knubie: night all.
esthlos is interested in what folks think of https://isocpp.org/wiki/faq/big-picture#biz-dominates-tech
ben_vulpes: certainly suspect in that nowhere does it mention the supreme import of writing code *to be read*
ben_vulpes: also the notion that technical issues aren't business issues simply points to the coolie-nature of the typical cpp slave likely to read such pap. certainly not the case where i'm concerned; the quality of code and systems delivered and maintained are of the *utmost* concern to the biz.
ben_vulpes: !#s if you're reading it it's for you
a111: 11 results for "if you're reading it it's for you", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=if%20you%27re%20reading%20it%20it%27s%20for%20you
esthlos: I was wondering what happens if you replace "software development" with "physics", and see it that way.
esthlos: but could counter with: proper replacement is "engineering"
ben_vulpes: well if you ship machines with a screamingly loud resonance because you took the pressure-hood's line feed directly off the air bearings feed lines without damping reservoirs most likely your office will never be tasked with anything other than sustaining work ever again
ben_vulpes: which is the opposite of the cppmeatfield where a thing going over budget and timeline simply results in bigger budgets and longer timelines
ben_vulpes: because software is a
ben_vulpes: !#s lemon market
a111: 16 results for "lemon market", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lemon%20market
esthlos: yep, that sounds right
ben_vulpes: btw mircea_popescu: any lolz ever fall out of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767245 or did it fade away in horror at the magnitude of the task of even determining wtf tmsr is☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 18:32 Swant: Because from what some other users have told me it's for buying and selling porn...
ben_vulpes: 'it' btw useful pronoun for wot nonpeople
shinohai: Careful ben_vulpes, you might trigger it
phf: "lord vulpes, drunk with power, shooting the coolies from the back of his veranda" engraving, ca 2017
shinohai: lol
phf: the esteemed gentelman of the Inquisition is still with us, and, at present, is retired
ben_vulpes: oh i'm well aware!
shinohai: From today's trilema update "Bear in mind that it is deemed unethical within the Republic to write code if you haven't actually learned how to write it first, and that orcs' claims to have taught you something often turn out fraudulent upon examination."
ben_vulpes: phf: sadly all i have is a porch roof, bb gun, and alley full of squirrels and the occasional methwitch
ben_vulpes: shinohai: where is this?
shinohai: http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#selection-155.2-159.18
ben_vulpes: aah
phf: besides it's only legal to discharge arms within portland city limit if you're participating in some sort of non-marijuana drug related activity
ben_vulpes: you have to be a velo, actually
ben_vulpes: brandishing deemed legitimate self-defense if you can unholster without falling over
phf: huh, the world is a large and complicated place
ben_vulpes: casual violence against sharing-economy cucks also encouraged
mircea_popescu: phf iirc naggum was very anti-mule
phf: right, anti-mule, pro-unicode
mircea_popescu: well, it's not clear to me his position was ever pro-unicode outside of a platonic object unicode was about as much as smgl was.
mircea_popescu: "computers should do things" "yaaay" "here's the things" "OMFGWTFBBQ"
mircea_popescu: anyway, jwz's own history, self-serving as it is, nevertheless seems accurate to me : mule is what was left once all the inept
mircea_popescu: nihongo they could figure out how to amputate was snipped.
phf: right, platonic unicode, i think it was more aligned even with common lisp's notion of character object or somesuch, than what the spec actually become. i think he might've ranted somewhere about ms fucking it up and such
mircea_popescu: right, basically his internal, sadly unvoiced position was "oh, unicode is what you kids wanna call native lisp character model ? mmkay, i r agree"
phf: hah, you know that might be the gift of his delusion
phf: err gist
mircea_popescu: jesus that phrase came out hard to parse. let's parens : (well, (it's not clear to me ((his position) was ((ever pro-unicode) (outside of a (platonic object (unicode (was about as much (as smgl was)))))
phf: you calling me esl!
mircea_popescu: phf which is the fucking problem with the sort of mind. by avoiding to correctly order output (ie, most significant byte first!!) and ESPECIALLY by failing to correctly filter output (least controversial part is filtered, least copacetic part is passed, NOT the other way around!!!) is what mires technical discussions altogether.
mircea_popescu: phf not you, but future me. i will be senile one day, in 2075, and i might need to read this.
phf: i think somehow lisp symbols tie into this, i'd call it sanskrit thinking, because you also see that a lot in sanskrit. let's attach as much meaning to this symbol as we possibly can, but when we speak the correct meaning will be communicated because the other person is also a vedic god
mircea_popescu: anyway, speaking of roman numeral systems, the dumbest thing about writing is that , doesn't come with a symmetric-comma.
mircea_popescu: NOT EVEN UNICODE HAS IT. i looked.
mircea_popescu: phf in principle and up to a certain degree this can be pulled off. but the management of that degree tree is i'd say the principal job of cultural management. because holy shit the failure modes.
phf: so he might be saying ishvara, but the pleb is going to hear yahve. he should be expecting significant misunderstandings further down the communication
mircea_popescu: have you noticed how chock full of this trilema is btw ?
mircea_popescu: if i say jew right now it's not even possible to figure out what i mean.
asciilifeform: oblig alt-orccode: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689141☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 21:11 asciilifeform: at the cost of a bit of log clutter, let's indulge asciilifeform's crackpottery, and lay out 妓 ( U+5993 : whore ) :
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768091 << seems to me entirely contenfree.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 00:23 esthlos is interested in what folks think of https://isocpp.org/wiki/faq/big-picture#biz-dominates-tech
phf: Send Trump there with a one-way ticket?
phf: err, that was wrong paste buffer
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768140 << this was the 'natural stupidity and artificial intelligence' thread☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 01:13 phf: so he might be saying ishvara, but the pleb is going to hear yahve. he should be expecting significant misunderstandings further down the communication
asciilifeform: with the 'suggestively named tokens'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the doctrine that "alternative interpretations fall off as the tree is built" has two major weaknesses : a) you'd be surprised how often there's an unexpected fault in the dielectric and b) you'd be surprised how often people get caught in emo insanity.
asciilifeform: plox to expand?
mircea_popescu: let's formalize.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have a set of symbols S1..Sn each with meanings Mij, i in n j in k. suppose you have a grammar G which has one function : if adding element Sx to a string made of q S, it permits you to discern which Sij are thereby invalidated.
mircea_popescu: the interpretative theory (T) states that for all possible strings there is at most one M per present S. those which have exactly 1 for all S are called well formed ; the rest malformed.
mircea_popescu: the PROBLEM with this constructive view of hermeneutics is that a) often G fails in its function and that b) just as often people fail to correctly apply it, impredictably and unreasonably.
mircea_popescu: "cultural management" discussed above is in this model the curation of permissible M overload on given Sn and the construction of G such that T is maintained.
mircea_popescu: a very strong ideal property of this is given in http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#selection-245.1-238.5 ; which is a large part of the problem and also serves as illustration -- who the fuck knew that random whore story from 2014 is actually an expose on generative grammar.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> if mod6 came by all nonchalant like and was "hey, i shot a 350 lb shrimp today" what i;d expect the steak to taste like would be ~alligator. << yeah, probably would!
mod6: <+shinohai> mod6 would be proud of me, I managed a pair of quail the other weekend when it snowed. << niiiiice!
mircea_popescu: (in the story it's just used to characterize the male character as omnipotent ; but as literature is never divorced from ideology...)
