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mircea_popescu: seems within 1% neh ?
asciilifeform: not since i saw http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748279 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 20:37 BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
asciilifeform: err, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748280 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 20:38 jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15300.0, vol: 26432.63469383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15414.0, vol: 141984.24093821 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15475.1, vol: 7657.96024159 | Volume-weighted last average: 15399.5435391
asciilifeform: or the goxes, ah. 16409.02 vs 15899.8 is not 'in 1%'
mircea_popescu: 15300 vs 15414 ?
asciilifeform: it yes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics." << win
mircea_popescu: im vaguely wondering what a 2000 born iowan even makes of a boat pic.
mircea_popescu: all these kids born after the world went to shit. "vhs america" indeed.
asciilifeform: not as if typical 1990s usainmate ever went on boat.
asciilifeform: or 80s, or prior.
mircea_popescu: back before 2001/1990s/bush/etc happened, the remnants of "male culture" were actually headed towards a boaty paradise, i suspect.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> btw i keep resisting but now gotta ask, how big exactly is a 'gangstaroll' ? when i went to ro i was able to pack a coupla kilobux , is all that will comfortably fold in normal human wallet << I packed $20 bills for convenience
mircea_popescu: but then they got deskilled a little and well...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not so smart ; outside of us nobody ever uses anything other than 100s
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform real gangsters use clips. << rubber bands, hence roll
asciilifeform: i distinctly recalled mircea_popescu wrote this, and went through some bother to obtain Troo Benjies
mircea_popescu: argentina had a 5-10% fine for having not-100s.
mircea_popescu: uruguay maybe not. but still, the general idea is... 20s are for inzeks. 100s are for outzeks.
asciilifeform: ro moneychangers waltzed'em through 3 kinds of magical voodoo box, in disbelief, before disgorging orcbux
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> sounds conspicuous-at-airport tho. << for flight were flay stacked in obvious blue vinyl banker's bag
trinque: asciilifeform: what? I spent big chunks of youth idle time with my dad trying to kill me behind a boat.
mircea_popescu: ahaha
asciilifeform: trinque: yer not a typical inmate tho, neh
mircea_popescu: he's a typical texan.
mircea_popescu: not everyone is from the littoral shitholes.
trinque: I guess yeah, texan thing. dad would get drunk all day, try to murder the kids on a tether behind boat.
asciilifeform: from this 1 sentence, for instance, we learn that trinque had a father. my current understanding is that typical usa children do not, they grow up bastards
mircea_popescu: not in texas.
asciilifeform: interesting.
mircea_popescu: in the southwest men will actually pick up (the otherwise very submissive) women with children and parent them anyway.
mircea_popescu: in fact there's a lot of ethnographic and social difference across the "nation" which isn't. that the pantsuit don't know about it... well... they don't know about anything else, either, do they.
mircea_popescu: but for the sake of historical record, the very traditional central european "you may not say no to a man ; and ESPECIALLY not sexually" lands, ie from south carolina south and west as far as maybe eastern arizona, provide slut protection, in that "and if you end up alone with three kids before you're 30 i won't hold that against you".
mircea_popescu: the "feminist misery" as overrepresented in pantsuit media is mostly the result of urban californite reinterpretation of 1800s era boston puritanism. "if you're enjoyable you lose at life". makes for the obese, neurotic, deeplyh unhappy "queers" and whatnots.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the east coast moved to a very mechanicistic "if you can't engineer you're a failed bioexperiment", which makes for a slightly differenty flavour of very unhappy, somewhat overweight neuroticoball.
asciilifeform: lolwat
asciilifeform: where are all of these engineers.
trinque: asciilifeform: none, but they're miserable they aren't
mircea_popescu: hey, europe spent five centuries going "o noes, sin" and where are all the saints.
asciilifeform: and what in usa was engineered, since, idk, reagan's reign
mircea_popescu: the absence of engineers is not germane to this discussion. we're talking sociology here.
mircea_popescu: to put it another way : women will fail at anything they set their mind to. of course they would. that's the point of life on earth, everyone does it, what can you say. ars will stay longa.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the manner in which they recount this failure to themselves varies by place and culture.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not so smart ; outside of us nobody ever uses anything other than 100s << I have yet to see another confirmed gringo here, but the idea with 20's is more of them and single one is an amount suitable for what alf would call "human" transactions.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: course irl you just visit exchanger now and again.
BingoBoingo: The big fear was after the argentard stories being surrounded by poor, stupid folk.
mircea_popescu: how's that playing out ?
BingoBoingo: Most except the destitute I have met so far at least put on airs of "middle class" or "aspiring elite"
BingoBoingo: Much humility here so far.
mircea_popescu: oya
BingoBoingo: Stupidity yet to be determined
BingoBoingo: Have yet to find any stories of unofficial exchange rate out of sync with official one, but given alquilar en pesos y comprar en dollares... seems probable there is one
mircea_popescu: nah. more like historical issue than spot fx.
BingoBoingo: Ah
mircea_popescu: they don't like to save in the local currency of a tiny mismanaged we-produce-nothing "corporation"
mircea_popescu: they prefer a larger one. apparently tbtf is a thing in human cognition.
BingoBoingo: I have yet to meet an Uruguayan who introduced Trump to any conversation.
BingoBoingo: I am at this point very unsure if the Uruguayans view politics as anything other than an operations discussion on how to extract value from stupid Argentine spending.
BingoBoingo: "Come to Montevideo, It's like Buenos Aires but quieter and less shitty"
mircea_popescu: this is entirely possible.
mircea_popescu: they totally own the abortion market, at that.
