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jfw: Besides proprietary GPU drivers there are other "traditional Linux" things not likely to run on musl with any amount of futzing, such as compiled non-static binaries (proprietary apps, the Adacore GNAT distribution) and "enterprisey" thinks like authentication plugins; I can't speak to whether we should care about these.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 05:05:55 spyked: ftr, I was considering doing my initial cuntoo boostrapper install on a qemu. I've gotten disk images and kernels prepped for that environment in the past, it's pretty easy due to the absence of odd vendor-specific drivers. this is probably not appropriate for gfx work though.
spyked: ftr, I was considering doing my initial cuntoo boostrapper install on a qemu. I've gotten disk images and kernels prepped for that environment in the past, it's pretty easy due to the absence of odd vendor-specific drivers. this is probably not appropriate for gfx work though.
trinque: so this is nvidia, radeon, and intel drivers
trinque: mhm, wads of firmware and drivers needed depending on gpu
jfw: With proprietary drivers like nvidia?
mircea_popescu: so you basically just import w/e drivers redhat or w/e is using ?
trinque: comes with whole raft of drivers, graphics stack, etc
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: ah, found it; it's in device drivers/usb support/usb serial converter support/usb prolific shit
asciilifeform: diana_coman: just about ~all since 2010 or so, per asciilifeform's notes. ( invariably there's a pdf turd passed off as documentation, or jpegs for guism, or in device drivers -- magick init binturds ; etc )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, various drivers ; various tables ; samplers ; all sorta crap.
asciilifeform: (again outside of 'drivers' for sumreason)
asciilifeform: 28MB of soundcardism (why separate from 'drivers' ?? ask linus...) ; 26MB of ~unreadable 'docs' ; 6M of firmware 'blobs' (recall when linus said 'no blobs' ??)
asciilifeform: for completeness : 'drivers' subtree weighed 323M ; 'arch' (machine-specifics) : 126M; leaving a 176M (quite evenly spread across remainder) .
asciilifeform: the beauty of synthetic 'iron' is that you can actually use just about any kernel, because there is no driver gnarl, you're already baking the drivers with own hands
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this kinda thing is how the various nintendos stay alive. consolist dun have to fiddle w/ gpu drivers etc, plugs in cartridge and gets his tetris in coupla milliseconds, 0 brain req'd
mp_en_viaje: a yeah, deny driver licenses to any who aren;t either professional drivers or in a liberal profession. and especially to "it experts", actresses/singers/newswomen etcetera.
BingoBoingo: In continued labor flaffing, drivers for Uruguay's petrol company about to stop driving petrol to Petrobras service stations, wreckers at PIT-CNT sure if they thrash enough "puestos de trabajo" can be saved and "Why do they want to leave anyways?" https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/fancap-cortara-suministro-de-combustibles-a-petrobras-20195611243
mp_en_viaje: as in, "driver who won't crash your car worth 9k drivers who can't crash your car"
BingoBoingo: Anyways chonkin, cutting out poptard noise is one of the biggest drivers here http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/
mircea_popescu: usb_net_drivers - alf conf says n, options are only y or m, default is y. << heh.
mod6: Could be, a solid way to try to prove that is the USB Stick route. Because, I'm not super well versed in SATA kernel drivers.
mod6: I did look through the makemenuconfig, there are a lot of added in USB drivers. however, there was one option that I noticed that I should look hard at (all when trying to do the genkernel for different reasons), which is the Intel USB Drivers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but then i gotta what, write my own drivers/kernel mods for every peripheral ?
asciilifeform: already microshit in fact banned iron vendors from shipping drivers for xp for any reason.
mircea_popescu: making linux accessible to senior citizen drivers, whadda ya want
asciilifeform in old salt mines built winblowz, incl. w7, device drivers, with stock gcc, worked just fine, merely had to reproduce the header liquishit
mircea_popescu: all it requires is argentine drivers.
asciilifeform: re drivers -- why not, e.g., combine license and taxi medallion. wanna drive ? register as driver, buy medallion, dun have to carry passengers or paint livery on 'cab' if you dun feel like, but pony up.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:51 diana_coman: sounds like ol' world drivers/gardeners/maids/cooks/servants in general, no?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:49 Mocky: next to bottom class is cheap workers who aren't permitted to get a drivers license: http://archive.is/Cg7uU
diana_coman: sounds like ol' world drivers/gardeners/maids/cooks/servants in general, no? ☟︎
diana_coman: wait what, drivers aren't permitted to get a drivers' license?
