tmsr - Log 2018-10-19

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: since you asked earlier -- battery is a 'aa-pb2vc6b' , 48 watt-hour, 6 cylindrical cells, dead-likely the usual #18650 thing

asciilifeform: ( thing was made before all the shitlappy makers switched to custom/ungettable shaped prismatics )

asciilifeform: at one time asciilifeform wondered why no lappy maker ever included simply a compartment with sprints, like electronic boxen in the good old days, where you could stuff in yer own when the old ones give out. then realized the obv answer why.

asciilifeform: ( at one time i did have an ancient 'nokia' that had precisely this battery system, so there's no practical reason why impossible . it's purely lock-in crapola that prevents. )

mircea_popescu: custom batteries "are cooler".

mircea_popescu: sold to the same crowd of malignant morons that buys "electric cars" and "credit cards everywhere" and "electronic locks" and so on.

asciilifeform: sold, since ~late'90s, to errybody, the smallest nontrivial piece of gear i have here that takes standard battery (not counting flashlights etc) is 100kg ups.

amberglint: NS does work, but you need a simple workaround to get around the Xlib error: switch your X server to 8bpp

amberglint: after you do that, there's another gotcha - it needs a license from Symbolics to run, like Macsyma

amberglint: thankfully someone shared the crack with me, which I pasted here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/91Gll/?raw=true ☟︎

asciilifeform: what i wanted re ns, is a) the 'ivory' src b) src for ns itself, to pillage the algos

asciilifeform: i suppose ns pill will come in handy if anybody ever unearths the ivory src

amberglint: I remember NS referencing the documentation, but it seems to be missing in the distribution everyone has

asciilifeform: ( for non-bolixologists in the audience : 'ns' was the spiffy vlsi tool they used to bake their ic's, logic was specified as a lisp proggy of sorts and compiled into an item that could be taken to vlsi plant )

a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 22:45 amberglint: btw, one of Ivory and NS designers, Neil Weste, wrote his own schoolbook: http://pages.hmc.edu/harris/cmosvlsi/4e/index.html

a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.

amberglint: Peter Paine has a huge pile of Symbolics tapes which he jealously guards from other bolixologists, I wonder if it has the source of Ivory

asciilifeform: amberglint: it is interesting that somebody actually bothered to sit down and make a pill for ns. suggests that somebody, somewhere, has what to read in it..

asciilifeform: amberglint: the psychology of the 'jealous guards' people is still a riddle to me

amberglint: whoever made that pill wasn't eager to make it public, I got it in a roundabout way

asciilifeform: it's funny , these people. e.g. coupla weeks after i posted my pill for http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667 , that i had to make with own hands , a finn shows up, 'i have one too' 'why didntcha post' '...'

amberglint: yeah, it's the same deal, I guess some people are afraid of lawsuits from a dead company

a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:21 asciilifeform: for instance, i struggled to find the genera source, and then YEARS later i found out that 'the whisperers' have been quietly passing it around

asciilifeform: amberglint: i dun buy this excuse; for the pathological coward, there's 9000 ways to post a pill anon

asciilifeform: to avoid replaying old thread, will simply link my http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624999 astonishment ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:23 asciilifeform: yer more afraid of old ~defunct corp with 60k (look it up, usaspending.gov) than of riaa, mpaa, cia ?

asciilifeform: there's scarcely a corpse in the graveyard deader than bolix -- the fucking ~trademark~ lapsed

asciilifeform: i suspect he buys'em back from tired archaeologists, and resells ad infinitum

asciilifeform: notbad biznis model , when all you want to do is pay electric bill on cramped old house in virginistan

asciilifeform: amberglint: when i went to his house 10y ago, offered to him to make fpga-ized 'ivory' , 'pro bono', if he'd only cough up with what. answr was approx 'can't , unless my master permits, and he wouldn't' ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the psychology , is it like the nazi gold, 'we'll build a 4th reich and will need it' or how. ☟︎

asciilifeform: amberglint: i wrote to him, incl. once from .mil and 100% paying bolix customer (yes), 0 answer

mircea_popescu: !!key amberglint

mircea_popescu: !!rate amberglint 1 macsyma crack

deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of amberglint from 1 to 2 << bolix pillage / ns pill

asciilifeform: amberglint: think -- bolix bankrupt (for 2nd, and final time) ~20 yrs ago now. still no '4th reich'...

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 01:05 asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the psychology , is it like the nazi gold, 'we'll build a 4th reich and will need it' or how.

mircea_popescu: amberglint http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ for the theory ; http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/ a primer for the practice. in short, republic's created a bunch of symbolic shorthands for things.

mircea_popescu: 4th reich specifically being the next/current socialist state

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the fellow ? beyond "russian!" ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, tho possibly phf might , he appeared during prev bolix/ivory thread

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik amberglint is the 1st digger to actually share , normally bolix folx avoid asciilifeform like the plague, as detailed in old thrds, for whatever psychopathological reasons

mircea_popescu: maybe you used to be too young.

mircea_popescu: !#born amberglint

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863774 << could have easily organised a "break-in", stuff coulda been out of there before anyone even "discovered" and reported it. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 01:04 asciilifeform: amberglint: when i went to his house 10y ago, offered to him to make fpga-ized 'ivory' , 'pro bono', if he'd only cough up with what. answr was approx 'can't , unless my master permits, and he wouldn't'

mircea_popescu: but -- gotta want, before can can. much like talking to girls -- yes, could. but gotta want to before can can.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d did spill that he dun keep 'crown jewels' in his house.

