mircea_popescu: but anyway, the concept of "programming" in a sense other than direct memory write was something i had to deliberately learn against inclination. like mult table, about the same time. "wtf is this bs and why am i writing words"
phf: (this is pretty apropos chuck moore links from few days ago)
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a fundamental divide between people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "basically large phone switchboard with robotic switchmaid" and people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "squee! apple drawing thing!"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, there's a fundamental divide between people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "basically large phone switchboard with robotic switchmaid" and people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "squee! apple drawing thing!" << In sixth grade computer (Apple II) was introduced to class as drawing thing (turtle graphics)
BingoBoingo: 7th grade computer reintoduced (Mac Classic I) as "typewriter substitute"
BingoBoingo: 9th grade computer (iMac G3) reintroduced again as "Internet lives here"
mircea_popescu: nitric acid also not automagically great even if not necessarily lethal.
mircea_popescu: two major divides : a) post cunt-is-for-fucking late 80s what with the condoms, pills, disco scene end and b) pre internet-is-for-everyone 2005 or so
mircea_popescu: the petri dish had exactly one generation's worth of leak.
mircea_popescu: pretty much everything, from usenet to "what will the chick you pick up via irc or from a game lan party say".
mircea_popescu: i dunno if anyone remembers, BUT! there was a point in earth's history when what chick said was not automatically dumb.
mircea_popescu: no wai. in 1999 if female stood up in say polynomial interpolation class, you didn't just check out.
mircea_popescu: in my topgun hs class we had a chick being chem first hand and another being either math or physics 2nd hand, whichever line was thin.
mircea_popescu: you know for a fact that in 3-400mn walkers there's at least a dozen or two chicks who could have done it.
mircea_popescu: and the whole fucking point is SPECIFICALLY so that they can't accomplish anything and get fucked in exactly the way blacks got fucked via obamaing.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-30 18:58 asciilifeform: find new and new crops of fresh 'we owe everything we have to the great inca' nobodies ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 23:44 phf: well, scratch that, i'm just ranting. once you have the setup, it's a pretty smooth operation i suppose. i just don't want to bother with the whole backing up the internet thing
mircea_popescu: yes, large, difficult, etc task. not however avoidable, in the end.
mircea_popescu: nothing infinite is ever practical, so this objection is moot.
mircea_popescu: (i guess this isn't obvious to anyone but me, but obviously once the item is in chan the very first next extension is "now let it take a list of urls in paste from user")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some kind of uci is the only possible solution to "superinformation highway" potholes.
mircea_popescu: (in other news, #trilema fucking takes the cake in terms of error messages.)
mircea_popescu: the above. "E1337 : i dunno how to evaluate if you're right".
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 19:50 asciilifeform: when you push it, the word правильно (CORRECT)
mircea_popescu: amusingly, ru "correct" is moar like "legal" than anything.
mircea_popescu: not from legal. which would make the alien anthropologist suspect the russkis have the great inca, not the usskis.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, if you want another vignette : dan adamescu was this fellow, 2nd richest romanian (excluding mp, of course) in 2013. then the govt took its krysha back, his company magically was now bankrupt, by 2016 he was being sent to jail for supposedly trying to bribe the judgtes in a 1e8 civil case with 20k. early 2017 had died, of septicemia, for which he had been placed in medical coma. it all begun with a knee ope
mircea_popescu: the guy's son somehow managed to have teh ICSID tell the romanians to get fucked (they actually had an interpol "arrest warrant" out for the guy)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... prison life can be hard for a 68 yo whom teh russians particularly dun like. bonus points : his lawyer "suicided" self by jumping before train.
mircea_popescu: can't say i exactly get it either, but it wasn't teh usians so what exactly is lefty.
mircea_popescu: it conceivably was a bit of personal bitterness over some ancient story about taping people in hotels. or any other thing.
mod6: ah. maybe this one is too old. i'll work on that.
mod6: I'll try see about finding a new gnat laying around and try that.
lobbes: phf aha nice easter egg with a specific search term in btcbase.org. I'll leave it unmentioned so others may have the joy of stumbling on it :)
phf: lobbes: hehe, you probably ran into me testing a feature, but that's a good idea :)
phf: “MacOS Update Accidentally Undoes Apple's “root” Bug Patch (wired.com)”
ben_vulpes: best part is that it only undoes the patch, doesn't re-break macs with root passwords manually set.