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah i hope he lemon-buttered those with artichokes.
mod6: i went hunting on sunday and the dog flushed up what I thought was a hen. was a hawk, eating a hen!
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, yeah, that'd be great
mircea_popescu: o god. did you actuasllyu shoot it ?
mod6: na. i saw it get up, had it in my sight picture, could have pounded it. was only like 10 yds from me. but when i saw the tail feathers fan out, i let off.
mod6: can't shoot those here.
shinohai: I did lemon-butter them, asparagus, no artichokes :/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768104 << nfi, not been following that closely.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 00:39 ben_vulpes: btw mircea_popescu: any lolz ever fall out of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767245 or did it fade away in horror at the magnitude of the task of even determining wtf tmsr is
mod6: but yah, anyway, was pretty unreal. haha.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah, they were protected in old country most places also, it was the #1 trimmer of noob hunters. "don't wait to see what you're shooting, get a falcon, spend 2 weekls explaining self to forest guard"
mircea_popescu: well, the not retarded ones, anyway. the retarded ones'd just shoot their own dog or w/e.
mircea_popescu: shinohai works!
mod6: mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu knew hunt dog grower who wouldn't even sell to noobs. "how am i supposed to get a dog ?" "first get some experience" "doing what" "hunting" "how am i going to do that without a dog ?"
mircea_popescu: well... get married i guess ?!
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: "it's not fair!!!" "yeah, but at least it's safe."
mod6: yeah, no sense in letting a good dog go to waste
mircea_popescu: well, especially with small shot, it's a mess. just takes nine weeks to die or some unseemly shit like that.
mircea_popescu: admittedly back then veterinarian surgeons were a lot less common.
phf: now if only they applied same principles to dog sales as well
mod6: ugh, yeah. i'd just put it down/shoot it if it was suffering.
phf: *in general rather
mircea_popescu: phf this was ah.
mircea_popescu: you think this, go visit argentina then see.
mircea_popescu: i think it's where dogs go to hell.
shinohai: Nah that's Asia
shinohai: >.<
mircea_popescu: mebbe
shinohai wonders what the oriental fascination with torching dogs alive is ....
mircea_popescu: i dunno that's oriental.
phf: oh yeah india was pretty bad, there they don't have any use for dogs. though cats there fair even worse
phf: on the lulzy side i can't get over american thing of keeping dogs and picking up their shit. i spent new years in upper east side, and was sitting at a small cafe one morning, watching these posh old ladies in expensive furs one after another scooping up little turds after their tiny beasts
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: isn't that the weirdest shit ? good thing democracy gave 'em civil rights an' shit, i'd take scooping dogshit over subsistence hunting any day!!1
mircea_popescu: in other zekworld, anyone saw the incrrreedibly neet-stupid film i saw today ?
phf: this is the first time i actually got to witness the entirety of the ritual (accidentally the cafe was in front of patch of grass, and i guess it was sufficiently cold that old ladies didn't want to go all the way to the park)
mircea_popescu: taking bets / proposals / suggestions of wtf it is till i publish.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/lay-the-favorite/ << Trilema - Lay the Favorite
mircea_popescu: "Manipulations of public opinions are understandably also among the general activities of the surveillance agencies [9], which at least partly explains the wild and bizarre discussion styles sometimes seen in certain Usenet groups and Internet forums."
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone wanna do a steganobot ? here's the spec : upon receiving a link to a pastebin, the bot picks a random tumblr image, doctors it, and links it.
mircea_popescu: (on its own tumblr page, why the hell not)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as wat, performanceart?
mircea_popescu: as tumblr.
asciilifeform: ( for what is open air stego good ? )
mircea_popescu: what exactly do you propose is weakned here ?
mircea_popescu: someone's gonna keep a list of all the tumblr images ?
asciilifeform: which bit-stuffing scheme ?
mircea_popescu: at the choice of the implementer
asciilifeform: it hides nuffin if known. there exists no 'asymmetric stego'.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean, specifically ?
asciilifeform: i couldve sworn we had the thread
mircea_popescu: link ?
asciilifeform digs..
mircea_popescu: or restatement, or anything.
asciilifeform: !#s stego
a111: 57 results for "stego", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=stego
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-31#1357724 << the bare fact. but pretty sure we did a detailed one☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-12-31 21:59 ascii_rear: problem with all stego is that it runs exactly counter to standardization
mircea_popescu: i sitll don't know what the objection here is.
asciilifeform: let's rewind a little
mircea_popescu: k
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: describe roughly what the bot would do
mircea_popescu: 1. i say !S http://pastebin ; 2. bot searches for an image ; 3. bot embeds the pastebin in image ; 4. bot publishes the new image to its tumblr acct. ;5. bot links image here.
asciilifeform: this is not hard to do ( with e.g. the classical 'rewrite the low bits of r,g,b' algo ) but not clear to me what it accomplishes
mircea_popescu: well, suppose there's a (pompously named) "adversary", which is to say some group of lamers with delusions of self-importance, like say the (pompously named) united states government.
mircea_popescu: confronted with this bot, said group of lamers has a choice : either ignore it, or else start going around with copies of my tumbler account.
mircea_popescu: mandatory tumbler following by nsa ? seems like a decent lulz.
mircea_popescu: let all porn i put in the chan be preserved forever as a matter of "national security" by all teh national-whatevers, why not.
shinohai: The filthier porn you put it in the better?
shinohai: :D
mircea_popescu: perhaps ?
asciilifeform: iirc they already believe in 'evil jpeg stego everywhere'
mircea_popescu: who even knows what's behind the nipple!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cool, so let it be foremost-er.
asciilifeform: and dutifuly collect the pron aha
mircea_popescu: so what are they gonna do, store piles of usb sticks at all airports and compare everyone's laptops for evil mp porn ?
mircea_popescu: would be pretty cool actually.
mircea_popescu: but in practice...
mircea_popescu: suppose "employee" wants to steal "secrets" from nsa hq. a) encrypt to rsa key ; b) put in tmsr tumblr bot ; c) carry vacation pics back and forth. problem ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, we will look for the strings". which fucking strings ?
mircea_popescu: "this picture contains sicritz in it" "does the lightbulb contain martian dataz also ?"
asciilifeform: would be interesting if there were a way to stuff them bits that isn't screamingly obvious
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: let it be obvious. the only thing it does is it makes it more demoralizing to the would-be eve.
asciilifeform: ( the typical low-bit thing , is readily detectable even if you have nfi re the payload )
mircea_popescu: i dun mandate a scheme.
asciilifeform: ah if in that sense then - what i said earlier. performanceart.
mircea_popescu: all social behaviour is performance art.
shinohai: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/picture.jpg <<< Can find text in this photo?
mircea_popescu: "do me" ?
shinohai: lel
mircea_popescu: human society ~exists since the dawn of time as "men finding text in images of women"
mircea_popescu: hail mary full of textual contents.
mod6: hehehh
mod6: i like the bot idea
mircea_popescu: yee
lobbes: !~later tell Birdman hm, payment didn't seem to go through >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767503☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 05:33 Birdman: !!pay lobbes 0.00224535
jhvh1: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
trinque: lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767505☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 05:34 danielpbarron: you gotta wait a sec lol
trinque: looks like he was too quick with the hot potato
lobbes: aha
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768136 << for the record, that's ~exactly the cause of my http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/ barf. "this is not a language and is not capable of supporting thought ; proceed without me."☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 01:11 phf: i think somehow lisp symbols tie into this, i'd call it sanskrit thinking, because you also see that a lot in sanskrit. let's attach as much meaning to this symbol as we possibly can, but when we speak the correct meaning will be communicated because the other person is also a vedic god
mircea_popescu: basically early google bubble "search", let's hack speech into a broken device that can only be used to communicate to those people we have nothing to say to.
mircea_popescu: (fwiw i always suspected that's the deep core of the pantsuit fascination with "eastern philosophy" : "o look, a cultural space fundamentally as self-alienated as we ourselves feel inside! THIS IS THE RIGHT BRAND OF EMO FOR MY NEEDS!".)
