assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21518 @ 0.00027 = 5.8099 BTC [-]
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBiIB7 )
nubbins`: ^ with asciilifeform's kill-integer and dns-snip patches
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025475 / 0.0002719 (11285618 shares, 2,875.10 BTC), 7D: 0.00022189 / 0.00025956 / 0.00028207 (45012775 shares, 11,683.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028991 / 0.0004493 (104171490 shares, 30,200.60 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC)
nubbins`: i'm not sure if this is confined to my system or not, asciilifeform mod6 danielpbarron ben_vulpes et al
nubbins`: but the local build of openssl doesn't copy its includes over to the ourlibs dir
nubbins`: simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pHmyM0FE
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBiRo2 )
nubbins`: my darwin build put 'em in the right place
ben_vulpes: my debian as well
ben_vulpes: if i recall correctly - it's been a few days
nubbins`: samesies, but i think i'd remember doing this
nubbins`: i'm gonna pastebin my entire build if anyone feels like digging w/ me
nubbins`: oh, too big.
cazalla: https://coinreport.net/antagonist-bitcoin/ first sentence paragraph lol
assbot: CoinReport The Antagonist of Bitcoin - CoinReport ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlDOpm )
cazalla: who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: "Bryce and I have an esoteric, and funny, similarity. We mutually disdain Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu. This is how we start our conversation."
nubbins`: this should be rich
punkman: maybe it's a late april fool's joke?
nubbins`: “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.”
punkman: "He tells his EVUE dream of a RIAA-approved blockchain system that will allow users to keep track of digital content and freely transfer it via internet platforms (i.e. Spotify, iTunes, Windows Media). “People will be able to keep their digital content for life,”"
punkman: my non-riaa-approved content will work just fine in 2115
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124970 @ 0.00027 = 33.7419 BTC [-]
nubbins`: hmm
nubbins`: i feel like this is a facebook post, but on a website
nubbins`: i.e.relevant to the two guys in it, and maybe in passing to some of their friends or family
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's a cryptographer nao?
ben_vulpes: first a girl, now a cryptographer?
ben_vulpes: i guess that's what they call anyone who understands math these days.
ben_vulpes: "The project will be a massive undertaking requiring a large seed investment. "
ben_vulpes: huehuehuehu i got a large seed investment for ya right here buddy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.0002719 = 1.8897 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: bryce will also tell you that reputation doesn't matter either.
ben_vulpes: HYU
funkenstein_: mega lulz, where to start?
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/silk-road-sealed-document-dump-day-full-text/
danielpbarron: "I design blockchains to have purpose. I want the open-source, decentralized DNM to succeed so I can use my RZR coins to buy weed," quips Bryce.
danielpbarron: does he not have punk kids all over downtown to provide this service??
danielpbarron: when has it ever been difficult to score weed, seriously
BingoBoingo: !up Cogburn
Cogburn: thanks :)
Cogburn: I'm Bryce Weiner :)
danielpbarron: do you gpg?
cazalla: i'm president obama
Cogburn: oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me
ben_vulpes: can't trust ya tho
ben_vulpes: welcome to the new world order
ben_vulpes: get your keys sorted, boss
danielpbarron: Cogburn, why do you hate mircea_popescu ?
trinque: "You think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?"
Cogburn: i don't
Cogburn: i dunno why people think that
Cogburn: we disagree. that's not hate.
Cogburn: adults can disagree
Cogburn: dialectic and all that
cazalla: going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him
danielpbarron: ok why do you disdain him?
danielpbarron: why is he beneath you?
Cogburn: going by the article garret has an axe to grind with him :)
Cogburn: nobody is beneath me. where do you guys get this stuff?
danielpbarron: well he suggested that the sentiment is mutual between you two
Cogburn: he would be wrong
Cogburn: :)
BingoBoingo: Cogburn: Well garret lost people a bunch of money with his Surf Captial Management thing
Cogburn: that would only be one way
danielpbarron: i did a google search for the word "disdain" and got the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt.
danielpbarron: and contempt: the feeling that a person or a thing is beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn.
BingoBoingo: And Garrett may or may not also be Garr255 of the Cognitive Mining tire fire
Cogburn: i have never expressed disdain. i have expressed passionate disagreement. that's what consensus is about. like the old days of the greek republics arguing the issues of the day on the senate steps
BingoBoingo: Cogburn: Would you nick happen to be a reference to Rooster Cogburn?
Cogburn: those are garrets words, not quotes
Cogburn: Yes, it is.
cazalla: fuck u scoopbot! http://qntra.net/2015/04/federal-agent-sells-firearms-via-darknet-market/
assbot: Federal Agent Sells Firearms Via Darknet Market | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWX6Be )
BingoBoingo: Sweet
cazalla: Cogburn, maybe you should take that up with the surfs up guy instead of us? he wrote it afterall
ben_vulpes: Cogburn: get in the wot?
Cogburn: here's my key ID
ben_vulpes: just so's i can take ye seriously?
Cogburn: had to dig that shit out
Cogburn: 26F3050C
danielpbarron: Cogburn, tell it to assbot
danielpbarron: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
ben_vulpes: Cogburn: you savvy wot?
Cogburn: danke
funkenstein_: i'm interested in riaacoin
Cogburn: who isn't :)
Cogburn: its not alt. it's bitcoin
danielpbarron: "I've developed what I call a Bitcoin Circadian Rhythm. I've noticed my body has begun aligning itself with the 10-minute block time of the Bitcoin Blockchain." << lolol
Cogburn: total misquote
Cogburn: but what are ya gonna do
ben_vulpes: negrate the fucker
ben_vulpes: if you're in the wot that is
Cogburn: i think WoT's are kinda culty
danielpbarron: so when you tweeted this article, you were using the hashtag "#awesome" in a sarcastic manner?
Cogburn: I think it's awesome when people say my name. :)
trinque: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2213JV8.txt )
trinque: those two lines in succession made me lol
Cogburn: :)
BingoBoingo: <Cogburn> i think WoT's are kinda culty << It makes a decent shit filter though. The postitive ratings often are no where near as informative as the reasons for the negative ratings
Cogburn: gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone.
Cogburn: trustless systems are for people with trust issues
Cogburn: :)
danielpbarron stabs Cogburn
danielpbarron: you know who gives really warm handshakes? scammers.
Cogburn: i dunno. i shook josh garza's hand. unimpressed.
danielpbarron: the same people who always have an explaination at the ready as to why they don't like WoTs
BingoBoingo: Cogburn: Score are the least important thing about a WoT, walking the graph and reading the feedback is
funkenstein_: for the record, i still think you're trolling us :)
Cogburn: not at all
Cogburn: I'm here specifically to remove that misconception
cazalla: Cogburn, it's not so much the wot that can be gamed but yourself
trinque: depends I think as well on initial conditions a great deal.
Cogburn: I do agree with everything MP says, but I do respect him. that's sort of a necessary component of dialectic.
Cogburn: *do not agree
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: It's not that he's trolling. He's stuck in a wilder wester place
Cogburn: We don't all have to agree.
Cogburn: The consensus can be "go fuck yourself"
Cogburn: :)
BingoBoingo: Disagreement is the most valuable thing in the world, especially when its informed
Cogburn: ^
Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no"
Cogburn: *by using
funkenstein_: itunes
cazalla: Cogburn, do you read the logs? you seem to have joined pretty quickly after my mentioning of that lulzy article
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Everyone reads the logs
danielpbarron: i told him to join
Cogburn: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/583802621011501056
assbot: The Antagonist of /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hashhttp://t.co/j9a3G5bvDS via /CoinReportNews/hashtag/Awesome?src=hash
Cogburn: I was invited and I accepted :)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: And if they don't danielpbarron offers them the chance
Cogburn: I do not go where I am not wanted. I'll talk with anyone who wants to talk.
danielpbarron: yeah well you're wearing out my patience with all the spammy smily faces
funkenstein_: do you use itunes?
cazalla: ah, fair enough then
funkenstein_: any of you?
Cogburn: i smile all the time. don't be so grumpy
danielpbarron: and so far all you have to say might as well have been copy pasted from the top comment on a reddit post
BingoBoingo: !up CryptoDustin
Cogburn: Maybe.. but it's my post and my thoughts and you're the one reading articles about me and bitching, so there is that
CryptoDustin: <3
Cogburn: MP doesn't have the market cornered on being crazy. some of us are just fucking nuts as he is. just not as rich. yet.
danielpbarron: who says he is crazy?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: He's going off in a way we find weird. Maybe it ends up kinda fruitful.
Cogburn: many people. i fully support his threat to fork bitcoin if gavin's block expansion goes through. he's 100% correct that it is an economic alteration to the network and not simple technical
danielpbarron: what?? he has threatened no such thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00027 = 13.8105 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: gavin is the one threatening a fork
Cogburn: ... i'm pretty sure he did
Cogburn: gavin has the keys. he's "that guy"
danielpbarron: what keys?
Cogburn: that's metaphorical
danielpbarron: the ones snipped from the code because they mean nothing?
trinque: Cogburn: with nothing grounding it to reality
Cogburn: that's right
danielpbarron: http://thebitcoin.foundation/turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCnJeK )
Cogburn: it's 100% bullshit
Cogburn: that's why MP is right
BingoBoingo: Cogburn> gavin has the keys. he's "that guy" << Thermos also has a copy of the "Keys"
Cogburn: poor choice of words on my part
trinque: no problem, but that is the core of the issue
trinque: these clowns are no more "the bitcoin guys" than anyone else
danielpbarron: gavin has the attention poor people who think that talking about bitcoin makes them a part of it somehow
Cogburn: pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client?
funkenstein_: Alert keys. I hope somebody pushes a cosbycoin message through someday :)
Cogburn: it gets really existential really quickly
danielpbarron: Cogburn, the reference client is here
danielpbarron: not github
funkenstein_: what is the internet if not microsoft IE?
Cogburn: there's an article from late 2013 and i wish i could find it entitled "What if Bitcoin turned Evil?"
Cogburn: 21.co get $120m to make ASICs
Cogburn: let's say they end up to comprise 70% of the network
Cogburn: and add 100m coins
danielpbarron: if you think socialism is good, then bitcoin is evil to you
Cogburn: what are you gonna do about it?
funkenstein_: reject the blocks
danielpbarron: i'm gonna keep running my node that ignores their invalid blocks
Cogburn: so there's now 2 bitcoins
danielpbarron: do i care that hundreds of altcoins exist? nope.
trinque: yes but which diverged?
Cogburn: according to consensus, the 70% wins, right?
danielpbarron: well seeing as how i'm using a node which didn't change rules..
Cogburn: but that's a single entity
funkenstein_: $120m to make orphans
funkenstein_: what's next an riaa-controlled blockchain?
danielpbarron: the consensus of whom? you still have to sell those 100m coins
Cogburn: Looking deeper, that's a silicon valley brain child
BingoBoingo: <Cogburn> according to consensus, the 70% wins, right? << The beautiful thing about concensus is how many releases have been make since $100+ BTC which must agree
Cogburn: that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain
danielpbarron: good for them. seriously good riddance
danielpbarron: they can have their USGcoin
trinque: and if the economic implications of their fork eventually make the thing worthless, the original will have the posture towards it that it has towards fiat
danielpbarron: !up Cogburn
danielpbarron: get in the WoT would ya
Cogburn: No
Cogburn: Hehe
Cogburn: I truly hope MP is interested in this because if he wanted to compete with 21.co I would be very down to help.
danielpbarron: if you want to help, the first step is getting in the WoT
trinque: Cogburn: ...sounds like a great reason to register so that you may retain voice and discuss that with him
danielpbarron: that is no optional
danielpbarron: Cogburn, http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/
assbot: IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCpgkR )
Cogburn: aww that's really cute
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13817 @ 0.00027026 = 3.7342 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Cogburn: As someone else from the borderlands between the middle west and the middle south of the US I swear the WoT doesn't hurt that much
Cogburn: However I'm already 32 degree freemason, so thank you but no thank you
trinque: ^ cold mothafucka
Cogburn: You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right?
Cogburn: You sacrifice anonymity?
danielpbarron: lol.
Cogburn: I'm okay with just a quick visit.
BingoBoingo: <Cogburn> You sacrifice anonymity? << You also gain insurance
Cogburn: For what? People come to my coffee house from bitcoin every few months.
trinque: no one connected to the internet on any device that exists has anonymity
Cogburn: You're welcome, too
danielpbarron: anonymity is overrated, and it isn't for the poor anyway
BingoBoingo: Cogburn: Did you not see mircea_popescu's insurance policy against Obola seizures?
Cogburn: anonymity is a choice
danielpbarron: and nobody is forcing you to register your slave name
BingoBoingo: Cogburn: I mean you did Changetip ISIS...
trinque: loooooool
Cogburn: hahahaha
BingoBoingo: Cogburn: Of all people you might have an interest in sticking your head out here from time to time and getting friendly with people.
BingoBoingo: !b 4
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Y027Q5.txt )
asciilifeform: lol what even is this.
danielpbarron: some guy who thinks he is a big name in bitcoin but needs to acknowledge that he is currently a nobody in the realm that counts
asciilifeform: <nubbins`> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEsMZtmE << this is actually -correct- behaviour - barfs instead of pulling in system's ssl headers
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCr4un )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> lol what even is this. << Rooster Cogburn's a Marshall on the altcoin wild west
Cogburn: I am very friendly. I was invited and I showed up.
Cogburn: I do have things to do
asciilifeform: <nubbins`> simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t ... << aaaaand this is where my patch in turn b0rks the thing. 'the doctor cured the patient's ear, but did poke out an eye, i fear'
Cogburn: There's always twitter
funkenstein_: thanks for stopping by
asciilifeform: 'Romanian cryptographer Mircea Popescu...' << l0l
Cogburn: it's a pleasure. i'm glad i did. i didn't realize that people thought i hated MP or something. I don't hate anyone. Life is too short.
BingoBoingo: <Cogburn> There's always twitter << Stop by again. Just remember on Twitter danielpbarron tends to bite harder than here.
asciilifeform: Cogburn: where do you know (?) mircea_popescu from ?
Cogburn: being critical isn't hate. i'm not above being criticized. I do and say dumb shit like anyone does. I'm also kinda nuts.
cazalla: Cogburn, it's your friend who gave such an impression, not us
Cogburn: shut happens
Cogburn: *shit
danielpbarron: when condensing thoughts into 140 characters i tend to chop out the nice sounding bits leaving only the necessary harsh words
Cogburn: twitter is like conversation in haiku
trinque: Cogburn: I'm still waiting on an elaboration of this disagreement
Cogburn: MP and I had a little row at the end of 2013 and I think that's where it stemmed from
asciilifeform: <Cogburn> pun intended? what is bitcoin if not the core reference client? << actually Cogburn is right. it very much -is- the reference client. which lives here: http://therealbitcoin.org
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBlXID )
Cogburn: I literally cannot remember the context
Cogburn: I have no idea what we were talking about
danielpbarron: when in doubt, check the log -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085254 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:30:49; Cogburn: we disagree. that's not hate.
asciilifeform: but could not remember what disagreed about ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00027 = 6.966 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !s Bryce
assbot: 5 results for 'Bryce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Bryce
Cogburn: i remember the disagreement. there was someone else in it too... i can't remember
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533483 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 21:09:12; mircea_popescu: anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ?
Cogburn: i just don't remember what it was about. some esoteric point of anarcho capitalism or some such.
Cogburn: awww
Cogburn: <3
BingoBoingo: Things happen, hopefully people learn
asciilifeform: <Cogburn> You know the WoT is basically forensic evidence, right? << it's more of a signed confession than 'forensic' anything. like the american 'declaration of independence.' 'we hang together or hang separately,' etc.
Cogburn: fair
Cogburn: I'll consider it.
Cogburn: I hadn't seen it expressed that way before
asciilifeform: <Cogburn> that means all those buddies in palo alto that everyone uses will fork to that chain << have you ever seen a tram in the third world ?
asciilifeform: or a train
asciilifeform: notice all the folks hanging off the sides, on the roof ?
asciilifeform: now, are they 'passengers' ?
Cogburn: Let's assume my RIAA project is real. Let's assume it happens, and partners with TIDAL for content provision. If 1,000,000 people listen to 3 minute songs for 1 hour, that's 3,000,000+ TX per block in microtransactions.
asciilifeform: and, do the folks -inside- - who paid for their tickets - need them for anything? does the train need them ?
