mike_c: the highest bid at the end of Wednesday the 6th of April 2016 << GMT?
mike_c: and often something like "the later of that or 10 minutes after the last legitimate bid" kind of thing for an outcry auction like this
phf: asciilifeform: so is it possible to build chromium without dbus?
BingoBoingo: phf: alf seems to run chromium, so probably? Journey to doing so likely unpleasant
phf: that's what it looks like, a rabbit hole
BingoBoingo: It's more a physical plant time of year anyways.
phf: this linux laptop business is 2 steps forward 10 steps back
phf: i suppose it's one of those cases where one is good at what one knows
phf: i'm having a hard time deciding if i should just keep using 10.9 until it's fully deprecated by unix userspace even, or switch asap
phf: fwiw i have working gnat on os x
phf: you need to spec your problems better :>
mircea_popescu: was it ever possible to stand up os-x anything "with no binaries from outisde" ?
mircea_popescu: lol. asciilifeform is learning phf'sproblem-solving algo i see!!!
phf: hmm, almost, maybe 2 more hours of work. deployable, but i want log collector to stand on its own, rather than rely on znc before i deploy
mircea_popescu: to celebrate, ima share that i saw kundun, and it's fucking stupid.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, anyone else notice the whole tibetan thing reeks of overgrown sioux or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: apparently primitive hunter-gatherer societies accidentally left behind their time end up in the same ruts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tibet existed long before the england that spawned the us was invented.
mircea_popescu: doing the same thing as now - sorta playing romania to sino-mongol disputes.
phf: "peaceful nation of tibet"?
mircea_popescu: the chinese version, equally accurate, being that they brought the red light to a ridiculous sort of still-medieval sicily.
mircea_popescu: there's nice hats and the people have pleasant voices.
mircea_popescu: it's like ... "and then the turks came, killed all the men and sold the women off into slavery" and somehow the expected answer is something other than "omfg, here when ?!"
mircea_popescu: fancy that, do you suppose konspiraci, or do you suppose idiocy is clever in the same way everywhere.
mircea_popescu: and before communism, cn cooked dead babies. it's a lively place.
phf: i'm vaguely disappointed that chinese didn't preserve tibet as a kind of natural habitat, but had to go civilizing the place
danielpbarron is a descendant of armenians who escaped the genocide
danielpbarron: i'm not bitter about it; seems to me those that survived are better off for it
danielpbarron: i think it was probably a genocide (as opposed to a war or however the turks spin it) but that's probably more humiliating a stance for the armenians to take
mircea_popescu: (also, how to know if nerdy chick is really into weird, or just namedropping the mainstream-famous set)
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gribble: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
mircea_popescu: fuck him, the stupid whore that spawned him and the drunk she spawned him with.
mircea_popescu has been on a crusade to detrain (mostly women) from the retarded habit of generalizing summarization as displayed here for a decade now.
trinque: davout: I figgered it out. it was pissed about whitespace at end
trinque: will fix, ty for telling me
ben_vulpes: in other completely unrelated news, i went out to what passes for wine country here to refresh the office cellars. found some delicious bottles for not absurd prices, lovely people, etc. but! stunner to me at least:
ben_vulpes: 1982 muscle car driven at 75-95 mph for 160 miles gets 18.25 mpg
ben_vulpes: give or take a figure of significance or two.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, the window sticker numbers are a lie
ben_vulpes: does this CBlock->nDos thing actually matter?
phf: ben_vulpes: you mean cblock specifically or the whole cblock/ctransaction DoS mechanism?
ben_vulpes: "DoS" seems rather farfetched, a readthrough of the DoS usage implies it's more of an ad-hoc block/txn rule enforcement mechanism.
ben_vulpes: but i do mean cblock specifically, and in the context of producing hashes.
phf: it is perhaps useless since we don't have orphanage anymore
phf: what you mean in the context of producing hashes?
punkman: still gotta ban misbehaving peers
ben_vulpes: punkman: kinda orthogonal from serialization of blocks to disk
ben_vulpes: i've yet to determine if ndos survives serialization
phf: it doesn't, unless i'm missing something
ben_vulpes: phf: correctly restated: "in the context of producing nonce-th block/bit digests per 'prerequisite'"
phf: pretty sure that lisp code is going sentient
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't mean it in a sense of clarify your sloppy thinking, i mean it in a sense of i have no idea what you talking about
deedbot: agorecki voiced for 30 minutes.
danielpbarron: heh i was curious if space was acting as a command character
ben_vulpes: phf: are you familiar with trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ ?