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14049.7, vol: 19139.52240169 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13896.0, vol: 52677.20701355 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14010.0, vol: 4120.37539151 | Volume-weighted last average: 13940.9249072
BingoBoingo: me voy a cita, hope to return with news and numbers
shinohai: Buenas dias BingoBoingo, suerte y nos veremos!
BingoBoingo: They gave me a lead on refurb equipment and should be emailing numbers my way for review
BingoBoingo: In other news: https://freedom.press/news/tribute-james-dolan-co-creator-securedrop-who-has-tragically-passed-away-age-36/
mircea_popescu: o.O
knubie: hey everyone
mircea_popescu: ello
BingoBoingo: Buen dia!
mircea_popescu: lmao check out the end of branding : exhibit a) https://image.ibb.co/j22296/00055d92_2889_72b3_714a_437ae2701953_958.jpg ; exhibit b) https://archive.is/jtYAL
mircea_popescu wonders what "just a guy trynna make it in dis game" is gonna do.
shinohai: 1/10 would not follow her up the stairs.
mircea_popescu: do you understand she's the equivalent of a "very smart kid", ie, 1.5 or so standard deviations up from the average ?
mircea_popescu: if not her, then whom.
shinohai: Some girls are smart enough not to advertise their trashiness with gaudy tattoos
mircea_popescu: well yeah, but in that prison stairwell...
mircea_popescu: (i imagine that's not what she tells herself it is, but look at that institutional shit. it'd better be.)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, leaving the talent aside, as who the fuck even cares, grass for the scythe : the ~entrepreneurial young & coming photographer~! which the fuck one of the numerous "mista photographies" expended the resources to produce this artefact.
mircea_popescu: there was a time (not so long ago!) when EVERY mark was known by ~everyone ; and not knowing one was perceived as a subjective lack not as an objective deffect ; and the whole shebang paid well. today i couldn't even order more of "his stuff" if i wanted to, putting in question the very possibility of "his" in "his stuff" and moreover the justification of labour or economic activity generally.
mircea_popescu: a string of five random letters provides him with DOZENS of collisions.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 27^5
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 27^5 = 14348907
mircea_popescu: as it must. but god DAYUM!
BingoBoingo: Aha, the branding superiority saga repeats
BingoBoingo: And in other movements https://www.elobservador.com.uy/una-rebelion-whatsapp-contra-el-isis-uruguayo-y-los-comunistas-mierda-n1158082
mircea_popescu: o right, cuz in latam what isis means is ~commies.
BingoBoingo: AHA, and CUBANS!
mircea_popescu: "Yet SecureDrop would not currently exist without James, and he deserves all the commendation in the world for making it what it is today." << i'll need a primer on this, what "is it today" ?
BingoBoingo: And that is truly the mystery
mircea_popescu: ~obscure website nobody uses because http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718478☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 00:18 mircea_popescu: reality winner and her wannabe qntra friends constructed her own subhumanity.
mircea_popescu: "James’s encyclopedic knowledge of computer and network security was a key reason why newsrooms were comfortable adopting SecureDrop when it was still seen as something relatively new and unknown." what THE FUCK are we talking about, am i in some kind of reality distortion field ?
BingoBoingo: Back to the other subject and efficacy https://www.elobservador.com.uy/a-lo-hiroo-onoda-se-quedaron-esperando-un-piquete-que-nunca-llego-n1158070
mircea_popescu: this shit reads exactly like old soviet side jokes about the great production and utter penury.
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell, SecureDrop was some sorta pantsuit thing Gawker and a couple other derpedias advertised accepting
mircea_popescu: but reality winner happened... afterwards ? iirc this event was post 2013, and "became what it is today"
mircea_popescu: "usg made the us army into what it is today" "you mean a useless piece of shit, janissary corps 2.0 ?" "yeah!"
BingoBoingo: Well, that's what it is today. It is thing derped much about and they celbrate the accreted derp
mircea_popescu: better story, "dood took 80% pay cut trying to make a secure drop thing work ; failed because ustards are retarded ; naggumed self".
mircea_popescu: next time, find the republic instead.
BingoBoingo: Perhaps naggumed "self" after finding bug needing fix that handlers didn't want fixed? Threatened defection to Republic and all?
mircea_popescu: who even knows.
BingoBoingo: Hopefully the next one has the sense to defect to the republic before thumbing nose at old handlers
BingoBoingo: But UStardation likely too deep for that. Gotta play seekrit Agent
mircea_popescu: hey, it costs me ~nothing to keep reading the obits.
BingoBoingo: Are you sure? Are the laffs worth it compared to other laffs you could be having? Like laffs on the seekrit beach
mircea_popescu: well i dunno i can just add everything to opportunity cost, the fact that the sun's not a cube may overshadow all these considerations.
BingoBoingo: Well yes, everything else is opportunity cost taking away from the critical sun cubing effort.
mircea_popescu: but, in any case, salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the self-same drowning.
BingoBoingo: The sooner we cube the sun, strap it to a pallet and abscond the more time it will take the terrans to realize the TMSR was the alien invasion after all
BingoBoingo: But yes, gotta cought the water or not cough
BingoBoingo: Anyways latest rumor taking the alt-alt by storm is USG's obvious preparation for fake alien invasion.
mircea_popescu: is this the "fema is storing bullets" thing again ?
BingoBoingo: It's the someone dug through cold war freedom of information act'd plans and filtered through through NASA's recent hype over weird space rocks
BingoBoingo: Or it's marketing for the ongoing undeath of the X-files
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: or it's unsourced tlp copy/paste.
mircea_popescu: ie "But they have to go to therapy because the clinic requires it because Medicaid requires it (integrated care), and the patients need the clinic because that's how they're getting their SSI, not to mention the Zannies. The docs need them to come because that's how they earn their living, and the government allows this because it needs someone to deal with American poverty until either we discover cold fusion or the aliens
mircea_popescu: invade. The government doesn't tolerate this, it doesn't turn a blind eye towards it, it explicitly allows it. The only thing it forbids is billing for a service not performed (e.g. ghost patient.)" and all that.
BingoBoingo: At this point the marketing cancer is too advanced to tell
mircea_popescu: apparently cold fusion too hard, quantum computers failed to deliver, so...
knubie: http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/educaor-wants-julian-assange-out-of-london-embassy/news-story/8bdae0186186d3906d2a062258e762e4 <<< heh, wonder what will be the next move..