Mocky: but also drivers are in that class, lol
Mocky: next to bottom class is cheap workers who aren't permitted to get a drivers license: http://archive.is/Cg7uU ☟︎
slycordinator: but i wasn't sure if the install stuff you had on your site would work for that instead of using a usb stick because of drivers and such
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:27 mircea_popescu: brought about by y.t. fixing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854603 through generous application of sewed out linux-wireless-compat-blabla. turns out the aeteron pci board included (mysteriously dubbed "revision 0032") works with cca 2015 vintage drivers, and them only.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, to put some meat on the bones of "works with cca 2015 vintage drivers, and them only." : incorrect vintage drivers manage to literally fuck the chip, i have never seen dma errors before in teh logs, now have i seen chips refusing to turn back on and in general hardware level spew, "wrong mode d3", "error -5" etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to put some meat on the bones of "works with cca 2015 vintage drivers, and them only." : incorrect vintage drivers manage to literally fuck the chip, i have never seen dma errors before in teh logs, now have i seen chips refusing to turn back on and in general hardware level spew, "wrong mode d3", "error -5" etc. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: by the looks of it, wireless cards on laptops work with os wireless drivers from a 3 to 6 months period around their release. gotta get teh right timing.
mircea_popescu: brought about by y.t. fixing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854603 through generous application of sewed out linux-wireless-compat-blabla. turns out the aeteron pci board included (mysteriously dubbed "revision 0032") works with cca 2015 vintage drivers, and them only. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i favour folx who are honest, 'i dun have drivers', over gabriel_laddels
asciilifeform: at least terry davis was straightforward about not having iron drivers.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: loox like they lifted various drivers from freebsd, since i last saw
mircea_popescu: mind giving it a seeing to ? it'll be a very useful heuristic, imo, "get rk drivers on 2.6 kernel"
mircea_popescu: is your idea drivers won't link against 2 line kernel ?
asciilifeform: it isn't so much a 'clever' but that there's a whole pile of iron drivers
Mocky: came a breath away from visiting Kuwait in the drivers seat of a tank, but never actually arrived. No other even near misses.
mircea_popescu: first time ever i had to compile wireless drivers.
jurov: all opensource drivers depend on the "sys-kernel/linux-firmware" package too
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-07-15 20:35:50: <mircea_popescu> so the problem consisted of my running through the whole list of http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu requisite packages list. libgl1-mesa-dev (which ... isn't even fucking needed, i am now running eulora without it) fucked my video drivers (in a strange halfway manner, prolly fucked some userland wrapper somewhere). reinstalling the nvidia originals fixed it.
mircea_popescu: video drivers etc.
mircea_popescu: one of the principal drivers of my cultural suspicion of the yellow folk.
asciilifeform: what can they do, the Right Chix are evidently occupied, as mircea_popescu's drivers...
mircea_popescu: i'm happy with my set, enough so as to not hire male drivers.
asciilifeform: re drivers and their long legs : su mil establishment did various tests, and reportedly concluded that chix would make ideal pilots -- take moar g's, typically better reaction, can work under outrageous o2 deprivation, etc. but they did not go so far as to start recruiting'em en masse. the americans, however... did. many great feats of pilotage nao ?
mircea_popescu: could be that women are actually better drivers, if not fucked in the head by idiot mother/bf combo.
asciilifeform: ( it is prolly analogous to asciilifeform's feat, some yrs ago, of building working microshit drivers using gcc )
mod6: The thing that really threw me off during the analysis is that before and after test drivers were both yielding the same, correct, result. So I had to dig way in and debug to see exactly where to spring the trap.
asciilifeform: ( lives -- yes -- on shithub; https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano/tree/master/drivers << all he's got in the way of iron )
asciilifeform: https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/char/random.c << the 'traditional' /dev/random. ( get yer barf bag ready! )
a111: Logged on 2018-02-09 20:57 mircea_popescu: drivers/char/random.c is what needs changing. wipe the calls to "add_disk_randomness" and bullshit, replace with your fg feeder.
trinque: for grub also, drivers, others
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> pedestrians are accustomed to cars stopping for them everywhere, wtf. << In the sense of myself waiting on the corner to cross a street and... drivers fuck up traffic trying to wave me across when their stopping does nothing for cars heading the other direction
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793393 << a quite astonishing amount of proggy, incl. items that cannot be done without unless you can make yer own ic ( errything from the lattice 'ice' proggy, to device drivers for ~100% of extant iron ) is imprisoned in shithub. nao however once it is sprung from this jail -- it is sprung. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Hey! I'm Ashley. I'm an 18 year old girl living in Houston, TX who's in a bit of a financial bind at the moment. I'm a senior in high school. I don't even have my drivers license or a ride to work so it's not like I can get a normal job at the moment."
trinque: kernel for machine M1 doesn't need any extra code present for drivers for M2
mircea_popescu: drivers/char/random.c is what needs changing. wipe the calls to "add_disk_randomness" and bullshit, replace with your fg feeder. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Pre-loading i915kms.ko/radeonkms.ko disables video output from the point of time these video drivers are attached until interrupt threads are enabled way later. This makes kernel panics during boot undebugable.' << ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: it includes such wonders as frozen nvidia drivers (binary)
mircea_popescu: there's a subtle difference in drivers ; both claim to be the same one but are not
shinohai: This is what happens when you elect socialist bus drivers to be your leader.
