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asciilifeform: ( do we have 1 per week yet ? )
mircea_popescu: i read all about it on trilema like five years ago.
asciilifeform: apparently https://archive.is/QjFEm is the latest snore.
shinohai: We welcome all companies, miners, developers and users to join us and help prepare bitcoin for the future << heh
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658001 <> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-22#1660203 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 15:16 mircea_popescu: tell you what, if i wanted to put uncacheable pngs somewhere on the web, i'd have NOT needed 1k lines of six decimal place pt specifications nor inept matrices and their useless transforms.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-22 23:38 mircea_popescu: i wonder if the 10th 9 in that latitude figure is correct, or was it really an 8.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder if these come out of 'ints don't exist' js liquishitsoup
mircea_popescu: every two bit tramp with a plan wants to prepare my pie for "the future".
mircea_popescu: i am shocked by this impredictable turn of events. really, he who hasn't and wishes he had will talk of futurez ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite likely.
mod6: evenin'
shinohai: heya mod6
mod6: how goes shinohai?
shinohai: Not bad here, puttering about. How goes the lab tests?
mod6: going well.
mod6: re-doing the tests for FG1 and the first test of FG2. Basically these were run prior to the 'fullblock' thread.
mod6: !#s fullblock
a111: 9 results for "fullblock", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fullblock
mod6: should have them done within a few days. then i gotta try to do some fg-anal.
mircea_popescu: fg-anal sure has a dong to it.
asciilifeform: watch out , pcb dun have rounded cornerz
asciilifeform: gotta file'em
asciilifeform: and pins, ow
asciilifeform: i suppose one could pour the entire assembly into silicone...
mod6: im not exactly sure what kinda anal. might just put some stats in there to pull-together some of the info from all 15 tests.
mod6: we'll see how it goes
asciilifeform: asciilifeform used 'dieharder' to reject a handful of screamingly defective analogue units , but currently isn't sure that it's good for much re a ~working~ one ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( the grade outputted by the 'hungrier' tests appears to be in direct proportion to sample size, and very little else; and FG, /dev/urandom, various fashionable prng, intel's mysterymeatrng, and several others, all exhibit same effect, 100% pass begins somewhere b/w 1-3GB sample size. ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: the idiotic 'looping' cannot (afaik) be switched off. (yes i could patch the src but the result will be a nonstandard tester )
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647896 thread. ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 01:39 asciilifeform: imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n;
mod6: yeah
mod6: I might just end up writing a page that links all the ent/dieharder results.
mod6: i dunno yet; but it'll be something
mod6: re http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/v_tickets.html << 1, 2, 3 are certainly complete.
mod6: will be removing these.
shinohai: `t` has proved useful as well, just for personal recor-keeping
shinohai: *record
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is insoluble and dieharder/ent/etc are fundamentally braindamaged. there's no way to avoid the "give it a large enough sample it'll show 100%" problem specifically because there's no such thing as random bitstream. ☟︎
mod6: yeah, was thinking heavily about the new version lastnight. need to get some work into that yet.
mod6: mircea_popescu: werd
mod6: !%r v 2
mod6: !%r v 3
mod6: !%r v 1
mircea_popescu: moreover, even something as simple as "discern if bitstream X is a linear function with an irrational parameter" is beyond what can be established.
mircea_popescu: can trivially show this is weaker than " return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction". ☟︎
mod6: %!e v 4 T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)."
mod6: gah
mod6: !%e v 4 T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)."
mod6: !%e v 5 T "Publish V-Genesis" "Publish V-Genesis post 99994 release."
mircea_popescu: because i've had it explaining this in private : yes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659420 goes to 1. for the same money, f(x) = 1/n^x g(x) = 1/x converge to 1/n, which is any arbitrary value (including 0 when n=x so f(x) = 1/x^x. nfi why this isn't evident, but anyway. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 20:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, to humor you and with absolutely no dispositive intent : let f(x) = 1/x ; let g(x) = 1/x*2. let x ->n. 0**0 = 1 implies x -> 1 when x->n.
shinohai: "Facebook will also allow people to livestream attempts to self-harm because it ‘doesn’t want to censor or punish people in distress’, it added." http://archive.is/AJNoW
shinohai: Facebook respects YOUR right to An Hero
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660248 << this ain't the problem -- already right off the bat , sane operator knows that it is physically impossible to test for ~good~ rng, only for ~bad rng~ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 01:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is insoluble and dieharder/ent/etc are fundamentally braindamaged. there's no way to avoid the "give it a large enough sample it'll show 100%" problem specifically because there's no such thing as random bitstream.
mircea_popescu: i keep waiting for one of these actually doing it properly : rubbing self with thyme and stuffing bacon in the cuts.
mircea_popescu: mmm.
