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mircea_popescu: pity we don't have any nubile young ladies to offer in marriage as well.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> a barony! << Barony today, Dutchy tomorrow
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the story of the Obeast inducing vomit in a normal person has since been removed from reddit by the fee-fee police
adlai: this block cipher challenge is too soon, i haven't even finished my BBCC yet
mircea_popescu: da fuck can i do, freedom and decentralization means people run away with the things!
BingoBoingo: I dunno seems like an interesting time to put it out there. Who knows what will wash up?
BingoBoingo: Maybe Perelman decides he needs some Bitcoin to try the Erdos thing?
assbot: Me 22 M with my 23 F 6 month girlfriend, I love her and can't stand the sight of her. : relationships ... (
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phf: is because kolmogorov complexity is uncomputable
mircea_popescu: " In another variation on the theme, statisticians created the concept of a “standard deviation” realizing that samples in a data set may vary considerably."
mircea_popescu: this person is intellectually unqualified to participate in any discussion.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this person is intellectually unqualified to participate in any discussion. << Why so surprised.
BingoBoingo: 'Murican Doctor-Lawyer supposed to not be an idiot or something?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill. << incidentally, this is the best argument for SIMPLE (mathematically) ciphers and cryptography generally.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: when i see the "s-boxes" and schedules and bs i get this distinct "technician aspiring to be engineer" feeling.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 02:18:02; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill. << incidentally, this is the best argument for SIMPLE (mathematically) ciphers and cryptography generally.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The thing about turds is they can keep dying forever.
BingoBoingo: Turd gets eaten by clover, dies forever when eaten by bunny. Dies forever when eaten by hunter. Bunny becomes turd. repeat
BingoBoingo: But seriously lolz on Bugzilla: "It seems that eventually by fixing this non-bug a REAL BUG has now been created: forcing the ASK_BEFORE_ACCEPT like ACCEPT_NORMALLY (see comment 19 above by M Hamdy) results in allowing, e.g., google.com to install a cookie even if google.com is set to be blocked in the list of exceptions."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Got a good link on Mozilla selling their vulns?
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 23:34:43; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> how many us folk realize that usa was mega-power in mid-20th ~because~ it was a place where folks like ulam wanted to live ? >> this is what i've been saying re tmsr for a while nao. finally dawned ?
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 23:40:10; kakobrekla: and where do they want to live, in the past where all the cool beans are?
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felipelalli: (I hope translate it to English in future)
felipelalli: or "you're beautiful", something like that
felipelalli: I had to learn that when I was living in Australia! :)
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 02:50:54; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 's-boxes' etc are the voodoo paraphernalia of the block-ciphration field, which was from its very beginning and to this day 100% hokum
danielpbarron: >> A couple of kettles served them well for many years, but when rust finally overcame them, the only replacements they could fashion came from birch bark. << /me thinks of leaky treebark flasks
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, thank you to being the main source of this article! Thanks to have produced good contents about the subject.
felipelalli: (I have to go now, I'll read the feedback later, if any) good bye! :)
mircea_popescu: "dedico este artigo aos meu amigos Douglas Castro e Bingo Boingo" check it out bb you're also famous.
mircea_popescu: Formal neste artigo todo não significa “papelada” ou burocracia, mas se refere à formalidade matemática, aquela evidência que pode ser matematicamente comprovada (através de assinaturas digitais criptográficas, por exemplo). << :D
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 03:14:22; asciilifeform: perhaps mircea_popescu when he wakes up.
mircea_popescu: no place exists other than in the imagination ; and some imaginations really dun matter. for all anyone cares we live on fucking buyan
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trinque: deedbot- can again happily fart transactions (into trb!!)
trinque: still working on the upload step, which may require altering or adding an RPC. gettransaction just tells number of confirmations, not what blockheight that was, and it's not as though I can call two RPC transactionally
trinque: perhaps after shiva has destroyed the old world and created a new one
trinque: big thanks to funkenstein for his importprivkey backport patch
trinque: maybe consider regrinding and resubmitting that one
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punkman: asciilifeform: a heathen perversion for each thing in tmsr. << which thing, g?