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm not, that might be the problem
agorecki: how would mp shoot down a blockchain protocol change? I've never seen him post on the bitcoin dev mailing list
agorecki: they're considered in a lot of places
ben_vulpes: agorecki: never did his six months it appears
agorecki: you don't have authority over anything
phf: agorecki: and you come all the way to tell us that? that's awfully considerate of you
ben_vulpes: i wanted to see his brain melt when you linked him to the foundation, ml etc
ben_vulpes: $up agorecki therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/
deedbot: agorecki voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: agorecki: we're just over here having our own little insane bitcoin cult party
agorecki: so you're making a better bitcoin and hijacking the name?
BingoBoingo: to be fair so far it is isn't a better bitcoin, merely best client for same bitcoin
agorecki: alright, so if he doesn't like a change it doesn't get into the client and therefore wouldn't be used
agorecki: if miners were using his client is what I was meaning. don't know how hard it would be to get bit coin companies to use his software
ben_vulpes: agorecki: miners run heavily patched whateverthefucktheyfeel like
danielpbarron: the current goal is specifically to make sure the current miners don't use it, and all the bitcoin companies meet here anyway
ben_vulpes: agorecki: do you remember the "voting with blocks" fiasco?
agorecki: the ones that let all of the devices work without having a full copy of the blockchain
agorecki: no. I'm a prisoner of the illuminati... I'm afraid I missed that event...
ben_vulpes: the mainstreamers had this notion that miners would vote on their acceptance of a certain fork by including some data in the block
ben_vulpes: and yet few actually went so far as to implement that which they were voting for
danielpbarron: davout, what's the deal with paymium? no qntra? not even a blog post?
davout: danielpbarron: i'll give more details later, working on bitbet for now
danielpbarron: yeah something is broken, it says everyone has 0 in all l1 and l2
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> 1982 muscle car driven at 75-95 mph for 160 miles gets 18.25 mpg << engines advanced significantly past 30 or so years ; idiocies of the eu envirofreaks and their us-based fanbois notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: if you care to know, the top of the line limo in most of the world for the previous 30 years before that was black, weighed two tons + made of mostly sheet metal, and did about 5 kms to the liter.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> "DoS" seems rather farfetched, a readthrough of the DoS usage implies it's more of an ad-hoc block/txn rule enforcement mechanism. <<< it is exactly what it is.
mircea_popescu: agorecki> how would mp shoot down a blockchain protocol change? I've never seen him post on the bitcoin dev mailing list <<<< ahahaha what the fuck is this now.
mircea_popescu: and wouldn;t you know it, no nsa report. hey asciilifeform how is it that BingoBoingo hanbot jurov etc all manage to do their reports in time and you i always have to remind ?
jurov: btw, S.MPOE dividends
mircea_popescu: thinking about it, a comment like "x never did his six months it appears" is unlikely to help x in any way. it used to be that kids were trained to throw an exception whenever something they didn't understood happened. by now however, ustards especially, just ignore the whole thing they didn't understand and continue as if it never happened.
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
PeterL: did deedbot not import the old WoT?
mircea_popescu: it did, had a burp earlier with danielpbarron it seems
mircea_popescu: i suppose i could be my own judas, in a strange sort of kathar approach to it.
mircea_popescu: hm. shouldn't the fact that he has come again be pretty bad news ?
mircea_popescu: well i dunno how much the xtian plagiarists understood of the thing they were trying to steal&rename, but
PeterL: destroy wicked, reward righteous, only bad if you are not prepared
mircea_popescu: "oh you've been with the corp for 55 years here's a gold watch" ? fuck that.
PeterL: what retirement? you get to keep living without all the deprs holding you back
mircea_popescu: right ? exactly. what did YOU think retirement is ? "finally rid of the kids"
PeterL: I figure retirement is when you get to do whatever you want
mircea_popescu: retirement is when you get so fucking bored you consider starting something new.
mircea_popescu: fancy that, the anglos spell it with a c like sane people for once. heh.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me you just ignored the thing you didn't understand!