ben_vulpes: and in other hn headlines: "five ways to fix statistics" (nature.com) huh fascinating! i hadn't realized that /statistics/ was broken, i was laboring under the impression that it was the /heads/ that were broken.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10719.65, vol: 16844.80278042 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10676.0, vol: 86283.87155316 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10760.0, vol: 4619.59952465 | Volume-weighted last average: 10686.4254292
BingoBoingo: In other news it turns out "language exchange" websites of miniscule size feature better user engagement and higher user activity than Okcupid or the other IAC swaps
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes statistics can produce toxic facts. it is broken like bitcoin, needs "payment protocol"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo everything that's not run by usg runs better than anything that's run by usg. you've got a better chance to manage an airplane bombing strike by talking to some obscure black bloc than the dod.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now ~90% or so of us "law enforcement" consists of "asset forfeiture". totally not bankrupt empire.
mircea_popescu: yes but by now it is counteradvisable to work for eg nsa if you're not poor from a purely wealth management perspective.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "linux journal" advertises "puppet" and some "in their words" about "becoming a cloud native organisation".
mircea_popescu: to quote from myself, "just wanted to let you folks know it's great fucking news your sad zombie finally croaked.
mircea_popescu: let it be clear for everyone that pushing "cloud" and pushing "Hateful/prejudicial language/slurs = Kickban" and generally pushing the ustardian aggenda = death.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-30 16:00 asciilifeform: reminds of : ''I was such a pure and terrifying Aryan that they even put me in a special detachment. Its mission was to find out how the Jews always knew what the S.S. was going to do next There was a leak somewhere, and we were out to stop it' He looked bitter and affronted, remembering it, even though he had been that leak. 'Was the detachment successful in its mission?' I said. 'I'm happy to say,' said Arpad, 'that fourteen S.S. m
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think your response to apeloyee is correct actually, when you call with the same item you're fucking yourself. BUT!
mircea_popescu: i can't conceive how this can occur. how can it occur ?
mircea_popescu: but, it wouldn't happen if foo(4,4) nor when foo(x,y) where the VALUES of x=y=4. it'd strictly happen when foo(x,x) ie, same variable_name
mircea_popescu: he has a good nose sniffing it out, but i don't believe your sicilian's "if thumbs hurt, cut arm at elbow to be sure" approach is warranted. next patch put a warning in the comments an' let 'em be.
mircea_popescu: also should be a comment there, after the pragma "if you unban these careful about wswap)
mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: ditions on the matter being PoW than originally agreed upon, through d) the direct avenue of refusing to continue "non-compliant" chains.
mircea_popescu: the bricking-of-extant-asics moment edges ever closer.
mircea_popescu: but there's definitely TWO known bugs in bitcoin now. to the ancient and oft discussed here node-miner split, we are to add this new one, pow-centralization.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, all bugs are in the pie since the baking.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 15:47 asciilifeform: incidentally, rf 'fox hunting' is at this point a traditional sport in ru, and the 'fox' is always found .
mircea_popescu: too much like normal trucks, too burried into em background.
mircea_popescu: and we're talking 100s of airborne detectors, latirn, synthetic aperture radars, the works.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, pentagon went in with the same expectations ; but never actually managed to land a hit)
mircea_popescu: a 12 meter rocket + the semi truck carrying it x3 + tankers + c&c + meteo etc ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. the general point here being that fox hunt a LOT more difficult than everyone ever expects, be it alf, pentagon, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: (teh carrier, 8x8 artillery truck uses a 40-L diesel engine or somesuch)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, in fz_type.ads: why is word_count range 1..Indices'Last and not 1..Indices'Last/Word'Size ?
mircea_popescu: the "think of it as heat" mental experiment imo has the great advantage of clearing the mind of all sorts of bizarro world "nsa is cool" assumptions about "electromagnetic signature", a magical property of radiation to "know who its daddy is" or somesuch
diana_coman: uhm; my understanding is that Indices is in essence the type for bit-level indexing; sure some values overlap but you can't have in same fz same number of words as of bits unless wordsize is 1
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 18:08 asciilifeform: diana_coman: you do have a point , though, an ffa that is an ideal mathematical description of every relevant bound, would look slightly different from the ffa i actually have, that has to actually run on idjit cmachine iron in something like real time.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell apeloyee hey, do you want a job working for minigame ?
☟︎ jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i've been trying to hire a bunch of artists for what, 5 years now ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: we have tons. starting with "fix your tits, get 0.02 btc" and from there on.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:02 mircea_popescu: i've been trying to hire a bunch of artists for what, 5 years now ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you personally for instance
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 ; to quote from teh very boardroom of minigame earlier, "<mircea_popescu> noa. evident ca idealu' ar fi fost ca tata asta sa fi fost gata facuta din 2016, cum discutasem initial cu stan. da'... sufletu'."