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mircea_popescu: "Alpha releases of the Keybase app are starting to come with a cryptographically secure file mount. It is brand new. And very different." da fuck is this shit.
mircea_popescu: "Public, signed directories for everyone in the world You can now write data in a very special place: /keybase/public/yourname"
mircea_popescu: i wish the idiot circuit would write their release document as to be meaningful to people rather than appealing to goats. da fuck am i going to read out of that windows950-esque screenshot other than "hey, windows 95!"
mircea_popescu: "Every file you write in there is signed. There's no manual signing process, no taring or gzipping, no detached sigs. Instead, everything in this folder appears as plaintext files on everyone's computers. You can even open /keybase/public/yourname in your Finder or Explorer and drag things in."
mircea_popescu: who exactly wants this ? other than fucking nsa, of course, as per usual. ("but mr goldstein, you SIGNED that child porn. whadda ya mean it's an automatic process you don't control.")
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 13:16:34; asciilifeform: the triumph of 'ordinary science' as described by kuhn.
mircea_popescu: and to turdcherry the shitcake, all these nobodies on a stick run around spewing wholly delusional notions of expertise and amateurship. just don't ask them to put it to any sort of actual test.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1397029 << understand, a fucking field where something as commonplace as differential cryptanalysis is "classified"... every SINGLE FUCKING PERSON of human composition to ever EVEN CONSIDER the matter came up with differential cryptanalisis within the fucking day. because what the everloving fuck. as a 10yo playing with 10yo girls i came up with it. just how fucking hard c
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 13:17:23; asciilifeform: millions of mediocrities collectively bukkakeing onto paper.
mircea_popescu: then someone discovered every other year and they had to run around strongarming ibm and whatnot to not explain why the fuck the sboxen must be diddled just-so.
mircea_popescu: there's this very strong undercurrent of farmer mind fighting against the complexity of the world through denial and fetish worship, if you look at it. WHY must entirely banal approach be secret ? perhaps for the same exact reason children playing spontaneously errupt in "it's not fair like that", to fix the necessarily broken rules of the GAME they are playing so it's playable a little longer ?
mircea_popescu: could it be that the only way lowbrow pigborn with delusions of centrality and leadership could continue pretending like he has "a good handle" on things with his schemes derived on looseleaf papers, ever so similar in contents and consistency to the ever-genius schemes of the broke if consummate las vegas gambler, horse race expert etc ?
mircea_popescu: the whole field is essentially a commune of technicians trying to run a factory. because the last time they saw a scientist or an engineer they were about 5 and one visited the zoo.
mircea_popescu: (and for the record, for they of anthropological curiosities - there's an entire cvasi-science in the notes of technicians running the early infrastructure of hte industrial revolution. it's a shocking if fascinating mix of all sorts of things.)
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mats: I don't understand this push to get women into combat units
mats: backed by such nonsense as, 'Israelis do it just fine!11'
mats: what, people forgot modern combat loads are maiming a nontrivial percentage of dudes that deploy for nine months?
mats: when they are fucking ~mounted~
trinque: mats: just the cancerous notion of equality working its way through
trinque: why make ISIS come here for our women when we can just hand them over
mats: a swinging dick would rather leave cover and drag a wounded woman to safety and treat her wounds than return fire
☟︎ mats: exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do.
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mats: if your dumb ass gets shot, you're going to get ignored until its convenient for the unit to treat you
mats: killing the enemy is the first priority, always
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 15:39:50; mats: a swinging dick would rather leave cover and drag a wounded woman to safety and treat her wounds than return fire
ascii_butugychag: see, modern us army is, among other things, a machine for making female brass
ascii_butugychag: and right now aspiring brass have problems securing promotion because 'no combat experience'
ascii_butugychag: so yes, mats gets to die gallantly so a butch lesbian can captain a carrier
mats: in an alternative timeline
mats: never even fired her weapon in contact
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 14:03:13; mircea_popescu: who exactly wants this ? other than fucking nsa, of course, as per usual. ("but mr goldstein, you SIGNED that child porn. whadda ya mean it's an automatic process you don't control.")