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> once the messiah comes back it's the end of the show << no, there's supposed to be a thousand year reign of Christ on earth before the whole thing is destroyed
PeterL: now I feel lost, where did we see cathars that I ignored?
mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> i suppose i could be my own judas, in a strange sort of kathar approach to it."
mircea_popescu: what did your evaluator make of that line ? "i suppose i could be my own judas, bla bla" ?
PeterL: somehow I glazed over the whole second half of your sentence, I don't understand what cathars have to do with Judas?
mircea_popescu: you seem to think it's an isolated and meaningless incident. i'm willing to bet it's both systematic and fundamental, moreso than any positive principle you might identify on deliberate survey.
PeterL: <mircea_popescu> what did your evaluator make of that line ? "i suppose i could be my own judas, bla bla" ? << well, yes, sometimes I just skim over half your statements
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : the cathars (from greek, with a k there) are one in a string of organised anticlerical opposition to the official doctrine, politically speaking.
PeterL: so you are saying you are going to stand as opposition to yourself?
mircea_popescu: ideologically, they, like the manicheans (yes, hence maniheism) and the bogomils and early gnostic christians held some things about the dual nature of the perceptible world
mircea_popescu: PeterL no, i am saying that opposition to myself has ~0 chances to come from the sort of mind that ignores half of what happens.
danielpbarron: at a quick glance, I see cathars believed the old testament God was a different God than the one in the new testament
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you familiar with the old idea that you know, the creation-god is this hunchback covetous idiot of a fellow,
mircea_popescu: well... if one's to study religion, even if limiting it to europe, there's a lot more there than anyone cares to admit.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the parts that didn't come there in the shape of "look what books we can't read we stole from the jews, let's ignore half the sentences" came there in the shape of "look what books we can't read we stole from the armenians, let's ignore half the sentences".
mircea_popescu: you know the joke with the old armenian patriarch dieing in anhalt ?
danielpbarron: I don't claim to or care to study all religion, except to say that I will often look into those claiming to believe the Bible for the purpose of exposing false teachings to whoever showed it to me
mircea_popescu: old guy dying, all his many sons around my bed. he speaks barely audibly :
mircea_popescu: "my sons... preserve the jews! for once they're gone...
trinque: danielpbarron: imma teach you guys to give proper bug reports :p
danielpbarron: the Armenians are of very similar decent : they are from Aram, a grandson of Noah
trinque: what'd you say to the bot before it parted and rejoined?
trinque: PeterL's problem was that the thing's caps sensitive; I'm going to fix that today
mircea_popescu: they're also of very similar ability. ancient ro joke going something like "if you see a romanian successfuly engaged in commerce, you're looking at an armenian"
mircea_popescu: sister to "if you see a hungarian speaking foreign languages, you're looking at a jew."
danielpbarron: trinque, i did gettrust PeterL and gettrust jurov in private to make him leave the 2nd time
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 3 by 5 connections.
trinque: danielpbarron: might've had extraneous whitespace somewhere in the command
trinque: that's the other bug on the list so far
deedbot: $get trust herro is not a command.
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 155 by 107 connections.
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 9 by 9 connections.
danielpbarron: oh huh, Aram was a son of Shem even, making Armenians semitic
mircea_popescu: anyway, linquistically if you care, old italic as well as greek, along with armenian and georgian all derive chiefly from phoenician, which is a canaanite language.
mircea_popescu: but these are all considerations for one millennium prior to what the europeans generally regard as "history".
mircea_popescu: which is a funny construct, it's like ... 3k bc egypt... 2k years blank... greece and rome!!!
mircea_popescu: during that blank space, the jews conquered egypt and started a new dynasty, founded carthage, tyre, byblos, etc ; dominated the golden crescent and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no good reason - for the contemplated july alternative offering
mircea_popescu: on the contrary - the more crud that can be snipped the very better.
mircea_popescu: and something instead of bdb. but INSTEAD not alongfuckingside!
mircea_popescu: truth be told our diligent efforts over the years - and by our i mean mostly not mine - exposed so many hooks for fixing and improving it's not even funny.