asciilifeform: per dijkstra's 'testing can demonstrate the presence of bugs, but never their absence' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform otherwise, the presence of "whitening" is conversely the statement of the impossibility of proper "ent"
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: whitening == gluing petrol tank gauge to 'full'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660255 << again, nobody (rather, not asciilifeform) asked for general case -- it is provably impossible (see chaitin) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 01:36 mircea_popescu: can trivially show this is weaker than " return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction".
asciilifeform: but to display ~existing~ test failures in predictor-algorithm form ☟︎
asciilifeform: and any test that cannot be formulated in this way -- is rubbish and oughta go away
mircea_popescu: the problem is thge swet of possibly existing failures is transfinite or some shit
mircea_popescu: necessarily no test can be formulated.
mircea_popescu: as per goedel.
asciilifeform: let's take concrete example -- if i make a rubbish rng that leads 'ent' to conclude that pi == 4
asciilifeform: this can be restated as a better-than-chance predictor of n-th bit of stream.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: but this is not what you're asking, for a test that sometimes finds something, is it.
asciilifeform: actually it was !
mircea_popescu: ah, i misunderstood.
asciilifeform: dieharder etc oughta output f(n) = $guess
mircea_popescu: no see, now you made it in the general again.
mircea_popescu: do you want it to miss most cases, or do you want it to not miss most cases ?
asciilifeform: ( with $guess being some particular algebraic )
asciilifeform: this is not about the tests, but the output of same
asciilifeform: let's take a painfully pedantic example:
mircea_popescu: again, irrational numbers are the problem. pix+e is not "algebraic" in this sense.
asciilifeform: say an rng fails the 'birthdays' test.
asciilifeform: because the output byte is never ever 0xaa .
asciilifeform: so we get a sadness equation:
mircea_popescu: i suppose distributions is the sane way to go about this. study if taking byte as 3 gives uneven distribution as opposed to taking byte as 8, say.
asciilifeform: f(n) = random(0..a9 + ab..ff)
asciilifeform: (let's accept this range-with-hole notation.)
asciilifeform: my original contention is that any test which, upon 'failure', cannot produce a sadness equation, is ill-conceived.
mircea_popescu: in this sense ~all of the dieharder tests do produce one implicitly.
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: chi squares or w/e, monte carlo etc
asciilifeform: right. output ought be a 'hey schmuck, if you use this rng, i can predict, like-so...'
mircea_popescu: the problem hgere is : you are guarding the wife's door rather than her cunt. she dun need to use the door.
mircea_popescu: it's so easy to make perfectly balanced faux entropy, only some very inept usg-ians would use anything else.
mircea_popescu: very low standard/
asciilifeform: so next step is: once we have a sadness equation, you can take it and test its guess rate vs expected value, with new output sample.
asciilifeform: and yes, this is still same old tests, nothing magically different about them, there will ~never~ be a mechanical test for 'good rng'
asciilifeform: because it is not an arithmetic attribute .
asciilifeform: but function of rng AND enemy. (see ancient thread, 2014ish iirc)
asciilifeform: however there is a number of tests-for-broken-rng. my idea was strictly re an algo for how to measure their actual relevance .
asciilifeform: ( what delta over random stab in the dark does the supposed predictor give the enemy . )
asciilifeform: tests as we have them now are useful because they can reveal 'organic' damage or misdesign, e.g. stuck bits. rather than malfeasance.
asciilifeform: brb
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ITS constituents!
BingoBoingo: tyvm fixed
asciilifeform: the 'formulate as predictor' came from asciilifeform's ongoing regular stabs at breaking shitoshi's rng. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the sort of thing one's not well advised to stop trying even should he succeed.
asciilifeform: aha, like all 'tests reveal presence, never absence..'
mircea_popescu: no, moreover, because stopping;'s suspicious.
asciilifeform: i wonder who else ever even mentioned subj publicly.
mircea_popescu: people on tardstalk.
asciilifeform: do they still even nao?
asciilifeform: and, supposing they do not : was the stopping - suspicious..?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the stopping of talking in the tardsgroup is never suspicious. they talk at the margins, as per the "gotta say unsaid things" heuristic. ☟︎
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624240 << regarding alf's suggestion here, is there any objection to adding this log link to ticket: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#6 ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 16:57 asciilifeform: btw i will also put down in the log, one very simple possible algorithm for a 'txidx-fs' :
mircea_popescu: might not want to anchor prototype / example implementations too deeply too soon ; but that has ntohing to do with linking.
mod6: *nod* sounds good.
mod6: re: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#1 << this one seems to be resolved with the use of -lows. I hesitate to remove the ticket, but a link to the patch might be worthwhile here.
mod6: !%a trb C "Move the deps folder" "Move trb deps directory which contains frozen artifacts outside of the bitcoin project directory. This will avoid unwanted removal of artifacts upon a `make clean`."