mats: god forbid americans see what real war is like, a white woman being gangraped by goatherders
mircea_popescu: mats> backed by such nonsense as, 'Israelis do it just fine!11' <<< israelis do it just fine BECAUSE it is mandatory.
mircea_popescu: women, like it or not, deliver much more/better in situations of lower optionality.
mats: and when woman has to hump 120lbs up mountain, down, back up again in 24h?
punkman: solar freakin roadways! strikes again
mircea_popescu: not in the sense of "let's embed current, fragile solar panels into roads", but in the opposite sense : we're currently creating this surface out of basically refined scum, which we keep clean all year round. could there be some shit embedded so at least it powers the traffic signals ?
mats: ascii_butugychag: as I recall, only a handful died taking the hospital
mircea_popescu: something like "if you add this sort of gravel at 5.45% instead of normal gravel, you have an optimal chance of some of the cells connecting and powering hte side rail. because no, it's not gravel per se."
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> hell, more often by own side. <<< own side can't usually be bothered. goatherder females much juicier.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: reminds of the boondocks: "I was looking for bitches, but they had they carpet shit all over them and I couldn’t see what they look like. All that was really exposed was they eyes. And that wasn’t enough for me ‘cause you know, shit I’m lookin at they eyes and they eyes could be pretty and I take off their carpet… and then I got a tragedy."
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the lawsuit crackpot linked earlier was, imho, pure gold. he was genuinely convinced that rule-of-law was a thing! and kept picking, picking at the cracks in it, utterly mystified that every single judge 'lost' his papers, etc
PeterL: if I have more than one key in gpg, is there a way to tell it which one to use for signing stuff?
mircea_popescu: PeterL yes either set it up as default or specify it in command line. see manpage.
mats: what 'ends the game'
mircea_popescu: "What really bugs me, however, is how much publicity Koblitz has managed to get out of this. "
mircea_popescu: "What really bugs me, however, is how much publicity Koblitz has managed to get out of this. I see him invited to give talks at many venues, but never see anyone invited to present a counter-argument. (For that matter, I don't see invited speakers at cryptography conferences poking fun at the cryptographic work that mathematicians do.) This does not matter so much when Koblitz speaks at a TCS-venue (any intelligent cry
mircea_popescu: ptographer knows that his arguments are overblown), but I think it matters greatly when he speaks in front of an "outside" audience.
mircea_popescu: For this reason, I thought publication of his article in the Notices of the AMS was inexcusable. Even worse, this latest incarnation of his essay goes beyond being a mere "academic" argument and degenerates to name-calling and belittlement of an entire field and all the people who work in it. (And it seems pretty clear that his feelings extend beyond crypto to CS at large.)
mircea_popescu: As promised, I have written a letter of complaint to the editors of the Notices. I don't know if it will get published (it is also a bit long), but it is available here (pdf) or here (ps) "
mircea_popescu: prepare for a fucking wave of that as an entire construction of circular shiteating is getting unwound.
thestringpuller: "Here are several reasons you should stop using RSA and switch to elliptic curve software:"
mircea_popescu: "Anonymous7:04 PM, August 31, 2007 The minute TCS becomes the mature mathematical discipline that you are dreaming of, I am out of the game." << and guess where anon works.
mircea_popescu: "1. My conjecture: all scientific areas do have the "incremental results" problem. Does any one have any data supporting the hypothesis that CS (or TCS) has a higher percentage of "incremental results" published in respectable journals/conferences? If not, Koblitz' criticism is only as valid as "there are few women in CS," which though correct is hardly CS' own problem.
mircea_popescu: 2. As someone pointed out in a comment from My Biased Coin blog, is "incremental results" such a bad thing for the advancement of science that one has to "criticize" in the manner that Koblitz did? As far as I can tell, the great Euler published quite a few "incremental results.""
mircea_popescu: motherfucker - euler figured out how to sum integers to infinity while he was a teen. where the fuck is YOUR early work that you can incremental upon
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag thanks for those sweet, sweet delicious butthurt tears. made my morn.