phf: property of all gcc, can link fortran for numerics
phf: i'm just anticipating the next tmsr language
phf: forth? nasm with manual syscalls?
phf: but first we port symbolics ada to scheme-81, so we can compile trb with symbolics ada
phf: that's also an idea from "when everything had a spec, and everything was written to spec, and things just fit into each other neatly" decades
phf: kind of like rms bringing back mit ai lab, when all the cool kids left for smbx
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> because without this, a computer is not an asset, but a catastrophicly limitless liability. << hey, it doesn't matter, usg will pretend to be mp and make it all good!11
phf: given the state of things, i'm not convinced that hawala is the worst we can do
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i am convinced it is the best we can do, as far as the human element goes.
mircea_popescu: yes, could benefit from soap and electricity, but these aren't fundamental changes
mircea_popescu: they only seem fundamental to the hordes of spawn for which a soul couldn't be found, so they ended up consumers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nono, the use of ~~~SCIENCE~~~ will allow a collection of bureaucrats to satisfy in practice the delusional requirements of what mp "should have been"
phf: would still want to figure out a bunch of problems before applying it "with computers" anyway, crypto, airgap, having it stored in a such a way that the inevitable arrest doesn't result in "5000 financial records were recovered in a daring raid by the brave constables"
mircea_popescu: phf you are not alone in the view that this whole thing is too soon.
mircea_popescu: the only counter is that there is no such thing as too soon in the flesh. until the time one stands up from couch, just how out of shape one is will never be known.
mircea_popescu: hey, my own father spent what he imagined to be his golden years, at the time and after that time, doing "research" for his government on supposedly, computing, but really, holding each other's dicks like a bunch of chimps.
mircea_popescu: i'm all for "20 years ago", but they're fucking idiots.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo when you have time, need to discuss what do with my paltry qntra shares.
phf: my grandfather spent all his time implementing, than architecting, than overseeing bunch of other people implementing and architecting analogue avionics for su rockets, mil and "gagarin space man" kind
mircea_popescu: mechanical turbulence in fluids ~10^8 more than electrical turbulence in conductors.
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> ;;later tell BingoBoingo when you have time, need to discuss what do with my paltry qntra shares. << Pile more qntra shares on top of them?
mats: whats the new criteria for lordliness?
PeterL: danielpbarron has a fief?
phf: now lets see, the pink pantaloons are out, and yellow jockstraps are in. the handkerchief should be in the ~left~ pocket of your velvet vest and not ~right~ pocket of a wwii bomber jacket. that one tripped up a bunch of contenders. last minute addition was a brooch, make sure it matches the cravat, not a ground for dismissal, but judges look favorably at lord applicants that are aware of only the latest tmsr fashions
mircea_popescu: in other news, Pavlichenko was later invited by Eleanor Roosevelt to tour America relating her experiences. While meeting with reporters in Washington, D.C. she was dumbfounded about the kind of questions put to her. "One reporter even criticized the length of the skirt of my uniform, saying that in America women wear shorter skirts and besides my uniform made me look fat".
mats: i'll wear my sunday best and see how it goes
BingoBoingo: phf: Wait we wore boy scout uniforms for our auditions?
shinohai: BingoBoingo: << Pile more qntra shares on top of them? <<< since I suck at writing, I don't see that happening.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: practice? Start a blawg to practice writing and then submit newsy things to qntra?
BingoBoingo: What, you write lines in the channel. You aren't illiterate.
shinohai: Certainly not, I find great joy in reading but writing may as well be Chinese water torture for me.
BingoBoingo: So now you are saying you gotta write more to become a stronger person in general
shinohai: I see there is no way shinohai can just donate the shares back to qntra and forget about it all.
PeterL: shinohai why not sell them?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: That's what I'm suggesting too, but I'm suggesting he makes a bigger pile to do it with
PeterL: actually, looks like player holdings should be a negative change too?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is a safe one related to liked craigslist lulz
PeterL: and I don't think the liabilites add up right?