Cogburn: I understand your analogy better than you think.
asciilifeform: Cogburn: there are more lucrative ways to fleece idiots, you know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31638 @ 0.00027 = 8.5423 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al.
asciilifeform: and am not alone in this.
asciilifeform: especially if the sum gets subtracted in human flesh.
funkenstein_: george clinton would agree
Cogburn: I understand. I also appreciate where it is that I say these things.
Cogburn: This is not what I would call a "receptive audience" to my idea.
Cogburn: When we announce officially, I will come back and AMA
mod6: asciilifeform: so, If I wanna play around, I should try gxemul before qemu?
asciilifeform: the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business
asciilifeform: instead of residing in extermination camps.
Cogburn: I think that RIAA is tired of getting fucked by new technology and drank their own koolaid.
Cogburn: I could be wrong.
funkenstein_: musicians are also tired of getting fucked by the riaa
Cogburn: everyone is tired of getting fucked
Cogburn: that's kinda the point
funkenstein_: lol
Cogburn: we can fix that
Cogburn: that's what my project aims to do
BingoBoingo impressed there is so much lag between axe time and sword time
asciilifeform: Cogburn: from what i read so far, it seems like your 'fix' still involves armed thugs threatening murder to create a 'market.'
Cogburn: if things are going to change, we first have to stop getting fuced
Cogburn: *fucked
Cogburn: stop fucking over each other
Cogburn: then things just change on their own
Cogburn: nice and easy
asciilifeform: pass the lsd plz.
trinque: like that time in history where things went nice and easy
Cogburn: Rome
Cogburn: Say what you want, it fucking worked.
danielpbarron: ah, so you are also in favor of slavery?
asciilifeform: Cogburn: worked -when- ?
Cogburn: how's your paycheck?
Cogburn: are you self employed?
asciilifeform: Cogburn: please specify -when- rome 'worked'
Cogburn: don't talk to me of slavery if you are paid a wage
danielpbarron: i am in favor of slavery
BingoBoingo: Garret Kierns for the record https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58893
assbot: View the profile of Surf Capital Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCutJp )
Cogburn: slavery in our time is a choice
Cogburn: i'm okay with that, so long as there is a choice
danielpbarron: it's always a choice.. between doing as your master says or being beaten
danielpbarron: or starving to death in the wilderness
Cogburn: I appreciate some people just don't want to deal with some shit. That doesn't make them bad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00027 = 7.695 BTC [-]
trinque: I think ultimately people will choose whatever gives them the best life, and the sad current condition is that this is what they've chosen, because this is all they can see.
Cogburn: I think you're right.
trinque: now, how do you demonstrate that there's a different way of being, defining the world, etc
danielpbarron: slavery isn't the problem with the current state of affairs; it's this mentality of "i should get to eat while also talking back to my master" that has to go
trinque: many ways, probably. but I think it's naive to think that transition happens all nice and easy like
asciilifeform: !up Cogburn
Cogburn: Thank you
Cogburn: I think those of us who get this blockchain bitcoin magic internet money bullshit have the opportunity to demonstrate and lead by example. Quite frankly IDGAF if MP is crazy or I disagree. I think he's doing it right. I think he knows he's doing it right, too :)
Cogburn: It's a tool that provides an opportunity to do something truly different with the world. To take advantage, we must be different.
asciilifeform: Cogburn: i'm rather curious re: what you believe mircea_popescu is doing. 'right' or otherwise.
Cogburn: Leading by example.
Cogburn: "This is my way. Like, don't like, DGAF."
Cogburn: A choice.
asciilifeform: Cogburn: and which 'way' is that ?
asciilifeform: i mean, what does it concretely mean, in your mind
Cogburn: Dunno. Not my problem. I know he has one. I know he's passionate about it. That's what I think is important. The rest is how history will remember our efforts.
asciilifeform: let's say i said 'i think dijkstra was doing it right.' that would imply that i am in favour of structured programming, against the use of 'goto', and in favour of 99.999% of programming students being flunked and similar fraction of the practitioners of that profession - being fired.
asciilifeform: if i say that i -disagree- with dijkstra - then i do not believe these things.
Cogburn: I'm an order out of chaos sort of guy.
Cogburn: I see what's going on. No issues from me.
mircea_popescu: dude who the hell raped the logs.
asciilifeform: Cogburn: are you able to describe even one of the concepts you agree or disagree with mircea_popescu about? or do you just dislike his beard ?
asciilifeform: am i talking to a perl script ?
asciilifeform: late 4/1 joke ?
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone ever got rms' new autoreply ? the one where he goes "i'm on a 48 hour delay like mpex" ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Bryce showed up
mircea_popescu: who ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms' autoreply << never got, but the 48 hour thing is not, afaik, new. he has someone read the mail and pass it on (or not)
BingoBoingo: !s Bryce
assbot: 5 results for 'Bryce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Bryce
Cogburn: Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you
asciilifeform: Cogburn: so was it the beard ? or an actual position ?
Cogburn: I apparently did an interview with a blogger antagonistic to you and I wanted to clarify any guilt by association
Cogburn: Okay. I did not ever think that bitcoin would outperform BH.
mircea_popescu: interview ? who for ? wut ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: With Surf Captial Management kid
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084140 << magically, i have never seen any of this irl
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 14:59:47; asciilifeform: what a crock of shit!
mircea_popescu: where is this thing used by millions ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'used' has a very peculiar meaning here
asciilifeform: sorta like high fructose syrup is 'used'
danielpbarron: cazalla, Patch.com reports the arrest of a Massachusetts man who sort to purchase a firearm << should be "sought to purchase" ?
asciilifeform: as in, fed to unsuspecting bipedal cattle
cazalla: danielpbarron, ty
mircea_popescu: but i never seen one.
mircea_popescu: how does it even work, you hash the "public key" and then multiply it with something ? sorta halfass rsa ?
cazalla: <Cogburn> Hahahah we had a twitter fight a year ago and people think i hate you <<< not people, your friend from coinwhatever website
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since it isn't an actual cryptosystem, you will never -see- it. instead, the bank account of that clown and his university 'sees' the royalties from idiot usg affiliates proclaiming to 'use' it.
mircea_popescu: ah one of those. mkay.
asciilifeform: http://www.voltage.com/technology/identity-based-encryption << him
assbot: Identity-Based Encryption (IBE), Boneh-Franklin Algorithm, Private Key Generation, Key Certificates, Cryptography Methods | Voltage Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCxycx )
mircea_popescu: not that the idea is without merit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21184 @ 0.00027029 = 5.7258 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 1) idiot generates a 'public key' by his email, or name, being hashed
mircea_popescu: any random string being hashable, any random string could be used as a pubkey, in principle. may take some work to mine a usable privkey to go with it, but...
asciilifeform: 2) usg generates a private key to 'go with' the public
asciilifeform: by virtue of the hash being malleable
asciilifeform: then they live happily ever after
asciilifeform: in buttfuck embrace
mircea_popescu: lol how is this encryption
asciilifeform: same way american 'food' is food
mircea_popescu: no but i mean for srs. this could actually be done correctly
mircea_popescu: drive them out of market.
asciilifeform: 'encryption-flavoured extruded product'
mircea_popescu: (yeah yeah i know, as if)
asciilifeform: correctly?!
mircea_popescu: why couldn't i have arbitrary pubkey ?
asciilifeform: you can right now
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: e.g. 'vanitygen'
mircea_popescu: prolly the bruteforce approach doesn't deliver 100%.
asciilifeform: but the asymmetry is required for honest crypto. i.e. if mr luser can determine a privkey to go with luser@luserdom.com than so can you and i
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: i suppose you're right - this service existing is sufficient prooof what it's serving isn't crypto.
asciilifeform: it's a 'keybase'.
asciilifeform: for all i know, 'keybase' is a licensee
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: i suppose one can patent a chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: gotta spend that "seed money" somehow.
asciilifeform: 'scheme for relieving idiots of their...'
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084166 << no, implication is "our readership is moronic"
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:06:45; asciilifeform: What You Need to Know About the Unsealed Silk Road Docket << i do so hate these 'what you need to know' titles. implication is that no serious person would need to know anything else
asciilifeform: i haven't seen anything as insulting to the intelligence of the reader as 'voltage security co.' in many years.
asciilifeform: because, possibly, the flavour of being targeted at folks who go in for cryptological maths, rather than garden-variety schmucks
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's targeted at folks who think the usg is a good idea and windows an operating system.
asciilifeform: it's one thing to pitch 'proof that 1=2' to third-grade children, another - to maths grad students
mircea_popescu: depends. stanford grads prolly buy it.
mircea_popescu: if mit grads anything to go by.
asciilifeform: on the flip side, it gives an almost p.t. barnum-esque air of loud, profanely farting cynical hucksterism. nostalgic.
asciilifeform: sorta the same feeling i used to get when i was a regular reader of 'secret' forums for spammers
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084204 << if you recall, that was taken off because that's how sa owned the forum back during mtgox 1 cent days
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:27:23; nubbins`: wow, the latest DDOS attack against the forum seems to have reinstated the ability to change/add avatars
mircea_popescu: so go ahead, sql inject it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those forums... sorta tardstalk before the bitcoin.
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asciilifeform: aha. they even had own 'spamcoins' (using - now, long-dead - centralized spam-money services)
mircea_popescu: people are generally stupid in the same ways.
asciilifeform: it is rare to see an entirely novel stupid invented.
mircea_popescu: kinda why you'd expect governments to do better than they are, really.
asciilifeform: incidentally, one idea for writersey folks - taxonomy of the meaningfully-different forms of bad crypto.
pete_dushenski: token "hey look it's pete" scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/02/mean-streets/
assbot: Mean Streets. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCAeH8 )
asciilifeform: https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt << based possibly on this. or in essay form
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCAg1J )
mircea_popescu: definite flavour of malus enumeratio
asciilifeform: not as a serious guide for humans !
asciilifeform: as a massage.
asciilifeform: jjust like spamsolutions.txt is not a textbook
asciilifeform: enumerations of fallacies - and especially of scams - are not useless
asciilifeform: even if there is a universe full of falsehood. as pointed out, stupidity cuts into equivalence classes.
mircea_popescu: ( ) Extreme profitability of spam << i take it this was 2000ish ?
asciilifeform: earlier.
mircea_popescu: myeah. meanwhile that problem took care of itself.
asciilifeform: iirc written no later than '97
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084246 << wait. wut ?!
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:45; thestringpuller: no. i'm going to have to cancel for family reasons related to finance
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084266 << i don't think this will work.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:06:28; asciilifeform: nor should nubbins`, or ben_vulpes, or the rest.
mircea_popescu: conceivably this will come down to "use so and so, version no later than X, and you will have to either not use sound or use one of these sound cards"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or the other thing i suggested
BingoBoingo: !up Cogburn
mircea_popescu: what, "posix" ? that's not a thing
asciilifeform: it being, what folks do in school. emulate a machine that is described on half a sheet of paper
asciilifeform: with instruction set such-and-such, this much ram, etc.
asciilifeform: (see rest of thread)
mircea_popescu: emulators are seriously a very bad idea for this.
Cogburn: thank, you but you need not keep voicing me. I'll consider the invitation for the WoT. Glad to clear some things up. Have a great night.
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the ... spherical chicken appeal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do this in life. if you have a reasonably-fast computer, it is tolerable.
asciilifeform: now this'd be for -builds-
asciilifeform: not for running bitcoind -in-.
mircea_popescu: it's a bad idea.
asciilifeform: it is.
mircea_popescu: you're fighting shit with a taller tower. of shit.
asciilifeform: but no one has suggested a good idea.
mircea_popescu: how about debian sarge ?
asciilifeform: can i re-create it ?
asciilifeform: without downloading bins
mircea_popescu: 3.x
mircea_popescu: i think you should STILL be able to yes.
mircea_popescu: but back in 2005, definitely.
mircea_popescu: !up E8888____
asciilifeform: i mean, with my existing compilers.
mircea_popescu: with its own. it's a whole complete universe.
asciilifeform: aha so i gotta download bins
mircea_popescu: not sure about yours, mebbe worth a shit
asciilifeform: ick.
mircea_popescu: shot*
asciilifeform: besides we had someone try specifically it - ben_vulpes ?
mircea_popescu: we did /
asciilifeform: and turned out that it has a lying gcc
mircea_popescu: no ?
asciilifeform: which includes a type not defined in the src.
asciilifeform: (see yesterday's zoological find)
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2015/04/hospitalist-becomes-own-endless-loop/
assbot: Hospitalist Becomes Own Endless Loop | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCCpKV )
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084286 << this is a correct approach, the problem seems to be however that compilers don't work properly.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:09:47; mod6: Ok, so say that you have installed via offical docs, bla bla bla. Ok, then our release doesn't work. But we need to fix defects, and I refuse to have this happen going forward. So we need something repeatable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware that was on deb sarge.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes awake ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what did you use ?
BingoBoingo: “It was all very surreal. The nurse told me my patient had arrived on the ward. I told her I was the patient. She apparently thought I was making an existential statement and replied ‘aren’t we all just the sum of our patients and our patience’. I know, it doesn’t make any sense to me either now, but at the time it was profound, because, you know, dilaudid. “
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-04-2015#1082482 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 19:08:25; ben_vulpes: ascii_field, nubbins`: debian 6.0.10
mircea_popescu: that is not sarge.
asciilifeform consults table
mircea_popescu: that is 3 major revisions later. looks like modern.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: be so kind as to try the build on one of your debians ?
asciilifeform: untar and ./auto.sh
mircea_popescu: i didn't take any across the ocean ;/
asciilifeform: damn.
mircea_popescu: well how the fuck was i to know a year later ima be all the way up in thompsoncpp
mircea_popescu: but yes, the execration has occured to me a number of times.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once seriously toyed with the idea of building with borland cpp 3
asciilifeform: you know, -that- one
mircea_popescu: then again if THAT didn't work it wouldn't surprise me.
asciilifeform: http://borlandc.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Screenshot1.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpoWoM )
asciilifeform: i still miss that thing.
mircea_popescu: yes i had it, my f9 was illegible
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: note btw your ss is in romanian.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32427 @ 0.00027 = 8.7553 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: unsurprisingly
Adlai: BingoBoingo: no, the best part: McSwagger was awakened from a deep sleep by his pager, only to find out that he was being called by his own nurse, apparently because he needed something for sleep
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084315 << you're more than welcome to play with an emulator if you wish to broaden your horizon, but it is broadly inadequate for what we're trying to do here.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:16:41; nubbins`: so maybe we can start there
pete_dushenski reading logs, smacked with similarities between weiner / cogburn and charlie from mean streets
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is that the pc architecture (as a standard that you can hard-hold a vendor to) is dead.
asciilifeform: e.g., i literally can't buy my main pc again.
mircea_popescu: this is a problem.