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 22:14 mircea_popescu: course since the nsa consulting work for minigame is going to produce ada rsa, it might be an idea to have an ~ada~ tmsr crypto lib.
mircea_popescu: ie, it'd have been nice to have this item done last year as per original discussions. but whatever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no difference. artists dun wanna work, ie ON TIME and TO SPEC and ON WHAT THEY'RE TOLD TO just like erryone else.
mircea_popescu: the amount of jobs awaiting workers exceeds the amount of availavble workers by a factor never before seen in human history ; not even during the saudi reign 20 years ago. not even in china. nowhere.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 11:41 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu I may have someone worth inviting to chan for interview in the coming days. Most of the folks I know over there are primarily oral translators, so having to look around a bit. Just got back yesterday - BJ is a real shithole but the people are adorable, lots of good duck. FYI - 'VPN AC' (Romanian) seems to be the only one working well/consistently behind the firewall (I've used many) and
mircea_popescu: has it yet been A YEAR since the discussion of hiring a motherfcucking chinese office girl was tabled ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 22:06 asciilifeform: i discovered that mainstream finite field libs are as complicated as they are largely because they insist on growable - and, ergo, heap-allocated - nums.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 32 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> Everbright Bank has, by far, the lowest entry barriers for business or tourist visitors opening new accounts.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i'd much rather pour a coupla bitcents into the ground instead of paying "hiring experts" etcetera. by very far.
mircea_popescu: at least when i pour it into the ground, i know what i'm doing with it as i do it.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-11 20:40 BHopkins: I had to look up the current price, and the answer is yes :)
mircea_popescu: nobody in his line of work has EVER made a bitcoin's worth in one year no matter what they did. but does he have enough sense to go... hmmm... i'll treat this as an advance, and use it to finance my supposedly useful work coming back with deliveries worth at least 10x that, because thaty's how useful i am, and see what happens
mircea_popescu: so... no. white man is lazy and stupid, in whatever order. the problem's not the lack of jobs.
mircea_popescu: the problem's the 3rd world whore's attitude, as described in that friday piece.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise -- everything's sough. you got tits ? make money. you can code ? make money. you can draw ? make money. you "got relations" / can pr/whatever the fuck you got ? MAKE MONEY!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "oh but mp... really... i can't do anything, not usefully, not well, not within pre-glacial timeframes, not... not..."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ima, dontcha know, follow the funnel they constructed, like everyone's got an apple concept store.
mircea_popescu: why. who the fuck are they, and who the fuck am i, and who adapts to whom ?
mircea_popescu: recall that schmuck with the french isp, which upon examination turned out to be 0% isp and 100% a vehicle for the inept vanities and worldviews of a few idle and overcomfortable schmucks ?
mircea_popescu: or for that matter just as recently, some german dork.
mircea_popescu: the dude with fucking options and self-determinations as to who he wants to work with.
mircea_popescu: all of it, however wrapped, however excused, it's the same thing : we here in white man world are incapable of doing anything useful and don't wish to see why this'd make any difference.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if you're rich enough to make your own decisions, good, make shit on your own time and in your own way, that's ACTUALLY VALUABLE, get paid via ownership share.
mircea_popescu: if you're too poor to ownership share, need to be paid in cash, that means no options and no decisions and off to work whore.
mircea_popescu: either way, low output means low value and dubious humanity. that's capitalism.
mircea_popescu: but you can't argue both ends. it can't be "oh, there's no jobs" and ALSO "i'm not doing the jobs". unemployment office kicks you out, and so does everyone else, for good reason.
mircea_popescu: now, obviously in the particular case of "make crypto bit for eulora" the problem evidently is that such an item is more complex than what worker usually workers. this is true, but also it was your idea, blocking also that out.
mircea_popescu: so... you wanna work self-managedly, and are rich enough to afford it, great! not rich enough to afford it... stfu. pick one and only one.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:20 mircea_popescu: all of it, however wrapped, however excused, it's the same thing : we here in white man world are incapable of doing anything useful and don't wish to see why this'd make any difference.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman except here's the biter : the "civilized crowds" only ever survives (briefly) as an extraction engine.
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE india credited london, THEREFORE the ~pretense~, idle and basless, of british empire.
diana_coman: hm, by same token life only ever survives (briefly) as an extraction engine, what of it
mircea_popescu: (anyone remember the derpage early 2000s in the same venues that these days discuss "toxic facts" and "russian hackers" ?)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman that the republic is the only economically stable thing -- the extraction of the smart.
mircea_popescu: everything else... just trying to. lasts while it lasts.
mircea_popescu: there's no fundamental reason for nicaraguan working abroad to save in dollars ; there was no fundamental reason for indian to think his kid must go to school in london. smoke and mirrors, and those are terrible basis for one's life
mircea_popescu: in the specific sense that by the time "you figure it out" they're gone. today, everyone wants to go to college. today it's too late to go to college. everyone wants a 401k ? guess what... too late to. and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing about the usd makes it best. no, it's dollars for the same reason "eat at mcdonalds" -- worst horse in glue factory.
