people in LA have SOME pride in themselves
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/murder-trial-dates-set-for-pynn-butler-1.1353717
mjr_: people in the IE have nothing to live for
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nubbins`: ^^ newfie coke lords
mircea_popescu: you live in a dog ?!
mjr_: when you live in shitty places, and have no hope, you really don't care about violence or killing
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: two breeds of dog were developed on this island, the newfoundland dog and the labrador retriever
mjr_: but in new york, people are happy, so most people would be like "woah woah, why jump to violence"
nubbins`: one was bred from the other, i forget which
nospinzy: no one cares about black killing eachother, its we like to report it just to show everyone how stupid they act
nospinzy: i personaly would like to see the crime rate 10x worse
mjr_: new york has like triple digit murders per year
mircea_popescu: mjr_ dunno about that happy part man, i've seen what they call rental apts down there.
mjr_: ie. 999 people in a city of over 6 million
mjr_: well, not mad enough to kill yet
nubbins`: thats not bad for a city of millions
mjr_: it is like the safest city ever
nospinzy: its beause they frisk all the nignogs
mjr_: lol
mircea_popescu: lol. this town i'm in has had a murder last 4 years ago. it's ~400k pop. do the math.
nospinzy: its either a police gang or the street gangs
mjr_: they frisk whites and puerto ricans too
mjr_: its about how you act, who you associate with, and how you SPEAK more than anything else
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nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/ear-biting-suspect-not-believable-crown-1.961453
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nospinzy: well i wouldnt change it, like i said police acting as the gang or nigs running around with guns scarring white people
mircea_popescu: what is this, dating ?!
mjr_: but seriuosly DRESS and SPEECH are about a million times more important than SKIN COLOR
mjr_: and people CAN change their dress and speech
mjr_: my friend is a VP at MetLife
mjr_: he is black
mjr_: guess how many times he has been stopped and frisked
nospinzy: 0
mjr_: bingo
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is thatg phynn dude with the insane clown posse ?
nospinzy: ;)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: might as well be
mjr_: its like dave chappelle says
mjr_: but he talks about white people
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: notice how his teardrop tattoos are filled in
mjr_: i think its about white culture
mircea_popescu: yaya
nubbins`: apparently this means vengeance was served!
nubbins`: big thug!
mjr_: feeling comfortable walking up to a cop and saying, im a little high, and i just wanna get home
nubbins`: killed his buddy over sixty bucks!
mjr_: says, i am the one you protect, not the one you harrass
nospinzy: all you gotta do is dress in a suit and tie and i bet you could run drugs all day
mjr_: yeah
mjr_: most drug dealers on a personal level do not look like what you would think
nubbins`: agreed
mjr_: i've seen pretty girls, white hipsters on backpacks
mjr_: its rarely thugs
mjr_: they don't get their hand dirty with small transactions
nospinzy: they arnt dealing heroin
nospinzy: they are dealing pills and weed
mjr_: also they know they stick out
mjr_: well, all i can say is panama is great so far
nubbins`: lovely
nubbins`: always wanted to visit
mjr_: viva south america
nubbins`: closest i came was colombia
mjr_: even better ;)
nospinzy: why are you down there
nubbins`: nah, colombia is overrun with aussie tourists
nospinzy: trying to act like a big shot?
nubbins`: and petty crime
nubbins`: not sure which is worse
nospinzy: where are you in panama
mjr_: panama city
mjr_: but colombian girls are hot
nubbins`: agreed
mjr_: my sister is in cartagena (that had nothing to do with the prior statement)
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: cartagena was nice
nubbins`: very expensive
nospinzy: why when people go on vacation they go to the largest cities
nospinzy: go somewhere remote
nubbins`: yeah
mjr_: san blas
nubbins`: i spent 2 days in cartagena
nospinzy: being around an infestation of people is not a vacation
nubbins`: then moved on
nubbins`: spent a lotta time in taganga, which was much nicer
nubbins`: medellin was not nice
nubbins`: manizales was great
nubbins`: bogota was so-so
nospinzy: you guys just travel by yourself?
nubbins`: myself and a friend
nubbins`: i usually travel alone
nubbins`: that was my first vacation with a travel partner
nubbins`: if you're comfortable being self-reliant, solo travel is 1000x better
mircea_popescu: nah, you always travel with a woman or two.
