mircea_popescu: what's new elaineo

mircea_popescu: !!up elaineo

mircea_popescu: what's it say ?

mircea_popescu: hm.

mircea_popescu: trinque is deedbot sick ? i notice he kinda quit doing the rss also

mircea_popescu: elaineo did you say something just like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717369 to it ? except diff numbers of course ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: no, deedbot is an actual bot ; oglafbot is an actual dude.

mircea_popescu: a

mircea_popescu: yes, but it has joined the chorus invisible for the time being.

mircea_popescu: gotta get hosting sorted out.

mircea_popescu: "Nobody becomes a software engineer because they love writing code; they become a software engineer because it allows them to build out ideas." << this is not so in my experience. from what i've seen in others, and certainyl in my own case, we become engineers because everythinf everyone else does is shit.

mircea_popescu: i came out of retirement for like the third fucking time to design non-crap items ; asciilifeform narrowly avoided the bottle because apparently there were some people somewhere actually engineering, as opposed to tubgirling all over themnselves. and so following.

mircea_popescu: (btw, check out how sentence references work on trilema : http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/#selection-39.0-39.40 ) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: the latter.

mircea_popescu: this is a matter of incontrovertible fact, signed by the hand of the author himself : if i didn't HAVE TO write http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm and such, nobody "involved in bitcoin" would even know my name.

mircea_popescu: i dunno how common this case is in general ; but i guarantee it is the only case where it actually matters, which is to say at the top. that's why torvalds got off ass, that's why rich got off ass, pick any one of the actually competent.

mircea_popescu: it did not stop sucking, no. but it did suck then.

mircea_popescu: "If you’re a Venture Capitalist, the last thing you want is for your child to go into wage slavery." << more in the same vein. i do take the tack you recommend ("you have no choice in the matter ; the bullwhip is right over there if this doesn't translate otherwise") with my own slavegirls, in a limited sense, thereby forcing them to proficiency in ~certain aspects~ of software engineering. those aspects are exactly those a

mircea_popescu: lligned with the above -- woman, you have to be able to think clearly, and correctly, and when i say "take no crap from anyone, be it wikipedia or your mom", i actually mean ~something~. it's not a ra ra ra, it's an actually specified artefact, it belongs in engineering, with process assurance and quality control and all that jazz, not as part of a pep rally.

mircea_popescu: being a ~competent~ engineer, of any kind, can't possibly be a regression. it's intellectually required for human life.

mircea_popescu: one could indeed readily so imagine ; doesn't take much.

mircea_popescu: amusingly, 3k word answer to your q is quoted above, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1718967 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: aha!

mircea_popescu is happy with that as a one line summary.

mircea_popescu: "The most important tech skill, then, isn’t computers or engineering — It’s the art of getting paid to control vast amounts of money." << this then is rank nonsense on the level of "the best car is one with a really powerful engine". really, no steering needed ? brakes optional ? some people are good at finance, some people are horrible at it. yes, fixing your head so you don't suck at finance is absolute requirement fo

mircea_popescu: r human completeness. fixing your head so you don't suck at engineering is earlier stop on the same road. first, you learn to walk, THEN you learn to fuck. "the most important skill" is a discussion of age and station appropriateness, naught else.

mircea_popescu: elaineo well, a master, i expect. but not self perceived, perception dun enter into it. substantial master.

mircea_popescu: no, i did not. but the reason is unrelated : engineering deals with discrete, concrete items, before your eyes. finance deals with complex systems of such items.

mircea_popescu: trying to "understand thermodynamics" without any shits given for the atomic theory will result in tears.

mircea_popescu: moreover, consider the case of mr hruschev of the soviets vs mr lee of the singaporeans. it is a factual matter that no one to date had control, properly called financial in this context, of more resources than hruschev. nor probably ever will. what good did it do him ? and lee started with two old boats and some captured rats. he grilled the rats, sold them and went from there, completing one of the very few cases documented

mircea_popescu: to date of that ancient boyish dream of you know, "trading toothpicks for car parts and those for plastic bags and so on until trillionaire!"