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski ben_vulpes and other vehicular inclined lords, do you have any thoughts on 2-wheeled transporters?
mod6: wear a helmet
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660326 << mod6 , i have adatronic block/tx parser, reencoder, done, mmaptron also! but put on hold to finish 'p' (aka 'tmsr rsa') ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 03:39 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624240 << regarding alf's suggestion here, is there any objection to adding this log link to ticket: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#6
mod6: ahh, ok. thats great news asciilifeform. just stick to what you're doing, all in good time.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660325 << fwiw and ftr i've spent ~0 brain cycles considering what to do if i break it, it is not imho likely. but learned a few things in the process. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 03:32 mircea_popescu: the stopping of talking in the tardsgroup is never suspicious. they talk at the margins, as per the "gotta say unsaid things" heuristic.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/333C19AC9348F53C27837C569881785696438308692D38352707CFB97411E521 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1406...3867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (p4FE7D377.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/333C19AC9348F53C27837C569881785696438308692D38352707CFB97411E521 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1445...4773 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (p4FE7D377.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. DE)
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: motorless is preferable. makes for stronger legs and leaves more skin attached to body.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> wear a helmet << plan for at least first 10 kilomiles
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But motorless doesn't sound like enraged lawnmower
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that's why you put in headphones for maximum soundtrack. you can then listen to anything in the world other than the pissed cars and pedestrians flipping you off after you cut them off
BingoBoingo: That doesn't sound much like oppressing others
pete_dushenski: motorless also has the advantage of being immune to road laws. it's like having diplomatic immunity
pete_dushenski: not quite http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654485 levels but you can at least run reds. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 15:40 mircea_popescu: let me point out that a) i visited, when i felt like ; b) they gave me a 10 year visa back in 2000. i was one of the i dunno, maybe dozen romanians with one, at the time ? c) they fucking held the embassy open while my driver was going 100 on the wrong way in bucharest because i met some friends and got to drinking and we lost track of time and we were late. eventually got a police escort to do it under color of law at least,
pete_dushenski: as an aside, this mircea_popescu retelling blows my feeble canadian mind no matter how many times i read it. i'm not sure there's been a single person in the history of this great arable land that's had an impromptu motorcade like that.
mircea_popescu: joining nato utterly ruined the place.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: is motorhelmet not required by law in mo ? or what happens after first 10 kilomiles ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: guess so
pete_dushenski: in other quantifiable tragedies, these are allegedly the quants who 'run wall street'. seriously sorry lot : https://archive.is/HU2Nn/dfc7e5f98f4d716186ceb87157295d37c231f5cb.jpg
pete_dushenski: via http://archive.is/HU2Nn
pete_dushenski is also researching helmet requirements. for track use, however.
pete_dushenski: spring is in the air!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: elaborate on 'few things'?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: very bad for the micromorts
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: not required anywhere really, most helmet laws have been repealed
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Seems excellent on micromorts, introduces some macromort opportunities
ben_vulpes: i roll my eyes at you sir
ben_vulpes: in other wats, the solar battery tender i bought from ebay showed up today, fulfilled by amazon
ben_vulpes: phone just went off, ebay wants me to know that the tender has shipped
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: yr looking to cut through traffic on 2 wheels or what
pete_dushenski: http://buffalonews.com/2017/05/22/police-england-report-fatalities-ariana-grande-concert/ <--> "strongly dislike pop-anything - from fast food to television."
pete_dushenski: all terrorists are alike i tells ya
mircea_popescu: i thought ariana grande was a model. she sings ?!
pete_dushenski: the odd song at least
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: tool around on back roads, fun in farm country, and intercontinental travel ability
mircea_popescu: by your very loose... standards, latrine on cartwheels may qualify for "intercontinental travel ability"
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: from experience, back roads have an absurdly high incidence of dipshits over the line in blind corners
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Around here backroads don't have lines
ben_vulpes: quittit
ben_vulpes: you know what i mean
mircea_popescu: the lines are optional neh ?
BingoBoingo: Yes, thanks to "chipsealing"
BingoBoingo: Anyways motorcycle seems like good way to practice steps 3 and 11
pete_dushenski: i thought chips went with fish, not seals
ben_vulpes: lol noshit
ben_vulpes: in re steps
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: read 'zen' ?
ben_vulpes: although the only conscious contact yr gonna develop is your ass against the pavement
ben_vulpes: motorbikes are excellent toys
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You do know they have 31337 ass armor nao?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: trip report!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: One can only have so much fun meditating
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: why not buy a shitty amcar from the nineties and practice drifting around those curves
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, still in information gathering phase, hence consulting esteemed lords
ben_vulpes: at least the inevitable pebkac is less likely to be lethal in that case
ben_vulpes: and i've been having such a good time reading qntra of late
ben_vulpes: oh subject of, BingoBoingo, "was heckled for being himself insufficiently vulgar language towards..."
