mircea_popescu: im altogether uncertain what one gains by replacing ~2005 iron with 2010-2020 iron, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure gb nic works on ye olde opterons just as fine. raids are iffy, depend on all sorta bs ; but definitely exist such thing as proper raid controller in 2005.
mircea_popescu: why ssd specifically ? raid is raid, can raid tape if you want.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, have you measured any of those gb nics you run, how often they actually gb ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno doing what ; even something like the ssh census worked fine on 100mb interface.
mircea_popescu: but i suppose if you're running a camwhore site or something.
☟︎ deedbot: verisimilitude voiced for 30 minutes.
verisimilitude: I suppose it would be easy to introduce myself by linking to my website.
verisimilitude: For the past several years I'd had the idea of a machine code development tool in my mind and for over a year now I've been working to breathe life into it.
verisimilitude: I call this Meta-Machine Code (MMC) and the article detailing it in general is here:
verisimilitude: I stopped by to perhaps get your opinions or to see what you all are working on lately.
verisimilitude: I didn't write the game, but I did write that document.
verisimilitude: I've been meaning to refine it and also have a version without color.
verisimilitude: It either copies the program into memory or the memory to be executed.
mircea_popescu: well, as to the specific question, this "mmc" item will require some looking.
verisimilitude: I wanted to make a derivative of P" and Brainfuck that was difficult to compile and also make a crude joke.
verisimilitude: That's just to make certain I don't start out confused.
verisimilitude: I've not read them in any detail; I take it I have it wrong, then.
verisimilitude: So, I should write I'm only familiar with this channel because of loper-os.
trinque: plenty of places similar to uninhabited island that one can find
mircea_popescu: i seriously am going to have to drop 2.x kernels ? this is kinda scandalous.
mircea_popescu: im willing to bet nothing worth the mention was added since 2.6 that can't be added in an improved format to great gain.
mircea_popescu: is your idea drivers won't link against 2 line kernel ?
mircea_popescu: conceivably this might run ? ie, not running currently because never tried, not necessarily because impediments ?
mircea_popescu: mind giving it a seeing to ? it'll be a very useful heuristic, imo, "get rk drivers on 2.6 kernel"
mircea_popescu: sorta like a sonar blast to see under this iceberg peak.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 23:24 trinque: the kernel in current cuntoo is 4.9.95, by virtue solely of being when I took the snapshot
mircea_popescu: "i just happened to get dragged to 3.6 line along, dunno"
mircea_popescu: but if this is not so, i'd much rather find out sooner than later.
mircea_popescu: no, typically folks dragged by the please-upgrade.php.rss
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i'm quite certain that it can be made to. <
verisimilitude: I've noticed only one result in the logs for ``yeeloong''.
deedbot: verisimilitude voiced for 30 minutes.
verisimilitude: I suppose I can use the Yeeloong to generate a PGP key.
verisimilitude: It's because I own this hardware that I intend for the first MMC targeting a ``real'' machine to target MIPS. I decided if I ever got one, I'd try to understand it well enough to run my own software directly on the bare metal and in the boot firmware.
verisimilitude: There's bits of GNU, Linux, OpenBSD, Solaris, K&R C, and other nonsense strewn about; there's Perl programs generating MIPS assembler; C programs that clearly invoke undefined behavior and so only work by chance; and other such things.
mircea_popescu: verisimilitude you might as well get one of the rks over in the republica oriental. arm boxes.
verisimilitude: ARM is certainly a better architecture than MIPS ever can be.
mircea_popescu: well, in any case fitter for your prototyping needs as i can see them atm.
mircea_popescu: moreover, a bit of a republican standard, so liable to get more attention.
verisimilitude: I'm rather fond of Big-Endian CISC machines, but those are all rather dead nowadays.
verisimilitude: If you have eight instructions, you're inevitably just going to have a large amount of meta-instructions all the same.
mircea_popescu: and issue a paper slip per instruction, for hand-writeoff
verisimilitude: From my perspective, it would probably be easiest to collect several old home computers and make certain they produce identical results, to get reasonably reliable and trustworthy computing.
mircea_popescu: verisimilitude whole fucking republic consists of this.
mircea_popescu: heck, current trilema header is me with ye olde hp in istanbul.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
verisimilitude: I'd wager I could fit an MMC targeting the 6502 in 64K with only minimal bank switching for larger programs.
verisimilitude: I'd expect those this concerned would host their own IRC.
verisimilitude: Freenode would really be fine with me, if it didn't block Tor.
verisimilitude: Once I get this PGP nonsense sorted out, I'll tell you a story.