BingoBoingo: Hey, Elon Musk "lost" a DoD satellite according to widely reported rumours and innuendos. Let the ambiguity reign
mircea_popescu: lel, didn't they steal his "social media" recently
BingoBoingo: Only certain thing is that noone wants to be a goat at scaping time.
knubie: mircea_popescu: think so.. feel bad for the guy, his really copped it last few years, his slowly camouflaged into an Albino
mircea_popescu: ironically, "conviction" of imaginary rape in sweeden would have resulted in better living conditions and 5 years is truly excessive anyway.
mircea_popescu: general rule being that it's always much better to openly mock the fucktards than to take them seriously.
shinohai: Maybe Venezuela will take him and he can mine their new fiat cryptocurrency
mircea_popescu: ie, between approach 1, where 2012 assange'd have told anders perkelev he's a retarded cuck and should be ashamed of himself in fromt of teh HD, ended up ~maybe~ convicted of the swedish equivalent of http://trilema.com/2011/americanii-au-disperata-nevoie-de-un-sut-in-cur/ and told same anders perkelev in 2015ish that a) he's still just as much of a retarded cuck as he was in 2012 and b) meanwhile he's also a retarded cuck wh
mircea_popescu: o LOST, publicly and humiliatingly
mircea_popescu: would have delivered much better results in 2018 than the path actually taken, 2), where assange sat in cramped ecuador embassy quarters for five years and got a ~toilet paper roll's worth of pompous "un declarations".
mircea_popescu: perelman had enough fucking sense to tell the ustards where to shove their soiled tp, assange somehow not bright enough to figure it out ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai i thought theirs was refined not mined.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "educaor" lulz bonus.
shinohai: Maduro announced around Xmas they are making a altcorn "backed by oil, gas, gold and diamond reserves"
mircea_popescu: maduro has nfi what anything is, does he.
shinohai: http://archive.is/aNV2b <<< The lulz announcement
shinohai: This is what happens when you elect socialist bus drivers to be your leader.
knubie: shinohai, in a bit may need a hand to finish off from last night :P
shinohai: Finishing work costs extra, those rubber gloves ain't gonna buy themselves.
knubie: lol, what doesn't cost these days.. >:)
shinohai: I jest, just pm me when you are ready, I'll be around somewhere this morning.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768272 << i suspect that sanskrit is what the end of the 'greek whisks of meaning' road looks like, however.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 06:30 mircea_popescu: basically early google bubble "search", let's hack speech into a broken device that can only be used to communicate to those people we have nothing to say to.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768306 << it was a kind of tor, i.e. usg-engineered transparent 'tool for opposition' . d00d presumably was showing symptoms of blowing the idiocy up, got nailgunned.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 14:24 mircea_popescu: "James’s encyclopedic knowledge of computer and network security was a key reason why newsrooms were comfortable adopting SecureDrop when it was still seen as something relatively new and unknown." what THE FUCK are we talking about, am i in some kind of reality distortion field ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BcuDd/?raw=true (for your convenience the porn has been separated packagedly : http://78.media.tumblr.com/170f77ec94cff4028a6380d9a0d92317/tumblr_ne5pvy04Al1tatbbfo1_400.gif ).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768313 << approx same 'trying to' as tor. it was exactly same type of pkitronic nonsense, and fooled nobody with even basic degree of literacy☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 14:28 mircea_popescu: better story, "dood took 80% pay cut trying to make a secure drop thing work ; failed because ustards are retarded ; naggumed self".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is likely true ; certainly the latter sophist episode in greekworld gives much support to theory. greek advantage over original gypsies is just being small and so T manageable.
asciilifeform: greek advantage, as far as i can tell, is 'die reasonably young, leave good-looking corpse'
mircea_popescu: these two are ~same.
asciilifeform: yea
mircea_popescu: note however the evident egyptian relation : same process, just as small, accompanying feats of reason, and died of old age.
asciilifeform: they did not afaik have the language thrust
asciilifeform: ( recall what passed for a language there )
mircea_popescu: it's an open matter.
mircea_popescu: but -- let it be said that alphabet mega tool on this road. yes perhaps "end of road" looks unappealing, but it makes hella difference what you travel in.
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767590, slow and frustrating, I'm currently trying to get gprbuild up and running, so far no success☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 17:59 mircea_popescu: hows teh ada musling coming along ?
mircea_popescu: (yes they have a cvasi-alphabet, but a) it has 500 "letters" or some shit and b) it was invented about at the same time as emacs split)
mircea_popescu: ave1 there were some complaints/discussion of this, such as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766187☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 04:53 esthlos: issue resolved by moving to 2016 ada
TomServo: As far as failures go, this one is pretty great: https://archive.is/FueB0 .
mircea_popescu: heh. amusingly, twas in the logs.
ave1: Yes, I've looked at that, gprbuild uses an internal function that should be in 2016 but seems to be missing, so I'm rebuilding everything from scratch
TomServo: Doh, I missed, apologies.
ave1: (also like gnat, gprbuild 2016 needs gprbuild to build etc)
mircea_popescu: ave1 detailed notes of the adventure would be rather useful.
ave1: yes, I will make a write-up
mircea_popescu: xool
BingoBoingo: In other news, somebody call Blofield: NVIDIA GPUs appear to be vulnerable to SPECTRE
ave1: (currently also writing up my adventures in building ch1)
mircea_popescu: just as xool.
knubie: TomServo: ouch, costly mistake
TomServo: And here I was giving giving OSTK credit for /supposedly/ keeping the bitcoin income rather than using bitpay like everyone else.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, im sure coinbase will make them whole etc. inca dun steal from itself.
mircea_popescu: only from you.
shinohai: TomServo: Naturally Brian Krebs is now taking credit for this from anyone that will listen
TomServo: shinohai: And making donations to charity!
shinohai: :D
asciilifeform: ave1: which 2016 ? adacore's, or gpl ?
asciilifeform: the latter, in so far as i can tell, is ~complete rubbish
asciilifeform: ( can be made to work, with a week's worth of hand-holding, on a particular system, for some values of 'particular system' , then will break later when you step on a previously-unknown mine )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768383 << this here is the real problem. with ~everything.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 15:26 ave1: (also like gnat, gprbuild 2016 needs gprbuild to build etc)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761765 to quote from classics.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 15:31 zineKing: Respected for his contribution, for founding GNU.
asciilifeform: none of the extant systems , of ANY kind, have anything resembling a sane bootstrap process.
asciilifeform: not even plain-c gcc.
mircea_popescu: but that is ok because.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'gcc' fork of gnat isn't even a gnu product in the usual sense. as far as i can tell , it is made lock stock and barrel of the adacore gnat , but with some dr.mengele treatments
mircea_popescu: as opposed to which portion of the "gnu ecosystem"
mircea_popescu braces self for "emacs"
asciilifeform: as opposed to , say, the rest of gcc
asciilifeform: which dates back to the long-forgotten era when the mushroom still had hands
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: that era is falling through the floor rapidly.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768395 << kinda the fate of the muppets, go about pantomiming events to the crowd of hunchbacks. "oh, minstrel invented the city of worms!!1 punch and judy are the original queen of england!!"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 15:30 shinohai: TomServo: Naturally Brian Krebs is now taking credit for this from anyone that will listen
BingoBoingo: BRB, language learning adventure time
BingoBoingo: Hopefully will return to numbers and writing from the data center.