ben_vulpes: surely you do not mean to imply that someone was heckling him for being vulgar language incarnate
ben_vulpes: and insufficiently so at that
BingoBoingo: ty ben_vulpes fxd
ben_vulpes: mhm
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2148.24, vol: 15616.18604563 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2170.0, vol: 15388.07427 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2122.1, vol: 53340.27299974 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2192.462451, vol: 25598.38300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2140.052, vol: 9718.07000306 | Volume-weighted last average: 2148.1813463
shinohai: !~step.3
jhvh1: shinohai: Error: "step.3" is not a valid command.
shinohai: !~step3
jhvh1: 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
shinohai: !~step4
jhvh1: 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo I also need lordly advice, what was the name for the whoreticulture blog you came up with?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
trinque hearing meatwot L2 derps becoming aware of bitcoin. which indicator is that again?
mircea_popescu: this is good for fiat!
trinque: must be, lol.
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking amusing to me, how derps always pretend like they got all the optionality and all the time in the world. hurr durr i'm some random chick, almost hot, almost smart ? clearly i don't have to jump on this guy the moment i see him. nah, let time pass, let me "figure things out", he'll still be here. then get all butthurt when "that slut" did EXACTLY what subs shopuld be doing. "omg she just jumped on him started t
mircea_popescu: hrowing her clothes off THAT SLUT!!!" orly ?
mircea_popescu: and it goes the same everywhere. hurr durr i'm poor but i trhink i;m smart. and i want bitcoin. mp made eulora ? you knopw what ? i'll fuck around with nothing in particular, see what uppity tortilla is going, there's plenty of time. mp will be around forever!!1
mircea_popescu: yes, he will, lol.
mircea_popescu: oh, #trilema ? whatever, let me just finish "correcting" these wikipedia articles. #trilema can wait.
mircea_popescu: suuure it can. and that total psychopath mp, how he beheads people for NO REASON!!!!
mircea_popescu: they were just...!
trinque: girl's a nanny to this derpy liberal fambly, shiftless dad says to breadwinner surgeon mother "something something web wallet oh also I have this shitty antminer". mother immediately asks "how will they tax it though". girl asks whether he actually holds the private keys, rolls eyes.
trinque: makes me proud.
mircea_popescu: lel
diana_coman: lol, it's ok; argentinians are/have been -happily! - waiting as well and they will keep at it indefinitely, what
mircea_popescu: that process has turned a country which cca 1950 was in the top 5, ABOVE CANADA, into something struggling to not be overtaken by the gabon.
mircea_popescu: and there is no rhetorical flourish in the above ; it is exact and correctly descriptive.
mircea_popescu: for as long as your antecessors accumulated fat lasts, you can pretend. after which, welcome to jobbagy, and complain to my asshole about "the unfairness of it all".
diana_coman: it's ok, I hear they got now a CS conference in Buenos Aires and they get therefore to steal participants' laptops,it's all a craze ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lel. you ever seen those fucks at a conference btw ?
mircea_popescu: total romania 1990, they attempt to steal the mic to talk about themselves.
trinque: I can't imagine it's unlike the pretenders at this or that javascript con
mircea_popescu: they got this narrative, that gotta be spun, that's the public activity.
diana_coman has recently been under a bit of avalanche of pictures from latest ICSE in Buenos Aires and she's SO HAPPY to not be there
mircea_popescu: exactly where ustards will end up. already are, what with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-22#1660148 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-22 17:44 asciilifeform: umd puts out a 'newspaper', also. at one time it was ~readable if a snore. today -- ~100% 'ohnoez campusrape, moarfunding'
mircea_popescu: you remember what i'm talking about, i'm sure.
diana_coman: and all the "they stole my laptop" "they entered conference rooms and tried to steal a laptop"
diana_coman: ah yes; and fwiw it's anyway still live and well in Ro as well
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: trinque it's somewhat unlike, in that it's a very specific stupidity, alligned, coherent. SASER if you will.
mircea_popescu: literally, there's some words in pre-glued structures that must be emitted with specified frequency or they get uncomfortable.
mircea_popescu: like chickens going prrrrr prrrr in their coop at night.
trinque: tribal chants eh?
mircea_popescu: yep.
mircea_popescu: anyway, working great for them, soberania & argentina no es un pais pobre ftw. meanwhile they ain't got two empanadas to rub together and uni profs are buying socks on credit.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> for as long as your antecessors accumulated fat lasts, you can pretend. after which, welcome to jobbagy, and complain to my asshole about "the unfairness of it all". <- well, fat of ancestors can only be eaten/spent, but not sustained without own muscle; so basically it makes sense: they are searching for their own *real* level/position as downwards as that might be; not as if they are aware of it or need be, bu
diana_coman: t that's how it goes
mod6: mornin'
diana_coman: morning mod6
mircea_popescu: quite so.
mod6: how's it goin diana_coman?