BingoBoingo: Think of it this way, how many years have you kept your kidneys without losing them?
verisimilitude: Well, it probably wouldn't be this long if I really had to give it that much thought.
trinque: it's just that in-group signaling about "tee hee lazy"
trinque: the in-group cuts the other direction here.
trinque: verisimilitude: anyhow I wont mind swapping your key later if you want to generate one in more sanitary conditions later, provided you sign for me the new key with old.
verisimilitude: If I don't get it before I run out of time again, I'll just do it later.
verisimilitude: I'm having issues on my Thinkpad with it. I didn't have all of the software installed here.
verisimilitude: On that topic, I've been using GuixSD for a bit; what are you using, asciilifeform?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 01:06 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: make key, you will be able to swap it later by asking politely of trinque
trinque: nope, I have not had time to implement that
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:10 mircea_popescu: but i suppose if you're running a camwhore site or something.
mircea_popescu: and no, most boxes speak 1mn:1 more to the net than to me. and if this weren't the case, i wouldn't keep 'em.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 19:43 mircea_popescu: diana_coman it occurs to me the work might also be misspecced. anyone have serious objections to moving to 1-2048 down from 1-65536 ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 20:17 asciilifeform: well yes : conceivably 'frags in 2' worx ~100% of time, but 'in 8' not etc
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854219 -> tiny new pilot test seems to suggest it's not as bad as that: all 100 packets of a batch (sent in burst mode, no delays) made it, with pseudo-randomly chosen sizes between 6 and 2048; predictably though, order was messed up at times
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 09:06 diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853827 -> sounds at least like something worth getting some data on, yes; I wouldn't even be surprised if ~any frag results in mostly lost packets
diana_coman: following from the above: currently order and order-mismatches *can* be calculated at data analysis time based on the 2 logs; alternatively, I could add another 2 octets to the tester's own header to store an order number so receiver can also report directly any order-mismatch - not sure if that's worth it though, any thoughts on it?
☟︎ diana_coman: ftr tester sends as above payloads between 6 and 2048 rather than 0 and 2048 because the first 6 octets are the header part (things like size sent and time when sent)
diana_coman: the last column in the receiver log is now a count of payload octets that are different from what is expected - if any such octets are observed, the receiver will log now their actual position + value in a different log file; so far I haven't seen any error of this type
diana_coman: the pilot test is UK -> UY (same as yesterday's)
diana_coman: I can certainly run such a test too if we want to check that specific situation; now that I got ~everything in place, knobs can be easily turned for sure
diana_coman: logically speaking, one wouldn't expect them to be, no; the foggiest part atm for me is that interval from ~512 up to ~1500
diana_coman: no, I am still fuzzing about; but will try in a bit
diana_coman: will do; I can think of a few other routes as well but possibly first have it run on one route for a while and then expand
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ftr, just ran a batch 100 packets from UY to UK and... 19 made it! oh boy
diana_coman: but it does seem to be just too much for local setup/saturating basically
diana_coman: mod6, yes! onth a batch of 20 packets only rather than 100 made it fully
mod6: the missing ones didn't hit the interface either? i.e. they were lost in transit, not once they hit your interface?
diana_coman: mod6, as far as I can tell they got lost in transit but I don't know *how close* to the machine itself (this UK machine is behind a router, I've set up port forwarding for it); basically atm the UK->UY vs UY->UK is pretty much client->server vs server-> client communication
mod6: Ah. running tcpdump at all to log the traffic?
diana_coman: I had tcpdump sniffing at same time and it reported same 19, not more
mod6: any chance that the data got consolidated into less packets?
