BingoBoingo: My inclination was not to take the earlier committment for granted and underline the need to start working out a plan to achieve a positive ROI because I can't man alone it. Having sidechannel discussions outside this forum has been demonstrated -EV in the past. I am also wary of having strategic discussions outside of the channel where most of the republic's strategic and commercial competence sits.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Anyways, I was feeling overdue for an appointment with the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 23:46 mircea_popescu: so ok, if mod6 is committed to the prev 5btc and asciilifeform meets it, what exactly is pizarro's financial problem ?
mircea_popescu: this is a perfectly valid metric, "derps reached per bitcent". much like bw or w/e else, it's a measurement, yes.
BingoBoingo putting on shoes. asciilifeform is there anything in particular you want me to check for beyond what I reported yesterday?
trinque: BingoBoingo: looks like uy1 rebooted again?
lobbes: ty. (my irssi is on teh uy1)
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886692 << I've been digesting your initial blawg post, and then that last thread. If I were to summarize what I'd read I'd say the short-term path is clear: start automating, and then reporting on metrics gathered. In the best case it seems the only way to generate enough sales. In the worst case you will have at least produced some meaningful statistics
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 00:17 BingoBoingo: My inclination was not to take the earlier committment for granted and underline the need to start working out a plan to achieve a positive ROI because I can't man alone it. Having sidechannel discussions outside this forum has been demonstrated -EV in the past. I am also wary of having strategic discussions outside of the channel where most of the republic's strategic and commercial competence sits.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo re ". Even when I manage a piece of evangelical Republican writing well received by the targeted community as measured by 'likes'... the reception warm reception is fuctionally empty." << the problem with this is the single-flower-spring issue. if you wish t go this route your measurements are in the dozens of accounts, spitting forth 100s of daily posts supporting each other across the whole "niche".
mircea_popescu: understand there's no such thing as "a liver". either it's the whole enchilada, liver, stomach, bone, muscles, skin, all the organs -- or else nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: re
http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/ : leaving aside how annoying it is i can't select, and how it's the case trying to comment timesout : it seems the case pizarro ~made~ about 2 bitcoin during november, on the strength of its fiat-denominated holdings, taking it from being worth ~14 to being worth ~17 bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: are these factual ? because ~both~ of these would be ~significant~ accomplishments, neh ? shareholders put in 11, if memory serves, so they realised a 60% roi over the interval ?
mircea_popescu: it strikes me as the height of strange that the balance sheet seems to paint a rosy picture whereas management communication is bleak and dour. these shouldn't contradict so, which is it ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, ffa chapters are such a pleasure. it seems to me by now ffa has become such a largest-rock in the loperos garden...
☟︎ BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Fans clean, all spin. Palpable air movement in and out of the chassis. Seals in tact on arrival, new seals deployed. KVM connected. I did not manage to find the internal log in the BIOS.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 02:37 mircea_popescu: in other news, ffa chapters are such a pleasure. it seems to me by now ffa has become such a largest-rock in the loperos garden...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it strikes me as the height of strange that the balance sheet seems to paint a rosy picture whereas management communication is bleak and dour. these shouldn't contradict so, which is it ? << The cash flow situation concerns me. Our fiat denominated holdings have appreciated. As you assessed earlier our primary asset is a healthy customer relationship with the (very rare) independent datacenter. Maintaining that
BingoBoingo: relationship is also the largest of our recurring fiat denominated expenses. Sitting here my thinking latched onto present cash flow situation as the datacenter's goodwill isn't very liquid.
mircea_popescu: i happen to agree with the fellow, "partial order" (as in, the term of art) is specifically why not actually breaking anything.
mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: i weep not hjaving ran this particular instance in debug, so i can't see where it's looping, or wtf
mircea_popescu: but what the FUCK can i do, run everything in debug, maybe 3-5-12 layers deep ?
mircea_popescu: i'd like a computer where i didn't have this sort of problem.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "something happened -- nobody knows when or why or how. would you like fries with that ?"
mircea_popescu: here i sit and stare into the terminal, not knowing what to do. this happens absolutely never in my life, except when dealing with fucking computers.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anything useful could be had in a timeframe shorter than re-doing all of bitcoin. it's a large box etc.
mircea_popescu: and there it goes : happily eats ctrl-c, OF COURSE, cuz why the fuck have any sort of notion of human priviledge or anything, terminal has its own mind, right. but if sigkilled dies peacibly and then restarts as if nothing had happened.
mircea_popescu: i ~suspect~ but obviously have no way of proving that its netpipe flickered and it never recovered.
mircea_popescu: besides i have testing for this specific, "whyat happens with net interface unreliability", never found this particular issue
mircea_popescu: but then agai nthe space of shit is SO VAST it's not feasible to exhaustively test.
mircea_popescu: it's important, really cornerstone of all "made by vbasic/java/etc minds and has network access" items.
mircea_popescu: phf pre-symbolics the "theorems" were "how do i computer" in general. those guys weren't playing around with custom fpga in their garage that they failed to sell. they were basically figuring out how to build a von neumann machine that can do things, which they did
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band together and b) control, deliberately, the product. they did a very strict anti-a and anti-b. why! the only reason mit even exists in this picture is because the dozen was "omfg, we DID figure it out, now quick, find someone TO PROTECT US FROM OUR HAVING FIGURED IT OUT!!1" holy shit who thinks like this and why do they.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 20:50 mircea_popescu: nice going shinohai
shinohai: Perforemed bare hand exploration, also works.