BingoBoingo: And the banking market
asciilifeform: iirc there was a trilema re 'abortionferry'
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: sails out with full uteri, back -- empties
mircea_popescu: well... very close shaved ones anyway
mircea_popescu: i dun think most people realise how close curetage is to a really bad shave that's 2 layers too close.
asciilifeform: shaved, or perhaps vacuumed ( moar modern ) etc
asciilifeform: iirc in early phase can skip the 'shave'
BingoBoingo: Lol, there's so many ads on the street for hair removal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people dumb enough to get caught in a country which requires ferry trip for disposition rarely make anything like an early phase.
asciilifeform can picture this.
mircea_popescu: plus, for an argentine any expenditure over ~40 cents requires a bank loan.
mircea_popescu: i was standing in a shop to buy a ream of socks and shit, and this dork before me, ENTIRELY in the european academic geddup, including the ugly colors, the jersey, the bag over shoulder etc paid for ONE PAIR worth ~3 bux with a credit card.
BingoBoingo saw one payday lender at mall vs many bill pay offices
mircea_popescu: i was like "aren't you ashamed of yourself" and he pretended like he doesn't know i'm talking to him. EXACTLY like clinton & friends.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly could be 'trying to be american', carries 0 moneys
asciilifeform: over here people nao pay parking meters with cc.
mircea_popescu: if you need someone to lend you money for socks as a 50yo male you really have no excuse to be here.
BingoBoingo: Many of the larger shops offer discounts for card payments, apparently in retail that is a way to recover some VAT
mircea_popescu: and ESPECIALLY don't try the womanly "wisdom" angle. a male that dumb has nothing to impart by the definition of terms.
BingoBoingo: But always on debit cards
asciilifeform: waiwat what wisdom
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo over two bucks ? take 5 more minutes and have to sign shit ? what's the per-transaction risk cost to the card, ie, if your time were free and your pen were free, how much is the maximum card value capped at to make this purchase not a loss ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The retailers offering this are not ones where one easily spends only 2 bucks
mircea_popescu: back when i had (company) cards a decade ago, i used them to cover >1k bills at large wholesalers, not $300 at the restaurant. and EVEN SO it was iffy.
BingoBoingo: It's mostly the higher end looking clothiers and restaurants in Montevideo shopping.
mircea_popescu: because the per-usage cost of fraud upon a credit card is like 1.5-1.8% of its total net value. meaning if your account is worth over 100k lifetime, you can't afford to use a card to pay less than a coupla k's. and if your account is worth LESS than 100k lifetime there's no fucking reason you could possibly have to use a bank for anything.
BingoBoingo: Further from Montevideo Shopping and the WTC, the discount signage disappears
mircea_popescu: ask them for a cash discount, for lulz.
mircea_popescu: i usually get 5-10-15% here.
mircea_popescu: "y... me descuenta por efectivo ?", best magic words ever.
BingoBoingo: So far change for a $20 bill is consistently being rounded in my favor to avoid burdening me with coins.
asciilifeform: in usa, ( at least for plebes and on paper, actual practice is moar complicated ) vendors are saddled with the fraud cost.
mircea_popescu: o, they have pretty cool coins in uruguay iirc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's what you naively think ; but not in practice.
BingoBoingo: The coins are cool, but... they cover 10 pesos on down so that's a lot of metal
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally in the end konsoomer is made to pay, it is rolled into prices.
asciilifeform: however the cc-abstainers get to , here's the beauty, pay the same prices..
mircea_popescu: nevermind the end consumer. look into business owners / middle class experiences, the net is fulla "oh, they have this bank acct they won't let me close that keeps getting dinged by fraudsters and they charge me"
asciilifeform: these yes. hence 'vendors'
mircea_popescu: us bank account is insanity on the face, i was discussing the (at the time still somewhat sane) eurolands.
asciilifeform: they get raped.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, no. as the BUYER.
asciilifeform: right, if yer a corporate acct ( even a microscopic one ) you get the rapestick.
mircea_popescu: well what the fuck, am i going to pay with taxed money ?
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this nonsense.
asciilifeform: in other great-agains , https://archive.is/wbVbJ >> 'Google plans to increase to 10,000 the number of its staffers tasked with tracking down extremist content on YouTube. "We will continue the growth of our teams, with the goal of bringing the total number of people across Google working to address content that might violate our policies to over 10,000 in 2018," YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki told Britain's Daily Telegraph in an intervie ☟︎
asciilifeform: w. Wojcicki said that "bad actors" had used the video-sharing site to "mislead, manipulate, harass or even harm" others.'
mircea_popescu: hey. "generate employment"
mircea_popescu: ~all of the pantsuit only has one economic utility left, and that is to "police" the web for anything deviating from their worldview.
mircea_popescu: as long as fed can keep printing, they'll keep going to "moderation college" for a "moderator career".
BingoBoingo: Well, an empire can't die holding only a single mistake
mod6 reads l0gz
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747850 << no prob! will have the 'Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch Guide' (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html) updated by the end of the weekend. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 11:24 mircea_popescu: mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ?
mod6: BingoBoingo: nice pictures. hope all is well.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << Thanks for posting. I can confirm that diana_coman's vpatch presses fine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GVmx0/?raw=true ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 17:16 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << lol ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 17:16 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
mod6: oops ^
mod6: was actually laughin at this: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748336 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 22:17 mircea_popescu: oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics."
mircea_popescu: mod6 cool deal.
mircea_popescu: http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/erect-the-man-billboard/ << in case anyone was wondering who patreon/gofundme/the rest of silycon valley webscams were ripping off : dick masterson.
mircea_popescu: no, it wasn't an original idea of theirs ; they can't have such a thing.
cazalla: dick masterton cucked poor maddox
cazalla: mircea_popescu, you see maddox trying to sue dick for 20m for saying mean things about him on the net?
mircea_popescu: o hai
mircea_popescu: no ?
mircea_popescu: i thought they were partners or w/e.
cazalla: they were, but maddox became an sjw
mircea_popescu: ahaha when ?!