diana_coman: tbh if anything I start suspecting at most the router
diana_coman: I wanted to run this because it mimics much closer eulora client<->server communications but otherwise might set up different end nodes
mod6: overall, sounds like you're making decent progress tho
diana_coman: mod6, certainly; I'll wait pretty much for any feedback on it all and otherwise it's quite ready to run for a week or more (receiver always on, sender as some hourly cron taks)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that sounds very useful for eulora clients basically
diana_coman: asciilifeform, any feedback re latest logs? anything else you'd want in there?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, how can it know? i.e. they might come...later, no?
diana_coman: isn't this something more for next step at data analysis? (i.e. minus the two logs and highlight missing stuff)
diana_coman: aha; meanwhile playing here with the dubious UY->UK direction and I'd say it's pretty clear that bursts of more than 50 packets or so increase packet loss visibly; I suppose this makes for a nice thing to look at specifically once I get one week of data or so
☟︎ diana_coman: asciilifeform, apparently there is also various sizes bursts
diana_coman: got 31/75 even when all sizes were below 300
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 11:13 diana_coman: following from the above: currently order and order-mismatches *can* be calculated at data analysis time based on the 2 logs; alternatively, I could add another 2 octets to the tester's own header to store an order number so receiver can also report directly any order-mismatch - not sure if that's worth it though, any thoughts on it?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 13:37 asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know btw if you'd like to send me the sender and do a packet survival run to/from asciilifeformistan
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 14:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to see a test where there is only 1 size, across various sizes, if possible
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:05 diana_coman: aha; meanwhile playing here with the dubious UY->UK direction and I'd say it's pretty clear that bursts of more than 50 packets or so increase packet loss visibly; I suppose this makes for a nice thing to look at specifically once I get one week of data or so
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:23 asciilifeform: ( i.e. without the plaintext control messages, where any thirdparty derp can close your connection, infer contents via burst lengths, etc )
phf: ave1: just fyi i punted on trying to get it operational on a "recent" linux. i hacked around the isystem issue, and ran into something else entirely downstream. also it is a "recent" linux issue, because it builds fine on as-heathen-as-it-gets centos 6.7 (2016 or so)
phf: my guess as to the issue is that the combination of flags required in order to bring up a "bootstrap" system has changed, bootstrap process produces a build that fails to stand on its own
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've been on and off looking through for the past coupla weeks.
mircea_popescu: "Bingoboingo is being questioned about having ‘two imports’" hahaha this girl.
mircea_popescu: hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ? << It isn't in the mpwp v-tree, no
mircea_popescu: "Discussion on how mircea_popescu does not like the new extension (v), as it fragments the sensata-perceptible identity of the v" << this is so fucking cute. what's sensata-perceptible, bimbo ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not writing the "lifestory of linus", either. for the same exact reason -- who the fuck is he ?
a111: Logged on 2018-03-13 20:25 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787759 <-- a-ha, mystery solved! Trilema has a <div class="post"> child to <span id="shash-...">, so that portion of the script selects it when the child is not a text node (the nodeType==3 bit). thetarpit DOM tree is flatter and doesn't wrap the content in this additional div. NB, will keep it mind should performance ever prove to be an issue.
mircea_popescu: and i didn't write the lifestory of rms, and so on. not everyone is c s lewis.
mircea_popescu: all through the attempt the question would be "why did you expect martian poop is culinary item" and i'd have no answer and it'd drive me mad.
mircea_popescu: i'm currently connected through the internet through sheer force of will, and there's a tcp thing trying to rape this.
a111: Logged on 2013-12-22 16:56 asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor
mircea_popescu: "people are keeping their office uncluttered through sheer force of will, and there's a bunch of crap trying to rape this, such as 'ring binders'."
mircea_popescu: what people want is what people want, and then "what is available" tries to fuck with this.
mircea_popescu: "i want a girl" "how about mary ?" process. if i wanted fucking mary, i'd have fucking said i want mary.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 16:15 mircea_popescu: hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ?
mircea_popescu: "but mp... eventually... you'll have to do SOMETHING." "yes, and even without that maybe eventually i will do something. this gives no one license to pretend the inadequacy of ontos is now gnosis' problem."
mircea_popescu: most people emulate this by getting larger kitchen so headbang on cabinet less statistically likely. then they have more floor to clean.
mircea_popescu: ~this~ is the fundamental problem of the world, and the whole fucking point of gnosis (as the cvasi-religious movement) : creator was ~evidently~ fucktarded, nothing to be proud of.