mircea_popescu: o hey, so corp all reg'd and everything ? nice.
shinohai: "Bitcoin Candy (CDY) is a new chain forked from Bitcoin Cash at the height of 512666. The original BCH holders will be compensated with 1000 CDY for every BCH held. "
shinohai: lmao
mod6: sams
mod6: *scams
shinohai: "Block 512666" <<< Easy there, Satan
shinohai: Aside from that one, we have Bitcoin Smart and Bitcoin Interest within ~2 weeks
asciilifeform: shinohai: what's in that last one ? lemme guess, 'pays interest' 'from satoshi's coinz' ?
shinohai: "Bitcoin Interest ("BCI") is a frictionless global payment system focusing on three key areas Technology, Community, and Savings. Our payment system has a new integrated savings technology that allows our users to park their coins and earn interest. "
shinohai: (Source: https://www.bitcoininterest.io/)
asciilifeform: this is a pretty lulzy crackpotism actually
asciilifeform: 'Every Bitcoin Interest ("BCI") block has two rewards; 12.5 BCI coins are generated for the miners for their participation in solving the block, and an additional 1.08 BCI coin reward is generated and sent to the interest pool to facilitate interest payments. This is achieved through what we call, "Enhanced Proof of Work" using the Equihash algorithm. The interest pool reward will start at 1.08 BCI coins and will decrease to 0.54 BCI
asciilifeform: coins as our block height increases. This setup will ensure that interest payments are always available for those that choose to participate in parking their BCI coins.'
asciilifeform: '...If I was to park 100 BCI coins for the entire duration of the round, and there were a total of 1000 BCI coins parked, then I would receive 10% of the interest pool...'
asciilifeform: '...When you decide to park your BCI coins you agree to not move your coins until the current round has ended. If you choose to move your BCI coins before the round has ended, you will not receive an interest payment...'
asciilifeform: so sorta like the old proof-of-stake nonsense but with 'new' flavour, somehow
shinohai: Now with moar socialisms
asciilifeform: aha, miners mine so that derps get phree payola
asciilifeform: ( which, sadly enuff, is not so distant from classical bitcoin's 'noders node at own expense so that miners get payola'... )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768427 << sounds like someone went on a dumpster rampage, rescued ye olde solidcoin☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 16:26 shinohai: "Bitcoin Interest ("BCI") is a frictionless global payment system focusing on three key areas Technology, Community, and Savings. Our payment system has a new integrated savings technology that allows our users to park their coins and earn interest. "
mircea_popescu: anyone recall those ancient lulz ?
shinohai: Actually here is one that does away with that shit and goes straight for PoS: http://www.bitcoinlite.us/
mircea_popescu: just as "will take over bitcoin" as mit's later identical insanities.
asciilifeform: oh hah is that what it was.
asciilifeform: i recall it only from mircea_popescu's description.
asciilifeform: ( oughta be in the logs somewhere )
shinohai: bwahahaha Solidcoin
shinohai: I wasn't here for those lulz was still in heathendom
mircea_popescu: recall, his pow was flawed so he had this scheme whereby you'd "Deposit" your coins and basically get to write the blockchain for it.
shinohai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48581.0 <<< 2011 !!!!
asciilifeform: shinohai: pretty speshul, complete with msword-misformatted 'whitepaper'
mircea_popescu: oya
mircea_popescu: you know, just like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767798☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 20:13 mircea_popescu: "# We use c=0.005 which has been experimentally found to be optimal in processing time for common PC under MS Windows and values of k of practical interest. A different c value may be desirable for use in different computing environments." << check it out asciilifeform ! IT IS SATOSHI ALL OVER AGAIN. why. WHY!!!
asciilifeform: 'In next-generation crypto world there is no more need to use overpriced mining hardware, or take a loan to pay your electricity bill. There is much more efficient and eco friendly way to get FREE coins called STAKING. So you still helping the system verifying transactions and getting your free coins, while using just your personal laptop/ipad or a PC !'
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: also in next generation fuck world there's no need for strip clubs, autist bois get it via tube in their garage
asciilifeform: https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/7987570.gif << oblig STAKING
shinohai: That is indeed Proof of Stake asciilifeform ..... here, have 1 million phree Draculcoin
asciilifeform: hey recall mircea_popescu's 'proof of tooth' coin.
mircea_popescu: sadly pot is actually better than pow in all respects.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768160 << haha well this answers http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767425 then. 0 useful.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 01:23 mircea_popescu: a very strong ideal property of this is given in http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#selection-245.1-238.5 ; which is a large part of the problem and also serves as illustration -- who the fuck knew that random whore story from 2014 is actually an expose on generative grammar.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 01:02 mircea_popescu: i'm vaguely curious how useful this'd be, "article X includes 003/101/209/309/402/801/908 !"
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: lol 'solidcoin' was a closed binturd?!
mircea_popescu: yup
asciilifeform: prettygreat.
mircea_popescu: yup, as epic as could be had.
mircea_popescu: that and the "bcrypt best crypt on the market" dorks.
mircea_popescu: (the original cause for adlai friend's blacklisting in the bitcoin community, that scam)
asciilifeform: didn't somebody do a hardware shitcoin? i.e. 'you must buy THIS box...'? or did i dream it.
mircea_popescu: kinda stopped at yubikey/electrum looselet.
asciilifeform: yea but that ain't quite it
mircea_popescu: (formerly known as electrum wallet)
asciilifeform: picture a chumpatron where 'you gotta have THIS here magic chip to mine...'
asciilifeform: considering that microscopy costs ~= toyota, a circus like that could easily carry on, 'under the radar', for several years.
mircea_popescu: kinda what yubikey was/is
mircea_popescu: admitting anyone still thinks it's a thing
asciilifeform: i thought that was a 'store yer password in this-here magic thumbdrive' thing.
mircea_popescu: well ?
asciilifeform: it ain't a coin scam , it's an umpteenth shit chinesium comp peripheral
mircea_popescu: right. same diff.
asciilifeform: by that token , asciilifeform's 'it crashed' flashlight was same thing, lol
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: isn't it ?
asciilifeform: not quite. ( i thought about discussion the difference in the orig chumpatron article, but cut it ) : there are , to borrow from algorithmics, 'linear' and 'superlinear' chumpatrons
asciilifeform: linear is , e.g., selling 'rabbit' hats made of roadkill, or flashlights which fall apart, or ~100% of what chinese export is, really
mircea_popescu: since the chip you discuss could be made out of extant bitcoin miner + yubikey arrangement, they must both be just as linear
asciilifeform: i.e. every chump gets scammed for whatever pocket change he was going to spend on a flashlight that day
asciilifeform: to round off the crackpottery, 'superlinear' is when the chumps deposit their dough, but afterwards ~go home to get more~, to bring friends, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every complex mechanism is made of simpler ones.
asciilifeform: does not mean that they are all equivalent.
mircea_popescu: yes ; all assemblages of cogs are gearboxes not electronic computers.
mircea_popescu: but do go on, example of "superlinear" ?