mircea_popescu: but this aside, you familiar with the general fate of lottery winners ?

mircea_popescu: having a large army behind you (and money is strictly nothing but) is, obviously, an important ingredient in gaining battlefield glory and the laurels of caesar.

mircea_popescu: no argument here. however, crassus was ill served by his army at carrhae.

mircea_popescu: elaineo but they do control outsized chunks of money.

mircea_popescu: i am looking. what am i expected to see ?

mircea_popescu: this is a dubious statement of the actual history of the matter.

mircea_popescu: consider it from this angle : for 1 point, who was emperor maximillian ; for 1 point, what did he order be done to his artillery pieces and in which town ; for a further point who happened to live there and for the remainder 6 poins, why did you not say his name ?

mircea_popescu: when you pick two examples but fail to pick the proper one among them, teacher knows you didn;t actually do the reading.

mircea_popescu: jakob fugger was the proper example for this "rich man financing the dissolution of medieval system into industrial society". and the emperor had his artillery wheels bound in hay so as to not disturb his sleep.

mircea_popescu: this may suggest that "human capital" was of no importance, value or interest. what mattered was ailleurs.

mircea_popescu: now then -- the iliterate migrant worker who wins 100mn worth of powerball you would have learn how to read and write so the shysters won't trick him with contracts. this makes sense. yet the innocent daughter of a VC you wouldn't have understand engineering, so the shysters won't feed her crap in their description of "reality" ? what's this girl to do if she ever has to fix her car, pay 8k for a new johnson rod, like george

mircea_popescu: costanza ?

mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am8mbOeKBzE << teh johnson rod.

mircea_popescu: tell ?

mircea_popescu: lol, what's that, some google ai thing ?

mircea_popescu: ailleurs there is a reference to "la joie c'est ailleurs", which is my own reprocessing of "la vie est ailleurs", which is a kundera novel, and the yarn of reference, criticism and tongue in cheekness does continue

mircea_popescu: yes. everyone was expected to understand the reference.

mircea_popescu: dja ever read milan kundera btw ?

mircea_popescu: ah, too bad. i'd expect you'd like him, seems to me exactly in your style.

mircea_popescu: though granted this may be more a description of my poor understanding of selfsame styler.

mircea_popescu: so supposing you were going to teach me about capitalism ... what would you say ?

mircea_popescu: hm.

mircea_popescu: eh, i find it hard to believe you can live in bay area and not be an investor. don't they force-feed everyone stocks, options, etcetera as part of employment there ?

mircea_popescu: well, technically the definition of investor, neh ? one who owns commercial paper in excess of 0 cash nominal value.

mircea_popescu: i expect not. so why do you expect other people/parents who don't even have enough sense to find #trilema could teach their kids anything, including how to make mayo ? leaving aside something as intricate as capitalism.

mircea_popescu: elaineo this works well for adults. kids need to be fed.

mircea_popescu: otherwise, indian continent wolves adopting indian kids into their litters make excellent parents.

mircea_popescu: if they're not happy, they'll bark their unhappiness to the stars above.

mircea_popescu: "If pet food companies used the same business model as startups: Jim creates a dog food factory and gives away dog food for free. 450 million dogs line up for free dog food. Purina Dog Chow understands that non-paying dog food consumers are currency, and buys Jim’s factory for $42 per dog." << in other historical elaineo lulz. ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: aha.

mircea_popescu: i recall. was well received here too. somehow it's not money laudnering when the right idiots do it.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in historical elaineo terrible, "Uber is a great example of a hack: Taxicab licensing rules are annoying and only serve to make a few people’s lives better (the taxi medallion owners) while making many people’s lives worse. Waze allows drivers to report speed traps and police checkpoints because we all know that CHP officers only issue tickets to fill their quotas. Airbnb shirks rental and zoning regulations, an

mircea_popescu: d the world is arguably a better place for it."

mircea_popescu: dja think any of that is defensible ?