PeterL: S.MG with an earnings of 0.14%, that's better than my savings account
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (1+(1.05748966+3.43434647-2.33633804) / 8775.09816033) ** 4
mircea_popescu: shinohai> I see there is no way shinohai can just donate the shares back to qntra and forget about it all. << you can prolly instruct jurov to sell them and donate proceeds to foundation say.
jurov: unless mod6/ben_vulpes instruct me to keep the shares as intangible property of the foundation... imo not happening with such qty
mircea_popescu: so this is an absolute defense against any and all accusations of "computer crime" for as long as the hardware involved is post 2009 intel / 2013 amd.
mircea_popescu: basically the only actually usable thing in his list is arm
mircea_popescu: "=== RISCV === While this architecture is extremely limited in performance, price, and performance per watt compared to x86, ARM, or POWER, it is also one of the only fully open source CPU architectures available outside of an FPGA. and may eventually be competitive with MIPS in terms of raw performance. Currently there are no RISCV SoCs in production, however projects such as lowRISC aim to change that:
http://www.lowrisc. mircea_popescu: incidentally BingoBoingo that email might be worth a qntrization.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: After I finish latest piece in que digesting email
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the relationship between sane bitcoin source as available on trb www and "bitcoin" is THE SAME as the relation between a sane implementation of tetris and "running tetris"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it does not. because bitcoin IS NOT SPECIFIED!!11
mircea_popescu: and ejaculating on a face is closer to actual reproduction than ejaculating on sugar cubes.
mircea_popescu: jurov how many does he have ? a few hundred should come to something in dollars, is that too micropayment for bitcoin donations ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: 78
mircea_popescu: yeah, because we got into airgapping for lulz and lols.
mircea_popescu: apparently brain-in-jar helps against humanity, why wouldn't it.
mircea_popescu: also why the fuck does he even have mips on that list, i thought they had their own bs.
mircea_popescu: not to mention there's a whole colonization of amd in the arm space.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why anyone would EVEN COSNIDER doing anything with a usg agent
mircea_popescu: which term includes any and all tax-paying entities there.
mircea_popescu: anyway this pipermail list... when i see all the shitty signatures i get nausea.
mircea_popescu: anyway. yes amd gave us usable computers for a five-year plan longer than'd have been otherwise possible.
mircea_popescu: but yes, one thing the republic might consider is a stockpile of proper amd chips
mircea_popescu: the irony is that well... NOT LIKE NEWER CHIPS WILL BE BETTER
mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: but... people prefer to sit on ass and wonder "what are the criteria" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: fuck you, how about that, next person who feels the need to ask.
mircea_popescu: and we - by which i mean mostly not me - should be buying, at least by the pound.
mircea_popescu: i dunno wtf they were thinking putting it in the chip rather than the ram. i guess nobody could have predicted mp kills moore together with gavin.
mircea_popescu: yet another angle that shows the fundamental link between "intellectual property" and both the usg\s continued claims to financial power as well as the continued infestation of the free world.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's becoming apparent to me that the WTC that needs bombing is exactly that.
midnightmagic: memory-hard POW wasn't really researched well i don't think back when bitcoin was invented.
mod6: (17:57) <+mircea_popescu> shinohai> I see there is no way shinohai can just donate the shares back to qntra and forget about it all. << you can prolly instruct jurov to sell them and donate proceeds to foundation say. << this is exactly the correct approach. this way we take a btc donation (tyvm!) and we continue to only hold M1
midnightmagic: but there's a neat possible 20% algorithmic improvement in bitcoin mining that was just released that might eat bitfury/et al lunch.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd say the concept of pow was not well researched altogether, at that point.
mircea_popescu: in spite of billions spent on "researchers" that had apparently so many better things to do.
mod6: w/e btc only :] whatever that represents.
mod6: herp to the derp mod6
jurov: aint no high finance without derivatives of bundled derivatives!
mod6: 'imitation is the highest form of compliment'
mircea_popescu: heck, the bulgarians spent a millenium trying to immitate byzantine ridiculousness.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "science" as the metaphysical concept. it's not what you and i mean by the proper term.
mircea_popescu: what a ustard thinks "science" is has a lot to do with what basil ii bulgaroktonos thought god was.
mod6: shinohai, what's the word on the street?
mod6: i hear you there. fuck, still snowing in my sector.
shinohai: It' a nice balmy 75 degrees here today, and I sit outside on my patio to irc.