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kakobrekla: traveling alone is best
mircea_popescu: no way.
kakobrekla: o yeah
kakobrekla: hands down.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: travel with a woman and you preclude yourself from meeting nearly as many other women
mircea_popescu: how do you figure ?
nospinzy: travel with 2 other guys, thats the best way
nubbins`: i figure from experience
nospinzy: traveling with women is fucking anoying as shit
kakobrekla: alone or gtfo
mircea_popescu: you're not picking the right women to travel with.
nubbins`: solo travel, hands down
nubbins`: you can do whatever the fuck you want, you meet way more people
kakobrekla: yeah nubbins`, we can go solo together !
kakobrekla: oh wait.
nubbins`: lel
kleeck: .d
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nospinzy: i feel more comfortable if i have a wingman
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why can't you do the fuck you want with a woman in tow ?
mircea_popescu: nospinzy try a wingwoman sometime.
nospinzy: no
nubbins`: plus, when you travel solo, you take way more risks that you wouldn't necessarily otherwise
nospinzy: im not a bitch
nubbins`: and risks are fun
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: none of this figures.
nospinzy: lol
Azelphur: what is this travel you speak of
nubbins`: i'd be dead if it weren't for the kindness of strangers
nubbins`: ten times over
nospinzy: im around alot of girls, and it all amounts to the same nonsense
nubbins`: if i had travelled with a friend, i wouldn't have been nearly so reckless
nubbins`: and so would have missed out on all those brushes with death
mircea_popescu: nospinzy you gotta have well trained girls not rifraf.
nubbins`: and what is life without risk?
nubbins`: boring, that's what
nospinzy: i dont know man, id rather travel with another guy and we can have in depth conversations about what we observe
nospinzy: with a women well.....
nospinzy: not much can get talked about
mjr_: traveling with women can be annoying
nubbins`: traveling with anyone can be annoying
mjr_: anyway
mircea_popescu: you can;'t be serious.
mjr_: i don't like beaches and stuff
nospinzy: ye aim totaly serious you fucking faggot
nubbins`: i wanted to cave my best friend's face in after travelling with him for two weeks
mjr_: what am i gonna do with some sand
mircea_popescu: not much can be talked about with women because why
kakobrekla: mjr_ exactly
nubbins`: mjr_: get it in your pussy?
nospinzy: if you think talking to a women is somehow more indepth then a male you have issues
nospinzy: or you might be someones gay best friend
mircea_popescu: i guess my issues are not being a faggot ?
mjr_: it can be nice to travel to places where you know women
kakobrekla: so you got blood and sand now nubbins`?
mjr_: but you can go off on your own
nubbins`: kakobrekla: it's a train wreck down there
kakobrekla: lol
nubbins`: but anyway, i guess many people might not share my views
mircea_popescu: whatg, on the internet ?
mjr_: i like traveling to big cities
mircea_popescu: impossible!
nubbins`: but there's nothing better than travelling to a country where you don't speak the language
kakobrekla: i like traveling to big tities
nubbins`: with your first night booked at a hostel
mircea_popescu: yeah. i do that too.
nubbins`: and all your possessions in a small backpack
mjr_: that is fun
mjr_: i totally agree
mjr_: adventure!
mjr_: huzzah!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i don't book anything. i jsut land, go to the local university, find the english dept
nubbins`: it ruins it when people speak english
mircea_popescu: and hire some chick to show me around
nubbins`: colombia was great for this, nobody speaks a fuckin word of english
mircea_popescu: i speak spanish.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's actually a really good idea
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it is. then i have her hire me an apt
nubbins`: i've got rudimentary spanish
mircea_popescu: that way i pay local rates.
nubbins`: mostly transferred from 6 years of mandatory french education
nubbins`: (go canada)
nubbins`: surprising how many similarities
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2126 @ 0.00084907 = 1.8051 BTC [-]
nubbins`: if i didn't know a word, i'd just say the french word with a spanish accent
nubbins`: worked more often than not
nubbins`: french also gives you access to a lot of africa
nubbins`: saved my ass in morocco
nubbins`: (which isn't REAL africa, but i digress)
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C131T] 685 @ 0.32277052 = 221.0978 BTC [-]
jurov: o
mircea_popescu: jeez i leave you people for two minutes...
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 140.34004, Best ask: 141.31213, Bid-ask spread: 0.97209, Last trade: 140.44227, 24 hour volume: 6905.00279714, 24 hour low: 138.87001, 24 hour high: 141.69000, 24 hour vwap: 140.61436
jurov: twas so good read...