mircea_popescu: also, english is a piece of shit. wtf "can can", get better modals!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fortunately errybody present speaks human langs, and knows that mircea_popescu was trying to say 'can can'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could've, for the same money. "for cleanning".

mircea_popescu: it's not just "credit cards" or "websites" or w/e else specific pwned-daily aspect of the female state that's fulla holes moreso than aerogel.

mircea_popescu: EVERYTHING they do is.

mircea_popescu: nobody's ever getting fired for giving away the expensive company car to a guy dressed in a red coat. "i thought he was the parking vallet".

mircea_popescu: hurr.

mircea_popescu: "i plugged this stick i found in the parking lot into your computer" / "i gave some guy an all-doors pass cuz he was wearing gray overalls with some name i don't remember on the back" etcetera.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by my reckoning, the actually valuable and not-yet-leaked stuff, is in 'indiana jones' warehouse, behind http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 , rather than on swiss cheese php www etc ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now if only such a thing existed irl.

mircea_popescu: but i suspect if aliens came looking for one it'd be in your house.

mircea_popescu: aaanyways.

asciilifeform: ( tho i cannot rule out hypothesis that it lives in same place as apollo rocket, i.e. /dev/null, was lost )

asciilifeform: nao, on other hand, the ~orig~ bolix, leaked like sieve, yes, regularly we hear about some old fart sitting on buncha tapes he picked up from dumpster, but always same element in story, he sits like tolkien's gorlum, 'my precious!', on the goods

amberglint: I was about to ask phf about his Ivory-related efforts, but checked the logs again just now and found that asciilifeform already did it two days ago, which I overlooked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862616 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 02:44 phf: asciilifeform: i actually forgot! i'm swamped right now, but can you remind me again in about two weeks, i have a thing for you from the dig that will help with the little piece of silicon you have

asciilifeform: ( in asciilifeform's practice, tape keeps for ~maybe~ 10y, and that's in hermetic container... )

mircea_popescu: afaik this is a botomless pit, trying to pay people to eg imagine ivories/bolixen etc is less roi than buying girls new stockings.

mircea_popescu: logs are littered with the attempts.

asciilifeform: amberglint: iirc he found pinouts. not crown jewels, tho could be of use in ~very slowly~ getting sumthing useful from the 2 'ivory' crystals i traded a 3620 for

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik nobody's even picked up enuff frags with which to make even half of a serious attempt, at that

asciilifeform: right nao there's a d00d with 2 crystals; and another d00d with maybe-pinouts; and a gorlum somewhere with maybe-tapes; etc

asciilifeform: and a buncha http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 tards with working (while caps last..) boxes but 0 brain ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.

asciilifeform: and of course there is a mircea_popescu to laugh, cuz it's pretty laughable state of affairs

mircea_popescu: and some ru outfit that was going to acid-peel and image chips, and a museum dork thart was going to rent me time on one of his boxes but then didn't nor felt any need to explain why he's stupid, and some other dork gonna build himself a vent, and so on and so forth.

amberglint: the people who have the biggest stash of Ivory hardware are busy writing their own emulator of the older 3600 machines right now, the last time I checked

asciilifeform: fwiw i did ( could unearth thread , but who wants, can find ) get quote from chinese, they will happily photograph crystal for ~toyota's worth

mircea_popescu: amberglint i have my doubts they're doing any such thing.

mircea_popescu: people with the biggest beer mugs are similarly busy discussing things about the game on tv.

asciilifeform: zeptobars seems pretty dead; their site is up, but pretty sure that all of the pics therein, were there last yr ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'PERQemu is written in C# under the .NET Framework 2.0. The source code is now available on GitHub...' << blergh

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is theoretically possible to write 3600 emulator without much brain work, the instr set is (mostly) described in their 600 (!) page patent. but there's very little to be gained from doing so, the 3600 arch is before they cleaned all of the mit shit-hackolade out of the thing, it has million idjit warts inherited from when the thing was a refrigerator-sized dumpster of 74xxx discretes

mircea_popescu: no, i know.

mircea_popescu: part of why i'm so "eh, tell it to the hand" about the whole "they're working" angle. no, they aren't.

asciilifeform: maybe in another 10yr they cough up 3600 emulator. in c#. that maybe runs for 5+min without crash.

mircea_popescu: hopefully it's deployed as a ruby gem via kubinetes.

mircea_popescu: old famous tech deserves nothing less

mircea_popescu: provided of course "pid eins" is somehow involved also. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am contacting you from the future, a time when "microsoft" "bought" whatever.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, coke will merge with pepsi, lion with lamb, such it was written in sybiline prophecy or wherever.

mircea_popescu: teste david & sybilla.

asciilifeform: but yes, i'm not esp surprised that the derps 'working' on 3600. given as 1) 'ivory' needs ~20-50 k $ in either chinese microscopist, or nixon's burglars , take yer pick 2) 3600 is massive forest of idjit hackolade, which these people seem to ~like~, the way scarab luvvs shit

mircea_popescu: 50k is so not the problem here.

mircea_popescu: not much of one -- a bunch of rando camhos got ~same to write on their tits.