diana_coman: quite well,thanks; fighting the swamps of planeshit as usual these days
mircea_popescu: ALSO a fine example of the whole "happy while in denial"
diana_coman will be really happy when those are finally drained
mod6: yeah. it sounds awful.
diana_coman: in denial of what? they are happy because they are on the road to where they need to be; they don't know it/acknowledge it,so what difference does that make?
trinque: I dunno that so much agency is involved, though. These are the descendents of empty creatures that used to be animated by the flow of will from their owners.
trinque: well in the argie case, mixed with indigenous whatever, I guess.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman evidently.
mircea_popescu: trinque very much indigenous. see rosas, for instance. guy is EXACTLY a "bad tyrant" by the "our democracy" bestiary ; was ELECTED. with genuine majority.
mircea_popescu: by a people who had their head screwed on right.
mircea_popescu: only known similar example being soviet union. stalin - also elected. except rosas didn't actually behead his own lieutenants or all thje rest of the nonsense associated with stalinism. which is why they never fucking mention him.
trinque: might be racis, but the more tribal types always end up 1) out-fucking and 2) opting for dr prince james ibonga
mircea_popescu: im not sure there is such a thing as a tribal type. basically any group of hucows has some humans and some cows mixed in. what you call "tribal types" is where cows are biologically dominant. cultivate the population for a few generations, it's just as capable to northern italy 15cento as northern italy itself. which, if you decultivate for a few generations...etc.
mircea_popescu: the interplay between biological (ie, headcount) and political (ie, powerspeech count) domination in the hucow herd is ~the whole of history, anthropology, sociology etc.
trinque: aha, totally agree. was groping for same with "animated by will of superiors"
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: so it's rather nonsensical to say "blacks are dumb". if you spend a century killing the humans, you'll be left with mostly cows.
mircea_popescu: kinda what the russians were trying to do to the polish, re katyn etc.
mircea_popescu: smarter than zee germanz.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a reason every army prefers the enemy kill its infantry than it's officers -- and it's also how war improves the population.
trinque: a great aunt of mine, from oldschool italian family of some note, said to my mother "The air here is toxic to family."
trinque: not speaking there of the anglo notion of fambly
mircea_popescu: the only problem with such improvement is that the notion that "we shouldn't hafta die" becomes universal and then therefore...
trinque: maybe why I give too much weight to the biological; italians are racist as hell after all
trinque: were anyway, no such thing as italians here now
mircea_popescu: trinque aha! quite very much http://trilema.com/house-of-strangers
mircea_popescu: show it to your grandmother, she might appreciate.
trinque: dead
trinque: the lady I'm speaking of; grandfather would be the related one
mircea_popescu: well, if you see her.
trinque will have to check out
asciilifeform: trinque: biologically -- at least to naked eye -- ar folx are entirely european
trinque: I recall the smell of tragedy around the italian side of family; it was the gnarled vestige of something that would claim lineage back to old mancinus
asciilifeform: at least in the capital
mircea_popescu: ukrs, also.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: fuck, the chinese are starting to look european from behind.
trinque: successive compromises, gotta leave italy because lets not die in the street with mussolini, gotta leave new england because hierarchy is illegal, lets just wither here on this beach.
mircea_popescu suspects "looking european" is simply a placeholder for "looking like your entire fambly didn't starve since the day it was invented"
mircea_popescu: trinque should have gone to mexico. hierarchy does fine.
trinque: aha. didn't, and *entirely their fault*
mircea_popescu: nfi why the italians went to the us and to argentina, the socialist shitholes at the two ends of the continent.
trinque: I cannot believe the fucking squander
asciilifeform: btw why mircea_popescu not in mexico ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am a being of ~pure energy, my presence is chiefly nonphysical!
mircea_popescu: i like the weather here, what.
asciilifeform: lolk
mircea_popescu: +ticas tetonas. wtf, mexicans. i can buy saddlebags at the store.
trinque: asciilifeform: if considered earnestly I have to blame the clown-suit socialism and decadent descendents
trinque: though if danielpbarron's version caught on I'd much prefer that to teh alternatives
trinque: unbelievable rot flows out of this place "lakeway church" nearby, literally "give us your money and god will... like... manifest you some more"
mircea_popescu: tbh, cca 1880 it'd have been rather hard to predict us will simply check out, let the dumbest of the dumb handle affairs for a century.
trinque: path runs straight through all those idiot christian revivals
mircea_popescu: the unholy alliance of neoprotestant old men + bored housewives. horrible.
mircea_popescu: trinque quite so. the men permitted the women to betray the house of their master for "the house of the lord".
mircea_popescu: beyond fucking scandalous. should have whipped them face to face.