asciilifeform: any ponzitron, for example.
mircea_popescu: in that it sells ideals not reals ?
asciilifeform: in that it is a resident infection in chump's head. rather than a 'nyahaha, i sold you a cutting board painted as ipad, and i'ma run faster than you can catch'
asciilifeform: and right, ideals.
mircea_popescu: how is "you got a nutria sable hat" not similarly infective ?
asciilifeform: it could be, if the 'sable hat' is sufficiently convincing, that victim goes and gets whole village to line up and buy 'cheap sables'
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: like say, "college education"
mircea_popescu: an ideal pretending to be a real. and convincingly, it'd seem.
asciilifeform: usually self-limiting infection, tho, when the villagers go out to sell these 'cheaps' dearer, they run into folx who can tell the diff
asciilifeform: hey did mircea_popescu ever write a piece about 'collegism' and the prev ver of very similar scam in 18th c. poland ?
asciilifeform: where they ended up with ~20% of population having 'titles of nobility' with 0 real fief to go with ~any of it
mircea_popescu: similar discussion embedded re both argentina and marriage/fertility
mircea_popescu: but i dun think poland specifically.
mircea_popescu: but yes, that's how "pan" got to mean "sucker"
asciilifeform: there may have been other folx who shot themselves in the foot on similar scale, but i can't think of who other than the poles
mircea_popescu: hey, "modern democracy" man imagines self some kind of 17th century french noble, has all the problems of same and none of the resources.
mircea_popescu: ~50% of argentina is lawyers.
mircea_popescu: they are illiterate, but letrados.
asciilifeform: modern yes. q was re premoderns.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform scotland was going to be polonial cower!
mircea_popescu: went over well...
shinohai: But to me, the best of the day comes from the Ethtards: "RocketICO is the world’s first decentralized accelerator based on the DAO concept, where startups interact with experts and investors"
shinohai: Also "Detects scam ICOs"
mircea_popescu: on the basis of google's latest fakenews engine ?
shinohai: Likely
shinohai: They have some chic in a chatbox on their website supposedly, imma link her to: http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/
mircea_popescu: why not the tits thing ?
mircea_popescu: make a penny at least.
shinohai: Even better!
mircea_popescu: inb4 it's a scam chick, really accts manned by worthless 20something dudes, O NOES
shinohai: Looking at site js, it has canned reply that comes up like most of these sites.
mircea_popescu: awww
mircea_popescu: but i'm sure it's not fraudulent because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767533☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 17:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767519 <<< o look, when the saudis "bought" that piece of shit it ... wasn't "corruption" and the saudi state very much does not need to take measure to eliminate the "corruption" of giving usg money. it's only when non-usg gets dough that the idiot neets need to stand up and herpderp on social media about "corruption" amirite ?
mircea_popescu: "only first ammendment issue when http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767974 ; otherwise -- FREE SPEECH FUNDAMENTALISM!!11"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 22:06 mircea_popescu: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/books/review/trump-michael-wolff.html << in other lulz, the new york times now free speech fundamentalists.
shinohai: !~display
jhvh1: shinohai: No GeoIP information found for
shinohai: ^ London ip space tho
mircea_popescu: shinohai digital ocean
shinohai: "Hello Caroline, since this useless token will fail just like the DAO and leave you unemployed, I was wondering if I might interest you in: http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ? "
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
shinohai: Guess they don't like opportunities!
mircea_popescu: lulzy.
mircea_popescu: but, i guess all the 36yo suicides gotta come from SOMEWHERE.
knubie: lmao @ tits link
shinohai: For lulz and only for the luz knubie
mircea_popescu: knubie think about it this way : the only reason 3-4bn women live in poverty today is that they are TOO FUCKING DUMB to pick free dough off the ground.
knubie: yeah, i noticed.. lol funny shit.. but i swear one of them looks so familiar
knubie: mircea_popescu: totally agree with you on that one
mircea_popescu: definitive cap on any possible "social security" discussion ever ; and, obviously, none of the proponents feel any sort of impetuus to address the item that ended their fanfic.
shinohai: Sooner is better than later, as mp says .... the reward used to be 10 whole bitcents
knubie: If it was back to late 90's & early 00's that list would be huge...
asciilifeform: hey iirc we even have folx who were offered ~whole~ coin, and continue to not show ( taleb ? )
mircea_popescu: yes but the non-statistical argument much weaker.
mircea_popescu: shinohai pretty sure originally it was like a coin or somesuch, in 2014.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hossat
asciilifeform: *how
knubie: lmao, it's a good PR move for BTC...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "social policy" argument discusses "people" as a statistical construct ; and it is entirely sunk by the pay-for-tits item, exactly like how darwinism ends creationism or qm ends nm.
mircea_popescu: but as far as single individual is concerned, well, they can forego profits for all sorta reasons.
mircea_popescu: !!up Covale
deedbot: Covale voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: not nearly same strength.
mircea_popescu: "maybe taleb has been on a monster bender since 2014, hasn't yet read it". etc.
knubie: Titties tag: 6bb9 1297 is the funniest shit ever..
mircea_popescu: why ?
knubie: the thumbs up & wicked smile
mircea_popescu: ah
knubie: cannot hide the joy
mircea_popescu: yeah, some great chicks in there ; kinda goes to show that the http://trilema.com/2018/lay-the-favorite/ or http://trilema.com/2018/lucy/ style retards never win out.
mircea_popescu: but then again if one needs such ellaborate proofs that anxious behaviour is improductive...
shinohai: I'm still convinced there is some Romanian magic in that article
mircea_popescu: how's that work ?
shinohai: I met one of the girls and all her hot friends! Though only one came back to participate iirc
mircea_popescu: a
knubie: back in the day, IRC was flooded with females..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768556 << there was some old essay , from early days of linux , re 'there once was the command line' or sumthinglikethat, that had a line 'you can give away free jagdtigers , and nobody will believe, no one will come for them, toogoodtobetrue'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 17:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "social policy" argument discusses "people" as a statistical construct ; and it is entirely sunk by the pay-for-tits item, exactly like how darwinism ends creationism or qm ends nm.
mircea_popescu: i think still is, but this particular network is more like technocuck than pure irc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except the whole thing's quite plainly and publicly documented.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of the first, it's a matter of the 100thst.
mircea_popescu: moreover jagdtiger cost of ownership is pretty huge.
asciilifeform: e.g. FUCKGOATS is also 'plainly and publicly documented'. number of detectable clones made : 0
asciilifeform: and it ain't a jagdtiger...
mircea_popescu: yes but narrower usercase for FG than for dough.
asciilifeform: tru
asciilifeform: i gotta point out that the cost-of-ownership for even a centibitcoin , is not 0 either
trinque went and squatted efnet #trilema, but they don't have any notion of chanserv, can't register.
Covale: hello
asciilifeform: Covale: who might you be ?
Covale: a stranger, pretty much. used to get on here every now and then years ago
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656097 << recall that ? also "free for the taking", not taken because hurr, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764080☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 01:15 mircea_popescu: gutenberg statistics ? 24 downloads for regrets sur ma vieille robe de chambre. in a fucking decade. because, of course, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653782
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 17:59 mircea_popescu: here it goes : "did you know, women, that before pantsuited hilarity clinton was invented, you had problems XYZ ? and that afterwards, these were resolved ?" "nope" "we'll... it's all recorded for all enternity-till-year-end on jezbel" "Where is this wonder ?" "oh, DO WE REALLY STILL HAVE TO ?!?! IN 2018 ?!?! WE'VE ALL MOVED PAST THAT!!!"
asciilifeform: Covale: ever consider reading the logs ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ? for one thing can immediately trade it for honda ; for the other thing can just let sit in deedbot.