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWV-mfMdw8 << if this be the same weiner that keeps derping with seamonster
assbot: Bitcoin Chat With Crypto Mogul Bryce Weiner! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HppT0m )
asciilifeform: possibly, very slowly, out of antiquarian collectible parts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25155 @ 0.00027 = 6.7919 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: of fuck knows what provenance.
mircea_popescu: but pretending like magic works isn't a solution to it.
asciilifeform: magic?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: look, qemu is essentially a hypervisor.
asciilifeform: nope.
mircea_popescu: if hypervisors fixed bad osen microsoft'd have been long fixed.
asciilifeform: when used as classical qemu (with accelerator) there is no hypervisor
asciilifeform: can emulate pc on vax
asciilifeform: or vax on pc
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/federal-agent-sells-firearms-via-darknet-market/
asciilifeform: hypervisor is a very other animal, where certain instructions are emulated ('sensitive' ring0 ones) while most execute naked.
mircea_popescu: but only provided the underlying os behaves.
asciilifeform: popular hypervisor: vmware
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have a confusion of terminology here. an emulator is, for instance, 'zsnes' - popular 'super nintendo' emul
asciilifeform: works on soviet 'elbrus' as well as american '486'
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: and regardless of what the nintendo proggy does, cannot crash the elbrus
mircea_popescu: so far this is a hypervisor.
asciilifeform: because we are essentially interpreting the snes instructions
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: hypervisor has a specific meaning
mircea_popescu: "works on another machine. check. client can't crash kernel. check"
mircea_popescu: yes. that special meaning is "runs vms"
asciilifeform: actually the rub with hypervisor is that the 'guest' -can- affect the 'host' quite often.
mircea_popescu: but this because hypervisor is badly implemented.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article17061476.html
assbot: Teen son of Canadian Consul General arrested after brother killed in drug deal | Miami Herald Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpqDCK )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the short version of the difference is that a 'hypervisor' emulates -certain- instructions, that are understood to modify the global state of the machine in ways which would allow the guest os to monopolize the hardware (e.g., write a block to the disk at index I) whereas an emulator emulates -all- instructions executed by the guest
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: how stupid and ballsy are these consul's kids that they "planned to rob the drug dealers "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a minor point, but anyway.
pete_dushenski: why can't they just buy coke from a classmate like normal kids of consuls ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I dunno, what's going on in the Canadia
asciilifeform: very major point in practice
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "The teens are the sons of Roxanne Dubé, who only recently assumed the role of consul general in Miami. A former Fulbright scholar, she has extensive diplomatic experience, having worked as an aide in Parliament and as the ambassador to Zimbabwe."
asciilifeform: hypervisor requires host and guest architectures to be same.
mircea_popescu: and there you have your problem.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notrly.
asciilifeform: emulator can be of anything you like, whether the computer from 'apollo' space probe, or one that i made up for the occasion.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: not that anything does, but "Wabafiyebazu" isn't that canadian
mircea_popescu: plenty of 32 bit run on 64 bit that way for instance.
asciilifeform: 32 is subset
pete_dushenski: s/does/is
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Is Rob Ford contagious?
asciilifeform: x86_64 contains specific provisions for running a process in 'short' (x86) mode
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: you're closer to derpbama than i to ford ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, granted, it's "a better hypervisor". still runs on another os.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'll need to get a map to check that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.0002719 = 8.4017 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sometimes, you can take the contents of the emulator and - if it exists and you have it in your collection - run it on physical iron
mircea_popescu: sometimes i fall asleep on one girl and wake up atop another.
asciilifeform: same idea.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't propose this for anyone else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is lieke 90% of what i'd want a 2nd pet for
asciilifeform: 2nd 'stator'
asciilifeform: (if fella who turns, is 'rotor')
mircea_popescu: inb short : it'd be great if emulators as you conceptually represent one existed and work. they do not. what we need is a distro to set in stone.
asciilifeform: for fucks sake, they exist and i use them every day for past decade.
mircea_popescu: are you running this in an emulator ?
asciilifeform: 'this' - no
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: most of what passes for my day job - yes
asciilifeform: why not << because no reason to take 25x cpu hit
mircea_popescu: most of which isn't bitcoind-like
mircea_popescu: suppose your emulated bitcoind forks. what do you do ?
asciilifeform: win turing prize.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
asciilifeform: spend on burial.
asciilifeform: anyway the point, again, would not be to ever -run- bitcoind in the dog-slow emulated linux
asciilifeform: but to cross-compile for normal machine (ibmpc, pogo, vax, whatever)
asciilifeform: using -known- set of mechanisms.
asciilifeform: as in, putting an actual cork in the os/libs/cpu/etc
mircea_popescu: but this is essentially naive. because, again, the bitcoind is not the code you read, but the binary that runs.
asciilifeform: as in 'here they are and this they shall be in 3015 running on Aldan-XVIII cpu'
asciilifeform: yes, the bin. small enough to eventually disasm & read.
mircea_popescu: if your binary that runs can not be run by your golden standard
asciilifeform: can, why not.
mircea_popescu: you essentially have managed to divorce a new academia out of engineering
mircea_popescu: this is the last thing we want.
asciilifeform: that'd be a monumentally strange thing to do. but not what suggested.
asciilifeform: suggested nailing down a machine spec
mircea_popescu: it is what'd happen.
asciilifeform: that can be replicated
asciilifeform: in the way that we are too poor (yes, poor) to do with tangible machine yet.
mircea_popescu: how do you distinguish a bug in the os from a bug in the emulator from a bug in the code ?
asciilifeform: that's the thing, bug in emulator is catastrophic
asciilifeform: but think of it as a skyscraper foundation. there is tremendous pressure on it
mircea_popescu: so you want me to pull in more code than the openssl. with worse risk outlook.
mircea_popescu: and your explanation is... "Well many people checked it"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when you dig out your old laptop with 'pentium I', guess what you're pulling in
asciilifeform: at least emulator code - i can sit down & read.
asciilifeform: try read internals of 'pentium I'
mircea_popescu: except your emulator still runs on pentium i in question
mircea_popescu: with who knows what dirty hacks everywhere to make it "portabler"
asciilifeform: or soviet 'iskra'
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, portability worst fucking idea in computing!)
asciilifeform: or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room
asciilifeform: or, or
asciilifeform: or it runs in my head & a pencil
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't see this as anything but "adding more bad code".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is right, but in the same way as a fella taking penicillin is 'swallowing poison'
asciilifeform: technically -yes.
mircea_popescu: i don't have anything against running test versions of golden-bitcoind on anything, including toasters, gameboys, toasters emulated on gameboys etc
mircea_popescu: but that's a different discussion.
asciilifeform: ideally i would not even suggest something as terrifyingly unpleasant as - in effect - giving everyone a 486.
asciilifeform: which is what emulator amounts to.
asciilifeform: but what is the alternative whereby each of us ends up with 1) EXACTLY same machine 2) one we can still get 1000 years later
asciilifeform: or even month later.
mircea_popescu: no, we've not even come to the discussion where "it's entirely unclear desktop with bitcoind in quemu can even process blocks in 10 minutes each"
mircea_popescu: we're still atthe principle of the matter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not - can.
asciilifeform admits he tried
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with trying it.
asciilifeform: (on what? modest box circa '07)
asciilifeform: but none of it changes the fundamentally bowel-loosening fact of discovering that 1) extant linuxen are incompatible in eldritch ways 2) that impact bitcoind build
asciilifeform: and 3) static builds never really worked for items of any complexity
asciilifeform: because 4) we have a rusted-solid 'luger' from 1941
mircea_popescu: so far, i'm a) chasing whoever the fuck broke the world by making an idiotic libnss and b) unconvinced the problem's more than that dns bs.
asciilifeform: that we tried to fire and somehow surprised
asciilifeform: i think we shot (a) in the head
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: ?
asciilifeform: (dns removal. but one more tumour growth left, the external-ip getter)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084194
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:17:35; asciilifeform: my dns seed snip patch never made it in the realease, did it
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084387 << ahaha good one.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:32:29; nubbins`: but hey. the plural of anecdote is proof, yes?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform THE PROBLEM STILL EXISTS.
mircea_popescu: even if not in our code anymore
asciilifeform: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085084
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 21:50:57; asciilifeform: bitcoin does not need dns for anythign!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, exists
mircea_popescu: well yes. im chasing the culprit. i wish to know who the fuck thought this is a good idea.
asciilifeform: i humbly request a copy of r. stevens's 'tcp/ip' bound in his skin.
asciilifeform: will also accept pike's 'unix prog. envir.'
mircea_popescu: more like it.
asciilifeform has a list.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084405 << the reason they're doing this is obvious. they want to find bugs.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:34:58; jurov: even openbsd prefers to maintain racks of obsolete hardware to running emulators
asciilifeform: must add also that the possibility of emulating a reasonably unix-capable computer is relatively recent. in university 'operating systems' courses in '99 folks were still rebooting actual pc, with floppy, 500 times a day. in 2006 - qemu.
asciilifeform: (and the occasional floppy/pc)
asciilifeform: my brother had one - i had the other
mircea_popescu: nobody is disputing it's a very useful tool for many things.
mircea_popescu: well, not i at any rate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall the 'specificity of diddling' thread ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044648 << for others reading☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:42:12; asciilifeform: for the benefit of n00bs, i will briefly elaborate
asciilifeform: related.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084446 << lol wait, they came full circle to the actual goal, usg's own bitcoin ?
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 16:43:36; asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/zhMRI9hn4KI/bMYtcr9o5QkJ << unrelated mega-l0l
mircea_popescu: "Writing an empty stub is an extremely bad practice and should only be done in desperation, because at the urbit level it produces a system event log that is nonrepeatable, or at least noncompliant with the nock spec. Discrepancies propagate rapidly in any kind of replay. You should be able to turn off all jets and get the same result. This is not practical, but it is practical if you disable everything but a few ba
mircea_popescu: sic math functions.
mircea_popescu: As a development methodology it's often useful to write hoon that tracks an existing C routine rather than the other way around, but even this needs to be done quite carefully to avoid jet discrepancies."
mircea_popescu: i liked that part.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0002719 = 3.2356 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: they'll eat their pants before admitting it's 'usg bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: well for one thing it's not ok to admit yarvin is orlov in a different color scheme
asciilifeform: lol, what color ?
mircea_popescu: for the other it's not ok to admit urbit exists strictly because a) yarvin's chumpatron attempt failed just at the time b) usg was looking for a particular tool
mircea_popescu: scooped it up cheapo.
mircea_popescu: so i guess two can't admits make it a mindblowing evil thing.
asciilifeform: close. exists because y dropped out of grad school to play original 'dotcom' chumpamatic
mircea_popescu: right. but that's half the story.
asciilifeform: and sorta wanted to get back to these two highlights of his youth
mircea_popescu: his mantears over bitcoin existing coupled with a certain need for "Expertise" in certain quarters...
asciilifeform: i actually read his 'all bitcoin users will be gassed' thing as honest defeatism
asciilifeform: but can't even tell now.
mircea_popescu: the man is not honest.
mircea_popescu: im starting to notice a pattern here, he reads exactly like yak guy, once i read yak guy
asciilifeform: brings to mind,
asciilifeform: Orwell: ‘Do you really want to see your children grow up Nazis?’
asciilifeform: The youth: ‘Nonsense! You don't suppose the Germans are going to encourage Fascism in this country, do you? They don't want to breed up a race of warriors to fight against them. Their object will be to turn us into slaves. That's why I'm a pacifist. They'll encourage people like me.’
asciilifeform: Orwell: ‘And shoot people like me?’
asciilifeform: The youth: ‘That would be just too bad.’
asciilifeform: Orwell: ‘But why are you so anxious to remain alive?’
asciilifeform: The youth: ‘So that I can get on with my work, of course.’
asciilifeform: ( http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/eaip_04 )
assbot: George Orwell: As I Please -- 1943 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9faus )
mircea_popescu: there was a very apt summary in that physicits's criticism. i suppose i should look it up.
asciilifeform: mr mold decided that he was anxious to remain alive. i can't really see why.
mircea_popescu: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eliezer_Yudkowsky << lulwut.
assbot: Eliezer Yudkowsky - Wikiquote ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9fhWN )
mircea_popescu: hey, does wikiquote have a page of quotes from my cat yet ?
asciilifeform: no but almost
asciilifeform: i think they have naggum's cat.
mircea_popescu: holy shit, "crocker's rules" omfg. http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/
assbot: Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pBuh84 )
mircea_popescu: it's eerie just how connected stupidity is.
mircea_popescu: "So, Hariezer is joking about the murder (its made clear later), but WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING? These escalating friendship-tests feel contrived, reciprocity is effective when you don’t make demands immediately, which is why when you get a free sample at the grocery store the person at the counter doesn’t say “did you like that? Buy this juice or we won’t be friends anymore.” This whole conversation feels
mircea_popescu: ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE. "
mircea_popescu: basicaly... these are kids whoise main feature is having sat through a bunch of bad marketing seminars.
mircea_popescu: and
mircea_popescu: conversations between Quirrell/Malfoy/Potter seem to follow scripts of the form
mircea_popescu: "Here is an awesome manipulation I’m using against you"
mircea_popescu: "My, that is an effective manipulation. You are a dangerous man"
mircea_popescu: "I know, but I also know that you are only flattering me as an attempt to manipulate me."
mircea_popescu: "My, what an effective use of Bayesian evidence that is!"
mircea_popescu: etc.
asciilifeform: this is not entirely unlike the 'karate scenes' written by hacks
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, quotations from bad fanfic, the works.
pete_dushenski: http://fortune.com/2015/04/02/bitcoin-bowl/ << oh hey look 'daniel roberts' reads the logs
assbot: Goodbye, Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl, we hardly knew ye - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9fUj3 )
pete_dushenski: ^quite the qntra rip-off
pete_dushenski: obviously without attribution, 'reddit said' instead
asciilifeform: folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times
pete_dushenski: "hey look, a gummy worm!"
pete_dushenski: "only half-digested!"
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00027 = 1.8806 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well... the world is supremely fair, in that ignorance is its own reward.
pete_dushenski: i'm finally working my way through buffett's annual letters to berkshire shareholders
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085094 << what's wrong with config file srsly.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 21:54:54; asciilifeform: i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz
mircea_popescu: !up PFate
pete_dushenski: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html << recommended reading for log readers out there
assbot: Shareholder Letters ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9gJZg )
PFate: hello and thank you
mircea_popescu: yeah they're not bad.
mircea_popescu: PFate who might you be ?
PFate: erm, just a pleb atm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's wrong with config file srsly << nothing wrong with it. but 1) the hardcoded junk needs to go 2) node needs to learn own ip somehow
PFate: want twitter handle?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: call it biznis 201
PFate: @thefateofbtc
pete_dushenski: PFate: soooo what's the fate ?
mircea_popescu: PFate it's free form, i dun want anything specific.
PFate: pete, right now its not good from watching the news
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085111 << sadly. the man very much went by this "engineering" approach.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 21:59:01; jurov: may have been satoshi himself
PFate: lol
pete_dushenski: PFate: that works because i'm pretty sure nowhere here watches the news
pete_dushenski: https://1broker.com/ << this yours then ?
assbot: 1Broker - Bitcoin Forex and CFD Trading ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9heTa )
PFate: 1broker.co
PFate: :)
PFate: 301 redirect ftw
asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i u_int32_t bitcoin-0.3.21
asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ grep -R -i uint32_t bitcoin-0.3.21
asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $
cazalla: wow, that fortune.com article cites btcfeed as the source of the jan bitpay layoffs? fucking cunts
asciilifeform: nope, not satoshi.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: ikr!
mircea_popescu: ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act.
pete_dushenski: PFate: well congrats on "We have proven ourselves: Since our launch in 2012, there was not a single security breach."
PFate: ? the .com is not mine
PFate: heh
mircea_popescu: cazalla write to the author and to forbes editor, tell them they can either publish a fix or else i sue.
mircea_popescu: lettuce see if forbes getting sued by bitcoin for ip infringement makes the news or not.
asciilifeform: won't make the docket much less news
asciilifeform: will be magicked away with magic rays.
mircea_popescu: the docket it will make.
pete_dushenski: PFate: ah nm then!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because magic rays too expensive.
asciilifeform: 'state privilege'
cazalla: mircea_popescu, author proudly displays his twitter url, but no email address, guess i'll have to dig
pete_dushenski: to whoever else runs 1broker, wd.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know, one day you'll run into one of these claiming 2006.
pete_dushenski: and when that day comes, i'll learn not to trust anything random websites say
asciilifeform: '25 years of windows-2008 experience'
PFate: theres probably someone on linkedin with crypto(btc/ltc) claimed experience dating 2008
asciilifeform: szabo ?
pete_dushenski: not that one can't have 20 years of 'digital cash' experience, it's just that... so what ?
mircea_popescu: poor substitute for being in wot.
pete_dushenski: matonis was on the edges of the thing back then
mircea_popescu: iirc we had a guy in here who claimed 546805806 years of precious metal guruism
mircea_popescu: the claim got reduced and reduced until it went away
mircea_popescu: didn't take much pressure, either.
asciilifeform: 546805806 years of << l0l! he had an uninitialized register or what.
asciilifeform: incremented until overflowed?
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085173 << yes.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 22:51:59; asciilifeform: i probably should have specified this in the signed text
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just replaced one random value with another. my register's wider than his.
pete_dushenski: PFate: anyhoo so what brings you by this fine evening ?
PFate: stalking
PFate: since the bryce interview, back traced to this chan
mircea_popescu: the tits are that way --->
PFate: oh, sweet
PFate: but thats the edge of my desk
mircea_popescu: who the fuck stalks dudes
PFate: shitty comcast movies are on the other screen
asciilifeform will probably end up having to seppuku one day because did not specify 'do not use in reactors to power interstellar multigenerational flights' in some patch in '14
PFate: i stalk persons of interest in my hobbies to see whats up
PFate: this year and last, crypto
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1085180 << yeah qntra ppl. do we even care to get these ?