cazalla: maybe a year or 2 ago now, maddox thought everyone was listening for him, but turned out they were tuning in to hear dick, so maddox went his own way expecting all the patreon bucks to come to him, but only a couple hundred while dick pulling in thousands lol
mircea_popescu: maddox has this very annoying girl voice. nfi what he thought he was doing with vlogging or w/e
mircea_popescu: well, actually, o have an idea : need a lot more material to fill text than video, so every lazy ass is trying to sell his ugly nose pimples in lieu.
cazalla: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=hMc6dSCWjp10863RGL0zWQ==&system=prod
cazalla: poor ol' maddox even went to court telling them dick said bad things about him, his gf, stole his ex-gf and on it goes, funniest thing maddox has ever done to date imo
mircea_popescu: bejaysus, poor fucks suing each other over pennies ?
mircea_popescu: there should be a law that anyone filing suit for under 1mn gets caned instead, and then sold by open outcry.
mod6: ^
mircea_popescu: "6. In 2014, Defendant Herrera was relatively unknown, had a small fan base, few resources, and therefore, being included in Plaintiff’s Podcast represented a huge opportunity for him." ahahaha what the fuck, is he off his rocker ?
mircea_popescu: masterson was prolly larger than maddox mid 2000s.
mircea_popescu: o sweet merciful jesus, "19. The harassment campaign(s) Defendant Herrera, and the other Defendants’, have created, and continue to create, against Plaintiffs’ are appalling, wanton, vindictive, ruthless, and patently repulsive. What’s even more nauseating is that Defendant Herrera, in conjunction with the other Defendants’, have created a thriving business based around their continued harassment campaigns, cyber mob
mircea_popescu: attacks, and threats against Plaintiffs’."
mircea_popescu: landau group, pc actually signed off on this idiocy ?
cazalla: can't remember when i first dick on tv, but he's as old as maddox surely when it comes to the net
cazalla: saw*
mircea_popescu: this is pretty sad.
mircea_popescu shan't be mentioning maddox again, wtf is this misery. ☟︎
cazalla: anyway, before the kids go for the power point and phone again.. i'm off.. nice pics BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: and in other nutterisms, i have the most broken boxes... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pJofF/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: c compiler cannot create executables ffs
mod6: lol
mod6: gcc 6 tho?
ben_vulpes: what how on earth did that get in there
ben_vulpes: that box runs a 4.7, maybe use=bootstrap pulls in a gcc 6?
asciilifeform: dafuq is that ansii colourcontrol code soup doing in yer shell, ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: firstofall.
asciilifeform: i can't evenread this, it makes my eyes water.
asciilifeform: at any rate you gotta ban gcc>4.9 .
asciilifeform: ( put it in the package.mask, per asciilifeform's cookbook. )
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/hey-remember-when-the-internet-didnt-suck/ << Trilema - Hey, remember when the Internet didn't suck ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748600 << ftr i have nfi who either him or the other derp was, and dun think i missed anything by this not knowing. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 04:34 mircea_popescu shan't be mentioning maddox again, wtf is this misery.
mircea_popescu: internet culture.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'threatening the structural integrity of the greater reddit community' ?!
asciilifeform: gold medal.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's build.log
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dumb femspeak (nowadays aka "google employee") for "making it not look like what we want it to"
asciilifeform: !#s gleichschaltung
a111: 1 result for "gleichschaltung", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gleichschaltung
ben_vulpes: also the gcc on the box *is* running a 4.7, gcc-config -l does not list the mentioned six
mod6: what does `which gcc` show?
ben_vulpes: /usr/bin/gcc
ben_vulpes: and gcc --version ... 4.7.3
asciilifeform: looks like it came from gnat2017 tarball ?
ben_vulpes: when run without the bootstrap use flag, gnat-gpl still unpacks a few gcc-6 gzips and bz2s
ben_vulpes: ah shoot that's probably it
asciilifeform: tbh the retardation of gcc5+ dun affect , in any known way, ada -- the rotters rotted c/cpp frontend strictly
asciilifeform: and per the comments in ffa ch1, 2017 actually fixed inlining
asciilifeform: so i refuse to fatwa gnat17.
asciilifeform: but all of my works do and must build on 16 and prior.
ben_vulpes: isn't it defacto fatwad if it won't work with 4.9?
asciilifeform: it is odd that it barfs, oughta live side by side.
asciilifeform: i'ma try it myself this weekend.
asciilifeform not yet personally touched gnat17.
asciilifeform: i test these days on 16-gnu and 16-adacore.
asciilifeform: it is quite depressing that this is even a topic. but there is not, nor have ever been, language where linker etc are standardized along with all else.
asciilifeform: best horse in glue factory.
asciilifeform bbl
ben_vulpes: somehow gcc:4.9.4 blocks gnat-gpl-2016
ben_vulpes: what a mess
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748567 <- thanks for checking it! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 02:56 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << Thanks for posting. I can confirm that diana_coman's vpatch presses fine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GVmx0/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: mod6: tyvm, so far things are well. Still screening companions for trip to the abogado and collecting potential abogado contacts
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> anyway, before the kids go for the power point and phone again.. i'm off.. nice pics BingoBoingo << Glad to see you return
BingoBoingo: !~ticker -market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14814.0, vol: 30626.85827944 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14890.0, vol: 163472.13845571 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14902.0, vol: 6608.24936289 | Volume-weighted last average: 14878.797902
mircea_popescu: CRASHING o noes
mircea_popescu: aand in other lulz : the median age of kiev city is 35 yo for males and 40yo for females.
mircea_popescu: this notwithstanding, men still prefer women 5 years younger.
BingoBoingo: In other news, ethereum is now not metaphorically, but literally a tire fire https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/12/07/1951257/cryptocurrency-miners-are-using-old-tires-to-power-their-rigs
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the shit pantsuits wanna read about...
mircea_popescu: it's like anime otakus but without the sex.