mircea_popescu: "Actually, mathematics does have a "fast publication cycle" alternative -- which is to put papers on the arXiv. This works very well in practice, and in fact a morning ritual of most research mathematicians is to browse the arXiv mailing form the night before in his/her area. After a few months in the arXiv, hopefully generating some useful comments and criticisms, the paper would finally be submitted to a journal. " <
mircea_popescu: "This essay relates to a recent article of Koblitz & Menezes (Cryptology ePrint Report 2004/152) that ``criticizes several typical `provable security' results'' and argues that the ``theorem-proof paradigm of theoretical mathematics is often of limited relevance'' to cryptography. Although it should be obvious that these claims are utterly wrong, we undertake articulating this triviality. In particular, we point out so
mircea_popescu: me of the fundamental philosophical flaws that underly the said article and some of its misconceptions regarding theoretical research in Cryptography in the last quarter of a century."
mircea_popescu: this is sorta like bureaucrat in collapsing empire scenario, gets bitchslapped by gangster, goes into I AM JUDGE !!!11 mode.
mircea_popescu: " In general, we believe that rigorous analysis is, by far, the best way to study reality. Moreover, in the case of cryptography, this general principle is more important than in any other discipline." <<< check out mathematiphilosophician, discovered an inequality!
mircea_popescu: "x is the largest number, and in particular y is larger than x!"
ascii_butugychag: can ignore pissants, but cannot conjure a honest research community into existence.
mircea_popescu: the exact phrase, "in general X and in y especially so X" has been in use since at least the late middle ages.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag but the pissants have NOTHING TO DO with honest community either way.
mircea_popescu: yes not fucking ugly women won't conjure pretty ones up. so ?
mircea_popescu: your very cosmic idea of the world is inadequate in my eyes. nobody said that there is ONE playing field, and if there were one, that the pissants'd see it.
mircea_popescu: in general, there isn't one. in the rare cases when human genius couples with dilligence and creates a SINGLE playing field, the pissants are unaware - generally deliberately.
mircea_popescu: "The foregoing assertion is based on the realization that cryptography is focused on adversarial behavior"
mircea_popescu: well, a copywriter who found himself locked in a "math teaching" job, like that girl in my class i recounted the story of.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: there is not a single unified 'playing field', no. what there is, is a torch carried by maybe 3-5 people at a time. ever.
mircea_popescu: in this sense there was no literacy pre books, either. this is not a property of the world.
punkman: PeterL, why does that sig look so short?
mircea_popescu: looks like a sort of what is it, erdos number hackathon ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag take the first thing that came to my eyes. so dedekind and fourier are ENTIRELY separate nodes ? you swear to this ?
mircea_popescu: there isn't a woman anywhere they waited to take turns on, they never waited on each other to return books to library, nothing, vacuum ?
mircea_popescu: to answer the original q : i am vaguely familiar a bunch of different such schemes were entertained by people with varying degrees of competence.
mircea_popescu was looking for the easy "no, one was born a year after the other died", but neway.
mircea_popescu: had an entire "point still stands" thing prepared, but i guess not needed now!
PeterL: bah, It is a 1042 size key, with a 4096 sub
mircea_popescu: make a proper new key an' obsolete the old one for safeties.
mircea_popescu: besides, it'll teach you how to correctly obsolete keys so you don't need them to expire anymore.
PeterL: what is proper way to obsolete old keys?
mircea_popescu: use the old one to certify the new one in all instances you care about, sign a dead key notice with the old one, drop it in the sea.
mircea_popescu: "The CRYPTO community's typesetting abilities are not spared, nor is Oded Goldreich's spelling." ahaha.
mircea_popescu: dude, the redditards should make a bitcoin academia. with stolfi, katz and bogawan what's his face.
mircea_popescu: there is little better to do with one's time than mockfully torture The People Who Would Want.
mircea_popescu: admire the union mentality. "this woman is really hot, all the men want her" "yes but does she show up regularly at the female equality club ^H^H^H^H^H church ?"