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 22:57:01; nubbins`: i floated a design, nobody was too fussy, nothing else suggested
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i'll just end up stuck explaining why you shouldn't to angry mobs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude dat qntra. 0.00027399 vs 0.00028991 eh!
mircea_popescu: also 104mn s.mpoe shares changed hands this month.
asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing
mircea_popescu: methinks institutionals got told a few words ?
asciilifeform: i mean srsly, wut
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oothecae walls structure.
pete_dushenski: i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for 'qntra ppl' but as cool as cards with just email and gpg would be, i'm not sure i'd have much use for them in the space of meat
mircea_popescu: use cockroach parts! they're great for the environment and weigh less!
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski original deal was for a dozen, you;'d prolly make it
asciilifeform: the funny thing is that i've owned little laser printers since '90s, always almost precisely the same size, breadbox
asciilifeform: and they get lighter, lighter,....
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085215 o.O
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 00:51:07; cazalla: who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: i bet this one'd auger in if i sat on it.
asciilifeform: nay, stepped in it.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085216 google produces http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 00:55:59; BingoBoingo: lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche
assbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they're worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChL53G )
mircea_popescu: apparently the neobee "brick and mortar" 17 yo financiers.
mircea_popescu: also, i am not a cryptographer.
asciilifeform: <pete_dushenski> i dunno if my monthly contributions qualify me for << wai wat was this
PFate: auger?
asciilifeform: auger.
PFate: that slang for collapse?
PFate: never heard it used outside building/drilling
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aite well, if they're free to the magick dozen, i'd take mebbe 50 cards ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: qntra writing
mircea_popescu: iirc it was 250 ?
mircea_popescu: look in teh log
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085221 dude srsly with this still ?!
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 00:58:09; nubbins`: “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.”
pete_dushenski: i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Preet Bharara's minions can be seen pleading to Judge Forrest that the terminally corrupted Baltimore investigation so how touches their investigation in no way."
mircea_popescu: so how wut.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085246 << actually if someone was to pop in here and try to mine some lulz, they'd prolly pretend to be exactly someone like that, ie, marginal twitterhead or w/e. who else would they pretend to be.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:29:27; Cogburn: oh cmon nobody is gonna pop in here and pretend to be me
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: fxd
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085257 << o.O wasn't thestringpuller rapping this like yest ?
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:31:12; cazalla: going by the article, you hate him because you ain't him
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/#comment-113407 so he was
assbot: Ok, ok, you had me :D pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChMUgW )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol yeah he was in the trilema comments, it's what sprung to mind at the time
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "wtf is cogburn" "it's a reference to a film you stopped because wtf is this stupid shit."
mircea_popescu: seriously, people actually watched that atrocity ?
mircea_popescu: twelve year old independent wild west girlie ?
mircea_popescu: shit that only happened on planet "i'm a fat fuckhead and i will daydream an alt-history in which women actually did shit" ?
BingoBoingo: Eh, she ends up an amputee, there's gotta be a niche for that
mircea_popescu: for the record : no child at that time would have fucking dared to open her stupid mouth for fear of a beating.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will daydream an alt-history << countess ada l. porn ?
mircea_popescu: which fear was pretty fucking actual.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's this thing which seriously proposes that a texas ranger who took the trouble to hunt some outlaw all the way into wherever the fuck is even talking to some snotty brat.
mircea_popescu: boggles the mind.
mircea_popescu: but not so far off hariezer fanfic.
asciilifeform: in porn, can cavort with platonic polyhedra if it tickles you. doesn't have to make sense in life...
mircea_popescu: it was a holywood "socialist realist" piece tho
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: well what are they ?
asciilifeform: money laundromats ?
mircea_popescu: all the unwatchable crud starting with the alt-gays (brokeback mountain) all through imaginary women that never happened, brave black slaves, what have you
mircea_popescu: it's socialist realism i tell you.
asciilifeform: Чапаев!
mircea_popescu: im looking forward to a remake of spartacus but set in south carolina
mircea_popescu: with an imaginary black leader dude that caused a countrywide revolt.
mircea_popescu: because this happened.
asciilifeform: http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/45435
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChPa7O )
asciilifeform: from other side of ocean.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, you're thinking the almost able to stand post-20s.
mircea_popescu: im thinking the 70s.
asciilifeform: or more egregiously,
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_mjKQkYctg
assbot: МУЛЬТФИЛЬМ Орлёнок - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ChQbwA )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6831 @ 0.00027024 = 1.846 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ^ mega-genre-emblematic
asciilifeform once was mindfucked when read 'livejournal' of gurl who confessed to having wanked to this ^
asciilifeform: 'why do you want to go to the revolution, kid?' 'to save the boy. the hero, about whom the song was.' 'will you fear a bullet?' 'no' 'will you fall for tricks?' 'no!' 'come on in'
mircea_popescu: !up evian11_____
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly my first idea of socialist realism is very bad metal basreliefs.
mircea_popescu: cinema a distant 3rd
asciilifeform: bad metal - mandatory
mircea_popescu: ok this cartoon is on point.
asciilifeform: absolutely mandatory for genre students
mircea_popescu: quite exactly the spirit.
mircea_popescu: directly visible in the say "abstraction" of movements.
asciilifeform fesses up that he loved it to death as a boy
mircea_popescu: very unabashed red/black coloring etc
mircea_popescu: it is MADE to be loved to death by simpletons.
mircea_popescu: the problem is some never outgrow it.
mircea_popescu: o fuck, frame in frame. defo.
asciilifeform: frame ?
mircea_popescu: yes. pioneer kid at museum
asciilifeform: ah well yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31866 @ 0.00027 = 8.6038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00027024 = 5.9047 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085304 << this speaks to neither wot nor irl trust.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:39:28; Cogburn: gamification of reputation is for people who can't give a good handshake or a warm, geniune smile when they meet someone.
mircea_popescu: !up odyjm
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085325 << well then you have no business here.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:45:04; Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no"
mircea_popescu: saves me a bunch of reading at any rate.
asciilifeform: i dont think that was even a living thing
asciilifeform: but a script.
asciilifeform: it elizad when i spoke to it.
mircea_popescu: sadly this is no longer much of a criteria.
mircea_popescu: try a barrista sometime and see.
asciilifeform: a wut
BingoBoingo: Thing apparently was living, but not very. Shell that seems most motivated to please whatever is on the other side of the screen whether it be Surf or what it imagines #b-a to be
asciilifeform: bartender?
mircea_popescu: chick that pours coffee.
asciilifeform: Ah
mircea_popescu: no, not bartender. coffeeshoptender.
Chillum: its like a spanish waiter
Chillum: lol
mircea_popescu: "Pretentious sounding word used by dejected art history and drama majors that describes their employment in order to make themselves feel better about serving coffee."
mircea_popescu: ud has it.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: they could call themselves gheishas for the same money.
cazalla: asciilifeform never heard of the fabled hipster barista
asciilifeform: over here the coffee is served 100% by uni students
asciilifeform: who else.
mircea_popescu: anyway, entire class of could-have-been bright young things that sound like eliza.
mircea_popescu: yes dude. those.
Chillum: my local coffee serving girl is rather bright
Chillum: though she is an owner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55650 @ 0.00027 = 15.0255 BTC [-]
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asciilifeform: 'Let’s use IBM as an example. As all business observers know, CEOs Lou Gerstner and Sam Palmisano did a superb job in moving IBM from near-bankruptcy twenty years ago to its prominence today. Their operational accomplishments were truly extraordinary.' (buffett '11)
asciilifeform: wtf?!
asciilifeform: ibm, the shrivelled husk?
asciilifeform: was that letter sent from paralleluniverse or wut
mircea_popescu: buffett pre 2000 is very different beast from buffett post 2001
mircea_popescu: much like zimmerman or any other number of people.
asciilifeform: getting headcrabbed will do that.
pete_dushenski: buffett in
pete_dushenski: 1991 was on his game
pete_dushenski: then, bought hh brown, today... car dealerships
pete_dushenski: ;;seen brendafdez
gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22910 @ 0.00027 = 6.1857 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (10885 shares, 4.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037676 / 0.00037719 (10985 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00027399 / 0.00037719 (40462 shares, 11.09 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025516 / 0.0002719 (10198588 shares, 2,602.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00022189 / 0.0002599 / 0.00028207 (44106582 shares, 11,463.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028916 / 0.0004493 (103963514 shares, 30,062.38 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7108 @ 0.0002719 = 1.9327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35873 @ 0.0002713 = 9.7323 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00027218 = 1.5242 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533582 << curious to know if this ever happened☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 21:59:17; mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..
ben_vulpes: hey robert viragh fuck off quit emailing me.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it never made any money. at all.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: tee hee i know
mircea_popescu: aok
ben_vulpes: more ribbing nubbins`, really
mircea_popescu: nubbins ?! how's he involved
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58524 @ 0.00027215 = 15.9273 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: read the linked thread!
mircea_popescu: the part about adding things to his highlights ? or the part about shewpherd pie ?
ben_vulpes: the whole log section is hilarious - some twenty lines in each direction
ben_vulpes: nubbins` going on about hif, steak, puss...
ben_vulpes: old logs are a trip, i guess.
mircea_popescu: kinda why we even have them.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085482 << hear hear☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 02:19:43; asciilifeform: Cogburn: RIAA project << i for one would only pay even a penny for something riaa-related if it somehow -takes away- at least the same penny from riaa et al.
mircea_popescu: i suppose "innovation" in the superficial sense in current usage has come to this, that it's barely a proxy for shock value. they ran out of "innovative" alts and now are hoping for interest out of the patently ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: "o ya ? well my alt is about dead weasels!"
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1085490 << one of the things i admire about you, asciilifeform, is your charming ability to paint just the most desolate picture of anyone's future for them.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 02:21:25; asciilifeform: the other thing is the political nuance here. when you do business with riaa etc. you are banking that 2025 will contain a world where riaa and the usg it is an affiliate of - are still in business
mircea_popescu: "that doesn't make any sense" "But it's got you talking about it!" "only briefly" "yeah well that's a lot more than the other 93875937394 guys manage"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes imagine what it's like to be his girlfriend.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00027 = 11.016 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i like to complain as much as the next jew, but these russians!
mircea_popescu: why do you think they kept the jews beyond the pale.
ben_vulpes: they're so down they make *you* want to kill yourself!
mircea_popescu: and notice he's not even really russian. imagine if he stayed in odessa.
ben_vulpes: ya christ
mircea_popescu: which EVEN THEN wouldn't have been REALLY russian.
mircea_popescu: two degrees of soparation here.
ben_vulpes: well, eu that part of the world more than us.
ben_vulpes: hm what part of russia is he from?
ben_vulpes: well, "russia"
mircea_popescu: the ukraine :D
ben_vulpes: hurr durr ustard dun no geograpfiez
mircea_popescu: you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?"
ben_vulpes: :(
ben_vulpes: i know nothinggggg
mircea_popescu: yeah, how do you even jack off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00027218 = 2.3271 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i bet you need a woman even for that.
ben_vulpes: death by embarrass
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: hm, reading back... you probably didn't even pick the pale reference didja.
ben_vulpes: i thought that was a british/irish thing.
mircea_popescu: ;;google pale of settlement
gribble: Pale of Settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement>; The Pale of Settlement | Jewish Virtual Library: <http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/pale.html>; YIVO | Pale of Settlement: <http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Pale_of_Settlement>
ben_vulpes: shit jesus
mircea_popescu: ah this has been top log.
ben_vulpes: i am actually a horrible jew
ben_vulpes: all i care about is rockets
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" << bad example. canada is just unannexed right now.
mircea_popescu: so it's a good example.
ben_vulpes ponders his mental calendar
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: have you never seen fiddler on the roof ? movie or play ?
pete_dushenski: it's the token charicature of 'the pale'
pete_dushenski: aaaand just-as-eyes-close-scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/03/aligning-incentives/
assbot: Aligning incentives. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8veMj )
pete_dushenski: bon soir a tous!
mircea_popescu: the movie's actually pretty good.
mircea_popescu: "if wealth is a curse... well then may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!"
mircea_popescu: "Just as it is the way of an ape to imitate humans, so too, a person, when he has become old, imitates himself, and does what was his manner previously."
mircea_popescu: there asciilifeform, i found you in the rishonim discussion of buffet's plight in the kotzker rebbe.
mircea_popescu: hmm, lemme restate.
mircea_popescu: there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight.
mircea_popescu: dat semitic word order ffs.
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BingoBoingo: cooperate, civility determined unnecessary https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2015/04/03/essay-thoughts-community-college-curmudgeons-and-how-engage-them
assbot: Essay on the thoughts of community college curmudgeons and how to engage them @insidehighered ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYid6k )
BingoBoingo: "Maybe if they’d listen to us curmudgeons once in a while, rather than trying to shut us up, community colleges wouldn’t be in the shape many of us are today: taking unconscionable amounts of students’ loan eligibility and seeing them leave when it runs out, as illiterate/innumerate as they were when they got here. No one wants us to talk about that, though."
mircea_popescu: sure. and maybe if the people trying to bail out the titanic were faster with it...
BingoBoingo: I like how the author misses the obvious conclusion, the curmudgeons were right the whole time
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/66d5c4c3c7fb72b8c71d7e55577bd005/tumblr_mu7rn8FqsG1scdinwo1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1apWgSk )
mircea_popescu: dat spelling.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-march-2015-statement/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00027 = 3.78 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00027062 = 9.2146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00027062 = 4.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.00027 = 14.4855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82600 @ 0.00027204 = 22.4705 BTC [+] {2}
mats: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11513341/Greece-draws-up-drachma-plans-prepares-to-miss-IMF-payment.html
assbot: Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz )
mats: it begins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27201 @ 0.00027225 = 7.4055 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00027244 = 6.2934 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: wtf at that tumblr
cazalla: prob nigs with inferiority complex over da white man making that shit
punkman: nah, gotta be a white boy
mats: lol.
punkman: mats, btw the only greek articles talking about drachma are referencing the Telegraph
mats: interesting
punkman: (as in, check out what the brits are writing now)
cazalla: god damn easter, no bottleshops open and i require more vespene gas
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8351 @ 0.00027266 = 2.277 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00027 = 4.2795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00027268 = 7.5532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00027 = 7.5195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 28000 @ 0.00037719 = 10.5613 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023767 / 0.00025767 / 0.00027268 (8072934 shares, 2,080.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00023767 / 0.00026037 / 0.00028207 (41640038 shares, 10,842.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028858 / 0.0004493 (103878194 shares, 29,977.37 BTC)
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 / 0.00037719 (38885 shares, 14.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00033 / 0.00037706 / 0.00037719 (38985 shares, 14.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00031619 / 0.00037719 (68462 shares, 21.65 BTC)
thestringpuller: ^- close the bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40850 @ 0.00027 = 11.0295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00027272 = 8.0316 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5674 @ 0.000273 = 1.549 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19047 @ 0.00027313 = 5.2023 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5135 @ 0.00027339 = 1.4039 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: <Cogburn> everyone is tired of getting fucked
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> pass the lsd plz.
nubbins`: did i miss a memo or somethin? wild party guise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00027028 = 8.5138 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> so go ahead, sql inject it. <<< actually i just injected an upgrade to my avatar. from this: http://i.imgur.com/IrcdfQJ.png to this: http://i.imgur.com/36Olfei.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia7KHp )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia7KHr )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00027 = 19.116 BTC [-]
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> or my mips-on-fpga that exists nowhere but my living room <<< uh, srs??
nubbins`: *:asciilifeform has a list. <<< seems we've all got different lists of people who will be put against walls for various reasons
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00027367 = 5.8839 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7670 @ 0.0002738 = 2.1 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> folks who, to a first approximation, -don't read for pleasure- tend to write rather disconcertingly like a poorer version of what they did read. sorta like vomit looks something like the food at times <<< "This latest tome puts X in the awkward position of having written more books than they've read"
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> node needs to learn own ip somehow <<< can't felch it from the OS at runtime?