BigTexasBingo: Both drivers ambulatory
mircea_popescu: unless you mean like drivers.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have given so many people directions over the weekend. Primarily... Delivery drivers.
mircea_popescu: there;s a humongous difference between crowd driving and crowd following. which is why cowboys (traditional herd drivers) think very little of shephers (traditional herd followers)
mircea_popescu: actually, re-reading the comments i know why i wrote it. because i didn't like the implication that "so what if liberalizing drugs leads to truck drivers being forced to meth by economic pressure, fuck them, they're truck drivers". the idea being that you never know who the truck driver is.
mircea_popescu: then again understandable, very inept drivers.
trinque: ls /usr/src/linux/drivers/usb/serial/pl2303.c ?
ben_vulpes: trinque: should i expect the pl2302 drivers to show up in make menuconfig?
mircea_popescu: money shot : "Because my order came from nine different stores, eight separate vehicles showed up at our offices. Only eight, because my Teriyaki Yakisoba from Smart & Final was canceled from the SF order: Out of Stock in Daly City. I received that same item in my Mountain View order, because it was still in stock in San Mateo. Not a single cracker was broken!Not a single cracker was broken! In SF, three drivers showed up one
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in historical elaineo terrible, "Uber is a great example of a hack: Taxicab licensing rules are annoying and only serve to make a few people’s lives better (the taxi medallion owners) while making many people’s lives worse. Waze allows drivers to report speed traps and police checkpoints because we all know that CHP officers only issue tickets to fill their quotas. Airbnb shirks rental and zoning regulations, an
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so how do you redefine "winning the race" ? have the drivers recite the engine parts afterwards, disqualify all errors ?
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711352 <<< This is lulzy "What would this procedure be like without the WebUSB API? .... Scary OS prompts popup and warn you about installing drivers/applications from the Internet." ☝︎
asciilifeform: they were in drivers seat for ww1, which nailed that world.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-01 17:31 trinque: afaik the sticking points are drivers and bootloaders.
mircea_popescu: trinque> afaik the sticking points are drivers and bootloaders. <<< yes, which is why the way danielpbarron packaged the deal is so intelligent.
trinque: afaik the sticking points are drivers and bootloaders. ☟︎
asciilifeform still finds it strange that american drivers dun have 2 full jerry cans in their trunk at all times
asciilifeform: ( and any such return entails a 'from whence the drivers', for which the magic pill is... we haven't any. rs232, motherfuckers. )
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ^ d00d pushing 'onerng' over FUCKGOATS, with argument that the former 'is open source, mathematically verifiable, ...drivers for all current os, even openbsd...' while the latter 'no drivers, connection using obsolete medium - serial port, limited entropy' << limited entropy?! herp.
mircea_popescu: go, write fg drivers. what
mircea_popescu: and here i sat and thought naively that open source is all about "hey, i perceive the need for these so called drivers, item dun has them, I WILL MAKE MYSELF"
asciilifeform: linked mainly for the 'drivers' lul
asciilifeform: ^ d00d pushing 'onerng' over FUCKGOATS, with argument that the former 'is open source, mathematically verifiable, ...drivers for all current os, even openbsd...' while the latter 'no drivers, connection using obsolete medium - serial port, limited entropy'
asciilifeform: iet bij nosuchlabs. En nee, er is totaal geen sprake van meer spreekwoordelijk alufolie, integendeel. Geen drivers, aansluiting via een niet meer aanwezig medium (seriele poort), beperkte hoeveelheid random data en ga zo maar door.'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other excavations, https://www.security.nl/posting/505769/Random+Bit+Generator+voor+zelfbouw >> 'Het ontwerp is volledig open source, het geleverde product is te verifiëren zodat je kunt zien dat er niets is toegevoegd of weggelaten, de randomization is wiskundig verifieerbaar. Er zijn drivers voor eigenlijk alle gangbare operating systems, zelfs voor OpenBSD, en dat voor een prijs van USD 40. Die onderbouwing zie ik n
phf: i think that's kind of "fact" that all cab drivers like to talk about
phf: me and asciilifeform have respective selection biases. i don't know any russian professor cab drivers, but plenty of NIH department heads, doing their half science half politikin on the new territory. presumably there's also a world of russian escapees who are driving cabs, that i'm just not connected to
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666358 << phunphakt: dos drivers (tsr!) exist for ~all recent nic chipsets. i don't even know why, but they do. they figure in my eternal 'reverse rtlink GB chip' thing. ☝︎