trinque: indeed, the way these women speak of Teh Lord is fraught with perverse sexuality. modern male cuck is her beloved son.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: fucking mary complex.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the retrospective correct analysis is, 1. you get a bunch of elite people get together (everyone who made the trip was elite -- else they couldn't afford the significant proceedings ; this includes the slaves, for the same reason -- if they weren't 10s nobody'd have taken them across and that's what in africa cca then it meant to be elite) ; 2. they have no way to communicate, for lack of language (because language
mircea_popescu: is very much http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 ). consequently a situation of "whoever forges common language first wins" and so therefore 4. idiotic derpage "bible" crap won BECAUSE it was the ~only common ground. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
mircea_popescu: if this does not prove bible is a poisonous, anti-human text which one follows to his perdition, nothing does.
asciilifeform: the plantators were , by all indications, aware of this
mircea_popescu: obviously the elite christian response would be to point out that the basis of unholy communion was in no sense the holy writ, but merely what every language recalled of it, which is to say they distilled all the holy out of the writ.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. nevertheless... unreliable item. (which is exactly catholic doctrine : "follow bible without priest, you'll go straight to hell in handbasked". it sounds absurd but then again it's lived history.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mebbe.
mircea_popescu: but just as whiskey was indian's bible, so was bible imigrants' whiskey.
trinque: I take in danielpbarron's, when he speaks of it, that it is a knotted rope with which he beats himself. the other folks babbling about it, it's a damned gold star of "I am god's child"
mircea_popescu: actual alcohol couldn't have gotten them, caucasians are used to it.
trinque: former's sort of an odd "I will wear weighted clothing and thus be stronger"... the "forgiveness of sin" thing I suppose lets one take the weights off time to time.
trinque: I can also see the wisdom in seeing oneself as by nature, a lying sack of shit, requiring discipline to forge a human from the clay.
trinque: none of this is present in Christ (TM)
mircea_popescu: people are born quite dirty, what can you do. gotta wash all the guts, mucus and shit off somehow.
asciilifeform: related lulz, https://archive.is/QmdqD
mircea_popescu: 18yo ?
asciilifeform: 'Arthurs said all of them shared neo-Nazi beliefs but he later converted to Islam and killed the roommates because they disrespected his faith'
mircea_popescu: lol ahahaha. "Arthurs said all of them shared neo-Nazi beliefs but he later converted to Islam and killed the roommates because they disrespected his faith, the report states."
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: check that out islamneonazi. alakhu snackbar!
trinque: > his muslim countries
trinque: bahaha
trinque: god the kids are bored today.
mircea_popescu: country of africa (good) ; country of muslim (neonazi) ; country of russia (spies) ; country of china (daddy!) ; country of our democracy.
mircea_popescu: the five provinces of the world. wu shu or w/e it';s called.
mircea_popescu: for instance : the reason for eg, "trump is nazi" narrative is possibly mostly based on the observation that country of russia bothers and disturbs country of our democracy just like country of muslim bothers and disturbs the good country of africa and therefore the russians must be nazis and probably the muslims are also spies! notwithstanding that they have serious problems with comprehending basic crypto etc. trump must be
mircea_popescu: a nazi because reasoning through simile!
mircea_popescu: which is the true boon of democracy : if everyone must be a people because they look kinda like one, then everything must be something else because it vaguely looks like it, and welcome to the dark ages.
asciilifeform: but where will the cynocephali live
mircea_popescu: there is no room for cynocephaly in modern world!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660423 << lol, moar rms ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 13:18 diana_coman: it's ok, I hear they got now a CS conference in Buenos Aires and they get therefore to steal participants' laptops,it's all a craze
asciilifeform: ( famously, d00d lost his now-unobtainable 'loonson' box this way )
asciilifeform: *loongson
diana_coman: ahahah, perhaps they'll have a special conf session re moar rms ppl!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-11#1049087 << see also ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-03-11 18:38 ascii_field: http://www.devthought.com/2012/06/09/richard-stallman-robbed-in-argentina << vintage lulz
diana_coman: they were distributing some staff from canada's travel recommendations re "stay safe in argentina" for some reason; apparently some "laptop-stealing exercises" were quite well-planned as in 2-3 people, goop on the target's backpack, "helping" etc
mircea_popescu: in other random bounties of the sexual fronteer : http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/1946329/details.htm
mircea_popescu: chick has a skype, AND a tox thing (it's in the logs) AND a "ricochet" item which i never saw before but seems to make some tall claims.
mircea_popescu: if anyone feels like investigating.
asciilifeform: 'Whether it's corporations or governments, digital surveillance today is widespread. Tox is easy-to-use software that connects you with friends and family without anyone else listening in. ' << lol!!
asciilifeform: yet another multicolourphone!!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, ~everyone there wears their rucksacks in front like total fucking retards (the REASON that type of bag was invented by zee germanz, and the reason it became popular esp for schoolkids, is that it leverages the weight to improve posture. IF you weart it correctly.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not tox, the other one. tox we already lulzed at.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the linked piece cites 'qtox'
asciilifeform: so, it.
mircea_popescu: ...