mircea_popescu: let's take the first one. why would $random city in $national country give up its taxi transportation system to the usg ?

mircea_popescu: so that self-important schmucks in washington can spy on foreign nationals daily, and now and again "sanction" foreign government with taxi strike generated in the usual manner ?

mircea_popescu: but what actually happens is that the blue state will tryt to get people who didn't vote for the pantsuited hilarity unable to use cabs.

mircea_popescu: in actual point of practice. no "underserved minority" is getting into the recent suv crossover.

mircea_popescu: yes.\

mircea_popescu: all "us registered corporations" are simply agencies of the usg.

mircea_popescu: "regulatory compliance" it's called in-universe. but in practice, they're exactly like the old time soviet govt entreprises.

mircea_popescu: there is, because publkic transport is mostly state, whereas uber is federal.

mircea_popescu: and because there's specific laws protecting public interest from a time before the bush power grabs

mircea_popescu: it's not winning anywhere. the whole thing is a more-successful-than-usual spam&fraud campaign by graham and friends.

mircea_popescu: but it's entirely like groupon say.

mircea_popescu: well, i'ma opt out of arguing waze without prejudice, because while it's basically an antieconomic game of masturbation, i'm too lazy to argue it.

mircea_popescu: worthless anyway, anyway.

mircea_popescu: many ways to see how shitty it is. seriously, i want to change my fuckable 3years leases neighbour for a horde of unwashed 20something 2-week leasors ?

mircea_popescu: holy shit no.

mircea_popescu: last fucking thing i want is to have to argue at idiots about music being too loud each week and actually be confronted with literall different idiots with identical idiocy in them

mircea_popescu: for all the gargle, there's ~nothing came out of marc a & paul g's up and coming rap label firms.

mircea_popescu: you're welcome, but do you happen to know what's the worst thing that can happen to a gifted woman early on in her life ?

mircea_popescu: a bad source of revenue.

mircea_popescu: the original discussed "promising companies", but there's really no difference -- women are great company.

mircea_popescu: elaineo free shit is terrible, which is why wanna-be pimps hang around highschools trying to paw off "free shit" to the better looking 16yos.

mircea_popescu: quite.

mircea_popescu: also why aren't your footnotes clickable ? like eg in https://elaineou.com/2014/11/11/silicon-valley-is-the-new-fannie-mae/ i wanna click on that 1.

mircea_popescu: i won't even ask what do you think makes me gather the dork is having a great time from that pic.

mircea_popescu: ah. also, tooltipping footnotes are good.

mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't realise azn immigrants are even allowed to be lazy

mircea_popescu: ah. yea, makes sense.

mircea_popescu: nah.

mircea_popescu: why, do 2nd gen azns ?

mircea_popescu: hm.

mircea_popescu: well, truth be told, there's no official "turning loose" as such. girls can leave if they wanna, some do now and again, but it's not that common.

mircea_popescu: elaineo that's an tlp original.

mircea_popescu: no, some are rewrites of other people's work, like say the disgrace series, or you know, http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/ or http://trilema.com/2013/a-story-of-a-boy-and-a-tree/

mircea_popescu: others are adnotations, like the recent rothbard series for instance.

mircea_popescu: this one's of that latter kind. the footnotes are mine, but the text is originally published by ballas over at thelastpsychiatrist.com ; linked there in the first line.

mircea_popescu: not very good dialogue ?

mircea_popescu: one problem with trilema is that some articles (esp the lifestyle sort, for isntance) end up with a heavy load of private jokes. these aren't materia obscura a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719021 but actual "0 chances someone i'm not fucking gets this". ☝︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, the context is the earlier rewrite of luminous, the sf story. you know it ?

mircea_popescu: ah. well, article is http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ and original kindly provided by asciilifeform is http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wpf7J/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717656 << that's where we argue about it. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: "I suppose I could pull up my Bloomberg terminal if I wanted to do some research before making an investment decision, but I feel like that’s not in the spirit of this app." << A-HA! caught you elaineo !