mircea_popescu: you are only a REAL soviet if you spend your time wit hthe pravda and at the parades/meetings etc.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2014 17:22:35; asciilifeform: that many of the titles bear a striking resemblance to each other. "Adaptive Mesh Analysis" reads one and "An Adaptive Algorithm for Mesh Analysis" reads another. Dividing the total remaining by the average number of repetitions halves the list again. Mozart disappears before your very eyes.'
mircea_popescu: he can't be an "actually" thing because "actually" thing is given by participation in the official scheme to certify the reality of the delusions of the people that would want!
mircea_popescu: and this analytical device works quite well. is trump an ACTUALLY incumbent ?
mircea_popescu: it's i suspect the principal pipe through which the sheep that aren't exactly stupid transfer material from future back into the past.
mircea_popescu: ancient history to it, too. "is this blessing good or not ?" "it's great. except if in the future things happen, in which case it WILL RETROACTIVELY HAVE NOT ACTUALLY BEEN A BLESSING!"
mircea_popescu: this is like throwing away the summaries in confusion and reading the original tardstalk text plain just to see. i have the exact same feeling - these people are uniquely stupid. what the fuck did teh education do for them again ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway, to not unwarrantedly attack a whole nominal group : there are sane people too. an example "Well, he also references Bacon's Novum Organum as justification for "rigorous analysis" in cryptography, by which he apparently means theorem/proof analysis. To my knowledge, that work essentially describes how to conduct empirical scientific experiments to gain knowledge, and does not support the claim that the former ki
mircea_popescu: nd of analysis is the only acceptable methodology e.g. for cryptography, and that its results should be blindly adhered to as truth about the world especially when they contradict plain common sense, as K&M claim they do (not saying whether the latter is true or not, just that it doesn't address this)."
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the folks in question are the 'unique brand of stupid' because this is ~MANDATORY~ if you want to make a living doing what they do.
ascii_butugychag: (which I will be happy to do upon request of the editors), let me assure those readers that
ascii_butugychag: proofs in modern cryptography are as meaningful as proofs in any other area of mathematics. Can
ascii_butugychag: a scheme that has been proven secure still succumb to a real-world attack? Yes, but this does not
ascii_butugychag: invalidate the proof. (A proof of security is always given with respect to a particular definition of
ascii_butugychag: security; a given definition is not necessarily appropriate for all possible environments in which a
ascii_butugychag: scheme may be deployed.) Are most (but not all!) results in cryptography conditional? Yes, but
ascii_butugychag: this has also been shown to be inherent until the P vs. NP question (one of the seven “Millennium
ascii_butugychag: Problems” of the Clay Mathematics Institute) is settled. Do mistakes happen? Occasionally, and
ascii_butugychag: with more frequency then we might like. But this surely does not eradicate the importance of
ascii_butugychag: '...y, I have never been able to understand why any mathematician would discourage the
ascii_butugychag: use of precise definitions, rigorous proofs, and formal reasoning in any field.'
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 03:26:49; assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 23:40:10; kakobrekla: and where do they want to live, in the past where all the cool beans are?
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PeterL: BingoBoingo from Mizzu article "unrest lead to the departure of several high level administrative departures from the University" << got an extra departure in there
PeterL: btw, is it better to nitpick articles here or in their comment sections?
mircea_popescu: in general, the options are exactly 4 : 1) to say that the better times are in the past ; 2) to say that the better times are right now ; 3) to say that the better times are in the future ; 4) to say that there are no better times.
mircea_popescu: 2 is essentially pangloss' view, and beyond ridiculous. 3 is what every socialism, including here nazism, sovietism, western democracy etc was predicated on. it is beyond evil.
mircea_popescu: this leaves 1 and 4, the choice among which is indifferent.
ascii_butugychag: to say 'in the past' is as sane now as it would be after a nuclear war.
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ascii_butugychag: pretty much everything i give half a shit about was in better shape in 1900 than today.
☟︎ ascii_butugychag: ^ from my multi-year attempt to find out something definitive re: the strength of mceliece
mod6: this morning I had to nearly step over two hobo's fucking in the trainstation.
mod6: that shit isn't right, especially before you've had your coffee
mod6: wouldn't wanna make me stab myself in the face any less.