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that must be the "solution" argentine style: they can't steal it now nananana
asciilifeform: 'qTox: 93C0DEFA0C017B9DF3EEA.........'
mircea_popescu: aaand ?
mircea_popescu: if we scropll down a leetal ?
asciilifeform: black text, 'toilet, prisoner,non consensual, kidnap, chained, caged, urinal, piss, spit, suck, slave, capture, bondage, extreme, abuse, sex, sexual, animal, pig, sub-human, subhuman, inferior, lick, mouth, pathetic, bitch, stupid, worthless, snuff, obedience, loyalty, dog, fun, pleasure, service, servitude, b&d, s&m, knine,submission, slave, sub.'
asciilifeform: is all i get
mircea_popescu: no ricochet:w3crim4z7vd4yskd on your page ?
asciilifeform: well yes, but that's a scroll-UP
asciilifeform: ( are the arrows reversed on mircea_popescu's planet.. )
mircea_popescu: check him out, i give him the string to grep, he doesn't, then wants me to control his viewport.
asciilifeform: perplexed by 'scroll down', lol
mircea_popescu: it's shorthand for look deeper!
asciilifeform: but yes , 2 crackpot faux-ircs
mircea_popescu: did you look into anything or just being perplexed.
asciilifeform: ( to asciilifeform , 'ricochet' is still that ancient modem thing )
asciilifeform looks...
asciilifeform: 'Ricochet uses the Tor network to reach your contacts without relying on messaging servers. It creates a hidden service, which is used to rendezvous with your contacts without revealing your location or IP address.'
asciilifeform: lol.
mircea_popescu: seems a sort of gossipd-over-tor
asciilifeform: onion, no less
asciilifeform: a la sr.
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet/blob/master/doc/design.md for archival
asciilifeform: snoar
mircea_popescu: we even had the dude's pgp.
mircea_popescu: you're terrible.
mircea_popescu: anyway, their contact scheme (summarized/cleanned up : cookie + pubkey + signature with same pubkey) is not terrible. uses rsa, which is a +.
mircea_popescu: contact id based on pubkey, i have nfi why they think it dun leak metadata ; also no idea why they bundled tor in it.
mircea_popescu: project seems well abandoned though.
asciilifeform: lol, even tor used rsa
BingoBoingo: shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-05#1622391 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-05 18:20 BingoBoingo: shinohai: Have you considered starting a something to get some editorial experience? Perhaps you can be the publisher of "The Most Serene Republic's Journal Of Gardening And Whoreticulture"?
shinohai: Aha! That was it
mod6: wb
mircea_popescu: ty :)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/130677BB02BE2C83C98B0C3E1B00C45BB13A2FFF7FA624C2B2D4C7FCB3D115C3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1433...1037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ( US NE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/130677BB02BE2C83C98B0C3E1B00C45BB13A2FFF7FA624C2B2D4C7FCB3D115C3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1702...6917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ( US NE)
asciilifeform: in other lulphones, https://www.connect.im
asciilifeform: fauxpgp, fauxwot, fauxwallet, all in 1!!
Framedragger: heh they describe the key negotiation etc in sorta-detail on their website, which is probably *a first* https://www.connect.im/faqs?faq_category_id=5 i mean, don't use this, but it's refreshing to see this (in broken english no less lol)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the 'our code in github' link goes nowhere
Framedragger: lol
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF8C6925459B8C7F30E8CDBFCBE637E885CDF9DB48FF7D06DCB9DE2D86DCEDA8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1567...6787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-200-105-176-186.acelerate.net. BO L)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF8C6925459B8C7F30E8CDBFCBE637E885CDF9DB48FF7D06DCB9DE2D86DCEDA8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...4829 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-200-105-176-186.acelerate.net. BO L)
asciilifeform: MEANWHILE!
asciilifeform: compared performance of 'kindergarten' multiplier ( halfword at a time, uses machine's MUL instr. which apparently IS constant-time on x86 (but NOT on arm! would need test routine at warmup to establish if can use MUL ) )
asciilifeform: halfword, rather than word, at a time, because of the idiocy of compilers, which LOSE the carry flag (see last 4 or so threads re subj)
asciilifeform: so to get X * Y -> product, carry
asciilifeform: gotta split X and Y into half-words, and multiply a half-word at a time, into a word-sized space
asciilifeform: and take upper half of THAT, as carry.
asciilifeform: anyway this is substantially faster than ancient egyptian mul, ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659223 turns into 0.35 s ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 17:27 asciilifeform: 2048 bit : ~10s
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659228 turns into 20.5s. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 17:37 asciilifeform: 10 minutes.
asciilifeform: after karatsubaization, this oughta become an actually manageable figure.