phf: mircea_popescu, ave1
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QtjVR/?raw=true this was the log from the last invocation, but i'm not sure if it's representative of an issue. this was downstream from a handful of hacks and manual invocations
mircea_popescu: just good to have, you never know what when where sparks.
mircea_popescu: "phf: the problem with publishing ununderstood spew is that you're potentially publishing forever"
phf: well, i have some idea what's going on, the binutils build is attempting to use bootstrapped gcc, which in turn can't find its own link objects, one sec on log
phf: (relevant bits are at "cannot find crt1.o")
phf: (the previous error i mentioned in logs was probably using same compiler before it was installed into its destination, because it was being invoked with explicit -B flags (-B flag points to compiler bits explicitly). this new failing bootstrapped compiler would work if provided explicit -B which makes me guess that some phase that was supposed to get compiler into knowing where its bits are failed.)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:58 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854282 << i don't get it, 50 packets / hour is less than 1 per minute. this can't saturate anything. are you doing the burst in the sense of just dumping all the packets on the interface in 2 s and waiting the 3598 other s idle ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, i don't think we're trying to study bursts or saturation here. rather a study of the route under best conditions so to speak.
diana_coman: k, will add delay 1 sec between packets at sender, not a problem
diana_coman: btw, there is no "idle", no; sender sends and finishes, what idle? it'll get started again by a cron task
diana_coman: receiver is always on, but there's not much point in sender being always on
diana_coman: (it can be done though, if one really wants it, basically an Ada task to be repeated hourly, but I don't see the benefit to that)
diana_coman: to recap so I don't miss anything: no counter sent in header for packets; packets will have sizes between 6 (header length so minimum) and 2048; sender will have a 1second delay between each new package sent
mircea_popescu: "It was a capital lecture so far as this, that the tutor who gave it had got up his subject completely. He knew the whole history of the Articles, how they grew into their present shape, with what fortunes, what had been added, and when, and what omitted. With this, of course, was joined an explanation of the text, as deduced, as far as could be, from the historical account thus given. Not only the British, but the foreign Re
mircea_popescu: formers were introduced; and nothing was wanting, at least in the intention of the lecturer, for fortifying the young inquirer in the doctrine and discipline of the Church of England.
mircea_popescu: It did not produce this effect on Reding. Whether he had expected too much, or whatever was the cause, so it was that he did but feel more vividly the sentiment of the old father in the comedy, after consulting the lawyers, "Incertior sum multo quam ante." He saw that the profession of faith contained in the Articles was but a patchwork of bits of orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Calvinism, and Zuinglism; and this too on no principle;
mircea_popescu: that it was but the work of accident, if there be such a thing as accident; that it had come down in the particular shape in which the English Church now receives it, when it might have come down in any other shape; that it was but a toss-up that Anglicans at this day were not Calvinists, or Presbyterians, or Lutherans, equally well as Episcopalians. This historical fact did but clench the difficulty, or rather impossibility
mircea_popescu: , of saying what the faith of the English Church was."
mircea_popescu: dude manages, 50 or so pages in, to fully explain the fucking problem. "i gave up on this idiocy because upon first serious examination -- idiotic". i can see that.
mircea_popescu: if only c s lewis went to the same oxford as j h newman! what ample oddles of bellybutton lint'd have been spared the examination! how much better the prose, and the world resting upon it.
mircea_popescu: it is the singular misfortune of the world that the sort of people who lived before computing lived before computing, and the sort living with computing are the sort we see around. i'd very much like these switched, give computers to that newman and give typhus to the current professor of logic.
ave1: phf, your error is in the AdaCore gnat gcc (gcc -version shows these boron.a directories)
ave1: phf: I suspect this modern systems has placed the C library and crt1.o etc in some wierd place
ave1: to debug it, just try to compile a basic C hello world with the AdaCore gcc (and also with the system gcc, with -v so that it shows you the paths)
phf: ave1: that is not what's going on
phf: by then adacore gnat gcc already managed to compile a whole bunch of stuff
phf: actually, that is what's going on! but i'm not sure how it got that way, because i've both tested adacore's gnat ahead of time, and also had it building things. something must've gotten clobbered
phf: well, the system in question also has empty /usr/include at this point. so yeah things got clobbered
ave1: wow, that never happed to me yet, if the scripts somehow can cause this please report!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so d00d linused himself on the stake, huh. << Linus is a line in the Wilson piece because presumably Wilson at least got his nut off with the little girl who fucked him
mircea_popescu: speaking of stupid girlfriends of naggums : anyone recall the "obituary" lulz ?