BingoBoingo: What isn't sexual about it. Big black openings burning with desire...
mircea_popescu: this may be erotic, but it isn't sexual. sexual is you know, with sex organs. not with substitutes.
mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.092419 1949t6yHTStJJYesvt8a1S86Dd8dvBzsRo
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/93quL/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in penetration news, http://78.media.tumblr.com/27c879c04479609641d8896b0bfe703b/tumblr_nk3i4ldMsX1u9el6po1_400.gif
BingoBoingo: Well, they are meeting the openings where they are
BingoBoingo: In other withdrawls, valve/steam are quitting Bitcoin over their inability to bring value: "“At this point, it has become untenable to support Bitcoin as a payment option,” Valve concluded. “We may re-evaluate whether Bitcoin makes sense for us and for the Steam community at a later date.”"
asciilifeform: meanwhile, on the hannoboeck planet, https://neopg.io << usg tool marcus brinkmann proclaims 'clean rewrite of gpg' , with fanfare, spamola ( e.g. http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/1 ) , 'modernisms', the full shebang. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty big push in the usg."tech" community to not support bitcoin. fiver dropped it, of all people. and in general, i dun imagine you'll see usgtron support it nativel.
asciilifeform: ( moar lulz , for the expert entomologist, here, http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/08/5 , where d00d expounds re 'weak and strong random', studiously pretends that overflowlang bignum matters, etc. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of derpfunders, https://archive.is/grrrK << 'Patreon lets creators hide the amount of money they are actually making, although the number of patrons is still public. Boruta’s numbers are based on the roughly 80 percent of creators who publicly share what they earn. Of those creators, only 1,393 — 2 percent — make the equivalent of federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, or $1,160 a month, in October 2017'
asciilifeform: ( gotta luvv the 'creators' newspeak )
mircea_popescu: 2% ie, THE RICHEST.
asciilifeform: aaha.
mircea_popescu: 98% make the federal minimum wage in zambia.
asciilifeform: i'ma guess that ~0 live outside reich
asciilifeform: ( i dun think usg coin-operated scamola works outside reich )
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. the word on this whole "usg as understood by pantsuit is powered by "technology" as understood by pantsuit" shebang being http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-literotica/#footnote_2_65745 ; leading to the whole http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/ debacle.
mircea_popescu: in which context, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748557 is not at all coincidental. google isn't worth anything in any proper sense ; but it has a brand, which is now being "monetized" in the classic IAB sense of the term (spamola for the rest of the world). ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 01:15 asciilifeform: in other great-agains , https://archive.is/wbVbJ >> 'Google plans to increase to 10,000 the number of its staffers tasked with tracking down extremist content on YouTube. "We will continue the growth of our teams, with the goal of bringing the total number of people across Google working to address content that might violate our policies to over 10,000 in 2018," YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki told Britain's Daily Telegraph in an intervie
mircea_popescu: ie, the fundamental problem of the worthlessness of ugc is being plumbed by usg at the wrong end : by abusing the power of the state to create imaginary value (a "creator" on etsy/patreon/etc might just be ye olde myspace band worth 0.00 ; but a "moderator" on reddit/youtube/etc is DOING GODS WORK and therefore how do you dare say priest time is worth 0 terrorist!!!)
mircea_popescu: there's a large contingent of useless neets who can be "hired" (job creation! yay!) and who for the past decade had it hammered into them at the thanksgiving table that "why don't you work for google! that's where the smart kids and all the money is! check out their playroom!!!1"
mircea_popescu: so now they DO work for google, in the only sense that matters to the ustard : "being able to say so".
mircea_popescu: "a maximum of impact with a minimum of effort" as far as the usg is concerned : trades in a worthless dead elephant for the continued attention of 10k useless schmucks it for some reason decided to put on the rolls.
mircea_popescu: watching the conclave of imbeciles "resolve" their "problems" as they understand and formulate them is the highest form of entertainment available under the sun.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "a maximum of impact with a minimum of effort" as far as the usg is concerned : trades in a worthless dead elephant for the continued attention of 10k useless schmucks it for some reason decided to put on the rolls. << From what I understand when Google hires the 10's of thousands in batches they do so through "Manpower" and other contract work agencies for nominally 12-15 usd/hr (usually less than $fedminwage
BingoBoingo: effectively due to shittiness of moderation system). That is unless the news is Google is taking the contractors on as direct hires
mircea_popescu: i expect they want to turn as many of their cogs as possible with it. so yes, hired through manpower, mandatory-complimentary "id protection" from equifucks and so on.
BingoBoingo: AHA, but yeah. Historically google had done this quietly. Then sometime earlier this year a pansuit rag did "expose" on practice which simply removed google's shame about the whole thing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dunno if you knew , but actual-work-doing ( yes there is some prolly even today ) arms of usg, hire exactly like-so : through contract peonage agencies
asciilifeform: everybody from 95% or so of r&d, to mop men, to guards, same thing
asciilifeform: long ago asciilifeform worked on just such a contract, for many years.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha, back home near airforce base the sort was met all the time. USG.mil desk veteran hired and rented to usg.
asciilifeform: if u.s. army can do it -- why not google et al.
asciilifeform: theoretically crippled veterans etc got preferential dibs on the 'green' ( the card thing that opens doors and logs into winblowz, is differentially coloured for different types of slave ) jobs. (dod contractor 'purple')
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : archive.is uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted.
asciilifeform: lol!! gotta wonder wtf the thing is doing with sslolade, crapflare, etc
mircea_popescu: ikr.
asciilifeform: what's the even nominal justification. it's a public toilet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the verification fails "for unknown reasons" tho, and it's at least nominally a comodo issued item
mircea_popescu still lulz at how these "certificates" srtill include md5.
mircea_popescu: $item, if anyone gives the slightest shit : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9YaRs/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-new-and-improved-republican-glossaurus/ << updated, for great justice. comments welcome.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, if 'null crypt' ( make noises, exhaust gasses, but dun actually do any crypto ) remains a valid mode in 100% of usgcryptocrapolade -- why not also md5.
asciilifeform: cryptoplacebo.
asciilifeform: !#s null cipher
a111: 10 results for "null cipher", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=null%20cipher
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: in other shit you'll never believe, ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica because "prefers milder climates". "20 is too hot for her"! ☟︎
asciilifeform: aaactually i can picture.
mircea_popescu: apparently there was a glaciation in europe while i was not paying attention.