mircea_popescu: but unlike the drone bois -- the girls DO SOMETHING.

mircea_popescu: ahahaha. let me guess, "divisive, inequalitarian and unfare" ?

asciilifeform: ohnoez! folx gettin' passports without having ever fucked a goat in the name of prophet!

asciilifeform: but yes usg is squeezing necks, too many zeks escaping, even with the current ~$1m price tag

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, unfair that terrorists can "invest" for passport, unfair competition for Merkel's North African flotilla

mircea_popescu: the very verbiafge, you know ? "crackdown" ? as fucking if what, the pantsuit isn't a party favour, passed around for anal freely ?

mircea_popescu: "crackdown" comes from the same mental universe as "pantsuit has always last word -- and it is yes sir".

asciilifeform: funnily enuff , last time asciilifeform went to dig, turned up people who claim to conjure up 'ro ancestor' for $toyota, and bake legit passport; but i'ma believe it when i see it and as far as can throw it ( plus they only work on ukrs, which is imho a dead giveaway of spamola )

mircea_popescu: not at all.

mircea_popescu: it's less than that, but morons.

asciilifeform: i guess 'less than that' if yer a gurl and mircea_popescu likes yer bust, or how else.

mircea_popescu: mocky is doing ok on toyota so far.

asciilifeform: ( the q of where tortoise to go, so as not straight to soup, is ~separate~ q )

mircea_popescu: not ran out of funds yet either.

BingoBoingo: I have to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by the manner in which they manage to hide the electric wires. Down here they just... can't ☟︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: easier to bury wires when yer entire grid is the size of ~akron, ohio

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from map, qatar is an akron inside a new jersey's worth of f. herbert's planet arrakis

BingoBoingo: I'm not sure I trust the Uruguayos to completely hide the wires considering how many lines have left scorch marks along their runs

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~all of washingtonistan, outside the walls of the city proper, is like that

asciilifeform: and when they fall, they take yer net pipe with'em . it's almost a wonder , imho, that they haven't yet hung up the water and gas lines on poles also..

asciilifeform: ( they ~could~ ! recall, they use flexible hose nao, to pinch pennies ) ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Oh no, I am talking about the runs where the wires are centimeters from exterior wall of occupied structure. They don't fall until they've completely finished cooking

asciilifeform: eh they're against exterior wall of ~erry house here. but fortunately for the washingtonistani, cardboard aint conductive..

BingoBoingo: I mean the whole run of the bundle is centimeters from the face of every building for the entire block's run

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in ro i saw gas pipe running along ~exterior~ walls, errywhere, forming little archways to cross alleys, for km after km

asciilifeform: there's 3-4 leaks just within 5km of where i'm sitting, and plenty of folx reported to wash. gas, and guess, fixed ? (spoiler : no)

asciilifeform: iirc it is worse in 'flyoveristan', there they have regularly gas boom, takes out 1-2 blocks

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863923 << ahahaha this is so epic ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 02:21 asciilifeform: ( they ~could~ ! recall, they use flexible hose nao, to pinch pennies )

mircea_popescu: TUBES, is what the internets need!

asciilifeform: iirc the corrugated-steel hose thing was once thought to be a++ pill for earthquakes & ordinary vibration from traffic, but in actual practice the thing fatigues & holes.

mircea_popescu: "this is how we're going to try and talk around the fact our favourite catamite fucked up yet another province" ?

mircea_popescu: the glories of bahamas blue state, what.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 02:17 BingoBoingo: I have to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by the manner in which they manage to hide the electric wires. Down here they just... can't

Mocky: and no houses. commercial buildings and villas. every villa at least 3 stories, flat top, fully wrapped in concrete wall at least 8 feet high, with iron gate for car and iron door

Mocky: 8 foot walls for the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress' ☟︎

Mocky: except for skyscrapers and 'artistic buildings' everything is cinder block or brick fully covered in concrete facing.

Mocky: in the 'burbs there are sort of ticky tack housing communities where a couple dozen villas will share one big wall, with guard on duty at the gate. ☟︎

Mocky: one result is that there isn't a single unsightly yard anywhere, from external pov. from inside pov, it seems like most have a junk pile their back 'yard'

Mocky: not really right to call it 'burbs, it's still in the city just not downtown. Villa is also often commercially, dr office, restaurant, shops: just with extra windows and signage

Mocky: if they built like this in florida, hurricane season would be quite different. but then yeah hardly anyone would be able to afford to live there.

diana_coman: are all houses at the edge of the city or where? not that I'm even sure I see a difference if ~all desert anyway

Mocky: the downtown area wraps the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call this 'a ring'. the rest of the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed.

Mocky: for example, there are 12 malls in Doha. if you stood on top of one, could see others. ☟︎

diana_coman: ah, makes some sense; though I gather it's basically living among the malls and sand but I suppose that's what it is

Mocky: actually the only sand is at construction sites. of which there are many. in the city that is. nicely paved streets with nice looking brick sidewalks ~everywhere

diana_coman: well yes, but that's basically adding concrete/brick to the mix; soil is still what it is

Mocky: week two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of these people are locals, none of them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what they would do if needed to find. ☟︎

Mocky: but Qataris don't mix with the help, except the partying 20 somethings that don't want to work (reportedly) and they don't seem to be in their parents wot ☟︎

Mocky: well not so 'guilded' for the bottom two classes, but at least they can leave now if they want ☟︎

diana_coman: I must say I don't really have any concrete idea unfortunately re how to go about to find an entrance to qatari wot

Mocky: i went to both coworks. well, "coworks" one is 15th floor of a bank highrise that was empty and expensive. the other is trying to be a startup incubator run by the ministry of communications

Mocky: but there's exactly no one here who would use a coworks. you either came here for a job, or your dad can get you a job ☟︎

diana_coman: I'd naively expect there would be at least some sort of link possible at the incubator; no events either?