Covale: did that every now than. but I also read this earlier: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-bitcoin-is-worth-exactly-0-and-blockchain-might-be-very-valuable-2018-01-09?link=sfmw_fb
mircea_popescu: lol still with this ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768503 << altcoins, 'responsible disclosure'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 16:54 mircea_popescu: an ideal pretending to be a real. and convincingly, it'd seem.
Covale: was wondering what you´d make of it, hence why I´m here
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr i think we're in the midst of a http://oglaf.com/humans for past wk or so
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: Covale low effort nonsense, failed to mean anything back in 2015, subsequent rehashes sorta like subsequent hillary clinton bids.
ben_vulpes: Covale: tard alarms should have fired at unqualified use of "blockchain" as a noun
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, first type of imperial scar tissue is "oh, cult" ; but 2nd type is "oh, famous".
mircea_popescu: one way or another, teh narrative'll try an' spin.
Covale: by the way, who on earth would already register this nickname ?
Covale: I literally never thought of it until like 5 days ago...
mircea_popescu: maybe you ?
mircea_popescu: !#s from:covale
a111: 0 results for "from:covale", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Acovale
asciilifeform: what i mean is, several new faces, but wholly matching the pattern of 'i'ma decimation-style greek choir here, nobody will notice that i only post redditola, take no part in projects or actual discussion, etc'
Covale: I wasn´t on IRC for years man
Covale: by the way hello mircea_popescu :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, what's the rush.
mircea_popescu: Covale so used to come by as what nick then ?
knubie: Covale: Vote Oprah
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no rush. but gotta put it in therecordz.
knubie: az buche vede glagol
asciilifeform: knubie: kirill & mifodiy are three doors down..
knubie: Saints Cyril and Methodius ?
knubie: :P
asciilifeform: !#s from:knubie
a111: 36 results for "from:knubie", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aknubie
mircea_popescu: !!up Covale`
deedbot: Covale` voiced for 30 minutes.
Covale`: <knubie> Covale: Vote Oprah - I can´t :(
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14573.79, vol: 18960.07387646 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14485.0, vol: 57984.97278647 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14616.0, vol: 4091.38344133 | Volume-weighted last average: 14512.3881289
shinohai: Covale` missed the golden opportunity to register as Covfefe
shinohai: !!up Covale`
deedbot: Covale` voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other ffa noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105&cpage=1#comment-18610
knubie: !!up Covale`
deedbot: Covale` voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !~later tell apeloyee http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105&cpage=1#comment-18611
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: Mah standards!
asciilifeform: !!up from_ffa
deedbot: from_ffa voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: from_ffa: hello ?
from_ffa: hello
asciilifeform: from_ffa: who might you be ?
ben_vulpes: inb4 "just a person"
from_ffa: a regular lurker of the chan. just started to muck around with your ffa series
from_ffa: have a q for mod6
asciilifeform: from_ffa: post it, he'll answer when he wakes up
asciilifeform: from_ffa: and please consider getting a name, and registering with deedbot,
asciilifeform: !!help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
from_ffa: I already did a few years back. and yes, the gpg key is at hand
from_ffa: t'was just in a hurry
asciilifeform: from_ffa: so please consider logging in
asciilifeform: think of it this way, would you rather converse with a person, or with a talking piece of pavement ?
from_ffa: v.pl[v9994]:L398 -> `rm -rf $press[0]` if -d $press[0];
from_ffa: so is it really necessary to nuke the dest dir when pressing a vpatch? :|
ben_vulpes: yes, one does not press a patch, one presses a tree.
ben_vulpes: if you want to patch an existing tree, the patch util is to your left
asciilifeform: because of the retarded way in which gnupatch behaves ( it tries to merge, even though v ~explicitly~ forbids the CONCEPT of merge ) it is necessary
from_ffa: at any rate, if I run "v.pl p ~/workspace ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch" I expect to find ffa alongside all other projects. not an empty workspace dir with ffa in it
from_ffa: consider at least documenting this, please :)
from_ffa now off to muck around with gpg and an irc client
ben_vulpes: coarse error in pilotage?
asciilifeform: oh ffs did v.pl rm -rf ~ this poor d00d
ben_vulpes: appears yeah
ben_vulpes: at least ~/workspace
from_ffa: nothing serious, everything was versioned. but yea
asciilifeform: prolly it oughta have a 'dir exists' eggog, rather than a delete
asciilifeform: !!up BigTexasBingo
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
BigTexasBingo: Any more experienced travelers know what the deal is with Latinas and their mothers?
BigTexasBingo: Not just the locals, but a Dominican now too!
ben_vulpes: well share a story, BigTexasBingo
BigTexasBingo: Story later, but short is find a Dominican for language immersion and get introduced to the mother at a time I would call too soon if it wasn't how every chica seems to operate here
asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo: you might want to store the benjies in a sealing, smellproof container, i think they can smell'em
asciilifeform: like dogs
BigTexasBingo: Brb, adventure!
BigTexasBingo: U no tengo benjies, tengo jacksons
asciilifeform: them also
shinohai: In Soviet Russia, password hack YOU: https://password.kaspersky.com/
shinohai wonders how many people running noscript have actually entered something there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768634 << not like "entirely and clearly wrong", but may be a tall milkglass to drink, this.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 20:06 asciilifeform: !~later tell apeloyee http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105&cpage=1#comment-18611
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768658 << i don[' get it, can't afford a directory ? or expect the directory be provided ? or what is the actual issue here ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 20:17 from_ffa: at any rate, if I run "v.pl p ~/workspace ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch" I expect to find ffa alongside all other projects. not an empty workspace dir with ffa in it
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> at least ~/workspace << i gotta dig this up from the logs. but older versions of v.pl actually *would not* over-write the original dir, would fail and say 'dir exists' or something.
mod6: based upon some commentary (going by memory here) lead us to the decision to delete the press directory even if it existed and then create a new directory even with the same name and re-press.
mod6: i'll go dig it up.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626770☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 04:35 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i suppose alternatively could just say DO NOT PRESS TWICE! DELETE DIR BETWEEN PRESSES. << agree. there obviously needs to be a check in there - if the press directory already exists, warn the user and stop.
mod6: thread begins here ^
mod6: if this behaviour should be changed, before next release, now is the time to get your opinions heard.
mod6: from_ffa: sorry I missed ya on here. but for now, yeah, that behavior is intended.
mircea_popescu: mod6 eh, user can just read the v as god meant, know what it does, etc.
mod6: and also, fwiw, that change did not make it into the normal v document. but did end up in the changes list in the email. i'll have to make a note to add that to the doc.
mircea_popescu: can't run around changing ~your~ v to match obscure config expectation of userbase ; high time userbase gets literate and walks out of the "i just wanted to" mindset.