BingoBoingo: lol, Montevideo too hot as well?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really ? how ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform for instance likes cold.
mircea_popescu: so you don't consider the standard human temperature mild thereby ?
asciilifeform: what means 'standard human temp' ? 36.6 ? if mircea_popescu walked into a room at 36.6 he would say 'sauna', betcha
asciilifeform: so can't be that. then which.
mircea_popescu: no. the technological standard for "temperature in a human habitat" is 20.5
asciilifeform: 'stp' ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: just like the technological standard for "water spout in human habitat" is > 1galon/day
asciilifeform: stp Officially is 0C, lel
mircea_popescu: and so following. human life is not this novel and fascinating item. war planners have been circumscribing it for a century+.
BingoBoingo working on adjusting to temperatures in human units
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you meant "at standard pressure" ie as opposed to who knows what arcana you had in mind.
asciilifeform: room temp is very muchly a subject of taste, neh
mircea_popescu: !~google 20.5 celsius to farenheit.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 20.5 C in Fahrenheit - CoolConversion .com: <http://coolconversion.com/temperature/20.5-C-to-Fahrenheit>; 20.5 degrees C to Fahrenheit - Celsius to Fahrenheit: <http://celsiusfahrenheit.co/20.5-degrees-C-to-Fahrenheit-20.5>; 20.5 celsius to fahrenheit: <https://convertsumo.com/20-5-celsius-to-fahrenheit/>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not more than average human height is.
mircea_popescu: that you prefer x or y has no bearing on how human femur has been the same length since before the notion of preference was invented.
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck google you're useless already.
asciilifeform: for all we know the 2 are not unrelated, and the pygmies shrunk from lack of wholesome, medicinal frosts.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile there's a reason the population of eskimo lands was a) never large and b) always selected for suckitude.
mircea_popescu: what's this, chucka worship now ?
asciilifeform: dunno, is mircea_popescu's 'chix ~must~ be 2m tall' swede-worship ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> !~google 20.5 celsius to farenheit. << ~68-69
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: subjectively folx tend to 'feel' climate not as the avg. temps, but the extremes, i suspect
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> meanwhile there's a reason the population of eskimo lands was a) never large and b) always selected for suckitude. << Lack of healthful medicinal sweat. Essentially homosapiens are a sort of cabbage, need a bit of frost but also time not froze.
mircea_popescu: well tell you what, ukraine does 40 degrees.
mircea_popescu: costa rica never yet managed such a wonder.
mircea_popescu: the fucking definition of mild is "interval of five degrees centered on human ideal". as opposed to "SIXTY degrees intervals centered on fuck your mother, we hate you."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform had a relative recently go to the ruins of the old world, and came back with photos of korean air conditioners installed on ~every wall. no such item existed even in early post-sov 1990s, and not strictly from the cost.
asciilifeform: tho i suspect not 'warmer air currents', but americanization, 'eww, sweating' etc
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see an ac unit here.
mircea_popescu: well, cars have them,. but then again cars go to teh beach.
asciilifeform: yer ac is the lift that goes up to the mountain neh.
asciilifeform: to castle mircea_popescustein.
mircea_popescu: whole sj valley is blessed with altitude-mediated mildness.
asciilifeform: neato.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well tell you what, ukraine does 40 degrees. << Perils of being far from an ocean
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15640.0, vol: 30990.52019675 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15536.0, vol: 162872.74068345 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15580.0, vol: 6336.08776268 | Volume-weighted last average: 15553.4915752
BingoBoingo: Ah, the new normal. I move to South America and suddenly neither the current USD price not its all time low vs Bitcoin are certain
asciilifeform: for some reason the beautiful equatorial mild valley bananistans, never grew anything in the way of interesting ~people~ ☟︎
asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Well, lack of persistent stresses
BingoBoingo: Sure some acute stresses like hurricaines and volcanos, but nothing like the certainty of winter coming and you get ready or starve
asciilifeform: shit-climate where agriculture is completely impossible -- chukchaizes, sure.
asciilifeform: but to return upstack to thread -- i can easily picture folx who dun want to move to where there are no seasons.
asciilifeform: and dun see it as unreasonable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu you never liked seasons ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't dispute that part. sure, necessity is the mother of invention, a proper beating whenever needed the cornerstone of domestic bliss, and so following.
mircea_popescu: but this doesn't make beatings tenderness nor the howling winds of the frozen praries mildness.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i like seasons ok, but the thing with this particular spot is that it's ~perpetual spring.
mircea_popescu: which is pretty much the only way one can ever be prevailed upon to trade seasons in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu often writes about the degenerately slothful italians. why do you suppose they are so ? could be the 3 harvests they get ?
asciilifeform has never lived in a perpetual spring. but pictures, possibly naively, that if he were to, would have to take occasional break and go on trip to the arctic, say. just for contrast.
asciilifeform: otherwise -- habituation, addiction, 'luxury ratchet' as in the old mircea_popescu article re chix with caviar
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing to forbid winter or anything.
asciilifeform: speaking strictly in re 'why would ukr not dream of moving to tropical gardenofeden'
mircea_popescu: moving wasn't on the table.
asciilifeform: then nfi.
asciilifeform: i read 'ukr chickie dun wanna costa rica' as 'import pet', possibly.
mircea_popescu: nah. you know how most people do "one night stands" whereby they meet some chick in the evening and are out of her dorm by noon next day ?
mircea_popescu: my implementation involves jet flight and goes for a week at a time, but otherwise...
mircea_popescu: call it an extended photo shoot, why not.
asciilifeform: right, but 'do the squirrels know' ? ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579087 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 15:31 asciilifeform: 'what do you think is happening'
mircea_popescu: how would i go about knowing what squirrels know ? i am not a squirrel myself.
asciilifeform: possibly the chix see themselves as candidates for perma-move, and evaluate under it.
asciilifeform: hence the 'i wouldn't want to lose seasons' thing.
mircea_popescu: well... i never heard of anyone turning down night at the movies because it'd be uncomfortable to live in the movie hall. but who even knows.
asciilifeform: just like when plebes invite'em overnight, they see 'marriage candidacy' etc.
mircea_popescu: seems a little far fetched.