Mocky: you have to get approved, but there's no one actually at the place to approve you, only desk minders. and if approved you have to join the sv track

Mocky: the events are: make your slide deck, public speaking workshops, have an app... ☟︎

diana_coman: the point being to my mind to perhaps meet *there* some people worth meeting, not as much joining the track per se ☟︎

Mocky: they did have an event the day i arrived, but i missed it. no more events on the near calendar

diana_coman: failing that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good that might be ☟︎

Mocky: i'm about to implement plan b, and talk to the local companies that advertise to help you get your business started and help find you a sponsor

diana_coman: my limited experience with a business incubator in south tyrol was that there were also people from local businesses + local government, but I have no idea to what extent this experience means anything for qatar-incubator

Mocky: one of them claims on their website that certain IT and consulting busniesses don't require a local sponsor. if they actually have experience with these things I expect it to be helpful

Mocky: ftr: the bottom class is outside laborers, housed in barracks, transported by busses

Mocky: next to bottom class is cheap workers who aren't permitted to get a drivers license: http://archive.is/Cg7uU ☟︎

Mocky: this class works 12 hour days, or shift work and still has no money left over to actually do anything in thier free time

diana_coman: sounds like ol' world drivers/gardeners/maids/cooks/servants in general, no? ☟︎

Mocky: but the upper class of foreign workers has a better deal than they'd get back home. comparable pay, dozen weeks of holiday per year, no taxes, housing provided

Mocky: actually i'm pretty sure everyone is getting a better deal than back home come to think of it

diana_coman: at the end of the day it's not exactly qatar's fault that it's so shitty at home for those people that they'd rather eat the sand there

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy.. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 08:21 Mocky: 8 foot walls for the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress'

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 13:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the american folx indeed define loosely ; they build wooden fence tho, not ferrocement

Mocky: one thing i can say is that in the past there were guards hired at many villas to monitor the comings and goings. lover cannot be snuck into parents house easily, and expats had same problem here. "cannot bring girlfriend over... guard"

Mocky: it's not so anymore. now it's more "don't ask dont' tell", though unwed sex is still illegal, and some "family" oriented hotels here will ask for marriage cert

Mocky: evidently they no longer care unless you force them to care. like having a domestic dispute where police are called while living together unwed

diana_coman: makes some sense: if you want our help than stick to our rules; if you follow your rules than wtf you want from us

diana_coman: iirc thick walls also -> cooler; though this might make more sense for building rather than garden

asciilifeform: Mocky: from your earlier description , sounds like there are no 'lumpens' in qatar ? ( if so, this is pretty neat )

asciilifeform: well not just any idlers, but folx not fitting into the structure. bums, pickpockets, the typical bipedal ferals of 'civilization' ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( while on subj, what's the punishment system like ? can attend a good beheading, arm-chopping ? )

Mocky: quite rigid structure, few if any cracks to fall into. Foreigner is tourist, sponsored worker, or businessman. plenty of idle locals, but idle rich in nature, if not substance

Mocky: I don't know about public or not. as part of sharia law it applies only to muslims. they have secular law for non muslims.

Mocky: it's still on the books, 40 lashes for sex outside marriage for a muslim. i think they did it as recently as a few years ago

Mocky: fewer lashes for theft etc. I know the corporal punishment sentences are handed down, but not always implemented. I don't know the ratio of commuting to jail time / deportation

Mocky: gotta pass a medical exam that says if you'd survive. can keep shirt on. reportedly brusing not bleeding

asciilifeform: makes sense tho, if errybody is either a baron or cheapo gastarbeiter , deportation worx

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 00:41 amberglint: thankfully someone shared the crack with me, which I pasted here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/91Gll/?raw=true

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 00:43 amberglint: here's the crack for Macsyma: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TRpId/?raw=true

BingoBoingo: In other news: The Peruana, Gloria, has passed her examinations and will be getting licensed in the profession of vaccination.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863959 << what you're describing is pretty much where the current world's going. ~same here, ~same in moscow, whatever. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 08:25 Mocky: in the 'burbs there are sort of ticky tack housing communities where a couple dozen villas will share one big wall, with guard on duty at the gate.

mircea_popescu: it's a sad testament to the age of "enlightment" that we went from 1600s manor house to 1800s brownstone tenement and now to 2000s tallwall. dark ages ftw.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863966 << jesus flatlands. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:10 Mocky: for example, there are 12 malls in Doha. if you stood on top of one, could see others.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863972 << ahahaha. this is pretty rich. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:26 Mocky: week two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of these people are locals, none of them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what they would do if needed to find.

mircea_popescu: "so... what do you do ?" "uhm i dunno man... we just live here. it's just a gig, it's not our life. wanna toke ?"

mircea_popescu: and then when i say there's a lot of supernumerary bodies...