ben_vulpes: so basically someone who understands how asics work sat down and thought about it for half a second
ben_vulpes: 2012 miners are still just early adopters.
mod6: the pics of the rigs these guys had of their GPU farms kill me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see s.nsa patent-pending anything ?
mod6: i had this dream lastnight that alf called me and wanted to tell me about this new method of processing... but i couldn't hear him very well as I was going through this tunnel.
mod6: he was going to do this V like thing where each op has a corresponding hash, and at the end of all the ops, the hashes had to match or the cpu wouldn't execute the thing...
mod6: i was like WOAH.jpg
mircea_popescu: incidentally - a pow update without homomorphism involved ?!
BingoBoingo: The AMD E350 'Bobcat' is still frequently available, often soldered into MB
mod6: is there anything to my wack-o dream? could a method be developed to have signed stack frames that the cpu would only execute up successful validation? would this even be worthwhile? probably not, a guy can still probably grab the IP and point it where he likes. probably would have to have some sort of pipeline (is this a thing?) that would make sure that there was valid checksum (from signature) held in
mod6: a register before executing the next op.
mod6 hands deedbot an ice-cream cone
mod6: i dunno, on some weird paranoia tangent of trying to "only execute what alf said was good."
mod6: you know what i'm trying to say?
mircea_popescu: mod6 at best your dream sounds like a bizarro curtis yarvin scheme
mircea_popescu: that sort of thing only "works" if patently nonsensical, as per the original.
mod6: was weird. maybe i took the acid.
mircea_popescu: pwnm (tm) thought your dream is eerily accurate and true to life.
mod6: heheh. i'll have to scroll back.
mod6: oh do i understand you correctly on the branching problem -- if the stackframes are signed, how will i know (in advance) which address to jump to if all addresses are assigned at run time?
mod6: if not, maybe a word or 6 on what you're getting at there.
mircea_popescu: what he was talking about was that in all fpga/asic designs, the branches are the time waster / heat dissipater
mod6: oh. right, can't you avoid them with bitwise ops?
mod6: The other technique is to write programs without branches, or with fewer branches, typically using bitwise operations instead. [1] [Knuth, Donald (2008). The Art of Computer Programming. Volume 4, Pre-fascicle 1A (Revision 6 ed.). pp. 48-49.]
mod6: they're lying to me
mod6: oh oh, we're ourselves on two seperate branches of conversation.
mod6: asciilifeform: intresting though.
midnightmagic: it *can* be meaningful in terms of signal propagation and logic locality.
mod6: asciilifeform had a interesting dream too haha.
mod6: back when that was a thing it probably was more affordable for Mr. Luser. What about these days?
mod6: Yeah, kinda looks like it. (Was just taking a peek there...)
mod6: "and refresh after read."
mod6: so can actually, cleanly, be dibiased?
deedbot: Humpty voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: "higher cost per bit" is significant tho. it's either two capacitors, or two capacitors + two diodes
mod6: there has got to be an individual cost, but it's probably rolled up into single "unit" of storage.
mircea_popescu: you can either have this chip be 256 mb or 4gb. what do you prefer.
mircea_popescu: through a similar decision process as you propose, rats are not superior to cockroaches
mod6: what does alf's dream turing machine look like?
mircea_popescu: right. exactly in that sense. you'll have to feed it anyway./
mircea_popescu: hey, i have no argument with the "dram is a pain in the ass to do hands on stuff to"
mircea_popescu: tho honestly a) i see no difference between "modernity" and "lazy stupidity" ; b) i see no clear reason high clock speeds are necessarily related to stupidity.
shinohai wonders why everyone wants him writing for qntra.
phf: ok, logs are at a reasonable point, going to go for food and walk and then do a deploy
trinque: deedbot will be back in a moment
phf: right now the switch over between t-a and b-a happens at log entry 1440677, which is "mircea_popescu: and so, this is the end for this particular irc channel as a venue for tmsr. ..."
mircea_popescu: phf i dun recall what you answered, will i be able to update log references in trilema with a single sql statement ?
