tmsr - Log 2019-09-10

lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935134 << interesting. Looks like it is incorrect in the database itself. So something is either happening on bot snarf side, or on import of dumps side. In any case, bot will be offline for a second while I bring it up in a test channel

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:26 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935128 - yes and probably reader-side ie not bot itself.

lobbes: mmkay. Confirmed: not reader.py nor bot.py at fault. Observe this new line from test chan ate and shat perfectly: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema-lobbes/2019-09-10#1000006

lobbes: I recently had to eat #t lines where index > 1933778 in order to sync, and sure enough here's query where > 1933778 vs < 1933778

BingoBoingo: lol, I expect to see more of these sorts of stories. Especially out of Illinois in the future.

auctionbot: Buy order # 1058 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by bvt for 123mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo

lobbes: alright, I've solved the "action line weirdness mystery". The following paste displays two action lines from different sources: one from the output of the znc2tsmr logconverter, and one from the output of the "raw log" dump: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=k0qz

lobbes: Note how the raw log dump pads the nick on the right with an extra ';' versus the logconverter does not

lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?

BingoBoingo: lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.

BingoBoingo: 7 million people and only a couple dozen licenses with official 6 figure USD price tags. No grow at home without a special medical permit. But with FATCA, KYC/AML/OMGWTFBBQ the whole bribery thing in a place that has seen consecutive governors go to jail... Surely it's under control...

BingoBoingo: It also has some "economic justice" provisions that are supposed to affirmative action some "minority owned" businesses into viability

BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.

lobbes: ha, I didn't even think of that. Those stores are probably the first stop for many aspiring to that industry huh

BingoBoingo: A good tip off is if they fill their truck up repeatedly with "Kellog's garden soil" on Black Friday.

BingoBoingo: Never mind that by volume peat moss and perlite which make a superior potting mix together are cheaper than the dubiously branded and mostly uncomposted wood fiber labeled as "Kellog's garden soil"

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile afaik the closest Official herb shop here is in bmore; but at the same time the exhaust gas is errywhere, from ~erry window in the evening when walking, even out of cars stopped at lights.

asciilifeform: gone are the days when aficionados would stuff towels under doors to conserve the precious smoak

BingoBoingo: Probably more exhaust gas there than here. Kids smoke in front of the mall. They rarely seem to smoke in most of the parks lest the campers ask for a hit to surely be followed by intensifed requests for "una moneda para comer algo"

BingoBoingo: This'll probably change again once it warms up and the Brasileros come out of their holes.

asciilifeform has nfi whether the locals buy from Official shop, or grow 'christmas garden' under uv lamp, or which.

BingoBoingo: The whole "governments balancing their budgets on weed tax revenue" seems a lot like the F-35 steath dilema. As soon as the users can smoke openly there's not much other than their own sloth to keep them from producing. Then supply glut, prices go to the basement, and the gangs find another drug to traffic.

bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935294 << i'll have a look into this problem. this month i'm a bit tight on time for republican work, and already have work in schedule, so i can't promise any deadline, unfortunately.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 20:14:25 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935281 << bvt, would you be able to produce the vpatch? I would, but a) my knowledge of tcp stack / kernels / etc. is pretty much nil and b) I'm gearing up to focus 100% on mircea_popescu's latest mp-wp bot ask if I end up winning this auction.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:53:06 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 16:01:10 diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 20:13:44 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:37:30 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:39:03 BingoBoingo: lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-09 23:56:48 BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935319 << hey, it's what the homo circle's been telling pretty white boys to do. circumcised or not, the dea was "first start business, then figure out legality after you get """financed""".

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935322 << dude... they're ~AFRICAN~. they don't understand what the fuck things ~are~, they can barely summon the mental energy to keep track of what things are called.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:11:09 BingoBoingo: Never mind that by volume peat moss and perlite which make a superior potting mix together are cheaper than the dubiously branded and mostly uncomposted wood fiber labeled as "Kellog's garden soil"

mircea_popescu: shamanic tradition and all that, yes ? what, you think euro ousia-driven inquiries are "fundamental human heritage" ? they're fucking euro.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935325 << well, chiefly because not precious. whole thing's artificial scarcity, on its own weed's cheaper than grain per pound..

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:26:35 asciilifeform: gone are the days when aficionados would stuff towels under doors to conserve the precious smoak

mircea_popescu: and you eat multiple pounds of bread a day, to stay poor. pot's enough even by the oz.

mircea_popescu: whole thing actually matches very well with empire's last days : whole thing is manufactured scarcity, "buy some expensive woodpulp home to smoke some expensive weed in" sounds EXACTLY like the end days blueprint/.

mircea_popescu: none of it would be expensive anywhere else, but the tards are always speshul. and besides --- they want to believe.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 03:08:44 mircea_popescu: "can't commit" "okay..." "why's nothing happening ?" "duh ?" "nofair, should have way around eat+keep cake" "ummkay."