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 131 / .68
gribble: 192.647058824
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4045 @ 0.00084719 = 3.4269 BTC [-]
nospinzy: are there lots of whores in panama
jurov: i dream of such travel sometimes and even tried a bit.. but then it comes to communication and that drives me crazy
jurov: litereally they asked me in a hostel on checkout why i did not talk much so anyone
mircea_popescu: jurov just nod a lot.
nospinzy: thats why u need your google glass with transaltion
jurov: cuz i'm almost deaf and small talk is hardest work, fuck that
mjr_: the key is to speak spanish, but also be able to look like you don't speak spanish
mjr_: like Blade, all the strengths, none of the weaknesses
nubbins`: heh
jurov: i'm not interested to be a clown
nubbins`: my last name is pronounced the same way as the word for marijuana in morocco
nospinzy: 0_0
nubbins`: so when i checked in at EVERY hostel
nubbins`: there'd always be jokes about calling the cops
nubbins`: ;(
mircea_popescu: this reminds me
nospinzy: do people treat you with respect if you say you are an americna
nospinzy: abroad
nubbins`: followed by darting eyes and a mumbled "hashish?"
nubbins`: nospinzy: no idea, i'm canadian
mircea_popescu: i used to know this dorky kid, his idea of travel was he'd go to some town, and check in every hostel
mircea_popescu: for a day or two
mircea_popescu: see if there was any desperate tail
mircea_popescu: then move on to next hostel
nospinzy: nubbin you can pretend you are american
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: he'd be doing this all day long
nubbins`: nospinzy: why the fuck would i pretend i'm an american?
nubbins`: i'd sooner pretend to have down's
mircea_popescu: didn't you like risks ?
nubbins`: that's not a risk
nubbins`: that's debasing yourself
mircea_popescu: "that's not a risk, it's a fucking liability"
nospinzy: nubbin keep up that attitude and we will drone strike your country
nubbins`: although TBH most of the americans i met while travelling were a-ok
nubbins`: it's the aussies and israelis that are the worst
nubbins`: loud, brash, stupid
nospinzy: whenever i see ausies they are punk faggots kids
nospinzy: and why the hell do they complain about asians so much
nospinzy: they have no idea
mod6: omg now they want to integrate xrp with urbit lol
mircea_popescu: mod6 that's such a splendid idea :D
mircea_popescu: i hope thety do it on a ven platform
mod6: heheh - here's some convo: http://pastebin.com/
mod6: bah
mod6: http://pastebin.com/G4t53Mz3
ozbot: (11:41) < mod6> i started my new blockchain pull at the same time as trying to u - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: wait, is memnion actually the chief retard of the entire project ?
ThickAsThieves: does the forum care about swearing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 8 @ 0.091 = 0.728 BTC [-]
mod6: now they're all on about colored coins.. lol. pointed them to the log from yesterday & the trilema article.
mod6: mircea_popescu: im not sure who he is acutually, but he seems to be knowledgeable.
jurov: http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-abandon-the-us-government/ srsly?
ozbot: The core Internet institutions abandon the US Government | IGP Blog
ThickAsThieves: well it's not fair that only the US should have their fingers in the web
ThickAsThieves: now all the countries wanns wet their tips
ThickAsThieves: wanna
jurov: i mean, what's exactly the difference?
ThickAsThieves: i honestly dont know
ThickAsThieves: maybe they are just waking up to realize there is none
jurov: i see only political maneuvering... if they proposed to implement namecoin for root dns
jurov: or replace bgp with some decetralized routing
jurov: that would be something
Duffer1: !seen dexX7
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's fascinating hopw people default to the wrong decisions
jurov: to be precise, bgp is kinda decentralized but IP addy allocation is not
mircea_popescu: jurov there's some tension, but that's an overstatement really.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah. some ideas just sound great and seem like amazing harmless solutions. but yah, stuff doesn't work that way.
mod6: bingo
mircea_popescu: it's not just in computing, either.
mircea_popescu: college kid wants a roadster. the sort of car for him is not a roadster, he's about to get married and have kids.
mircea_popescu: etc etc, endless and everywhere, the wrong thing always appeals.
ThickAsThieves: it's due to shallow thought, most people don't attempt to think more than a layer or two deep on things
ThickAsThieves: it's sorta like looking down the barrel of a gun and pulling the trigger to see why it isnt working
KRS1: like the fat kid who love cake
mircea_popescu: or in the immortal words of the devil himself, "He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' Hi
mircea_popescu: s sick, fuckin' ass off!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2179 @ 0.00084719 = 1.846 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: devli's advocate?
mircea_popescu: yea
ThickAsThieves: great movie
mircea_popescu: yeah.