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> ahaha im bashing that paste shit. nubbins you should start your own act. <<< i'm more of a thief in the night when it comes to lels.
nubbins`: asciilifeform just unpacked a laser printer/scanner/copier thingie and went 'wtf' because it weighs maybe half of what the dearly departed predecessor did. must be 95% corn plastic or sumthing <<< scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc ;p
BingoBoingo: Does the scanner not roast the bed with UV?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00027049 = 6.4106 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i kid. :D
nubbins`: and i'd guess probably not, because why would it produce uv?
nubbins`: seems a waste to emit anything but the visual spectrum
nubbins`: but i talk from a place without knowledge here.
nubbins`: also, plastic scratches
nubbins`: <pete_dushenski> i saw it, just saying that i wouldn't make use of that many <<< my first job as a "web dev", they gave me 1000 business cards. for some reason.
nubbins`: i gave one to my folks and then gave away the rest in chunks of 100 to friends who roll their own, for use as filter
nubbins`: imagine giving a thousand business cards to someone who /does not interact with clients/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00027029 = 3.4597 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533600 <<< ultra-lel☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 22:16:56; nubbins`: p liked the shepherd's pie i made
nubbins`: how do i get away with this shit
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533601 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 22:17:08; nubbins`: "the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> you know, like "what part of the us is nubs from ?" <<< twodog, iirc, floated the idea of joining usa after the british gave up on us
nubbins`: closest we got was hosting a bunch of US mil bases
nubbins`: <ben_vulpes> bad example. canada is just unannexed right now. <<< i lel'd heartily, i must say
nubbins`: as if the future path of north america is single-country
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> dat spelling. <<< i'm so broud of you
nubbins`: incidentally, "broud" reminds me of this movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clan_of_the_Cave_Bear_%28film%29
assbot: The Clan of the Cave Bear (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8XnTB )
nubbins`: broud was DTF at all times
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0002738 = 4.285 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> as if the future path of north america is single-country << Sure it is, Go Go Los Zetas
BingoBoingo: Or Sinaloa, or whoever
nubbins`: zetas vs zapatistas
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34550 @ 0.0002738 = 9.4598 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14559 @ 0.00027 = 3.9309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26486 @ 0.00027 = 7.1512 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 93,697.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00027 = 7.3305 BTC [-]
nubbins`: "I'm a musician that supports Bitcoin! Check out my weird shitty demos!"
nubbins`: ...no?
nubbins`: my sides
nubbins`: youth today, i tell ya.
nubbins`: they realy go overboard with the self-deprecation
nubbins`: *really
nubbins`: dat defense against future criticisms
nubbins`: guy obv thinks it's cool otherwise he wouldn't share it
nubbins`: but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it
nubbins`: so he hedges
nubbins`: and warns you that it sucks while he shows it off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00027384 = 6.1614 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc.
mircea_popescu: not that he wouldn't, mind you.
danielpbarron: height=310563 vs height=219979
Chillum: geez, my client is up to Nov 2014 and it says it is at 70% complete. Is 30% of the blockchain volume really since November?:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7312 @ 0.00027384 = 2.0023 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00027371 = 2.0528 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Chillum yes.
Chillum: wow that is some increase in volume
mircea_popescu: people, the sort who imagine themselves "part of the community" for no reason, not being able to pass even the minimal qual of running a node, have nfi just how heavy 1mb blocks are
mircea_popescu: note that they're almost never full, either.
Chillum: the percent of people who run a rull node will continue to drop
Chillum: s/rull/run/
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: the % yes.
mircea_popescu: necessarily, as something becomes "popular" the percentage of imbeciles increases.
mircea_popescu: just look at "computer programming"
Chillum: any system will have to live with imbeciles
Chillum: on Earth at least
mircea_popescu: live with, sure.
mircea_popescu: make it possible for imbeciles to live with it, not really.
mircea_popescu: so apparently this chick wanted to open a coinbase account. they told her to make a blog, as part of their newer, friendlier KYC regulations. so she did. here it is : http://mandyswanson.tumblr.com/
assbot: Mandy-Claire Swanson ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQJBVj )
mircea_popescu: tru story.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17813 @ 0.00027384 = 4.8779 BTC [+]
Chillum: sooo know your customers is now extended to learning about their hobbies and personality?
Chillum: what does a blog accomplish?
Chillum: anyone can make a fake one
Chillum: I prefer KFC to KYC
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone could have made a fake this one.
Chillum: I have only met a few of my customers, I do NOT want to know them
mircea_popescu: tough.
Chillum: the general population has a strong tendency for crazies
mircea_popescu: it's the law Chillum !
Chillum: in Canada you don't need to ip a tx is under $3k a day and under $10K in a year
Chillum: s/ip/id/
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086243 << epic. i wish to see how this drachma goes.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 08:54:21; assbot: Greece draws up drachma plans, prepares to miss IMF payment - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXb9Sz )
mircea_popescu: maybe next they can leech some money off the russians for a while, making promises ?
mircea_popescu: Chillum what do you mean "in canada"
Chillum: Greece, those guys were buying gold coins from me more than the whole rest of the world combined during their bailout
Chillum: It is a big country that I live in
mircea_popescu: us first best only country.
Chillum: us?
nubbins`: a
nubbins`: canada isn't really a country so much as it is a collection of geographically and culturally disparate regions
nubbins`: take chillum, myself, and a quebecois
nubbins`: probably our only common threads are that we like poutine and smoke trees
Chillum: poutine is gross. Sorry, but it is
Chillum: perhaps they just make it bad around here, but the french guys love it
nubbins`: most poutine around here is totally bastardized
nubbins`: stretch mozza instead of curds
mircea_popescu: !up gabridome
nubbins`: with real curds and a thick gravy on some home fries, it's divine
Chillum: the fries always are soggy, I like crispy fries
nubbins`: see? nothing in common
nubbins`: totally culturally disparate
Chillum: Vancouver Island is a culture of its own
nubbins`: so is newfoundland island
Chillum: we are a mosaic, not a melting pot. We want disparite cultures
nubbins`: for those of you who do not grasp the size of canada, europe is closer to me than vancouver is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00027387 = 2.7798 BTC [+] {2}
Chillum: and the 15% of it to the south west has nice weather for several months a year
nubbins`: in fact, romania is closer to me than vancouver
Chillum: I always love it when the weather channel is showing ice storms out east and that we have daffodils blooming on the Island
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77269 @ 0.00027433 = 21.1972 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: it was 12C here three days ago
nubbins`: yesterday: snow
Chillum: of course every winter all the homeless from out east come to victoria/vancover to live
mircea_popescu: "Greece no longer has enough money to pay the IMF €498m on April 9, and also to cover payments for salaries and social security on April 14"
mircea_popescu: herp.
Chillum: they have plenty of gold
nubbins`: Chillum and every summer they come back to st john's :D
nubbins`: ah, the seasonal homeless
mircea_popescu: Chillum greece is the main example of a certain way to run a country, which is : make promises to whatever power, then not keep the promises see what it does.
mircea_popescu: italy was run this way pretty much 500ad - 2015 ad.
Chillum: yup. They are handling the global currency collapse in a very tactical manner
mircea_popescu: ocasionally the hre would come over, the local whores (ie, married women) fucked the soldiers raw.
nubbins`: sign a lease, move out a month early and leave 35 bags worth of trash behind
Chillum: we don't give them places to live
mircea_popescu: not even. sign the lease, expect leasor to buy you drinks at the bar, sublet the place to a bunch of other dudes, never pay a dime in rent
Chillum: finding a place to live around here is hard even for a local
mircea_popescu: THEN leave, two months late and leave dead hookers in the matresses.
Chillum: we have almost no vacancies here
nubbins`: vacancy was below 1% here for a while
nubbins`: market's cooling off now
Chillum: If you want a place you basically have to wait for the university to let out, so once a year
nubbins`: or around the new year when all the first-year students flunk out
nubbins`: but who wants to move in winter?
mircea_popescu: “We may have to go into a silent arrears process" << check it out, they have a word for it and everything!
nubbins`: silent arrears
nubbins`: i like that
mircea_popescu: nonono
nubbins`: "we won't tell anyone when the money is gone"
Chillum: is that like a silent fart?
mircea_popescu: you don't understand. A silent arrears PROCESS.
nubbins`: o o o!
nubbins`: my focus was diverted
mircea_popescu: you see ? a! like, there are others, this is just one of a class!
mircea_popescu: and it's a process!
nubbins`: dat process
mircea_popescu: not a state or anything, phenomena baby.
nubbins`: i bet they have a "roadmap"
mircea_popescu: o, obviously.
nubbins`: 1) use all moniez
mircea_popescu: i dunno who the overgrown infants think they're fooling,
mircea_popescu: but it must be someone.
nubbins`: 2) ???
nubbins`: 3) profit!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i kinda like the way this works.
mircea_popescu: basically, in the 70s stupid dudes in government decided to force men to pay for stupid women in the house.
mircea_popescu: the process took a few decades to come to roost, but now stupid countries are behaving comensurate with that.
mircea_popescu: so... i suppose the us, germany and whoever else has money must pay for the house where greece fucks random dudes and "raises the children"
mircea_popescu: it's teh law!
mircea_popescu: and, obviously, the "welfare of the children" is the chief concern.
mircea_popescu: so, payup.
nubbins`: bbl
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted to the britton woods system ? when's the last time a government said fu, we're not going to do what you want us to do so we fail electorally ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00027454 = 2.0316 BTC [+]
Chillum: longing for the days of feudalism?
Chillum: back then if you could not manage a land it was given to someone else
mircea_popescu: i don't think feudalism is avoidable since internet.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086281 << srs, hang people for that ? it's just fucking design.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 11:47:21; nubbins`: mine's "people who charge big money for graphic design when they're clearly unqualified to do so, resulting in either sad clients or more work for the printer"
mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.
Chillum: when more complex forms of government fail it always reverts to a simpler form
Chillum: it seems current government and monetary policies seek to be intentionally complex to avoid understanding of it
mircea_popescu: Chillum a) feudalism is the most complex form to date b) democracy hasn't failed, it succeeded. like communism. turns out nobody can stand its final form.
mircea_popescu: mebbe see http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/
assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQRGcB )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00027454 = 5.4359 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up cnerd
mircea_popescu: shoot.
cnerd: yea, ok, awesome
cnerd: I see that you have encountered these dudes DD4BC some time ago
mircea_popescu: !s dd4bc
assbot: 1 results for 'dd4bc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dd4bc
mircea_popescu: weirdly this rings no bells.
cnerd: let me remind you :)
cnerd: http://trilema.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/
assbot: The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d'armes of the retarded generation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW6bEI )
mircea_popescu: o wait, with the ddos. ok ok.
cnerd: yea, same dude(s). So, what happened, did they follow up with a more serious attack afterwards?
mircea_popescu: not that i'm specifically aware. probably, at least tried.
cnerd: so, nothing serious, i guess? They gave up pretty fast, didnt they?
mircea_popescu: well, it's not so cut and dried. the thing is inequality online is readily misrepresented because things appear for no good reason as very equalitarian. take the much related fetlife debacle (here : https://www.google.com/search?q=trilema+fetlife+butthurt )
assbot: trilema fetlife butthurt - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1BW76oT )
mircea_popescu: so they sent a bs complaint, i replied, they sent a dmca, i counternotified, they went away beaten.
mircea_popescu: would they have done the same if i didn't have a lawyer ready to sue ? no. had the dc been more scared of me than of them if i hadn't etc ? no.
mircea_popescu: so, it can be very serious or not serious at all depending on who you are.
mircea_popescu: do you own your servers which you colocate ? do you rent time on a shared server ? these things matter.
cnerd: I pretty much understand what you are saying. Thanks for your time, man, you were incredibly helpful
mircea_popescu: they happen to matter a whole of a heck more than whether you're either right or reasonable, as it happens.
mircea_popescu: np.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins` can't felch it from the OS at runtime? << os does not know your external ip, if you are behind a nat. as, e.g., a pogo is overwhelmingly likely to be.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: you know incidentally this fucking sucks.
mircea_popescu: artifexd baby we need that thing so we can use it as a model to make a new dhcp too!
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> there asciilifeform, i found you rishonim precedent in the kotzker rebbe discussion of buffet's plight. << anybody have a talmud handy ?
asciilifeform: scanner bed probably lexan instead of glass, etc << nah it was glass. but the whole rest of the thing appear to be plastic, except for a few pins and motor casings.
mircea_popescu: okok. rishonim as opposed to achronim, modern commentary as opposed to ancient. and the kotzker guy is just some famous rabbi.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform incidentally, this greek stuff is a fine test of the whole array of lizard hitler theory. clearly he couldn't possibly allow this, right ? when's the last time someone defaulted << greece et al are resource-burners. like wherever it was that '30s u.s. farmers burned wheat and poured out milk into latrines. the paper serfdom that results from the eventual 're-creditation' of the delinquent debtors
asciilifeform: is just a bonus.
artifexd: A dhcp?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: universal ip, as a sha512 hash. no more of this "os doesn't know its ip" bs.
asciilifeform: ipv6-style ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck thought that's even a workable scheme...
asciilifeform: which?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. ipv6 is fatally flawed in that it has no wot.
asciilifeform: well sure
mircea_popescu: the ipv4.
asciilifeform: ipv4 works other than the no-wot aspect
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: 'this cow is great except that it was bombed at guernica and doesn't look much like a cow any more'
mircea_popescu: you mean ipv4 works other than the "it doesn't allow every idiot online" aspect. gotta keep it under 10 mn or so.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re greece, i see that they're resource burners. that's not the q.
mircea_popescu: the q is, they just made a claim to sovereignity.
asciilifeform: they can make a claim to being martians with telepathic powers. my answer is answer to why no one comes in with bulldozer and whore cages
mircea_popescu: i don't see how it answers that ?
asciilifeform: they do exactly what is expected of'em.
mircea_popescu: there is after all a difference between farmer burning his own crop and guy going and burning other people's things.
asciilifeform: sorta like u.s. credit card chumps
mircea_popescu: well yes but this can be said universally of anyone.
asciilifeform: when other people helpfully bring you their things to burn
mircea_popescu: seems to me a misrepresentation of the situation.
asciilifeform: last i checked, greek panzers weren't overrunning germany and collecting all that isn't screwed down
mircea_popescu: the imf didn't give them money so as not to get it back.
mircea_popescu: so they're fraudsters rather than thieves ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: undisputed, but what does it help.
asciilifeform: but the symbiotic fraud described by orlov et al
mircea_popescu: all conmen ever claim to live at the pleasure of the king, of course.
mircea_popescu: but... they do not in fact.
asciilifeform: the other function of feeding the greeks is to prevent them from coming up for islamic fire sale like they did last time.
mircea_popescu: how come nobody is lending the ukraine 100 bn then ?
mircea_popescu: they could waste it better than the greeks their 20.
asciilifeform: they did, and did!
mircea_popescu: nah, they got some pittance, bn and half.
asciilifeform: not quite 100
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: why does one u.s. idiot get a 50K 'platinum' while another a 0.5K 'turd' ?
asciilifeform: same idea
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think putin is having string orgasms. imagine, greece in a compact with russia! sub bases ALL THROUGH THE ISLANDS.
mircea_popescu: ru navy staff is probably all drunk today
mircea_popescu: worst mission in the history of armed forces. "here are some fjords. find the subs. ALL OF THEM."
punkman: they are probably waiting until the US bases run out of money
mircea_popescu: unless they can find a way to run them in a vms or something.
mircea_popescu: from a greek perspective, switching bases every 10 years would be the best outcome, they can hire poor polacks to manage for the construction work.
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punkman: ah they are gonna pay after all http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/03/us-eurozone-greece-payment-idUSKBN0MU0M620150403
assbot: Greece says ready to make IMF payment on April 9| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLihMi )
mircea_popescu: is that actual or reuters confabulating
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mircea_popescu: "Mr. Theocharakis never characterized the technical teams of the institutions with the phrase attributed to him," the ministry said in a statement. "On the contrary ... he referred to them as saying they include 'top-notch people with impressive skills.'"
mircea_popescu: alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!"
punkman: heh
mats: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/dsm/4958797469.html
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trinque: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150402/15274630528/fbi-uncovers-another-its-own-plots-senator-feinstein-responds-saying-we-should-censor-internet.shtml << have to censor the internet because of the Anarchist's Cookbook... what year is it?!?!
assbot: FBI Uncovers Another Of Its Own Plots, Senator Feinstein Responds By Saying We Should Censor The Internet | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWfdSn )
Chillum: Senators are funny
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mircea_popescu: "we" ? what fucking we.
mircea_popescu: there's no we. scammers always start with this "we" business.