mircea_popescu: https://elaineou.com/2014/12/03/amazon-the-worlds-biggest-startup/ << in historical lulz. kinda hard to believe they came up with that shit.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719139 << o hey! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the titty ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/dc870678a61907d4f2b4f17250d29eb5/tumblr_nsfzwbHkVt1s2wsdzo1_400.gif

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719150 << lulziest shit of all time. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719161 << yes. so would be phuctor, but in its strange wisdom teh empire decided to donate the hosting ☝︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's put it this way, i noticed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714183 because i was going to pay them. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: hey, i know a certain petro plant that got free gas for about 8 months.

mircea_popescu: matter was still being litigated a decade afterwards.

mircea_popescu: or to put it in its canonical form, http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/#selection-39.331-39.449

mircea_popescu: "heavily counseled parties to mega-mergers do not breach merger agreements out of inadvertence, negligence, or mistake."

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like that.

mircea_popescu: hey, "capitalism", as understood and implemented by nitwits who can't answer questions.

mircea_popescu: and in other "we used to be cool"s, http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/3/4/15/enhanced-buzz-14488-1299271596-9.jpg

mircea_popescu: not actually usable for eulora as such, is it. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: well, players are problematic. they might download the game and wait for a few hours to get a key going. then again they might not. nobody's waiting for a week tho, i don't expect.

mircea_popescu: in any case the problem is that i'll have to design some kind of extender, can't do pure rsa throughout because of the sheer load. there's multiple messages/sec

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case the implementation will be isolated, so that one can swap his preferred item in.

mircea_popescu: but basically, the only practical approach here is to actually import the gpg implementation, warts and all, but modularily, and see later maybe it can be swapped out.

mircea_popescu: since the client is intended to dissolve into competing community-driven implementations anyway, i don't expect to even be involved in weighing that maybe.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess we'll be having this problem demonstrated in practice. what can i do ?

mircea_popescu: need was correctly identified year+ in advance ; the fact work is ongoing is no solace -- something must go in, and it will go in now.

mircea_popescu: the only item ready to go in is in fact koch's, and so he gets imported.

mircea_popescu: at least it makes the community failure plain to the community.

mircea_popescu: i ~tried~ to have crypto.

mircea_popescu: what i got is what i got, and that's what the community in turn gets, and when it has a better idea -- implementation it is one comment out away.

mircea_popescu: s.mg oif course assumes 0 liability to accounts lost through the process of leaking keys.

mircea_popescu: yeah but how't that work, i make a line speed fpga based encrypto/decryptor and use it as a router ?

mircea_popescu: this is at best a year away.

mircea_popescu: and i don't want to bake things that've not even been tested as software.

mircea_popescu: i suppose that might work.

mircea_popescu: at least from a theoretical pov.

mircea_popescu: not likely fit no.

mircea_popescu: "matrix" ends up with what, intermatrix carry ?

mircea_popescu: and bus made how ?

mircea_popescu: quite, yes.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ideally chat will move to irc altogether.

mircea_popescu: for the historically inclined : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 are prolly the relevant anchors for this discussion. ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: year+ turns out to be ~14 months.

mircea_popescu: indeed.

mircea_popescu: and yes, rsa properly examined did turn out to be a lot more work, and a lot more stacked shit papered over in the imperial usage, than originally thought.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the item is currently plaintext ; i would like to have at least the forms of correctness.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman just about.

mircea_popescu: oh ?

mircea_popescu: does keygen encrypt decrypt ?

mircea_popescu: or just bignum ?

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman looks like the place to drill yeah.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly needed by people trying to compile mac client. not otherwise.

mircea_popescu: and for the freenode curious, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-01.log.html#t21:46:47

mircea_popescu: a wouldja like one ?

mircea_popescu: can't see why not.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile at bubbling butt barn, http://68.media.tumblr.com/54bd9b6437ab46e8c3bcaf3860deda92/tumblr_nqmfwziN3J1r4faido1_1280.jpg