ThickAsThieves: i only remember the text because it causes images and sounds in my head from pacino's performance
mircea_popescu: possibly the highlight of his very highlighted career.
mod6: yeah, good flick
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00941999 = 0.3956 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "How your Profile name and photo may appear (including in reviews and advertising)"
ThickAsThieves: google...
ThickAsThieves: for people who wanna shut it off, just visit https://plus.google.com/settings/endorsements?hl=en
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.0899 = 0.2697 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lmao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 400 @ 0.0012 = 0.48 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 189281249.28103 | Next Diff in 1109 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.7013% in 6d 2h 32m 47s
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/11/4828352/politifact-launching-punditfact-fact-check-radio-tv-blog-print-personalities
ozbot: PolitiFact launching new site to call out lies of political pundits | The Verge
mircea_popescu: o hey
ThickAsThieves: fucking motherfucking fuck
ThickAsThieves: visa cancelled my card because i used it while travelling
ThickAsThieves: a business card
ThickAsThieves: so now i'll have umpteen vendors saying wtf
gecko_x2: look u stupid fucking cunt
gecko_x2: this is the end of a regime
gecko_x2: this regime will fuck you whatever it takes
ThickAsThieves: you talking to me?
gecko_x2: complaining about your fucking visa card
ThickAsThieves: gtfo
jurov: lol gecko hath spoken
gecko_x2: is the same as complaining to your torturer that keeps u in his basement about the quality of his food
ThickAsThieves: youre a fucking idiot
gecko_x2: when will you stupid mother fucking cunts wake the fuck up?
ThickAsThieves: ignored
jurov: gecko_x2 mind your pills
gecko_x2: jesus fucking christ
gecko_x2: you just don't get it do you?
gecko_x2: ThickAsThieves
gecko_x2: YES THIS IS REAL
gecko_x2: DO YOU GET IT?
gecko_x2: whatever
gecko_x2: ppl just do not understand
gecko_x2: they say yes i kow the government will fuck me
gecko_x2: but at the same time they do nothing to prevent it
gecko_x2: because they WANT IT
gecko_x2: YES THIS IS REAL
gecko_x2: IT
gecko_x2: IS
gecko_x2: REAL
jurov: kakobrekla you around? ^^^
jcpham: i bet if you used allcaps i could read it better
kakobrekla: what
jcpham: jurov kakobrekla doesn't kick people for allcaps ragin
jurov: WHY NOT
ThickAsThieves: he's still going?
ThickAsThieves: awesome
jurov: no, stopped or paused
gecko_x2: jcpham do i know you*?
gecko_x2: do you have anything to explain to me?
gecko_x2: here we go
mircea_popescu: when the fuck did this turn into -otc.
Duffer1: <-- still confused :P
gecko_x2: with the sexual assault, just like the zionist have programmed you
gecko_x2: wery not well played sir
gecko_x2: when you feel fear, attack everyone with sexual trigger words
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kakobrekla: !b 100 ✂︎
kakobrekla: ill read later
ThickAsThieves: "That you or that half-wit Mirca have the gall to post about honesty here is quite the joke. You publicly post scam accusations for sport just to harm your competition. Competition I might add, that summarily spanked you in all things that matter right up until the end."
ThickAsThieves: love, burnside
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3228015#msg3228015
ozbot: [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange [WINDING DOWN]
ThickAsThieves: funny how he defined 'the end'
ThickAsThieves: being that mpex is not over
mircea_popescu: ya well... the tuna i had for breakfast also spanked me sumariliy in all things that matter.
mircea_popescu: swimming, making good tuna steak, etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2608 @ 0.00085728 = 2.2358 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=308924.msg3316281#msg3316281
ozbot: Why is Operation Fabulous not working?
mircea_popescu: lmao
jcpham: still digging up troll gold on the forums i see
mircea_popescu: that's ditz glitz.
mircea_popescu: i mean,
mircea_popescu: dat's ditz glitz.
MTBmanTT: Hello everyone, new to the scene, here to watch n learn :)
mircea_popescu: hello MTBmanTT.
MTBmanTT: hi
ThickAsThieves: hi
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, in case that was before your time, "[17:05:52] shareholder3_ midterm this will win against MPEX and others as they will get shut down soon too"
mircea_popescu: [17:06:13] shareholder1 I already reported MPEX for child porn
mircea_popescu: etc.