BingoBoingo: In other news /Classic:0.11.2/ has 259, which for a hardfork coup is disappoint
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well you gotta understand hobofucking as well as hobocucking are serious trainstation risks
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BingoBoingo: From the mines: "You obviously don’t understand that Bitcoin has already reached thoroughput capacity, and further procrastination will result in the amount of orphaned blocks increasing; costing miners, and frying micro-SDchips with outrageous mempool sizes rewriting constantly. Just one look at the mempool is reason enough to worry. Rasberri Pi’s weren’t designed to be abused in this way… and nearly every node and ASIC u
BingoBoingo: Because mempool size is necessarily a problem for rPI and bigger blocks would be a solution in their bizzaro land. Need more Orphanage nike
mircea_popescu: so if you make MORE space for people to take a shit in, there's going to somehow be fewer sd chips burned ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a comment on derpiticle. A comment that was carried onto the RSS version of the derpiticle.
BingoBoingo: Because for some reason articles already have comments when they hit RSS????
BingoBoingo: Not a single link to anyone other than Thermos on the subject
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 18:34:10; ascii_butugychag: pretty much everything i give half a shit about was in better shape in 1900 than today.
mircea_popescu: by the choice of year, acomprehensible theory of the universe it'd seem.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:56:24; asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different.
punkman: ascii_butugychag: browsing through the 2015 iacr archive, seems like almost every third paper is about homo crypto
ascii_butugychag: the 'holy grail' appeal of unbreakable usgtronics everywhere is irresistible to hitler.
punkman: "LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value" aaand it's gone
ascii_butugychag: on account of arsebook's 'business edition' launching, no doubt
mircea_popescu: "The algorithm can be applied on 'arbitrary' key sizes, i.e. every user can decide which bit-length k his key should have (less then 1000 is usually considered insecure).
mircea_popescu: Encryption is 'probabilistic' - i.e. if the same text is encrypted twice, the ciphertext usually will be different. They also will be longer (in the size of bits) by a factor of four, in order to guarantee decryption to the original message."
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag re the comment etc : i am definitely awarding for a degenerate shoup, if that's what we agree on using.
mircea_popescu: and also fwiw : a) the discrete log problem is of course related to the euler inequality, and generally shoup is properly speaking a narrow case of my proposed ep?
mircea_popescu: "One amazing feature of this system is that it comes with a proof of security against adaptive chosen ciphertext attacks. I.e if your hardware device (say your workstation) can be used by an adversary for a limited time (e.g. while you are at lunch) to decrypt chosen ciphertexts without actually 'stealing' the secret key, it does not help him too much to decrypt any ciphertexts except the ones he decrypted explicitly.
mircea_popescu: Thus, by simply keeping a local list of cipher texts that you prevent from being decrypted straightforward (i.e. those you generated), you can---at least in theory---add some security." <<< wtf is this!
ascii_butugychag: it means that decryption of arbitary input doesn't leak key bits
mircea_popescu: "Thus, by simply keeping a local list of cipher texts that you prevent from being decrypted straightforward (i.e. those you generated), you can---at least in theory---add some security." << this part.
punkman: ascii_butugychag: i even like the (beefed up) mceliece << which one?
ascii_butugychag: punkman: the one with bernstein's proposed enhancements - possibly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32928 @ 0.00055729 = 18.3504 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_butugychag: '“I cannot for sure rule out the possibility of a backdoor,” said Gerhard Rieger, a Socat maintainer. “But personally I do not believe that the contributor has a backdoor because he uses an email address at a well known and reputated company, and if someone wants to install such a backdoor he would not use a parameter that can easily be proven as non prime.”'
☟︎ ascii_butugychag: 'A post to a technical forum discovered that the non-prime parameter was introduced more than a year ago. A note in the commit indicates that Socat was not working in FIPS mode because it requires a 1024 Diffie-Hellman prime, and added that a developer named Zhiang Wang provided a patch with the new prime. The poster revealed that Wang works at Oracle and contributes to Socat.'
☟︎ BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Mebbe. I got to read into it.