mircea_popescu: by the time the plebs figure out "where the party is", the party just moved.
mircea_popescu: this is how earth has worked for 5k+ years, no exceptions known.
mircea_popescu: the one you're looking at, whatever it may be, won't turn out to be the exception, either.
mircea_popescu: yes, were you living in the time of your parents, the strategy you came up with would have worked. you're not.
mircea_popescu: were the ww2 generals fighting ww1, they'd have ALL been great military minds
diana_coman: well, the *what* it extracts is of course much more telling of what the thing is to start with; as for the reasons there... reason was as far as I understand it "they are better than us because they defeated us", can't say it's obviously "smoke and mirror"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform natural indolence and psychological comfort seeking, i guess. unspoken because defensive.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman point isn't that it extracts, point is that it doesn't, not really. that's what i'm saying, that the whole "whose existence is only rendered possible through the high organization of civilized crowds" is really VERY vulnerable, because the high organization doesn't ACTUALLY cause or control the extraction.
mircea_popescu: it's 100% "making the sun raise" by gesturing wildly at 5:15 am
mircea_popescu: which is why the british empire COULDNT prevent its own demise. nor the current one. nor any other "highly organized civilised crowd".
mircea_popescu: the lido gets sanded. this is not up to venice to prevent. end of story. trying to live off civilization is exactly like trying to live off fishing, or off playing double-or-nothing at the casino.
mircea_popescu: (really, nobody ever wonders how come the fishermen are always the poorest demographic ? the sea is so very rich!)
diana_coman: there was no counter-argument there; those were scum; the point was simply that this sort of scum is alive for longer than it would be if not for the warm/comfy "crowd"
diana_coman: and moreover, that was said in 1898, not as if it's new or anything
diana_coman: re not really extracts - I guess it's fair to say it's not "extracts" but rather "charms out of" and that certainly makes some sense; although it's totally unclear how it went from conquering actively to charming passively
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it never went. see... take say the early greek wars. those dudes did essentially a society game : the men stripped and cockwrestled on a field on a sunday. the "defeat" of the defeated was a two phase game. phase 1, where their line broke. phase 2, most important, where THEIR WOMEN spread out for THE OTHER GUYS. because fuck you loser. exactly how college football worked when it worked, you mean means you get the
mircea_popescu: other team's cheerleader bus, au naturel. exactly what teh airmen meant by "tailhookers all weather attack" fliers dumped on area colleges.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem with "modern war", that its charming quality of yore became quite grotesque.
mircea_popescu: yet the function remained, half the kids born in berlin 1946 were russian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sea is rich ; but the fisherman's stuck playing a loser game.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the problkem is this : your fishing today is in no way improved by your fishing yesterday.
mircea_popescu: every gram of sweat off my brow, every keystroke magnified thousandfold by the passive value of accumulated history.
mircea_popescu: the discussion re poker, EXACTLY same thing. once the buildup went away... no further point to playing.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 16:51 mircea_popescu: (this point, in either "intern can progress" or "sit in forum and access meaning" presentation, is the fundamental mechanism of both "rounders" and that "poolhall junkies" cheapo rehack of it : that the dude playing can decide the girl's future, a degree of magnitude above her own capacity. take that away -- it's not worth doing. and you sure as fuck ain't meeting the head of ny law firm socially, and play $X with him so he g
mircea_popescu: e split-second right before fight, there's not enough brain in any skull that ever passed the woman's middle to manage such ample feats. some try, but why should i take amphetamine today to compensate for having been lazy a decade ago ?
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, why did i write the original ? i had nfi when i did what the future'd be like. SURELY it was no possible perception of value. but this is merely an indication of just how fucking valuable the whole thing is, if it builds meaning upon itself in a manner that defies imagination.
mircea_popescu: actually, re-reading the comments i know why i wrote it. because i didn't like the implication that "so what if liberalizing drugs leads to truck drivers being forced to meth by economic pressure, fuck them, they're truck drivers". the idea being that you never know who the truck driver is.
mircea_popescu: bette davis is this old woman playing cards with ghetto italians (sordi and i think mangano ?)
mircea_popescu: yeah, it was her. perfect chick for the role, basically subsistence prostitute in ww2 italy. then ended up in cinecitta.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> other team's cheerleader bus, au naturel. exactly what teh airmen meant by "tailhookers all weather attack" fliers dumped on area colleges. << An appeal of hanging out with the old drunks in recovery is that their time drinking often seems a sort of cultural cosmoline.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, imdb on lollobrigida : "She was the daughter of a furniture manufacturer, and grew up in the pictorial mountain village."
BingoBoingo: Well, appears when the booze is preventing new memory formation you get a lot of "WTF? Why no butt patting the entertainment at work anymore"