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: s.cp was a thing?
mircea_popescu: [17:56:20] da2ce796 as in, mpex will stop being our compittion.
mircea_popescu: [17:56:26] shareholder1 mpex will be classified as money launderers and terrorists
kakobrekla: well, he didnt say WHEN
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the internet kidz have issues in that they imagine the world is congruent with their perception of the world.
ThickAsThieves: reality is what you make it!
mircea_popescu: thus therefore the value of bitcoin comes from there being bitcoin atms and the worst thing that can happen is someone "reporting you for child porn"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is true.
ThickAsThieves: i like how they say "our" too
mircea_popescu: [17:56:26] shareholder2 really? satoshidice and bitvps look pretty legit to me
mircea_popescu: [17:56:30] shareholder2 bitvps even hosts GLBSE
ThickAsThieves: as if they had a stake
mircea_popescu: that thing is the total lolz.
mircea_popescu: [17:56:39] shareholder3_ agree with da2ce7, its a different, larger market the new GLBSE would operate in
mircea_popescu: aw fduck it, just read the transcript. http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: ima be here picking comedy gold all night
ThickAsThieves: is this the one where nefario is on trial for closing?
ThickAsThieves: i read most of it once
MTBmanTT: reading that link should bring me up to speed here?
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, i taught this girl to cook. she loves the power this gives her, so she tries to cook everything now. so for instance can't find halva ? "maybe i'll try cooking some!"
mircea_popescu: im like ya totally, first we build an oil press in the garage...
mircea_popescu: MTBmanTT you have about siox month's worth of reading to get up to speed.
ThickAsThieves: but there is a lot on trilema worth reading
MTBmanTT: ...great
mircea_popescu: that link is only relevant in the context of a previous discussion we were having, re some other blown exchange.
ThickAsThieves: under the mpex and bitcoin tags
ThickAsThieves: some other tags too
mircea_popescu: but you may want to start by reading the chan log
MTBmanTT: kk
MTBmanTT: ty, ill start with that link
ThickAsThieves: youll end up needing to pay for a cookie
MTBmanTT: like browser cookie, or go down the street n buy a snack while im reading a while?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: trilema lets you read like 5 articles a week or some shit. i forget exactly.
MTBmanTT: who is this guy/ site "trilema" Ive come across it once before when reading an article on "solarwind"
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo jborkl_ by the way, someone should make a complete history of labcoin. like a post-mortem. all those juicy quotes in the forum and whatnot... splendid story for the future generations.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
MTBmanTT: i appreciate the help btw :)
kakobrekla: lmao
mircea_popescu: MTBmanTT some asshole.
MTBmanTT: ah, no shortage of them!
kakobrekla: lmao#2
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kakobrekla: !b 15 ✂︎
kakobrekla: ty
kakobrekla: keep it going
kakobrekla: i need more stuffs
jcpham: this trilema dude needs his head examined
jcpham: maybe even elctro-shock therapy
kakobrekla: i heard his own court found him guilty
jcpham: no way!
kakobrekla: so no doubts
mircea_popescu: simple minded psychotic dood.
jcpham: what the hell is a trilema anyways
jcpham: is that when you have three choices
mircea_popescu: it's when you have three choices but just one m.
jcpham: that's terrible luck
kakobrekla: is there such thing as nilema?
mircea_popescu: no, because niggers don;'t have options.
ThickAsThieves: 99 problems and a trilema aint one
kakobrekla: i didnt have teh niggers in mind really
jcpham: better than a quadlema
mircea_popescu: here's a trilemma for y'all : either monucleosis or bisexuality.
kakobrekla: that depends
kakobrekla: if bisexuality is permanent
mircea_popescu: speaking of bitcoin finance, anyone here saw cannibal holocaust ?
kakobrekla: some parts
kakobrekla: :)
mircea_popescu: kik
MTBmanTT: long ago
mircea_popescu: it
mircea_popescu: 's like nature channel with some bits of spice channel spliced in.
kakobrekla: lol
MTBmanTT: would it be ok, if I were to ask some stupid n00b questions?