Chillum: we are not amused
asciilifeform: the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally.
asciilifeform: (though i cannot say whether the most supremely ludicrous recipes, like the 'banana dope', date to the original authorship or not)
asciilifeform: http://news.yahoo.com/u-arrests-two-women-over-alleged-bomb-plot-155326569.html ^ the l0l from trinque's link
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asciilifeform: so they're doing gurlz now.
asciilifeform: that, i suppose, is new.
Chillum: soon you will have to take your bra off in airports
Chillum needs the support!
asciilifeform: the day of the first uterus bomb approaches.
trinque: asciilifeform: I knew a kid in junior high who was convinced the banana peel thing was real
trinque: fuckin moron he was
asciilifeform: trinque: he tested ?
trinque: I think he tried to rot some banana peels, yeah
trinque: or whatever the procedure was
Chillum: I imagine smoking most plant matter will do _something_
Chillum: if only make you dizzy
trinque: probably inhaling sand would make you a bit dizzy
asciilifeform: 'The women, former roommates in the city borough of Queens, had researched how to build an explosive device and had read textbooks on electricity and watched online videos about soldering, it said.'
asciilifeform: soldering!
asciilifeform: burn the witches.
asciilifeform: 'When they were arrested, agents found bomb-building materials including propane gas tanks, soldering tools, pipes, a pressure cooker and fertilizer, authorities said.'
asciilifeform: ^ how many folks on my street qualify to join these gurlz in the jail.
trinque: sounds like an average suburban shed
Chillum: reading textbooks!
asciilifeform: watched online videos about soldering !
nubbins`: i think all this uint stuff is just a symptom of our boost installs being totally hosed
asciilifeform: nubbins`: uses same boost as my original portatronic
asciilifeform: nubbins`: which worked flawlessly on my boxes
nubbins`: sure, i mean i don't think it's putting itself together properly
nubbins`: check this out
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3x19hUaP
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9iCPs )
nubbins`: that was my latest, right? after i applied the kill int and dns snip patches
nubbins`: but notice how each error lists /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/cstdint.hpp:263
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is a -result- of my int patch
nubbins`: o
asciilifeform: it doesn't really fix things
nubbins`: anyway, i actually went into cstdint.hpp and replaced a few uint32_t instances with boost::uint32_t
nubbins`: and now when i run ./auto.sh, i get:
asciilifeform: because what ends up happening is that the uints end up being undefined in at least one place -without- the patch, but -defined more than once- if -with-
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P58bTpz3
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F9iS12 )
nubbins`: i'm admittedly out of my league here but that's complete vomit from 9 different orifices
nubbins`: ah fuck
nubbins`: no, that's not the right way to do it at all
nubbins`: hold on now
mircea_popescu: lmao electricity and soldering.
mircea_popescu: fascinating just how ignorant muricans are these days.
mike_c: because the average ____ knows how to solder?
mircea_popescu: i would expect ?
mircea_popescu: the average romanian knows how to solder.
mircea_popescu: what's to know, even. and don't give me the ny longshoreman's union line.
mike_c: not much to know, but it's not genetic.
mike_c: gotta learn sometime
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: average ro gurl knows ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, generally when dad's tinkering in garage.
mircea_popescu: no, average gurl can make goulash.
mircea_popescu: "The complaint said Siddiqui had been in contact with al Qaeda members and Velentzas was Facebook friends with Tairod Pugh, a U.S. Air Force veteran charged with attempting to aid Islamic State, a militant group that holds territory in Iraq and Syria. Pugh, 47, of Neptune, New Jersey, pleaded not guilty last month."
mircea_popescu: they pleaded!!!!
mircea_popescu: ah the adorbs imbecility of the english speaker.
mircea_popescu: inb4 pleaderated.
ben_vulpes: pleadarasty
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i don't think they even have peine forte et dure any more, in the english lands.
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nubbins`: total noob q here, why does boost redefine all these stdint types anyway
asciilifeform: nubbins`: because it was written by pig-men
nubbins`: lel.
nubbins`: y'know debian etc are probably just assuming one definition or the other
nubbins`: rather than halting at the ambiguity
nubbins`: if you wanna play whack-a-mole, here's a start: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Cnbdqf0Y
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GScSOP )
trinque: when presented with an ambiguous choice, always best to choose arbitrarily
trinque: lol
nubbins`: the correct way would i guess be to rip the boost namespace out of there
nubbins`: and explicitly declare it when needed
nubbins`: but i can imagine this'd be a bit of a task
nubbins`: unless there's a pressing need to use non-boost types, it's prob fine to just explicitly use the boost ones. not like the libs aren't being included anyway
asciilifeform: nubbins`: except then the non-boost libs cough and die
asciilifeform: what must be discovered is - why this happens during this static build
asciilifeform: and not otherwise.
asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.
asciilifeform: (see earlier thread.)
nubbins`: incidentally, there ARE other declarations of uint32_t in those files
asciilifeform: but they presumably agree with one another
nubbins`: they all appear to have the boost:: prefix except for the couple of instances in above patch
asciilifeform: (and with libs)
nubbins`: why these random couple of instances don't have boost:: is beyond me
asciilifeform: that -or- gcc simply doesn't get there
asciilifeform: dies before they get evaluated.
asciilifeform: this is another aspect of 'c/cpp ecosystem' that rattles nerves
nubbins`: seems weird you'd fall back to the non-boost version for these couple of random instances.
asciilifeform: you -don't actually ever know- if the barf you now have is the -total- barf.
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jurov: there could be some c++ namespace hackery
nubbins`: oh there's that.
asciilifeform: jurov: aha yes there is, look.
jurov: so that the boost:: prefix is needed depending on what is #included
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asciilifeform: trinque: that indictment is pure gold
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: qntra ^ ?
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086332 you mean such decrees as this? http://valdaiclub.com/russia_in_foreign_media/56980.html☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 13:48:47; mircea_popescu: jurov the idea being that putin didn't write himself a piece of paper saying "hey if i don't like you it's ok to take your stuff". or if he wrote, he didn't sign. or if he signed, he didn't publish. etc.
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asciilifeform: jurov: if you were king you would let sc4mz0rz squirrel away the nation's wealth in american banks ?
mircea_popescu: "into the country’s top-level bureaucrats and state employees "
mircea_popescu: see the difference ?
mircea_popescu: confiscating the bureaucracy's "money" is not even on the table.
mircea_popescu: anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright.
jurov: lol, you have never interacted with the govt?
mircea_popescu: nope.
jurov: or anyone in the US had?
mircea_popescu: that's their problem.
mircea_popescu: but no, i never cashed a govt paycheck.
mircea_popescu: which is why i don't have to report my fortune etc.
jurov: you ever paid any taxes?
mircea_popescu: all the time.
jurov: and that's not "having interacted"?
mircea_popescu: not what i meant eh.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted
asciilifeform: owns
asciilifeform: not 'lost'
asciilifeform: perhaps converse is to be inserted as well - anything that one -lost- from interacting with government, ought to be returned.
asciilifeform: except thermodynamics gets in the way
asciilifeform: they long ate and shat it.
Chillum: feed it to the mushrooms
Chillum: feed them shit, keep them in the dark
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see a plan to have everyone who ever worked for a government shipped to the salt mines until the whole sum is made back.
mircea_popescu: "here's how much you group of criminals owe. the pay is X an hour. get busy."
jurov: aha. and why it's so important that putin "didn't write", but just takes as he seems fit without elaborating on paper?
mircea_popescu: because rule of law jurov.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to be a thief, it's another to pretend not to be a thief.
mircea_popescu: which is why i write about people like bfl on trilema, but not about any one of the countless heists.
asciilifeform: jurov: what thing of yours did mr p take? i'd like to hear the full story here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well how'd he know.
jurov: alf whines all the time about as if obama took something from him.. so i'm trying to compare
asciilifeform: jurov: mr o takes half of what i make.
asciilifeform: and then some
asciilifeform: and will probably sign my hanging papers eventually
mircea_popescu: they have taxes in russia too don';t they ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 15% flat
asciilifeform: FLAT
asciilifeform: last i checked.
mircea_popescu: ya ya, except if you become an "oligarch", then they invent imaginary arears and steal your shit.
trinque: asciilifeform: what has you so convinced your head is going to roll?
asciilifeform: which 'oligarch' didn't steal 'his' money from the public in ru ?
asciilifeform: during 'privatization'
mircea_popescu: entirely different story.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not different at all. <mircea_popescu> anything anyone owns on the grounds of having interacted with a government is to be taken outright.
mircea_popescu: "steal from the public" is what, microsoft ? jp manufacturer of resistors ?
asciilifeform: how did the dekulakized folks in ru make their dough ?
mircea_popescu: well, the papers show they bought and sold.
mircea_popescu: this is fine.
mircea_popescu: they didn't, yoiu know, take employment with the govt.
asciilifeform: 'bought' for fire sale price from dead lion
mircea_popescu: and so...
mircea_popescu: not their problem.
asciilifeform: as crown concession from new regime
asciilifeform: crown gave - crown took.
mircea_popescu: also not their problem.
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: if i buy something from you, you're not "taking" it.
asciilifeform: if i'm only 'selling' for a penny because you torched my house the day before - then yes, took.
mircea_popescu: these are unequal things. commerce is between equal parties. employment is between unequal parties.
mircea_popescu: it makes no difference. don't want to sell, don't sell.
asciilifeform: the commerce between the arsonist and his victim is not commerce.
mircea_popescu: otherwise we'll start having to take back the ilk of shrem because hey, "they torched his house".
mircea_popescu: you still don't fucking sign.
mircea_popescu: once you've settled, you've settled.
asciilifeform: i mean i get the basic idea, 'to the victor - the spoils, to the vanqushed - the tears'
mircea_popescu: it's just, unlike things are and remain unlike.
asciilifeform: but what's with the dress-up games. if tomorrow yesterday's victor and vanquished switch places - the former doesn't get to whine about 'violations'
asciilifeform: same right of might as his original rape
mircea_popescu: depends on how the stuff was formalised.
asciilifeform: except the cock's on the other pudenda now.
mircea_popescu: which is what rule of law is all about.
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow it is discovered bharara was acting under mere color of law,
mircea_popescu: the people who didn't sign a confession walk
mircea_popescu: the people who did sign a confession stay in.
asciilifeform: if the law gets scrapped and re-written every time the throne changes hands - what is the law ?
mircea_popescu: that really has no bearing on the case here.
Chillum: If I was involved in the formation of a new regime I would institute a policy of mercy on the old regime. If only because any new regime is likely to be taken over by the next
Chillum: want to set a precedent
mircea_popescu: Chillum it's a stupider idea than you realise.
mats slaps forehead
asciilifeform: Chillum: we all get eaten by worms in the end. why not start now. right ?
asciilifeform: l0l
Chillum: I intend to be eaten by wolves
mircea_popescu: consider the matter in terms you're better equipped to handle. if, upon breaking up a girl with her former boyfriend, you institute a policy that she may fuck him whenever,
mats: kill yourself
mircea_popescu: you're merely stating that you're not really the new boyfriend.
trinque: maybe Chillum is referring to what happened in Iraq for example, where former baathists end up in ISIS
asciilifeform: mats: he can't, no wolf in sight yet
mircea_popescu: they'll revert and you'll be out of the loop soon enough.
Chillum: trinque: ^^
Chillum: yup
Chillum: plan for failure
mircea_popescu: if you plan for failure, go home.
mats: ought to have properly executed every last baathist.
Chillum: failure to plan for failure is the ultimate failure
mircea_popescu: ha. you and what army mats ?
trinque: "they" "should"
trinque: the them!
asciilifeform: anyone recall the folk tale where the headsman is ordered to chop own head ?
mircea_popescu: oic. yes, they should. and they actually do.
mircea_popescu: part of why isis seems respectable where the usarmy does not.
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asciilifeform: i'll respect when they build so much as one mosfet. or a hydro plant. or own radar array. or at least stop using fucking caesar ciphers.
trinque: asciilifeform: can't, science is from satan
trinque: maybe they're respectable like one respects a forest fire
asciilifeform: trinque: atheist kalash is also from satan, doesn't prevent the 'doublethink'
asciilifeform: trinque: forest fires can't be tricked and tripped like a child.
trinque: not in terms of thinking creatures, though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yeah, if they actually were intellectually respectable i'd prolly be there.
mircea_popescu: but we were discussing agency rather than techne here
asciilifeform: when the ancients anthropomorphisized nature and 'respected', e.g., the sea, it was because it was -indomitable-
mircea_popescu: not necessarily.
asciilifeform: go try respect a puddle
trinque: it's too early in the morning for this zen shit
trinque: :p
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform danae fucked a (pee) puddle was pregnant.
trinque: seems like isis is just good kindling for a larger middle eastern war
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rain, not puddle
asciilifeform: rain is respectable.
trinque: I wouldn't expect them to continue to exist if/when that kicks off
mircea_popescu: golden rain tho.
mircea_popescu: if that's not piss...
trinque: though I wish I understood the saudi/iran dynamic more
mircea_popescu: (and yes, you can end up pregnant from piss)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pH ?
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mircea_popescu: the little buggers are really persistent.
asciilifeform: i suppose you only need one spermatozoid
asciilifeform: (though modern data suggests they have flock dynamics and pheromonal strange, like ants)
mircea_popescu: which is weird, considering.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i recall some stuff about how white sperms beat up black sperms.
asciilifeform does not recall 'fighting sperm' but there was the gradient-following thing
trinque: https://www.theverge.com/2014/7/29/5948003/scientists-discover-killer-roundworm-sperm-hermaphrodites
asciilifeform: 'On or about October 24, 2014, VELENTZAS viewed on her cellular telephone YouTube videos about a beginner's tutorial for soldering, tools and steps for soldering and de-soldering, how to solder wires together, how to solder a circuit board, common soldering mistakes, and introduction to flux, a product used in soldering tasks.'
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me.
asciilifeform: ( http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1700764-velentzas-and-siddiqui-complaint.html#document/p2 )
assbot: Velentzas and Siddiqui Complaint ... ( http://bit.ly/1CChaqq )
mircea_popescu: i would imagine by now the number of retarded people being abused through this scandalous mockery of law exceeds the "sex offenders"
mircea_popescu: but hey, the us is solving its homeless population, and the un doesn't even seem to notice or anything.
mircea_popescu: what about sanctions for human rights violations in africa's most recent presidential autocracy ?
asciilifeform: 'VELENTZAS also told the UC that she was progressing in her electrical studies and had used a solder tool to solder copper wires together, although VELENTZAS had suffered a small burn on her finger in the process. The UC observed a burn mark on VELENTZAS's finger.'
asciilifeform: https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption << mega-l0l
assbot: ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCirhj )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i got a response from fortune, not the one i was hoping for either
asciilifeform: 'https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption / CTIA - "The Best App of CTIA by the Techlicious 2012 Best of CTIA Awards" / PC Magazine - "PC Magazine Best Apps" / TRUSTe - Received "TRUSTe Privacy Seal" / Global Mobile Internet Conference App Space - "A top 50 app" ......... Looks like a substitution cipher. What if it's just XOR? Like just fuckin' XOR?'
mircea_popescu: do they indicate where to send process ?
asciilifeform: cazalla, mircea_popescu: toldya they'd say 'pound sand'
cazalla: http://dpaste.com/2E1T9JN
assbot: dpaste: 2E1T9JN ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCiJ7I )
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i care what the idiot has to say lmao.
asciilifeform: judge will say 'hated terrorist vs. fortune co.' 'case closed.'
asciilifeform: or what, mircea_popescu expects to get in the mail a package with the head of the fella who signed the 'do not cite qntra' memo taped on 'fortune' monkeys' cubicles ?
asciilifeform: the 'we did not claim they broke the news' thing is pure gold.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i'd say they'd banned from qntra, and we just rewrite their breaking stuff without credit given, but then again they've not broken anything since like the 80s, they just rewrite random feeds.
asciilifeform: if someone steals his golden toilet, and thief answers 'i did not claim it was mine, just took it' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of i expect to get that head. i am getting that head.
asciilifeform: but not in the mail
mircea_popescu: in whatever manner.
asciilifeform: and not because of a verdict from an american court.
mircea_popescu: if that is true, that is to their detriment.
mircea_popescu: they don't as much as have a fucking legal address on the site, anything.
mircea_popescu: it could be a blogspot blog for all anyone knows.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-gchq-jtrig-intercept-15-0402.pdf << mega-l0l. nsa/gchq spam campaigns to drum up support for british colonial falklands vs. argentina claim.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ this is still a thing!? l0l!
mircea_popescu: well sure it is.
cazalla: i looked for a legal contact, not finding anything, might have to be sent to time inc as they appear to own fortune.com
asciilifeform: 'GCHQ has consistently underperformed on Brazil, with growing concerns that Sth [sic] American attitudes on the Falklands are swinging behind Argentina....'
mircea_popescu: cazalla http://dpaste.com/21W5GH3
assbot: dpaste: 21W5GH3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1D10wlR )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, nice, i'll hold off responding to this daniel roberts fellow and see what comes of yours
mircea_popescu: the point asciilifeform doesn't appreciate here is that i'd much rather spend 10k to sue forbes over a missatributed story than spend 10k to buy "clicks" on facebook or w/e.
mircea_popescu: you can readily ignore the muppet.
asciilifeform: probably same result from each 10k
asciilifeform: but it's mircea_popescu's 10k, if he wants to spend it on a new coat of pain for dirigible - perfectly good
asciilifeform: *paint
cazalla: it's fortune.com really no difference
mircea_popescu: the donkey said to the man breaking ground, that no grains grow in freshly broken ground.
mircea_popescu: that's right. not yet, they don't.