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-March/000260.html << orig email, see section 0x03
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768672 << they have an unsanitarily close relation to their mothers.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 20:29 BigTexasBingo: Story later, but short is find a Dominican for language immersion and get introduced to the mother at a time I would call too soon if it wasn't how every chica seems to operate here
mod6: mircea_popescu: aha. fair enough.
mod6: I try to keep docs up to date. And add protections where they are needed. Hopefully my vtron is, over time, getting better. Not worse.
mod6: It's a work in progress. :]
shinohai: !!up Jautenim
deedbot: Jautenim voiced for 30 minutes.
Jautenim: mircea_popescu my issue is that I had a wrong expectation wrt the press operation and cut meself a finger
mircea_popescu: well apparently also had correctly set up table, plugged it right back.
mircea_popescu: so good for oyu.
Jautenim: even if the behavour is not changed maybe is it worth documenting
Jautenim: !!up Jautenim
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2XXIc/?raw=true
Jautenim: !!v otp 21A647DF0EA739D6CF54F4E10F4F9F499C60BFE486168F9C10B098C444C530C0
knubie: lol
Jautenim: herp
mircea_popescu: !!rated Jautenim
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated Jautenim 1 at 2015/05/18 16:44:02 << New blood.
ben_vulpes: dag old blood
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768685 << imho a proggy that deletes without warning an item which it itself had not necessarily created, is a backwards-firing pistol☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 21:49 mod6: based upon some commentary (going by memory here) lead us to the decision to delete the press directory even if it existed and then create a new directory even with the same name and re-press.
mircea_popescu: your system can't have rf in it.
asciilifeform: ...or at the very least analogous to those old tv sets which xrayed the downstairs neigbours
asciilifeform: i.e. problem may not turn lethal for a while, but eventually somebody will sit down in 'sweet spot'
mircea_popescu: it's like a hammer that'll pound a finger it had not necessarily created ifg you put the finger where it pounds.
asciilifeform: right, but it gotta be imho obvious ~where~ the business end is.
asciilifeform: and what exactly means 'pounds'.
mircea_popescu: well mod6 did say he's gonna add docs so.
mircea_popescu: note tho that i am NOT going to enforce any kind of responsibility for vtrons. the item says "MAKE YOUR OWN!!! vtron" for a fucking reason, and this is that reason -- if you use another man's parachute package better not be surprised by the fact he likes to keep girl undies there.
mircea_popescu: man can make own vtron as man pleases and thassat.
asciilifeform: it's a simpleenuff item that there's really 0 excuse for not making own.
shinohai: More shitcoin lulz: "Linda Cryptocoin is a hybrid coin with more than 70% pure PoS Block reward phase and 99% APR. This coin comes with a masternode which ensures lightening fast secured transaction, multi-wallets, encrypted messaging and stealth address for complete anonymity. "
mircea_popescu: just putting it in teh plain that it works exactly opposite from most items, where it's rather "do it right so i don't have to have it redone"
shinohai: Ninety-nine percent dontchaknow
asciilifeform: shinohai: but does it come with an arse-mouth phree-food hose!
shinohai: I'll make a pull request.
asciilifeform: ( why shouldn't it ? same logic as 'give EVERYONE PHREEMONEYZ' )
mircea_popescu: it's funny how by now the "idea men" / mit grads notion of bitcoin is closer to some kind of biological item. "99% pure!!"
asciilifeform: hey they're Educated, they have ipadz, made of 100% purest ipadium
mircea_popescu: scam of all time, a horde of useless 20somethinfg dicklets burdened under an immense pile of debt to "repay" for the "Service" they were rendered, which 99% consists of utterly unjustified and absolutely unsustainable self-expectations
mircea_popescu: chief among the list -- the notion that useless 20something dicklet is ever going to repay six figure debts, as if he's some kind of fucking aeroplane or something.
mircea_popescu: judgement by similarity has rendered a bunch of esltards imagine 1k usd is something they can afford. ridoinculous.
asciilifeform: worse, some of these folx even imagine themselves successful scammers : 'hey i milked 100k's worth of meritwashium out of mit, now all i gotta do is find another'
asciilifeform: and it isn't even trivial to dissuade one of these , the organ-collector van keeps not coming and not coming
mircea_popescu: myeah. quite, the best approximation of "what's the usg all about ?" well... it sells to idiots the notion they're successful scammers.
mircea_popescu: that's ~all.
mircea_popescu: !#s "but i used the juice"
a111: 1 result for "\"but i used the juice\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22but%20i%20used%20the%20juice%22
asciilifeform: 'superlinear' (to continue earlier thread..) chumpatron just about always has this property, of convincing the mark that he 'got something over' the orig perp
shinohai: !~google "But I used the juice"
jhvh1: shinohai: “I Wore the Juice ”- The Dunning-Kruger Effect – Galleys – Medium: <https://medium.com/%40littlebrown/i-wore-the-juice-the-dunning-kruger-effect-f8ac3299eb1>; The burglar with the lemon juice disguise – Mind Hacks: <https://mindhacks.com/2010/02/11/the-burglar-with-the-lemon-juice-disguise/>; Why a bank robber thought covering himself in lemon juice would ...: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: there was an ancient link re carnival and casino-flavoured chumpatronics , where a historian of the subj observed this
asciilifeform: 'make him think he has A System For Winning (tm)(r), he'll go home and fetch his gold to pawn' etc
asciilifeform: btw asciilifeform found it interesting , in timisoara , there were '9000' betting-shops, each with 2-3 pawn shops right next. moar than cafes, moar than just about any commercial item, betting shops.
lobbes: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/URbGu/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: i'm getting a better idea of what you mean.
mircea_popescu: "there's two kinds of scams : those who work on honest man, and those who don't. we call the later superlinear for reasons"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "fala".
asciilifeform: but what was interesting is that none of the pawnshops ~sold~ anything in the storefront. only bought. little hole in the wall, you put in goodies and get a few orcbux
mircea_popescu: well, they sell but via wot.
asciilifeform: invites the q : where did they liquidate the ipnojes, wedding rings, Last Shirts, that people put in
asciilifeform: gotta be.
mircea_popescu used to buy most of the girl jewelry etc that way.
mircea_popescu: "that was a great blowjob. would you like someone's wedding ring ?" "lol sure"" here, pick"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'reasons' being that 'scams on honest men' do not, as a rule, produce 'free radicals'
asciilifeform: ( i.e. converting the honest into scammers, to further scam elsewhere )
mircea_popescu: possibru.
asciilifeform: perhaps better analogy - slow neutrons
mircea_popescu: this altogether depends, buyer of dud may well attempt to pass it on.
mircea_popescu: elementarily -- what happens to most counterfit currency
asciilifeform: pass it on to 1 other.
asciilifeform: right
mircea_popescu: so in this sense linear. aite.
asciilifeform: epidemiologists have a similar concept for virulence
mircea_popescu: the difference between linear and superlinear scams is that the former aren't actually "social reform movements".
asciilifeform: 'basic reproduction number' (r0) iirc.
mircea_popescu: obama "change bla bla" -- the platonic superlinear scam.
asciilifeform: can reverse this equation also : every superlinear scam is , effectively, a 'reform movement'
asciilifeform: 'reform yerself! in the Bright New World we will build, dogshit edible'
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q3/Birdman_payment_receipt.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, kinda the point.