CopperWireBeard: you mean another one? i kid i kid
MTBmanTT: lol true that
MTBmanTT: is there a site, or link somewhere I can go to,and read up on how a newbie like me doesnt get taken to the cleaners? Some of these scam "companies" are convincing at times- wondering if somene made a post about it
mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin drama timeline
gribble: The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline>; BitCoin Drama Continues After Hours | Zero Hedge: <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-10/bitcoin-drama-continues-after-hours>; Bitcoin bubble burst? Currency suffers dramatic correction | Internet ...: <http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57578985-93/bitcoin- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: that's an old article. in general your best bet is to lurk here and see what people say.
kakobrekla: that idiot again
kakobrekla: hes onto everything.
MTBmanTT: sweet, thank you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00085737 = 4.3297 BTC [+] {3}
CopperWireBeard: stay away from the amazing labcoin for now - not that you could buy shares anyway
turbo_ac100: labcoin...
kakobrekla: just put all your coins in bitbet cold storage
jurov: no, s.mpoe cold storage.. preferably via coinbr xD
jurov: isn't it wonderful such a thing (airgapped mpex acct) is fully feasible?
mircea_popescu: i think so.
gsj: can anyone on bitfunder buy some shares for me and transfer to my acct? I will offer 5 %
gsj: PM, must be reputable
mircea_popescu: your account on where ?
jurov: ;;gettrust gsj
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user gsj: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=gsj | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gsj | Rated since: never
ThickAsThieves: gsj, transfers to US users are blocked
ThickAsThieves: on BF
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00084931 = 1.6137 BTC [-]
MTBmanTT: @_@ so much btc crap to read
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00225133 = 0.1688 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.93267189 = 59.691 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.931 = 4.655 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.9305 = 1.861 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 270 @ 0.00903071 = 2.4383 BTC [-] {7}
kakobrekla: welcome to ASSets
jig: :)
ThickAsThieves: you are in amazing company
kakobrekla: sorry, was ment for MTBmanTT specifically but ok you can have it too jig
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2281 @ 0.00084931 = 1.9373 BTC [-]
MTBmanTT: It really seems to me that the only way for a new guy to get started is... exchanges/share buying, faucets, and buying btc locally.. mining just seems like an endless burden :\
kakobrekla: well
kakobrekla: you can skip faucets
kakobrekla: :)
MTBmanTT: yea they seem pretty low lol
jurov: faucets can be good to explore transaction fees ;)
MTBmanTT: @jurov Can you elaborate a little, do mean from like an inputs.io addy to your main? or the fees for the base payout from the faucet itself?
jig: privmsg kakobrekla i'll share the love.
jig: sigh
jurov: i had fun when i accumulated dust from faucets (although then they paid ~0.001/day) and realized i can't spend it without exorbitant tx fees
jurov: somehow i figured how to make feeless tx to myself and then wait almost day for it to clear
jurov: now with antidust rules it could be yet more involved
jurov: anyway, i gave up on faucets and bought btcs with euros proper.. but i learned something
MTBmanTT: hmm, dont we pay a tx fee if the tx is over a certain amount anyway?
MTBmanTT: makes sense on your end, I would too
kakobrekla: you pay fee for small tx [small in btc ammt]
kakobrekla: big ones are free
jurov: if it's big then actually you don't need fees anyway
kakobrekla: suck it plebs!
kakobrekla: jk.
MTBmanTT: ahhh, ok
MTBmanTT: ty answers alot for me
jurov: and if it's small tx that collects many unspent outputs together, then fees can be painful
MTBmanTT: good point
kakobrekla: but really if you have dust problem
kakobrekla: just use coin control build
kakobrekla: and make a big tx to yourself with all that change
kakobrekla: and attach as many other not needed inputs
kakobrekla: so its free
MTBmanTT: hmm, definitely is interesting, id have to search around on how to do that
MTBmanTT: alright, I got one more for everyone and ill shush- has anyone heard of these guys, and if they're legit or not: https://bitcoinera.net/
kakobrekla: better to put your coins to bitbet cold storage
ThickAsThieves: a legit scale of 1-10
ThickAsThieves: -75
turbo_ac100: https://bitcoinera.net/ lol.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00084833 = 1.2725 BTC [-] {2}
turbo_ac100: "We make real investments which wont lose value"
ThickAsThieves: and they figure the best way is to steal it
MTBmanTT: yea that part bothered me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.98758999 = 1.9752 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.0094 = 0.4888 BTC [+]
jig: salut
kakobrekla: if id be a part of bitcoinera and got new capital to invest from others, id invest it in bitcoinera, seems like a sweet deal
ThickAsThieves: better than xbond!
kakobrekla: i think i know what 'era' stands for
kakobrekla: its 'eraser'