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897445 << ever read, 'A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court' by Twain? http://pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/digi038.pdf☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:21:38; decimation: I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmSJ0 )
asciilifeform: mats: http://www.mvkworld.com/eBooks/pages/Science%20Fiction/Poul_William_Anderson_-_The_Man_Who_Came_Early.pdf << MUCH better story about same
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCmWs2 )
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mats: we'll see.
asciilifeform: more realistic ending, for one.
asciilifeform: and less sanctimonious twain bullshit
mike_c: search.b-a issues a known problem? doesn't seem to have indexed the last few days
mike_c: ^ mthreat?
mircea_popescu: which issues be those ?
mircea_popescu: !s issues
assbot: 696 results for 'issues' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=issues
mircea_popescu: Checking Query Cache For Query53 µs
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time
mike_c: issues be it's not returning anything from the last couple days
asciilifeform: checking cache takes 1/3 of the total time << ahahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: !s fortune
assbot: 176 results for 'fortune' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fortune
mircea_popescu: mike_c whoopsie hadn't noticed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shut up dude. if advanced aliens show up they perforce know of caching
mike_c: 1/3 of the total time is 53 microseconds? that's pretty fast..
mircea_popescu: perhaps they even show us how to make one.
mircea_popescu: mike_c game server whadda ya want
asciilifeform: aliens - yes, on account of light speed.
mike_c: ah. game time and web time are not the same orders of magnitude :)
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: this, i'll grant, is an insane piece of gnarl with three joins in it. for prototyping not really used in code.
asciilifeform: browser that spends 56mS rooting through cache - thank sv and their stables of delinquent children turned into 'programmers'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sql profiling, nothing to do with browsers.
trinque: ah three joins isn't that bad
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same rot
mike_c: and he said us, not ms
mircea_popescu: i really have no idea. and yes micro.
asciilifeform: micro - less abjectly idiotic
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1080139 << ahem☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 00:27:33; danielpbarron: search won't find results past this line -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2015#1079336
asciilifeform: that's roughly 140000 cpu cycles on, e.g., my box, though
cazalla: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086310 <<< what's DTF mean? down to fish? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHn79buv5-o
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 12:23:47; nubbins`: broud was DTF at all times
assbot: Chinese Guy Says to Girl "Are You DTF?" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D13Ddw )
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: down to fish, yeah
asciilifeform: wut
nubbins`: i kid
nubbins`: down to FUCK, yo
nubbins`: should have a patch on the ml in an hour or so, probably poison but feel free to give it a look
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: what's in your patch ?
nubbins`: modifies auto.sh to copy the openssl libs to ourlibs, adds boost:: to the errant uint32_t instances
nubbins`: pretty hatchety
nubbins`: build still stalls out with cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto
nubbins`: i guess, anyway. verifying now
mod6: this works "as designed" on deb6 - so you might wanna put a note in there what platform this is intended for.
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UTehUrB2
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvZqhP )
nubbins`: mod6 this isn't for consumption
asciilifeform: jurov: do you still keep that bitcoind src concordance www thing up to date ?
nubbins`: just playing around
mod6: ok thx. your message at the top is good. much appreciated
nubbins`: i will probably be doing this as a general rule going forward
nubbins`: no code changes i make should be misconstrued as being implicitly sane in any fashion
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mats: asciilifeform: good read.
nubbins`: hi hfdhfhfhurururhf
asciilifeform: meowmix.
nubbins`: 8)
asciilifeform: !up hfdhfhfhurururhf
asciilifeform: robot, what is your purpose ?
asciilifeform: i guess ^ that.
nubbins`: if anyone else gets "1 target failed, 3 skipped" at the end of their Boost build: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MVWupgZj
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw1G8Q )
nubbins`: that's them
trinque: asciilifeform: https://i.imgur.com/XPYPHAJ.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw1V3Q )
cazalla: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086456 <<< women who care not to match the colour of their bra to their panties should def hang
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.
asciilifeform: trinque: wat
jurov: asciilifeform: how up to date? it does not apply patches automatically
trinque: asciilifeform: grepped for the host part there
cazalla: nothing gets me more riled up than a stupid bitch who doesn't match colours.. autism rages
asciilifeform: jurov: ok then no
mircea_popescu: the neverending fountain of weird shit... so alf get a load of this!
mircea_popescu: i make a bootable gentoo cd. system boots fine on it. this was last night. today, i go to work on it again, IT NO LONGER BOOTS.
mircea_popescu: same fucking everything untouched.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: left it running or powered down ?
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asciilifeform: and what's it do instead of booting
mircea_popescu: powered down. and what it does INSTEAD of booting is what totally blew my mind
mircea_popescu: one sec ima take a picture of it.
jurov: wasn't it april fools cd?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/gentoo-derpage.jpg <
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw3fDI )
mircea_popescu: can't access tty ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: can't find the boot device AFTER BOOTING FROM IT ? srsly ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatcha used for a boot loader ?
asciilifeform: lilo ?
asciilifeform: kernel wants rootfs device on kernelcommandline when boots
mircea_popescu: w/e comes with the minimal install
asciilifeform: was, judging by this photo, given none.
asciilifeform: it wants one
asciilifeform: or has no fucking clue where to mount root fs
mircea_popescu: it didn't want one last night ;/
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asciilifeform: was disk in the drive
asciilifeform: last night
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: then.
mircea_popescu: it's still in there now!
mircea_popescu: nothing whatsoever changed.
asciilifeform: try giving it the actual root device when it asks
asciilifeform: instead of letting it die into busybox
asciilifeform: (why even built it with busybox, i wonder)
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: moreover, im not aware i actually did
asciilifeform: didja even build this kernel.
mircea_popescu: and how the fuck does it not find the cd when it booted off the cd!
asciilifeform: cd is not build to be usable as rootfs
asciilifeform: *built
asciilifeform: (typically it contains a thing that can be booted from and ends up living in ram, like my pogo 'turdel')
asciilifeform: but not to be mounted as a rootfs by a normal kernel.
mircea_popescu: look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu poured diesel into petrol engine
mircea_popescu: meh.
asciilifeform: at any rate, give it the rootfs.
asciilifeform: if boots, then stuff it into the kernel cmd line params in lilo (or grub or whatever you used)
asciilifeform: then it will work for all time.
asciilifeform: alternatively compile the cmdline into kernel per se
asciilifeform: like i do on 'pogo' builds.
mircea_popescu: if im going to actually have to do shit by hand im not going ot use the retarded "live cd" bs.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why these people keep offering offers they can't actually offer.
asciilifeform: i very rarely install gentoo from cd, must say. normally i install using a normal computer with the 'patient' disk plugged in
asciilifeform: as just a disk.
asciilifeform: then when the contents are in place, we move disk to its final home and try to boot from it, etc.
mircea_popescu: yeah well that's nice, but srsly...
asciilifeform: look at your lilo (or grub) config.
mircea_popescu: "The Gentoo minimal installation CD is a bootable CD which contains a self-sustained Gentoo environment. It allows the user to boot Linux from the CD."
mircea_popescu: their fucking handbook or w/e that is.
asciilifeform: sure does
asciilifeform: -the linux on the cd-
mircea_popescu: is the idea im booting gentoo off the cd and it gives me ash ?!
asciilifeform: wai wat, did that box -boot from cd- ?
asciilifeform: the one in the pic
mircea_popescu: yes dude
mircea_popescu: what do you think im going on about here!
asciilifeform: though this was the second attempt to boot an -installed- linux.
mircea_popescu: no.
asciilifeform: !
mircea_popescu: see, THAT would have made sense.
asciilifeform like total idiot assumed the variant that makes sense.
mircea_popescu: this is why i said you won't believe it.
mircea_popescu: because a) even if the cd somehow failed it shouldnb't fail like this
mircea_popescu: and b) wtf.
asciilifeform: and this is a commonplace ibmpclike thing with ata cdrom, etc. ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: not some crazy sun dildostation.
asciilifeform: hm.
mircea_popescu: and i mean sure w/e i could compile it and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: but so far am very nonplussed.
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asciilifeform: meanwhile,
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== at 0x4C7D43: CWallet::ResendWalletTransactions() (wallet.cpp:678)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x44A1EB: SendMessages(CNode*, bool) (main.cpp:156)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x47011C: ThreadMessageHandler2(void*) (net.cpp:1505)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x4702C6: ThreadMessageHandler(void*) (net.cpp:1464)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x64DB082: start_thread (in /lib64/libpthread-2.19.so)
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== by 0x6FEF26C: clone (in /lib64/libc-2.19.so)
asciilifeform: and several dozen more like it.
mircea_popescu: that's nice
asciilifeform: this is not weirdobuild either
asciilifeform: this is STANDARD dynamic
asciilifeform: am i the first to run full-bore valgrind on it or wut
mircea_popescu: so apparently we found satoshi
mircea_popescu: his name is mel.
asciilifeform: shatoshi
asciilifeform: and people use this thing, huh.
asciilifeform would like a copy of mircea_popescu's trinary sovcoin plz. because this is just Sad.
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.new
assbot: [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw70ZN )
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asciilifeform: woodc0ll3kt0r!!!
asciilifeform: he's back!
punkman: I don't even
nubbins`: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000081.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iw7L59 )
nubbins`: i also don't even
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nubbins`: dem filenames
nubbins` files this away for next time
trinque: holy shit the guy's made dragonballs
jurov: nubbins`: the patches need uniquie identifiers for people sending sigs later
trinque: "much like Satoshi" ahahha my sides
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nubbins`: jurov yeah i stupidly attached the shasum of my patch file to the filename
nubbins`: didn't realize the ml does it for me
jurov: lol never occurred to me someone would do it
nubbins`: lel @ woodcollector
nubbins`: he should write a book
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this out : if you boot off the cd, gentoo works ONCE. if you reboot it, it no longer works. if you boot machine with something else, this resets it, and you can now boot gentoo off cd again. ONCE.
asciilifeform: pathological liars don't automatically make good storytellers, much as folks with no bowel control are not by this fertilizatory virtue automatically good farmers.
mircea_popescu: wtf does it corrupt, the bios is not new enough and there's no hdd
nubbins`: mircea_popescu maybe the livecd checks the hdd for rootfs, tried to mount partially-installed one or smth
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all boots here were 'cold' ?
asciilifeform: or 'warm'
mircea_popescu: all were cold.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` logical, but no hdd attached.
asciilifeform: as in, mains power removed ?
nubbins`: a
mircea_popescu: as in fans stopped.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the mega-l0l of 'cookbook' is that it was usg-authored originally. << Seems to have been independently written and later blessed because of its error, contrast to "Poor Mans James Bond" written by fellow who wanted to be their friend, but his work... not blessed
mircea_popescu: you want me to actually drain the mobo light ?
asciilifeform: yes.
mircea_popescu: ok, trying this one for my own curio
nubbins`: asciilifeform i don't think he can produce a good story -- that much is obvious -- but it'd be nice for him to condense his stupidity into a single volume that could be burned
asciilifeform: nubbins`: unfortunately - stupidity doesn't work like ova
nubbins`: :/
asciilifeform: not a finite count of it in the vessel
nubbins`: you're not born with all the stupidity you'll ever have
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins` applauds
nubbins`: anyway i guess the dude saw my auction and got jealous
nubbins`: figured giving away 5k btc is pretty ballin
nubbins`: nevermind that the entire concept is ludicrous
nubbins`: tempted to move 5k coins and post tx in the thread claiming that i've found the capsule ;/
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: but why add credence to idiocy.
mircea_popescu: " Inside that container is 1,000 bronze bitcoins"
asciilifeform: ick, debased roman bitcoins
mircea_popescu: i mean, buy a plural ffs.
asciilifeform: only gold bitcoin is genuine.
nubbins`: forged in a time when men were men and haters left wood carvers alone
mircea_popescu: "I have made and sold 9 2015 wooden physical bitcoins listed below. Each one of those coins has hidden in or on it a part of the puzzle. The key to decoding the first part of that puzzle is coin #10 which after much though is being given to someone whom i already chose from this forum. In order to decode each individual wooden coin you will have to have #10 in its physical presence and in order to solve the entire firs
mircea_popescu: t clue you will need to posses and have all 10 coins in the same physical location. The clues in the coins were crafted in a fashion that you will never find them let alone figure them out via photographs, with x-rays, or in any fashion other than having all the coins in the same location at the same time to solve the puzzle."
asciilifeform: know what would be riotously funny? if american 'nature preservation' agency rounded the idiot up and took'im to preet
asciilifeform: for the crime of poaching rare wood, naturally
mircea_popescu: check it out, this is pure rationality. long live bayes!
asciilifeform: self-confessed
nubbins`: mircea_popescu whoa i didn't read that far.
mircea_popescu: cold cold boot does it. where the fuck does it store its stupid bits alf ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dram remanence ?
mircea_popescu: that reliable ?!
mircea_popescu: there must be some eeprom in the bios that i don't know about.
asciilifeform: http://www.cert.org/digital-intelligence/tools/afterlife.cfm? << depends on box
assbot: AfterLife | Digital Intelligence and Investigation | The CERT Division ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwaBXG )
nubbins`: "i am so rich that 5000 btc is a mere pittance, but a bunch of forum scamzors will have to collectively shell out ~$10k in airfare in order to unravel the mystery"
asciilifeform: (whatsthat? little proggy that warmboots machine with small linux and reads dram 0..top to a usb stick.)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` funny thing is, ego and intelligence are unrelated variables at birth. plenty of people roll 6-1.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: tbh i forgot about the guy
nubbins`: he must've been plotting this whole time
mircea_popescu: lol right.
asciilifeform: actually 'remanence' is wrong word here!
asciilifeform: because the dram was never powered down
asciilifeform: it is doing its job
mircea_popescu: as opposed to, whole thing occured to him this morning as he was sitting on shitter and contemplating what a laughingstock he is
asciilifeform: warm boot on pc arch doesn't cycle dram reset
mircea_popescu: and then he wrote it all breathlessly and didn't bother to proofread before submitting.
asciilifeform: pc owner oughta know that.
asciilifeform: (to be fair, pc arch standard is dead and what i said is probably wrong for at least every box in seven on the market.)
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu cannot be faulted for not giving a rat's arse
mircea_popescu: well i can be faulted all anyone wants, but guyess what!
asciilifeform: my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because:
asciilifeform: as a kid i always imagined that the shit tank was bottomless.
asciilifeform: or at least, like a skyscraper, but sorta inverted
asciilifeform: into the ground.
asciilifeform: or how else could hold generations of turds.
asciilifeform: i even saw it, in dreams
asciilifeform: this titanic edifice.
asciilifeform: now i realize it was true. except not outhouse, but pc arch and the whole stack of softs.