BingoBoingo: "from the now-how-much-would-you-pay? dept"
danielpbarron: comments are a riot; these guys just can't stand that someone out there knows what he wants and isn't afraid to put it out there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22311 @ 0.00055472 = 12.3764 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Not how many of them appear so rapidly
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Note all the derps supposing the block cipher is somehow supposed to be used as a proof of work
danielpbarron: from the long-winded "i want to sorta look like i agree with this guy" post >> There definitely is a potential for safer currencies than bitcoin
danielpbarron: i imagine the memo to the astro-turfers went something like "go post comments on this slashdot thread, and use the keyword 'arrogant twat'"
ascii_butugychag: i'm a bit surprised that nobody whined re: the most obvious boojum of mircea_popescu's contest - how will it be judged.
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: You don't know how astroturf works. It doesn't work if you attack actual mysteries. You gotta attack fake ones like blockcipher as PoW
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9029 @ 0.00055369 = 4.9993 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: "Talos™ is the world's first ATX workstation-class mainboard for the new, open-source friendly IBM POWER8 processor and architecture."
BingoBoingo: Of course the thing is at the "pre-order" stage so who knows if it ever appears
ascii_butugychag: also gotta love the 'free, open workstation' where the sole component supplier is ibm
mircea_popescu: (courtesy BingoBoingo who by now is a total expert at bothering mayogenders)
ascii_butugychag: 'Also, he awards bonus points for proofs of hardness. No one has managed to prove hardness for any existing block cipher. Block ciphers are simply ways to jumble the plaintext up in a reversible fashion. They are not based on difficult mathematical problems.
ascii_butugychag: Proving hardness is something you do for asymmetrical ciphers, but asymmetrical ciphers are way too slow to be useful for actual messages.'
ascii_butugychag: is there somewhere, i wonder, a perl script, that pastes this pediwikian claptrap in
mircea_popescu: that's what you need "ordinary, decent, law abiding citizens" for.
mircea_popescu lookes over at stats ; check that out, slashdotting counts for something like 2-3% of ordinary trilema traffic.
mircea_popescu: ever since the previous spammer sold my site to the current one people ever give less and less of a shit! oh if only i could be friends with a rich guy like slashdot!
mircea_popescu: "Socat said it has generated a new prime that is 2048 bits long" << clearly evil.
mircea_popescu: While it’s unknown how Wang chose the prime, other commenters on the post said that checks in OpenSSL and other tools used to generate primes cannot be sure if the numbers are prime. Rieger told Threatpost: “I do not know if a quick way exists to check this definitely. No attempts were made at all.” << and we never heard of phuctor etc.
mircea_popescu: "Not satire, just stupid and wrong." lol BingoBoingo just how much derp butthurt have you produced today ?
ascii_butugychag has been trying to detect 'signs of intelligent life' in the cryptological world, a very depressing exercise
mircea_popescu: i'll be honest with you : i actually prefer encountering scar tissue to actual people. i have many more toys for the former, that i wouldn't normally apply on humans.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu, i suppose, is a natural-born exterminator. whereas i see crushing, poisoning vermin as hard thankless work
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mats: was this socat thing even rsa?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "Not satire, just stupid and wrong." lol BingoBoingo just how much derp butthurt have you produced today ? << Less than usual actually.
mircea_popescu: o hey, check it out, all the rotinculo that live off foodstamps know what a reward sum SHOULD have been.
mircea_popescu: nm that i linked to djb's 500-1k typical rewards for the field to help them avoid stepping in that one.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, i don't recall usg paying out any prize at all for aes nomination
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 22:32:43; BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: You don't know how astroturf works. It doesn't work if you attack actual mysteries. You gotta attack fake ones like blockcipher as PoW
ascii_butugychag: i kinda wonder, how many of the folks barfing, could explain how, e.g., rsa, works, to save own life
ascii_butugychag: (actually posing the question often produces many little 'bill gates'-en, who famously uttered a hope that one day 'science may discover a means of factoring large primes')
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag honestly, i suspect a) all actual cryptography revolves around º and º' pairs and b) rsa is the only one where º = º' = multiplication.
mircea_popescu: pure conjecture, but towards a unified theory of cryptography!