BingoBoingo: <Mocky> the downtown area wraps the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call this 'a ring'. the rest of the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed. << The rings sounds rather like 1900's-1950's Montevideo

mircea_popescu: ~same planners im sure.

Mocky: there are a bunch of beaches. some closes during turtle nesting season. spread around qatar. not sure how many close to Doha, but not like it's a big country

BingoBoingo: But once shopping malls came here, future laying out went less deterministic. Still, very reliable street number system here.

Mocky: the big thing is the party boats in west bay, wooden boats you can seen in like half the public pics of Doha skyline.

BingoBoingo: Mocky: Well, do the locals go there? Take four of the girls you met and lounge around with the for a weekday evening. Good chance that might be how you meet locals.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864068 << for extra lulz, BingoBoingo : i regged an acct on their www and submitted comment, and (spoiler) 'Submitted and awaiting moderation...' for hrs nao ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 15:34 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/tech-press-touting-latest-google-fritz-chip/ << Qntra - Tech "Press" Touting Latest Google Fritz Chip

Mocky: dozens of party boats that head out for afternoon / evening party / swimming in the bay. thumping music in harbor at night

mircea_popescu: Mocky it's possible they may have a prequal system, if not necessarily what BingoBoingo describes.

mircea_popescu: "must be in right time at right place" sorta deal ; otherwise LOTS of people (and a LOT more than care to admit) spent 60s in california looking for the party.

BingoBoingo: It seems pretty clear the 20 foot concrete fences are for privacy under the pretext of security

Mocky: if there are local girls who dont' look exactly like this at all times in public, I havent seen: http://www.milenio.com/tendencias/Mujeres-Arabia-Saudita_MILIMA20160119_0193_8.jpg

mircea_popescu: Mocky egypt is same way, except then in private it's topless party w/e.

mircea_popescu: i'm exaggerating, but anyways. very huge in/outdoors distinction

Mocky: that seems to be the report from housekeepers. bored qataris with nothing to do but shisha, sex and kfc

mircea_popescu talking to "party girl" at some point (ukr chick, too) about it : "don't you find it intolerable ?" "well... i think of it as a perpetual costume party in the street."

mircea_popescu: she'd work winters in the (at the time) super-hottest-spot-on-earth, some expensive & pointless UAE resort development.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863976 << this is very much the one great gain of multi-female household. you don't have to put the spawn in wot. imo worth weight in gold. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:29 Mocky: but Qataris don't mix with the help, except the partying 20 somethings that don't want to work (reportedly) and they don't seem to be in their parents wot

mircea_popescu: much like EVEN NOW the cost of disease still fails to exceed the benefit from sexuate reproduction, i suspect the same applies there : any other drawbacks a social system may have, the fact it dun force you to put woman's children in your wot is still enough to bring it above water.

mircea_popescu has exactly 0 intention of entertaining the "but i am your son!" bs in any case. everyone's someone's son, and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628787 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 14:22 asciilifeform: recall the anecdote re w. shockley's 'genius spermbank' calling feynman ? him: 'whatcha bothering ~me~ for, talk to my father'

mircea_popescu: atrocidades lol.

asciilifeform: 'Había ingresado hacía menos de una semana y estaba alojado en la celda siete del cuarto piso, junto a otros cinco internos. Se escapó luego de romper una reja, saltar desde varios metros de altura a un pozo de aire desde una altura de 12 metros, entrar a un depósito en donde encontró el uniforme de policía con el que se vistió para pasar desapercibido, y forzar una puerta...' << lol hollywood escape

mircea_popescu: who was that guy that had a number of children with the assortment of strippers hired to "guard" him back in the zone ?

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: hence "the zone"

asciilifeform: and hey, prior to that , who was it, luciano ? who had proper carpeted flat, writing desk, whores, in cell

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863977 << it's "gilded" btw. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:30 Mocky: well not so 'guilded' for the bottom two classes, but at least they can leave now if they want

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll believe the hollywood escape is possible. All most of the kids here eat is hollywood.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not necessarily that it happened ; but you gotta understand the interaction between massively multiplayer ineptitude and internalized castration. prison sits there for years at a stretch without encountering an actual human being, 100% redditards spinning in their own internalized mental narratives, incapable of finding way out of paper bag. slowly decays, under imaginary maintenance, the sort that the aforement

mircea_popescu: ioned tend to apply. "did that fix things ?" "i did what was in the book" "but did it work ?" "what do you want from me! what i do is just a gig! it's not my life!!!".

mircea_popescu: then runs into actual human, suddenly the whole thing's closer to a drawing than anyone realised.

mircea_popescu: or to use yest's terminology, after years of being maintained and populated by intelligent people, carcel central suddenly ran into a smart guy.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly naively, i pictured that the clink is the 1 place that regularly frictions against actual-human folx. but whoknows, after N gens of reddit, this.

mircea_popescu: nope.

mircea_popescu: i'd say sqft of prison floor is actually slightly more deranged than sqft of starbucks

mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, was ~always~ the case. during soviet times, i recall older guy saying to (friend) who worked at jail, "god fucking help you if an actual thief ever ends up in there".

mircea_popescu: "he'll pick a lock and you'll be shot" "oh... i know ;(".