BingoBoingo: !b 8
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asciilifeform: in other news, i think i've a fixed-ram-space bitcoind running...
asciilifeform: will say, after it syncs, if so, and how
asciilifeform: also writing broadcast (s.nsa) and buncha other things in shiva hands
punkman: is there an easy way to induce an arbitrary-sized chain reorg for testing?
asciilifeform: there is not an easy way to do much of anything.
asciilifeform: what are we looking for, at the bottom of that tank? a golden ring ?
asciilifeform: i can't recall losing one...
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mats: http://syprog.blogspot.ru/2015/04/linux-loadable-kernel-module-in-assembly.html
assbot: System Programming: Linux Loadable Kernel Module in Assembly ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwfeRP )
asciilifeform: mats: works but ver magic.
mats: 'ver magic'?
asciilifeform: mod won't load unless matches kernel ver.
mats: o.
asciilifeform: no big deal, not hard to determine.
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BingoBoingo: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/eastereggs.html << win
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mircea_popescu: punkman the best way to test that sort of thing is on a local testnet with low diff.
mircea_popescu: make n chain then make reorg
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nubbins`: asciilifeform i think i've got it
asciilifeform: ?
nubbins`: cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto
mircea_popescu: "The computer has no way of knowing by examining the word itself, whether a word is intended as a number or an instruction. Under most circumstances it is the numbers which are operated on and the instructions which are followed as instruction. The LGP-30 has the ability to operate on instructions as numbers. This ability is not only valuable but a feature which makes for the great power of stored program computers. Ho
mircea_popescu: wever, it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions. Since an instruction word is indistinguishable from a number word, some means must be provided to avoid using numbers as instructions. How this is accomplished is described under "BUILDING A PROGRAM". Also, how we convert from a 2000 to the binary representation shown is discussed later."
mircea_popescu: fucking nuts.
mircea_popescu: http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/lgp-30-man.html#R1.00 << ancient manuals are great, but good god the stuff one finds in there
assbot: LGP - 30 PROGRAMMING MANUAL ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwkG6Z )
asciilifeform: 'it is always to be avoided to use numbers as instructions.' << translation from ru? cn ?
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mircea_popescu: its english
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asciilifeform: its english << as written by su mole deep in the british ministry of fucktardation ?
mircea_popescu: someone at royal mcbee i imagine.
mircea_popescu: you wanted using instead of to use ?
asciilifeform: 'it is always to be avoided' ?????!
trinque: "using numbers as instructions should always be avoided"
trinque: weird word order
mircea_popescu: yes ?
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nubbins`: asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwpadZ )
trinque: just something you see in translations, not that a NY company's manual would be
nubbins`: others who are trying to build on gentoo should also see above link ^
nubbins`: build script doesn't copy any of the openssl includes or libs to the ourlibs/ directory
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nubbins`: but apparently this only fails (so far) on gentoo.
trinque: it's going to get pretty difficult to follow along before long
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i must remind readers that my 'dns snip' patch does not remove all usage of dns from bitcoin
asciilifeform: only for seeding
nubbins`: nod
trinque: are you gents permanently opposed to vcs?
asciilifeform: it still gets used when irc-connecting and when attempting to determine external ip from behind nat
asciilifeform: trinque: excellent question! see thread
mircea_popescu: During the conversation, the UC stated, "We read chemistry books with breakfast. Like, who does that?" VELENTZAS responded, "People who want to make history."
mircea_popescu: orly ? what about you know, every sophomore ever.
trinque finds tons of talk about venture capitalists :p
mircea_popescu: trinque what are we but vcs.
mircea_popescu: we're opposed to retards.
asciilifeform: trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922660 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:31:06; asciilifeform: but the argument here is not about sabotaged ken-thompson-style tools. but about tools that foster intellectual atrophy.
asciilifeform: ^ mandatory thread
trinque: mircea_popescu: talkin bout version control
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922669 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:34:02; asciilifeform: but i will not be signing any patch that i can't apply with my mind, in my mental model of the code.
asciilifeform: ^ this is absolutely vital to understand.
nubbins`: i haven't verified that you necessarily need to apply the dns snip patch for it to compile on gentoo
nubbins`: that getaddrinfo stuff was just a warning
nubbins`: it only happened to spit out right after the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it is a warning that tells you the fact that YOUR BIN WILL ONLY RUN ON YOUR BOX
asciilifeform: pretty dire so far as warnings go.
nubbins`: :D
trinque: asciilifeform: heh I replied to you there as undata and the opinion still stands
trinque: but w/e you guys are doing the lifting, yours to decide
asciilifeform: trinque: try to understand why.
trinque: it's just not clear which chains of patches are which
trinque: and will increasingly be so
asciilifeform: trinque: there is precisely one set of 'official' patches
asciilifeform: that is, ones that made it into the release
asciilifeform: there is also another set, of dangerous patches which may or may not turn into tree candidates.
nubbins`: trinque this is sort of like the bible, in that various acid fevers are recorded and some of them end up being canon
trinque: lol
nubbins`: i'm not joking
asciilifeform: anyone so much as touching the dangerous patches needs to actually grasp what is going on.
nubbins`: anyway alf if you get some spare cycles, can you try my patch & verify that i'm not crazy?
mircea_popescu: you're crazy even with the patch.
nubbins`: !s simple minded psychopath
assbot: 4 results for 'simple minded psychopath' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=simple+minded+psychopath
trinque: entirely possible to use git or something else for dev, patch process for release
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: ah w/e
trinque: but I see the sense of this
nubbins`: i think the original was hyphenated
asciilifeform: trinque: do you know the biblical story about the camel's nose ?
mircea_popescu: trinque honestly im just waiting for them to get buried in more pizza packaging first.
asciilifeform: well, pseudo-biblical
trinque: asciilifeform: something something nose tent
ben_vulpes: trinque: i keep my own vcs system and apply patches directly from mu4e
ben_vulpes: branch, apply patch, run tests in vm
ben_vulpes: attempt to compile et
ben_vulpes: etc*
trinque: so now what if you want to collaborate on a branch
trinque: you're just manually doing the same thing
trinque shrugs
asciilifeform: it is NOT the same thing!
ben_vulpes: nobody's collaborating on anything man
ben_vulpes: the shitty thing doesn't even compile yet
trinque: and this is desirable?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes yes it does :)
asciilifeform: it doesn't compile -statically-
ben_vulpes: ah, nubbins -- sanity!
ben_vulpes: well, yes.
ben_vulpes: compiles to my requirements.
nubbins`: asciilifeform yes it does!
asciilifeform: trinque: do you recall the conversation about sov. nuke subs ?
asciilifeform: and their reactor controls
ben_vulpes: does *not* compile to my requirements, i mean.
asciilifeform: the same outcome is not proof that you are 'doing the same thing'
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086328 >> he's right.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 13:37:28; nubbins`: but he fears others will think it sucks, or worse, that his taste is so poor that it *does* suck and he just doesn't see it
asciilifeform: sometimes, the -process- matters.
trinque: ok, I am aware of your perspective
asciilifeform: because the -process- provides guarantees of...
asciilifeform: !s provenance
assbot: 26 results for 'provenance' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=provenance
trinque: you can easily verify the output of git
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> nobody's collaborating on anything man << this is like the first time ever people are seriously using a noncollaborative approach to coding.
asciilifeform: programmers as a class have severe trouble with this concept, in my experience
nubbins`: haha
asciilifeform: because they live & die by idempotence of identical bits
nubbins`: the adversarial approach to development
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only whores masquerading as programmers.
asciilifeform: (also see the 'what colour are your bits' essay)
mircea_popescu: "it rubbed me nicely, same thing"
trinque: not at all what I'm saying
nubbins` snoozes while waiting for bitcoind to find seeds
asciilifeform: trinque: when you use a version control apparatus, it is very easy to produce patches that cannot be applied using your mind
asciilifeform: and this quickly becomes the only kind of patch produced.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eventually that list jurov keeps will become unusable as a flat thing, you are aware.
nubbins`: "patch" = updating 5,000 files at once
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eventually
mircea_popescu: even if your version control is strictly "X -> Y -> Z" which are all control points
trinque: if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked
mircea_popescu: it's still fucking version control.
trinque: running diff and patch by hand isn't going to fix it
asciilifeform: nubbins`: laugh, but what do you imagine would happen if one of us were to, e.g., reindent it.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i used that example because i've seen precisely this sort of bullshit committed to svn
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asciilifeform: trinque: it's a deliberate antiautomation, to keep things short
asciilifeform: like the orators who were forced to stand on one leg
nubbins`: <+trinque> if you can't rely on the discipline of the people involved you're already fucked <<< by this metric, /we have been fucked from day one/
nubbins`: have you LOOKED at the code? :S
trinque: you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p
nubbins`: 8)
trinque: who is "we" there?
nubbins`: for dramatic effect
trinque: everyone who ever poked his dick into the github?
nubbins`: everyone who ever poked his dick in pre-0.5.4 bitcoin
asciilifeform: the approach does not 'fix' anything, no. but it prevents certain plagues that are otherwise ubiquitous
asciilifeform: and 100% fatal.
trinque: by that logic you should never drive, because the machine's capable of 130mph into a brick wall
trinque: anyhow, proceed as you like
nubbins`: noooooo, the analogy would be a car with a governor that kicks in at 200kph
nubbins`: y'know, like they have in actual cars in real life
trinque: "actual cars" ?
nubbins`: <+trinque> you're just intentionally misunderstanding me now :p
trinque: ahahha
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nubbins`: for the record, your car is almost certainly not "capable" of doing anything at 130mph
nubbins`: except maybe freefalling
mircea_popescu: this is why you like the two ton mercedes.
mircea_popescu: flies at 200km/h
nubbins`: ehh, i once got a chrysler neon up to 205.
nubbins`: (this only works downhill)
trinque: nubbins`: my old 300zx could certainly do 130
trinque: current vw crapwagon nope
nubbins`: trinque and is your 300zx for granny smith, or for a driver who knows the risks?
mircea_popescu: the only time i trusted a us pos i had a break plate of a ford explode. just like that.
nubbins`: and thus, the analogy complete.
mircea_popescu: we nearly fucking died.
nubbins`: WOO
nubbins`: height=6538
nubbins` applauds
mircea_popescu: look a tthat. that's almost like a modern block's worth altogether.
trinque: mircea_popescu: damn, yeah I don't drive american cars
mircea_popescu: i don't drive either, but yeah.
mircea_popescu: in fairness this was prolly assembled in canada out of vietnamese parts or some shit. "american" what's that.
trinque: nubbins`: wait so granny smith is who you want working on bitcoind?
nubbins`: again, you deliberately misunderstand
trinque: all I'm saying is use tools that don't slow down the work, and have merge nazis using shame and dishonor at the center
nubbins`: it's not a question of who i want working on it
nubbins`: or of who i "want" "working" on it
trinque: the problem's solved by the wot not diff and patch
nubbins`: i dunno man
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punkman: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/how-a-3-85-latte-paid-for-with-a-fake-100-bill-lead-to-counterfeit-kingpins-downfall/
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ben_vulpes: trinque: you and i can collaborate any time that we want, by derping at our respective repos
trinque: I am well convinced that you guys like your process and there's nothing wrong with that.
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ben_vulpes: i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today
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mats: https://soundcloud.com/viceroymusic/viceroy-french-horn-rebellion
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jurov: https://shapeshift.io/blog.html wow, evoor is really intrepid
assbot: The ShapeShift Blog | Shape Shift | The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbYMt5 )
jurov: (scroll down and bask in his blue eyes)
jurov: "Erik Voorhees as Founder of ShapeShift, announces seed round with Barry Silbert, Roger Ver" further down
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jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass.
BingoBoingo: He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes?
jurov: yes
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: breaking: erik voorhees falsely claims to have created things that he didn't
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asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> i don't like it, it's just the ad-hoc thing that works today << i'm not convinced that there could be any reasonable alternative.
asciilifeform: for so long as the thing needs changing at all - this is how it is changed.
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31bwnf/seriously_this_will_most_likely_hail_downvotes/
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asciilifeform: 26. Secret Service searched Facebook for the name Jack Farrel and discovered a Facebook user site for an individual named Jack Farrel who claimed to live in Uganda. This user's Facebook site also had photographs of Jack Farrel.
asciilifeform: 27. A.B. was shown one of the photographs from Jack Farrel's Facebook site. A.B. confirmed that this photograph was the Jack Farrel who provided him with the counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes.
asciilifeform: 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON.
asciilifeform: ^ l0l
asciilifeform: ( https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-SqZC5_Cmo6NUC1p3/gov.uscourts.pawd.220730.1.1_djvu.txt )
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asciilifeform: 'At the time, Clock argued that he was simply a sort of benevolent overlord. "I decided to help other people and give them this opportunity, I see myself as a do gooder, I know many might argue with that, but when you get people coming to you saying they used to have NOTHING and were begging on a street corner looking for $30 and now he's a boss, sure makes me feel good," he added. "I actually feel more of a [R]obinhood and en
asciilifeform: joy helping people who have nothing, I create jobs.. I do better then [sic] [O]bama creating jobs my employees are all happy now."'
asciilifeform: but 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.' (TM)
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIgwoLCZ9Uc << obligatory
assbot: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Frntyd )
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVEPnAGZLyE << proper uncut version
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asciilifeform: 'icarus and the wise men'
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asciilifeform: mega-recommended ^
asciilifeform: (mostly self-explanatory without transl.)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you do email in emacs? i've been using mu4e and am about out of patience - coming back around to "show me the ancient tools that handle this ancient problem".
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i typically compose in emacs but do not use it as a 'client'
asciilifeform: (nor anything else)
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asciilifeform: i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv
ben_vulpes: huh
asciilifeform: for a few things, even 'gmail'
asciilifeform: yes.
ben_vulpes: i'm particularly frustrated at verifying sigs and what has one.
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: some guy came across a bunch of old bmezine saline-injection pics
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/4jSKe
assbot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel_head - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ic9uzU )
nubbins`: (for those wondering wtfx1000, the saline completely absorbs into your tissue after a few hours)
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes? << an' settled with the sec, to boot.
BingoBoingo: Seriously impresive stuff, just why inflate the credentials like a Turk?
mircea_popescu: jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass. << that claim's interesting. i guess double jeopardy brings out the best in people ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. i guess coinapult died ? i seem to recall a seed round about that one.
nubbins`: i remember coinapult
mircea_popescu: "ShapeShift was built as a demonstration of this principle: exchanges occur without custodianship of user funds. Indeed, there are no user accounts whatsoever."
mircea_popescu: so you need seed funding for that ?
nubbins`: woo stateless web!
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087343<< lol catching on huh.
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mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087347 << sounds suspiciously like parallel construction.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 22:58:16; asciilifeform: 28. Facial recognition analysis matched Jack Farrel's photograph with a Texas Department of Motor Vehicle photo of RYAN ANDREW GUSTAFSON.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087368 << which makes two of us.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 23:18:29; asciilifeform: i most often use 'squirrelmail', a prehistoric www frontend to own mailserv
mircea_popescu: !up mbailin
BingoBoingo: https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/coinbase.com << lol
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nubbins`: u wot m8
nubbins`: haha child safety wtf
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Check the user reviews
mircea_popescu: from the "let's make something stupid and call it our own" department, today the unconnected tap.
nubbins`: ha
mircea_popescu: onlyslightlyrusted.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly, i can't negrate it because i don't have enough javascript.
mircea_popescu: "must be this dumb to ride!"
nubbins`: nor can i. guess you gotta log in
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Isn't that what the designated pr0n computer is for?
mircea_popescu: toolazy
nubbins`: compiling buildroot is a snoozefest
nubbins`: ~3.5 hours last time but i think i've got more shit enabled this run
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mircea_popescu: http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/#comment-141726 << "someone in the blogosphere"
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mircea_popescu: easily the most commented on post of that "someone in the blogosphere"'s.
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nubbins`: !up Guest6009
nubbins`: !up julmac
nubbins`: !up Guest33494
nubbins`: i'd like to start by welcoming our distinguished guests
nubbins`: you may be wondering why i've assembled you all here
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Does it involve a biopsy punch?
nubbins`: i've done things in the past that involved biopsy punches, but this isn't such an event
nubbins`: protip: have some fruit juice on hand, you tend to get dizzy
BingoBoingo: K
nubbins`: if your vision starts to fade, tell someone
BingoBoingo was thinking of an alternative to hancuffs. Involves padlock, biopsy punch, and two hands
nubbins`: heh