asciilifeform: (20+s ~ordinary~ exponentiation is still a ~month-long rsa keygen)
mod6: asciilifeform: ah!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660604 << unsurprising, also. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 18:37 asciilifeform: anyway this is substantially faster than ancient egyptian mul,
asciilifeform: not surprising at all, 32x faster (for quite elementary reason)
asciilifeform: entirely same thing, but crunches 32b (on 64b box) at a time, rather than 1
ben_vulpes: btcalpha down
ben_vulpes: rip mike_c
mircea_popescu: sux.
asciilifeform takes off hat.
mod6 bows head
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/s-a-furat-mireasa/ << Trilema - S-a furat mireasa
shinohai makes trumpet noises with cheeks ...
shinohai: I actually like trinque 's wot viewer better tho
asciilifeform: aaaha, esp. the not-being-frozen-in-time aspect
shinohai: ^
Framedragger: that's so crazy, literally ~5h ago i visited http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/panacea-opens-the-books/ through some link on trilema or somewhere
Framedragger: rip :(
ben_vulpes: someone broke the toilet i fixed
ben_vulpes: this means WAR
ben_vulpes: the pass-ag war of the toilets
asciilifeform: where was this, ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: miserable pile of bricks in which i rent cubic feet for parking of butt while toiling in the mines
Framedragger: sounds like bukowski "post office", just 100x less alcohol and more brain
ben_vulpes: don't forget the pr0n
trinque: y'all shooting porn in there now? artsy
ben_vulpes: vault is brickly aesthetic and tittilating
Framedragger: (here's a random good song with related title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHj0VBCP54)
ben_vulpes: this is very...thumpy
trinque: m'yeah, I always thought "computer music" was an invitation for *more* creative beat
ben_vulpes: and boopy
ben_vulpes frowns
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHkUg-QCwk << ejemplo
ben_vulpes: nah, i'm in a death metal and pilsner sort of mood
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0NnWt/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why are you so preoccupied with toilets, anyway
ben_vulpes: it is a very /annoying/ and /present/ tell of how far this civilization has fallen.
ben_vulpes: failure to maintain capital equipment, failure to give a shit about basic amenities you know working...
mircea_popescu: in fairness i never met a 20something usian who could fix a toilet.
ben_vulpes: yeah which is its own indictment of the place
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who could ? or who ~would~ ?
mircea_popescu: wait until i point out i've never met anyone under 30 who both spoke english and could properly butcher a goat.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could. i have this magic want which takes the "would" away.
ben_vulpes: it's not just that nobody bothers to fix the toilets, it's that they literally /cannot/, would rather prattle on at city council about implementing new taxes to pay for urban community gardens to feed the poor kale or what the fuck ever eudaly wants to wank off to this week
shinohai: Simple, we use our feces to fertilize garden and therefore need no toilets!
mircea_popescu: glwt.
mircea_popescu: i hear it made india fabulously wealthy.
shinohai: hue
phf: they totally would, like, you know, if they had to!
asciilifeform: asciilifeform can't easily picture an adult man , with two hands, who could not fix toilet
asciilifeform: on other hand, i've never owned an entire goat, so cannot claim to be first class goat cook.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever seen that great bunuel film, "the exterminating angel" ?
asciilifeform: nein
mircea_popescu: prior to modernity, one could also not easily picture adult man, with two legs, who could not leave the fucking room.
mircea_popescu: but as it is, the problem'd be that their mental object for a toilet does NOT EVEN FUCKING HAVE THE OPENABLE PROPERTY.
mircea_popescu: what fucking fix. they can't open it anymore than they can fuck the woman on the deserted island. "nobody to introduce us!!1" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: what, you thought http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-20#1659774 was a joke ? it was no fucking joke. the price of ipads is imbecility. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-20 19:16 mircea_popescu: Framedragger come to think about it, the logic actually follows. nature is red in tooth and claw. the hysteria of "removing the red from nature's tooth and claw", usually sold by the "our democracy" lunatics as "rule of law" or equivalent, directly runs all the way to "male penis is not reproductive organ but social construct".
asciilifeform: by same logic price of toilet may very well be imbecility
asciilifeform: ('the answer lies in the sewers' !! )
mircea_popescu: rather.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, let's phrase it in ourdemocracy terms, "you don't need computers if you did nothing wrong" or however it went.
mircea_popescu: if the toilet worked it wouldn't need fixing!
asciilifeform: hey, dunlookatme, i reccfltube my eizos...
asciilifeform: everything-has-openable-property
asciilifeform read the selfappendectomy d00d's adventures with envious eye
mircea_popescu: it's not so surprising that people who can't fix toilet buy intel chips. "Everyone else does!!1"
ben_vulpes: holy shit
ben_vulpes: chain was wrapped around arm
mod6: what's a ballcock anyway?!!
ben_vulpes: toilet bore a handy, nearly legible scribble, "do not use, broken. signed - janitor"
ben_vulpes: astonishing degree of learned helplessness.