BingoBoingo: And in still other local news, the Tranny reparations bill passed. Trannys born before 1975 with documentation showing "persecution under the dictatorship" (i.e. commie scum) will be getting 11.000 pesos monthly. The estimates are 150-180 of these tranny reparations will be made, and I am guessing everyone receiving them will be an FA party member.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform competency rather than connectivity is discussed.

mircea_popescu: locks, you knoiw ? what's in a lock

mircea_popescu: especially if elite talent's stuck there boring with it.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so they went to all this trouble to vote themselves a ~1mn annuity ?

mircea_popescu: this FA business is very fucking inept.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And it is inept in a way that is alienating the labor folk who "support" them

mircea_popescu: ikr ?

mircea_popescu: it's funny how the worst traits of pantsuitism export easiest.

mircea_popescu: i'd say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687624 ; but then again the suspicion in my mind is that this is the sort of thing thatd happen anyway. ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by all accts, typical escape in su proper was during conveyance . prisons had well developed systems of stoolies, capos, cells packed like sardine can, not much lock fiddling there.

mircea_popescu: ie, guy who was gonna steal a cookie was gonna steal a cookie ; that in the one case where he stole it he saw some guy stealing from a jar in miami so "he was emboldened by the sight" is entirely uncausative. he'd have stolen it because a spider climbed the wall and similarily "inspired" his dumb ass.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ro jail wasn't ever that full.

mircea_popescu: well, not after 60s at any rate.

mircea_popescu: maybe see above ? lol.

mircea_popescu: anyway, what the dudes did have was a very strangely nordic, respectful and ellaborate ritual dealing with homosexuality.

mircea_popescu: somehow managed to maintain bizarre taboos, such as "not using same dishes/flatware" across sexual orientation.

mircea_popescu: right, which is why i mention

mircea_popescu: lmao. nah, wasn't agressive, strangely enough.

mircea_popescu: almost as if picking factions in mmorpg.

BingoBoingo: Anyways, Uruguay has one jailbreak story. Back in the dictatorship years a bunch of Commie scum (~150 NPCs) locked up in the future Punta Carretas Shopping tunneled their way out.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so sad all the 70s dictatorships failed. argentina'd have been a way better place if the junta shot 10x more students and beat ~all of them.

mircea_popescu: twice, for good measure.

BingoBoingo: Fucking Uruguay's put themselves up for referendum! And let themselves lose!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ar is still historical puzzler to me -- they sprayed and sprayed, and no end of roaches; what was the issue, notenuff spray ?

mircea_popescu: nfi.

BingoBoingo: The dictatorship in Uruguay legalized cannabis in the 1970's to neuter the hippies and by the 1980's they lost at the ballot box.

mircea_popescu: i think the problem was they permitted buenos aires agglomeration

mircea_popescu: should have gulag'd properly.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i think the problem was they permitted buenos aires agglomeration << The more time I spend here the more horrifying the idea of a Buenos Aires is.

mircea_popescu: yeah. problem is stalin got lucky (in the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568 sense ) and siberia was "rich". pampas -- no such thing. so they didn't have the stepping stone, for it to occur to them, what to do with lefty students. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.

mircea_popescu: but yes, totally -- go to college, on entrance test basis, 100% free, luxurios accomodations even. however at the end of it, the bottom half straight to kolyma.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ancient aluvionary plain. dead as disco.

mircea_popescu: not that they did drill that much. but then again neither did stalin, at first.

asciilifeform: gulagistan wasn't exactly rich in surface minerals, either, most of the digs were fairly deep

mircea_popescu: huge north-south difference in earth. a little like -- will find more bug residue on car windshield than back-facing spoilers.

mircea_popescu: but i'm not saying it shouldn't have been done or couldn't have been done just as well

mircea_popescu: i'm saying they missed the convenient doping in the mental dielectric to allow the sparking of "this! what we do is THIS!"

asciilifeform: esp. odd considering that orig spanish had 0 problem with gulag for the aboriginal extras

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863981 << one idea is, most of these4 people prolly have a gf, who is possibly attempting to "live independently". talk to whatever aspirational class girlies do there ? "real estate agent" is it in latam ; maybe "expensive shop 5th avenue of doha" ? thjat was ~it in bucharest. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:33 Mocky: but there's exactly no one here who would use a coworks. you either came here for a job, or your dad can get you a job

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they did not read/understand colon-ial history.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863986 << ahahahaha they think cowork is uni lab! roflmao. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: orcs have nfi how any man tools work, do they ?!

mircea_popescu: not AT ALL how sv works lol. this is MIT emulator, 30 years later and made out of shit&hay.

mircea_popescu: anyway, turns out qatar suffers from inverse problem of white world -- OVERmanaged.

mircea_popescu: isn't speciation an incredible fucking phenomenon ? how can such divides naturally occur ?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863988 << fucking endearing. might as well document all of this for future lulz Mocky ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:37 Mocky: the events are: make your slide deck, public speaking workshops, have an app...

mircea_popescu: i have a feeling all these discussions will be referenced lots and lots in future, i'd rather not have anything trashed later "for lack of evidence".