phf: yes, though not tonight
phf: i'm going to deploy to the same machine as btcbase, so the log url is going to be btcbase.org/log/
phf: old ids are obviously preserved
phf: which is just immediately next t-a message by timestamp
phf: no, but i can add that, search is entirely reworked, since it's essentially grep by text only, so i'll have to refine it bit by bit anyway
mircea_popescu: fwiw, mthreat, the guy who was providing the search, actually did that as part of a start-up that got sold off or spun off or w/e they do.
mircea_popescu: providing search for corporate clients. if you get yours working as well as his, perhaps can be arsed to market it.
phf: haslink is actually only ever mentioned 8 times in log
mircea_popescu: but for instance it returns iirc 1/4mn hits for "from:mircea" in miliseconds.
mircea_popescu: logging teh forum happens to be a field where a lot of interesting things can be done. right off the top of head : you familiar with pisg ? ; something like an interaction graph based on namecalling may be interesting.
phf: yeah, there are some very obvious stats that can be ran, including wot analysis, who speaks to whom, frequencies, etc.
mircea_popescu: check yourself out pete_dushenski you get the #trilema log global first!
deedbot: pete_dushenski voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: I'm fixing some issue with gpg that's messing up $up
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: we'll see if this 15 minutes of fame lasts longer than my stint as a lord ;)
trinque: pete_dushenski: try teh $up again
trinque: pete_dushenski: whitespace !?!?!?!?
trinque: phf: how do I keep my fasl from being out of sync with changes to the lisp ?
trinque: I must have filthy python habits, thought it'd know when the lisp was written later
trinque does it one more time, for science.
pete_dushenski: trb related : has anyone else had bizarre 'balance' behaviour ? i'm seeing double over here.
pete_dushenski: inb4 stan makes his token comment about the 'fundamental retardation of accounts, which must die (tm) (r)'
trinque: phf: eh nevermind, found a typo :p
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski typically crud like that goes for a few hundred bucks, and is a counter-signal.
trinque: pete_dushenski: that's what I was talking about re: -lows
pete_dushenski: then a 'listunspent' would seem a useful call function to bring to trb (it was in 0.7). unless there are other call functions that already do the same thing ?
trinque: sometimes I saw double, sometimes zero, sometimes negative by amount of fee
trinque: yeh, wallet is unusable without this
mike_c: thanks deedbot. hopefully you get static, scriptable challenge URLs soon!
mike_c: manual labor is for the birds
mike_c: ah. no, i don't know this one
mike_c: unless this is the collecting acorns thing
ben_vulpes: mike_c: a bouncer is ~same work as scripting auth
mircea_popescu: "hey Ițic, do you suppose this is work, what we're doing ?"
mike_c: and I don't know about bouncer = script.. curl | gpg -d is pretty easy
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i don't suppose anyoen read Ițic Ștrul, Dezertor (Isaac Trouble, Deserter) ?
mircea_popescu: and to honor alf's memory of the siguranța statului : Ițic calls the ro SS. "hey, Ștrul has some wood" "so what of it ?" "he drilled it and hid jewels, diamonds, dollars and probably ammunition from his brother in america"
mircea_popescu: then he calls Ștrul. "hey, i sent over some guys to cut up your wood" "who ?" "same guys you sent last month to dig my garden"
mike_c: sure, once you figure out the mess that is znc
mike_c: hm. ok, I'll check that out
ben_vulpes: ftr it has been utterly rock solid for me since...i don't even remember.
ben_vulpes: the last time i fucked with bouncers, let's say.
trinque: automating auth might be evil, just sayin.
mike_c: why evil. as long as I have to type in my passphrase..
mike_c: and znc I have tried and failed with in the past. possibly just user stupidity.
mike_c: unless you are sneaker-netting I don't see how making me go to a different URL everytime helps anything
ben_vulpes: mike_c: requires server-side complexity to handle batched ratings
ben_vulpes has no actual idea how trinque's written the thing, only making inferences.
ben_vulpes: does look from here as though there's some key from a request to the action to be performed in the OTP url.
mike_c: and a 'last' endpoint could just grab.. the last one. But whatever, not huge thing. it works.
ben_vulpes: which makes batching trivial. "does this key match something in the DB?"
deedbot: eisenbahnwagen voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: judge fears redditard may not be safe outside of jail.