BingoBoingo: Bitch only had to do three things: SOCKS and COCKS and Eulogy
mircea_popescu: lulziest shit ever, there was at the time a whole redditactivism thing that aimed to (somehow) hurtfully & distressfully associate trilema with the expression.
BingoBoingo: Whatever happened to sciencehatesMpsStalker
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to guess why it'd go nowhere, i mean, a) insulting people by using their own words often works (on retards, why would it not work on people who say what they mean & mean what they say ?) and moreover b) summarization works on everything else, why'd trilema escape it and c) wtf is this strategic superiority jazz and who ever heard of the rhino-mud-birthday-gift issue. and so on
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo found bf/drug dealer, is happily working the ghetto streets now ?
mircea_popescu: there was a film about "successful negro reclaimed by streets", walk of shame.
mircea_popescu: of course, they gave it a "happy ending", but it's fucking obvious what ~really~ happened.
BingoBoingo: Related: Will be sleeping at a hostel tonight after spanish class to keep in touch with my roots. That and people give me the heads up when its pizza night (free calories).
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Looks like a standard east azn deportation
BingoBoingo: non-standard is they let the white devil take their wimmins with him
BingoBoingo: In other completely unsurprising finds the Linux cock writer is <b>MR.</b> "Coraline" Ehmke
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot scheduled to patch ? << iirc this is second instance of query. i'll patch it this week, yes.
diana_coman: to me it sounds very much like the usual bakshish/peshkesh request, lol
BingoBoingo: Well, I'll have to read an go to the physical places tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: Well, wtf the office is and why they might complain.
BingoBoingo: And going has to be tomorrow because offices are closing for the day at this hour
diana_coman: my point above was that "derping for week+" + obscure "fault you have to fix" sounds precisely like "I keep asking for a bribe and I did not get any!!"
mod6: diana_coman has a point, aren't we supposed to grease the wheels in such a palce?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, 1s delay seems to result at least on UK->UY direction on preserving even order at destination, at least at this hour; at any rate, I'll look at it tomorrow and unless I can spot some trouble, it should then be chugging along
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 21:03 asciilifeform: i mean, wtf, enviro ?! what, this model of usb stick is banned in uy because does not include enuff % cow shit by mass ??
mircea_popescu: the method you're currently using is and always was regarded as braindamaged at best.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: alternatively, source it locally ; or get a company off the ground already, get it a customs agent and process the crates there.
mircea_popescu: whatever you pick of that 5ish items list, the "let's see what happens if you amazon it over" was never more than that -- novelty lulz item.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would it be fair to say the discount for risk-of-loss through this process is about 40% ? ie, 2 in 5 shipments are lost to it ?
mircea_popescu: well in any case, 1.3 surcharge * 1.4 risk of loss means almost 200% the price.
mircea_popescu: in which case, simply shipping books or w/e seems competitive.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you ever talked to the chinos ? i mean specifically the supermarket folks. they routinely blocade run, might be able to get you some shit ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one point here that's not clear to me at all is why would anyone expect uruguayan law applies to us ? BingoBoingo is not a national, what fucking "dinama" ?
phf: dinamo is a machine for extracting bablos from lohs, asciilifeform should know that. dinama must be a south american variant
mircea_popescu: "i get it, you have a law about your peons not being allowed to buy shit. good. so ?"
mircea_popescu: i understood the complaint as "apparently someone somewhere is under the impression BingoBoingo can't get 3490874389 crates shipped because there's a law about local morons being limited to 2"
mircea_popescu: file papers for conversion/theft against the agency and one individual involved (pick whoever you least liked) personally and there you go.
mircea_popescu: if nothing else, will introduce him to the courts ; and open a whole new lolz front.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect it's expensive, no. besides, very likely will be arbitrated rather than adjudicated
mircea_popescu: (first phase of this will consist of local retards very intently repeating what BingoBoingo "has to understand" that "things is" and BingoBoingo laughintg his ass off)
mircea_popescu: it's not been my experience anywhere ; including the us.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 21:18 asciilifeform: 'customs agent' last time it was seen to, was cost-~equivalent to asciilifeform's magic trunk.
mircea_popescu: amusingly,
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854493 is right there in black and white : "Based on my experiences with customs both times, anyone taking hardware to Spaceship Montevideo must conceal as much of it in servers as possible, and unbag that which cannot be plugged in, as items that are "new in box" trigger the customs officials no end."