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863989 << no, because if they're there they're definitionally not worth meeting. exactly how you wouldn't try and hire for s.mg from the ro army ged class. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:37 diana_coman: the point being to my mind to perhaps meet *there* some people worth meeting, not as much joining the track per se

Mocky: that reminds me how overstaffed everything is here. jewelry store in side a hypermarket, 7 dudes behind the counter. not enough room to all stretch arms out. 3 guards. zero customers. in the mall no matter where you go, will be in sight of 2 security guards

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863993 << mother would be more useful, actually. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:38 diana_coman: failing that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good that might be

mircea_popescu: Mocky alf's method above, yes ? :D stollies & all.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864004 << o fuck me, this is a SPLENDID idea ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:49 Mocky: next to bottom class is cheap workers who aren't permitted to get a drivers license: http://archive.is/Cg7uU

mircea_popescu: if cr implemenrted this same thing, "no driving license for office drone / cal lcenter chickie / whatever pipedream "professional" class" they'd have 0 problems left to fix.

Mocky: even in the grocery, a dozen security guards on duty at once. some walking some guarding

mircea_popescu: "Financial Services Worker" ; "Barber Beautician" yup it's 100% directed at them too

Mocky: ikr? that list is the old one too. the newer once is twice as long, includes "computer programmer"

mircea_popescu: PERFECT omfg.

mircea_popescu: if only qatar took over south tyrol, we'd have something.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864009 << no, actually, sounds like "stupid daugthers". it's ~100% pantsuit list. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 09:51 diana_coman: sounds like ol' world drivers/gardeners/maids/cooks/servants in general, no?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864022 << yes, they do. enemy -- in own head. postmodern times. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 13:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..

mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a bon mot i put out 20 years ago. "rich dude" of the warren buffett/alexander abramov was building house. very large, somerwaht brutalistic, remarkably small windows. "why are the windows so small ?!" "he's trying to re-create his prison experience".

asciilifeform: Mocky, mircea_popescu : the 'professions not given driver license' thing dun make much sense imho; why not much shorter list of who ~is~ given, 'titled baron', 'ceo of co listed on exchange', 'fuhrer', etc

Mocky: fwiw, i quite like it. all comers don't need to look in my windows and knock on my door

mircea_popescu: people's problems -- in their heads. it's the 3rd millenium after a ll.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "cause fuck you, that's why" ?

asciilifeform: iirc in asia they have ~same thing, but encoded differently, they simply charge 100k $ for 'car tax'

mircea_popescu: maybe the idea is that since people will focus on the list, they'd rather them focus on the negative list and try to get out than focus on the positive and try to break the system.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also a good idea. the girls know how many times i went "car license - 100k!"

mircea_popescu: this "cars for all comers" toyota program of doom gotta cease.

Mocky: traffic is only bad here during rush hour, and even then not as bad as rush hour in us cities. so long as you avoid the "10 minute lights"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864040 << your favourite shoemaker used to have the police regularly beat these, and then detain them in workcamps. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 13:48 asciilifeform: well not just any idlers, but folx not fitting into the structure. bums, pickpockets, the typical bipedal ferals of 'civilization'

mircea_popescu: in retrospect is the #1 thing i like about him.

mircea_popescu: aha.

asciilifeform: re drivers -- why not, e.g., combine license and taxi medallion. wanna drive ? register as driver, buy medallion, dun have to carry passengers or paint livery on 'cab' if you dun feel like, but pony up.

asciilifeform: usa is a peculiar horror, with little-to-no reliable public transport in most places; but pretty much errywhere else, could easily do as above

BingoBoingo: I am sure there would be a lot less cars in Uruguay if motherfuckers weren't spending all day doing the Uber to pay for their cars

asciilifeform: Mocky: herr baron himself aint 'limo driver' tho. even in nyc most medallion owners do not themselves drive cab.

Mocky: here, civilized person can't walk more than 3 blocks outside during midday. would be drenched in sweat. likewise can't stand for 15 minutes waiting for bus. it's get into a car with AC or smell like the riff raff

Mocky: but the sun sets early without daylight savings time, and it cools quickly without the sun, so can walk outside after about 4:45

mircea_popescu: training for mars, cosmonautski.

mircea_popescu: Mocky another angle : find someone to sell btc to. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: talk about it to the dude and to all older local males you can find.

mircea_popescu: and all the sons.

Mocky: I can find local males, there are tons walking around malls in bright white robes with their families. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Mocky: One encouraging thing you have in Qatar that you don't in Uruguay is evidence these people have money somewhere, hence buying S-400's from Russia

Mocky: i'm meeting 25 more people tomorrow at some meetup thing at a mall with gondola rides thru an interior canal

mircea_popescu: cool.

mircea_popescu: anyway, make it a point of conversation. prolly will help dredge for you.

Mocky: I talk to people about what I'm doing here and I'm not really all that good at talking to people and I only half know wtf i'm doing here. i mean in a way that I can explain to randos and have it make sense

mircea_popescu: and don't be ashamed/shy away from saying things like "i'm a representative of the most serene republic of bitcoin, we're looking to build etc".

a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 03:41 asciilifeform: ( pretty hard, imho, to even begin in language heathens might understand.. )

mircea_popescu: it's weird, yers. but in the circumstances as i understand them, weird is 500x times better than trite, "hello sir, i r guampatambatam from my country india"

mircea_popescu: Mocky what's the half you don't know ? ☟︎

Mocky: that's about how i feel honestly when walking up to people and talking to them about this stuff

mircea_popescu: "that" ?

mircea_popescu: um. but why ?

mircea_popescu: "i'm a guy who knows a lot of shit you orcs don't."

mircea_popescu: you literally came from the future, all those boyiush fantasies of "what if i landed in medieval blabla" are ~this.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 17:09 Mocky: I can find local males, there are tons walking around malls in bright white robes with their families.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864252 << i guess i misspoke. what i meant was, "find someone who really really was desperately trying to buy btc but never could before, because insulated in the qtar shitland" ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 17:05 mircea_popescu: Mocky another angle : find someone to sell btc to.