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 00:55:23 BingoBoingo: The whole "governments balancing their budgets on weed tax revenue" seems a lot like the F-35 steath dilema. As soon as the users can smoke openly there's not much other than their own sloth to keep them from producing. Then supply glut, prices go to the basement, and the gangs find another drug to traffic.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 04:55:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935288 << in which we find she'd make a great telemarketer :D

spyked: achtung: I'm doing some maintenance/cleanup work on feedbot as a prelude to upcoming vpatch(es). the bot might go down a coupla times in the meanwhile, but shouldn't lose any feeds

spyked: aaaand this should be all of feedbot's part/join spam for today, ty for bearing with it! also, removed http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933696 from #t's announce list (left a few of them in #s though)

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 13:25:57 mircea_popescu: spyked, wow look at that. okay, so btcalpha, anco.is, esthlos.com can all come off.

spyked: also added a few concurrency optimizations to the bot, they should arrive in the v tree with the next vpatch.

spyked: and in other news: Hunchentoot tree updated with a sbcl distribution. ty diana_coman and bvt for the help!

diana_coman: nice, spyked ; by now it seems to me that the "source code only" is ~always + binaries, when one actually looks at it.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: heathen sores tars do tend to contain astonishing volumes of binliquishit. ( or were you thinking of the thompsonistic trap where 'need gnat to build gnat' etc. , rather ? )

asciilifeform: not even any kind of new plague. mircea_popescu recall how we had to cut a buncha gifs etc outta pre-trb to bake the genesis.

diana_coman: asciilifeform: myeah, not new; just finally realising that it's ~all, not "some" (as naive mind might think when encountering bins in sources for 1st, 2nd , 10th time)

asciilifeform: diana_coman: just about ~all since 2010 or so, per asciilifeform's notes. ( invariably there's a pdf turd passed off as documentation, or jpegs for guism, or in device drivers -- magick init binturds ; etc )

asciilifeform: and then there's the 'stealth' binturds . e.g. linux kernel superficially seems to be 100% text, but in fact there's coupla 100MB of init-turds as hex .h includes , and so on.

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell bvt http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=f8IH

snsabot: Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.

asciilifeform: lobbes: when you have the correct (i.e. both ends) vpatch for this, i'ma test & stand up on my end asap, so 'log-raw' sync worx properly.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935352 << afaik this is so, but the aficionados are picky re particular breeds w/ particular proportions of the oils . ( possibly BingoBoingo knows moar )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 05:08:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935325 << well, chiefly because not precious. whole thing's artificial scarcity, on its own weed's cheaper than grain per pound..

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.

BingoBoingo: The remaining utility of indoor culture outside of police states is largely in seed production via turning select females hermaphrodite to create lots of feminized seeds.

BingoBoingo: The tech's out there and well documented, and the key colloidal silver used to turn the plants sex-weird isn't even something the weed folks make the most noise about.

BingoBoingo: Today there is not any particular place in cannabis production that demands extraordinary costs relative to other agricultural pursuits aside from the elective submission to various fiat sovereigns

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 12:19:26 asciilifeform: not even any kind of new plague. mircea_popescu recall how we had to cut a buncha gifs etc outta pre-trb to bake the genesis.

BingoBoingo: All of the pretense to the contrary is exactly that, pretense. I met n>1 fellows down here trying to "bring California quality" to Uruguay. They all pay the bills with jobs tied to the local economy. Their revenues, as best as I can tell, are in the same league as roadside vegetable stands in the middle of nowhere that use an "honor box" as their payment processor. There is probably more money to be had in wool than weed.

hanbot: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935210 << the yellow submarine cribbing blew my mind, blue meanies and all!

BingoBoingo: The economics of weed strike me as similar to mircea_popescu writing about the history of porn. To the extent weed may have had a golden age, that is long gone. The silver/bronze ages are rapidly closing and the DIY amateur glut is going to crush everywhere it hasn't already crushed.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, supposedly the golden age was back in the day where that deranged dude organised a harem out of the aparently uberabundant cali cunt, to kidnap some people / teach blacks how to rebel.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, 1969. Maybe a second peak in the 80's when the genetics to do closet sized plants hit California.

asciilifeform: hanbot: afaik it was made right after 'submarine', was overtly a riff on subj. ( but based actually on v. f. odoevsky's 1834 short story 'city in the snuffbox' . )

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935381 << one UPDATE posts SET `post_content` = REPLACE(post_content, 'http://minigame.bz', 'http://minigame.biz') WHERE `post_content` LIKE ('%http://minigame.bz%') later all should be good ; please let me know if not.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 13:15:14 diana_coman: asciilifeform: that's the minigame.bz -> minigame.biz thing

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile the ps is here. ( and so is the xy table for the drillings, ~40kg of cast iron ugh in a 20th-c-style wooden coffin )

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935389 << pothead selectivity is cut of exactly the same cloth as telekinesis.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 13:53:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.

mircea_popescu: audiophile can distinguish one sound system from another. pothead can not distinguish pot from pot.

mircea_popescu: actually, i suppose the correct example is "wine snob". yes, anyoen can tell ok wine from piss ; yes particularly talented fellows can actually tell you a lot from a sip. but the vast bulk of neglected aging "careerwomen" getting plastered pretentiously each weekend -- they couldn't tell a pinot from another if poured into milkbottoles first.

mircea_popescu: s/pinot/wharever the fuck's fashionable nowadays after the latest pretentious film offering provincial ustards "worldliness" on the cheap, gewurtztraminer or w/e it is.

BingoBoingo: During the whole hostel stay I don't think I ever saw even the pickiest kiwi substantially distinguish what the smoked beyond relative strength at the extremes. Or visual appearance.