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 21:12 mircea_popescu: the method you're currently using is and always was regarded as braindamaged at best.
mircea_popescu: you've paid a lot of money to figure out "no items new in box", why not use it.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you ever talked to the chinos ? i mean specifically the supermarket folks. they routinely blocade run, might be able to get you some shit ? << I'm trying to find restaurant Chinese here. The only Chinese Chinese I reliably come across are new chinese wearing suits and renting WTC to buy cows.
mircea_popescu: talk to people ; statistically it's always better to than not to.
mircea_popescu: it never yet happened that "my decision to not talk to this stranger paid off". seems counterintuitive, is nevertheless the case.
BingoBoingo: Will talk to them when they smoke circle outside the towers.
BingoBoingo: There's a group that regularly smoke circles in front of the datacenter tower, will get on it.
mircea_popescu: moreover, uruguay is if memory serves civil rather than common law. even easier to do.
BingoBoingo: I'll look for a copy of the code at the Feria Sunday
BingoBoingo: They have one, one person wrote it, as legal writings go it can't be an awful read
mircea_popescu: good for spanish in any case, and to impress the peruanas.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, in the reading of the now it looks like it could be a small wank where I may have to register the business of myself as an importer of products packaged in non-reusable packaging
mircea_popescu used to do this in his teens, to very moistening effect indeed.
BingoBoingo: My past civil experiences could have had that effect. The traffic court case over a 75 USD speeding ticket prolly not.
BingoBoingo: But yes this is a civil law system here, and I don't see why anyone who went to a facultad de derecho ought to have any chance if I do case prep.
mircea_popescu: well, also a matter of principles involved. "these schmucks stole my shit, what matters it was only $300" sounds a lot better than "i am so fucking cheap, ima try and beg mom to let me off hook for $75 in damages".
BingoBoingo: The principal in the traffic case was Pocahontas, Illinois (and the rest of Bond County) can be arsed to get the radars they buy used calibrated.
BingoBoingo: Or used them according to the manufacterer's instructions
BingoBoingo: But hamplanet judge wrote it off as "local standards" and who was I to take it to apellate court when Uruguay was calling
BingoBoingo: Anyways, reading more on DINAMA and Aduanas. At this moment it seems registering as an importer of packaged products and coming up with a waste management plan might do the trick: En el alcance del decreto 260/007 se establece que toda empresa importadora o propietaria de marca que pone en el mercado productos envasados, deben encontrarse inscriptos en el registro que llevala DINAMA y contar o adherir a un plan de gestión de residuos
BingoBoingo: And... they specify "artículos eléctricos y artículos electrónicos"; Looks like I am getting a new piece of paper to hang on the wall.
mircea_popescu: "local standards" lmao. local physics, too, why not. "sir, do you know how fast you were going ?" "52mph" "nope, 7615!" "what ?! look my dear man, it says so right here" "ah, that may be how your car sees it... but here... WE HAVE LOCAL STANDARDS"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no fucking way, that's if you sell coca cola.
BingoBoingo: Or apparently if you sell USB drives in their shells
BingoBoingo: Reused as arts and crafts materials could work as well. These folks love their cardboard
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but you don't sell anything. you're going to eat them
BingoBoingo: I eat them, customs folk can't imagine that, hippos dance, the lobos marinos sing, and at some point PizarroISP the musical will resound through the Gossipd equivalent of torrents
BingoBoingo: Plenty more reading to do before the relevant targets get into their offices tomorrow
BingoBoingo: Diplobags isn't out of the question. This place is littered with embassies.
BingoBoingo: Not much to do but meet them at their level, put the chains on, and drag them with their words
mod6 just had a good chuckle at the 'danced the asked-for dance'