Mocky: hey, maybe if i actually was suave then could come up with how to explain the future to orcs, but i'll get more chances to try tomorrow in any case

mircea_popescu: lol dun take it so hard. i dunno you're doing anything wrong, what.

BingoBoingo: <Mocky> that's about how i feel honestly when walking up to people and talking to them about this stuff << "I am refugee from the US here to Make Great, Great Again"

Mocky: it's weird because they way they look up to americans and western companies / universities, while also infidel

Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864270 >> I don't have everything sorted in my mind. I don't know yet what they need or perceive that they need. or how to position myself with respect to the microsoft/cisco/cornell they have respect so much. ☝︎

Mocky: "they have respect so much" damn, only 10 days and I'm already doing english like the indians/philipinos/nigerians/ethiopians/tanzanians/wakandans etc.

Mocky: it's hard to understand people here, randomly selected thick accent each time. it's a relief to run into brit or irish

mircea_popescu: jesus. don't do that.

mircea_popescu: in any case -- our objerction to the microshit/cisco/cornell pile is that they're NOT NEARLY WHITE ENOUGH, for our tastes.

mircea_popescu: so communicate that, how hard can it be. "oh, cisco, so last century. white man has made even more cornell-ian cornell nao."

mircea_popescu: on top of it being the exact situation in the field, it's also something easy enough to digest for orc mind.

asciilifeform: in moar minor noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863610 is a++ display but pretty sad box, i forgot just how rubbishy these were, cramped kbd with coarse molded plastic feels like sumthing straight from toy store, touch pad thing is the size of 2 postage stamps, arm rest creaks... ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 20:16 asciilifeform: this will be a cuntoo box, when i get around to redisking it

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : it's pretty much exactly like those things sold in the sunday market in BingoBoingostan

BingoBoingo: Except now it has a sweet screen and the ones in the market have mega sad screens

asciilifeform: the 'qi' crystal has '90s-style viewing angle, too. coupla degrees left or right and it's ~half visible. i suppose for some applications this, too, is win

asciilifeform: it's moar or less ideal box for expeditions into deep orcistan. but to work on it all day would be pretty painful.

BingoBoingo: Dell made a 10" Latitude 'business netbook' which appears to be common in the online listings here (Marketing point was it is the robust netbook). I wonder if it will eat the Qi.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: best as i can tell, nuffin but samsung n30, n150, lenovo s10-2 (but not s10-3, i opened one and no dice, cabling too short) will eat the thing.

asciilifeform: i'd buy a troo b&w crystal in a heartbeat, but nobody afaik ever made'em in usable ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859393 ) or near, res, or in such a way that'd electrically fit any available box ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 14:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859362 << 16 (plain, no bolds) x 80 == 1280 min. horiz. pixels needed for this.

billymg: trinque: update on progress: after several nights of heavy drinking i managed to also catch a cold. working on mp-wp setup this afternoon (at reduced capacity) and was able to press and get it to http://161.0.121.194

billymg: which allows for emerging without upgrading portage to the gpg2 requiring version

BingoBoingo: I get a tonsilitis, billymg gets a cold... Under the two times coincidence rule if one more person gets sick this week, gotta call it biowarfare

Mocky: my tonsils have felt swolen for past 4 hours but im not saying it out loud so it wont be real

BingoBoingo: The Peruana has the sore throat deal about a month ago, but she sought medical attention as soon as she registered a fever, because nurse has to get that work note to show the hospital

Mocky: and i mean it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm, back in states it's 9-5 strictly, but man pushing up on 1am and they still working and not seeing signals of competence...

BingoBoingo: Mocky: It could also be that you hit the 2 week mark and the local viruses caught up to your presence

BingoBoingo: And now that Uruguay passed tranny reparations, they can turn to the real scourge: "Gobierno quiere prohibir que se cruce la calle mirando el celular"

Mocky: my AC compressor on the roof had a problem. now these clowns didn't fix it but did manage to break the indoor fan and circuit board as well. and i gotta get up in 6 hours for this meet and greet. gonna be a sweaty night

mircea_popescu: <billymg> trinque: update on progress: after several nights of heavy drinking i managed to also catch a cold. <<< bwahahah ok this was pretty lulzy.

mircea_popescu: "it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm ; it's sad that they're not particularily qualified to fix anytrhing, or even be indoors, really..."

mircea_popescu: you know, if they just uber'd ows over to your house, the us could also do 11pm

asciilifeform: srsly! d00d showed up to fix leaking condensate drain, took 3 (!) trips to... not fix anyffing, ceiling drip, drip

asciilifeform: finally vendor sends an actual tech, who fixes and takes pics, then reveals 'oh him? he was a fraud'

BingoBoingo to celebrate first visual tonsil regression with early beachwalk (They put the lifeguard huts up this week). Brb, voy a ver mis olas.