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting together the material for a reshoot of ye olde http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ ; in which sense your garden of eden reference is quite lulzily apt.
asciilifeform: lol neato.
mircea_popescu: (no, not gonna publish the results. i'm like the world's only and thereby also foremost private pornographer.)
asciilifeform: dunno, seems quite popular hobby
asciilifeform: iirc even today 19th c. era 'private porns' regularly turn up in attics.
asciilifeform: probably goes back to daguerre, and if you count hand-drawns -- to cave man.
BingoBoingo: In other news yesterday's 7 argentine roommates were replaced by a smaller crowd of Brazilians
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: equally invisible as the 7 ?
BingoBoingo: So far two distinct types of Brazilians have been observed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: more visible
BingoBoingo: 1. Speaks spanish with the clearest accent possible 2. Terrified of Spanish, vastly prefers English language
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But less of them.
asciilifeform: lol BingoBoingo type1 sounds like yer personal nsa stoolie attache
BingoBoingo: After retiring from la oficina last night mananged to socialize a bit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, 1 is not found in useful contexts for that
BingoBoingo: I suspect the clarity of the Brazilian spanish accent is related to my own previous aural experience. When I studied a bit of portugues the accent was far easier for me to produce myself.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but matter of quality.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says his personal pr0n is of high quality -- why should i not believe.
asciilifeform: and there's nothing outrageous or even remarkable about not publishing something, asciilifeform dun publish and dun intend to 99.999..% of his various attempts, folx routinely make cake of arbitrarily good quality to eat by themselves, whatever.
asciilifeform: it wouldn't surprise me, for instance, if one day mircea_popescu said that he made fine shotguns, but only hunted with'em himself. mendeleev made... suitcases. etc.
mircea_popescu: tru
BingoBoingo: ?me contemplating taking up leather craft as a hobby in ~1-3 years if still here and business goes well in a way that allows some time for hobbying
BingoBoingo: for the reason of better (for me) luggage and all
kjj: mircea_popescu: did you get my message earlier? My router crashed shortly after I sent it, so if you replied I didn't see it
kjj: well, technically, the UPS my router is plugged into shut down because it thinks it has a bad battery, but the end result is the same
mircea_popescu: what message be that ?
kjj: I had put in another request on mpex a little more than 2 days ago
mircea_popescu: aha ?
kjj: I take it there isn't much activity on that site these days
mircea_popescu: yes, you keep taking that.
mircea_popescu: now, do you have a stat showing you are in fact liquid for the amt ?
kjj: yup
mircea_popescu: lessee.
kjj: https://pastebin.com/raw/80pSQT3b
mircea_popescu: am i supposed to decrypt with your own key ?
mircea_popescu: also use http://p.bvulpes.com/ for pastes please.
kjj: hmm. thought I encrypted it with your key
mircea_popescu: !!key mircea_popescu
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.asc
kjj: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Xit0m/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: "Wednesday the 6th of December 2017" << do you have one from prior to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743331 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 14:20 mircea_popescu: kjj http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iNoOh/?raw=true
kjj: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QWNd3/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: am i supposed to decrypt with your own key ?
kjj: grr. sec
kjj: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KO2AY/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: heh look at that, payment tx got stuck.
mircea_popescu: kjj sorry for the inconvenience, you should have it presently.
kjj: ok. thanks
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15190.03, vol: 29568.44845415 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14914.15539186, vol: 149771.95652829 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15390.3, vol: 5975.35499307 | Volume-weighted last average: 14973.5260422
trinque: damn it kanzure, call back the solar shield. it snowed last night in houston.
mircea_popescu: is this part of the ongoing global warming ?
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2026 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 2: Logical and Bitwise Operations.
BingoBoingo: Milestones, first chivitos 14:14 GMT -3
asciilifeform: wassat
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Local steak sandwich with egg. Mistakely ordered two
BingoBoingo also dropped la ropa off at la lavadora
mircea_popescu: ands in other lulz, every time there's a major usd devaluation event, a new crop of http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/ "joins" in the sense of "flips a bit inside own head from self-importantly ''ignoring'' bitcoin to just as self-importantly ''being involved'' in bitcoin, as if either bit state or the act of flipping can possibly matter in any manner" and then set to "fixing" their manifest inadequac
mircea_popescu: ies (as perceived by themselves, which is to say, ''bitcoin problems'') through the SAME EXACT recipebook of nonsense.
mircea_popescu: "going to regulate" it, check that out, as if anyone asked the dumb sons of a whore anything.