diana_coman: shinohai, an Ada lib for client-side logging would be quite useful
diana_coman: bot is in dire need of proper logging and once the new protocol is in place I can see the client itself needing to log stuff
diana_coman: at the very least, dubious messages if/when it gets them
diana_coman: thanks! one of those days I'll get around to write-up the jam stuff for linking the lib with the client too ; at any rate, the linking seems sorted for now - it's Ada code for all the pieces that is missing
shinohai: I tried cloning, simply times out ( was going to add additional post on subject )
diana_coman: wasn't that with old versions/unmaintained ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman wth happened there, Trying 161.0.121.247... Connection timed out etc. site got nuked ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, neah, it's that part that I did not move over to the html server because it wasn't up to date really
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform BingoBoingo yo, you can't have multi hour outages, wtf.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How is the debugging and instrumenting going? Do you need my hands in the rack?
shinohai: ( I wrote initial post on Friday, minigame.bz wasn't responding then when I did post research - only thing I got was the logs subdomain)
mircea_popescu: shinohai multiple layers. it went from .bz to .biz sometime 2017 maybe ?
mircea_popescu: jurov used to maintain a git repo (2016 maybe ?) but we're not that git-friendly anyway and he kinda stopped working on it.
mircea_popescu: when diana_coman moved over the site to uy, she pruned all the shit that was badly out of date and little hope of being brought back up
diana_coman: basically we don't have a windows maintainer anymore; and yes, last parts in there were ~2016
mircea_popescu: that's nice and all, but meanwhile here i sit talking to people about absent sites yes.
mircea_popescu: bernie sanders is actually more of a player than the entire collected dnc
BingoBoingo: Please deliver instructions in #pizarro as I don't know how much log troubleshooting is going to generate
mircea_popescu: making linux accessible to senior citizen drivers, whadda ya want
mod6: mircea_popescu: I've only seen behaviour from trb like that when I've had some bad hardware. In particular a suspected bad SSD. I issue the 'getinfo' command and nothing, just hangs.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 15:34 asciilifeform: yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol
mod6: My one node I've got now, is still on that bad hardware as I haven't found a new home for it yet. Sometimes, if I just let it "figure itself out", it'll return eventually and be fine. I agree though, would be nice to get to a root cause of this by some form of testing. Hard to mimic the state, regardless.
mod6: And by 'eventually', I mean hours usually.
mod6: Oh, ok. Hmm. Well, thanks for reporting. We need to get to the bottom of that pile of weird.
mircea_popescu: and bad ssd is unlikely to hit ~specifically one~ of multiple instances, as well as it's unlikely to occur while drive has free spare sectors to map to, and besides it'd be a first. drive's fine what.
diana_coman: funnily enough it seems I even DID port over jurov's page too anyway, lolz; it was just the uy1 down thing
mod6: asciilifeform: good with me.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am seeing much faster pings
mod6: pings to 161.0.121.247 from me are: round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 194.551/195.055/198.219/0.723 ms - 0 packets lost.
mod6: I don't doubt. That seems off for sure.
BingoBoingo: I'm seeing sub 20ms pings to every box I've tried so far except UY1. UY1 is returned sub 40 ms pings
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty, will keep the hoses in until you give the withdrawal order.
mircea_popescu: very unlikely anyone's doing such a thing. you're prolly being attacked or w/e.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 21:13 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886376 << with some caveats as to how "unrelated" (in the m-r sense of the term) those candidates must be, as it's entirely possible to generate an infinite set of lying witnesses for any composite number.
Mocky: fingers crossed maybe I get a job offer today
mod6: best of luck to ya!
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 16:39 asciilifeform: ... it follows that a 0.85sec 4096b modexp is all you need for a reasonable 'rsa phone' item.
BingoBoingo: Well he had the symbolic "any key" that wasn't connected to anything
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they're so butthurt by the ~statistical~ fact. just because average black is going to be dumber than average human doesn't say any one black person's gonna be dumb or anything like that.
mircea_popescu: they're not very appreciably butthurt at all by how average whitey's gonna undertest average "azn" aka chinese.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i guess my unexamined impression is otherwise.
Mocky: they think in terms of nanny state policies and what policies statistical facts would imply
mircea_popescu: but hence my objection ? turning a blind eye to all the chowdrys taking over bureaucracy while crying bloody murder over ~explanation~ as to why first black president === worst president ever ?
Mocky: if they are gonna look at afrofacts, what next, look at femfacts?
mircea_popescu: so somehow "you can't run for city council, you're not 2nd gen azn immigrant" not quite as threatening as "you're fat because you eat too much and never get off ass" ?
mircea_popescu: so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, at this juncture i'm starting to suspect attemtping rational analysis is eminently wrong approach, not like it's a rational process.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ? << I suspect this is an element of it.
BingoBoingo: Then there's the trying to expensively defend cheap respect for "all"
BingoBoingo: In other updates Pizarro www now has selection js in place when viewing individual blog entries