BingoBoingo: Well they weren't asked and can't imagine being unwanted, so they derpity herpalurp
BingoBoingo: Until they are finally asked... to shut up
ben_vulpes: relatit: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-08/cohn-downplays-bitcoin-risks-as-white-house-eyes-evolving-market
asciilifeform: 'Cryptocurrency’s rise not a serious risk, Trump adviser says' << lol!! ☟︎
asciilifeform: [Global Notice] Hi all, we will be migrating services (NickServ, ChanServ and friends) to a new server in roughly half an hour. << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702605 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 17:51 asciilifeform picture kgb d00d putting down cut wire in tap box to take smoke break
BingoBoingo: !~later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously wtf are you still doing in KKKalifornia. ☟︎
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: oh hey i wonder if he's got gangrene yet
asciilifeform: ( and if not -- why not )
BingoBoingo: It's been a surprisingly long while. Stimulants and wound healing typically don't play well together
asciilifeform: even more oddly so then, neh
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748848 << they'd fucking better. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 20:13 asciilifeform: 'Cryptocurrency’s rise not a serious risk, Trump adviser says' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: opposite tack worked poorly for ph.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748851 << lol look who's suddenly discovered the great outdoors. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 20:19 BingoBoingo: !~later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously wtf are you still doing in KKKalifornia.
mircea_popescu: most zeks never leave "the country" aka zone, bb. it's WHY the zone even exists.
asciilifeform: i laughed the first time, years ago , when i first read mircea_popescu said this on trilema; but since then met whole horde of usa folx who never even had a загранпаспорт
asciilifeform: and 'what, go where'
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: part of it i suspect is the feeling of futility, they know that the usian reservation is waiting for'em wherever they go
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, I'd never left. So far I am noticing most prices here, where shit apparently happens in Uruguay only moderately lower than rural middle west yet... Quality of everything except door hardware vastly better in most respects
asciilifeform: ( in the places to which they'd even contemplate, that is, going )
mircea_popescu: the "feeling of futility" is notable part of arsenal of self-imbecility, of course.
BingoBoingo met first other gringo here last night at hostel
BingoBoingo: ~41 hours after plane touched down
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to update patchviewer with ch2 at your earliest convenience ☟︎
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat's wrong with the door ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in horseplay, http://78.media.tumblr.com/6c9529da59bd0faed7a0c9032ee3f739/tumblr_nbp4rldRnp1sprsjzo1_500.gif
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most doors everywhere here tend to stick, latching mechanism last greased insufficiently and too far in the past
BingoBoingo: Similarly toilet seats are uniformly lightweight molded particle board painted white.
BingoBoingo: And the sinks while uniformly shiny often are showing early signs of valve failure.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so far this matches the description of typical flat in usa
asciilifeform: ( at least east usa )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In middle west toilet seats usually molded lightweight plastic resin, and sinks/doors tend to be more routinely maintained
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've even seen actual wood .
asciilifeform: in the oldest houses, strictly.
mircea_popescu: wood is not really all that great for this application.
BingoBoingo: I have seen actual wood in US, usually homes of older people whether house is young or old
asciilifeform: laquered, naturally. and why not ? good insulator
mircea_popescu: eh, the sort of wood that doesn't work, like used for eg eastern iconography, is kinda expensive.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, can anyone recount teh helter-skelter charlie mason scenario of risk, the game of world-diplomacy and international intrigue ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: because it's one funny yarn.
asciilifeform: !#s intrigue game
a111: 10 results for "intrigue game", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=intrigue%20game
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: it's apparently a phrase, but i only know it from mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: you know what risk is ?
asciilifeform: philosophically..?
mircea_popescu: nah, there's this tabletop game from the 80s, before esltards could engage in "reasoned commentary" on the interwebs
asciilifeform: parchesi ?
mircea_popescu: they did the same thing with little plastic figurines. "the nation of africa".
asciilifeform: dice game, with back-and-forth motion, it ?
mircea_popescu: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91jJWHkkA1L._SL1500_.jpg <this thing
asciilifeform: pretty sure i saw this. there was also a more interesting variant with bluffing and under-the-table note-passing deals etc.
asciilifeform: a yea saw.
asciilifeform: dun tell me this is played outside of 3rd grade tho
asciilifeform at this point ready to expect just about any infantilism from 'games world'
mircea_popescu: of course it is. 100% of "discussing" "events" "news" and "politics" is this. what else is orlov, moldbug, wha have you ?
mircea_popescu: this and this only, from al-jazeera to cnn. what else ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. so there's two relevant episodes of seinfeld. in one, the resident imbeciles (the fat lazy one, postman, and the hipster doofus) engage in a VERY IMPORTANT game of nothing in particular. in the other, elaine's tasked to review a book about this cockeyed optimist.
asciilifeform: i dare say that dice players have a more accurate picture of reality than typical orlolist
mircea_popescu: they melded together, because they're such a grandiose summation of the "Achievements" of common postmodern man.
mircea_popescu: in other news : if you run a piece of shit firefox on a dirty box somewhere, and if you never upgraded it as you don't intend to upgrade it ; and if the ever-creeping idiocy of the world puts you in this situaiton where various ssl-"protected" sites are no longer loading :
mircea_popescu: about:config, search for browser.ssl_override_behavior and set it to 1, which entirely disables the pretense of "security" in https.
asciilifeform: ooh neato
mircea_popescu: yw
asciilifeform: ^ prolly oughta go in the cuntoo-cookbook, in fact
mircea_popescu: they'll prolly going to "fix" it now that it's in the open.
asciilifeform: let'em 'fix' whatever they want in ~their~ tar.gz of failurefox
mircea_popescu: if only. but the way their idiocy works, they'll just i dunno, refuse to deliver pages spuriously because your browser doesn't sing "hail hilarity" in the right order.
asciilifeform: pretty soon, actually. iirc google et al had a 'replacement for html' in the works, with various novel idiocies baked in
asciilifeform: at some point one will need a sort of proxy simply to read heathenwww on anything like human os/iron ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 10`000 idle http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=criminology experts included, i hope ?
asciilifeform: presumably.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the topic upstream :
mircea_popescu: the manson apocalypse goes as follows : 1. he makes a really happenin' record. 2. all the she-sluts of california swarm him. 3. all the black dudes who used to fuck these bunnies get really pissed off upon coming home and discovering the cumdumpster's ran off. 4. so pissed off they get, they riot and burn down some of the white man's shit.
mircea_popescu: 5. the white man gets really fucking pissy about it, and like, does really mean things to the blacks. 6. the ~millitant~ black secret police uses this to provove a war between the "racist" and "non-racist" whites, which are conveniently dumb and also evenly matched.
mircea_popescu: 6. everyone dies ; but!!! meanwhile manson was like underground with all the sluts from 2 ; 7. they come back out, kill the like three white people left ; 8. the black dudes discover they suck anyway, and joyously submit (to, literally, balin' cotton.)
asciilifeform: iirc robert heinlein had this.
mircea_popescu: this would be why allowing the lower classes outside of the whip-and-yoke combo is a bad idea.
asciilifeform: !~google farnham's freehold
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Farnham's Freehold - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnham%2527s_Freehold>; Farnham's Freehold : Robert A. Heinlein: 9780671722067: Amazon ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Farnhams-Freehold-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0671722069>; Farnham's Freehold by Robert A. Heinlein - Goodreads: <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50840.Farnham_s_Freehold>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when was this ?
asciilifeform: old...
asciilifeform: 1960s
mircea_popescu: well yes but 1962 or 1969 ?
asciilifeform: 62.
mircea_popescu: the manson theory is he lifted it from the beatles. but...
asciilifeform: 1964. apparently.
asciilifeform: http://www.troynovant.com/Stoddard/Heinlein/Farnhams-Freehold.html << oblig modern pantsuit butthurt re ancient b00k.
mircea_popescu: man, remember the times a hugo meant somenthing ?
asciilifeform: looong ago.
asciilifeform: ( today it is given to approx. 'blackest, femalest, queerest' etc victimolympiad medalist )
mircea_popescu: well the fact that the whole thing is ten anon schmucks in a foodcourt somewhere dun help any.
asciilifeform: ~900 anon schmucks
asciilifeform: in a... but who cares
mircea_popescu: i would be surprised if they can get enough people together to interest a cheap restaurant.
asciilifeform: !~google worldcon
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Worldcon | The World Science Fiction Convention: <http://www.worldcon.org/>; Worldcon - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldcon>; The World Science Fiction Society | Worldcon and the Hugo Awards: <http://www.wsfs.org/>
asciilifeform: subj.
mircea_popescu: yaya.
mircea_popescu: according to google, all the pantsuitisms are HUGE
mircea_popescu: irl, there's a long abandoned locked door.
asciilifeform: these are what mircea_popescu calls 'rubber chicken feasts', massive at least in body count
asciilifeform: if not in any other substance, loud, public.
mircea_popescu: these are what argentines call "night clubs". "massive" except NOT TODAY. nor any other day. they happen, sometime, somewhere, for sure. but not ever actually.
mircea_popescu: prior to 4am "the night life hasn't started yet". at 3:45, you know, "oh, there's nobody here because NOT STARTED YET". then at 4am "come back next time".
asciilifeform never been to 'worldcon'. but even the nearest imitation , in baltimore, md, typically has a few thou .
mircea_popescu: of which 0.what % even know what the fuck is there ?
mircea_popescu: mall, also has a few thou. they just walked in to get out of the rain.
asciilifeform: why they are there, is a quite orthogonal q, and not an easy one.
mircea_popescu: if one day that self-same mall that gets coupla thou each day puts up "world con!11" posters doesn't mean they're conning anyone.
mircea_popescu: much like if hillary stands her pantsuit on a rock and gestures wildly, she's not making the sun come out "from hiding"
asciilifeform: really it is not difficult to find a few thou idjits to sell tickets to. witness the 'seekoority' cons, with 10s of thou warm bodies, coupla hundy ea.
mircea_popescu: there;s a humongous difference between crowd driving and crowd following. which is why cowboys (traditional herd drivers) think very little of shephers (traditional herd followers)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a corp racket. they're disguised pep rallies.
mircea_popescu: "oh you don't want to talk to our ''consultants'' ? what ifwe pretended this isn't happening at work ?!?!"
asciilifeform: the 1 asciilifeform was sent to, few yrs ago, was even worse than this.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, major distinction between burning man style things, catering mostly to the unemployed hipstger crowd, and the buzzword things, catering mostly to the castrated yuppy crowd.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-18#1375488 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-18 18:36 ascii_butugychag: on account of that schmuck at shmoocon who was peddling a group-theoretical crypto algo, quasi-proprietary and patentalicious, that was more or less stolen verbatim from maslennikov's book...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-16#1372921 << +. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-16 18:53 ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point being, there is also a castrated employed hipster crowd, and every other combinatoric arrangement of these also.
mircea_popescu: see also http://thewhet.net/2016/12/argentina-comicon-bonbon/
asciilifeform read it
mircea_popescu: the age of cons etc is well past.
asciilifeform: i cannot answer whether they're a ~profitable~ racket in usa. but they ~are~ well-attended.
asciilifeform: certainly not the picture with 'old rusty door'.
mircea_popescu: they are not a thing though. airport bathrooms also well attended, and yet no glory holes counterculture.
mircea_popescu: which was the point : remember when a hugo meant something.
asciilifeform: and meanwhile yet another 'last 7 yrs!111' led lamp sputters, dies, in asciilifeform's machineroom.
asciilifeform: installed in... july
mircea_popescu: why do you keep buying them ?
asciilifeform: heat
mircea_popescu: i have incandescents here, 50 or so lamps, didn't yet have to change one
mircea_popescu: ah
asciilifeform: i'd pay easily a few hundy, say, for a good one. but it's a mythical beast.
asciilifeform: really oughta put in fluorescent tubes, but asciilifeform spent too much already for 1 lifetime under fluorescents.
asciilifeform brb.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the spam traps, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Q6GK4/?raw=true
asciilifeform: 'Please invest responsibly'
mircea_popescu: lol coinbase pretending like anyone using them ? THATS NEW!11
asciilifeform: lulzy tho, 'expect goxlag!'
asciilifeform: fwiw i bought a coin there once to see what would happen. ( but earlier i also did this at... mtgox . worked there also! )
asciilifeform: it did!11
mircea_popescu: hastawork sometimes